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Speak Out 7/17/08Thursday, July 17, 2008Smoking example WITH ALL the time, money and effort put into stopping substance abuse, how does the city, with its extensive and positive youth programs, tolerate folks with their lawn chair pulled up to the screens watching youth ball leagues and puffing on cigarettes in front of our young players? This is a disgrace and counter to all we're trying to do with health programs for children. Fireworks and guns IF YOU think having fireworks shot at you or your house is bad, try having someone shooting a pistol at your house. Nobody will do anything about that, so good luck with the fireworks. Nation of whiners PHIL GRAMM was right when he said Americans are a bunch of whiners. When we have hurricanes, floods or other natural disasters, all we do is wait for the federal government to take care of us. Our country has become a nation of babies. Wouldn't our forefathers be proud to see us now? Thanks for buggy rides I WANT to thank Floyd Penny for giving horse buggy rides to people during the Central High School 1950s reunion. This was generous. This man has done a lot for this community. It's good to have a leader like this. He was the hit of the reunion. I just wanted to say how grateful we all are for him. Zoning issue I AM a longtime resident of Old Sprigg Street Road. Once again we have come under fire due to one or two individuals. I attended a planning and zoning commission meeting July 9. One new resident wants to change zoning to R-4 in a well-established R-1 area. Twenty-three residents were opposed. The commission turned down the rezoning request for further study. All board members were fair except for one. Basically, he told everyone at the meeting that, to maintain the lifestyle they have been living, they should move out of the city limits. Why can one individual dictate the lives of so many in this town? I have children who, I hope, will have a future in this town. I don't believe his narrow mind can handle the city that I foresee for them. Dutchtown highways WE CAN'T keep bailing out Dutchtown every time it floods. The powers that be are so worried about keeping Highway 74 and Highway 25 open. Why aren't they helping Dutchtown come up with the money for a levee? It makes sense to me that Dutchtown would be doing them a favor by pitching in half the money. Come on, highway department, pitch in your part. Smoke affliction I AM a nonsmoker who is allergic to residue left by cigarettes or tobacco smoke. I've had it rough for more than 50 years of breathing secondhand smoke. Until recently I've been able to get a prescription for the swelling that it causes in my air passages. I wonder who in the world has the right to afflict this on someone. Bright future WHOEVER WINS the presidential election, the ideologues will have been marginalized as never before. The center will have been strengthened beyond all expectations, the country will come together as it never has in recent history and we will enter an era of good feelings lasting a generation. Big accomplishment I AM glad that a hometown boy can make it so big on the national stage. I speak, of course, of Rush Limbaugh. He is a great American who is living the American dream. I bet everyone wishes they could accomplish what he has accomplished. Way to go, Rush. Comments  Note: The nature of the Internet makes it impractical for our staff to review every comment. If you feel that a comment is offensive, please Login or Create an account first, and then you will be able to flag a comment as objectionable. Please also note that those who post comments on semissourian.com may do so using a screen name, which may or may not reflect a website user's actual name. Readers should be careful not to assign comments to real people who may have names similar to screen names. Refrain from obscenity in your comments, and to keep discussions civil, don't say anything in a way your grandmother would be ashamed to read.
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good morning everyone
Smoke affliction :
i won't smoke if you won't wear that $1.99
perfume or f.a.r.t. ........
Rush certainly has accomplished quite a lot, but I'm not sure I would want to be as arrogant and negative as he has become. I watched his television program while I was in college and have enjoyed listening to him on the radio from time to time but he has become too arrogant for my ears to listen to. He makes some great points but his presentation could use some work
Good one, Rick.Scaggs
Great Accomplishment: Oh, you bet! I have always wished I could be married and divorced a few times, not to mention be addicted to a prescription narcotic. I have always wanted to be bald, fat, and have a big mouth.
good morning everyone
Twiggy
morning twiggy
morning everyone
rick
well said. I hate going into a place and encountering someone who thinks the purpose of perfume or cologne is to take a bath in it.
Nation of Whiners:
I am guessing you voiced your objections to all of the hard work by the FEDERAL Army Corps of Engineers recently to keep our region from drowning? Sorry, but part of the purpose of government is to serve the public and accomplish tasks that we cannot do individually.
Smoking example:Be still and enjoy the game.Don't be a busy body!
Smoking affliction:I totally doubt your troubles are
caused by cigarette smoke alone!Quit complaining and
stay out of places where smoking is present.
Well I will see you people later gotta run to St. Louis for the day.
Twiggy
a question i heard on the radio this morning but
never got the answer .
what is the hardest discussion to have with
your parents ?
Rick,
Homosexualality was one of my most difficult discussions!Not meaning to offend anyone here
ofcourse.
..i would think telling them that ur dying from
an uncurable disease should rank right up there too..
rick
that call from jail is always a tough one.
Sorry to be a whiner but this ain't good.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/business/stories.nsf/story/74053D32D90735D986257489005344DD?OpenDocument
I can sympathize with the person who commented on smoke and being allergic to it. I am also severely allergic to smoke, especially that of cigarettes. However, perfumes also bother me a lot!! While I agree that people should be more self conscious about perfume, I can ask to be moved to another area of the establishment I am patronizing or wherever, but cigarette smoke is totally different. It lingers in the air and goes over to the non-smoking area. I don't like smelling like nasty cigarette smoke, nor do I wish for my children to smell either. At least the perfume is not blown in your face! People just need to be more curteous whether its in regard to smoking or perfume.
Rick,
I think that discussion would only take place long
after you have left the nest.I assumed you meant as
a child or teenager.However,any discussion concerning
your untimely death would be very difficult at any age.
SWBG
this ain't good , it ain't good at all .
my sis is a big wig at that place , i hope
it doesn't affect her or her job ...
Ike,I read your post concerning the Corps!
please explain to me how they kept us from drowning.
Its my opinion that they screw more things up than
they fix.
SWBG: Thanks for the link. Part of my retirement is through AG Edwards. I have been getting my retirement check on schedule each month. Just have to wait and see what happens.
Shaking my head at some of the comments today. Some people really do need to mind their own business.
Smoking example,
I believe ball games are played OUTSIDE! WT~fill in the blank~~ If you don't like it, Take control of your life, REMOVE YOURSELF and your children from the situation if YOU don't like it.
Nation of whiners,
I'm sick of hearing/reading WHINERS whining about others whining! No doubt a comment by a conservative as they group ALL liberals (ie whiners) in one lump. Shades of gray folks, nothing is NOT black and white!
Smoke affliction,
I'm allergic to the sun, bee stings, poison ivy and walnuts. The NERVE of mother nature, those who serve walnuts, plant flowers (which attract bees) etc to "affict" this on someone! ~sarcasm~ Your issue is that YOU think the world evolves around YOU. Take control of your life and REMOVE YOURSELF from the situation if YOU can not tolerate it.
Rick,
I call BS. You enjoy a good f.a.r.t. more than most people I know!
Eh...sorry about the typos...double negatives etc. Haven't been watching/reading the news for over a week. Thanks SWBG...guess I need to be catching up on what is going on in the finacial market place.
inallthingsgivethanks,
Honestly, the "smoking discussion" grows tiresome...but since you appear to me new to the forum...will restate a point.
WHY don't you choose to go places that offer non-smoking? Problem will then be solved. As far as outdoors, research indicates that you must be closer than 3 feet to a person smoking for it to offer long term health affects on a "health" individual.
I agree not all smokers consider others, however...non-smokers can be quite rude. For example, smoking sitting on a park bench...non-smoker chooses to sit beside smoker, when other options are available. Non-smoker proceeds to make faces and wave their hand or even bravely say something really stupid. Sorry, I'm a very considerate smoker however, I really WANT to blow smoke in a non-smokers face IF they behave like that.
Melange,
I was waiting for you to chime in on this smoking issue.Well done girl.Even as a non smoker I agree
with you completely.I guess I am a minority cause
often times I kinda like the smell of cigarettes burning.
And by the way,I thought I was the only one around these parts allergic to walnuts!Shell fish will kill
me too!
I see two comments about smoking today. Hence, there must be another petition to ban smoking coming around the bend.
Smoking "Debate":
Good grief, not AGAIN! Don't like smoking; leave like I do. If it is absolutely not possible for you to leave ask the smoker politely to refrain and explain your situation. Civility and reason go a long way and I am sure they will accommodate you. That will be five dollars for solving "your problem".
Top of the morning to y'all (literally for me, since I didn't get to bed 'til after 3 a.m.!). What can I do to wreck your bright, sunny day? I wonder if you're familiar with one of my "RMS" Maintainers' mottos: If it ain't broke, I can break it; if you think it's broke, call me, I'll make sure your fears are confirmed; if you don't want it broke, don't call me, I'll find it and bust it anyway!!
Ooops. I think I was asking how I could ruin your day. Oh! Got it. Just remembered, it's TEST day. So stand by, I'll rustle it up for ya. Be forewarned, though, it's more than a screen-filler, as I'm still screwing (I think I can get away with that version of the hardware word, per my previous test!) around trying to win the coveted MJB Bloviation Award!! So if ya ain't got the time to mess with the bloviation-for-fun stuff, go staight to the questions, which are almost kinda-sorta serious.
And an up-front Disclaimer or advanced apology to Pups & Red_Rhino, if deemed necessary. I simply addressed them by name in the coming test, basically to acknowledge and thank them for some rather honest and thought-provoking bantering about that concept, or principle, of the "need to know" issue we've played with; it's really just a "rule-of-thumb" rather than a written rule, regulation, or law that may help keep some folks out of trouble. Anyway, enjoy...or not...your call!
BIG-TIME DISCLAIMER Up-front: Mostly for fun ---Don't take personally---anyone!
Pups & Red_Rhino:
It's Friday (at least it is for me, 'cause tomorrow I'm outta here to St. L!) and, therefore, it's TEST TIME(!) as promised per my post last night (8:13 p.m.)...see said post for background info, disclaimers, caveats, etc. It has come to my attention that some folks may feel it is not necessarily any big deal, possibly even cute, to snoop and blab in certain environments where you may or may not be welcome, whether they be military or civilian. In due albeit benevolent consideration of such attitudes, I felt it would be interesting if not a hoot to devise a small, but thought-provoking test to determine how one may feel, or emote....or even whine, if one suddenly found oneself in a predicament, in a civilian environment, whereby some authority other than oneself has deemed there is no "need to know" (or snoop) and, in fact severe consequences for said snooping will be applied forthwith. Also, the "need to know" concept, or principle, is really expected to be a question asked of oneself (usurping a little of Pups action again!), if not others, and not exactly a written rule or regulation as such...at least as far as I can recall. There, this should suffice as background info & incentive for the test.
Pups:
Please bear in mind that the test below is not for the purpose of focusing on you personally, not to mention embarrassing you in any way. It's simply easier for me to address one or two individuals for the purposes of this test rather than a whole, unruly mob! Plus, I'm somewhat aware of your civilian place of toil...or profession, to be more respectful. So, with your hospital as an example of a "civilian" entity, might I assume, just for cruds & grins, that you may or may not have access to certain sensitive info, systems, procedures, etc, in which a violation of trust on your part might possibly result in rather severe consequences? Hmmm? And take me for a further example of a >>civilian<< non-paid volunteer function. Do you think I'm willing to take risks with the acquisition and/or dissemination of sensitive info on persons or agencies I'm dealing with, without regard for possible retribution? I can assure you that I'm not reckless enough to forfeit what could be my honor, property, or possibly even freedom with such messing around and taking any crazy chances. So, just something to keep in mind during the test, which is quite short in relation to my bloviating for fun here.
Test Rules: Quite simple. Basically no cheating or disruptive behavior...and honesty, even if only to yourself, is preferred. Failure to comply may result in a presence behind you (that might likely be G-Mom!). Consider the potential of only two options for the above discrepancies: 1). A light tap to the shoulder suggests you should behave yourself; 2). A strong sensation of being yanked out of your chair by your collar, spanked, then dragged to the Principal's office definitely implies you're in deep stinky stuff! And if the Principal deems it necessary to turn you over to Instructor for "appropriate processing" well, I suggest you visit my caveat in last night's post. Other than that, Mrs Lincoln, enjoy the test and, better luck this time than you had at the play!
NOTE: From this point on, all jocularity and general messing around will hereby cease. Consider each question as deadly serious (as they potentially could be in the real world) regarding how it has or could impact you in a civilian organizational environment; disregard any military affiliation during this exam. REMINDER: You are NOT OBLIGATED to answer any question which makes you feel uncomfortable (but begging the question: Then why bother at all?); however, again, I suggest you visit the special caveat (In Disclaimer section) in last night's post for your further edification. Please also note that the test is graded on a pass-fail basis; there are no "E, all the above" options...except for me, as I'm the test administrator! Test failures will be summarily referred to Instructor for ...well, you know the drill by now!
General test instructions: Please answer each question honestly and to the best of your ability; a simple yes or no is sufficient...shouldn't be too disabling. Note also that there is an "Explanation Optional" (EO) opportunity following most questions, for providing further details if you wish - >>but not required...well, of course, don't we all have a "need to know??! This exam is open to anyone who is willing to participate, not exclusive to Pups or Red_Rhino. Relax &Enjoy!
BEGIN TEST -- Possible Applications of the "Need to Know" Concept...or Principle, if you will.
1). Have you ever had your phone tapped and recorded? (EO):
2). Have you ever had your mail intercepted, tampered with, or even confiscated ? (EO):
3). Have you ever had your home covertly entered or placed under surveillance? (EO):
4). Have you ever been aware that you were being followed, or stalked; clarification, by some sort of "law enforcement official", vice a potential criminal type? (EO):
5). Have you ever had your personal documents, such as records, tampered with or confiscated against your will or knowledge? (EO):
6). Have you ever experienced "close friends" or "trusted co-workers" suddenly shy away from you as if you were afflicted with some sort of hideous disease (typical in many organizations, if trouble is sensed...clarifies who your real friends are)?
7). Have you ever observed new neighbors quickly move in next door (not to mention discover they have also been conveniently placed near your usual work station for observation), then suddenly "befriend" you and start asking questions and checking your home in a suspicious manner? (EO):
8). Have you ever been interrogated by complete, and rotating, "official" strangers without any explanation of your rights...yet be expected to comply and answer correctly...the way they expect of you? (EO):
9). Have you ever been moved or reassigned to somewhere that you knew was not right, or even legal, but had to comply anyway, without question? (EO):
10). Have you ever been told to relocate/transfer to a different geographic area, and prepare for the move, then suddenly be diverted to an entirely different local at the last minute with no recourse...and later to find that you've been illegally moved, but "so what?" is your only explanation from organizational superiors? (EO):
11). Have you ever been forced to separate from your closest loved one (e.g., spouse), and essentially taken out of control of you affairs, for an extended period and lied to about why? (EO):
12). Have you ever found out after the fact that others were "encouraged" by an organization to falsely testify or compose damaging false statements about you
13). Has any of the above been experienced by your loved one(s), and you were basically helpless to rectify the situation? (EO):
14). Has your life been severely impacted and/or permanently changed by any of the above (e.g., resulted in divorce, financial difficulties like forced bankruptcy, etc)? (EO):
15). Have you ever experienced the frustration of demanding to know why any of the above was happening to you, only to be told that you do not have a (OK, here it is) "need to know" or, perhaps, "it's for the needs of the organization"? (EO):
16). Have you ever experienced any of the above without even the benefit of your rights being read to you? (EO):
17). Do you honestly believe none of the above could even happen to you in a civilian environment if you pressed-to-test by sticking your nose where it doesn't belong, or even if "the organization" has perceived you've stuck it where THEY think it doesn't belong.
18). Do you think it would be fun, novel, or even cute to experience any of the above?
19). Do you truly believe you can adequately defend yourself or your loved ones from any of the above...especially if they hit you out of the blue, with no chance to adequately prepare your defenses?
20). Care to "press-to-test" for any of the above consequences by getting yourself into to something you don't have a need to be in? (EO - but specify):
21). (for fun & to lighten things up a bit) Have you ever experienced the compulsion to choke the living "chit" (uh, er, that paper stuff!) out of someone who desperately needs it, because they caused any of the above to happen to you? (EO - We all definitely have a "need to know" curiosity about this one!!!):
END TEST There now, that should do for a sampler. And if any of you smart-Alpha yahoos out there want ask if I've experienced any of the above, I can essentially preempt your inquiry by answering "E, virtually all the above" and to one degree or another, mostly in the military, but some in a civilian environment. Motto here: There is a time/purpose for snooping, and a time for blinders...or else bend over and prepare to receive incoming consequences!!
EXTRA CREDIT ASSIGNMENT: Pups (as an example...question applies to anyone who can be honest...like Pups), do you know of any sane person at your hospital who might have the brass sphericals to "press-to-test" by getting into sensitive areas just for grins and to see what some of the consequences might be if they get caught at it? Would you care to try?? I think you have way to much smarts for nonsense like that. Even so, imagine the fun you can have (above) if even your organization thinks you've been messing around where you should not have been, or worse, if someone you thought you trusted accused you thereof. I figured that by at least virtually bringing some of what I know by experience can and does happen in the military into your civilian environment, then just maybe I could demonstrate that it can just as easily happen to you too...but perhaps not as severely. Who really knows, until "it" hits the fan?
Well, if nothing else, it's been fun, if not a useful lark in some odd way. Class Dismissed. Enjoy your weekend...if not more so than you should "have a need to"! Herr(ball) clumsily out.
This may seem redundant, but the smokers on here still aren't listening, so I shall endeavor to explain yet one more time.
Yes, I can choose not to patronize smoking establishments. Yes, I can leave when you "light up". And yes, I probably can be just as rude.
But....why do you have the right to run me out of a business? Your logic would indicate I can share your space, but when you feel the urge, then because of your rights, I must be the one to leave.
It is more than just YOUR pleasure, it is everyone else's health and well being. We ALL have rights and no one's should supersede everyone else!
Herr (I laugh in the face of danger) Hauptman,
Interesting. Just a thought, "Watergate".
I will take your test and may or may not post the results, but it may not be relevant as I worked for a Department in state government that you really hope you never had to access their services.
No offense intended, just playing along.
Theorist,
Good points, but this may be a "chicken and egg" debate with no solution. There is a saying to the effect that my right to swing my fist ends where your nose begins. How are we to decide whose "rights" or more properly "freedoms" are preeminent?
For clarification only, I am a non smoker.
Theorist,
No one has the right to run you out of a business. It is your choice. However your decision not to smoke should not infringe on the business owner to restrict the rights of those who choose to smoke. That is the business owners decision and not the government. If said business owner is losing money due to his establishment catering to smokers then said business owner may want to change the policy. Money is a powerful tool, more so than government regulations.
Herr,
I answered "NO" to every question but #2 (sometimes the wife confiscates and opens my mail...especially if there is potential money involved).
I guess I am one of those who don't need to know much of anything.
Herr
I was investigated by the FBI early in the Clinton administration. If you remember, there were many scandals of FBI files being stolen and protestors being audited by the IRS.
Anyway, there were few large national chat rooms at that time; Compuserve, AOL and Prodigy were essentially the only ones other than local boards. I was a regular poster on the political boards with Prodigy and this brought about my investigation. I don't recall anyone ever threatening the president but there were many discussions of his criminality.
One day my supervisor at work called me in and told me I should stay off the computer. I asked it it was interfering with my job and he said 'no, but it would be for your own good'. Over one year later this same supervisor told me that the FBI had questioned him and my boss. Evidently the FBI found me benign because I never got a knock on my door. Yes, it can happen to anyone .
I do not know the answer either, but I suspect it may come to declaring an establishment as either smoking or smoke-free. You can't have it both ways, for we all know that the smoke and it's effects do not stay on just one side of the room.
The debate is not unlike the pro-choice, pro-life dilemma. Do we take the rights of some to protect the rights of others? When is it fair? Is it a moral choice or a secured choice?
GREYWOLF,
Regarding the smoking issue, normally try to skim over smoking comments anymore. Guessing I'm a little sensitive after several weeks of non-smoking company. Some would still gripe about the smoke even if you go out to ten-buck-two to accomodate their sensitivity. Ugh!
Regarding the walnut allergy, I never realized "what" caused my mouth to break out in sores until a girl friend advised her boys were allergic and that their mouth breaks out. I still choose to eat them on occasion...cause I like them. Kind of like my flower gardens...know it is not great for me...but some things are worth the price you pay...only live once.
Herr,
The answer to your each of questions...I don't think so...at least I hope I never done anything to cause that kind of attention.
Theorist,
All I have to add to your comment is that you seem to be forgetting the OWNER's rights to a smoking establishments. Currently, (in the state of MO and Cape Girardeau ordinances) owners have the LAW on their side...they can offer their service to both groups. Again, non-smokers CAN take responsibility for their own health and do what they feel needs to be done. As long as it is a legal activity, non-smokers don't have a good stance.
Herr,
In looking at your test, it seems the questions were put forth to make a point and espouse a point of view or belief rather than to elicit information from individuals. If you are trying to tell us to mind our own d--- business because we don't "need to know" certain things and if we inquire in the wrong places we will be whisked away by government goons, I think I will pass on this one. With all due respects of course.
My answers would be yes to most of them.
Non smokers may not like the smell of smoke (I'm guessing they don't have a wood burning fireplace or build a fire when camping) but in no way does second hand smoke effect their health. If you read long term medical studies (British, for one) instead of the short term USA Environmental Protection Agency study, you would know this.
MeLange
Are you saying that you go out of your OWN home to smoke when you have company?
Red:
Absolutely no offense taken. Keep in mind I'm just having a little (er, maybe that should be huge!) bloviating fun, if not testing my sanity(!) because, as of tomorrow, probably won't have much of a chance for causing trouble the rest of the weekend. Oh, and if you're implying that the "department" that you worked for is an IRS or State Dept. of Rev type agency, I've got a nifty letter from IRS (which also applies to the state) which basically says..."don't bother filing income tax returns". Neat, huh?!
SWBG:
Trust me. There was a time when I sure as hell wished I could have been in your shoes! Hope your status remains that way.
C-Babe:
Interesting. And, with respect, what can happen to you in a civie setting, vice military or even high government positions, is what I'm really curious about with this little (oops, I should say, bloated bloviating) project!
poppa
If my company doesn't like smoke they can go outside while I smoke. It's my home, not theirs.
Rush is just like most SE Missouians.....Republician
There are rules in our world, but they don't include them.....Just everyone else....God isn't laughing
Mel:
Give it time. You seem like a youngun. If that be the case, ya got plenty of time to get youself into some sort of fun trouble!!
KCPO:
I think you kinda-sorta broke the not-so-hidden intention pertaining to what I'm up to...besides having a little fun. I don't need or want personal Intel on anyone...just curious as to whether or not they can find themselves in similar predicaments, even it they think they're doing innocent things. And another good point, somewhat regarding a portion of the 1ST Ammendment which is seldom talked about in a positive way, "...to petition the government for a redress of grievances". But even a big caveat there, which burned me too; even filing FOIA/PA cases against "the gov't" got me in heap-big trouble...so much for "rights" in some respects. But thanks for your input!
Mac:
Wow! You seem clean enough by be recommended for one of them thar angel types!! And I really hear ya on Q-21...at least it's a fun consideration at times, even though there's no doubt a city ordinance or two frowning on such stress-relieving behavior!!!
non-smokers don't have a good stance.
-- Posted by Me'Lange on Thu, Jul 17, 2008, 1:06 pm CDT
That's definitely debatable! LOL
Herr,
Per your test,
1-5, 7-11, 14-16, 18-20 are all NO.
6,12,13,17, and 21 are a Yes.
And yes with my occupation I have access to information that I am required by law to keep to myself. Sharing said information without permission or 'for the fun' of it could get me fired. And I have been asked 'why' I accessed certain info, but by showing it was within my duties to do so, no reprecussions for accessing said info.
but in no way does second hand smoke effect their health.
- posted by Babe
Again LOL, tell that to my neighbor. He smoked for 25 years and guess what his wife's death was attributed to....second-hand smoke. Obviously it is your choice, but you DO NOT have the right to force it on the rest of the world.
Melange....The Owner has the right to do anything as long as it follows the law. Agreed? That is exactly my point with new legislation. Perhaps we are not communicating or I am negligent in expressing my opinion clearly. You do seem a "bit testy" though.
Mac:
Ha! Pretty neat. Sometimes I wish I could sport a record like that!
The Feds are opening up 3.8 million acres for drilling in Alaska. Envionmentalists have tied it up for years but now I think they will be beaten down. Since this announcement yesterday, oil prices have dropped.
Thank you, President Bush.
Little_Mac,
You are correct, but so far I have managed to miss out on any 'leg breaking', but have known some that were not so lucky. And it was because of their stupidity in the first place.
This smoking thing is really getting old. It seems like no matter what someone chooses to do there is always someone else standing there complaining that it goes against their rights for one thing or another. I smoke but I do not smoke in my house, cars etc because of my kids. When the kids are grown and gone then I will smoke in my house and will continue to go outside and smoke when I have company that does not smoke. If I go to a restaraunt then I sit in the smoking section that is provided by the restaraunt. If you do not want to be around smoke then don't come to that restaraunt and go to one that has banned the smokers. They took our right away from us to smoke in that establishment so why complain you lost yours by allowing us to smoke in another one. If you are outside then go to the other end of the bleachers and don't sit right by someone who is smoking. Kids are going to do it if they want to whether the parents smoke or not. It is called peer pressure. Neither or my parents smoke and yet I started in high school because all of my friends were doing it. All I can do is tell my kids all the negatives concerning it and hope they don't do the same thing. Get a life and quit trying to control everyone else's.
Theorist
Was that on his wife's death certificate?
Theorist,
I am "bit testy". LMAO Seriously, I have no problem with a smoking ban like IL, 15 or 20 feet from an entrance. However, non-smokers won't be happy stopping with that...they will like the outdoor designated smoking area or "witch" about having to walk by the smokers standing out in the rain...and continue their inconsideration of others by forcing (via govt) "their" rights by disrespecting smokers rights.
Guess what I'm saying, perhaps non-smokers should behave some what thankful for ALL the priveleges smokers have already given up? I'm only 45 and I can recall smoking at my unsegregated desk, smoking in the mall, and most public locations. Don't recall a whole lot of folks "witching" back then about how bad smoke smelled either.
Going to the farmer's market. Have a great day all.
Herr,
No, nothing so esoteric as one of those Departments, interesting story, at least to me. I once was assigned to a metropolitan area and was told to go to meet with an IRS Intelligence Officer, my first thought was what an oxymoron. He gave me specific directions on how to get to the office as it was not listed as such. I went to the Federal Building, counted doors knocked and was allowed in then was taken through a series of other doors no doubt to confuse me to meet the Officer. His office walls had B27 targets on the walls with marksmanship trophies sitting around. As we had mutual friends, he showed me around to their "friendly" interrogation room with fully stocked bar; didn't see the "unfriendly" one if they had it. Everyone I met there was very friendly and matter of fact about what they did and I definitely heard things I did not want to know whether I "needed" to know is another thing. And no, the meeting was not about me as he was helping me out with something related to my job. That was many years ago and I don't know anything about their operations now; don't want to know, but I gotta admit there are some things the average citizen really never knows or maybe I was just young and naive.
Disclaimer: The above is for entertainment purposes only and may only be a figment of the writer's imagination with no discernible meaning.
Pups:
Pretty interesting. Thanks. One thought that's becoming more prominent with this exercise is that, wow, the biggest freakout can be when one gets into deep "stuff" without even thinking they're doing anything wrong. Could almost give ya a "mindache"!!
Herr,
"fun trouble!!" hehe...Sounds like a plan! Well, hoping there are some tomatoes and green peppers with Me'Langes name on them....I'm hungry for an Italian basil/tomoto/pepper salad (I gots the basil in a flower box already)...thinking a brats or maybe a BLT on the side. :-)~
anyone got a light ?
()___)___________)
Rick, Careful...I think your smoke is blowing in the cyber non-smoking section! hehe
Theorist
Obama chain smokes!
Something I have always found interesting is the fact that both my Grandmothers smoked non filtered cigs all but the first 14 years of their lives.One lived to 96 the other 89.My Father has smoked since he was a teen and he is now 76 in good health and still working full time.As a matter of fact all but a few of my relatives
(uncles,aunts)smoke and are still here with us today.Perhaps cancer and other health issues are nothing more than destiny!Most of the people I have known who have or had cancer did NOT smoke.However,cigarette smoking MAY cause cancer so says the surgeon general.In my opinion STRESS is the biggest contributor to cancer.As we all know stress comes in many different forms.The best way to stay healthy is to reduce any stress you may have.This ofcourse is just the Wolf's opinion.
Herr,
Per your "test".
1). Have you ever had your phone tapped and recorded? (EO)? Not my personal phone.
2). Have you ever had your mail intercepted, tampered with, or even confiscated? (EO): Yes, all mail was opened by CAO or designee prior to delivery.
3). Have you ever had your home covertly entered or placed under surveillance? (EO): Yes, under surveillance, but not entered.
4). Have you ever been aware that you were being followed, or stalked; clarification, by some sort of "law enforcement official", vice a potential criminal type? (EO): Yes, LEO and criminal.
5). Have you ever had your personal documents, such as records, tampered with or confiscated against your will or knowledge? (EO): Not against my will, but how would I know if it was without my knowledge; just kidding, no.
6). Have you ever experienced "close friends" or "trusted co-workers" suddenly shy away from you as if you were afflicted with some sort of hideous disease (typical in many organizations, if trouble is sensed...clarifies who your real friends are)? Yes
7). Have you ever observed new neighbors quickly move in next door (not to mention discover they have also been conveniently placed near your usual work station for observation), then suddenly "befriend" you and start asking questions and checking your home in a suspicious manner? (EO): No
8). Have you ever been interrogated by complete, and rotating, "official" strangers without any explanation of your rights...yet be expected to comply and answer correctly...the way they expect of you? (EO): No
9). Have you ever been moved or reassigned to somewhere that you knew was not right, or even legal, but had to comply anyway, without question? (EO): No
10). Have you ever been told to relocate/transfer to a different geographic area, and prepare for the move, then suddenly be diverted to an entirely different local at the last minute with no recourse...and later to find that you've been illegally moved, but "so what?" is your only explanation from organizational superiors? (EO): No
11). Have you ever been forced to separate from your closest loved one (e.g., spouse), and essentially taken out of control of you affairs, for an extended period and lied to about why? (EO): No
12). Have you ever found out after the fact that others were "encouraged" by an organization to falsely testify or compose damaging false statements about you? No
13). Has any of the above been experienced by your loved one(s), and you were basically helpless to rectify the situation? (EO): She works for the Federal Government…
14). Has your life been severely impacted and/or permanently changed by any of the above (e.g., resulted in divorce, financial difficulties like forced bankruptcy, etc)? (EO): No, I live by the adage, “Illigitimi Non Carborundum”.
15). Have you ever experienced the frustration of demanding to know why any of the above was happening to you, only to be told that you do not have a (OK, here it is) "need to know" or, perhaps, "it's for the needs of the organization"? (EO): Expressed frustration, but policy mandated an explanation.
16). Have you ever experienced any of the above without even the benefit of your rights being read to you? (EO): No, required by policy.
17). Do you honestly believe none of the above could even happen to you in a civilian environment if you pressed-to-test by sticking your nose where it doesn't belong, or even if "the organization" has perceived you've stuck it where THEY think it doesn't belong? A plane could fall on my house, but it ain’t likely.
18). Do you think it would be fun, novel, or even cute to experience any of the above? See above.
19). Do you truly believe you can adequately defend yourself or your loved ones from any of the above...especially if they hit you out of the blue, with no chance to adequately prepare your defenses? No, but see 17.
20). Care to "press-to-test" for any of the above consequences by getting yourself into to something you don't have a need to be in? (EO - but specify): NA as I am retired, but who is to determine my “need to know”?
21). (for fun & to lighten things up a bit) Have you ever experienced the compulsion to choke the living "chit" (uh, er, that paper stuff!) out of someone who desperately needs it, because they caused any of the above to happen to you? (EO - We all definitely have a "need to know" curiosity about this one!!!): Yes and there isn’t room for my answer.
Red:
Now that's a pretty neat story...if not a bit spooky. I especially like the part about the "friendly" & "unfriendly" interrogation rooms...kinda like "good-cop/bad-cop" stuff! I didn't get the "pleasure" of visiting those friendly rooms but, rather one of those types like you see in the movies: Small, drab, and square, with a little table, two metal chairs on each side (oh, yeah, can't leave out the bare lightbulb overhead)...and a stern looking OSI agent staring at ya, sometimes with another agent standing at the door with his arms folded menacingly. Kinda was "inspired" to tell 'em what they wanted to hear...although I kinda didn't, especially regarding the location of the original report I was ordered to produce (still have it!); torqued them off just a bit. Fun stuff, huh?!!
Greywolf:
Excellent advice in the form of an "opinion"! My Dad smoked most of his life until the end...died in his sleep (no cancer, and active to his last day), age 84. And I sure could have used more of that basic stress advice about 20 years ago!!
Herr,
I am always skeptical of these kinds of stories myself and am not sure I would have believed it if someone else had told me. The Department I worked for has changed enormously and most of what I did is no longer allowed though the statutory authority to do so still exists. One of the individuals discussed was Nicholas Civella.
I believe I understand your position on "need to know", just don't know that I agree. I have seen too much fraud if not outright corruption and been told when I voiced objections that it was none of my business to fully embrace it. Anyone familiar with LEAC, LEAP, Title XX and other Federal Grants/Programs can tell you all about it, but there aren't many of those around anymore.
Oh well, sometimes old people talk too much. Out
Rick, Careful...I think your smoke is blowing in the cyber non-smoking section! hehe
-- Posted by Me'Lange on Thu, Jul 17, 2008, 2:42 pm CDT
Now this is funny!
Curious if anyone has thoughts on Wayne Wallingford...running for State representative 158th.
BABE, I "can" have a sense of humor...once in awhile. LOL BTW...Farmers market was packed and lots of good stuff...new potatoes, peaches, green beans, tomatoes peppers...I resisted the gladiolas, but they were beautiful!
.,
you said."While a man may want to pleasure himself with a woman, the fact is...he can't. It's lude behavior that is best left at home. The rest of us don't really care to see it.
I assume your speaking for yourself!since when is pleasuring yourself with a woman lude behavior?
In public it may be but certainly not in private
no matter where private is!!!
Red:
Wow! Didn't really expect ya to publish the whole thing. Seems as though you survived life quite nicely...congrats.
Per your answer to Q20: I think you're sneaking up on a more subtle point I'm trying to make in this fun little goat-rope. I believe, at least in some circumstances, that YOU can best determine what is your "need to know"! It's a handy question you can ask of yourself if the need arises.
Regarding my personal assessment of the overall test, I'm beginning to think that Q-21 is my favorite question...doncha("need to")know!!!
Mary Jo, You are comparing apples to green beans...Public lude behavior is against the LAW, smoking is NOT. Sorry, can't bring myself to address a "."
Little_Mac,
Maybe I was a bit harsh in useing the word stupidity. But I will let you judge...
Patient X was the head of a certain department. Patient X suddenly passed away, but was seen in ER prior to death. Employees of patient X viewed the record thru the computer (which is tracked when an employee, or someone of importance passes). Though, they had access to the 'hard' copy and could have viewed it without anyone knowing. (not saying that it is right to do that.)
So what is your verdict on their intellegence level???? lol
Re: Wayne Wallingford...running for State representative 158th. Seems no one has thoughts so I'll share mine.
Mr. and Mrs. Wallingford went door-to-door in my neighborhood a few nights ago. While, I don't agree with some of his conservative positions, such as 100% pro-life. However, I was very impressed...we visited about various topics for at least 30 minutes. He seemed interested in what people thought and in "working for the people". He did NOT seem like the "A" typical politian, which is a good thing in my eyes.
Will have to pull a Republican ballot in the primary, but since there is no opposition from a Democrat...shouldn't be a big deal. He has my vote and support.
Little_Mac, hehehe I feel exactly the same way... Unfortunately...the "rights movement" has been around for a several of decades now. Respect, appreciation and courtesy seem to have gone out the window some where down the rights movement. Now our society relies on being "told" or "forced" by the govt what behavior is appropriate.
Hum...a thought just occurred to me...I personally respond much better when volunteering to behave a certain way or when asked politely. I don't respond so well when "demands" are made. Have a strong tendency to push back. Just a thought...
Pups:
Per your 3:41 p.m. post, you are hereby under arrest, due to your blatant disregard for sensitive information regarding suspect "X" whom we, the village mob, have absolutely no "need to know" of...doncha("need to")know? You are to report to Kommandant Instructor on your own recognizance for appropriate "processing". Recommend you deposit personal items at the main gate office of the camp; I'll see to it that they will be redistributed accordingly. J/K'ing, j/k'ing!!!
Little_Mac,
The offenders mentioned were not the only one's caught. But they were the only ones capable of doing it and not getting caught at it, so that is why I put them in the "here's your sign" catagory. All who looked whether caught or not definately wouldn't be happy if it was their record being looked at.
While I'm sharing my political thoughts...seems Kinder stayed very connected to constituants, as I've heard a couple of stories where he got involved and helped with personal situations that were important to the individuals. One example was a Dept of Transportantion/licensing issue that required some muscle to get ironed out.
Herr,
You'll have to find me first before you can arrest me. Not sure volunteering to show up at Instructor's camp would be in my best intrest or show any actual smarts on my part don't ya think??? lol
Little_Mac,
Just call me feisty, full of animation, energy, or courage; spirited; spunky; plucky
~hangs head~ Sometimes you can call me...ill-tempered; pugnacious, troublesome or difficult.
But you can always call be honest and very open! hehe
Pups:
OK. Your call. S-Bethie's tracking hounds are being released as I type to apprehend and hold you until further notice. In the interim, she is authorized to have her way with you, discipline wise (which I assume will include the laying on of whips), as long as she preserves enough fresh meat for Instrudtor to reindoctrinate!!!
Pups:
By the way. Where's Bethie been...how's she/Bebe doing?
Pups,
Kind of silly situation, reminds me of the County Auditor thing...he knew he'd get caught, but viewed stuff anyway.
Any news on lunch? Heard from ChaffeeMP yet?
Little_Mac,
Yep you got it. Not the brightest and best are they?? And I can say it because I know them and have told them to their face. LOL
Though for clarification, some of those 'brought in' to discuss the viewing of said record did have valid reasons for looking at it, myself included, so we weren't in any trouble. Those that couldn't got a letter of repramand (sp). No one was fired, but probably would be today as the rules have gotten stricter with and by HIPPA since then.
Mac:
Ah, shucks, guy! Do ya have to be a spoiler for some good huntin' fun?!!! Oh, well, may be a moot point anyway, as the hounds are already after him. RUN, Pups, RUN...gotta see some Alpha-holes and elbows if ya don't want to get bit!!
Little Mac
Sorry, but you're not the hall monitor. Your #4 is incorrect. At least one hospital and some business here did put in highly expensive and efficient ventilation systems for smoking areas. But that did not pacify the non-smoking radicals who think they can sniff smoke from a hundred yards.
It really isn't about smoking as much as a wish to control what they don't like. I think I'll take up chawing tobacco and spit on the sidewalk, instead.
Herr,
Actually haven't heard from Bethie lately. Hope she is doing well. Now as far as the threat of her tracking me down....
You can't threaten me with a good time. haha
Melange,
Nope, not a word yet.
Yeah...Where is Bethie?
Now that Babe has arrived and my company is headed south...shots of JD sounds pretty good.
Bettthhhiiieee...You promised to dance on the table with me! :-)~
Wow I wasn't even gone that long and I don't think I will be able to catch up til sometime this evening. One thing I see keeps getting brought up for days now is the smoking issues.
Melange
You mentioned you go outside to smoke at your home, well so do Aggie and I. We don't smoke in others homes either, even if they say it's alright to.
I try to be courteous around both smokers and non-smokers.
How is everyone else doing today?
babe
I would rather put up with smoking anyday than someone spitting all over the place. Guess if all the smokers tried that though it would give the protestors something new to complain about.
Aggiefan/Twiggy,
ONLY smoke outside when brother is in town, but rarely smoke on the main level of the house when he is not here...usually smoke in my basement. Eh...cleaning the kitchen ceiling, cured me of smoking upstairs. (High ceilings, no joy to clean.)
Twiggy
Hope all went well in St Louis
Little_Mac,
As far as HIPPA goes, I personally don't have any issues with it. We had to put up a sign to secure office and servers when not in the room, but that was already a policy just needed the sign to be compliant.
My understanding is that there were policy changes within the departments that deal with and give out information to and for patients. And the only major problem has been in explaining that a husband doesn't have access to wife's records without wife's written approval or visa versa unless they have proven PoA. Prior to the stricter rules that wasn't the case.
Me'Lange
Other than the kids the reason we don't smoke in the house is because of the film it leaves on everything. I never realized it did that until went to help my sister move and her hubby is a 3 pack a day smoker so you can imagine the walls and ceilings in that house.
Doctors say grandduaghter is improving to keep doing what we have been doing, eventually her body and her nerves will meet or catch up to each other,(and can't really explain it to good)I hope this makes since. Her spine is also straighter, so that's really good news also. Thanks for asking.
Twiggy
Little_Mac,
hehe...Tis something on my "bucket to=do=list". Believe it or not, I'm actually kind of shy...but is something I think would be fun to do at least once in a life-time. Eh...Won't be a charging...cause it would be ******* the self-esteem, when you ask for a refund. LOL Haven't "been" dancing in...OMG 7 or 8 years. Don't think wiggling about the house to a catching commercial counts as dancing?
Melange,
Going out for my break..... hint hint... lol
Pups
I'm curious as to how far you have to leave your workplace to smoke? LOL
semoangel70,
Yeah, nasty, dirty habit. But I really enjoy smoking inside the comfort of my home, so willing to pay the price of the extra cleaning. Helps limiting the area. Honestly, burning scented candles can leave a very nasty film too. I likes candles too.
Pups...Hint received! hehe
Twiggy
Glad the report was good I know you and her mom both needed some good news right now.
yeah it's been a bad week in the news department, course it could always be worse. Aggie starts his new job tomorrow, finally, and now all we have to do is get my son in law off to work again.
Twiggy
Pups/Mac:
Ah, heckfire, guys. Almost had some good track-and-ground hunting action going on for Pups, and you guys just had to spoil it by bringing up HIPPA; dang! Now, that HIPPA stuff is a good example of "need to know" pain in the Alpha stuff, at least from the angle I have to approach it with my vol work. No fun, so I'm just gonna go find a corner to pout in (usurp some of Pups action!)...or maybe kick some bunnies around, just to keep my meanness in tune, if not Papa Oscar some PETA pukes!!
Oh, well, it just dawned on me that I've been having more fun than a HERRball should be allowed to have...("need to...) know" what I mean?! So I'd best get out and do some snoopin' & scrapin' for some roadkill for awhile. Herr out.
Glad Aggie is finally getting to start the job. I know that had to be stressful on the both of you. Doesn't the son-in-law go back tomorrow as well or did that change again.
We are hoping he will go tomorrow, but as of right now we aren't sure. Say prayers that he does, it's to much stress on Nickey to be the only one bringing in money. Please.
Twiggy
Twiggy it will all work out just think positive. I know it is rough for Nickey but she is tough and much more he might find her foot up his rear and then he will know she's had enough. I am really happy about her daughter though I know that worries her a lot as well.
Yes She's my little girl, and that is one of the hardest parts about leaving home. I kept her til she was 4, Nickey was not quite ready for being a mom. But not we are all alot closer together, and I know only a phone call away when we move, so I will be burning the towers and phone lines quite often. LOL
My mom is that way with my oldest daughter more for the fact she was the first grandchild around as my sisters both married military and weren't here. use to drive me up a wall but I am also thankful she taught me a lot even if I do hate to admit it.....lol
Has anyone heard anything about lunch tomorrow?
Not yet, I will be in cape working for my old boss tomorrow, so there is a stong chance that I can make it this time. Knock on wood.
Twiggy
I meant strong, getting tired I guess, can't type or see things straight.
by the way Rick I like your posting at 2:39
Twiggy
well maybe in the morning we will find out where it is going to be. I am leaving work early for an appointment so hopefully I will be able to go.
At least you have an excuse for typos Twiggy I just cant type
semo/twiggy,
Does Mexican sound good? Pups and I was thinking the Mex place by the mall...but we are both open to suggestions? Olive Garden was pretty good the few weeks we went there too.
Lunch at the mexican rest next to the Mall??? I know we all went there last week (albiet at different times) but I like the place. If you have a different taste for lunch tomorrow just say so. Normal time ok for everyone?? Or at least around that time give or take a bit.
Babe,
If I were smoking at work I would have to go off property. So approx. 500 yards from my office.
you mean El Alcapulco? Sounds good to me and is it around noon yet or different?
Mexican sounds good to me, be around 12 when I make it.
Pups
That's why I choose the other hospital as they are more compassionate to smokers, both employees and patients.
Anytime after 11:30am is good. See you all there! Time to curl up with a magazine and some mindless TV. Have a nice night everyone.
BABE,
For now they are more compassionate...inside word is they are letting SE take the "heat" on the smoking issue and will soon follow in their footsteps. Plus, they don't have public sidewalks running through their properties...which btw...it is legal to smoke on a public sidewalk (and I do my best to remind folks often.)
:-)~
Babe
the other hospital is going to do the same thing pretty soon. My sister works there and she said something about it the other day.
MeLange and Twiggy
I somewhat doubt that St Francis will institute harsh restrictions of smoking. After all, they still allow patients to have cocktails, beer or wine with a physician's order.
But, if they do, so be it. I will still have fond memories of docs lighting my cigarettes in the lounge as we kicked back to relax on a break. LOL
If the doc writes the orders for the cocktail the hospital is forced to abide by it. They have to follow doctor's orders.
Who Me
Yes, I remember New Orleans and Katrina well. I remember people, especially from the eighth ward, saving each other's lives. Do you? I remember that it was failure of the pumps and not the hurricane that caused the crisis because of Fed neglect and local graft. Do you? I remember that the city was supposed to have a disaster plan and they did not. Not everyone has the means or transportation to evacuate without help. Do you? I remember the governor telling folks to head for the Superdome to wait for help. Do you? I remember them staying there for days without food or water. Do you? I remember that these same people paid taxes to the city, state and feds. Do you?
You can kiss my ***, Who Me.
The people who had to go through Hurricane Katrina, were warned to leave it was their choice to stay. They didn't think it would get that bad, but they had been warned and should have left, it was their own fault they didn't leave when the government told them to go. It's not like a tornado warning, they were warned days in advance. They had no one to blame but theirselves that they chose to stay.
Twiggy
My husband came home on a train on Tuesday morning and was telling me about how he talked to a man who was down there for Katrina. He was on the roof of his house for days waiting for rescue and he admitted that it was his OWN FAULT. He was told to leave and he refused to do so. He was told a week in advance to evacuate and he stayed on HIS OWN ACCORD. How exactly is that anyone else's fault when this man himself admitted that he could have and should have left?
Nickey
Twiggy
Some folks who live in hurricane areas cannot evacuate or choose not to do so. People in New Orleans who did not own vehicles nor had the money could not evacuate without help. And those that did realized the expense of evacuation, in hotel costs, meals and lost wages. Believe me, as I have been there and done that.
Nickey
Yes, sounds like the same story that folks in this area tell when they have to be boated out from their homes. LOL
I know some don't have cars to leave in or money, but yet when they send someone in to rescue them, where do they go then? They do have places for them to go before a flood or hurricane hits as well as after. I have seen this and been told this by many people. We even had some come up here to our church campgrounds, they were provided with bedding, clothing, food, etc. Some people just choose to ignore the warnings thinking they have ridden them out before, so they can do it again.
New Orleans is one giant Dutchtown...
Babe,
Did you just become a Liberal? j/k
Actually, all kidding aside, that was a very passionate and heartfelt post.
Nickey, Twiggy, Aggie or whoever you are tonight....
There was NO rescue for the people of New Orleans before the hurricane and failure of the pumps. Even the Red Cross refused to set up as centers. Amtrak offered to take passengers in their cars as they pulled them out but the mayor refused. He demanded busses with restrooms instead and was actually waiting for them.
It was a desperate situation and I am more than tired of the residents of New Orleans being compared negatively to the 'stoic' river people. That is complete ******** as people here complain that FEMA hasn't been timely in the delivery of their trailers.
Pups
Did you not know I am a compassionate conservative?
Rescue typically comes AFTER a disaster not before. Before is when they are warned. People knew their was a possiblity of it being very bad and they chose to stay. I feel bad for them and I know that it was a hard decision to be made, but they could have evacuated if they chose to.
Twiggy
As far as New Orleans being compared to river folk hmm let me think what's that big HUGE body of water that it sits on hmmm OH YEAH the mississippi RIVER. My husband doesn't work on a gulf boat he works on a RIVER boat in New Orleans sometimes
Nickey
Rick
New Orleans is older than our country and you compare it to Dutchtown?
Anyone who knows me knows that I help others when I can, I am not a cold hearted person, even though you may think that, but I see things everyday out of the road. We have helped many people, but those people also need to try and help themselves. You keep giving and giving to someone and they will never try to hellp themselves.
Twiggy
musta flew right over ur head , BABE ....
BABE,
My take on Rick's post is that New Orleans is below sea level...flooding to be expected...like Dutchtown after the channel was built.
Doesn't make sense to "buy" or live knowing the seriously potential hazard. However, we shouldn't turn my back when someone needs help no matter what circumstances put them in harms way.
Guess I feel that is "the point" of life...helping others, withOUT judgement.
Well all I'm done for the night, not having a very good evening, so I am going to try and get some rest. Hopefully will see all you good folks tomorrow. Have a pleasant evening.
Twiggy
Twiggy,
Dud tiy catch this "Secret Santa" story? This man had a different take on helping folks...I really liked his thoughts.
http://www.semissourian.com/article/20071222/NEWS04/231462976
Babe,
Have thought of you more as a Conservative Compassionate. hehe
Twiggy
Well maybe next time a hurricane threatens New Orleans, you can send some money for a rental car, food, hotel expenses and then pat yourself on the back for helping instead of being critical of those who did not have the money to do so.
Melange,
thank you, I love hearing things like that. It makes you feel like there is still hope out there. Very good story.
Twiggy
Instructor,
If you can get the short notice vacation ok'd by my boss sure thing. Oh wait,,, this isn't a trick to get me to go to the "Indoctornation Camp" is it??? Mmmm bet it is,,, pass. lol
Nickey,
Any word from Bethie on ChaffeeMP makeing it into town? If memory serves, he wanted to try some place specific for lunch, but don't remember where that was.
Babe, I applaud your response to Who......you just gained a big fan.
Instructor,
Family history prevents me from ever getting into a cargo car of a train. Aint gonna happen, wouldn't be prudent at this juncture. lol
FYI Babe
Aggie and Twiggy both donated time money clothes and a shoulder ear etc at a local campground for those displaced by Hurricane Katrina. They helped build shelving for the food and supplies. They went out and bought food with the donated money and they separated the donations for families. They were there almost everyday the campground held flood victims.
They both have helped me tremendously as well. Emotionally financially and in any other way I need it whether I ask for it or not. Not because they have to but because they choose to.
You know nothing about Twiggy and who she is or what she has done to help anyone. What did YOU do for those affected by Katrina? I bet I can guess. Not a damn thing. If you can make assumptions about someone why can't I?
You are a complicated woman. You critize the schools for giving out free lunches in the summer but yet you bash our government for not helping Katrina. Make up your friggin mind already. No one needs government help or just those you see fit when your meds are working properly.
Everyone else
Twiggy said she won't be posting anymore but she will still read stuff and send emails to those of you that she has your email address. I can't say anything as far as Aggie goes but when he reads this he probably won't be too happy.
Nickey
MeLange and rick
Oh, I know what you mean, but yall are naive to believe that New Orleans should be compared to Dutchtown, for god's sake. Sigh....midwestern mentality is soooooo provencial.
Pups,
I haven't heard anything as of yet. I will ask her hubby tomorrow when I go in to work. I'm not sure if I am gonna make it to lunch but I am going to let Mom have my car so she can I will try but I can't promise anything for myself been a busy busy busy week what with the hubby getting in at 4 am Tuesday and having to make up 5.5 hours already at work on Saturday and tomorrow for some of it but I will see what I can do
Nickey
MeLange
Do you even realize that most of south Louisiana is below sea level?
BABE...u got me there for a couple hours...
Nickey,
Well would love for you to make it, but understand if you can't. Sounds like you have had a busy week, so I'm guessing you haven't had the chance to read any of the books I loaned ya. Interested on you take on them when you get a chance.
Pups
I cracked them but and find them very interesting so far. This weekend I plan on really delving into them and finishing at least one of them.
Nickey
Nickey,
No rush, I know where you work.
Wait, didn't mean for that to sound creepy. LOL
Pups
Almost forgot have you had the chance to see The Other Bolelyn Girl yet. Very good movie but if you watch The Tudors keep an open mind. Interesting how Anne's sister Mary and her alleged child with Henry isn't mentioned. If I remember I will bring you that movie when I bring your books back if you haven't seen it yet.
Nickey
LOL ya never know bout people you meet on the net J/K
Nickey
Haven't seen the movie yet. Oh oh oh,,, give to Twiggy and I can hold the movie hostage for the books. Kind of like signing them out from the Library. *wink*
Nickey
I applaud anyone's efforts to help displaced persons of New Orleans and all gulf states. What I cannot tolerate is that those who help also blame the victims for not escaping their plight.
Pups
Haha let me just write down the day that you got it on my calendar here and what exactly it was...... I am so bad LOL
Nickey
Babe
Bottom line you cannot help those that do not and will not help themselves. They didn't get out of a bad situation when warned to do so. That is their fault and no one else's. If someone warned me that something like that was coming and definatly going to hit I would grab my children and my pets and what I needed for survival and move heaven and earth to get out of harms way. I would not stick around. I don't care if I had to walk to get out of there I would. They could have done more than they did but they didn't. You don't need money to operate your feet.
Nickey
LOL...Nickey
Nickey,
I'll sign away my first born in collateral till I return it. Oh wait, don't have a first born. lol
Pups
Pets work too! Can't promise you would get the kitty back though after Eeyore notices LOL
Nickey
Mmmm sounds like I would have to get the movie back faster then the rental policy at Hastings. ;)
Gotta run and change out a monitor on the floor. Everyone have a great night and if not back this evening I'll chat with ya tomorrow.
Twiggy
Can you imagine the number of hurricane warnings in the season in south Louisiana? Tornado warnings are over in a matter of hours, so you do not have to the time to think about evacuation.
Hurricane warnings go on for days and days as hurricanes turn and twist. Folks, those that can leave, have to make a decision as to stay or get out. Nothing is for sure, mind you. I guess your family has enough money for yall, including your pets, to spend money on hotels, food, gas all the while losing a paycheck. Most folks do not.
Nickey
I've been meaning to ask you as to why your post under your parent's name?
Babe
Twiggy is not and will not be posting any longer. I am using theirs because I don't want to sign them out and myself in every time I have something to say. That is why MY name is at the end of posts not hers. Secondly I never said anything about staying in a hotel did I? No I did not I would worry more about getting out of harms way than what hotel I was going to stay at. You are very materialistic aren't you? As far as my line of thinking desperate times call for desperate measures and I would find a covered area for myself and my family to sleep in if need be and it doesn't have to be in a hotel. What on earth did people ever do before civilized shelter to survive??
Nickey
Oh and no I didn't get banned so you'll just have to keep dreaming for that one to come true and have never been notified of any violations per the webmaster or warned. I believe you are closer to that than I.
Nickey
I also recall posting nothing about being wealthy.
I know they receive hurricane WATCHES anytime there is a hurricane near the gulf however WARNINGS are a different issue all together. They generally don't issue those unless one is eminent and give at least two days warning for preperations and evacuations. Common sense tells a person that if a hurricane is coming to prepare. You only get minutes for a tornado you get days for a hurricane. How is that not sufficient time?
Nickey
Nickey
Oh, grow up and get your own computer and your own name. Make your lazy *** husband buy you one. LOL
PUPS
Sorry, didn't have a chance to respond to you the other day about the Yellow Cake Uranium.
We knew about it (I guess) but it was still found and secured because if those badguys got a hold of it....ooooh d*mn! Whatta day stateside.
Sorry for the late reply, but I hardly get the chance to sit in front of the CPU until 2200-2300 hours.
At least I have a husband, one that's not leaving me because I am a mean old bat.
I have a computer 2 actually but internet is not a necessity in my household we have a baby to pay for. I don't get a government check and if I did I wouldn't be spending it running people in the ground all day like you. You my dear need to take the grow up lessons and get a life.
Nickey
Good night everyone I have to work for a living tomorrow not sit on my arse in front of the computer playing God or at least thinking I am better than He is.
Nickey
I don't receive any government checks. On your lunch break tomorrow you really should price internet access that you can buy in your own name. You're looking kind of silly posting under your parent's name.
I am happy to give praise to Cape's fire department. It's the second time I had to call 911. The first was a smoke alarm going off in a bedroom and they responded quickly and checked all my home before replacing the batteries.
And this night I had a dizzy spell while getting into my wheelchair. I fainted, gashed my head and ended up on the floor. I could not get back up. I called my family but they were asleep. After an hour on the floor I finally called 911 and firefighters responded. One couldn't ask for better care than they gave to me.
Give them a raise!
Babe,
So glad you were taken care of well! And hope you are feeling better now! Those I have met from our fire department were extremely nice. And the LEO's that helped me with a situation several years back were great too!
Sometimes it is so easy to notice (and whine) about the things that need improvement around us...we really should try to pay more attention and appreciate the great things that happen every single day (even when no one is paying attention).
Instructor, Thanks for the cell phone/base info... knew there was some sort of regulation.
Super Bethie, Herr's search party worked! Yeah! (Be sure to skim over yesterday's post...we were missing you in the late afternoon.)
Nickey/Twiggy, You will be missed at lunch...perhaps another time.
ALL welcome at the Mexican place by the mall for lunch today, anytime after 11:30am.
Whoops...ignore the last post...posted it on the wrong day.