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Sunday, July 20, 2008

What was that?

SOME OF you might think columnist Mike Jensen has lost it for being preoccupied with what he calls the "stigma" of the $500 gambling loss limit in Missouri at a time when our economy is in free fall. However, there has always been a method to Jensen's seeming madness. It is not his fault that at this time I cannot figure out what it is.

Learned Limbaugh

HOW CAN anyone possibly conclude that Rush Limbaugh does not deserve to be called a pundit, which is defined as a learned person? Millions of people have attended (via radio) and no doubt received degrees at his School for Advanced Conservative Studies, and Rush has a Ph.D. in democracy.

Carts with good wheels

I HAVE no complaints about store remodels or upgrades, but if you really want to impress your customers, get new carts. And, no, used carts from another store don't qualify. I just sorted through several carts to find one with good wheels.

Tobacco and tuition

I'M HAPPY Southeast Missouri State University's campus is smoke-free. What a great day this is. I hope Southeast has another group of ticket writers to get all those who think they can walk around in open air and light up. Make it $75 per violation and help lower my tuition.

Take back America

IT ISN'T enough that the foreign companies are buying up so many of our companies, Anheuser-Busch being the latest. Today I read in the Southeast Missourian where Hawaii wants to ship all its trash and garbage to this country. What an insult. When is the United States going to wake up and put a stop to these practices? It's time to take back America from the foreigners.

Gordonville gangs

THE MAIN reason the mayor has the late night and weekend patrol here in Gordonville is to protect us from the two notorious gangs that roam Gordonville at night. They are members of the Whitetail Bandits who steal from your gardens and the Coyote Crusaders who murder innocent rabbits. It is no wonder why there is very little activity in town after dark.

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ROTFLMFAO!!!!! I guess "Take back America" doesn't realize that HAWAII is one of the 50 States....just like Illinois or Missouri. HAWAII is NOT a foreign country.

Sometimes it is better to remain silent and be thought of as a fool than it is to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

-- Posted by dixietrucker on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 4:05 AM

Take America back. Nice try, but I'm not biting on the Hawaii commit, It looks to be an obvious attempt to rile people up just to get a kick out the reactions.

-- Posted by Solelicious on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 7:14 AM

In regards to the Hawaii comment I thought the same thing Dixietrucker. One of my co workers is always calling New Mexico a country. He does not believe it is a state. Some never cease to amaze me. LOL

-- Posted by mightymo on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 8:34 AM

May be that some don't consider Hawaii a state since they can't drive to get to it. LOL That was a pretty good one. LOL


Morning everyone

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 8:36 AM

I vote we keep Hawaii and give California back to Mexico. THEN send Hawaii's trash to EL California. Good Morning from Texas, Aggie. Morning Twig

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 8:40 AM

Bringing garbage from Hawaii,, its gonna be a long drive for the garbage trucks across the Pacific. Wouldnt want that haul.

-- Posted by changedname on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 8:41 AM

Dex, you have to be inventive, take the axle off then stick a propeller at the end off the transmission. Works for me?? Aggie

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 8:46 AM

What would you like for Hawaii to do with its garbage? Throw it in the ocean? Incinerate it? Hawaii is a bunch of islands. It is only going to have so much room for landfills. I guess they could dump it in one of those volcanoes. That would rile up some environmentalists looking to protect the rights of volcanoes.

-- Posted by SWBG on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 8:47 AM


Will agree to your proposal about California, but only if we throw in Texas. Fair is fair, it was once concidered Mexico as well.

-- Posted by Pups on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 8:49 AM

Throw the enviro-mental's in the volcano too!!!

I see you Pups,"me no savy espanol" well maybe a little. Aggie

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 8:51 AM

I hope all can forgive my outbursts to Babe yesterday, but leave the personal life OFF this forum. Nickey needs to learn to keep it off here too. I have no idea how Babe is getting her intel. I know a few of you on here and you will never see me bring PERSONAL crap up.


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 8:56 AM

Mike Jensen- Don't follow his writings so don't know.

Learned Limbaugh- Dead horse, he's always been here, is here, and am guessing he will always be here.

Carts w/Wheels- Good idea, but do realize, new cart=higher prices.

Tobacco Tuition- Check with SeMissouri Hospital and see if it's lowered it's costs. Ummm actually since going 'smoke-free' they have raised the cost to you and me 3 times. Just food for thought.

Take back America- this as got to be an attempt at humor or proof that our educational system is severly damaged.

Gordonville Gangs- Gangs?? Really? In Gordonville? I'm thinking would have been willing to grow up with those gangs compaired to the one's I did in Southern California. Wanna trade???

-- Posted by Pups on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:02 AM

Pups:Are you ignoring me?

Hey you!!!! Aggie

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:06 AM

At least the Belgian's bying Anhiesher bush have promised to keep all the plants here i n the states open and the workers employed instead of laying them off and moving the factory's overseas like a lot of the american owned factorys are doing.

-- Posted by newman90 on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:06 AM


You know me. Just wanting things to be fair (Ca. and Tx that is). I know, life's not fair. lol

I've lived in California and Texas so not a fan of one over the other btw.

-- Posted by Pups on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:07 AM

OOPS, just dawned on me. Pups your from Cali, man I forgot. Seriously, I did. Sorry. Aggie

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:08 AM

Are they really going to keep the places open and here in the states? I hope so, I'd really hate to see more people loose their jobs.


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:09 AM

Los perritos, lo siento. Aggie

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:10 AM


It's ok. I'm a Missourian now. lol And I know better then to ignore someone that can kick my ***. LMAO

-- Posted by Pups on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:11 AM

Pups, no way my friend. Wouldn't worry about that. I would never want to know between you and I. We will leave it at that. Your a good friend.

Oh btw, the Adams book is great. I'm a little slow because of the long hours and now I cant really hold the book very well.


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:14 AM


It's all good. Hey I put your spanish post through the translator I have and it came back with something a bit odd.

Los perritos, lo siento = The little dogs, I sit(feel) it

Doesn't sound like something you would say. LOL

Now that the 'Adams' miniseries got 23 or 26 emmy nods I'm really looking forward to reading the book. What can I say? I'm a child of the tv generation. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:23 AM

Pups, not to say there are a few on here that I would like to see but have a feeling they aren't nothing but PC Rambo's. Too chicken Sh*t to come out from behind their monitor. Aggie

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:26 AM

Really, I said Pups, Los perritos. I am sorry,lo siento. Aggie

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:29 AM


I am a memeber of PCdom but like with all things, it can be taken too far sometimes.

Have a great day everyone. Out for the day.

-- Posted by Pups on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:34 AM

Yea I see it did say that. Huh.Aggie.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:34 AM

Morning all


Glad it was nothing serious with the hand

I did not know Hawaii was not a state of the US, funny what you can learn in SO.........lol seriusly though I can see where they would be running out of landfills not much there you can only drive so far before running into water can't even drive from island to island.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:54 AM

morning semoangel

I hope your feeling better today.


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:56 AM


Getting there

Prudent driver

yes I do subscribe to the paper, it is delivered to my house every morning now as far as what I do all week well I actually have a job as well as taking care of the kids, the house, the husband, pets, errands etc but don't worry i will always find time to irritate those they think we have no right to post what we want on here.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:59 AM


why put urself thru hell and keep coming back ??

i'm mixfused and confuzzled .

since when is Hawaii a state ? ha! next thing

somebody will be starting a rumor about Alaska too...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 10:14 AM

good morning everyone

Cardinals 6 , San Diego 5

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 10:14 AM


Re: Yesterday's SO, Very impressed with your posts.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 10:42 AM

Morning Rick

Cardinals don't seem to be to doing to bad this year.


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 10:45 AM


sorry, I was going to ask you earlier also if you were feeling alright. I know you've been busy and I am packing things here and there, yuck hate that job.


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 10:56 AM


You have my sympathy I always hated having to pack and move but on the up side it always gave me time to get rid of a lot of stuff normally I wouldn't have.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 10:59 AM

Rick: How about we just go ahead and purchase Alaska. I have NO idea what is there, but maybe we could get a good return on our investment? Aggie

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:04 AM


that is the one good thing about moving getting rid of stuff I don't need or use somethings even forgot I had.

LOL anyway I'm just doing a little at a time, hard to work around things til I get them moved somewhere else to make room for more boxes. Also today am having problems with the grandkids, love them but they are pushing all the wrong buttons today.


Aggie's hand is still sore, but will be fine soon. Could have been worse, glad it wasn't since I'm not down there yet though.


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:07 AM

I have few plastic totes that I am using for longer term storing, but also cardboard boxes that are samller with handles and lids so that way I don't have to worry about them being quite as heavy. Oh well, I agree with you though moving has always been at the bottom of my list.


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:18 AM


Sorry didn't respond to you earlier this a.m. trying to clean up from the kids making breakfast!

I am feeling better, still some numbness but chances are it may stay this time around. I can fight with the kids, complain the hubby hasn't mowed the yard yet and still argue with advice from my mom so yep i am feeling better.


That is why anymore mom will only take one grandkid at a time. She says with dad there as well that is enough for her in her old age!

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:23 AM


If you need anymore boxes let me know and I will grab you some from work when our deliveries come in. We get them in all sizes.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:24 AM

period , or dot , or whomever u are

i gotta agree about the fliers on the windshields .

i wonder how many actually stay under the wiper

and don't blow away to lay on the side of the road .

gas prices ...lol , u thought they would go down ??

summer ain't over yet and i don't see anything

really changing until after the big election this

november ..just my humble opinion..

twiggy..the Cardinals are almost in first place

with little or no pitching--WOW!

aggie ..don't tell me ya believe the Alaska theory .

i still believe it was Stewart's Folly and nothing else..

semoangel..hope ur feeling betters today , it's

god awful hot outside ! stay coooollll ........

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:30 AM


Lol I have never been a very coordinated person I am one of those that can trip on air! Actually although I hate having the flares it has finally made hubby see he has to get the laundry room on the main level of the house which I have only been trying to get done for about three years now. Guess when he had to start doing the laundry he seen what I went through.

Now like you I don't let it get me down, it is a life I would not have chosen but it has made me see just what a person can do if they are determined enough.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:31 AM


Sure can use a few more boxes at the least, smaller to me is better than the big bulky ones. Easier to move them around.

By the way I do not consider myself old, LOL just that these kids are more hyper than mine were. I thought mine were bad at times.


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:31 AM


I am sure a lot of those fliers end up as liter on the side of the road. Amazing for the price people pay to have them all printed up they could take out an ad in the paper. Oh well.

Gas prices

I predict a drop around the end of October right BEFORE the election so they can both get up and say what they are doing for our economy. As soon as the election is over it will go right back up probably even higher.

The cardinals have been farther behind than this and came out on top, they have also been farther ahead and let their egos take over and end up loosing. Guess we will have to wait and see how it all plays out this year,

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:34 AM


I am off next week but when go back I will set out the smaller boxes and get them for you.

I know all about hyper my son is one of those kids that is literally bouncing off the walls if we do not have plenty for him to do. Like you Mom isn't use to it my brothers were always the type to be outside exploring as they put it, my sisters and i were the readers in the family. I think all the technology now has made it harder for kids to be kids and the grandparents are the ones suffering.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:38 AM

I hope the Cardnials continue doing good and don't get the ego trip as they have before. I haven't been to a game in a long, long time, but it's to hot for now anyway.


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:38 AM


that will work out fine for me, no big hurry still have plenty of time. Thanks.


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:41 AM


My parents always wondered why I could play sports as well as I did when i couldn't walk across the floor at home without tripping. I haven't broken any bones from falling but did walk into a door and had the entire side of my face black and blue! Good thing for my hubby he was out of town at the time or he would have been blamed for abuse.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:41 AM


I don't know what the logic is or if there even is any. I just go fill the car up and write it off as another one of the expenses in life. No good to complain or whine it won't change anything and if the prices keep going up then I might do like the guy in Ill and start saddeling up the horses instead.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:46 AM

Thanks I hadn't heard today, but the last I did hear it was around $146, but I also heard that it was suppose to be dropping.


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, 10:40 pm CDT

Twiggy a good source for me has been www.cnbc.com. It has all the latest on financials including oil prices. You will find this to be a useful tool. I have this as my home page at work and home. FYI Oil fell to below $129 a barrel Friday.

Also today when I received my PRINTED copy of the Missourian today there was an article on page 9A that the government was thinking about raising the tax on a gallon of gas by $.10 to help offset the deficit that they are being faced with. In the last paragraph of the article the Transportation Construction Coalition said that states will stand to lose about 1/3 of their road and bridge money starting Oct. 1. They claim that would put 485,000 more jobs at risk.

I am sure we will be seeing more of these types of articles in the coming months. Especially since so many government agencies did not plan in their budgets today's cost of fuels. Maybe the dreaded word "CUTS" will slip out of a government workers mouth. Nah doubt it.

-- Posted by gman on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:49 AM


As rick said it is definitly hot out there. Even when headed out to mass this morning it was already muggy so knowing how the heat works on you stay cool.

Doors, walls, furniture you name it I walk into it. My hubby keeps saying he is going to put rubber padding on all the walls.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:50 AM


I wonder just how much money could be saved in a years time and placed back into the budget if all government personel had to pay a percentage of their insurance cost, fuel cost etc. Oh and they all did not get a yearly raise on top of cost of living raises.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:53 AM

Thanks gman appreciate the info.


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:53 AM

They could never survive on what we average people do. They would most likely go in shock and convulsions.


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:56 AM

save gas ! don't buy Bic lighters !

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:57 AM


Love your thinking, if they where more accountable then maybe they would be more efficient with their resources.

With my company vehicle I make sure I am lowering my expenses as much as possible in order to help the company. Maybe government workers should be thinking the same thing.

Here is one that I am sure will stir the pot. Say someone works for the local, state, or federal government. Since they take OUT more from the system in the way of their check and benefits then they put back IN ie taxes. Do they really pay taxes?

-- Posted by gman on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 12:03 PM


You are probably right

I just look at say the insurance.......we pay $39 a week to have insurance on all 5 of us (company pays the rest) then everytime you go to the doc it is $30, we have a deductible of $1000 and pay either $10 or $25 for all meds. For surgeries, hospital visits etc we pay 15%. if all the politicians had to do the same that would be a heck of a chunck of change put back into the budget and they make more than most folks that are paying all this do.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 12:03 PM


Leg numbness seems to be an interesting "off-topic" for the day (& not because I happen to be a leg guy, regarding gals!), since the SO column is flushable today, as usual, and it has the potential of driving a couple of whiners nuts.

Anyway, perhaps I can offer a couple items of encouragement: 1). Is it not better to have a bit of numbness of the leg than, like motor-mouth Mathews, all that tingling down the leg whenever he sees the B.O.? 2). And would you not regard a little numbness of the leg as preferable to, say, numbness of the brain?! Oh, well, hope ya get better soon.

Hmmmm. Methinks, per my above post, that ye ole heart isn't fully firing on all ventricles, let alone engaging the mind with the right gear ratio...better grab another tankard of coffee!!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 12:04 PM


In one way they do.......it comes out of their check just as it does ours, however what they pay out in taxes they get back by no health cost etc so in the end i am sure they are getting more than they are paying out but i am willing to bet they get a nice refund at the end of the year on the taxes they "paid"

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 12:06 PM


As usual love your posts, you can always get a giggle even when in a rotten mood. Sorry though don't know about me'Lange but I think i do suffer numbness of the brain as well!

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 12:07 PM


I know what your saying, Ins is so outragous and if they had to pay, maybe that would take care of some of the Ins problems we have. Who knows? Our Ins sucks we pay over $85 a week for just the 2 of us and we have a $10,000 deductable, makes you wonder why bother having it. Anyway that is one of the reasons for our move among others, the benefits are suppose to be quite a bit better at Aggie's new job. I feel bad for everyone that has to pay so much for Ins, especailly if at times it doesn't seem to pay to have it. Just as sure as we would drop it though something bad would happen and we would be screwed so to speak.


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 12:13 PM


The health part of ours is great, of course could always be better but can't complain especially with all my meds. However our dental is lousy and we have no vision at all and all 5 of us wear either glasses or contacts. Last year even with insurance we paid out of pocket $10, 246.00, sure we got to claim it on taxes but that really makes no difference at all. thankfully we can do it but what about all of those that can't. kind of makes you wonder when someone can't even get the medicine they need because they can't afford the co pay and yet government officials get it all handed to them.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 12:20 PM

I agree with you, sometimes it really stinks.


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 12:23 PM


Yes, do you think they should work for nothing?

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 12:29 PM

Take Back America

Hawaii is a foreign country? Perhaps SE Missourian posted that to help keep things lightened up in here! ;-)

Hey, Aggie! Super idea about El California! Well, okay, Pups, you're right...fair is fair, so El Tejas also.

And Aggie...Okay, I do somewhat agree with your 7:56 a.m. comment--and admire it. I venture to add this (while ducking): It does seem many of us use this as a 'social club' as well as a debate forum on many subjects. Nothing really wrong with that, except...sometimes posting personal issues might generate the personal opinions of others--and then, depending upon whether those replying are sympathetic or negative...things tend to get unpleasant and, um, personal. Anyone who posts about their personal tribulations (myself included) might expect that someone on here could make a comment that won't be liked. Of course, just IMO. ~sigh~

A Little Aside: So far, though, all of us, including prudentdriver and hawker, have the right to post pretty much whatever we want to (within reason)--and we all have the right to read, comment, ignore. Isn't that a good thing, really? I'm trying to do better (as per my 4th of July Resolution) with the 'ignoring' part! Y'all may need to remind me now & then...

semoangel: Pops ALWAYS said that the laundry area should be on the house level where the bedrooms are...since that is where most laundry is generated. Anyone who lives in a two-story house with laundry facilities in the basement understand that! LOL Glad you're feeling some better--& admire your perspective on 'determination'!

No to all the questions on your recent survey, Herr. Well, as far as I know, anyway. Guess I've led a really boring life. ;-) Well, except for having to register at the police station, including being fingerprinted, when a new city ordinance (Springfield) was passed about certain employees in cocktail lounges having to be 'registered.'

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 12:29 PM


Government workers pay for health insurance just like everyone else.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 12:32 PM


Govenors..senators.....President last I heard it is furnished for them

Military it is furnished for them until they retire and then it is a co-pay type deal.

Not all Government employees fall into the category I was speaking off should have made it clearer. So those who DO NOT pay anything should.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 12:38 PM

RE: Gordonville gangs

Sheesh this is how rumors get started. Now everyone is going to start thinking there are gangs of thugs in Gordonville.

Put a dog out in your garden at night to keep those whitetail bandits from eating off your cabbage. Or stop dissin the Coyote Crusaders -- since they are taking care of the whitetail bandits anyway.

-- Posted by TommyStix on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 12:42 PM

Maybe the reason that "learned" Rush Limbaugh doesn't come back to Cape is that he realizes that most folks around these parts know that he flunked out of college at SEMO his first year there. Th' man's a dumb ***.

-- Posted by Raunchy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 12:49 PM


I probably agree with you in principal, but in government, non-elected, and some private entities, health care is considered as part of the "salary package". When I began my job many, many years ago my health care cost was very low as was my salary. I was told the low health care cost made up for my low salary. Over a short period of time my health care costs rose significantly to match those in most private companies, but my salary did not keep up. Of course this is not always the case as Missouri is last in the nation as to what it pays its state workers.

Not complaining as I chose my occupation and stayed with it, but the myth of high paying government jobs with excellent fringe benefits is often just that.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 12:51 PM


A friend of mine works for the federal government although she makes a good salary for this area she lives about an hour out of DC and for their it is a tad above average but their health care costs her a pretty penny as her portion. maybe it depends on whether it is state or federal and which state.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 12:54 PM

Plus I was refering to elected officials

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 12:55 PM


I don't care for Rush Limbaugh, but couldn't help but noticing he just signed a contract for something like four hundred million dollars, not bad for a dumb college dropout. I'm guessing you have done much, much better.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 12:56 PM


My wife works for the federal government as did one of my brothers. Their salaries are not bad, but as you said health care is no better than most private companies. Both could have made more in private industry, but job security is also a consideration. There are pros and cons to just about everything.

We all make choices we feel is best for us.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 1:05 PM


You are quite right. I am now retired, but must say that Missouri does a pretty good job, at least in my Department with the use of government vehicles with strict rules and accountability. Rental contracts have been negotiated to cut down on the use of private vehicles and controls are in place such as mileage logs for all vehicles used. Meals are not allowed on an expense account unless traveling overnight and a receipt is required. Meals are contracted by the state for some day long training sessions away from the office so you eat buffet style or a sandwich on range days. In all honesty, these had to be put into place in part because of abuse as well as better accountability and fiscal planning.

The downside to Missouri is the low salaries which has caused significant turn over and training costs.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 1:41 PM


How ya doin'...and should ask the same about G-Pops too? Gee...Maw, just because all your answers to my test were "no", that doesn't imply you've led a boring life; might better suggest that you managed to stay the heck out of trouble and still get away with a good quota of fun! That'd be a good thing, huh?!


Glad I could be of service; but suggest you do not request Dr. Herr to perform surgery after three tankards of coffee! Mind-bending is OK, though, as I can perform that even while pinging off the walls!!

Actually, I was angling for an excuse to "muscle in, or bone up" (valid & honorable language for leg talk, right?) with the leg issue, 'cause I'm trying to figure out what the heck happened to my right heel since that trip way back in May. Gotta try for a little honesty here, even though I already chopped down all my cherry trees just to torque off commie enviro-wackos. Ooops, gotta get back on my "off-topic" topic so as to avoid being accused of topical variations of SO topics...Pups, I'm gonna get you for causing this affliction!!!

OK, where was I. Ah, legs. I just got to pondering if it's possible to get arthritis in a heel part of the foot. Geeze, if I stay immoble (which may be considered recreational for me!) for just a little while, like even driving at the same speed for awhile, my right heel hurts so bad when I step down on it, I almost fall down. Well, as you can see, el cheapo here is just trying to bag a little free advice 'cause, surely, there must be some pseudo-doctor wannabes lurking about among the bog mob (or is it bogged down mob?!), so sock it to me, for free of course. Is it a bone thing, tendon thing, or whatever thing...maybe just a head thing?!

OK, wait. Don't give me any of that "it's senility setting in" garbage either!! I've not quite acheived the coveted condition of ancientness yet, and am studying real hard to graduate top of my class in Senility 101. After all, isn't senility somewhat like reverting back to childhood? If so, it sounds like a blast! That means I can snoop around, find some little "chile" happily playing with his toys (I like breaking toys!!), then snatching his toys and playing with 'em so rough I bust 'em all to smithereens...then watch him cry and call for mommy! What the hey, the little brat will break 'em anyway, right? I think I'm gonna get a hoot out of old age, if I survive long enough to acheive it!

What the heck am I rambling about? Oh! I know, and got an excuse. I think I'm indulging a little delirious behavior, which is fully authorized IAW the Training Manual for Future Ancients. The Mule dragged in from her place of toil after 2 a.m. and announced that her satanic demon overlords (that be management) decided she could have a whole Sunday off (whoopie dingle-berries!)...only after 13 days of 10/7 nonsense. Therefore, in honor of such an occasion, Mule decided that I'd have her permission (equates to a mandate) take her to a nice feedbag joint, and NO ROADKILL!!

So there. Does this post satisfiy the "off-topic" rule of the day? After all, I don't have a rocker to be off of!!!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 1:44 PM

re: tobacco and tuition

I think this comment proves that this issue has nothing to do with preceived health issues nor the smoker being inconsiderate. It does have to do with control, however. How dare anyone smoke a legal product in the open air?

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 1:54 PM


It is statewide and long standing. I once said something to my boss about the low pay and understanding guy that he was he said if I didn't like it to hit the door. This same message was delivered not long ago to managers by someone from Jefferson City. State employees have gone up to five years with no cost of living increases. Most retire as soon as possible and go to work elsewhere taking valuable experience with them. It is far worse in KC and St. Louis as individuals there pay and additional city income tax and the cost of living is quite a bit higher. Just commenting, not complaining because I liked my job and would do it all over again. I know there are others in much worse situations.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 1:56 PM

Now this is funny.....

They are members of the Whitetail Bandits who steal from your gardens and the Coyote Crusaders who murder innocent rabbits. It is no wonder why there is very little activity in town after dark.

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 2:04 PM

Herr, I'm doing fine...Pops is hanging in there. Upon reflection...I DID get away with 'a good quota of fun,' and in fact, still am!

Hesitate to suggest this to a tough bunny-hugger, but...have you considered seeing a doctor about your heel? LOL Not osteoarthritis...that's a joint disease. RA...well, maybe, as it affects a lot more than joints--but unless there's a nodule on the heel, that's probably not the diagnosis either. Bottom of the heel? A chipped or cracked bone maybe? Pain runs up the back of foot? Might be damaged ligament or tendon. Swollen around ankle? Don't remember hurting it in some way? That's all my doctoring advice, and that will be $75 for on-line medical advice.

So, what nice feedbag joint are you taking the Boss to...I might suggest you avoid giving her the choice between Arby's and McDonald's...?

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 2:12 PM

I wonder how the sale of A-B will affect our facility in this area?

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 2:12 PM


What facility are you talking of?

-- Posted by SWBG on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 2:19 PM


It is pretty sad when we are losing employees to higher paying jobs in Arkansas. I moved here for the same reasons as you. While I do not mean to diminish the value of higher education some do place a premium on it over experience and other attributes. My Department mandated a minimum of a Bachelors in specific fields, but some of the best Officers I knew were some who were hired before that mandate who either did not have a degree or the degree was in an unrelated field.

Out for a while, have a good day.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 2:20 PM


been busy for a while catching up on post, my mom had a bone spur also kind of sounds like the same thing. Might want to ask your doc about that, but agree with Melange.

Also haven't said it in a while, but your post really get me tickled at times.


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 2:27 PM


Rush does talk about Cape often with praise. I remember when his mother was dying he did two weeks of programs from KZIM. I have heard that he takes his brother and family on exotic vacations. Maybe he will return more often when we get our Water Park. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 2:27 PM

Herr ,

..almost sounds like Plantar Fasciitis to me ...

if it is , u will enjoy the steroid shot in the

foot !!...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 2:38 PM

G-Mom & Mel:

Thanks muchly for the med advice, ladies. Actually (while looking around for another cherry tree to chop down!), maybe another round of full disclosure and fake honesty is due here. I was really scrounging around for something to "whine" about, not just to be part of the mob, but also to offset the grumbling in my belly! You see, Oberleutnant Mule dragged in at such a "Gawd-awful: Thirty" hour this a.m., I'm still "coffeeboarding" her, trying to start her heart enough to snap that anticipated order (slurp)...you know, to get her up and ready to strap on the ole feedbag. And, no Maw, it ain't gonna be a Arby's or McD's...I value what's left of my tenured existence too much.

So, In recognition of Pops learned talent in appeasing the "real boss(ette)", G-Maw, could ya asked him if I should suggest a place-of-fine-dining (trough will do) like, say, Red Lobster, Outback, etc? It behooves me to consider my health & wellbeing, and not even dare insist she cooks at the barn on her one day off. But, gotta admit, I'm also scheming about offering a place I prefer too. With bachin' it by snarfing down too many sub sandwiches & hamburgers, I'm beginning to feel, or emote, like a "sub-burger"! Is that anything like a sub-human sandwich?!! Anyway, better get back to crankin' up Mule's heart...when she gets annoyed enough to kick me up side the head, then I know I've made progress, and we'll be chomping down soon!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 2:45 PM


What you need for your packing is called a "BagButton". It's a little gadget (about $15.00) that you attach to regular garbage bags (clear ones are great) after you have stuffed them and suck the air out with a vacuum to reduce size on soft things. Then you just tie them off and remove it for the next bag. They save much money and space, especially when transporting your stuff.

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 2:49 PM


thanks I just might have to ck that out.


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 2:53 PM

I used to listen to Limbaugh religiously before and during the reign of the Clinton's crime syndicate. I was one of the biggest defenders of Limbaugh in Austin TX, the only city in Texas that voted for Clinton twice. I defended Limbaugh after Clinton tried to blame him for instigating the O.K. City bombing by ahem...Timothy McVee. ( More on the white wash of the O.K. City conspiracy attack in later posts)

I drifted away from Limbaugh shortly after 9/11. He behaved like a true patriot the first couple of days when he tried to warn the traumatized people not to give up their liberty for "security." He was smart enough by reading history of all too similar events, to see the potential danger of using the attacks to take away freedom from the people. But soon after the anthrax attacks happened in D.C. and Florida he did an abrupt about face. (for those of you with show archives check out my claims. I am going from memory only) At that point, in my opinion, he sold his soul and betrayed all of us for 30 pieces of silver but to be fair, he probably did it to save his own life from anthrax attacks too.

Then he was off to the races putting a rubber stamp on anything Bush and Cheney wanted that would take away our freedom or had the potential to take away our freedom. Sure he disagreed about McCain-Feingold Act which Bush signed that restricts our freedom of speech and a few other things, but he never again sounded remotely like he did directly after 9/11. He has in effect become a bu*t-boy for Bush,and the New World Order.

I have zero respect for the self-made man whom I once admired greatly. He is nothing but a high priced $400 million hooker for the propaganda machine of the Bush-Cheney-Clinton-Rockefeller, and others, New World Order crime family. Not everyone puts a price on their soul, but Limbaugh obviously has in my learned opinion. For what shall it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul? Looks to me that Limbaugh was willing to make that wager.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 3:05 PM

It's not just congress who get a good deal on health insurance, it's ALL federal employees.

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 3:08 PM


Hi Twiggy...and Aggie if you're still hangin' in the bog here. Gets a little confusing keeping track of who/where each of you are, so glad you both usually sign off on each post. I was thinking of putting up a little map of the states, and putting push-pins in it to track your various locations!! Anyway, and like G-Maw asked (about remembering where/if I hurt the heel somehow), I did my usual climbing and stumbling around on rocky hills in Gettysburg last May; might've bruized something then. But I really thought it might have something to do with driving long hours with my foot stuck in one position...; howsumever, not thinking it'd go on this long. Even so, I figured you all might have a different idea about it, being (now ex)-truckers, donchaknow! Oh, and besides, I think Aggie has more to worry about regarding his hand, than I have wimping out about my hoof! Speakin' of Aggie.


If you're still out there lurking, I don't mean to cause any extended trouble (oh, heck, what am I saying...I probably do!), per a recent issue, but I've got a question about your knife/hand injury; geeze, I've got food on my mind anyways! So, OK, since we all know C-Babe may be regarded as, er, "cutting edge" with her comments at times, I was wondering what you may have been slicing up when you cut yourself while thinking of said Babe. Was it weenies, perhaps??!

Ok,ok. Pups, I gotta grab another one of your "J/K'ings" disclaimers to save myself. Thank my lucky planets Mule is starting to stir & snort now...maybe she can get me outta here and save me from myself! But seriously, Aggie, hope your hand gets better real soon...so you can back-hand those who desperately need it again!!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 3:17 PM


Wow! You really are a "**** stirrer".

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 3:31 PM


Don't ya ("have a need to") know that you have to submit a "chit", in triplicate, in order to utilize the "****" (my *'s) word in it's proper form?! Just having a little fun trying to distract from my belly-grumbling 'til Mule kicks me in the proper, er, "receptacle", so we can git-to-gittin', doncha("need-to")know!!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 3:47 PM


It's confusing to me to sometimes. Aggie is in Tx and I'm still in Mo and now we can actually be on the computer at the same time, however that is why I sign my name after comments. As for Aggie's hand I'll let him tell you that story don't want to spoil it for him. In a few weeks time though we will both be in Tx in our new location and am hoping that if all goes well will be back on here at SO without to much delay.

Now as far as driving goes even though we aren't in the truck anymore we had cruise control so didn't have a foot problem just a rear problem from sitting so long in one position. It really does kind of sound like you a might have a bone spur or even a bruised heel(not sure I spelt that correct), which can hurt for a while too. I have done that to my own foot a few times, but the bone spur have never dealt with, just know that it caused my mom lots of pain.

Anyway hope you and the Mrs. have a great day, and if you get to bored you can always come help me pack.


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 3:51 PM


Yeah, I hear ya about the foot thing...and Alpha thing too on long trips. My trouble was, I opted not to use cruise control much in all the mountain passes we drove in...and noticed that every time we stopped, the heel hurt really bad every time I hopped out; had to walk around and work it out each time for a bit. But, again, I didn't figure it'd still be annoying me this long.

As for the helping ya pack, gig, I wouldn't mind helping y'all do that, as long as I'm not having to do that moving thing again. I plan to stay right here where I'm planted until I end up...well, er, planted permanently! Besides, not much choice considering Mule's big herd grazing about these parts.

Hark & alas!! Speakin' of the snorter. Mule's alive enough to indicate (read, mandate!) that she's ready to go strap on that feedbag soon. That just may be good enough timing to evacuate the bunker before Babe can re-code and re-target her nukes to strike my coordinates! So I'm soon to be kinda-sorta-hopefully outta here...maybe!

Oh, Twiggs, my goofing off almost made me forget a real suggestion to share with you. Have you ever heard about "brain-mapping"? It looks messy on paper, but is really helpful when you've got a bunch of attention-to-detail stuff to try to get organized, like moving, etc. If you're still around when I get back from the "big feed", remind me, and I'll try to info you about it...it's really kinda neat. OK?

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 4:17 PM

I use to listen to Rush Limbaugh but not any more and I listen to Hannity but not any more. These two guys as years went by began to get some what radical with their views, and they wanted every body to think the way they did or else. They both started out well but they have changed for the worse. They both talk about quite a bit of hate all the time and people can not get a word in edge wise when they are attempting to talk to one of them. Maybe, this is all show and they really don't feel this way I don't know but both of them are really far, far out in right field.

-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 4:18 PM


I'll be here, don't really plan on going any where at the moment. Have a good time, I'll catch ya later.


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 4:44 PM

swampeast & Info: Have to (somewhat reluctantly) agree with you about Limbaugh & Hannity (& O'Reilly). For the most part, enjoyed them both until their egos expanded so much that they started losing any sense of respect for their guests and/or anyone who might disagree with or question them. Guess that's what success does to some people.

Anyway, I don't especially like listen to just "one side of the story," or to those who can't accept that there could possibly be more than one side to an issue. Kind of aggravating to have to "channel surf" in order to try and get an entire, unbiased picture by putting together facts from opposing views. Sometimes, it doesn't seem like "the news" is news anymore, being so often slanted--on both sides of the political realm. Just give me the darned facts & let me decide what to think of them?

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 4:44 PM

Hi, Twiggy!

Maybe we should arrange to have a Twiggy Packing Day for the group at your house soon! LOL Every time we moved in the last 25 years, I longed for the Good Old Days when everything we owned, plus the kids, would fit in the car! Now, it seems like every year my daughter in IL moves, and guess who is expected to go help pack, lug, unpack? ;-) I'd be happy to help you, if you need it. Often packing helpers are more in the way though than a help...at least in my experience.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 4:54 PM

Thanks Mom,

I appreciate the offer and even if no packing got done and just a day of visiting would be nice. I have been doing a little here and there and trying to leave the stuff that I know I won't need right away with my sister or brother. Nickey and I plan on lunch though this Friday and I really hope you can be there as I would very much like to meet you. I hated missing last Friday, but my friend and old boss needed my help and she has always been so good to me and my family that I hate to ever tell her no to anything. Anyway I do hope to meet you for sure before I have to leave and when I come for visits I hope to see all my friends. As I have told Aggie Mo will always be my home, but I am hoping that this job works out the way he's hoping it will, even better. However I will visit often.


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 5:00 PM

Twiggy, check your e-mail. Aggie

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 5:03 PM

Yes, Rush has a Ph. D. in Piled higher and Deeper.

-- Posted by iago1 on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 5:46 PM

Twiggy, I'm going to try my best to come Friday--although I usually try to limit my trips to Cape to once a month. I didn't finish all the shopping I needed to do last trip though (2nd-hand book store, etc., always get put at bottom of list), so this will work out fine.

As for helping your friend instead of going to the last lunch--That's what friends are for, and when they need help, they should take priority!

Hope you are taking some time to just relax now and then...sometimes you have remember to take care of yourself, you know, in order to keep going.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 5:51 PM


Lord love a duck...I had written a long post to you on this subject...and lost it before I could send. Here goes again.....

News is news and commentary is commentary. In the 'old' days our news was limited to radio or the three abc networks 'newscasters'. Most of that was slanted to the views of Walter Cronkite or Dan Rather, for instance. That is slowing changing because of our increased access to find the facts ourselves. It was an internet blogger's attention to the font used on Rather's 'fake' letter that ultimately lead to his firing. I like Fox News because they are fair and balanced in their 'news'. Most US newspapers just use cut and paste from the AP or Rueters so I find more information from foreign newspapers.

Rush Limbaugh is much like our bloviating Herr. Rush has always said he is nothing more than a conservative, wanting to influence his audience, while making a lot of money for doing so. Like Herr, he uses satire in a cutting edge to make his point.

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 5:52 PM


I truly hope it works out to see you this Friday, and I am trying to take a few minutes here and there for myself, but it's very hard to do. I want to spend as much time with my family as possible,(without it being all negative) which isn't working out exactly as I planned. Mostly I am trying to be positive and take one day at a time.


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 6:15 PM


On our Sunday drive we went through downtown Gordonville. The Carnage from last night's Coyote Crusaders and Whitetail bandits was unbelievable. Had to tell the wife to make sure the kids eyes were covered. Sure don't want them to have bad dreams tonight. :)

With regards to Rush, Hannity and the gang. Based on the fact that there is no love between them and McCain and sure is none with Obama. Also the fact that McCain was a supporter of limiting free speech with the McCain Fiengold bill. McCain should he be elected by a miracle would owe this group NOTHING. My question I will pose out there is this. How many days after elected would Obama or McCain help in bringing back the Fairness Doctrine? I would vote 1 day which ever one gets in office.

-- Posted by gman on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 6:19 PM

Fox news is about as 'fair and balanced' as Rush. Give me a break.

-- Posted by changedname on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 6:28 PM


I don't post on or read any other forums or any of that other stuff, so I am not familiar with them. I am also relatively new to the SO, maybe a year so I don't really know what it use to be or "should be". Having said that I don't know why friendly communication and serious debate should be mutually exclusive. Why can't you have both on a forum? I have never met anyone on this forum though I knew Donnie from our professional relationship and never identified myself to him. I do like debate, but nothing too serious as I had enough of that when I was working. Nothing wrong with it, I am just tired of research and serious conflict and derive no real pleasure out of proving my point or proving someone "wrong".

While I don't know anyone here and don't go to lunches, I don't mind the "chit chat" on here. I think it is often used not just to "stay connected, but to soothe ruffled feathers from the more serious exchanges.

I doubt that I would enjoy a SO that dealt only with "serious debate" only and only on those topics set out in the beginning. I guess I am just not a purist like you; no offense intended just an observation.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 7:55 PM


I'm going to have to agree with you. We probably have many local lurkers here who might think they are intruding upon a 'clique like' forum if they decide to post something interesting and engaging more so than our chit chat. Also, I have noticed that there are infrequent posters, and probably lurkers, who have moved out of our local but are interested in our news and interactions of the area.

Chit chat is fine but when it comes to posts like..."I'll have to run to the store for milk so will be back later" we should take it to another message venue.

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 8:21 PM


I haven't heard anything about him since he left. I was hoping he would continue to post as I always found his contributions interesting. He has a wealth of experience and is a very good writer.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 8:23 PM


I agree. And in honor thereof I post my Top Ten Speak Out comments that I am sick to death of and can no longer comment. Here we go:

10. Thanking AmerenUE for restoring electricity following ice storms!

9. Complaining that the city (pick one) has not removed branches from the ice storm!

8. Any comment that has the word "Rush" in it unless it refers to a band or the faces of some presidents on a mountain side!

7. Please Please no more fireworks comments!

6. Gas mileage, driving slower, and drive thrus!

5. Waterparks (that one is just for melange)!

4. Anything about signs in the city of Cape!

3. Please no more comments about your children's homework!

2. The timing of stop light signals!!

1. And without a doubt, for the love of Christ (drum roll please) the complaints of Grass Clippings In The Street!!!!!

-- Posted by SWBG on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 8:27 PM

prudentdriver ...u got me there for a couple hours..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 8:34 PM


In reference to "all government" employees getting health insurance just like congress, my wife pays for her own and until a few years ago I had her on my insurance as hers was not really very good. Her insurance is pretty good, but no better than many in private industry, but better than some.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 8:34 PM


Agree with your list, but I will probably get sucked in and comment on one or two of them in spite of my best intentions. I would however add to it the smoking/none smoking issue.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 8:50 PM

Babe: You're right, of course. I should have been more specific about 'the news' being often slanted. When we see or read a news article in a party-leaning media platform, it is news. But often, when we read (or watch) the same news in an opposing party-leaning platform...We find that facts have been left out, or the wording of facts is different. IMHO, much of the news is no longer the 5 w's, but also sometimes an extra letter...Maybe Herr (you forgot to say our 'LOVABLE,' bloviating Herr' LOL) or Pups can come up with what it might be...the opinion slid in that belongs to the person who wrote it--or in their comments as they present the news on TV. And yes...Reuters is on my list, too.

I know Limbaugh tends to be satirical--I appreciate that because I sometimes catch myself being the same (and as you know, it is sometimes misunderstood). However...he also does things like yelling at callers who disagree with him, even hanging up on them--or calling them idiots because they do not. I used to listen to someone on radio in IA...a female...who was obviously very left-wing...but enjoyed her program because she listened, discussed, and even (seldom) agreed or agreed to consider what callers would say. Loved her very dry wit, too! I guess I quit listening to Limbaugh about a year ago, when he stated very forcefully that a caller was dead wrong--that there is NO 'middle,' a person is either left or right. That's when I suspected that perhaps he, as well as most of our politicians, does not get out and about to listen to what many (most?) of the 'people' think and believe.

It isn't just political news that tends to get slanted--But in the interest of brevity (I know I tend to babble on...), won't cite some of the things...but we surely all remember some of the heart-string jerking stories that we've seen, the intent to make our sympathies come into play, by not telling the entire story sometimes even when the news people know the 'rest of the story.'

Twiggy That is good! You do have a pretty positive attitude, it seems...and it has to help during times like these! As far as plans not working out exactly as you hoped...Sometimes plans just have to change with the moment, don't they? LOL

PrudentDriver: It's okay...really! Think of it this way--Speak Out in itself is a rambling affair of various topics...whatever comes to a caller's mind. The comment section might be considered an extension of Speak Out...Okay, loosely considered an extension. ;-) SWBG Laughing...and loving your Top Ten...!

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 8:51 PM


Sorry, but I always thought that FEHBP was very attractive in their choices and payments.

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:07 PM


Is that what the politician told you? No one has ever approached me. But you have been quite public about your name. Are you saying that the paper or someone on this forum has some way to identify anonymous posters?

-- Posted by SWBG on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:09 PM

What is it with this clique thing. We don't alienate anyone from posting generally unless they turn it personal. Everyone is invited for lunches. We don't tell anyone that its an A-B conversation so C your way out of it. How is this a clique when you can post freely?


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:13 PM


Yes things have a way of working out generally the way they are meant to. I just have to hope for the best. It's kind of weird I just recvd a call from my cousin, who needs drivers for trucks and escorts, which might be an ideal thing for me. At least it's an option for me to think about. Only thing is I would have to take another test, which I hate. Oh, well I guess it's something to consider.


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:20 PM


No, your top ten list is not trivial comments as it does have a relationship to community concerns.

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:21 PM


Did not say it was trivial. Just sick of discussing those topics. I often posted on the water park prior and just after the vote. But those complaining about sticking to the Speak Out topics would utterly bore me out of here. I often find your input entertaining...if not I move on.

-- Posted by SWBG on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:26 PM

Babe, just like you believe now, several years ago I also thought FOX was fair and balanced when they were rightfully slamming the Clinton's. I now don't think any "news" stations are fair and balanced and probably have never been. CNN, FOX or any of them. They all work for the same corporate masters. Since the huge corporations own them, they are told to obey and report the news slant they are told to do. Once again the people at the top who control everything want to make the people "Believe" they have a choice in news. The left goes to CNN and the right goes to FOX. It is the same left right paradigm as it is in elections. They give the people basically two choices and that's it IMHO.

When they do attempt to present "both" sides of a story, they rush the guests and give them limited time to answer complicated question. The show hosts rush people for answers just like a shady used car salesman.

They all have basically the same news stories every day. Why is that? Wouldn't you think that some days the lead stories might be vastly different? It is a smooth mind control propaganda machine. Television puts people in a dream like state. T.V. is addicting. Try this experiment. Don't' watch any T.V. at all for a week.You will not miss out on the "news" because you have the Internet. Your mind will become much more clear without the blue glow and the flicker rate of the T.V. I have studied the hypnosis that T.V. causes in relation to advertising.

Another thing to be aware of: Why do you think there are there so many moving objects all over the background behind the news readers and talk show hosts. There are revolving and flickering T.V. screens, colored moving patterns that look like a bad acid trip, and of course that annoying crawl of headlines at the bottom of the screen. All of this movement and activity is scientifically designed to put you in to an even more suggestive state to accept propaganda. It sounds like science fiction, but is so true. The conscience brain can not process all of the moving things but the sub-conscience brain does.

If people still want to watch T.V. "news", then they need to demand that the stations local and national cut out all the extraneous background video clutter. The crawl should be reserved for true breaking emergency news as if once was.

What is your opinion of all of the moving clutter on the news station background screens Babe? You are active on other blogs I believe, so ask others what they think about the annoying backgrounds if you get the chance. I think they would agree that if people are going to watch "news" programs, the networks should fess up about why all of the background clutter.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:27 PM


Thanks for your list of top ten. Could not agree more but had to throw this out.

I am sure I will be starting some “fireworks” in my comment about how down by the “water park” “sign” “Ameren UE” did their “homework” on getting good “gas mileage” in their “rush” to beat the “stop lights” when they removed the “branches” and “grass clippings” following the “ice storm”.


-- Posted by gman on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:34 PM


Rush does not hang up on callers unless they misrepresent themselves to the call screener of the subject of their call. Yes, he is bombastic and does call people 'idiots' as one poster did here today. And he is right about being on one side or the other. Oh yes, you can listen to both sides, as most serious persons do, but sooner or later you will have to find your own truths, principles and convictions based on your thought processes. Rush has found his and I have found mine. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:41 PM



Try watching (though I think you are in TX) Channel 3 News out of Harrisburg IL. I don't think they can afford those flashy things so I guess they must be objective.

I watch just mostly the local news to catch headlines and to see the weather.

-- Posted by SWBG on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:47 PM


Oh, good lord, please get a grip. Now we're being subjected to subliminal messages on Fox News? I am going to take your suggestion. I will back with a link. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 9:52 PM

SWBG I remember channel 3 when I was a kid living in Cape Girardeau County. We had an antenna on a long pole and I had the job of turning it to tune in the fuzzy channel 3 signal with my dad yelling when to stop moving the pole. We had to do that for another channel out of Kentucky.

I believe most local T.V. stations pretty much just parrot what the national news says but with a local twist. I have found that foreign news services report more accurately about what is happening in this country than our own news does. Of course one has to filter what they say too.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 10:08 PM


Here is your first installment of my inquiry. You are probably correct in your accessment of Fox News.


-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 10:23 PM


We had one of those too when I was growing up. We could not twist it however. Got all of four channels. Then my dad put up a UHF antenna on the roof and we could get channel 30 out of St. Louis.

I try to ignore the bloviating (sorry Herr) that exists in any medium. I glean what I can and do my best to form my own opinion. I understand that it can only be formed by what it takes in. I try to keep things simple. Taoist principles serve me best.

-- Posted by SWBG on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 10:36 PM


Wow looks like your friends on FreeRepublic think like infowarrior. Thanks for the post.

-- Posted by SWBG on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 10:45 PM


Yes, it would seem that InfoWarrior can serve me a plate of crow. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:04 PM

Thanks for you research Babe. I was just curious as to what others were thinking about all of the nonsense on all of the so called news stations. I wished they would have given more opinion on all of the clutter that appears in the news show backgrounds. I flipped on Geraldo for a minute, The FOX News box was slowly spinning in circles. The word LIVE would show for a few seconds. Other colors where blending together in the background and of course that hideous scroll at the bottom of the screen. This was mild compared to that show in the mornings called Joe on the other station. That show would give Timothy Leary nightmares.

I think most people give the news the same rating that they give the congress and the president. Everyone knows in their gut that something is terribly wrong in our world but they just can't put their finger on it and the news is no help.

We simple must keep searching for the truth wherever we can find it. I believe that most people are scared that some of what they have believed to be true all of their lives might actually have been false. In these trying times, we have a duty to ourselves and to our family and friends to look at current events with a different pair of glasses. Watch the movie "They Live" to get an idea of what I am saying. It is a grade B movie and is poorly acted, but it has a powerful message.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:10 PM

Babe, do you want BBQ sauce with the crow? Or I have a nice honey-mustard sauce recipe that might go good. J/K You are SO funny! Thanks for the link, BTW; the comments were quite interesting.

Guess we have no 'real' fair & balanced news media, right? I had such great hopes for Hannity & Colmes...two differing viewpoints so to speak...

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:15 PM

InfoWarrior: I never was scared to have my beliefs shattered, just always wanted the truth--and always upset when I discovered I'd been hoodwinked and/or lied to. As for the scroll bar...while Pops watches FOX shows, I think I get more actual, cut-and-dried news from the scrolls than he does from the show rhetoric.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:19 PM

night all got to et up early.


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:35 PM

I mean get, man I'm tired can't even spell right. LOL


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:36 PM

Good point Gurus Mom. There is probably more actual news in the scroll than what the people are saying. That should show everyone what their priorities are.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:44 PM

Twiggs &/or Aggie:

Are ya still backstrokin' in the bog? Actually, it might be cool and refreshing right now...just avoid the lumps! We got back from wining, dining, and generally appeasing the Mule; however, had to deal with a heat victim in the garage and trying to see to it that we don't have any more for the night. But if you've checked out for now, I can try to catch you tomorrow or something.

Remember? It was about that mind mapping (which I mistakingly said brain mapping earlier) technique that might help with your moving/settling prep...or at least make it more interesting.

Well, I suppose for now I could cut things short by just asking you a question...'cause I'm sure you can appreciate my rather adverse opinion about extended bloviating, donchaknow?!!! So here it is: Have you ever seen or read one the books by Tony Buzan? He's the one who wrote about some of that really neat mind mapping stuff, among other things. If you have, then swell, there may be no need for further ado on this topic.

I'll hang around for a little longer. Otherwise, catch ya later.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:44 PM

Dang it! Looks like I just missed 'em.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:50 PM


Oh, I'll eat my crow unadorned when I must do so. But I still like Fox 'News' vs their commentary programs even with the flash and eye candy presented. Keep in mind that it is the only news channel that is 'less' slanted to the left as most but most conservatives do not like 'fluff' interrupting their news. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 11:56 PM

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