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Speak Out 7/26/08

Saturday, July 26, 2008

Poetic philosophy

What's the big deal when all is said and done?

Throw away your old self. Let's all be one.

And in time we'll see the vast majority

Are still dominated by an inbred minority.

You've heard the world's flat, now round, all that jive.

It's really a Borg Ashlar cube, and you're in the hive.

Autism overdiagnosed

MICHAEL SAVAGE was taken out of context. For those who are affected by autism, you have my sympathy and prayers. He was not challenging the validity of autism, but rather the way it is diagnosed and treated. There are no biometric markers for autism, no confirmation by blood test or DNA test. Brain scans are marginal. If a child has a tic today, he is considered autistic. The screening methods as well as the treatment programs are all unproven medically. Autism is real but, in my opinion, completely overdiagnosed.

Considerate driving

I HOPE people will read this and understand where the rest of us are coming from. I work in Cape Girardeau but live in Jackson. I travel Jackson Boulevard every day. It is so irritating, at any time of the day, to be behind someone who doesn't do the posted speed limit and rides right along the car in the next lane so nobody can get around. Please be courteous to others and use the right lane to drive under the speed limit. At least move over when you can so others can pass. Traffic in Jackson is getting bad. Please don't make it any worse by being inconsiderate.

Thanks for lunch

MY HUSBAND and I recently had lunch at a local steakhouse with our 4-week-old daughter. When we went to pay for our lunch, the man at the register congratulated us on our newest addition and told us he would buy our lunch. Thank you so much for your kindness.

Crime scene

IF JACKSON really wants to improve the developing East Main Street section of the city, it needs to do something about the crime at the apartments on the corner of Shawnee Avenue and East Main. It is an aggravation for people using the new bypass to see the police parked there dealing with crime any given day of the week.

Balancing act

THAT GOV. Matt Blunt balanced Missouri's budget on the backs of those lacking health insurance because of poverty is the biggest disgrace in the state's political history.

Lower the limit

REGARDLESS OF the views of the voters, we must again, in order to conserve gasoline, reduce the highway speed limit to 55 mph.

Violent times

EVERYBODY WANTS to think that we are living in the most violent period in human history. But that is simply not true. There have been far worst times in our history such the Dark Ages. There were more wars between 1914 and 1945 than today. The only reason the world seems more violent today is that is how the media portray it.

Delta tax increase

RECENTLY WE received information about voting on a new Delta grade school. It states there will be a tax increase. But if you read the ballot information, it says nothing about a tax increase. It gives the impression that the district is only wanting permission to borrow money. There are a lot of voters who did not get the information about a tax increase. What a terrible time to ask this of people already stretched to the limit on living expenses. People are losing jobs. At this time I don't feel that I can vote yes.

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good morning everyone

Thanks for lunch : were was this ? i want to take my

new niece over to this place !

New York 7 , Cardinals 2

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 6:45 AM

"Regardless of the views of the voters..." Funny!

And wouldn't it be somewhat comforting to see a Jackson Police car dealing with crime in a particular area. Kinda funny too.

-- Posted by blogbudsman on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 7:33 AM

While I don't necessarily agree with the entire comment from Mike Savage or how it was presented, I do have to say that I agree that autism and ADHD are both overdiagnosed. I would say that some (not 99%) cases involve poor discipline and a lack of appropriate parenting. My child is diagnosed with autism, but I, my spouse, and even our former pediatrician don't believe that to be the case. My child is profoundly mentally retarded and that's the reaon my child doesn't give eye contact, doesn't speak, isn't toilet trained, has sensory processing problems, self-injures due to frustration, etc. I also worked in the field and saw many parents unsure of what was affecting their child so they read about autism and sought that diagnosis even after several professionals said it was not autism but maybe bi-polar disorder, etc. Autism is getting a lot of attention these days and funding for research and treatment is coming in specifically for autism so many parents want that label to get funding for treatment (in many cases the treatment for autism - ie. ABA therapy - is also a successful treatment for other disorders). Anyway, ADHD and autism are both overdiagnosed but I will acknowledge that autism is also a growing problem that cannot be ignored.

-- Posted by Bryan75 on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 8:20 AM

In a way I thought some of the cut's Gov Blunt made to the welfare system in our State was good when he first took office. The State Welfare system today is the most abused system in State Government. Welfare is designed for temporary assistance only but we have people that are physically able to work that will not work just to stay on Welfare and draw free benefits off of the backs of the tax payer. Example all of the out of wed lock pregnancies the young women are having today. When you see a 26 year old young man or woman that are a perfect picture of health tell you "I would rather draw welfare then work" people we have a major problem. The State needs to do a better job then what they have been doing in managing our welfare system. Millions of dollars a year is going out the door to people who can be good hard working and productive citizens if we can move them from welfare to work and the only way to do that is stop giving them benefits if they are able to work. Frankly, I'm tired of seeing some people sit on the porch each morning and watch all of us go to work every morning and then laugh at us for working. I'm all for helping people that need help but what I see a lot of times with the welfare system is the abuse and fraud is unbelievable. WELFARE TO WORK is the only way to go and become good solid productive citizens.

-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 9:15 AM

I did not read this Michael Savage commentary regarding autism. However I think it irresponsible for someone with a forum as such to comment without having the expertise to back it up.

If the so called increase in disorders such as autism or ADHD or bipolar d/o in children is a case of poor parenting then we would have a national epidemic of parenting problems. Are parenting techniques that grossly inadequate to 20 years ago, 30 years ago, or 40 years ago? Where did the parents of today learn their parenting techniques?

Autism is a spectrum of symptoms and not everyone with it behaves like Dustin Hoffman in "Rain Man". I would suggest that if it was merely a discipline problem most parents would not have an issue requiring professional intervention.

-- Posted by SWBG on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 9:27 AM


I believe welfare to work was started before Blunt. This comment deals with the Medicaid program which is health insurance. I have less of a problem with the numbers on Medicaid however there should be an increase in reimbursement for providers as it is grossly inadequate making finding adequate care difficult for those who have Medicaid. The result being people with Medicaid end up in the ER for a tooth ache because there is no dentist accepting Medicaid because the reimbursement is so low.

-- Posted by SWBG on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 9:32 AM


While I agree with your post for the most part, there are those that do go to work and try to make a decent life for themselves and their children but then when they ask for say medical help they are told they make to much money and if they quit their job that they can be helped. The system is meant to help those who need it and not be a way of life, however when a teen mom goes to work for minimum wage she is then told she makes to much money to get medicaid so she can either go without insurance or quit. The benefits need to be there first for those that are out there working and trying to improve their live and then worry about the ones that are to lazy to do anything but reproduce. Then you will have all the ones who say those on benefits have it rough. If it is so rough then why not make a change. I work, my husband works and there are times it is hard then go to the grocery store and buy just what we need forget the wants and see someone in front of you getting sodas, chips, cookies etc and pay with an EBT card. Nice to see our tax dollars being so well used.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 9:34 AM

Happy Saturday all.

I am here at work till noon and I don't draw welfare or medicaid.I wish I was at home or on a day trip with Mrs.Wolf.

Frankly ya'l if Adam and Eve would have obeyed the only rule God set forth to them,we would all be sitting on the porch and watching the garden grow!

Therfore,when I get into Heaven they will be the second and third people I want to have a word with!!!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 9:57 AM


But wouldn't it get awful boring if all we did was sit around on the porch all day?

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 10:03 AM


..not all disabled have visable disablities ..

for instance , i have a fusion pump implanted in my stomach that supplies my spine

thru a catheter...

...a person wouldn't know i'm disabled by looking at me cause they can't

see the pump or catheter in my spine ...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 10:08 AM

Re: Considerate driving

If you are in THAT big of a hurry, try leaving 5 minutes earlier! Driving that road every day you KNOW what it is like, so you have no excuse when it comes to being inconsiderate to those who wish to avoid speeding tickets by driving within the legal speed limit.

The speed limit, in case you are forgetting, is the MAXIMUM speed limit, NOT the "recommended" speed limit. If they are at or below it, they are driving LEGALLY. If you wish to exceed that speed limit, YOU are the one breaking the law. Considerate driving means following the rules of the road...including obeying the posted speed limits.

...or do you just expect everyone ELSE to be considerate to YOU?

-- Posted by dixietrucker on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 10:21 AM


Im not sure,I have never tried it.

But more than likely you are right.

I do indeed know it has to be tough

if you are dissabled and are forced to

stay home or be confined in some way.

Welfare ofcourse,is a different subject.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 10:28 AM


When I became a mom I decided to stay home and take care of the kids instead of working. My husband makes good money and totally supported me in that. As soon as my son started pre-k I found a job working during the hours he was gone. Work was easier than staying at home. When I became "disabled" the doctors and family wanted me to quit working all together, instead i left nursing and went with something I could handle better. granted I only work part-time but it is better than nothing. I can't imagine sitting around all the time I would go nuts.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 10:46 AM


Was not aware you were dissabled.I was wondering if

a person is drawing dissability for any reason are they allowed to work at all?

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 11:37 AM


should we consider SS welfare?

Seems as if a bunch of money is taken

out of my paycheck every 2 weeks for

SS.However,I can see where SS is more

than likely a form of welfare.Maybe you

can shed some light here.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 11:40 AM

Re: Lower the limit

(For those who read my comment in yesterday's SO, this is basically a re-hash, but suggest it is very important to understand that the knee-jerk reaction of a speed limit reduction may not actually result in a true overall savings).

Reducing the speed limits will achieve some amount of fuel conservation - but at what cost? Suggest that the real challenge is to determine what speed is the true overall lowest cost per mile - and further suggest that this targeted speed will vary with individual situations and the values placed on his/her resources. Suggest that the individual, and not the government, should be the one to make this decision.

One effect of mandated lower speeds will be that those who travel for a living will incur increased costs in other areas. For example, truckers paid on a per-mile basis will essentially experience a reduction in their hourly wage. Traveling sales reps will have a similar situation - either reduced work output for the same amount of time, or more hours required to put in the same amount of work. Perishable or other time-sensitive products will effectively have reduced shelf lives. At what point do the benefits of slower speeds offset the increased 'costs' in these other areas?

If conservation is the goal, why should someone who chooses to drive a vehicle consuming 3 or 4 or less gallons per 100 miles (25-33mpg) be restricted to the same speed limit as someone who chooses to drive a vehicle swilling down 6 or 8 or more gallons per 100 miles (12-16mpg)? Enforcement of such a variable-speed-limit program would be a nightmare, but still a point to consider in the spirit of fairness and 'sharing the pain'.

The goal should be to ensure that any solutions are not worse than the original problem. Again, IMO, speed limits should be set for safety reasons - blanket one-size-fits-all speed limits set for the purposes of conservation are just a bad idea.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 11:46 AM


Yes I have MS. However all though I am considered disbaled i do not draw SSI as I feel I am capable of working just not in the field i was trained.

Some who draw SSI can work but are limited on the hours they can work and it can not be in an area they worked prior to the disability. From the understanding I got it depends on the nature of the disablity. When my father was still alive he went on SSI about three months before he died due to terminal cancer, he drawed the check and the comapny he worked for still paid him a small salary to help out with the bills, because that amount was under the guidelines he could do it maybe that was differnt because he didn't go to work though and it was something the company did for him.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 11:53 AM

Guess considering you will never pay in what you actually draw then SS could be considered a form of wel-fare however after working 40-50 years personally I think those getting it are entittled to it.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 11:56 AM

Suggest that Social Security should be viewed as a variable-compensation, defined-benefit plan. :-)~ IIRC from social studies classes of long ago, it is technically an insurance plan, where variable 'premiums' are paid now to achieve variable benefits paid later.

Not a very good plan, either - read somewhere somewhile back that the average rate of return that an individual reaching the average life expectancy can expect is somewhere in the 2% per year range. Can understand the push to privatize, especially during the times when the stock market was achieving double-digit annual returns.

I view welfare as the 'something for nothing' plan, where people are essentially paid to stay poor.

Or simply - SS is an earned benefit, welfare is an unearned benefit.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 12:02 PM

Poetic philosophy

Dude, you should consider moving out from your parents basement.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 12:07 PM

Considerate driving

If you realize this, then leave for work 10-15 minutes early, Einstein.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 12:14 PM

New York 7 , Cardinals 2

Dammit, how many opportunities to catch the Cubs are they going to blow this season?

-- Posted by BoratObama on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 12:16 PM

Crime scene

It is an aggravation for people using the new bypass to see the police parked there dealing with crime any given day of the week.

As I stated earlier, if it's that much of an aggravation, common sense says.... TAKE A DIFFERENT ROAD, MR. DuMASS!

-- Posted by BoratObama on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 12:20 PM

Wow, I've got something for nearly everyone Speaking Out today......

Balancing act

Hey Mr. DuMass, health insurance is not a right.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 12:24 PM

Autism Overdiagnosed:

While I totally despise the idiot (whose name isn't even worthy of being mentioned) who made the comment, I will agree with one thing. Autism is sometimes misdiagnosed. It is hard to diagnose unless the "classic" symptoms are present, such as in my child. I have seen children that are diagnosed with it that I have questioned, but I quickly disregard those thoughts. Unless you have lived with autism, you truly don't have a clue. There is more funding becoming available for research, but I will disagree that there is funding to pay for the actual ABA therapy. It can bankrupt a family quick. Maybe we should all give moral support to these families instead of making an already bad thing worse by saying so many negative comments.

-- Posted by inallthingsgivethanks on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 12:25 PM


-- Posted by BoratObama on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 12:30 PM


I agree.With around 9 years before I turn 65

I intend to back away from full time employment.

Fortunately many years ago I realized SS would

not be sufficient for holding on to my standard

of living after retirement.Like so many others

I have been paying 10% of my annual income into

a company 401k.Needless to say I am down around

14% ytd but than I am still in it long term.

I am praying that this plus SS and other sources

of income I have will allow me to at least travel

and enjoy some sort of comfortable retirement sometime

in 2017.That being said,I also pray that I live that

long and that This nonsense about the the Mayan Calender and the world ending as we know it in 2012

won't come true!!!LOL

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 12:45 PM


the Mayan couldn't even predict their own downfall

to the Spanish ...i don't have much faith in their

predicting the end of the world ...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 12:49 PM

I'm sure this is a profoundly dumb question but can one opt out of receiving SS checks indefinitely?

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 1:45 PM


I don't think you're going to be able to draw SS until you're 66.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 1:51 PM


Good Question

Don't you have to go and sign up to recieve the ss benefits? If so I guess as long as you don't do that then you wouldn't get them. I remember my mother had to go to the Social security office about 2 months before she turned 62 but not what she did when she got there.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 2:09 PM

If you're dumb enough to decide never to apply for Soc Sec benefits, there is no age at which you must apply even if you live to be 125.

-- Posted by changedname on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 2:16 PM

I just checked the Sec Sec regulations, and you're not forced to apply for Soc Sec benefits.

-- Posted by changedname on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 2:18 PM

McCain, draws $1700.00 plus and has been since he was 62 years old.

-- Posted by changedname on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 2:19 PM

Hmmmm...now I wonder if you can opt out of Medicare, also. I know that if one has private insurance when turning 65, the company flips to Medicare as the primary carrier and themselves the second, automatically.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 2:27 PM


ur proberly right ...i get the two of them

mixfused all of the time...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 2:40 PM

Hilleco is talking about Galveston, Texas. Their municipal employees opted out of the Social Security system and instead invested their withholdings. When they reached retirement age, their income from the investments were not only more than Social Security was paying - it was more than they made when they were working.

-- Posted by bobby62914 on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 3:06 PM


Correct on the inflation tax and what happened in the 70's. Some of that stuff is eerily familiar today.

Re: Social Security

SSI is Supplemental Security Income. It is paid out to disabled individuals who have not paid in enough to receive full disability benefits. Think of people with mental retardation who were never truly capable of working for a meaningful wage.

Social Security Disability is based on how much an individual has paid into the Social Security system. If declared disabled an individual may work but not earn over $700/mo and still be entitled to their full disability benefits.

-- Posted by SWBG on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 3:15 PM

bobby Cairo

That deal in Galveston is like the teachers. Public school teachers do not participate in Social Security. At retirement they receive their retirement pay for life and should they die their spouse receives it for their life as well.

-- Posted by SWBG on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 3:19 PM

I never said you could opt put of paying,,,, just opt out of receiving.

-- Posted by changedname on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 3:29 PM


I'm talking about Part A of Medicare. If one turns 65 and wants to keep their private insurance as their primary carrier, they are not allowed to do so. The insurance carrier then makes themselves the secondary carrier. So, I am wondering if folks can opt out of Medicare and still purchase private insurance as their primary carrier. That is my question.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 3:33 PM

I am somewhat familiar with the Teacher Retirement System. I don't know if that is what they use in Missouri, but it is not at all what I understand happened in Galveston.

Of course, I could be incorrect, but I understood the retirement plan used in Galveston was tied to the performance of investments.

-- Posted by bobby62914 on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 3:42 PM

The only reason I can see that a person would opt out of receiving SS Benefits that they were entitled to is to help the solvency of the system.

If enough of the Kennedys, Gates, Limbaughs, Drurys, Pelosis, etc, did this - it might help a little bit...

-- Posted by bobby62914 on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 3:47 PM


I believe that if you receive Social Security Medicare comes along with it. If you have other private insurance it does indeed become secondary. It should pickup where Medicare does not pay. I believe Medicare Part A is for hospitalization only so having a secondary insurance would be wise. You may chose not to participate in Part B or D as these are supplementary insurances and cost. By not having Medicare A an individual would not receiving any extra money on their social security benefits.

-- Posted by SWBG on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 3:49 PM


I'm not really interested as why but if one could if one chose to opt out of Medicare.

We have a lot of rich folks (not me) who could afford to do that. LOL

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 3:59 PM

Rush Limbaugh has said that he carries no health insurance policy as he can well afford to pay his own costs and does. Just a side note to this discusssion. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 4:30 PM

If Obama becomes president, he will be taking lots of naps. LOL


-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 4:36 PM

Violent times

Just wait. It will come soon. I hear the Four Horsemen saddling up. B Hussain is wearing his American Flag pin again.

I didn't know he was running for the European Onion Presidency.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 4:42 PM

Rush also had a very expensive ear translant for his profound deafness...and paid for it himself. You are essentially calling him a liar because (I think) you cannot realize that the astoundingly rich do not need insurance or government benefits.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 4:45 PM


Oh, you know me. What's a world worth if you can't add a little NON-PC humor? A lot boring, safe, padded, child proff world where no one SHOULD be bumped or bruised. BOOOORRRRING!

Mission next week. It's just Guard. Not the real fun stuff. Just the teasers to annoy and prep for the fun fun.

Why has most everyone changed their names on weekly basis? I don't frequent the site to keep up with all these different names and they're the same people.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 5:08 PM

Just putting it out there...I think that if your on welfare you should not be allowed the right to vote.


-- Posted by fajar154 on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 5:18 PM

First---If you are on a private health insurance plan PRIOR to turning 65...you actually have to CANCEL the plan and apply for a supplement if you want that. Otherwise, your full policy remains in force. If you have Medicare, coordination of benefits would make that individual full policy secondary...this does not happen if you don't have Medicare...your individual policy would remain primary.

That being said..you CAN opt out of Medicare (I do not know the ins and outs of doing so) and you CAN keep your full policy or get a full policy after 65. I have dealt with many customers in that situation while working in insurance. It can be done..

I will say...most customers don't opt out of Medicare. They choose Medicare and a supplement because it is significantly cheaper than an individual policy. Also..you can get a variety of supplements...including some that only supplement part A.

-- Posted by Super_Bethie on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 6:33 PM


Yes I do like to stir, but with 350 Mercury. Mental and physical cases, should be covered under a case by case basis for welfare. Even though that is another argument for later.

But if you get FREE STUFF from the GOV, you should be allowed to vote FOR MORE FREE STUFF. Especially when you don't pay for it.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 6:38 PM


How about we put a grade on the system of voting. The more you pay in taxes the more your vote is worth. Those poor bastages don't need no stinking representation!

(Actually that may just equal things out as the liberal Hoolywood elite would cancel out a lot of the cigar smoking elite...BTW if you come across a good Cuban Cigar in your travels keep me in mind).

-- Posted by SWBG on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 7:12 PM


Well, since well over fifty percent of citizens in the USA are working for or receiving benefits from government in checks, perhaps the time has come for fajar's idea to be taken seriously.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 7:41 PM


No such thing as a good Cuban Cig. It has been a fallacy. Dominican even Stateside fatties are just as good. It's the whole blockade adding to the demand.

I like that idea. Each tax bracket count as a half or quarter of a vote. Seems that it would be confusinf, but would rule out those who strive for Socialism. Everyone would want to pull for Mo Money, Mo Money! Wait, don't people like that now?

-- Posted by fajar154 on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 8:42 PM


Then we get closer to an oligarchy and have only the rich making decisions. That is a fine idea. Slippery slope. Once those who don't pay taxes are excluded (remember those on social security don't pay taxes) then it will be those who do not pay enough and so on. Fajar was joking and having fun...I think.


Best cigar I have ever had came from Cuba via Canada. It beat any Dominican hands down. All I know is what I taste.

-- Posted by SWBG on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 9:34 PM


Before we get into a brawl about the seeds and which handles mold better and by which base of which low humid area is better for drying out the leaves, I ask you to try two types of cigars and you will agree with moi about the Cuban farce.

Criollo from Nicaragua (I know I spelled that one wrong) which is a hybrid from the seeds of a Cuban, but grown in the land of the Sandinestas (butchered that spelling too).

La Flora Dominicana...enough said. It's good. Smooth and lasts a perfect amount of time.

The Cubans I've had seemed overly earthy. Too much of the robust flavor. Too much of a good thing, yah know? But the shorties (can't remember the name) were fantastic.

Thus ends my cigar chat. Gimme a good Macanudo and all is good.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 10:08 PM

Wow, had I known I was going to be screwed into paying for it anyway, I would have taken out a home loan I couldn't afford. Ain't America great. Thanks Congress.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 10:16 PM


I was partially joking. The half or quarter vote...rubbish, but to what end can we keep from candidiots promising to spend OUR money on those who don't contribute to society?

If they are physically and mentally fit, I believe that welfare recipients should have to do highway and city cleaning. It's not slavery, so don't try that one, because they are getting a check (if that's what you call it).

I think it would provide more of an incentive for those to try and attain something better. Embarassment is a good motivator.

Why do you think they gave Food Stampers a credit card? Lessen the attention at the checkout line while they eat better than I do AND I'm paying for it!

-- Posted by fajar154 on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 10:16 PM


Wow, had I known I was going to be forced to pay for someone elses' lack of responsibility, I would have taken out a home loan I couldn't afford, too. Ain't America great. Thanks Congress.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 10:20 PM

Perhaps this is a bit of a leap, OK, a really big leap - but don't congressmen already vote in the amounts of their own raises and benefits?

If so, then why should the common people be denied this privilege?

I cast my vote for a brand-new government-provided Cadillac to replace my 20-year-old Poor-Ogre-Naturally-Thinks-It's-A-Cadillac. Don't care where the pie is coming from, just know that, as an American, I'm entitled to a bigger piece! :-)~

Heyyyyy - perhaps a basic economics and general citizenship test might be good criteria with which to weight voting?

Ok, Ok - back to reality, for now.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 10:25 PM


**** straight. First phase of receiving food stamps, welfare, etc. should be a getting a physical. If you are physically able, you work for your check. It would be like a permanent WPA (Work Projects Authority) established by FDR. You basically earn your keep by working for your community.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 10:31 PM

heheheh - I like that thinking of 'earning one's keep', or 'there is no free ride here'.

Even if they do nothing more than lean on a shovel for 40 hours per week - still getting more out of them than at present - as long as they don't up-and-steal the shovel.

Perhaps in this day of computers, phones, and GPS technology - those that qualify for medical unfitness would still have to dial up a number and give responses to a computerized dialogue for 8 hours per day at a location identified by GPS to be their residence.

Example -

1) Are you in your place of residence - press (1) for yes, (2) for no, or say 'yes' or 'no'

2) Is it currently raining - press (1) for yes, (2) for no, or say 'yes' or 'no'

3) Do the think the Cubs have a chance to win the World Series - press (1) for yes, (2) for no, or say 'yes' or 'no'

---- and so on, requiring 8 hours of connectivity per day.

Ah, there I go dreaming again.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 10:51 PM


I cannot argue cigars with you just know what I have had.

Now I know there are those that abuse the welfare system and if anyone can come up with a better check and balance system let me know. However the only ones I know on welfare are mothers with children. Men are not on welfare. Now should we take welfare away from mothers with children? What about those children? Should we take them away from their mothers? Where would they go? If the answers were simple I think they would have already been enacted. It is easy to complain but not easy to come up with answers. And if you think ending welfare would be an answer you have not thought about possible consequences.

-- Posted by SWBG on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 10:53 PM

SWBG, no you don't take welfare away from mothers and children, but, unlike the past, you should NOT be able to profit by plopping out one baby after another. On top of that, to get welfare, Mama should have to register who the baby's daddy.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 11:12 PM


LOL...I was just trying to bring home the point that over fifty percent of citizens of the USA receive a check from the government.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Jul 26, 2008, at 11:30 PM

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