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Speak Out 7/7/08

Monday, July 7, 2008

Gasoline robbery

THE PRICE of gasoline going up so soon after oil prices go up is ridiculous, because there's no way that more expensive oil has been processed and made into these products, whether it be gasoline, diesel or whatever. Gas stations won't drop their prices immediately when oil prices go down. So they're getting two raises at the pump for each increase in the price of oil, which is robbery, isn't it?

Shooting fireworks

CHILDREN IN south Cape Girardeau are shooting fireworks at people's cars and porches. I think the city should ban fireworks. The children are going set somebody's house on fire. The police need to do something about it.

It's like Iraq

IN REGARD to comment about the house burning in south Cape Girardeau: I witnessed the night the fireworks set the house on fire across the street in the 1000 block of South Ellis Street, which is a firing zone. The children act like it's Iraq. I think it's a disgrace to Cape Girardeau to have this going on.

Gordonville speeders

I'VE BEEN driving through Gordonville for three years twice a day. It is amazing to me that every morning on our drive to Cape the people are flying through Gordonville, and the two police cars sit there in the parking lot. The same thing happens in the afternoon. They cops should be writing tickets and enforcing the laws.

Doing the right thing

I WANT to commend the parents for doing the right thing in steering their son in the right direction when he caused damage to the barbecue place in Jackson. That's what raising children is all about: steering them in the right direction. Not hiring a lawyer to get them out of a mess, but making them take responsibility for their actions and doing the right thing. God bless you.

Stoplight calibration

OVERALL, I find the calibration of the stoplights in Cape Girardeau to be remarkably efficient. There are, however, some intersections where the calibration is clearly off. One such intersection, the worst I use, is at Independence Street and West End Boulevard. It is clearly in need of calibration. I know there are others, and I think motorists should let the city know.

Summer homework

IT MAY be petty for a parent to complain about summer homework, but what if all the teachers got on the bandwagon and started handing out homework over the summer? It would ruin summer vacation. Most parents who are responsible have their children doing plenty during the summer. If all the teachers assigned homework in the summer, the children might as well be in year-round school, which I oppose.

Pumping our own oil

I'D LIKE to put my two cents' worth in about the oil crisis. If we had started drilling 10 years ago when Bill Clinton was president, we'd be pumping our oil right now out of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and off the Atlantic and Pacific coasts and the Gulf of Mexico. I'm tired of liberals saying that it's not going to do us any good to pump our own oil. We should be pumping our own oil right now.

Vehicle accountability

I TAKE responsibility for my actions. My vehicle is my private property, parked in my private drive. That is my property, and I can carry anything I wish, as long as it's legal, in my vehicle. If a thief breaks in and takes something that is mine, he'd better be the one who's ready to take responsibility for his actions, because he will be the one held accountable.

Washington's words

IN GEORGE Washington's farewell address in 1796, he left us some immortal words that we should meditate this Fourth of July weekend. "Let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect, that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. It is substantially true, that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government." Amen.

Waiting in the garage

THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS are happy now. We're all having to drive less and save gas. I bought a small car that gets good mileage. I run fewer errands. I mow my grass less often. What's that in my garage? It's my safe, comfortable, big sport utility vehicle, just waiting for my next weekend road trip, my next vacation and cheaper gas prices.

Depend on the U.S.

WAKE UP, America. Do you not remember the oil embargo in 1974 when we had to wait in lines to get fuel because OPEC countries decided they weren't going to send any oil to the U.S. to punish us? We did nothing -- no drilling for oil, no new refineries, no alternative energy. What happens when OPEC says no more oil for the U.S.? It's said there is more oil here in the U.S. than Saudi Arabia. Let's find it, build new refineries, conserve and let the U.S. depend on the U.S.

Pain of execution

I HAVE a problem with death-row inmates arguing that execution is too painful. It seems to me that it should be painful. They didn't care about their victims' pain. Whose rights are we looking at?


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good morning everyone

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 6:42 AM

where are the parents when the kids are shooting fireworks at houses and cars? My parents were there with us monitoring us so the police didn't have to be called. This is a "parent thing".

-- Posted by sosassy on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 7:03 AM

josiah_folger - Wow - do you actually get 3 months off? I'm a regular education teacher and we go back Aug 7th. BTW - I've been in for several meetings already, worked in my classroom and spent countless hours looking for new resources and new classroom ideas over the summer. I guess I need to slack off (attempt at humor).

Mrs. Cheney

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 9:06 AM

It's so odd that it is the same topics week after week after week. Gas, envirenment, school and now recently fireworks. Isn't there anything else to discuss? Yes fireworks are dangerous......but fun. Yes gas prices are killing us all......what can we really do? Summer homework???? Give me a break....keeps kids learning and smart! Oh and then there is that ocasional comment about our government.

-- Posted by lovemyfamily on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 9:19 AM

Survivor, what do you want to talk about?

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 9:35 AM

new topic :

are corporate pig farmers hogging the pork market ?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 9:40 AM

I wanna talk about MEEEE!!!!

Sorry I couldn't resist. I don't know. Just seems like the same topics over and over again. There has to be more to talk about. And about the pig farmers....I know nothing about that. But I think pigs are so cute. And I love bacon, ham, pork chops....that was dinner last nite. Grilled pork chops

-- Posted by lovemyfamily on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 9:57 AM

josiah_folger - I thought that might be what you were getting at, but I was just too lazy to look it up. LOL When do you go back to school?

MC

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 10:11 AM

survivor - Pork, my favorite meat...any kind, any way, any time. Yum-o

How was that?

OK, what else?

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 10:16 AM

morning all

Fireworks are over for another year so maybe we wont be hearing about them now but as far as kids shooting them off at houses that is when you call the cops. Complaining in SO isn't going to stop it.

I don't know what area gives homework over the summer but where my kids go they don't. They encourage the kids to read over the summer but that is about it. I for one appreciate all that the teachers do. with all the disrespectful, inconsiderate, and rude kids as well as the parents who think their child is perfect and their underacheivement must be the teachers fault there is no way I could be a teacher.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 10:16 AM

did anyone hear about an incident at DQ in Jackson last night?

-- Posted by all_i_hear_is_blah_blah on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 10:26 AM

Systems Test...yup, heart's working, so all systems go.

Ugh, it's morning; shouldn't mornings be banned as being too offensive?! Oh, well, just shove my tankard of coffee into the cell, then quickly slam & lock the door!

Hmmm. The SO section looks banal today, as usual...police report's not much more exciting. Didn't anybody at least get arrested for some sort of interesting criminal activity over the weekend? Gee, where are the criminals when you could use 'em?! Sigh.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 10:26 AM

semoangel70 - I love you!!!! I also love my students (and most of their parents - LOL). I've never had a student cause me as much grief as a parent has. Sometimes at P/T conferences you think...ah, now I get it. LOL

When the new school year starts, I think, "Where are MY kids and who are all these strangers?". Then, sometime during the year this new group becomes MY kids. For me, the last month of school is happy and sad.

Mrs. Cheney

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 10:28 AM

what happened at DQ???? ice cream spill over causing havock in Jackson???? I love ice cream....

-- Posted by lovemyfamily on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 10:34 AM

For the most part my kids have always had teachers that love their job and the students as well. It always amazes me when go to the P/T conferences at the patience they show. They deal with the kids all day, then the parents as well and that is after listening to the administators that sit in an office telling them how to teach. Our problem here has never been the teachers but the principle who thinks it is a privledge for the students to go to her school so there for she does not have to communicate with the parents.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 10:35 AM

This year I was noticing that people in neighborhoods were setting off the LARGE fireworks that look like the "professional" kind. Some were quite scary when shot off by your next-door-neighbor, the concussion force really rattled the windows and one child was screaming in fear. And who was buying and setting the darn things off (unprofessionally). THE PARENTS! I'm all for people having fun but not when it becomes a danger to others.

-- Posted by ArcticFox on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 10:37 AM

Heard some guy was hiding in front of one of the teenaged employee's cars when they left after closing and came running at them. The employee began throwing whatever they had in their hands at the guy and he ran off. Not sure of the intent of the guy, but was wondering if anyone else had heard about it.

-- Posted by all_i_hear_is_blah_blah on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 10:41 AM

I didn't hear that. That is very odd. Surprised KFVS wasn't all over that.....

-- Posted by lovemyfamily on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 10:49 AM

I have noticed more and more than anything that happens around here gets less attention from the news than things that happen in say Illinois. Might just be me though.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 10:52 AM

Isn't it amazing that the folks who can least afford fireworks are the one's spending the most money?

It is time you liberals came up with a government program to provide fireworks for those underprivileged souls who have to spend their welfare money on said entertainment. It is a travesty that in a nation as wealthy as ours that impoverished citizens should spend what little money they have on fireworks.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 10:53 AM

I would just like to have some of the money that was blown up Friday......

Instructor is right though I know of a few people who spent money they didn't have on fireworks and then complained the next day they didn't know how they would make it till payday got here. Seems some priorities weren't straight.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 10:57 AM

semo: I agree completely. I hear much more news on surrounding states than Missouri. Don't understand it either.

-- Posted by all_i_hear_is_blah_blah on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 11:01 AM

Waiting in the Garage,

I personally find this an interesting topic as it brings up memories of the 70ís when people were trading in their cars for more fuel efficient ones. I was already driving one, my avatar, so I wasnít affected. I would really be interested in the economic sense or nonsense this would make taking into account how much you would have to pay extra on your trade in and the overall environmental impact of making a new car as opposed to just keeping the one you have. While someone with a lot of money and an exceptionally well developed environmental consciousness might take their gas guzzler to be recycled, most of us are going to trade it in and it will continue to use large amounts of gas even if you are not driving it. My primary transportation is a 4WD V8 pickup as I live on a hill farm and got tired of getting stuck in my 2WD and a small truck canít pull my trailers. I think we too often make decisions based on emotions rather than logic. I am not convinced that buying yet another vehicle to drive or trading one is always a wise move. Fortunately I donít drive very much. I am sure fxwpt knows all about something like this, but in many situations it just does not seem to make good economic or environmental sense; well at least in my case it doesnít.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 11:02 AM

Instructor_aka____________, I like it. I'll be contacting my congress critters and demanding they sponsor the "No Child Left Unburned" act. However, I fear we'll also need to get behind a "No Child Left Unshaken" act. In my neighborhood, people are forced to use their few hard earned dollars to install car stereo systems capable of being felt from across the street. It's a shame what they suffer through. I shed a tear every time their bass reminds me of their plight.

-- Posted by yermej on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 11:20 AM

God forbid that the poor little souls should not have fireworks on the 4th. Fireworks, cigarettes and booze take precedence over things like food, rent and utilities....

Like I said, maybe The Messiah Obama will propose a government program to alleviate the suffering of those who spent their entitlement checks on fireworks.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 11:24 AM

I just can't figure out why the conseratives haven't fixed everything while they've been in power. For awhile they controlled everything! I guess easier said than done. Beginning to sound too gloomy in here - I'll check back later.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 11:24 AM

*We intrupt your SO program with an important National Sarcasm Alert System*

Instructor,

Now you know it is every red blooded American Patriot's right to ********* fireworks on the 4th of July (as well as the week before and the week after) even if they can not afford to do so. What else could the day be meant for?? And you're right, maybe we should increase the funds made available to those on assistance to afford fireworks. Just for the Month of July. Or better yet, set a minimum required package of fireworks to be distributed to every American household. That's it, we (evil Liberals) will set up a program that the Government will pay firework distributers three times what the fireworks are worth so that they can supply the masses. But only if you earn less then 85 thousand a year unless you have a child then you can receive more then those without children. (Forget the fact that those without children pay more taxes then those with children.)

Also, since the firework distributers will be making huge amounts of profit off the distribution of the "American Patriots Fireworks Distribution Subsidized Program" we must then impose a huge "APFDSP" tax on said distributers. Can't have them making more money then the people think they should.

And to think, this is all made possible by the idea of Instructor (the traitor j/k). I encourage all to contact your local representative and demand that "APFDSP" be made a reality. After all, doesn't the Constitution say that all Americans deserve nothing less??

*this ends the National Sarcasm Alert System, we return you to your regularly scheduled SO already in progress.*

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 11:26 AM

Um Dick, news flash. The conservatives were NOT in charge. The RINO's were in charge but the conservatives were not.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 11:27 AM

Oops - that's Conservatives - but I guess you know who you are.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 11:27 AM

pain of execution

LOL!!! If it hurts, die faster.

-- Posted by dixietrucker on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 11:29 AM

Um Instructor - maybe you should tell them that! I group them all together, just like you group all Dems together.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 11:29 AM

Instructor_aka:

How can so-called "conservatives" even begin to whine about social welfare spending after almost 8 years of Bush, the biggest govt spender in the history of our country? Bush has created govt spending programs to benefit the Rx industry through medicare part D, the biggest social and corp welfare legislation ever. Bush has given increased tax breaks, tax credits, and subsidies to just about every industry, further making private enterprise more dependent on govt spending. Bush has mismanaged both wars, costing us billions and billions more than was projected - see Rummy and Wolfie's testimony before Congress on this one. Sorry, but I could care less about a small minority of the population receiving and abusing social welfare money than the hundreds of billions that Bush and the Republicans have wasted on big govt programs. It's not even close. And what do you think does more damage to our nation's productivity and fiscal health? Poor people on welfare or our nation's corporations receiving billions in corp welfare rather than having to compete in an unfettered free market?

-- Posted by Ike on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 11:32 AM

No Dick, I group LIBERALS together. There are a few conservative Democrats in Congress, not many but they do exist. Just like the conservative Republicans, they are a dying breed.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 11:34 AM

Little_Mac:

Do you have a reliable source for those numbers? By the way, just because Limbaugh or Hannity said it, doesn't make it so.

-- Posted by Ike on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 11:35 AM

Ike - that was too perfect!!!! But, hey that wasn't the Conservatives - that was the 3rd party (ask Instructor).

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 11:36 AM

DickCheney,

I will agree with Instructor on this one "Republicans and Conservatives" are not the same thing. I do not equate "Democrat with Liberal" either.

Dixietrucker,

Now that's funny.

Littlemac,

Glad you are back.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 11:37 AM

Ike, did I ever say I was a supporter of what Bush and the RINO's in Congress have done?

In addition, when did someone on welfare provide a privately funded job to another person? Corporations regardless of the "corporate welfare" provide JOBS and tax revenue. Welfare receipts produce NOTHING.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 11:42 AM

Hey guys, I'm not buying what you are selling. You can't have it both ways. With you, it's one thing when it's Dems and another when it's Reps, unless you're called on it. Then you have this lame excuse. Step up boys.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 11:44 AM

Like I said earlier, I'll check back later. This is the same old story replayed again and again. I hear 7th graders come up with better lies (and most of the time THEY will eventually own up to the truth).

Mrs. Cheney

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 11:51 AM

Many of us (conservatives) have begun to speak out against what the RINO's have done over the last 10-14 years. It is a **** disgrace. The folks jumped right in bed with the liberals and began to dismantle private enterprise and socialize our economy.

Look at Mac's and Fajar's comments over the past few months for further insight.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 12:00 PM

Instructor:

If corps are competitive due to tax breaks and incentives, they are becoming dependent on govt spending and will not be able to compete. The fact is that more money goes to corp welfare, pork projects, and inefficient military misadventures than social welfare. A small percentage of poor americans receive welfare in the form of food stamps and TANF. And thanks to welfare reform, the availability and scope of such programs is limited and now encourages work. Massive welfare dependency was a problem in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. Welfare rolls have been in decline for years. The biggest threat to productivity and working people is private enterprise being given govt assistance that results in dependence and lack of competitiveness. If a corp needs tax dollars to employ more people and contribute tax revenue, how does it not become a quasi-nationalized company? Govt assistance to private industry reeks of socialism far more than a few bucks here and there to the poor.

-- Posted by Ike on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 12:01 PM

Little_Mac:

Which oil companies financial reports did you look at and when? Which quarter of what year? What reports did you look at it? How do you know they are accurate? Was the 8% figure you quoted specific to one company you researched or is it a general figure? Did you research all of the major oil companies to come up with 8% figure yourself? Did you average all of the numbers? I am curious as to how you went about your independent research of these oil companies.

-- Posted by Ike on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 12:06 PM

*playing devil's advocate*

Ike,

The welfare reform you speak of was because of the Almighty, All knowing, All seeing, All around awesome dude known as the "Newt".

(Sorry had to beat Babe to the punch here. lol)

Little Mac,

Welcome back, though by dabbling in said discussion you are teetering on falling from the 14th. But then again "All that attain" do so on occassion. hehe

And appologies, I know these are important issues, but sometimes interjecting with a wee bit of humor can't hurt. Well, it can if the wrong person meets you face to face, but that's a different topic. LOL

*ok tip toeing slowly out of room now*

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 12:10 PM

Instructor_aka:

You're right. The conservatives have not been in charge. Conservatives aren't a bunch of neo-wilsonian idealist nation builders like Bush and his gang. Real conservatives use military force much more cautiously than this Bush gang and have always rejected nation-building and increased foreign entanglements. Past foreign policy experts from republican admin's that practiced traditional conservative foreign policy, i.e. realism or realpolitik, have roundly criticized and rejected Bush's war in Iraq. The iraq war reeks of wilsonian idealism and LBJ international interventionism, concepts that the neocons have always embraced. Ike, Goldwater, Nixon, Reagan, Bush I, none of them would have invaded Iraq and certainly not the way we did it.

-- Posted by Ike on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 12:16 PM

Pups:

I am well aware of that. Actually, the TANF legislation that was eventually signed into law was drafted and proposed by for Congressman Jim Talent. Welfare reform was his biggest issue when he was elected in '92. He fought hard for that bill.

-- Posted by Ike on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 12:21 PM

Mrs. Cheney, your posts certainly tell us something about your personality and attitude--sense of humor and caring...Lucky students (& parents) to have you as their teacher! And, gosh, semoangel! Guess things have changed a lot since mine were in school. I was almost on a first-name basis with the principals of middle- and high schools for years. SIGH

Well, Herr, although I hate to encourage you, but ("...shouldn't mornings be banned as being too offensive?") if that is possible, YOU would be the one to get the ball rolling on that. Just be sure to throw in a lot of J/K's if you decide to.

Red, that would interest me, too...whether trading in a vehicle for a more gas-efficient but higher-priced one would actually be beneficial monetarily to an individual. It doesn't compute, though, to say doing that would save gasoline, since someone else would be purchasing the old gas guzzler...so there would be no actual reduction in total gas usage. NOT said well...maybe you know what I mean?

National Sarcasm Alert System! LOVE it! And APFDSP...Let's propose to our Leaders that they institute a department just for that, Pups! Would that be something we should present to S.Bethie when she assumes her duties? Reading further up the comments...you really are pushing your luck, Liebchen! Better tiptoe out backwards here, if you know what I mean! LOL

Little_Mac: WB...Anyone read the stats on oil profits, compared to what the percentage of federal and state taxes on gasoline are? We have a problem with oil companies making a few cents per gallon on gasoline, but not with our governments taking even more than that? BTW: Someone posted something on it fairly recently.

IMO, Instructor, conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans are a good thing for all of us. However, they are frowned upon by their parties. Without party support, it's really difficult for them to continue their political careers. ;-)

-- Posted by gurusmom on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 12:35 PM

dang it's hot out !

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 12:50 PM

After-action Report - 4 Jul Weekend: Fort D & Airshow, general overview. Even though the weekend was pretty much a bust, DES requires a more detailed report of specific activities...or in-activities as the case may be.

1.) Fort D: Almost a wash-out, but not quite. I just wasn't in the right place at the right time for the really fun stuff. By the time I arrived, most of the action was shutting down due to unruly welfare recipients in the hood getting boozed/drugged up & firing bottle rockets (compliments of the taxpayers, of course) into said fort. Therefore, CW reenactment ops had to be curtailed early since black powder use for cannon-firing was being compromised. Even so, there was some degree of success reported at the event. Earlier, it was reported that Libs & various commie Enviro-wackos were successfully recruited as cannonball catchers...to protect the environment, donchaknow; however, their numbers dwindled rapidly. Therefore, surviving Libs were enticed into volunteering as live dummies for bayonet demonstrations, based on the selling point that they tend to emote & squeal more convincingly, plus their hearts bleed better. That action was deemed as entertaining to the masses.

2.) Airshow: I personally wasn't treated to the air show per se, as DES nailed me with some additional duties to carry out for said show. I was asked to seek out Lib volunteers to function as "Intake Crawlers" to inspect for F.O.D. (Foreign Object Damage) while jets were taxiing. This endeavor was ceased, however, due to Enviro-wacko protests that Lib exhaust particles were polluting the environment. So Libs were then utilized as PSAT (Prop-spin Adjustment Technician) volunteers while prop-driven planes were revving up their engines for taxi. Enviro-cleanup/HAZMAT experts were required shortly thereafter...but it was entertaining for the crowds while the show lasted.

----Sub note for Airshow Ops: Thinking that Pups would have a substantial well of LibVols to draw from, I attempted to contact him and, thereby, "delegate" (for Rio Linda recalcitrants, that's a fancy corporate/capitalist word for "passing-the-buck"...oops, sorry Pups, for such profanity!) recruiting of LibVols to him. Unfortunately, I was forced to report Pups as A.W.O.L. (Absent Without Libs) for the duration of the show.

This concludes my official DES report for the weekend. I must also sadly add that I personally failed to light-up my bad neighbor's roof with bottle rockets, and was unable to procure the proper fuses for old and unstable Mk-82s for the big finale in the hood. That'll be all. Herr out.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 12:51 PM

The oil companies' profits as a percentage of revenue is right around 8% on average. They are NOT gouging anyone. If their raw material prices go up (which we all realize they have), that percentage of a higher cost item will translate into larger profits.

Simple economics, really.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 1:11 PM

Yes, federal and state governments make wayyyyy more money than the private oil corporations make.

Something inherently wrong about that.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 1:22 PM

Re: Human causes for climate change and other environmental phenomena

This is from the USGS today:

The Emperor Has No Coral? Results of research on coral reefs in the Florida Keys reef challenge the highly popular notion that present declines in reefs in Florida and elsewhere are related to human activities. High-resolution sub-bottom profiling, reef drilling, and mapping of benthic habitats along the reef tract present a paradox in coral growth patterns: reefs that are dead or dying -- and therefore not building -- outnumber live and building reefs about 100 to 1. Yet growth rates of all common coral reef species should have kept pace with the well-documented rise in sea level over the past 6,000 years. Why did so few reefs keep pace or build up with the rise in the present sea level? Geological history may provide an answer: two 500-year periods of non-growth of coral reefs occurred in the region 4.5 thousand years ago and 3,000 years ago. These periods of non-growth indicate times of environmental crises that predated modern human presence in the Florida Keys. The present period of rapid coral demise has spanned only about 30 years. For more information, contact Eugene Shinn at 727-533-1158, eshinn@marine.usf.edu or Barbara Lidz at 727-803-8747, ext. 3031, blidz@usgs.gov.

-- Posted by Observer1 on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 1:27 PM

But it is so much more comforting to blame EVERYTHING on BIG oil, BIG tobacco, BIG pharmaceuticals etc. Heck, I may start doing it myself it sounds so simply and reassuring.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 1:29 PM

G-Mom:

Uh, Maw? Per your earlier post, doncha think I should consider passing that "rolling ball" to someone else to run with...like, say, YOU??!!! After all, I think I already stirred up too many worms for one month...no, wait...this is now a new month!! OK, I'll consider getting mornings banned unless, of course, the village democratic mob can rise up and demand substantial coffee subsidies for all!!!

Oh, and you may be correct in suggesting I insert an appropriate amount of "opinion & j/k" disclaimers in this proposed activism, for a little CYA action!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 1:29 PM

I'm sorry but I have to invoke the spirit of a Aerosmith song here for the rhetoric for today pardon the length of this post:

Get yourself cooler

Lay yourself low

Coincidental murder

With nothing to show

When the judge's constipation

Goes to his head

And his wife's aggravation

You're soon enough dead

It's the same old story

Same Old Song And Dance, my friend

It's the same old story

Same Old Song And Dance, my friend

Got you with the cocaine

They found with your gun

No smooth face lawyer

To get ya undone

Say love ain't the same

On the south side of town

You could look

But you ain't gonna find it around

It's the same old story

Same Old Song And Dance, my friend

It's the same old story

Same old story

Same Old Song And Dance

Fate comes a-knockin'

Doors start lockin'

Your old time connection

Change your direction

Ain't gonna change it

Can't rearrange it

Can't stand the pain

When it's all the same to you, my friend

When you're low down and dirty

From walkin' the street

With your old hurdy gurdy

No one to meet

Said love ain't the same

On the south side of town

You could look

But you ain't gonna find it around

It's the same old story

Same Old Song And Dance, my friend

It's the same old story

Same old story

Same Old Song And Dance

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 1:30 PM

Oooohhh Ooooohhh *hand raised high in air*

I know a solution. Since the Federal Government makes more money then the oil companies because of the percentage of tax on gas and profits from Oil Companies. Why don't we have the Oil Companies lower their profit margins to say 6%. Resulting in lower cost of gas and less profit. Therefore the Government would get less in taxes. Oil Companies still make a profit, we get lower gas prices and the Government gets less money. Now that sounds like a win (Oil Companies), win(Us the gas purchasers) and lose (Government). Mmmm on second though, to simplistic. lol (just being a ******** mind you!!)

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 1:34 PM

Pups,

We could just nationalize the evil oil companies and put it under the control of our benevolent government. Well it will become benevolent once those current rascals are thrown out.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 1:42 PM

Aaah But Red, that would defeat the purpose of the Government not getting any more money. lol

Out for a bit. Check back later.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 1:47 PM

Fireworks,

Would it be too much government intervention to ask that if a child hurts, maimes, damages any person or thing with fireworks that the parents be held accountable?

So if a child starts a house on fire with fireworks then the parent should be charged with whatever should apply. Make this known publicly. Good ole Morley Swingle could issue some type of proclimation. Is that too much to ask? Is it too mcuh to be accountable?

-- Posted by SWBG on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 2:02 PM

Little_Mac, you used my quote:

Dick, you said...

"Hey guys, I'm not buying what you are selling. You can't have it both ways. With you, it's one thing when it's Dems and another when it's Reps, unless you're called on it. Then you have this lame excuse. Step up boys."

And then you said "Yeah, right, and Dems NEVER do that?"

In my statement, I was referring to the guys here, commenting today and making excuses (not the Rep Party), but you bring up an interesting point. I don't think I recall the Dems picking out a group within their party to blame for their mistakes. Do they say, "The liberals made me do it"?

And will you vote for someone other than a Rep, or will you continue to vote for that party and say they don't represent what you believe in? And do you really believe the Dems could have screwed this stuff up any worse than the Rep have? Yeah, right!

-- Posted by DickCheney on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 2:08 PM

Lordy, Lordy, Herr! After-action Report...You are such a brave soul! ;-) But heck! "...doncha think I should consider passing that "rolling ball" to someone else to run with...like, say, YOU?" You survived, didn't you? ;-) And probably, any flak would rub right off onto me, too, anyhow? And since neither of us seem to mind that too much...LOL The thing is, you are SO much more clever with words and ideas than I am, so you naturally are the most qualified... ;-) Actually, and as usual IMHO, thinking there surely is a better venue than SO for your talents. Oh! Yeah, the coffee thing would have to be thought out VERY carefully!

So, Little_Mac & Instructor, are we sort of in agreement that in targeting just the greedy oil companies in fussing about high gasoline prices, we might be overlooking the governments' roles in those prices? Ah, but...for private corporations to make a profit is surely less acceptable than supporting our governments--I mean, look how wisely they use our tax dollars! ;-) GOOD ONE, Red!

Observer: Is this "...times of environmental crises that predated modern human presence... sort of like all the evidence of "climate change" research dealing with centuries ago...the warming/cooling trends before humans actually started messing around much here on earth?

Aerosmith was before my time, Nickey. Now, guess I'm too dense to understand the message in the song. That's what happens sometimes when a person becomes an Old Fuddy Duddy, maybe? LOL But I can comprehend a song like, say, 'Blue Seude shoes' or 'Rock Around the Clock.' Or especially 'Where Have All the Flowers Gone'...sigh

Leaving for a few hours...or more. Have a great afternoon, all!

-- Posted by gurusmom on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 2:49 PM

Not really the whole song Gurusmom more the Chorus Title of the song being Same old Song and Dance.

The Dem Rep fight reminds me so much of the Shampoo Conditioner fight on Billy Madison

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 3:07 PM

Melange

I feel the same way. Personally I don't want anyone telling me how to spend my money and unless you know for sure that that person is on welfare or whatever I wouldn't assume it. If its that big of a concern and you know for a fact that they are on welfare then call the county and have them investigated for fraud or abuse of the system.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 3:20 PM

Funny thing about the government. They never offer to lower taxes on gasoline during times like this.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 3:25 PM

Mel, Mel, Mel, you just had to bring up the water park issue, didn't you????

:-) Still buds....

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 3:30 PM

G-Mom:

Gee...Mom. At the not-so-brave risk of questioning your comprehension skills (and subsequently assuming the position to receive your paddle!), I nevertheless feel (does that mean "emote" in Lib talk?) it is my patriotic duty to kinda-sorta, well, er, tweek your comprehension just a tad!!

I was not, repeat, NOT proposing that mornings in the SO Bog be banned, but rather "mornings" (as in time of day) be banned in general!!! And I may not be as successful in coordinating such a proposal up the chain of command to HIM-Who-Will-Decide (He didn't delegate that action to Mule-who-will-be-obeyed!) as you could be...I've noticed St. Pete fumbling for his keys in a panic when I approach the gate!

Now. Just think of the positive outcomes of doing away with mornings altogether. For one thing, we'd negate having to petition the benevolent gov't about subsidizing our coffee dependence! Even better, we could reduce the Marxian concept of a 40-hour work week to just twenty hours. Without mornings, workers of the state would not have to report to work until, well, lunchtime!!! So, another hour off! Gee, this is starting to sound like a Frenchy kind of idea...maybe that's not so hot, unless of course you add a bit of global warming to the formula!!

Anyway, Maw, I thought I'd just clarify that little matter for ya...and to keep the PC brownshirts confounded long enough to make a break for it. I gotta get to Cape now. So if anyone hears the warning sirens going off, it's just me penetrating the city limit defenses...looking to start some stuff!! Talk to ya later.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 3:41 PM

*spit*

-- Posted by Ainamolagem on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 3:43 PM

Little Mac

Yes, tis true and they never will, and oil companies are blamed as being greedy . LMAO

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 3:44 PM

Looks like farmer entered the SOBLOG (Speak Out Blog).

Things should get interesting....

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 3:48 PM

From what I briefly saw yesterday very interesting.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 3:56 PM

Farmer

See my avatar.....

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 4:03 PM

Don't encourage him.

-- Posted by D'oh on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 4:03 PM

Pups Semoangel Twiggy

Can I please please please please please please use my new avatar please please pretty please??

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 4:05 PM

ahh nevermind I have to get going anyway got kiddos to get and feed and bathe and all that fun stuff. See ya'll in the morning

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 4:06 PM

WOLLER'N WITH TEH SOCIALISTS AGAIN? NOTHING BUT KRAUTS, SKIRTS, AND LIBERCRATS AS FAR AS THINE EYES CAN SEE. *SPIT*

-- Posted by Ainamolagem on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 4:09 PM

Funny thing about the government. They never offer to lower taxes on gasoline during times like this.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, 2:25 pm CD

Goofy McCain and Sinister Clinton both temporarily campaigned on suspending the federal gas tax. Then all of the economists came out and said it wouldn't work. Stupid McCain continues to campaign for it. Before she dropped out, Narcissist Clinton said she didn't need to listen to what those silly expert economists said. Apparently McCain doesn't need to either.

-- Posted by Ike on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 4:18 PM

The oil companies' profits as a percentage of revenue is right around 8% on average.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka

Will someone please post a link to support this claim?

-- Posted by Ike on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 4:26 PM

Don't know about the gas tax thing, but I am pretty sure an "expert economist" is just like a Unicorn, nice to think about, but doesn't exist.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 4:28 PM

Yes, you are correct about the liars figure Josiah. Problem is, if you lie on your financial statements, you go to jail. Ask the Enron folks about that.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 4:36 PM

Here is a link concerning oil profits:

http://money.cnn.com/2008/04/29/markets/...

Another concerning government's "profit" from the oil industry:

http://www.taxfoundation.org/publication...

And an excerpt from the following link:

Two profit rates, return on sales and return on equity, are presented in Table 1.

In a report that appears periodically, most recently after the oil companies announced

their third quarter earnings in 2007, the American Petroleum Institute (API)

compared the returns earned in the oil industry to other American industries.

3

The

API comparisons are based on returns on revenue. They found that the oil and natural

gas industries earned 7.6 percent on revenues, compared to 5.8 percent for all U.S.

manufacturing industries. Although this result implies a 31 percent margin over the

returns earned by all U.S. manufacturing industries, it is less than the 9.2 percent

earned by all U.S. manufacturing industries excluding the automobile and auto parts

industries, that had a negative 26 percent return for the third quarter of 2007.

fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/103679.pdf

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 4:58 PM

I spent a total of 15 minutes of research to back-up my claims of oil industry profits as a percentage of revenue.

Surely you education folks could do the same thing but it is much easier to scream about how the oil companies are screwing us, right?

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 5:03 PM

Josiah, you need to take some basic economic classes to better understand what is going on.

The bottom line for any manufacturing company is profit as a percentage of revenue. This is profit after you have paid all expenses (payroll, overhead, R&D etc). This is a very simplistic explanation

The fact of the matter is, the oil industry is right in line with the rest of the manufacturing business in the United States. That is a fact, plain and simple.

I wish you the best of luck under a B. Hussein "The Messiah" Obama administration. I'm sure your world will be just peachy come 9 January 2009 if you get your way.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 5:38 PM

Instructor,

Isn't calling Obama "The Messiah" put you in the same league as the "Bush Bashers"??

Just curious mind you. (j/r)

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 5:47 PM

Little_Mac,

Since Clinton isn't in the running any longer you might have to come up with a new nickname for CNN.

Oooops, think I slipped a bit there myself just now.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 5:49 PM

Pups, I "might have" a reason come November to spend at least four years calling him that.

Eight years of Bush bashing will not be made up overnight.

:-)

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 5:53 PM

CNN = Communist News Network

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 6:00 PM

Does it mean nothing to anyone that there have been numerous congressional hearings on the oil industry by Republicans and Democrats and no one has come up with anything?

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 6:08 PM

The reason? There is nothing to find.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 6:16 PM

Red,

Kind of shows that nothing can be done. And not sure that there should be anything done. Businesses are in business to make money. Even Not for Profit make profit, they just put it back in the business. (my limited understanding mind you.) If they don't, they aren't in business long.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 6:19 PM

Instructor,

Exactly, but you will never convince some people.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 6:20 PM

Pups,

There may be something that can be done, I honestly don't know either, but if it is I would not think additional regulation, control or interference by government in a business is going to be the way to bring prices down.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 6:25 PM

Instructor, Red_Rhino and Little_Mac,

Maybe the Oil Companies should report in percentage instead of dollars. Would solve the problem of seeing the amount. ie, Exxon had a reported profit of 8% rather then Exxon had a reported profit of $42 Billion. All a matter of presentation. LOL

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 6:26 PM

James,

I can just imagine the laugh they would have at getting such a letter. It would be the opening joke at the next board meeting. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 6:30 PM

Shooting Firework's Respone

When I read the comment about the kids in South Cape shooting fireworks at car's and homes. I feel like the police should be speaking to the parents who are allowing there childern to behave like that. The answer is not banning fireworks, becasue then you would have to ban all of them and that means all of the people who don't live in "South Cape" would also not be allowed to have fireworks. People should be more careful in what the say before they say it. Kids shooting fireworks at cars and homes is wrong, but that doesn't mean ban them from all childern!!!!

-- Posted by coolkj on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 6:46 PM

All the people posting about oil company profits really need to clarify whether they are talking about only the profits for the US branch of the company or about the worldwide profits.

It is 100% true that the major oil companies only make 8%-10% profit margins on their US operations. However it is idiotic to suggest that the major oil companies only make mere 8%-10% profit margins if you look at every level of their operations across the globe.

All the major oil companies are multilevel & multinational businesses. They take the amount of profit at each level & in each country that is the most financial & politically beneficial. Really the major oil companies could technically sell gasoline at a loss by their US subsidiary yet make enormous profits from their drilling operations in Brunei or via their oil transports run out of Liberia or their refinery in Singapore. Those internal transfers from subsidiary to subsidiary within a multinational company bring the oil with extraction costs generally ranging from $10-$30 up to whatever the current market price is.

So yes the oil companies make a killing, but it is virtually impossible for any one nation to do anything about it because of the ease of shifting products and profits to countries with policies more favorable to them.

-- Posted by Nil on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 7:43 PM

..at some point and time , oil is going to run

out ..there is only so much left and then

that's it...is this the reason for the current

high gas prices ? dunno..

..will we be ready with an alternate choice of

energy at the time oil runs out ? i doubt it ..

remember , as bad as it is now , these are the good

old days...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 8:56 PM

Jimmy Carter was not an "oil man" and percentage wise gasoline prices went up more during his administration than the current increase. Not only did it jump in price but there were times when you couldn't even buy it if you wanted to!

-- Posted by Data48 on Mon, Jul 7, 2008, at 9:03 PM


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