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Speak Out 7/1/08

Tuesday, July 1, 2008

Historical context

THANKS FOR publishing the comment about the emphasis many black musicians placed on outer space in earlier times and currently in hip hop and rap music. A lot of the reason for it has to do with the historical shame of slavery when African Americans were ripped from their homeland and came to feel like aliens, strangers in a strange land. Since the main consumers of black rap music are white American teens, the comment provided a much needed historical context and lesson for the youths who listen to the likes of Dr. Dre, Kanye West, Lil' Wayne and others.

Fireworks danger

WHEN 7 p.m. rolls around here on the south side of Cape Girardeau, we start to look more like a war zone than we do the quiet neighborhood you will normally see here, Any other time of year you will find kids playing basketball, riding their bikes, laughing and playing. But for the last two nights you have seen them crying and running for cover, or the older ones holding tubes pointed up and down the street shooting one another with fireworks. I was shocked at the amount of this that happens. In talking to neighbors it seems no one but the kids want this to be going on. The police are making arrests, but it is not stopping the madness. In past years, I am told, a house has been set on fire each year. There's usually one small child who will get bad burns. And normally one car will go up in flames as well. So what needs to be done to get fireworks banned? What can we do to make our city safe for the kids who just want to ride their bikes or play some basketball?

Ice block races

ADMIRATION IS deserving for people like Jack Watt for devising such fun money-raisers as this. Unfortunately, some priorities might be a little skewed. A community stage will not diminish the hundreds of eyesores in the town: the trash, junked vehicles, buildings in need of repair or condemnation, streets in disrepair. Most residents may tend to subconsciously overlook such things as they drive through the town, but tourists won't. There are many things that could be taken care of just by enforcing city ordinances, which would improve the town's appearance without costing much except the paper, ink and postage to send out notices to property owners. Marble Hill has a great museum and the Cat Ranch, but the perception of the town to visitors basically appears to be a dirty, junky, depressing little town.

It's all your fault

THE HIGH price of gasoline is not the fault of a conspiracy of oil companies. It is not the fault of speculators. It is not the result of failing to drill here and there in the U.S. Frankly, it is your fault, reader, you greedy gasaholic. You had better start conserving more than ever, because the problem is permanent.

Wall of Fame addition

BECAUSE OF the likely worldwide audience for "America's Got Talent" and Neil Boyd's wowing of the audience and judges, he is probably now has more worldwide name recognition than many of the faces on Cape Girardeau's downtown Wall of Fame. His likeness should grace the wall forthwith.

Drilling and prices

WE KEEP hearing how gasoline prices aren't because of speculation but simply supply-and-demand economics. As soon as Saudi Arabia announces it will pump more oil, oil prices per barrel go up. U.S. Sen. Christopher Bond must be hoping we're all idiots to think opening up drilling will magically make prices lower. Even our own Energy Department says drilling wouldn't affect gas prices for many years down the road.

Timing the signals

WOULD SOMEONE please reset the stoplights at Bloomfield Road and Mount Auburn Road? I have sat there in the mornings sometimes six minutes waiting to turn left. It allows maybe four to five cars and then changes. Sometimes you can be the only one sitting there and another will pull up beside you and their light will turn and you will still sit. The same for the light at Pizza Inn turning left. Please allow more time for the lights to be green. We all have to be somewhere whether we turn left or go straight. Make the lights equal timing at the four ways.

Pump patrol

MIGHT I suggest that local gas stations consider hiring someone to stand at the pumps. That person could then immediately take cash from an individual who filled up. Those using credit or debit cards could still go in. It would make a driver think twice before driving off knowing that they would be caught faster.

Blowing up money

A LOT of people are whining about the economy. But I find it amazing that they still have enough money to buy fireworks and blow them up. If the economy is so bad, shouldn't that money be spent on food and clothing for the children?

Different marriage

I DON'T have a problem with gay couples marrying. I do have a problem with the marriage being referred to as the same as that between a man and a woman. It is not the same. Why do gay marriage advocates insist on demanding gay marriage is the same as a heterosexual marriage? It is not. What is so wrong with having both defined?

Overmedicated society

WHY IS everyone on some sort of medication these days? The doctors tell everyone they are either depressed or have mental problems. Many children are diagnosed with ADHD, but no one looks at the parenting or environment. We are an overmedicated society. No one seems to be able to work through their problems, and everyone resorts to medication to be happy and forget all the bad stuff. This is no way to live. Our ancestors did not live this way. I fear for our future.

No gambling boat

THE PERSON who said he and his friends go to a gambling boat three times a week is the reason we do not need such a place in Cape Girardeau. Our city is doing quiet well without a gambling boat,

It's a crusade

I AGREE with the caller who said in effect that David Limbaugh is no modern-day Hernando Cortez, a 16th century Spanish conquistador driven by the slogan, "God, gold and glory." I think Mr. Limbaugh has little interest in gold or glory. His sole motivation seems to be a crusade characterized strictly by the spread of Christianity. Whether or not he would favor using the forceful methods of the aforementioned Cortez is a subject concerning which reasonable people may disagree.

Do-it-yourself energy

I THINK we should drill for oil in this country wherever the experts think it might exist. We should build at least one nuclear plant in each state. It might take a while, but look at the good-paying jobs. And as we start producing energy, the money would stay in this country. This is the only way prices are going to come down.

Reduce speed limits

IT IS proven that vehicles get better gas mileage at speeds of around 55 to 60 miles per hour. Why haven't we reduced the speed limit to cut the use of gas? That would bring the price down, as there wouldn't be such a demand. Maybe the politicians are making too much money that they don't have to worry about how much gas cost.

Out of whack

CONGRESS IS totally out of whack in how it views things. Legislators want to bail out banks that made bad business decisions. And they want to place extra taxes on the oil companies for making a profit. We used to reward success. Now we penalize it and reward failure. In schools, the successful kids are ignored and the failing kids get all the extra attention, money and programs.

Summer homework

THE PARENT of a public school student griping in Speak Out about a summer-school assignment for her child shall forever serve as the perfect example of the lack of parental support many public schools so desperately need, along with the no doubt widespread and persistent belief that summertime is for anything other than the academic.


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Overmedicated society

Unless you are someone with experience on dealing with a situation beyond your control you have no room to talk. You cannot be put on meds without a DOCTOR. If you are not one I suggest you let them decide what is best for their patients.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 7:44 AM

Wall of Fame addition

Agreed he is talented however 15 minutes of fame doesn't qualify.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 7:45 AM

good morning everone...

Reduce speed limits,

seems like 55mph was tried as the national

freeway speed limit before with little

success . do we need to go down that road

again ?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 7:46 AM

oops , my bad....

it just seemed like when i was driving

55 , everyone else was zooming past me with dirty

looks on their faces...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 8:04 AM

Goodmorning all.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 8:26 AM

Going 55 for a speed limit is a pain, we do it everyweek when we go to CA. It takes you all day to get somewhere at that speed. That is one of things I hate most about CA. In the city areas I can understand it, but in the dessert where there is nothing for miles around you, they could let you go a little faster.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 8:31 AM

Overmedicated society

A lot of the meds the doctors are prescribing they are doing so because they get kick backs from the pharmaceutical companies but you can not say that every med prescribed is not needed. A lot of the kids are being medicated for ADHD when a simple behavoir plan would be just as good for them but the schools are also pushing parents to medicate now. The best thing to do is when your doctor prescribes a med make sure you know what it is for, side effects etc and then make the choice yourself as to whether or not you want to take it. I would love to quit taking a lot of my meds but I prefer to be able to walk and enjoy my kids so I will take them.

Driving 55 would be one way to help for more reasons than what little fuel is conserved.

Now morning all.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 8:40 AM

Also about the driving 55 I really think that if that is the speed they want everyone doing it should not just apply to big trucks. In CA because of the 2 different speeds, most of the accidents are caused by the ones in autos who can go 65 or 70 weaving in and out of traffic because they think trucks are going to slow and they try to cut you off so they aren't behind you.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 8:54 AM

Timing the Signals: OK, look...you have obviously beened trained to sit and obey the light, which is all legal and good. (Good boy!) But if you are so well-trained that you cannot question authority and think for yourself, and take action for yourself - keeping in mind safety, of course - which means going through the red light when it is safe, (oh!, how awful!), then you deserve to sit at the light for six minutes.

It's a Crusade: Hey, don't fool yourself...Limbaugh is definately after the gold. Why do you think every 2 years or so he manages to write a "bestseller". Which, by the way, becomes a bestseller only because brother Rush starts him on his show, and then Dave-baby does the rest of the talk show circuit, and viola!, more gold!

-- Posted by Hawker on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 8:55 AM

Aggie/Twiggy

I have seen more than one accident because of cars playng with the big trucks, tailgating them (drafting) to get better mileage on their cars, weaving in and out of them, passing them on a hill then slowing when they get in front etc. You are correct if the limit is 55 for trucks it should be for everything as well.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:02 AM

I have always thought if we could put some of those people in our truck, take them for a little ride. Then when someone pulls out in front of us they see what it takes to stop us, they might be a little more careful about pulling out in front of a big truck.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:07 AM

Maybe. Those trucks definitly do not stop on a dime.

Josiah

Would love to but I work the lunch shift today.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:10 AM

Josiah

we have to leave today or I would be up for lunch, maybe next time.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:13 AM

Josiah I would but I can only have half an hour today (pretty much like that all week) thanks to a new project at work. Thanks for asking though.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:18 AM

i've had some cars , and i use the term 'car'

loosely , that could hardly do 55 anyway .

one 'car' especially , a rice-rocket , could

only do 55 going down hill .

maybe 55 wouldn't be such a bad idea after all....

-- Posted by ..Rick on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:19 AM

Always respect the truckers. If driving 55 is about saving gas maybe that should be the speed limit everywhere...I mean everywhere. Main street, Sprigg, Mall Parking lot...

Over medicated,

Maybe this person needs a little Prozac with their morning coffee.

-- Posted by SWBG on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:21 AM

rick

With a child who will be driving on their own in 42 days the thought of a slower moving car is a nice thought. My dad has one of the old Wiley's Army jeeps that he restored and if you are lucky it might go 50 I keep saying that is what she will drive!

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:23 AM

Is it any of my business what people do with their money. It is if they are using the public trough to finance their activities.

-- Posted by Observer1 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:33 AM

SWBG

You would have already thought that was the speed limit at the mall parking lot by the way people were driving the last time I was there! (j/k)

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:34 AM

Drilling and prices, Do-it-yourself energy: Investors are spooked that we are in a 70's inflation cycle. There has been too much increase in the supply of dollars and credit. They feel that we have a long way to go before that expansion (inflation) is worked out of the system. Since that expansion of money and credit is just now working its way down to the consumer, it may take a while to adjust even with a tightening of the money supply.

In my opinion there are two areas of concern. (1) is inflation of the money supply and credit. (2) Is the instability of oil producing nations.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:39 AM

josiah_folger,

I may take you up on it. I have to work til Noon though. So it's a maybe for me.

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:42 AM

Nickey

That it isn't just the mall.......been to Target lately people fly down through there. Maybe they are trying to tell us we do not need to go shopping!

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:46 AM

I try not to go to Target unless I have to because of that. I tend to stay away from that area all together when shopping if I can help it.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:47 AM

Can't blame you on that. Think I am going to head over to Paducah this weekend and do some shopping over there. Still have all the bad driving but at least it is a change of pace.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:50 AM

Sure is. We have a wedding this Saturday to head to and my brother wants us to come up to St Louis to spend the weekend with him. Problem is we already RSVP'd for the wedding. Can't be in two places at once!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:57 AM

James,

Read where the Fed may tighten it up a bit this summer some time. They had better because the EU is planning to tighten their money supply up. If they do and we don't the dollar will just get weaker.

If all things remain the same (like that ever happens) meaning we don't go pick a fight with Iran or anything like that, I suspect this bubble to burst next year sometime and while I may be a bit optimistic I believe we will see gas under $3.00/gallon.

-- Posted by SWBG on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:59 AM

Well guess it is time for me to head out. Have fun.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:01 AM

Testing...ah, still operational!

PUBLIC SVC ANNOUNCEMENT: Word around the hood is that 1300 hours will be a time of wailing & mashing of teeth, if not cursing, cussing, sputtering and frothing of mouths. It's best to get your bloviating out of your collective systems while you can. Let's see some Alpha-holes and elbows pounding those keyboards. THE END IS NIGH!! It will be interesting to see who gets in the last word!!!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:03 AM

Not that I really care much, but what makes some of you think this forum is coming to a close?

As a matter of fact, it wouldn't bother me one bit for this to be shut down. At least "he who shall not be named" won't be able to post any longer.

:-)

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:06 AM

I agree with the person about our overmedicated society. I have never seen the like of doctors continuing to pump presription drugs to the people. Every time you turn on the T.V. what do you see a drug commercial. It seems america is addicted to drugs. How in the world can we fight the war on drugs when the doctors and the pharmacy industry is constanting dispensing more and more prescription drugs to people. Who is policing the medical industry in this country?

-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:13 AM

Let it fly back into the wild and fire, and dance and die a thousand times.

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:17 AM

Wall of Fame addition:

Neil who?? Never heard of him! "America's Got Talent"? Never watch it!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:18 AM

SWBG: The fear of a tightening is recession, but as Volcker has showen us that may be the best way out of this problem of inflation. People forget that inflation is a means of hidden taxation. The government, banks and government contractors are the main beneficiaries of the expansion of the money supply and credit. The people at the end of the table pay the costs of this expansion, meaning you and me.

The price of imports has risen at an alarming rate because of the cheap dollar.

China can no longer hold off US inflation with cheaper loans and goods, its own inflation is running at more than 8%.

I agree with you, a war with Iran should be the last thing own this government's mind with the cost of goods and services rising so fast in the US.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:19 AM

Vote for Aggie for a place on the wall of fame. Aggie

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:25 AM

It just really blows my mind for some people to think they are so innocent as to have never gotten into a tiff with anyone over anything and then to think that they have something to hold over everyone's head. Sounds much like a God Like complex to me but then again what do I know.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:27 AM

Marble Hill

They have had this problem for years. Ever since the two towns merged it has been a slow,slow,slow death to the town. The leaders of the past wanted no new factory's but there dream was to turn it in to a retirement town. "They done a great job".

In the last flood it took out several of the newer bushiness that had open. The new park and stage will flood again, it's just a matter of time.

-- Posted by Service1 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:34 AM

I guess I'm missing something, which wouldn't be surprising since I'm not on here all the time, but why would this forum need to be closed?

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:36 AM

I'm no lawyer but wouldn't some action like that being taken be a violation of our freedom of speech?

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:41 AM

Ok let me explain not takin the forum away per se but taking it away based on some people's opinion of the people in here. They have the right to post just like those people that don't like it have the right to scroll past or look away or just go away too.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:42 AM

IMO if people don't like what is being said, then why do they bother to get on. Why take something away from everyone when there are only a handful that are causing the problems??

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:43 AM

Because they feel that banning them doesn't work because they can come back and harass others so because they have their panties in a bunch they want everyone else to pay for their dislikes instead of just leaving well enough alone and letting them look like a fool every now and again

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:44 AM

Breaking News (albeit really, really, old news): Today's the day, in 1798, that G. Washington was named C in C of the U.S. Army. Just a bit of history for gov't indoctrination centers and military-haters who couldn't give a hang about history anyway!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:45 AM

Oh and because they actually think some people are crazy enough to actually physically hurt someone over what is said on here. I know there are unstable people out there but seriously people come on.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:46 AM

ok so let me see if I got this right. Just because some people want to cause trouble and have been removed and come on again under a different name there are some who want this forum closed.

People really need to grow up, those who don't like the forum, then stay off, don't read it or whatever.

Anyway it is not going to be closed, Aggie just called the office and they said the forum will not be closed.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:52 AM

Re: Fireworks

For the glove of lod, let kids be kids. If they are outside shooting fireworks at least they aren't sitting on their duffs playing videogames or conspiring to walk in your yard. The whole thing is a lesson in 'measured insanity' that kids need to learn as part of growing up. Shooting off fireworks is a great personal responsibility and common sense/safety lesson. I know now there will be posts of 'My cousin lost a finger' and 'this one guy got scarred for life' stories and statistics of how many fires etc... Give it a rest. If they lost fingers or stated fires then they apparently are the ones that failed the whole common sense safety test of it all. Don't punish everyone because some folks aren't smarter than a firecracker.

Now, firework complainer, go back and make sure no one is in your yard or, heaven forbid, leaving lawn trimmings in the street.

-- Posted by MoxFulder on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:53 AM

Well I guess that's that then huh? So much for the hammer coming down

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:53 AM

What "changes" did they say are going to occur around 1300 today if any?

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:54 AM

Although I would like to have this forum continue as is, if it is shut down, so be it.

The alternative is to start your own blog (there are many free hosting sites for blogs) and invite those who YOU see fit to join. It is very easy to do.

Wordpress is a good place to start.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:56 AM

What does it take to be considered a bully anyway? Wouldn't throwing a hissy fit because they don't like something qualify? Oh wait no that would be being a spoiled BRAT.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:56 AM

I misread that comment a bit and would like to clarify: If its the 'bigger kids' tormenting the small kids (and I mean much younger, not just the wimpy guys) then by all means go smack them upside the heads. No need for that.

-- Posted by MoxFulder on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:57 AM

Out of Whack: Growth of government is based on failure, it has been failing (growing) since the day it came into being. It has just stepped up the pace of failure.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:57 AM

Instructor, if I read your plan right, then we can post on here is we agree with you, but if we disagree then we can go post somewhere else.

GEE THANKS!

-- Posted by MoxFulder on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:59 AM

Yes Instructor Not to mention this is PUBLIC forum so ANYONE has the right to join no matter who you are. Those that feel they can mandate who joins and who doesn't need to be knocked from their pedestals quick fast and in a hurry.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:59 AM

My problem is since I will be moving soon, that I would like very much to continue to stay in touch with several of you good people. Might help me from being so homesick so to say.

Nickey as far as changes go they didn't say anything about it.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:00 AM

Herr,

No offense but this date in 1933 is more important to me. Not to say your history lessen isn't appreciated. Heck, if the occurance on this date in 1933 hadn't happened you wouldn't have the pleasure of my company and wisdom (lol or lack there of). And I wouldn't be the loveable Lib/Soc you have come to well, tolerate. hehe

Nickey and Twiggy,

Email still didn't work. :-(

OH and for the record, there hasn't been a single 'bog' that I've ever visited that didn't have some sort of socialization between posters. So don't quite understand the offense taken to people asking how others are doing, or setting up meetings to discuss things over lunch.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:03 AM

Twiggy I understand where you are coming from but you might want to as the powers that think they be mighty and beg to them and beseech them that they don't get this forum shut down with their proposals they submit while at least 5 regular posters are a lunch on a Friday (and done that way on purpose might I add)

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:03 AM

Poppa

regarding the speed of 55 it is a pain and the worst to us because we go west mostly, is that Ca is 55 for trucks period, cars can go up to 70 and we have seen so many wrecks out there all because they can't stand to get stuck behind a truck and then they go to pass us and hit someone head on. Yet the still continue to blame truckers for their stupidity.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:05 AM

Pups

sorry it won't go through I can't see that I'm doing it wrong, maybe Nickey will figure it out, she had to send it a couple of times to me before I finally recvd it.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:08 AM

Poppa

we have considered a lap top, but right now it's a little above our means, more important things have to come first. Also the 13th of this month will be our last day on the road. That's one of the reasons we are moving, Aggie is starting a new job so we will be at home daily, sadly just not in MO, will be in TX.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:11 AM

Twiggy,

sorry, wasn't meaning to imply that you were doing it wrong. It could very well be the filters on my email program that won't let it thru.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:12 AM

oh no that's ok Pups it's hard to say what the problem is, but sometimes this puter is alot smarter than I am I guess. LOL

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:13 AM

Pups I resent it to you I pasted it in the email and also sent it as an attachment. Let me know if it works!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:14 AM

Nickey,

Please concider that the poster in which you speak might have just been having a bit of evil fun. Hopeing that someone would react in such a way as to prove that some take what is being posted as too personal. Also to see the reactions from those that might not comprehend that it is all in good fun. Granted I could be way off base and not understand what I thought I had.

Am I going to have to add you to the "take a breath" support group (our membership is growing everyday lol)??? LOL (just having fun with ya.)

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:18 AM

Oh I get what you're saying Pups and I have been thinking more before "speaking" however at the same time I just find it rather odd is all. I'm not taking anything personally I am thinking about everyone else too. For instance Twiggy and Aggie who were not here when all this went down and COULDN'T voice an opinion in the subject.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:21 AM

I was lost a bit with Herr's comment but then was informed there are those who want the Speak Out forum cancelled.

First of all, you have a choice to get up and turn your pc on then click on the Missourian and Speak Out. You have a choice to read the forum then comment.

Second, you have a choice NOT to follow the above.

If you don't like what or who is posting, go somewhere else. There are those, myself included, who enjoy posting here.

IMO, to shut the forum down compares to the Dems trying to shut down Rush, Sean etc. No one is making you listen to them, so stop whinning and go your merry way somewhere else. Aggie

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:26 AM

Forum,

While I have cut back on posting, I would hate to see this forum eliminated or significantly changed. If people don't like it or are offended then they can choose not to participate; simple.

55 mph,

I can hardly believe so many people are in favor of government intervention on how fast we drive for anything other than safety reasons. Why don't we just have them take all of our pickups, vans, boats, RV's, ATV's, riding mowers, recreation watercraft etc. and only let us have a Toyota Prius or other hybrid? I drive 55 or less on none interstate highways when I am not obstructing traffic and often drive 60 to 65 on interstates. I also make very few non essential trips. I can afford to drive as fast or as often as I want, I just choose not to and would like to continue to have that freedom.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:27 AM

Hi ya Pups:

Now, I thought I've admonished you before about getting your appointed "Lib" status right. What? Am I gonna have to ask DES to escort you back to one of Instructor's reindoctrination centers???!!! According to the DES data base, you are not, repeat, ARE NOT classified as a Lib-soc on the subversive sliding spectrum scale. You are merely a standard mock-one, mod-one Lib!!! Sorry to disappoint you...please don't cry, or at least save the wailing until 1300 hours!

NOTICE: This has been a j/k & IMO comment and approved as a disclaimer by the PC Nazi Brownshirt Committee for Thought/Speech/Action Control (PCNBCTSAC)!! Request any emoting of offense be properly submitted with the "chits" (in triplicate) to above said committee. Burma (no "chit") Shave!!!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:29 AM

Aggie

Time will tell if there is truth or not as "zero hour" is just 2 1/2 hours away.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:29 AM

Nickey,

I understand. Just wanted you to see maybe a different perspective. Not saying opinions aren't appreciated, and enjoy your take on things. Just as I do some that I disagree with.

On email, it worked!! And I'm going to have to add my name to the list of agreement that maybe it is best not shared with everyone. :-)

Well, time to get some other work done. Everyone enjoy another great day!! Twiggy, please be safe on your trip!! You know how us bad Californians can be on the road. *wink*

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:31 AM

Pups

Don't worry the modified avatar will stay in my box unless I am feeling particularly evil :)

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:33 AM

Poppa

I am hoping that this job is going to be as good as we have been told. We will no longer be driving a truck at all. I am supposedly not going to have to work unless I choose to, that way I can come home when the need or desire comes to do so. I am afraid though with the type of work Aggie will be doing, that he will be working longer and harder hours than when we drive, but this is something he really wants to give a shot at, so hopefully it will be the best for both of us.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:36 AM

Pups,

thanks and yes I do know how you Ca people are. J/K you are the exception.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:38 AM

Herr,

Aahhh you do care!! LMAO just razzing.

Don't know if I would survive one of Instructor's reindoctrination centers. Are we sure there aren't 'showers' at said centers for those of us of the Lib mentality to be 'cleaned'????

*disclaimer* Was just a joke and not intended to make light of history!!!

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:42 AM

Hmmmm Twiggy do you think since the impending "doom" of the forum is upon us I should just go ahead and use my modified avatar. Why not right?

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:43 AM

I agree, we can't just take off and drive what ever speed we would like, that would be stupid and alot more dangerous than already is. My main thing is they shouldn't have2 different speeds for auto and trucks, at least not such a big difference in between the 2, if you know what I mean.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:43 AM

Nickey,

NO now behave before you get sent to your corner.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:45 AM

I sit in a corner all day anyway (hello cubicle walls)so what would be the difference???

Hey anyone have any thoughts on these threats of closing the forum being considered as intimidating under this new internet harrasment law? Just a though very very very similar if you ask me.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:51 AM

Nickey

try to get control of your harmones, I know being with baby is at times making them go nuts. as Pups says take a deep breath.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:54 AM

Poppa

totally agree, I have always tried to respect anything bigger than I am, plus my family has several truck drivers and I started about 5 years agoand Aggie has for around 12 years, have seen way to many accidents as you say due to the split speed limit. Wonder why the government or whoever can seem to figure this one out for themselves. Maybe they should try driving a big truck?

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:58 AM

First of all, this is not a public forum. The SE Missourian is very much a private business and as such, can ax this forum in a heartbeat.

Mox, I was joking about not agreeing with me. Take a deep breath. Now, let it out.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:58 AM

Private business yes but you don't have to be a member to post so in that sense it would be considered a public forum for due to the public having access to it.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 12:00 PM

Poppa,

Not meaning to be disagreeable, but I personally believe the speeds should be determined based solely on safety rather than any other factors including those you mentioned. I don't disagree with the benefits of driving slower as I do so for the very reasons you enumerated. I must also admit that I do not like the idea of laws being passed on "popular vote" as true democracy as opposed to what we have is mob rule. One example in Missouri was Proposition B in which the majority of voters voted against allowing Missourians to carry a concealed weapon. We have that ability in spite of the majority of voters voting against it primarily in the metropolitan areas. I am sure there are others, but don't want to take up too much space. I am not going to lose any sleep over it one way or the other as I am retired. I have no where to go and all day to get there.

I guess my main objection is the all too often "there ought to be a law" refrain in response to just about anything that comes along. While I am addressing my comments to you, I am not accusing you of this mindset, just throwing it in. My dad was a truck driver into his mid seventies and I know what truck drivers deal with out there also and good luck to you all.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 12:01 PM

Yes Pups, go ahead and place all your clothes in this pile. Any personal effects of value go in this pile over here.

Now go ahead and step into the shower with all the other liberals. You'll be "clean" in a few minutes.....

(THIS IS A JOKE)

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 12:01 PM

Twiggy my hormones are fine you know I am a smart aleck when I am pregnant or not just my nature besides I get it honestly from your mother or did you forget :)

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 12:01 PM

Anyone from the public (within reason) has access to Wal-Mart but it does not fore go the right of management to ask someone to leave.

Just because the public has access does not mean they cannot be asked to leave. If you refuse, trespass charges would be in order.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 12:05 PM

I understand that Instructor but what I am trying to say is people who post here (ie me and you) CANNOT dictate who stays and who goes its up to the paper. But if they are going to allow for these forums for public access there are certain rights just as there are certain laws that have to be abided by within reason.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 12:07 PM

Speak Out Forums are like weeds ..

stomp one out , another grows back somewhere else..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 12:08 PM

Pups:

I'm sure one of Instructor's "facilities" will accomodate you just fine (hee,hee), with all the perks you would expect from a, how should I say, "historic" perspective!!! I should add, however, that if you're asked to pull head/shower-cleaning duty, be wary of funny odors coming out of the shower heads...oh, and be sure to check the lampshades in the camp's clinic!!!!

Disclaimer: This is a big-time J/K & IMO comment, fully approved by PCNBCTSAC!! (Burma kinda/sorta) Shave.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 12:12 PM

Overmedicated Society:

My Grandma made an interesting comment the other day. She said "Back in the day, people just died. They didn't always have a reason for why they died. They just died. Now they have all these medications and anyone who's not "normal" has something wrong with 'em. Maybe the good Lord just made everyone a little different and there's really nothing wrong with them in the first place."

-- Posted by LulaBell on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 12:19 PM

Lulabell

Not trying to say your wrong, some of what you say could be true. However what about all the psycho's out there in the world. Some one who is say bi-polar for instance, if meds can help that person along with counseling then to me they would benefit with the help. Of course they has and always will be those who abuse drugs and alcohol. Sorry if I misinterpeted what you were saying, I hope you see what I'm trying to say.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 12:24 PM

It sure would be nice if we all had access to the same "privied" information as Herr. Would be an awful, but opportune shame if Herr has pulled a sham.

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 12:37 PM

Hey anyone have any thoughts on these threats of closing the forum being considered as an attempt to be intimidating under this new internet harrasment law?

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 12:43 PM

At this time and point I'm not sure what to think. It's so quite though it's like everyone is waiting for a bomb to drop or something.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 12:44 PM

I would guess anything is possible.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 12:45 PM

You and me both Joe

I just would like to know how one action justifies the other if the same thing is being done on both ends in essence

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 12:48 PM

JC:

Now, how could you say such a hateful thing like that...about me pulling a shame(ful) sham; well, but hey, it kinda rhymes nice...oops, no it doesn't!! Everybody knows I'm just an innocent if not lovable little HERRball. Even my groupies insist I'm pretty and petable...or is that pretty petable?! Oh, well, one must consider my main herd of groupies are bunnies too!! So what can I say?

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 12:50 PM

From what I was told from the Missourian two hours ago, they have no intentions to close the forum. Aggie

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 12:51 PM

Herr,

No. They don't rhyme; however, a good case of alliteration is taking place between the two. Well, curiousity is going to kill this cat, so I am going to call the Missourian personally and get the scoop myself.

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 12:54 PM

Oh the docs get lunches and "dinner seminars" too but Who me is right they only get certain kickbacks that don't amount to much.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 12:55 PM

Well, that was resolved quick enough. It appears as if either Herr is a liar OR his sources are defunked. I just spoke with Matt Sanders personally, and was told that Herr's statements are a complete falsehood.

Herr, I am unsure of your intentions for spreading such maliciousness, but actions such as those are catagorically just as harmful (and now illegal) as some of the accusations you and gurusmom have made against other posters in this forum.

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 1:01 PM

Well all it's been interesting today, but we gotta hit the road. Have a great 4th of July.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 1:07 PM

I called it a god-like complex earlier and I honestly do see that as fitting but more accuratly Gurusmom and Herr have this obscure view of the way things should be in here from their view but it seems they have forgotten by these actions they are just as guilty and bad if not worse the the rest of us that are unworthy in their eyes to be here.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 1:07 PM

I don't believe Herr to be a liar. In this instance, he might have been misinformed by a third party but liar he is not.

Besides, he helps me run the re-indoctrination center currently being built by KBR behind the library in Fruitland Missouri. We have a scheduled completion date of 11 Sep 2008.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 1:10 PM

Report made in triplicate.

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 1:10 PM

I said, "or his sources are defunked." Seems that someone as "smart" as Herr would check out the validity of his sources before making such profound statements though.

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 1:12 PM

JC:

Ah, well, if this bog is supposed to be a forum for expressing "opinions", then how can it be illegal? And where did you get your law degree, from Burma Shave? Harrrrgh! Stand to. You will figure it all out soon enough...well, provided Mule doesn't drag me off to do other more useful things!!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 1:16 PM

Instructor:

Thanks for your support. And as a side note of interest, I'd like you to know that I've expedited contruction and equiping of said re-indoctrination center so it will be fully operational by mid-Aug; however, the grand opening ceremony is planned for 10 Sep 08, just in case. Proud to be of service.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 1:22 PM

Again Herr...what is there to figure? Are you making threats?? Is some foul act of retribution going to befall posters who deemed to be unsuited for contribution?

Again, I think this was address in Blunt's new Internet Harassment Law. I think you better read it closely. If you know something, spit it out. If it's fabrication...IMO you better layoff. Matt Sanders sounded very frustrated with the comment when I called him. (apparently he received a few other calls about your statement)

So I guess...why or how would you know something that Sanders doesn't? Please enlighten us before it's too late. Because as you have said THE END IS NIGH. Do I need to take my kids somewhere to keep them safe?

Well...this is all getting me anxietish now Herr. Perhaps I better call my lawyer, my doctor....I'm pretty upset with the how you are playing this game of yours.

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 1:35 PM

Before I leave I have to say something.. This is starting to sound a little like the radio think what was it called War of the Worlds??

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 1:39 PM

sorry I meant thing not think

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 1:40 PM

Not too mention that we have a pregnant female in the forum that could also be easily upset with your remarks as we all await this metaphorical hammer of yours to drop.

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 1:40 PM

Ag/Twig.

Exactly! I'm getting ready to move my kids into the bunker now. We've been filling water jugs for the last hour.

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 1:42 PM

My problem is I have no bunker. The pregnant female and her children are one of my biggest concerns, being it's my daughter and grandchildren.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 1:43 PM

Hark! I think I hear the City's emergency sirens blasting in the distance!

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 1:44 PM

Awwww look it concern for an instigator! Thanks so much. I don't know what is going on or who is "coming back" but its pretty silly if its all a sham

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 1:46 PM

Maybe it's an airborne pathogen or terrorist attack? Which comes first? The frothing? Or the Nashing of Teeth? I cuss a lot already...have I already been infected?? Should I call the police? or the National Guard? Dru...Have you received any emergency pages within the last hour?

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 1:47 PM

I'm thinking this all has to do with blowing smoke up the arses of everyone just to try and make a point however there are OTHER ways to go about it rather than this.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 1:49 PM

Wait Wait I GOT IT!!!!!!!! the building is gonna flood and the server is gonna crash. That's what this is all about isn't it. The frothing and teeth gnashing are all about the addicts going through withdrawls!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 1:51 PM

I can take a joke as good as the next person, but with the way things are these days it's a good way to start a major panic.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 1:51 PM

JC:

Methinks you doth "project" too much! Considering the hate and vilification you've spewed out in the past, if not veiled threats, what makes you think you're not one of those "usual suspects". Oh, and not meaning to raise your paranoia index any higher than it already is, what "threats" on my part might you be referring to. Be specific, please, as my lawyers may also be interested! As for Gov. Blunt's new IHL. Not applicable to me; however, possibly you and others could star in the show!!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 1:52 PM

Twiggy Mass histeria and the Salem witch trials much right???

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 1:52 PM

I am so confused I better get the rest of my stuff packed for Ca so we can deliver our load on time. Becareful everyone and do try and have a good week.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 1:54 PM

Well, only five more minutes left. I guess we better start saying our prayers and our last good-byes. Aggie! I love ya man! I always wanted to tell ya that!!

It's getting dark now!

Now the light she fades And darkness settles in

But I will find strength, I will find pride within

Because although I die, Our freedom will be won

Though I die, La resistance lives ohhhn ughhhhhh. -Mole

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 1:54 PM

Don't the lawyer threats lower you to that level as you put it Herr? And as far as I know the IHL applies to everyone. No one is above the law

Besides all that that law technically isn't in effect until 8/28

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 1:55 PM

LMAO South Park is an awesome movie!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 1:56 PM

Aggie will be so pleased to hear that and as soon as he gets here with our truck if it isn't to late I will let him know. But wait what about me?

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 1:57 PM

Well zero hour is upon us and nothing

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 2:01 PM

Everyone go to the bunker or something?

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 2:03 PM

Oh Herr my dear dear friend.

Please...read excerpts from the law please.

2) By engaging, without good cause, in any other act with the purpose to frighten, intimidate, or cause emotional distress to another person, cause such person to be frightened, intimidated, or emotionally distressed, and such person's response to the act is one of a person of average sensibilities considering the person's age.

Under this act, the definition of "harasses" is modified to include conduct directed at a specific person that serves no legitimate purpose, that would cause a reasonable person to be frightened or intimidated, as well as emotionally distressed.

Never said I was innoscent, but I AM a victim just as well and can readily point the finger myself. (Including you) I've had my name, address, and other things posted in this forum long before most of you knew of it's existance. I have 18 months of forum posts that I could cite if you would be interested in reading them.

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 2:04 PM

Oh, and one more general question/consideration for all. Who's bright idea was it to start pointing fingers a G-Mom for all this good stuff? Huh? Her role in this bog, as I understand it (or perhaps suggested!), is to function as the Bog Counselor/disciplinarian...in other words, in S-Bethie's absence, to gently but firmly paddle offenders and send them to the principal's office.

G-Mom's not only incisively fun, but also one of the more level-headed folks in this bog. So leave here out of this fray. She can start her own "stuff" for fun & non-profit if she so chooses!!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 2:06 PM

It just seems that you and her are the ones to look down upon all us commoners and cite us for "bad" behavior when you yourself have just engaged in some of the worst that I have ever seen and how convenient for her to be gone for the past few days while you egg it on after she supports and suggests 100% into it. No one said we needed a disciplinarian so a self appointed one is over kill.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 2:10 PM

I never said she was the guilty party for this little stunt however she tends to look down her nose at those of us who have a hearty debate more often than not and has a holier than thou above it all and the law complex too.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 2:12 PM

As per the previously quoted law, I am anxietish over your statement of,

"PUBLIC SVC ANNOUNCEMENT: Word around the hood is that 1300 hours will be a time of wailing & mashing of teeth, if not cursing, cussing, sputtering and frothing of mouths. It's best to get your bloviating out of your collective systems while you can. Let's see some Alpha-holes and elbows pounding those keyboards. THE END IS NIGH!! It will be interesting to see who gets in the last word!!!"

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, 9:03 am CDT

Now...considering it's after 1300 hours, it appears as if the statement you made at 9:03am were false. So...did you do it to cause panick within the ranks? Too intimidate and weed out posters? What was the purpose?? Truely, I am "offended" by YOUR childish actions of scaring everyone up, and causing a ruckus in the forum.

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 2:12 PM

Humm, well I for one can say I have not said anything negative about gurusmom, matter of fact she has always been very nice to me, as you have also Herr. I just guess that I'm not exactly sure of what has been going on, and I know I don't have time to go back and read each and every day that we are gone.

However all that being said again I wish you all a good week.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 2:13 PM

I'll admit it because I did it.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 2:16 PM

Point is no one is perfect no one in here can say they never had a snit with someone else and those of you that think you haven't are sorely mistaken

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 2:23 PM

Well...Amidst the defunked message, Norad is still intact. It appears as if phantom projectiles were instigated into the forum by a (I think the word is "troll".)

While I've had my wrist smacked a couple of times over some of my actions, I hope that Matt Sanders addresses the troll who instilled false fears into posters of the forum. I have chest pains now, so I'm off to take a nitro pill from all of this "button pushing" action.

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 2:24 PM

Besides what's the worst that can happen I am of course just expressing my opinion of someone or something as everyone in here has done and does everyday so what have I done wrong.

Its not like I started some outlandish debacle as others did today

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 2:26 PM

Ahhh a useful read.

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

Hmmmm....Do we have any of these in here??

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 2:36 PM

LOL I'd say there are at least a few dozen of those.

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 2:50 PM

uh huh and I'm not naming any names. Don't wanna be called and instigator or worse

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 2:52 PM

Regardless...someone posted something today with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response.

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 2:54 PM

yes they did

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 2:58 PM

Well left and came back and everyone is still here so guess all the hype was false. As far as getting an emotional response I will no longer give one of those it just gets you referred to as an instigator.

Nickey

When the time comes I guess we could all use the same avatar and maybe try to relay a message that way!!!!!!!! Sorry pups but sometimes women are just plain evil!

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:06 PM

Angel...Ohh great idea...I would be SOO SOO up for that! LOL

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:07 PM

Who Me

Sorry but all the free lunches, supplies etc are kickbacks that the pharmacy reps hand out to doctors and their staff. I have worked in offices have friends that still do and it goes on everyday.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:08 PM

Joe

We will have to get with Nickey and set up a date and time to put that plan into action.......of course it might be deemed as harrassment! Nah still be worth it!

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:10 PM

Well out for awhile again. Going to celebrate dads 65th. Later

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:12 PM

Name the time and place we all have a copy so whenever you're ready!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:13 PM

But I really really like that avatar. Is there a law against several people liking the same avatar??

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:13 PM

I made it up and I have no copyrights or trade marks to it

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:14 PM

Semo,

Even the most angelic can be evil. hehe

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:16 PM

Whew!! Had a little trouble getting the securing lugs on the blast door in the bunker unjammed...and had to do it in time to let the Mule ******* to work. Now I guess I'll have to "troll" around for a little fresh roadkill for tonight.

Oh, and JC:

I found your 1:12 pm post interesting. Regarding my 9:03 post, well, we in "the hood" (that's neighborhood, for you lost souls from Rio Linda!) were actually concerned about hearing whether or not our road fees where going to be raised, due to the fact that we have to consider having the roads in "the hood" re-paved soon. And, yup, we found out this afternoon that, because of increased costs, we now know that we have to caugh up more cash...that definately invokes wailing and mashing of teeth, etc. Or, come to think about it, maybe some of you got confused with something that came up last week. Darn. Crud happens!

Gee, if that provokes panic attacks and other disorders for folks in the bog, well, sorry 'bout that. Perhaps some of the junior shrinks from the other day in the bog can help you out!!

Well, perhaps when I get some mandated chores done, I can explain some things which may help restore a sense of order in some rather disordered minds. OK?

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:17 PM

Pups,

It's 2:25pm and we're still here. Nickey and I haven't had the FBI come charging in or been swarmed by any black helicopters yet.

I'm sure Orson Wells is patting Herr on the back for a job well done.

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:20 PM

I just wrote a long post and then deleted it. Bottom line is I like Herr and Gurusmom as well as Super Bethie or at least their on line personas as I do not know them personally. I don’t understand what everyone is so upset about.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:23 PM

i believe the funniest part of this whole ordeal is that the idea of something happening to this little forum would cause panic in anyone. If that is the worst of your troubles people, then you are all blessed.

-- Posted by all_i_hear_is_blah_blah on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:23 PM

Darn I wish I didn't have to leave, seems I always miss all the fun, but our truck is loaded and now we have no more excuses to stay. Nickey keep me updated, it's been a very interesting day. Oh yeah I love that avitar also. Joe, I'm still a little hurt that you said u loved Aggie and skipped me completely. J/K LOL

Twiggy

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:24 PM

Ok,The Wolf chimes in!

Matt Blunt is an idiot!This internet bully law he signed is a perfect example of that.This may certainly sound insensitive but that young ladies death that

gave birth to this law was very sad. I not too sure other issues were not at play.Now I suppose the internet police will be in full force patroling the

word waves.I fear the end is near!How will I ever conduct myself properly in this media in the future?

A huge apology to all of you here, if in the past year, I have caused any of you any distress or malice!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:25 PM

Red_Rhino

I never had a problem with any of them either and never said I have a problem with SuperBethie ever at all once. Matter of fact I know her personally and she is an exceptional person.

I don't know Gurusmom but I do not like they way that people will bully others and she will jump to the bully's defense when the other person starts to defend themself. And of course the fact that she acts like she has and can do no wrong. Same with Herr. No one is untouchable and the two of them act like they are.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:30 PM

Herr, nice try...but the insinuation is still there.

It's best to get your bloviating out of your collective systems while you can. Let's see some Alpha-holes and elbows pounding those keyboards. THE END IS NIGH!! It will be interesting to see who gets in the last word!!!"

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, 9:03 am

Bloviating refers to the blogesphere. I mean...after all...when you "knew" that many in the forum understood your post to infer the end of the forum, you made no clarification that it didn't.

I mean after all...you have been pretty active with this project of yours since last Friday.

C-babe:

"Per a somewhat cryptic message received over the weekend, I'd prefer to wait 'til tomorrow to see what drops...er, so to speak.

BTW. Didn't you see my "proposal" last Fri? I kinda-sorta mangled some of my favorite PPs (Patton's Principles) in a not-so-valient, albeit cheeky attempt to preempt and befuddle some of the suits at the paper...sorta like a "Get there fustus w/the mostus" action...to further mangle a quote from some fun-loving guy who simply wanted to take an extended stroll to the beach, not to mention roast a few goodies along the way!!"

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Mon, Jun 30, 2008, 1:57 pm CDT

IMO...you're intentions look rather malicious, and again infer that you were intentionally posting with a legitimate purpose, that would cause a reasonable person to be frightened or intimidated, as well as emotionally distressed.

That's just me. I don't know who agrees or not. But to ME it looks malicious.

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:31 PM

http://www.senate.mo.gov/08info/BTS_Web/...

Summary of the internet harassment bill....sorry folks, every time you get upset on this forum you do not have the right to file suit. As a matter of fact, have fun trying to find an attorney to even listen to you without having a large wallet full of $100's.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:35 PM

As far as the self appointed disciplinarian thing Bethie does it jokingly and Gurusmom comes across as condescending

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:36 PM

GREYWOLF

Ditto.

Cyberbulling is a terrible thing, moron. It has effected the population to such a degree, Smurf smelling *ss muncher, that even our children are no longer safe. I know that we, as parents, who don't take the time from packing a bowl or draining a liter of Jack, have a huge responsiblity for our future. We need to thank Matt Blunt, dipsh*t, for helping push this, cradle to grave, law.

This piece was done in honor of Chevy Chase. The best undertone comedic genius there has been. Well, when he was younger, because he really stinks now. And next to George Carlin..."Curse Words." Need I say more.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:37 PM

MeLange

Pump patrol,

Would the attendent pump gas, check oil, tire pressure and wash the windshield? Oh wait, I slipped back into the good ole' day's time warp-the full service gas station...those were the days

-- Posted by Me'Lange on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, 6:16 am CDT

Not only that but we got green stamps, too. LOL

-- Posted by BABE on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:37 PM

This is off topic, but it is timely. BTW who determines the topics? Is it the first poster of the day or is it just supposed to be the topics the paper posts? Just asking.

Thursday July 3rd is the 20th anniversary of the missile launch from USS Vincennes that downed an Iranian Airbus A300 that killed all 290 passengers including 66 children.

Following the tragic incident, ranked seventh among the deadliest airliner fatalities, unapologetic US officials said their naval officers had mistaken the Iranian Airbus A300 for an F-14 Tomcat fighter. I agree that that was probably true. Just a tragic mistake, even though the airbus was 3 times larger than a F-14 and the plane was not in an attack mode.

However this is what galls me. In August 1988, George H.W. Bush was quoted by Newsweek as saying, "I'll never apologize for the United States of America. ever. I don't care what the facts are." (huh?)66 kids killed.

This also seems strange to me. The Vincennes crew received combat-action ribbons. Lieutenant Commander Scott Lustig, air-warfare coordinator on the Vincennes, was awarded with the Commendation Medal for 'heroic achievement', noting his 'ability to maintain his poise and confidence under fire'.(what?) I thought it was a mistake, not an heroic action.

I remember at the time, most of America including myself, was still pretty upset from the hostage taking at our embassy just 8 years earlier, but I thought at least an apology was in order to the families. Aren't we supposed to be bigger than our "enemies?"

Maybe Bush didn't apologize because at that time he and Donald Rumsfeld were still bosom buddies with Saddam. Saddam was fighting a bloody war with Iran and we were suppling him with weapons.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:37 PM

Red,

This all goes back further than last week, last month, or even last year. IMO, this all revolves around "certain" posters wanting to silence more "open minded" posters.

I don't have anything personally against Guru or Herr. But to "insinuate" repercussions while placing oneself upon a pedastal is a bit over the top...don't you think?

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:38 PM

No one said we did Instructor.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:38 PM

Nicky,

While I often enjoy Herr's posts, I don't take a thing he says seriously as I don't think he intends them to be. I believe he is just having fun or his version of it. I have admitted that much of his humor is over my head and some of it is just plain silly and probably intentionally so. I remember how much everyone or many missed him when he was on vacation and now some seem to want to get the pitchforks out. As to Gurusmom I can think of several instances in which she has highlighted her shortcomings and I am sure that JC who has an archive that is somewhat scary to me could find them if he so chooses. Some who have been one step ahead of the villagers now lead the charge. I guess I am just old and confused so don't pay any attention to anything I say I don't mean to stir anything up. Yeah I know; should kept my fingers still in the first place.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:39 PM

Why do people think that a problem with internet personalities is a problem personally anyway.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:40 PM

No Red Please type who I am I to try and silence you I was just providing an explination to your question of the issue is all. Didn't mean to offend you if I did I am truely sorry

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:42 PM

well gotta go its that time have fun and be nice!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:43 PM

Red,

again...18 months ago..it was necessary to keep an archive. If you think things are "funkeled" up now...you should have been posting over a year ago.

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:43 PM

Fajar,

Nope,you need not say more as you have said it so much better than I!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:49 PM

jeezus pete already...

*cracks her whip with vigor*

-- Posted by Super_Bethie on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:49 PM

Joe_Cool,

I haven't been reading these that long, so maybe I missed something, but I try not to dwell on stuff too long.

As to "thinking", I have tried it and I only get a headache.

I said it several weeks ago and it bears repeating. I hope NO ONE stops posting on here as I find it often enjoyable and informative. There are several on here with whom I vehemently disagree, but enjoy their thoughts and like their persona. Some with whom I agree I don't believe I would like in real life; just the nature of things. I know some are different in person, but how are you to know which is which and when.

New Internet Law,

Too vague in my opinion to ever survive in court unless you have an exceptionally blatant violation and even then I am not sure.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 3:56 PM

GREYWOLF

Thanks man. Thought it was off the cuff, as all my rants are, but wish I could do BOLD or italics of the subtle phrases. Would have came off better.

Before I forget (because my weeks are pretty scr*wy) to all my fellow Vets and forum members...Happy Fourth. Remember to appreciate the Freedoms and Sacrifices made by those Americans by blowing up a little chunk of it!

Com'on! "Rockets red glare! The bombs bursting in air!" Love a National Anthem that has a lil violence in it.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 4:01 PM

Pups

HAPPY BIRTHDAY to my favorite liberal.

-- Posted by BABE on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 4:03 PM

Fajar,

thanks bud.I have the bunker in good shape and several hundred dollars in "Red Glare" purchased and plan soon to light the night up with some "bombs bursting in air"

Which will give proof through the night that my money is no longer there!Yes, have a safe 4th and indeed a big thanks to all my Veteran brothers as well as all those serving now.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 4:13 PM

Pups! It's your birthday? Well, maybe we'll let you skip that shower!

Happy Birthday young man.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 4:15 PM

Babe and Instructor,

Sorry for the confusion, but it's not my Birthday. It would have been my Mother's 75th Birthday today. Without her, I wouldn't be the person I am. Again, didn't mean to imply that it was my Birthday.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 4:24 PM

Red-Rhino:

Just stepped back in for a moment and caught your post or two. Question for ya. How come only a few in this bog, like you, G-Mom and some others, can manage to "break-the-code" (at least mine!) so easily, when others fail so miserably??!

Again, now in open defense of G-Mom, against some of the usual attack-dog mentalities that seem to prevail here, she had no clue what I was up to a week or so ago. G-Mom merely glommed on to something I was mulling over, and then mildly prodded me once in awhile to come out with it...just out of curiosity. So those of you attack dogs who seem to hate and resent nice, rather calm folks like G-Mom, then you have some personal problems that could use professional help. And perhaps I'll have to regenerate that "shared paranoia" label I made up a week or so ago too...seems appropriate enough in this toilet. So, 'nough said on that. Sorry for the intolerance of some which drew you into this, G-Mom.

Trying to maintain a sense of humor is too much like work in a slop-bog like this. So I'll be back soon to spell it out for those of you who are so ate-up with yourselves to have broken the code yourselves in the first place. In the meantime, go "pluck yourselves"...I'm sure you can find that story in your archives, JC, which few could even see the humor of either.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 4:26 PM

PUPS,

Good to give your mother her due. Without her you wouldn't be.

-- Posted by SWBG on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 4:27 PM

SWBG & Melange,

Thanks. It has been a little over 5 years since her passing, but just felt like mentioning her today.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 4:35 PM

Internet censureship bill: May it never be used. The Internet is the best device ever built for communication. The Missouri Congress and Governor Blunt go sit in the corner. I can't believe that Missouri produced people like you.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 4:37 PM

Well **** it Pups! You had me all excited that it was your birthday. Oh well, I have missed it the last 40 or so times. Another year isn't going to kill either one of us.

By the way, have you thought about lunch on Thursday???

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 4:39 PM

Nickey and JC,

Please reread my 10:18 am post. I was kind of letting you know something.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 4:39 PM

Instructor,

Concidering you have miss all 42 of them.... with intrest compounded yearly... I would say you owe me one drink. LOL

Thursday sounds good to me. Just need to know where.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 4:45 PM

Babe,

BTW: That is probably the nicest thing you have ever said to me. I appreciate it more then you know!!!! (not being funny or sarcastic, just honest!!)

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 4:47 PM

Pups

Ooops, I misread the year you posted. I know, I know...I miss my Mom so much and she's been gone eight years now.

-- Posted by BABE on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 4:54 PM

Pups,

Yes...I caught that, but still intended on realizing the full demise of the forum since Herr's statements yesterday were reinforced by another poster.

Herr, you can disclaim your actions all you want. I think it boils down to personal perception. "Personally" I found the whole ordeal tactless in that things have calmed down and been resolved, but you "insisted" up still stirring the pot.

Again, if some of you that point the fingers at actions here in the forum would come to lunch, you would realize that when we meet, we do work things out. I don't know how much I have to stress that point.

A good example of this is the former tension between Instructor and myself. Once we sat down and hashed out some of the differences, we realized that there are several issues we actually agree upon.

As far as panic over losing the forum...not really. I was more curious as to how it was going to go down. though.

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 4:57 PM

These are the facts (and because it is my opinion it is certainly a fact to me).

New internet bullying law (or whatever it is called) is a piece of political bunk to show to people that politicians are doing something about this kind of behavior. It scores some brownie points. Matt Blunt will be running for office (likely senate) at some point and this is one of those feel good laws to make it look like he did something (kind of like putting that you were a member of "Who's Who Among American High School Students" on a college application). On the surface the law makes for good sound bite material. In all likelihood it will have no real affect except in extreme cases.

-- Posted by SWBG on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 5:00 PM

Melange,

Because those things are not possible via the computer!

Words can't kill you nor can they cause physical injury!If they could I would have been dead long ago.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 5:01 PM

Melange,

Going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I find the wording of what I've seen so far, way to vague. And could lead to many many false charges down the road.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 5:02 PM

Off current topic, but on a current SO topic.

Timing the signals-

Someone called in about Knudtson oweing money to the citizens of Cape for the timing of the lights. After a week of stop and go on Kingshighway...I'm starting to agree. Something needs to be done. It's wearing down my brakes, and surely eats up the gas.

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 5:08 PM

Melange,

Not sure I'm making any sense, as I have typed and deleted several questions/statements for you on the new law. They just aren't reading the way I want them too. Guessing this might be an actually face/face discussion. I get a break later if your home?

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 5:13 PM

Stalking/harassing/bullying on the Internet. My wife and I are still laughing over it. I suprised that my chair held up over it. There must be something in the water at Jefferson City.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 5:24 PM

How about lunch at the China Palace buffet on Broadway this Thursday? We can all sit around, get fat, dumb and happy while solving the world's problems.

What say you????

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 5:30 PM

Instructor,

Since I am already all those things, I guess I'm ok with it. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 5:33 PM

I have fat and dumb down. It's the happy part that always seems to be the real problem. lol

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 5:33 PM

I'm bringing one of those safe sippy cups this time. Sounds good to me. FYI...I had a terrible breakfast at Huddle House today. I think that's what I get for watching Diner's, Drive-ins, and Dives...then thinking that Huddle House will awe my stomach.

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 5:36 PM

JC

Keep in mind opening days are 'work out the kinks' days.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 5:38 PM

I took that into account. The place was clean...but the food had no love in it, and is the typical "prefab" ingrediants that you incurr when you visit chain restaurants. This town needs a Mom and Pop diner in the worst way. And noooooo....Not "Sands Pancake House" I spent 3 years there eating breakfast and lunch. LOL

Some of the Diner's that Guy visits have some pretty awesome menus.

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 5:44 PM

Then China Palace it is. Remind me what time you usually eat lunch at these "get togethers".

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 5:47 PM

James Nall

It might seem amusing to you and your wife, but internet stalking is a real threat. When one signs up to post under a screen name and is assured of their confidentially they put trust in their host site. I actually think the host site should be prosecuted along with the stalker if that privacy is violated.

-- Posted by BABE on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 5:52 PM

Well...I'm off to research and figure out how Dalek Caan unlocked the time-locked Time War.

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 5:52 PM

Instructor,

Usually between 11:30 and Noon.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 5:56 PM

Good Grief Babe! NO ONE was or is stalking you. You're email info was sent to me via the Missourian. Additionally, you dared me to post it AND slandered me by calling me gutless if I didn't post it. I'd becareful making accusations. You could be prosecuted yourself.

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 5:57 PM

You had my information as well. Should I inquire about a sign I had stolen? Or about the prank telephone calls that I received?

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 5:58 PM

Probably don't need to post this for most, but quite some time ago someone on this forum outlined how individuals are able to post under different names by creating fictional/additional email addresses and identities. If someone fears their true name might be released maybe this is an option. I am using my real name and email address on mine, but maybe I need to create another persona. If it were possible for the the site to be held liable for inadvertent release of name and information then you can rest assured that they would stop hosting same.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 6:08 PM

Red Rhino

Is this your 'real' name?

-- Posted by BABE on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 6:16 PM

Babe: I will only describe my take of the law this way; anyone who posts not knowing the mental condition of the reader can be prosecuted if that reader does harm to himself. The unstable reader, of which there are many, may consider your post to be Stalking/Harassing/Bullying. It is a convenient law to prosecute non-PC behavior of a political foe, or can be used make everyone feel guilty of a crime by even posting.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 6:16 PM

MENTAL HEALTH WARNING: READ AT OWN RISK

OK, OK, boys & girls. Let's see if I can put a well-beaten ole horse to bed now...well, maybe just sneak in a little more unauthorized fun while I'm at it.

First, a DISCLAIMER, right up front: It's all Rush Limbaugh's fault! He forced me to 1). Have more fun than a human being (or bean, if you will) should be allowed to have; and 2). Demonstrating absurdity (in this bog) by being absurd (as I always strive to be!). So there. Let the hangings begin as deemed appropriate!

Now then. On to breaking the code of my little gambit...which most of you yahoos should have been able to do from the git-go, but failed to do so...hmmm, at least that rhymes!

Last Thursday, 19 Jun 08, was the launch date which seemed to have caused excessive stress and grief, for the weak-minded I suppose. That's when I decided to see what it might be like to commit "cyber-suicide", just for cruds-n-grins. I therefore called (ya know? On that old fashioned thingy... called a phone I think) a certain official - who will remain nameless for now unless he/she chooses to name said self (got Jello-kneed and chickened out on me anyway) - to voice my HERR-brained idea...again, just for grins, donchaknow(?, perhaps not). Anyway, the individual commenced to split a gut laughing, so to speak, and said to go for the gusto if I wanted. When I asked if he/she would like to partake of the fun, the answer was pretty much affirmative...said he/she might add "a little something" at a key time...just to stir up some bottom feeders & usual suspects (ok, ok, thems my words!) if possible. Well, the bottom line there was that the "co-conspirator" for the game bailed out at that key time and left me holding the sack...whose contents was getting a bit questionable! Soooo, I decided, since I was committed at a certain point, to press on and let the Sierra hit the fan in whatever manner of mess transpired. And that's about it..."The rrrrest of the story"!! Y'all know how it turned out, along with some having to receive guidance from those Social(ist) Worker types, and maybe some time in the rack.

After-action Analysis: To those of you who may not be bright enough, or have no sense of humor, or just didn't give a hang, to have broken the code at the above-said "git-go", the first clue was simply my mulling it over right here in this bog for several days prior to launch. But the real, obvious zinger of a clue was the alleged "draft proposal" I posted for all to see on Friday...even asking for your input!! By the way, no such finished proposal was ever e-mailed to anyone; it was all just a goofy idea hatched on the phone.

CONSIDER THIS: Did any of you regulars in the bog actually take me seriously based on that "draft proposal"? If I'd been serious about an issue like that (albeit there were a couple of valid points in it), I certainly wouldn't have submitted it with crazy titles for myself, nor addressed officials at the paper as "Suit 1, Suite 2...and so on. Geeze, GET A GRIP people...and try trolling (as one true instigator in this bog might suggest!) for a sense of humor. Most important, let's try knocking off attempting to prove how smart you (or rather your computers) are over everyone else...as if anyone could give a **** come tomorrow anyway.

My bottom line, and purpose for even wasting time in a bog like this, is to simply have a little fun and, oh by the way, slip out an OPINION once in awhile, just for filler if nothing else. Therefore, if some or even all of you don't like it, you know where the "I'm offended" cry-baby icon is...knock yourselves silly with it. I'm not paid to be a people person, and I'm not concerned about pleasing everyones' tiny little egos either. I just type in this bog for some mental exercise...and to monitor just how bad my writing skills are degrading at my age. And those of you who can't hack my rather crusty style of humor, or opinions based primarily on life's experiences and observation, then simply stow it in your stern sections and press on to someone else's junk.

And one more thing. If this extended diatribe does not finally win me the MJB Mad Motorfingers award, then I don't know what to do next...maybe resort to barbed little bullet statements, and slowly wear ya down...kinda like C-babe's tactics. Yeah, good idea. And I AM NOT C-Babe's evil twin! The real truth is she merely tunneled under and infiltrated my defenses and STOLE MY MIND!!! So all this pseudo-grief is really a combo of Rush & Babe's fault. Thank you, Babe, for stepping forward to accept my punishment in my stead. That's it. Now ya know. Burma (frothing) Shave. Herr out.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 6:19 PM

Nall! Exactly...While I'm not a proponent of this law, I have disclosed my Asperger's in this forum. That being said, if you read up on Asperger's one of the MAJOR problems is communication and the person with Asperger's has a tendancy to take conversation literally. Certain conversations of this sort can make that person anxietish and upset.

Now..knowing this...if a poster posts something in order to "engage" me, that (under the new law) could be considered harassment as well.

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 6:23 PM

Me'Lange

make them eat spinach and broccoli and junk like that...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 6:31 PM

Babe has even made light of my condition on this forum at one time too.

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 6:33 PM

..or raw onions and squash..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 6:37 PM

Herr. First of all, you should have known better than to take ques from Limbaugh. Secondly, yes...I did believe that your draft proposal was authentic.

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 6:41 PM

Good grief, Herr, you certainly opened up a can of worms! Hilarious aftermath! I'm so sorry: your sometime stance in supporting my sense of decorum and decency (and hopefully sense of humor) seems to have alienated some posters who must "take sides." I sincerely apologize! So now...STOP SUPPORTING MOM, or anyone else that a few posters tend to dislike for one reason or another! OOPS, sorry about that...Oh, okay, not sorry enough to delete it. ;-) BTW: I understand your particular sense of humor, and absolutely LOVE it. Boggles MY mind to comprehend anyone having the brilliant brain-power you seem to have! Oh, and Bethie! Thanks for bringing in the whip.

Twiggy: Thank you..."...I have not said anything negative about gurusmom, matter of fact she has always been very nice to me, as you have also Herr." Huh, you can get away with saying that, Twiggy? J/K!!! I admire you, Twiggy, and my heart goes out to you for having to move away from your family. Praying that it works out for you all. I've no idea what I may have posted that would be so offensive to some...usually try to "calm things down" using generalities, trying not to point fingers at anyone specific. But my JULY 4TH RESOLUTION is to quit trying to "nudge" people into being more civil and to get over personal grudges. I began early, though...by deleting most of my previous comments regarding today's posts.

Thank you, too, Red_Rhino. Maybe I'm "different," but my on-line persona is pretty much my real personality...except that I tend to get too verbose when typing, but don't talk near as much in person. And I too wrote a long post...both yesterday and today...and changed my mind. But psychologically, it helped me "get over it." ;-)

Me'Lange: "I wish mother's of friends happy "birth" day on their children's birthday." That is the SWEETEST thing! Bless your heart, you're a sweetie!

Pups, I hope that all my sons will eventually remember and miss me as much as you do your mother. I also pray that the happy memories of mothers will always comfort those who have lost theirs.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 6:55 PM

Mom,

Thanks and I am positive they will. Did I ever tell you that I went as far as to 'buy' a star for her??

BTW,,, I can't seem to keep New Year's Resolutions, so I hope the concept of your 4th of July resolutions catch on. LOL

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 7:06 PM

ooops that should be doesn't catch on.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 7:06 PM

ok,,, posted my ooops after my statement but it showed up first. I think there are still some gremlins in the system. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 7:08 PM

Instructor: One of the Guru Sons has been directed to start setting up a new website for Mom (the old present one is way out-of-date), with of course a blog section. Now all Mom has to do is threaten him with dire consequences (no more roast beef suppers or German Chocolate Cake) if he doesn't get on it soon. ~grin~

Who Me?: Put me on the list of people who do not want any more Mommy Government, please.

MHBC_spy: When we were looking for a home 10 years ago, a local realtor enthusiastically (and exaggeratedly) said there were absolutely DROVES of retirees buying property and moving to Marble Hill for retirement. Since then, the two "factories" (cap & cable wire I think) closed down. In this day and age, it would seem that the "Small Town Mentality" would be a thing of the past. No jobs here to speak of, 30-mile drive to shop, no opportunities for the young people, no apparent desire to see business come into the area, high rents for such a basically depressed area, and a rather close-knit "closed society" of narrow-minded, we've-been-here-for-generations residents. It's exactly as the general population want it...except for for wishing that retirees would want to live in a town filled with junk, trash and dirt. However, there really are some great people living in and around Marble Hill.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 7:10 PM

Pups: No, you didn't tell me that, but I'm not at all surprised! I like the idea of that...your mother having her own star.

""I can't seem to keep New Year's Resolutions, so I hope the concept of your 4th of July resolutions doesn't catch on." Well, think of it this way, Liebchen...Every day is a new one, a new opportunity to start over. Or try to? Me, I try to make "resolutions" that perhaps can be kept...Oh! Now your resloutions will be eating cake every day, right? LOL

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 7:18 PM

G-Mom:

Ah, shucks Maw. I was finally getting around to heading out the door to scrape up some fresh roadkill, and spotted your post. Dang it, I wanted to talk to ya more (maybe later, or tomorrow), but for now, thanks for just being yourself...whoever you are!!! And I'm sorry that you got dragged into what turned out to be the usual hate-fest, as it's not your fault you sensed what I might be up to, and pressed your curiosity. Heck, maybe I should consider a real proposal for the paper to think about. If a jocular fake proposal makes some of these clowns soil themselves, just think what the real thing would do!!!

Anyway, just keep that proverbial paddle handy, even if just for me, if not others!! Out for now.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 7:25 PM

Babe Re: Real Name,

Been out tending the farm. No I wish I had a somewhat more "colorful" name than the one I was born with. What I intended to say was that I used my real name and email address to set up my Login ID, but in light of what has happened I may set up another account so in case something goes awry my name won't be put out in the open. I am uncomfortable using my real name on here as I am a very private person, not out of fear of retribution. It would do no one any good to know my real name as the only poster I knew personally was Donnie and he has moved away.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 8:08 PM

Red,

Not to scare you, but was looking for some old info by useing google. Came across a day that you used your real name. (would that fall under cyber bullying???lol I'm being a smart ***) So I'm guessing at some point all our real names have been shown on here.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 8:33 PM

Mom,

If I ate cake every day, my blood sugar would put me into a coma. Now what kind of lecture do you think I would get when I came out of it???? LMAO

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 8:35 PM

Pups,

I don't guess it really matters if my name has come up as no one knows or cares who the heck I am anyway.

As to cyber bullying, if the worst thing that ever happens to any of us is someone being mean and calling us names on a site like this, we have truly led a charmed life.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 8:49 PM

Red,

I agree with ya. And like I said, just being a bit of a smart ***. Maybe I shouldn't be one as often as I am, but it's fun sometimes.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 8:53 PM

Pups,

So long as you are having fun. I think too many of us take all this way too seriously and should just lighten up a little, myself included.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:06 PM

i'd rather be a smart as then a dumb ***..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:15 PM

Some of you men seem to think that cyber bullying is contained to the internet and remains on the internet. That is not the case as it can be intrusive into a person's physical safety if a stalker is unstable.

-- Posted by BABE on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:34 PM

Pups: The kind of lecture that any Mom (and other loved ones) would submit you to. Ask Pops what happens when HE pushes his health issues. ;-) BTW: Pops is not doing very well at all lately. Prayers, please!

"...if the worst thing that ever happens to any of us is someone being mean and calling us names on a site like this, we have truly led a charmed life." Red, I'm going to TRY to remember that! I just get in such a dither when people are mean to EACH OTHER...hurts me as much as the few times the children were deliberately mean to each other, or to their friends. As I was going to tell Herr, I'm not so thin-skinned as to let much of anything like that bother me (Actually, some of the things today did create a little awe though, like my mouth dropping open and involuntarily saying, "WHAT?"). LOL Maybe the thing is knowing myself...I know who and what I am and I'm reasonably comfortable with exactly who I am (& I like myself, even if that might sound prideful).

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:39 PM

Babe,

You are correct, the problem, as my understanding, is the vagueness in the wording of the current law being inacted. When a person is physically confronted in person that is definately stepping over the line. Revealing personal information that is not volunteered by the poster is also stepping over the line. I will have to honestly look into the law a bit more closely.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:42 PM

Rick, you do come up with some delightful comments! Thanks! And I do enjoy Pups smart-A moments...

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:43 PM

Mom,

You have my prayers and anything else you might need.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:48 PM

Ok just got back in and read to catch up.

Pups

As today was my father's b-day it is a great day. i am sure your mom is smiling down on you to know you cared so much to remember her on her special day.

Gurusmom/Herr

Although do not always agree with a lot of what the two of you say I like reading your posts. Herr you can bring humor when we all need a laugh and mom you can line us all out.

The cyberbullying thing IMO does not cover arguments in speakout forum. if it did i am sure all of us at one point or another could be charged. As I have started doing if you do not like a posters attitude then scroll past their comments. It is actually pretty easy.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:49 PM

Mutter,

Mai-Gott läßt seine Hand apon das Haupt von Knallen ausruhen. Kann Er, ihm gute Gesundheit bewilligen. Kann Gott, auch Ihnen die Stärke und Mut bewilligen, Sie durch die Gesundheitsprobleme von Knallen zu sehen.

Hope you don't mind my wording.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:54 PM

Babe,

If "bullying" extends beyond the Internet, it is covered by other relevant statutes already in effect which have proven to be enforceable. I have serious doubts that this law will stand up in court and would be a nightmare to enforce. My real job required that I keep up with laws and court rulings and it has been my experience that many new laws do not hold up well to challenges. The Sex Offender statutes regarding residency and registration are perfect examples. It has also been my experience that for the most part laws work only to prosecute someone after the fact and rarely as a deterrent. I am of course speaking in generalities and I know there are exceptions. I rely on methods other than Law Enforcement or statutes for protection.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:57 PM

Semo,

I'm glad the day is going well, and what a great summer day it has been.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:58 PM

"...it can be intrusive into a person's physical safety if a stalker is unstable" You're right, BABE, and there has been a time or two when I was getting a little worried about you. NOT pointing any fingers, but sometimes, it does happen that when some people's tempers get totally out of control, they lose control of some other sensibilities, too.

CAVEAT: No one should have a problem with the above comment, unless they believe they have a valid reason for taking offense? Just trying to head off the "Mom's a terrible person, saying that about me" replies.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 9:58 PM

IMO the ones who are now concerned about the stalkers and bullies are mainly the ones who at one time or another have either A) given out to much personal info and opened themselves up to it or B) have dared people to make their identity known. If you are going to allow things to get personal and talk openly giving out infor mation then YOU are the only one responsible and if you are dumb enough to dare someone to reveal your identity then be prepared for the fallout. I do not know of a single person who posts on here who has not ticked off at least one other poster at some point, the difference is most of us know when we are wrong and will apologize if we feel it is due.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:05 PM

Thank you, semoangel. Many of the things (especially about your children) indicate that you're a good mom, an intelligent and generally thoughtful lady. But as of July 4th, y'all are on your own (unless Bethie steps in with her whips)...LOL

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:07 PM

Semo,

Valid points, and as naive as this is going to sound, I don't think anyone that posts here would violate personal private property to try and harm anyone. Of course I'm guessing that Schaeffer felt that way about stalkers before she opened her door that morning.

I know Babe, I hugging that yellow stripe. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:11 PM

Mom

Ok I have missed something......What is July 4th.

I certainly hope bethie is able to come back more often but I am sure she is intertained enough right now. I have however taken Pups advice and started to take a deep breath and think before posting. That and scrolling right on through is helping a lot!

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:11 PM

Pups

I know I could never intentionally hurt another person or allow someone else to unless it was in self defense. Even knowing names means nothing to me because unless you go to our church, have kids the same age as mine, or are affiliated with the company chances are i do not know them anyway as I am not from this area.

Even those of us on here with the tempers, I think have more self control than to go after anyone. Maybe it is wishfull thinking but I would hope we are all more mature than that.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:15 PM

Semo,

Of the ones that I know personally, I am going to have to say they are. Not sure I can say that about myself. :-)~ LOL j/k

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:18 PM

Figured I had better clairify quickly. I can be immature, but never hurt anyone. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:19 PM

No pups even you couldn't!

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:29 PM

Semo,

Thanks.

Now I'm depressed though. I just got called "Sir" by a 20 something. :-(

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:33 PM

Making a July 4th Resolution...As of then, no more peace-keeping efforts on here or even gentle nudges. Raised all my children, so it's time to retire that duty.

Maybe that's it! I've been missing trying to control the kids' behavior, the grandkids are all in line, so I was using SO as a substitute? LOL

Blessed are the Peacemakers: They shall be called the children of God. Could that be my problem? ;-)

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:38 PM

Ok...That's it. You win. You win, you win, you win! You've GOADED me of this forum for good. I sick of all the jabs and insinuations. I won't be back and I won't be going to any lunches. I'm through with this silly sh*t. You can bask in your glorified Republicanism all you want. I'm done.

-- Posted by """""""""""" on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:38 PM

G-Mom:

Darn it, Maw. Maybe I should break away from that stupid TV a bit more at night. You seem to cast some pretty nifty pearls when I'm away goofing off! If I'd check in more often, perhaps I'd be more aware of Pops not feeling too well. So, knowing that now, and if I may be so bold as to attempt a serious focus for a moment (as hard as it may be for me!), just wanted to let you know that I'll put in a good word or two to our "Boss" up there, in my own crude sort of way, for your beloved Pops.

Besides, when Pups & I were fighting over my adopted cyber daughter, S-Bethie and her new "animated toy"(!), I at least managed to remember "Hubby" once in awhile too! Say, do ya think taking a dip in this bog might help Pops feel better? You know what some say (or maybe I'm just making it up), when ya get in a war zone, suddenly you're not aware of what ails ya!! On second thought, he might be more comfortable staying down in the bunker with MOM!!!

Semoangel70:

Don't get around to talking to you much, but I appreciate your insight too...ya seem pretty balanced. But speakin' of "unbalanced", I'm heading back to the tube. At least I can watch that while feeding the B-babies...again, and again, etc!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:41 PM

Rick and Melange,

If you don't like spinach, broccoli or squash, you just haven't eaten them properly prepared. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:44 PM

testing new avatar...

-- Posted by Super_Bethie on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:44 PM

testing new avatar...

-- Posted by Super_Bethie on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:44 PM

JC,

Where did that come from??? And if you are talking about the 'goaders' I'm thinking you are, they don't attend the lunches at this time (though all have been invited), so why would you deprive yourself of something you enjoy???

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:47 PM

Joe_Cool,

I hate to see you go. It is unfortunate when anyone leaves due to conflicts real or imagined. I can certainly understand someone leaving due to a lack of interest, but you have been on here longer than most if not all and seem to have maintained an interest for a long time. Maybe you just need to take a break, I know I did. If you do decide to leave, good luck.

Gurusmom,

I probably need to make a resolution myself along those lines also. I am so use to doing "Conflict Resolution" at work it is a hard habit to break. I will do my best.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:49 PM

Bethie,

Like the new glasses and hair color!! Btw, how is MY godson?? hehe

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:50 PM

Ok I missed something what happened to JC and why is he upset?

Pups

I am still a couple of years behind you and get called mam often i just shrug it off happy that some parent out there somewhere actually taught their child manners.

G-mom

Sometimes I think a room full of 20 children would be easier to control than those of us on here. Yes I know I can be a pain as well but I am trying.

Bethie

How is Daegus doing. feeling better I hope

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:50 PM

Bethie,

Very, very nice avatar.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:51 PM

Vielen Dank, dass Sie, liebe Pups. Du sind ein Komfort. Ihre Gebete sind sehr geschätzt.

The translation didn't make much sense, so I had to go into an Old, old part of my brain and dredge up a few words from my German lessons for it to make sense. Somewhere in the attic is my old notebook where we had to write down our German lessons...Maybe there are things that will refresh my memories in it.

Good night, whoever is left...Sleep well.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:53 PM

Pups

By the way I do not care how you fix spinach, brocolli or squash it is still gross. Of course I am an adult and can say that my kids however have to eat it because I am bigger and say it is good for them!

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:53 PM

Semo,

LOL guess I shouldn't offer to cook for one of our lunches. LMAO

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:56 PM

Daegus is doing well. I've put up a lot of new pictures of him on the Myspace....as well as more of the hair.

Thanks Pups--Just got the hair done today...although these are the same glasses. :) I hope to get lenses put back in my old black pair....I miss them.

if ya'll want to see the pics...cruise on by..

www.myspace.com/bethiebabysworld

-- Posted by Super_Bethie on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:57 PM

Pups

LOL You can cook it, heck I will even help but I still aint gonna eat it. I actually cook it a lot for hubby and kids I am the only oddball in the house who doesn't like it.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 10:59 PM

Mom,

I sent the translation back through the translator and I see what you mean about it not makeing sense. I appologize, but I hope you got the heart of what I meant. ;-)

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:02 PM

Hold on. Belay that last order. Boob tube can wait a sec.

S-Bethie:

Wow!! Lookin' good, girl!!! And can't wait to see that shiny new doorknocker in the nose(hint, hint)! Oh, and - virtually shoving Pups aside - how's MY new cyber GodGRANDson?? Uh, is there such a thing as that?!

OK. Now back to goofing off. Herr out.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:04 PM

Bethie,

The new hair makes the glasses pop more. Guess that is why I noticed the glasses. Can't access My Space at work, but I will look at the pics tomorrow from home.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:05 PM

Semo,

Thanks for the offer to help, but I'm a weird cook. No one is allowed in the kitchen or help. I have a method and another body just gets in the way. lol

But that is an idea. Maybe on of these days when it cools off and we can eat outside, might concider catering one of our lunches.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:08 PM

Herr,

No shoving allowed!!! Was wondering if you would catch the MY part. hehe

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:11 PM

Pups

Sounds good to me but definitly when it is cooler. I gladly accept your weird cook theory as I would rather clean it up than cook.

Bethie

daegus is absolutely adorable. I like the hair as well.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:12 PM

Well all have a good night I am off to watch Mash reruns and go to sleep.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:14 PM

Semo,

Cool, cause I hate the clean up part. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:16 PM

Night All,

Heading out for the night. Hopefully see ya'll tomorrow.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:18 PM

LOL thanks Herr. I probably will get my nose redone this weekend. Had to take it out for awhile due to an incident with it while in the hospital.

-- Posted by Super_Bethie on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:20 PM

My gosh...I spend about 1/2 an hour gathering up the Banties to put them to bed (think they like snuggling against my chest & that's why they keep roosting on the porch rail instead of going "home"), checking on Pops and visiting with son over my proposed web site...and come back to What Happened, missing Herr night visit ... AND Bethie's new and amazing avatar--which I LOVE!

Red, May I adapt that phrase for times around here..."Conflict Resolution"? Really like the sound of that...LOL

Honestly hoping that I was not the reason for Joe's sudden outburst. I did do a kind of if-the-shoe-fits, tongue-in-cheek caveat...I'm sorry if my post in reply to BABE seemed offensive to anyone, but I do know...we all do know...that internet differences can and do sometimes create physical stalking, etc., and we have seen some pretty flaring tempers tantrums in here from time to time. I'll try (after the 4th, remember?) to be better--although...I'll also keep hoping that others do, too. Aw, gee, Pups, am I considered one of the goaders who don't attend the lunches? If so, I apologize to all of you. It would never be my intention to "goad" anyone into leaving (I'd leave myself if I were that disturbed with the postings)...or into anything else. I might come right out sometime and SAY someone should leave, or drop it, or get over it...but not goad...At least not deliberately. ~SIGH~

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 11:20 PM

G-Mom and Herr, I enjoy your posts. I take as much time as I can to read and really enjoyed Herr's diatribe tonight. Can't understand why some got so upset over it either. I've learned that some responses to what I THINK aren't worth a reply. Sometimes I let it get the best of me, but then realize it ain't worth the health issues. I left that high stress, gotta have my say or else, along with the constant dosage of sarcasm behind me several years ago. Since that time, I have learned that if someone disagrees with me, it is not a big deal. I won't change their mind by arguing anymore then they will change my mind using my old tactics. Live and learn.

-- Posted by KingsKid on Wed, Jul 2, 2008, at 1:11 AM


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