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Speak Out 7/19/08

Saturday, July 19, 2008

Fine the litter bums

THE PROBLEM with litter is the existing laws are not enforced. I'm tired of hearing how citizen groups are expected to pick up after the bums who litter. Fine the dickens out of people who do the littering. It sounds like Cape Girardeau would rather put an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff rather than a fence at the top.

Smoking survey

DR. KEN Dobbins, president of Southeast Missouri State University, had nothing to do with the smoking survey. That survey was sent out by a committee of smokers and nonsmokers, faculty, staff and students. And most people wanted smoking completely banned from the campus.

Stay at the airport

I THINK that Libertyfest and air show did really well considering organizers only had a short time to prepare to have the events at the airport. As far as the crowd control, I think it works a lot better than having it downtown. I hope the events are at the airport again.

Vehicle storage

SOMEONE WAS wondering why we leave valuable things in our vehicles. That's our personal vehicle. It is our property. We can leave anything we wish in it. If a thief breaks in and steals what is ours, he should be held responsible.

Tackling the litter

IT WAS good to see the mayor of Sikeston has set up a litter hot line to help clean up his community. I pick up trash around my home every week in Cape Girardeau, and I see trash all over town. I wish Cape cared enough to do something positive about it too.

Long time ago

I CANNOT believe what Lincoln Scott said about African-Americans not wanting to come to Southeast Missouri State University to teach because of the proximity to Cairo, Ill., and the race riots. That was 40 years ago. That's in the past. Let a sleeping dog lie.

Fixing potholes

REGARDING THE comments in Speak Out about all the potholes and damage that's being done to people's cars in Cape Girardeau, I've been calling the city for years about potholes. Either the city does not respond or uses a temporary asphalt mix to fix the hole. The city needs to come up with a comprehensive plan of fixing these potholes and overlaying the streets with better methods to prevent this from happening in the future.

Cash for casinos

MICHAEL JENSEN'S op-ed on casino loss limits is well-presented and right on target. To take full advantage of the casino's awards program, one needs to keep putting cash into their machine of choice. This means cashing out from time to time and putting in more cash. You can lose, break even or come out ahead and still play the system. The only thing the loss limits prevent is your ability to continue playing. That's why some would avoid Missouri and go elsewhere -- say Metropolis. Everyone wants to help problem gamblers, but loss limits are not the answer.

Bye, American-made

CAN YOU believe it? Anheuser-Busch, one of the few things left that is American-made, and you let that go too. What's next? The theme parks where my children play?

Gas-saving idea

I WONDER how many hundreds of thousands of gallons of gasoline would be saved if we quit using the drive-through at all fast-food places and banks. Another plus would be the extra calories we would burn. How about it?


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good morning everyone

Cardinals 11 , San Diego 7

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 5:53 AM

good morning Me'Lange

another day of yardwork today ?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 6:44 AM

Just wanted to leave a quick comment about lunch yesterday. One main reason I couldn't go was because I had to make up time at work after a hectic week of everything that Twiggy dealt with too. Night before last was the icing on the cake and we had both just kinda had enough via a stranger acting so cruelly. That had nothing to do with not going to lunch or anyone that showed up although it causes some reservations at times and yesterday was one of those times (this is on my part not Twiggy's) Next Friday Twiggy and I fully intend on being at lunch so pick something good and best of all NO TIME LIMIT!!! So you all just let us know and we will be there!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 7:07 AM

BTW Good Morning Rick, Melange and everyone else!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 7:07 AM

morning Nickey

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 7:17 AM

Re Vehicle Storage:

explain to my why someone thinks its ok to break into a car steal a DVD and a digital voice recorder that was in the glove box and then proceed to the trunk to rifle around? I agree with this caller. The thief should have been held responsible and when we called the police department we were told since we moved the vehicle they weren't going to do anything. Thank you Scott City Police Department for protecting and serving and upholding the law! I am so glad my tax dollars go to pay your salaries and you do your jobs SO well.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 7:31 AM

Morning everyone

Pups/gurusmom/Me'Lange

i was sorry to mis lunch yesterday and had every intention of coming however yesterday was not a good day for for medically so I decided home was where I really needed to be. I was in bed asleep by 5 last night but hopefully next week will be better and Mom really hope to meet you.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 7:51 AM

good morning semoangel

hope ur feeling betters today...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 7:54 AM

thanks rick.........just something I have to live with it will either get better or it wont not much I can do about it.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 7:58 AM

Good Morning Everyone!!

*stepping up on soap box*

Nickey,

First let me say how sorry I am that your personal property was broken into.

Second, I'm thinking the original idea is getting kind of lost in translation. No one is advocating that the person getting their car broken into is the one at fault. The person at fault, and should be punished is the person committing the crime. What some are saying is why leave the items in plain sight? (obviously your's were not Nickey)

Think of it this way. You have a German Shepard as a pet. You want to leave the house for the day. You leave a steak on the floor and tell the dog not to touch it. It is yours. Then leave the house for the day. Now same thing but you put the steak in the fridge. Which steak do you think is still going to be there when you get home??

Again, NOT saying the person breaking into your car isn't responsible for committing the crime. And not saying that by putting your things out of sight in your car will keep them from breaking in. If they really want in, they are going to get in. And if they can be caught should be punished. Not saying it is your fault, because I understand the personal property arguement, just why tempt them by leaving a purse on the front seat?

*stepping of box now*

-- Posted by Pups on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:02 AM

pups

It is to early for you to be posting anything that makes us thinks and oops sorry makes sense lol you have to give us time to wake up so we can figure out away to debate that!

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:05 AM

Pups

Oh I got that its just mornin and I am all cornfused right now (not enough coffee) I just meant that I agreed with the caller about the whole situation and was placing my scenario for analysis. and bringing to light how inadequate SCPD is. Sorry for the confusion!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:07 AM

Good Morning Semo!

Sorry to hear you aren't feeling well. But, I'm already looking forward to next week. :-)

-- Posted by Pups on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:07 AM

Nickey

Pups just likes confusing us........lol

I am also looking forward to next week I am off work all week!

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:10 AM

morning Pups

i bet a poodle would scarf down that steak too...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:11 AM

rick

and I have a cat that would give it its best shot to finish it off as well!

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:13 AM

Semo and Nickey,

LOL, sorry about that. Been up for a couple of hours here. Don't know why, just kind of happened. So caffine, and maybe a bit too much of it, has kicked in overdrive this am. I'll probably crash in a few hours when the effects wear off. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:13 AM

I don't need a German Shepard. I have a Beagle Basset Lab mix that wouldn't hesitate and a Shih Tzu that sure would do his best to help out!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:14 AM

Pups

actually my son was up at 4 am for some reason and decided to play guitar hero so the entire house was up but as I don't drink coffee (that stuff is nasty!) I have to wake up slowly and this morning thanks to my wonderful personality in the am I came real close to throwing the playstation out the front door!

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:16 AM

Rick,

You are correct, but didn't want to p*ss off my avitar by suggesting a different type dog. He is soooo tempermental. hehe

Semo,

WhooooHooooo pool party at Semo's cause she's off next week. Oh wait, you're only off from your paying job. Still have the "four" kids and the pets to take care of. So much for vacation. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:21 AM

Semo,

I can just picture you doing it too. Also can see your son's face with the "What did I do?" look. LMAO

-- Posted by Pups on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:23 AM

LOL that would have been priceless to see!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:28 AM

Pups

Actually I did throw my daughters computer out the door one day when she wouldn't clean her room. Kind of defeated the purpose, the room got cleaned but the computer no longer worked......lol

And I only have the big kid next week and the pets. girls are going to church camp for the week and son is going to grandmas. tried to get her to take the hubby but she said I married him I had to keep him.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:31 AM

Nickey

The better picture is remember the chair I was telling you about.......well it finally went out the front door in about three pieces with him yelling what was I doing he could fix it! But hey I get new furniture now just had to do some creative thining to get it

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:33 AM

sounds like a win-win to me! I ought to try that sometime with my 31 year old child and his crap that clutters up my back porch!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:36 AM

Around here all 4 of them get told once to move it, the second time they get a warning if they dont I will and the third time it is in the trash.......after they have all lost some things they caught on pretty quick that mom wasn't playing and actually pick it up. same with laundry either hit he clothes hamper or i don't wash it they have learned what that square thing in the bathrooms is now.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:43 AM

Nickey and Semo,

"Men, can't live with them, can't kill em." Well that last part is debateable if you learn to dispose of the body properly. J/K!! (I've actually had to explain that my knowledge in that particular area was just through research and not practice, when I mistakenly mentioned a method in front of a plain clothed officer. LMAO)

-- Posted by Pups on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:48 AM

Pups

be glad their were no bodies found around that time! Nah I will keep mine around he irritates me but he is a good guy and he cooks better than i do so i am afraid the kids would starve if I killed him!

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:50 AM

I'm still working on a fool proof method for that. Kinda hard though after you watch 48 hours and Forensic Files all the time and they never seem to tell you what WILL work only how other people got caught. So basically right now I have a list of what NOT do to LOL

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:51 AM

Nickey

well you know what not to do at least and besides you are pregnant all you have to do is say he called you fat or made fun of you in some other way and you would win as long as you had a jury of women because we all know men are insensitive when it comes to that.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:53 AM

Nickey,

Shouldn't be that hard with the incompetencies of the SCPD, right?

-- Posted by SWBG on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:58 AM

it's only against the law if u get caught...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:02 AM

Nickey,

Sounds like you and I should talk. Have a way, just takes some planning. Ooops did I say that outloud??? hehe

-- Posted by Pups on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:06 AM

rick

good point but Nickey is like me she would be the one to get caught

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:07 AM

LOL I didn't see anything pups

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:10 AM

SWBG

nope not really they would see an accidental death or a natural death as a homicide. (two instances just recently actually) But my luck I would have FBI and what not breakin down my door LOL

Pups

There's always the river. Gangsters did it years ago.....

Rick

Right now I would more than likely definatly get caught my brain only works part of the time LOL

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:10 AM

All the bans on smoking that are taking place what is next Beer and Whiskey? What about all of the unhealthly foods we all eat every day causing the obesity problem in this country, which is also causing unbelievable rise in our health care cost. Obesity is a very serious problem we are facing and researchers tell us this problem will be far worse medically then what smoking has caused, but you do not hear much about it like you do on smoking.

-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:12 AM

Before I get into today's topics in SO, Peter Kerr's letter to the editor was right on. It was classic Austrian School.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:19 AM

swampeastmissouri,

You haven't been paying attention to New York have you? They have already passed laws as to what type of oil a Rest. can fry it's food in. Also the whole idea that 'warning' labels have to me placed warning you that if you eat a big mac, fries and coke for every meal you might gain weight (oh and your hot coffee is hot don't forget). In a worse case senario, it won't be long before 'they' will be telling everyone what they can eat, not just what they should eat. Patients my friend, that day is coming.

-- Posted by Pups on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:20 AM

swampeastmissourian

probably because all of the ones complaining about the smoking are the fat arses that sit around all day long stuffing their face and then feel miserable because they are so fat they can't move so instead of blaming themselves for the condition they are in they say it is all the smokers fault for making them breath in second hand smoke instead of it being those three double whoppers they inhaled at lunch.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:21 AM

Nickey,

Final note, as I don't want a knock on the door, the River isn't an accomplace, it's the alibi*hint hint*(forgive spelling as I'm too lazy to use spell check on a forum)!!!! hehe

-- Posted by Pups on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:23 AM

Good point.

Hey wait I know where a pig farm is!!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:27 AM

good morning everyone

I've been reading trying to catch up and of course Nickey keeps me up on things, don't know how much I will be on here, but wanted to say a quick hello to all.

Semoangle

hope your feeling better today

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:28 AM

Twiggy

Glad you decided to come back we need someone to keep your daughter in check......lol sorry nickey had to say it.

Yes i am feeling a little better still numb in my left leg but started the steroids so hopefully this flare up will be short lived.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:30 AM

Hey Nickey,

Too bad the ethinol plants aren't going in. They could have come in handy. lol

Semo,

Now not all of us vertically challenged, horizontally expanding people are unhappy that we ate those burgers for lunch. Just unhappy they aren't frying the fries in the better tasting bad for you oil anymore. LMAO

-- Posted by Pups on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:31 AM

Pups

LOL you my friend are not obese.

I hate the new oil mcDonalds and places are using the fries arent as good anymore.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:33 AM

James,

The letter made some valid points that I had not concidered. Thank you for pointing out the letter as I probably would have missed it otherwise. Though I understand mentally the idea of supply and demand as well as the lowering of the value of the dollar. My wallet seems to think more emotionally about it. :-)

-- Posted by Pups on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:33 AM

Ok all i am out of here for awhile catch you good folks later

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:37 AM

this newspaper printed my story i sent in as a joke...

http://www.semissourian.com/apps/pbcs.dl...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:38 AM

Semo,

Remind me to take you to my next doctor's appointment. I would like you to tell him what you just told me. He doesn't seem to believe me when I tell him that.

Twiggy,

Good to see you!! And we all need a break sometimes, but please do concider continued postings. Besides, we can't always expect Nickey to get the posts relayed properly. hehe

Oh look, there on the calander, just saw it. It's "Pick on Nickey" day. It's one of those holidays that the need for more then just one day a year was required.

Ok, maybe too much caffine as I'm getting a bit too comedicly challenged in my posts.

-- Posted by Pups on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:41 AM

I'm sure by now you all know that keeping Nickey in line takes alot of work and I doubt that since she's older now that she will listen much to me. Gives you an idea though of how it was when she was growing up. See what kind of fun you missed out on.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:44 AM

Twiggy,

Fun?? Really? Is that how you remember it? Must be one of those "you forget the pain of childbirth" things Mom's get. LMAO J/K!!

Gotta get some chores done around the house. Have a great day everyone and stay cool!! Talk to you all soon.

-- Posted by Pups on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:49 AM

good morning Twiggy

welcome back...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:50 AM

I'll say it again...this isn't an IM blog, so why do you folks insist on using it as your own little personal chatroom? Go somewhere else.

-- Posted by Hawker on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:52 AM

Gurusmom

I saw your posting from late last night this morning, sorry I wasn't up. If I can remember it all I will answer to the best of my knowledge, no we won't be hiring movers, I'm going to be the packer, packee or whatever you call it. Aggie will be back up to get me and our things after I get it all done and to the best of my knowledge it will be sometime around the 25th of Aug give or take a week. Those are just the preplans at the moment. I would much rather hire movers though.

As for leaving my family and friends it will be very hard, but as long as I can at least talk to them by phone, email, and visit hopefully often, I will be alright. Thanks for caring.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:54 AM

goodmorning Rick, and I read your story you sent in to the paper. kind of reminded me of something you would want to tell kids about around a campfire to try and scare them. Know what I mean. You have a good imagination.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:56 AM

Hawker

KFVS12 has an open forum now for folks

who want to do some serious debating 24/7...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:57 AM

Things can get pretty serious and heated in debating in here when it is wanted. Just sometimes people get away from it because they get tired of it or if it gets to heavy then someone tries to lighten the atmosphere alittle, so to speak.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 10:00 AM

Once again someone b*tching about the style of posts but offers no alternative. Just another whinner.

-- Posted by Pups on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 10:07 AM

Seems like that happens alot lately, but I enjoy the way there are debates along with personal talks mixed in together. Keeps the moods a little lighter.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 10:10 AM

Good story, Rick. Laughing in the morning is much better!

-- Posted by KingsKid on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 10:10 AM

How come nobody told me about Pick on Nickey day? Oh well I can take it bring it on!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 10:35 AM

Nickey

..gotta find something to pick about first....

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 10:41 AM

Well lets see that's pretty easy to do Twiggy would supply you with all the info and ammo you need.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 10:46 AM

ok I am gonna hang myself on this one but I am gonna beat her to the punch. When I had my permit I parked my car on a concrete wall.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 10:48 AM

OMG forgot all about that one. That one was one for the books and didn't have camera phones back when that happened. Didn't even have camera on me to get a pic of it. LOL

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 10:52 AM

Pups, what are you talking about that I am whining and offering no alternative?

I was stating a fact, not whining, and I did say go somewhere else, which is an alternative. Did I hurt your feelings? Was I politically incorrect? Too bad.

Seriously, go to a chatroom and figure out when you are going to have lunch, drink your coffee, take a trip, eat breakfast, leave for work, what the score was, what your cat/dog did, your kids, your car, your truck, your ailments.

Look, some of that is OK, but you guys are going WAY over beyond tolerable. Haven't you noticed you're the only ones posting? People are sick of it. (HINT)

-- Posted by Hawker on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 11:01 AM

Hawker,

Saturdays are always kind of slow, what is it exactly you are wanting to discuss? I'm sure if you start a topic someone will respond.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 11:09 AM

Hawker,

Not offended and no feelings hurt. Just pointing out that complaining about what is being posted rather then posting something to debate is all you do. No one is forceing you to read our posts, and it is not keeping from anyone posting anything they wish to post. Take a clue from James. He avoided the 'chat' yet still posted something other then to tell others what, where, and how to post.

Oh an until the paper tells me I can't chat on here, I will continue to do so. You are free to join in or stop reading. Really simple.

-- Posted by Pups on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 11:24 AM

Oh and for clarification, this forum's only posted restiction is as follows....

"The nature of the Internet makes it impractical for our staff to review every comment. If you feel that a comment is offensive, use the exclamation point icon beside the comment to send a report to the webmaster."

-- Posted by Pups on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 11:26 AM

Lincoln Scott is just trying to make excuses for his own failures. He saw an easy target and thought that nobody would complain. It didn't matter that his deflection would make him look like an idiot if anybody thought about it; he didn't expect anybody to think about it.

Just like the guy who got injured in Cape but claimed it happened in Cairo.

Don't these people know that everything is George W. Bush's fault this year? Blaming Cairo is so 2005...

-- Posted by bobby62914 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 11:42 AM

Hawker

People or do you have a mouse in your pocket?

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 11:43 AM

Hawker

Sounds like a beauty shop, doesn't it? Very few comments are to be found here on SO comments, news or current events.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 12:04 PM

Pot kettle black much Babe?

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 12:06 PM

Pot kettle black much Babe?

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 12:06 PM

Vehicle storage: People shouldn't steal, but some do. A thief can be held responsible only if he/she is caught. Best to secure your items from theft.

Cash for casinos: Mr. Jensen is often right.

Bye, American made: I suggest do some research and find out why foreign investors are buying up US firms and why so many firms are locating overseas. I will offer, follow the money, and the money says that many US companies are a bargain because of the cheap dollar.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 12:11 PM

James Nall

It is my understanding that foreigners cannot own land in the USA just as we can't in Mexico? Is this true?

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 12:16 PM

Period

Apparantly most posters feel we should pick up litters' trash ourselves.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 12:22 PM

Babe: Remember when Japanese investors bought up Pebble Beach? I'm not an expert on the buying and owning property by foreigners in the US. You are right about foreigners only being able to lease land in Mexico. My guess is that foreigners can own land and properties in the US.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 12:31 PM

Litter,

People are always complaining about Cape PD as it is, I can only imagine what would happen if they started “aggressive” ticketing for litter and if you want this done you will need to hire more Officers.

Smoking survey

Fortunately, we are not always governed by what “most people” want.

Vehicle storage

I agree; we should not be expected to take every possible step to keep from “tempting” thieves. Should we be expected to keep the drapes in our homes drawn, our cars in secure garages as well as motorcycles, ATV’s, boats, bicycles and anything else someone might be “compelled” to steal if they see it.

Long time ago

Fear is not always rational and since I am not African American, I can’t really speak to the “legitimacy” of their fears, only they can do that.

Fixing potholes

Like State and County Government, City Government has been hit by higher expenditures than expected and must prioritize.

Cash for casinos

There is probably very little that can be done about “problem” gamblers; don’t gamble myself so I don’t understand the attraction anyway.

Bye, American-made

The day I get upset about who owns a brewery will be a sad day indeed.

Gas-saving idea

I WONDER HOW MANY TIMES THIS IS GOING TO BE DRUG BACK OUT. If they eliminate drive thru, I will stop going and when you start paying for my gas then it may be some of your darned business.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 12:50 PM

Babe,

Thanks for changing your avatar. Whether or not someone likes Obama, the flag burning depicted in the background starts to rub some of us the wrong way. I for one would prefer not to see the flag for who so many have died for being burned even if it is a cartoon.

Thanks again,

Gman

-- Posted by gman on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 1:13 PM

Hawker,

You do not speak for everyone. I am a daily lurker/occasional poster, and I enjoy reading the comments - whether they be a debate on a topic or just trying to decide where to go to lunch on Fridays.

The "regulars" on here enjoy each other and have become friends. They aren't hurting anyone by their chat-type conversations...

-- Posted by MCK on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 1:16 PM

hawker

don't like it don't come into the forum

Babe

If it is so much like a beauty shop and the topic is always off speakout, which I think you do as well, then why don't you find another forum and quit complaining about this one.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 1:32 PM

Crimes,

Agreed, one should not have to take “extreme measures” to secure their property. Many crimes however are “crimes of opportunity” and you only increase your likelihood of becoming a victim if you leave items in plain view. Yes, I admit it is a sad state of affairs, but it is reality. While there is NO EXCUSE for anyone to steal things from you, being “right” is poor solace when you have items stolen.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 1:55 PM

gman

It offended me, too, and that is why I thought it important to use that avatar. It satirically shows what converatives are thinking and saying of Obama and I don't find it to be satire, but the truth.

Nonetheless, I will refrain from using it because of your polite explanation of why it offends you.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 2:07 PM

Me"lange

The steroids never mess with my sleep instead it is always my blood sugar and weight gain from them. I think I started them early enough that won't have to be on them to long though.

.

Hypocrits are everywhere didn't you know that. They are here, at your job, your church and even in the government we elect. Now as far as the avatars go......guess I was blind because I never paid much attention to babe's as I don't to most people's.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 2:23 PM

Pups

next time you go to the doctor and he says something about your weight ask him just where he fits into the BMI. I love it when a doctor tells you you need to loose weight and yet they are packing around an extra 30 or 40 pounds

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 2:28 PM

dot,

Apparently that whizzed right over your head as you appear to have no comprehension of what I said.

Oh, and old habits are hard to break aren't they?

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 2:30 PM

semo,

I bet that would go over well. Unfortunately my doctor is skinny. BTW liked the post on hypocrites. I try not to be but fail at times as well.

James,

I had Dr. Kerr for some classes many a year ago now. While the decline in the dollar is due to several factors the most influential being the easily available credit that has been going on and the Feds insistence on keeping it that way to support an industry that needed correcting (housing). That is the root but the price of fuel too has ancillary effects that further the spiral of inflation.

-- Posted by SWBG on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 2:42 PM

Period

Huey P Long was a masterful politician and a democrat in the full sense of the meaning at the time. He was labeled a socialist because he did indeed make many departments under state control vs local. You can see it still today as in state public health, state hospitals, state schools etc. But others who have not studied him do not know what he did for the Negro (the PC term at the time). Well before intergration he made access to 'white only' hospitals available for them establishing state charity ones. He made it possible for them to receive a quality education, transportation and supplies by making all schools state run.

Yes, you could classify me as an old time democrat who left the party because it left me.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 2:44 PM

SWBG

We all fail at times no one is perfect the difference is some admit they are wrong and others dont

My doctor well one of them is a chubby guy that smokes like a freight train and he is always saying loose weight and quit smoking......sure I could loose a few pounds most of us could but

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 2:46 PM

It always amazes me that people who have so much disdain for this forum and its poster keep coming back just to tell us how inane it and we are. Evil forces have never taken over my computer and directed me here, it has always been by choice. Wonder how that seems to happen to others...

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 2:46 PM

Dot,

Yeah, you are probably right.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 3:33 PM

Period

No, Huey Long was NOT like Obama, the modern day democrat. He gave a hand up, not a hand out. All persons could go to a charity hospital if they chose or could not afford medical treatment. He did not create a medicare system instead. He made it possible for all students to have an education with transportation and supples furnished if the parents did not want to send to private schools. He did not create lunch and breakfast programs as it was expected that parents feed their own children. He established a state public health system mainly to eradicate the hookworms that were sapping the strength of most southern children. He did not demand that children be immunized before entering school if the parents chose not to do so.

I think that the modern democratic party are the socialists.

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 4:20 PM

Me'Lange

Normally I have no issue with my blood sugar however for some reason when on the steroids I do, this is a side effect but as you said would rather deal with that than the alternative!

But considering all of your gardening adventures I am sure you have burned enough calories to cover the sweets lately!

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 4:33 PM

SWBG: I'm of the Austrian School on economics. Not a formal education, but an education none-the-less. In the Austrian School the rising price of goods and services is not inflation, it is the cause of those rises that is the inflation, which is the printing of dollars and expansion of credit beyond savings. Peter Kerr explains it well in his letter. When MSM speaks of inflation, they put the blame on the private sector, when in reality it the government and its FED that should be blamed.

In a non-inflation environment the price of goods would normally come down because of increased productivity due to better technologies. Deflation was the norm before the FED was instituted. Meaning the money that I have would be worth more toward the purchase of goods and services tomorrow than it is today. Inflation is nothing more than a tax imposed by government and its FED.

The scarcity of goods, like oil, has an effect on prices, but that is not inflation.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 5:17 PM

James,

It is the price of those goods by which we measure inflation. It however is caused by the money supply. Germany post WWI was a prime example as they printed more money but that just destabilized the economy more. Couple that with the horribly written Treaty of Versailles and you get the perfect climate for a Hitler. Excuse me for my digress.

Perhaps my terminology through the years has become too mainstream. Too many years since any formal education in economics. Original premise being the increase in energy price has a greater effect on other goods more so than any other product.

-- Posted by SWBG on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 5:50 PM

SWBG: I have a different way of measuring inflation than you but the results add up to higher prices. To me the expansion of money and credit, 18% last year, is inflation. As you know, the Euro and British Pound both showed an increase in the cost of goods, meaning they expanded their currencies faster than the increase of goods in which to purchase. The dollar lost 40% against the euro in the last few years.

As you pointed out, the cost of fuel added to the increase of the price of goods along with inflation of the supply of money and credit. Part of the price of fuel is investors fearing instability of the Mid-East due to the US's involvement there. Everything has a cost, especially war.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 6:28 PM

SWBG: I'm not ready to break out the wheel barrel as the Germans had to do to haul enough money to buy a loaf of bread, but the wheel barrel is in standby mode.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 6:31 PM

The Middle East is unstable because the U.S. is involved there? That is an interesting theory. Indefensible and ignorant, but interesting none the less...

-- Posted by bobby62914 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 6:34 PM

James Nall is a very astute man. He doesn't need me to defend him, but his opinion about the U.S. involvement in the never ending war in the mid-east is certainly not ignorant. We are fighting a proxy war for the Israelis. If you think gas prices are high now, just wait until the bombs start falling on Iran.

For those of you who would like a concise history of the Federal Reserve Bank and how we are paying the price for that evil organization today please watch the classic video by G. Edward Griffin called the Creature From Jekyll Island. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=...

Jekyll Island, just off the coast of Georgia is where the diabolical central bank called the Federal Reserve was conceived. The video is only about 1 hour long. No matter what political party you belong, you will not be disappointed in this presentation.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 7:20 PM

Just passing thru for a bit, couldn't let this go by. Hawker, you can kiss my arse. You or anyone else does't like how we have or forum here YOU go some where else. My pc, My internet so I'll post as I want to. Anyone who Doesn't like how we, for a few years now, post here can go straight to ****.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:01 PM

I don't know of any time that there has not been instability in the middle east. Funny how everything seems to be our fault.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:01 PM

Sorry forgot, and I approve this message. Aggie

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:03 PM

LOL Aggie

I was begining to think something was wrong with twiggy when read that post.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:08 PM

Semoangel,

I would hope everyone knows me better than that.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:20 PM

Twiggy

I always thought you were the laid back one glad to know I was right. But with all the stress lately you would have every right!

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:23 PM

Thanks I appreciate it and yeah there has been alot of stress, but I have been trying to handle it with alot of deep breathing exercises. Hopefully it will all come to an end soon. Poor Aggie cut his hand today so he's having a bad day.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:29 PM

Ouch........hope it wasn't a bad cut.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:33 PM

3 stitches and alot of frustration, mostly.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:47 PM

Poor guy finally gets to start work and already cuts his hand open.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 8:54 PM

I had a knife in my hand and then the thought of BABE crossed my mind and I nearly cut my thumb off.

BABE, YOU NEED TO GET UNDER CONTROL. IF YOU FEEL THE NEED TO GET UNDER SOMEONE'S SKIN? DEAL WITH ME. TWIGGY AND NICKEY ARE OFF LIMITS FROM NOW ON. UNDERSTAND??? Aggie

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:16 PM

Semoangel

I guess it's been a rough week all over and Aggie just caught up on SO from the other night from his latest posting. Ouch, Nickey said she kind of figured he would get mad if he went back and saw the other nights posting.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:20 PM

I don't know of any time that there has not been instability in the middle east. Funny how everything seems to be our fault.

While it is true that there has been instability in the mid-east during most of our lifetime, it is also true that we have been meddling in the mid-east for most of our lifetime. Our CIA was instrumental in the over throw of the elected prime minister of Iran in 1953. The U.S. government and the British Crown could just not stomach prime minister Mosaddeq nationalizing Iran's oil from B.P.

The good people of Iran got the U.S. backed Shah who unleashed the secret police (SAVAK) on them. Tens of thousands of people were disappeared and killed. The people lived through years of government sponsored terror. It is no wonder that they hated our government.Then they got the Ayatollah Khomeini who again was some say, CIA endorsed.

Funny how most of the people who defend the illegal acts of our government over the last several decades think our government NEVER is at fault. Being a history scholar, I think our government is being run by criminals today and has been run that way since at least after President Lincoln.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:20 PM

Aggie

I can and will respond to any public post I wish. Understand?

-- Posted by BABE on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:22 PM

Re: Gas-saving idea

Gets around to a similar idea of mandating reduced speed limits. Pffffft - this is America, by gosh - where way too many people have cancer-causing amounts of sunshine blown up their posterior about how special and unique they are.

Go ahead, make a law about cutting engines at stops and eliminating drive-thrus, about reducing speed limits - then sit back and watch how many people won't follow the law because it's meant for the simple masses, not for the 'special' people. Hmm, same line of thinking may apply to the litterbugs.

Has anyone mentioned 'rationing' yet? Go ahead, burn price-controlled fuel however you want, but when your done, you're walking. :-)~

Re: Bye, American-made

First, cute tagline. Perhaps this is another in my series of warped ways of looking at things - but it seems unbalanced that there is so much concern over this sale, yet not the same level of uproar over the China-made goods, or the 'foreign' vehicles being manufactured in Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, etc.

A foreign company builds a car in the U.S. vs. a foreign company that will be brewing a beer in the U.S. - not seeing a lot of difference other than nostalgia, tradition, etc.

Re: fixing the potholes, tackling the litter, fine the litter bums, and back to the gas-saving idea:

Had an opportunity to visit a foreign country recently (for those who haven't missed me lately), otherwise known as the Great White North.

In short - $5.50/gallon gas, about 20% across the board higher prices for groceries and the like after the U.S. - Canadian currency exchange, horrendous road conditions, a sales tax approaching 14%, but absolutely no litter no how nowhere. Just tossing this out as a point that problems themselves are universal - just a matter of which particular ones hurt worse in which areas.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:27 PM

If I hated this country as much as some, I would move.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:30 PM

Just as long as you understand its between you and I. Twiggy and Nickey are Off limits. I do not appreciate your pitefull comments. You are missing some nuts that go with that screwbrain of yours. Aggie

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:35 PM

Jsut as long as others understand, I wasn't thinking of harming with a weapon. The frustration from nutjobs out there can make a person shake. Aggie

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 9:37 PM

James,

Yeah ain't it something. I believe we are relatively on the same page. There has been instability in the middle east for over 2000 years. Now my numbers may be wrong but the premise remains the same. There has been oil coming out of the middle east for maybe 80-90 years. The US has been actively involved for maybe 60 years. We have been dependent on foreign oil for maybe 30 years or more.

OK then we have spent an inordinate amount of time, money, resources, and lives trying to stabilize a region for cheap oil. Where would we be if we would have developed alternative fuel sources here? I know that 20 years ago it was not economically feasible to pursue such technologies but I believe that is the role of the government to work in conjunction with private industry to do so. Reagan stopped programs that Carter had started during the embargo. Now I am not blaming Reagan as hindsight is 20/20. However we need a long term comprehensive energy plan in this country to devoid ourselves of foreign oil so as we are not putting our young men and women at risk for something we will never be able to control.

-- Posted by SWBG on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 10:53 PM

The people in the mid east have been fighting among themselves for 2000 plus years I don't know why some believe that peace will come there not in our life time. With a little luck the oil prices should continue to come down. What they forgot in the mid east and other parts of the world is they got to have us here in the United States because without us all the products and oil they have will stay on the selves and in the barrell. I believe our Fed Chairman got their attention this past Monday and Tuesday.

-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 11:18 PM

has anyone heard what the price of a barrel of oil is up to today?

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 11:20 PM

Suggest the challenge is to consider at what point does it become 'less costly' to support the home team - the home team being the local, regional, or national economies - as compared to seeking the true lowest immediate out-of-pocket cost provider, wherever they may be - the Middle East for oil, China for the produced or manufactured goods, and so on.

These are decisions made at given points in time, whose true consequences may not be felt for several years down the road.

Being self-sufficient on a local, regional, or national basis is a great concept - but the old Fram oil filter ad slogan comes to mind - you can pay now, or pay later.

One alternate way to look at this slogan is that 'cheaper' from whatever wherever provider certainly saves money now, but may possibly cost more later in the 'big picture' scheme of things. In other words - certain to save money now, unsure as to what the costs are later - or, pass it forward and let another administration deal with it.

The other view is that paying more now to keep things local, regional, or national - will definitely cost money now - but may save money, pain, and stress later. Or - certain to cost money now, unsure of the savings later.

In a world of instant gratification, short-sightedness, popular votes, and 'right here, right now' - the former view is likely the winner. The problem is that it is now 'later', and the tab for prior decisions needs to be squared up.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 11:32 PM

Eh, not sure on the price of oil - but the wholesale price of gasoline is down to $3.16 - from www.oilnergy.com

-- Posted by fxpwt on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 11:34 PM

I don't hate the country at all. I am and always have been a patriot. I hate what has happened to this country over the last 100 years at least. It is not a Republican or Democrat thing either. The U.S. was taken over by the fascist corporations and big bankers around the end of the 1800's and has gotten worse by the year. We have been in a near perpetual state of war for the last 100 years. The Federal Reserve Bank is a cornerstone of the communist manifesto and is turning us into a third world country.

I used to have the deluded mind set like so many still do today of "my country right or wrong." If you think that way, do you really believe that any evil, illegal, or vile thing your president or his minions do, you should go along with it or leave the country?

What if Homeland Security rounds up your friends and relatives and sends them to secret prisons some day. Will you still believe "my country right or wrong?" Where is you cut off point for cher leading the government and shouting down dissent? I draw the line at killing for profit. I don't think that's too radical.

All dictators and totalitarian governments love it when people say my country right or wrong. They also like it when people tell dissenters to "love it or leave it." Corrupt government-Propaganda works. You can see the fruits of it on forums like these all the time.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 11:34 PM

Thanks I hadn't heard today, but the last I did hear it was around $146, but I also heard that it was suppose to be dropping.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 11:40 PM

fxpwt,

To put oil in the same context as other consumer goods is a fallacy. Many of the goods manufactured overseas are indeed from companies in the US. These companies went elsewhere to keep prices down. We cannot do the same with oil. Sweet crude lies best in the middle east. It is less costly to refine and extract.

Should other goods made say in China cost suddenly rise to an unacceptable level then we simply find a place elsewhere to manufacture these goods. In fact just as many of these goods were once made in Japan as the cost of living increases in China these goods will be produced elsewhere...Africa perhaps. You cannot do the same with oil. At least not the quality that is in the middle east.

-- Posted by SWBG on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 11:43 PM

Okay, you have only hated the United States for 100 years. Just how old are you anyway?

I am glad that people who believe that our country is the problem are free to speak their dissatisfaction openly. I am disappointed that so many of them get elected...

-- Posted by bobby62914 on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 11:45 PM

Of course you don't; sure you are. Keep saying that to yourself but I ain't buying it.

-- Posted by Alt Ctrl Del on Sat, Jul 19, 2008, at 11:51 PM

prudentdriver,

this may be a stupid question, but what is your avatar suppose to be? Sorry I have been wanting to know this for a while and can't figure it out.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 12:08 AM

President Bush the elder said in speeches appropriately enough on the dates 9/11/90 and again the next year on 9/11/91 that he wants a New World Order run by the U.N. He assured us that it was going to happen and guess what? He was right.

But what he didn't tell us in those speeches was that in order to have a New World Order, the Old World Order had to be destroyed. And guess what again? The U.S.is being destroyed day by day because we were the power of the old world order. There simply cannot be a new one world government with a strong America in place. So they have been depleting our resources through endless war. They are crashing the value of our homes and our money on purpose. They have sent our good paying jobs out of the country and promised us it was for our own good. They are on purpose r aping us with energy and food prices so we will beg them for a solution.( the old problem-reaction-solution scam )

I contend, that the Bushes, the Clintons, the Kennedy's, and all of the other powerful and corrupt corporations, politicians, bankers, and military leaders are the real haters of America.( I'm not saying everyone in those groups are evil )) They long for the New World Order so they have to destroy this once great country first. They have no loyalty to America. I think their loyalty is to their god and that's not the God to whom we pray.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 12:11 AM

I forgot to add the You Tube clips of Bush the first talking about the New World Order. Look at his eyes when he speaks. You tell me what he wants if it doesn't mean tearing our country down? The speech clips are on a couple of minutes, but I know that some deluded people won't even take the time to listen to a former president talk about the destruction of the U.S. and the supremacy of the United Nations. This monster talks with glee about blue helmeted troops going from country to country to restore"order." Won't it be nice when they are marching down the streets in your neighborhood?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12R...

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 12:26 AM

Aggiefan,

It looks like high quality marijuana to me. However, I am not an expert.

-- Posted by bobby62914 on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 12:28 AM

InfoWarrior ,

..i don't think the 'blue helmet' folks

will get a friendly greeting back here in

the hills . we know the territory and we

have weapons ...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 12:30 AM

thanks bobby, since I don't have experience with that I'll take your word for it.

Good night all.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 12:53 AM

Well Bobby I guess I could say that my gene pool is at least as old as the Revolutionary War. Both sides of my parents ancestry are documented freedom fighters in the American Revolution. My father was a Puple Heart Army vet during WW1 and I was wounded in Viet-Nam. I still carry a souvenir of that war in my body every day.

But I understand how some people just can't get enough war. War is good for business. Of course it sells alot of bombs, bullets, tanks, ships, and planes, but it also sells alot of beer and pizza. You just can't watch those bombs falling and bullets flying on FOX and CNN without some cold beer and hot pizza. Oh yes, American flags made in communist China sell real well too when a good war is playing on the tube. Who needs peace? Peace is for losers. There's not that much profit in peace anyway. Peace s*cks. War rocks!

"although dripping with sarcasm, he still feels nothing but saddness. Not anger at his fellow brain-washed citizens, but pity."

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 12:55 AM

Rick, I hope and pray that you are right. If the blue helmets march down our streets I hope we take them out. But I am so afraid that most people will just lay down their arms.

Thousand of preachers throughout the nation have been trained in seminars to tell their church members to turn in their guns in a national disaster. something about Romans 13 or something like that. I am not a big Bible scholar, but i think it implies that people need to obey the government no matter what.

I suppose if that's true, then if Bush tells people to kill their first born, then they will do it because God told them to in Romans 13 and besides that, 'my country right or wrong." Right?

All gun owners and other liberty lovers MUST watch this short news clip about gun confiscation.http://www.livevideo.com/video/Conspirac...

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 1:07 AM

prudentdriver: I checked out the link--looks interesting, and begging one of the Guru Sons to look at it and advise me. Thanks.

InfoWarrior: I checked out your link, too. Rather scary--in fact, very frightening, in the context you are speaking of--and when I reflect upon some world history.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sun, Jul 20, 2008, at 1:29 AM


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