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Speak Out 6/19/08

Thursday, June 19, 2008

Signs of recession

I saw a near billionaire shopping in an area discount store recently. Never in my wildest imagination did I expect a Southeast Missourian like me would witness firsthand an example of recession chic.

Rush's nightmares

Give Rush Limbaugh a break. His obsession with nanotechnology results from his nightly nightmares about the post-2008 election size of the GOP.

Police complaints

Police officers need to quit thinking they are above everyone else because they can speed down Broadway, not use blinkers, and not stop at stop signs without getting in trouble. And quit complaining about what other people say about you. Do your job right, and nobody will complain.

Answering to the people

I'm not sure police officers think they have to answer to the public. If that were the case, drug dealers, robbers and other lawbreakers would not have to worry about being arrested. Nor would abusive or neglectful parents have any worries. Common sense has gone out the door with this attitude of unwillingness to accept responsibility for one's actions. Unless you are elected, your actions and attitude should be directed to the boss directly above you. To change this order of hierarchy is to create chaos and disorder within the ranks. Why would anyone want a police officer to answer to the public while the public lets politicians answer to cronies, a political party, lobbyists or other special-interest groups?

Musical money

I WOULD like the auditors of the Cape Girardeau School District to tell the public where all the money goes when there is a musical with a choir at Central Junior High School. The parents have to pay for the costumes and the tickets. My child is also in the band, and these concerts are free. It's funny how at the band concerts you don't see the junior high principal, especially if the concert is held at the high school, but the principal is always endorsing the musicals and telling our children to buy tickets.

Taxpayers are paying

NOW THE Cape Girardeau police want to be compared to big corporations regarding driving a company car. The difference is taxpayers are paying for the gasoline that is used when police cars are driven for personal use. Let them do this on their own time. Quit using our tax money.

Great cleanup

THANK YOU to the people who bought the trashy property in Egypt Mills and have done such a great job cleaning it up.

No more fees

THE GASOLINE situation makes for trying times for everybody, every household and our city and county governments. I know the first thing that they're going to think about is wanting to raise fees. I think they should cut back, even on some of the services. Do not replace some employees who retire. Be sure everyone is necessary. When they raise fees, they never go back to what they were. Be careful about passing this on to the people. We've already got all we can carry the way it is.

Fuel economy

IT APPEARS almost everybody is complaining about the high price of fuel for motor vehicles. I don't think anything should be done about that until people change their driving habits and start driving more conservatively so they can save petroleum. I would be in favor of not doing anything to cause the prices to go down. If people aren't smart enough to do something for themselves, they don't need any help.

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good morning

are corporate pig farmers hogging the pork market ?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 6:49 AM

Regarding the police, in one of the recent articles regarding South Sprigg St. a woman commented about how long it took the police to respond to calls regarding drug and protitution complaints. Does it really take that long and if so, why?

-- Posted by sosassy on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 6:49 AM

Give the police a break. These guy's are under staffed the pay is extremely low compared to other cities the size of Cape Girardeau. They work with the resources they have available to them. The Cape Girardeau Police Department salaries need increased where they can keep good officers until they retire. The turn over rate is high due to low pay. Cape needs to hire more officers so the city is properly covered.

-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 7:00 AM

Yes, swampeastmissouri, I understand the predicament the Cape PD is in. However, if I call with a real emergency I hope the response time will be a lot less than 45 minutes to an hour.

-- Posted by sosassy on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 7:06 AM

are you folks suggesting that cops are never

around when you need them ?

i wouldn't be a cop for all the $$ in

the world , they can't win ....

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 8:27 AM

I hope police are handing out DUIs. I hope those pulled over for DUI are never allowed to drive again. But you and I know they will, until they kill either themselves or someone else and then there will be another cross on the side of the road. I remember when the state put up a tree in Jefferson City as a memorial to all who died in drunk driving crashes. Problem was, some of those honored were the drunks themselves. The state said everyone was a "victim" of drunk driving -- including those who drink and drive. That's the attitude that is sending this country into a morass.

-- Posted by Observer1 on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 9:29 AM

...it wouldn't do me any good to be a cop .

i'd give the term 'police brutality' a whole

new meaning ....

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 9:47 AM

Cape PD has has added many useful and needed elements to the department over the years, such as an Emergency Response Team, an improved Traffic Division, etc. However, at any given time, the regular patrol division is pretty much the same as it has been since I worked for them almost 30 years ago. For the department to really improve, the city is going to HAVE to turn loose of some money and hire more regular patrol officers, and as someone else said they are going to have to be paid a living wage. Do some research and you will be shocked at how few patrolmen there are to take care of the calls that come in on a regular basis. Did anyone ever consider that perhaps the cop you see sitting and writing tickets is a traffic division officer and THAT is the job is hired to do? Did you ever consider that the officer who is on his cell phone may be taking down information about a missing child or a serious call that is pending? Are any of you suggesting that if an officer sees a driver who is impaired he should just let him drive on by? You have to be realistic about this. If you really want better response times and better coverage, stop calling SO and go to your city government and demand it.

Mercy! I'll ******* my soapbox now. Good morning everyone. It looks like a lovely day.

-- Posted by Maxine_the_Magnificent on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 9:51 AM

BTW , if Obama wins , will it still be called the White House ?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 9:52 AM

Oh my goodness!!! I guess I should have worded that "get down off" my soapbox.

And Mary Jo honey, your post is as silly as your avatar. I hope you were being sarcastic.

-- Posted by Maxine_the_Magnificent on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 9:54 AM


A Woman that speaks her mind

Though some think not very kind

She likes giggles and dear

But somtimes she can bite you in the rear

And though she can be gruff

Of Newt she knows her stuff

She never 'chews her fat twice'

On occassion she can be down right nice

A southern woman with charm

Her grandkids she does keep from harm

To her the Civil War is an act of Northern agression

She is full of life and expression

Oh and the Liberals she gives HELL

Hold her ground she does well

Though many with her do disagree

That is why we live in the land of the free

Some believe her to be shady

I think She is one no nonsense Lady

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 10:13 AM

Pups ,

ur a poet

and don't know it

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 10:18 AM

Signs of recession,

There is a near billionaire in Cape!?

Most of the CPD are good people. Just like anything else in life. There are good cops bad cops...good teachers bad teachers...good doctors bad doctors...need I go on?

-- Posted by SWBG on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 10:23 AM

Signs of recession ,

how did the writer know this person was

a billionaire ? we have billionaires in

this area ? would the writer know i'm a thousandaire

if they saw me ?

the whole deal sounds fishy to me..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 10:31 AM


Thanks,I have my moments, though not looking forward to the comments.

Just thought of it cause she said she didn't get a chance to write her Opus. Though she is posting sites to visit for us.

Ok, I'll try to stop now, before some posters have a cow. Just having some fun, before starting my day in the sun.

Man, can't seem to stop. And I didn't want to bash a cop.

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 10:32 AM

Ricky and SWBG,

I agree, there are some very wealthy people in Cape, though I'm not sure you can tell by just looking at them.

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 10:40 AM

Well, out for awhile. Everyone have a great day!!!

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 10:41 AM


Wow man, a thousandaire. Too close to payday for me. I'll have to settle on being a hundredaire.

-- Posted by SWBG on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 10:45 AM


Dang it! Ya ripped off my thunder, albeit I'm not into doing poetry anyway. Even so, I've often pondered what it'd feel like to have suicidal tendancies, as I've never experienced them...considering what happened at one point in my life, I can't understand why. Anyway, maybe now you can explain to us how those tendancies feel!! Hope ya have a deep bunker, 'cause the "chit" from the bottom feeders will be hitting the fan now! Nice ode to Babe nevertheless.

Well, back to the drawing board, thanks to you, Pups. I was contemplating attempting a little "cyber suicide" for grins, howsumever, I'm toying with another idea or two that should set off the mental mob; one of 'em of which I was remiss at getting out last week...bet you're conspiring on beating me to that too!! For now, I'll try to come up with supporting action for your suicidal endeavors! C-Babe >>> Might be nice to launch some doves to Pups; just don't stick your head too high out of your foxhole to send 'em out!!! Burma Shave.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 11:06 AM

You all have some funny things today. No argueing...that's so nice to see. Well perhaps the close to billionaire guy and the speak out caller know each other. I highly doubt he just looked at the guy and thought "Oh he is a nice looking rich guy." Also Cape PD are very good and you will be greatful they are there if you ever need them. I always think its so funny when people complain about so-and-so with 7 DWI's and still out driving. Well that's not the PD's fault.....perhaps a judge? The PD has done their job by arresting him/her and giving out the tickets and takign to jail. Just a thought.....

-- Posted by lovemyfamily on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 11:54 AM


-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 12:19 PM


-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 12:21 PM


-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 12:30 PM


-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 12:43 PM

...ummm , okay....

(wonder what that's all about..)

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 12:43 PM


Babe, you're full of news today.

-- Posted by changedname on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 12:43 PM


-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 12:57 PM

A little too much bloviating fun than a HERRball should be allowed to have at lunchtime. But, what the hey.


Pups' ode to you is quite fitting and creative, if not wildly suicidal on his part!! But he also demonstrated that he's also part of that rare breed of good-natured lib (as he surely is) who also is pretty well balance out...note to Pups: I should refrain from excessive compliments directed your way, as you seem to be in enough trouble of your own making; report to S-Bethie for appropriate counseling (BTW, glad to see you & Bebe are doing so well, Bethie)!! Anyway, Pups has at least relieved me from attempting any of that creative writing jazz, so that I can acknowledge you in my own clumsy & crude way. Perhaps I should camouflage it a bit to minimize the accuracy of the "incoming" you will no doubt receive...just keep your head down!!

Babe. I've enjoyed dabbling with works on "The Art of War" from the likes of Clausewitz, Frederick the Great, Jomeni, Sun Tzu, ET AL; howsumever, I still prefer the concepts of Patton's Principals, as they work not only in the military, but also in the civie world. But let me take a wild guess. You are a practicing student of Sun Tzu, right?!! Especially as you apply it to guerrilla tactics. Since I especially like Civil War stuff, you remind me of those pioneer-type Sappers and snipers who patiently take a shot now & then to hold the enemies attention, while also probing and prodding 'em to the point where they're sputtering and frothing at the mouth, and running bug-eyed to and fro shooting up each other! Meanwhile you're slowly tunneling under the fools, and fixing to blow them sky high!! Priceless!!!

You also have something else figured out that the arrogant, rabid left can't seem to figure out about themselves. They hate and fear each other as much as those who refuse to submit to their imbecilic agenda. Witness the DemSocs' primary process! That may explain why the socialist left is so, well, collectively (good commie word for those from Rio Linda) paranoid and, therefore, tends to react so violently. Perhaps a more appropriate term for them may be "FOLIE A DEUX"...for shared delusions and paranoia. Oops, break for Pups or G-Mom, if she may rejoin us.>>>>

Pups. Since you are pretty good at German, I've got a new "label" for you to work on (if you're still operational after all the expected assaults), since the more rabid left also hates accurate I.D. methods. How about mixing a little Frenchy & Kraut lingo, just for grins, donchaknow. How does "FOLIE DIE LINKS" sound?!! Since you've bravely exposed yourself as a mild and balance lib, this surely does not apply to you...so you're neutral. OK, back to Babe.<<<<

Babe. You seem to have admirable staying power too. Kinda reminds me of that old white fighter jock everyone seems to hate so much. Who of us, except maybe you, could last out five years as a POW, then turn around and go right back to continue serving until he retires as a Captain...equiv. of a full-bull Colonel to Army, AF, and Marine types. But you do appear to have some of that "right stuff"...certainly more than most of us would bother with. And even though I'm not privy to DES auxiliary personnel records, I wouldn't be surprised if they have not checked you out in the past; they recognize no age requirements, so do not discriminate, as long as you have the "tools" they're looking for. In the meantime, keep your militia handy, for fun and non-profit of course, just to keep your edge for future use if required.

Now then Babe. I want to cite you with an unauthorized, if not made-up honor...OK, so it's made up! So stand tall and proudly accept your accolades...oh, wait. On second thought, stay low in your trench, and I'll air-drop your Royal Order of Orneriness Cross to ya! Just revel in the the sounds of wailing and mashing of teeth while the rabid haters soil themselves watching their Nerf missiles fling harmlessly over your head!!!

Now, there it is. If I haven't successfully committed cyber-suicide (like Pups may have) with this stink nuke, then I'd best work on a fail-safe back-up one for tomorrow. For now, it might behoove me strap on the ole helmet and join Babe & Pups in the fallout bunker!! Burma bunker-busting Shave!!!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 1:23 PM


-- Posted by lovemyfamily on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 1:42 PM


I've had enough fun for a few hours, but had to jump back in the bog when I saw your 12:46 pm post. Wow! Big Sierra Hot on that!!

Suggestion: Would you consider putting that in letters to your elected (Fed) officials?! Huh, huh?!! The Sheriff Joe Arpaio approach has already been tried on 'em, with no luck of course. They even shrivelled up at the suggestion of converting the entire border area into a no-notice, 24-7, live bombing & artillery range. Imagine that?!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 2:09 PM

What is a carbon credit?


Not suicide. See what happens when the lynch mob mentality strikes. Sympathy for victim/perpetrator. I suspect you would do the same for that commie/lib pups.

Fact is this is a much better forum when the nastiness is left out and merely a place to debate. Arguing is for fools. Maybe then there can be something mildly intellectually stimulating on here.

-- Posted by SWBG on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 2:10 PM

Update to last week's story:

Mark Dice, 9/11 Truth activist received several death threats from talk show host Michael Reagan on his radio show. Thousands of complaints were filed with the FCC and thousands of complaints to his bosses at Radio America. Reagan had Dice on his show Monday (not live, prerecorded) and gave him an apology (please note, this is an admission of guilt) as hollow as it was. Now (yesterday in fact) Michael Reagan's lawyers have contacted Dice to remove the audio he has posted that has the threats (obtained via the FREE podcast Reagan posts to the net for all listeners) for copyright violation. They have also removed that hour of the show from the above stated free podcasts as well, apparently trying to make it harder to listen for oneself. No action from the FCC, no action from his bosses, no mention anywhere in 'the mainstream media.' Nothing.

Reguardless of your personal feelings of the threatened, this kind of thing just cannot exist and go unmentioned. Here are some quotes from that show.

“ We ought to find the people who are doing this, take them out and shoot them. Really. You take them out, they are traitors to this country, and shoot them. You have a problem with that? Deal with it. You shoot them. You call them traitors, that’s what they are, and you shoot them dead. I’ll pay for the bullets.” - Michael Reagan, 6-10-08

“ How about you take Mark Dice out and put him in the middle of a firing range. Tie him to a post, don’t blindfold him, let it rip and have some fun with Mark Dice.” - Michael Reagan, 6-10-08

I guess smokers are not the LAST of the readily accepted discrimination groups.

-- Posted by MoxFulder on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 2:20 PM

Hello all, just 26 more days in Italy!!!

For christ's sake, does anyone not complain about the PD?? Little_mac, good job and providing some facts to support the PD. Everybody always assumes what serves them best and complains. Mary Jo, you my friend are daft. To be honest, I would rather the police take out a DUI than someone smoking pot. Never heard of anyone overdosing and dying of pot, but I have heard of people being killed by drunk drivers. A piece of stolen property can be returned, but not a stolen life.

If you want to complain about police not doing much, you can complain about me all you want. I have a cush job. Of course, though, I have done my dirty work time and have earned it. That is why I am able to get on here and chat with you guys.

Herr, I am actually starting to enjoy your posts. Guess I was keeping a closed mind about you and now I am not. You are quite the antagonist, and I find it funny. You could probably convince two anorexic women to fight over a box of donuts.

-- Posted by chaffeemp on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 2:26 PM


Are we misreading each other perhaps? Pups is in no way a "commie/lib"...not even a Libsoc, in my lexicon. Possibly at his peril, I keep trying to point this out. Heck, Pups seems to have more conservative thoughts than I at times...oops, sorry if I may have exposed you to more missiles again, Pups!

Oh, as a case-in-point for your reference to "nastiness", are you referring to that vulgar, hateful stuff we've been seeing a bunch of lately that tends to drive decent folks like Pups and G-Mom away? We may be on the same track here, sorta; however, don't be surprised if the militancy of the left goes to the streets soon, and much more so, and more physical, than we've seen so far. Just somewhat of another lesson from history for me. And counter-measures are to be expected. Instructor's on to something here, I believe.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 2:28 PM


Thanks. But, yes, even I admit at times that I too need to be flogged now & then when I get carried away with too much of that "fun" that we should not be allowed to have (geeze, that was a mouthful!)...especially when G-Mom isn't around with her paddle & warning glare, or Bethie w/her whips!

I appreciate your "short-timer" status in Italy is stressing you a bit, and you just can't wait to get back home. So keep focused, and just get home safely. We need you in one piece. I mean it, no Burma Shave here!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 2:41 PM


After much guttural laughing, I realized the genius of your tactic. I was reminded of the following quote and wondered if you might enjoy.

What is the man's object in guarding himself? To obtain security against being knocked out by his opponent before he can get in his own blow....so a military body pushes out a detachment to secure it against surprise or interference with its plan...

- B.H. Liddell Hart, Thoughts on War, 274

Good Luck good man, you and Babe may need it....laughing

-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 3:16 PM

Herr, your post to me made me laugh. You obviously know what the "short-timer attitude" is. It is funny because I am actually the oposite somehow. I have actually became more of a hardass to some. I just try to ensure that the lower enlisted know that no matter how indifferent I am to this place now, I still have a job and will not relax my standards.

My only concern coming home is if I am stuck on a stinking Delta flight. For all those who have never flown internationally, DO NOT fly Delta. They are horrible. I like United. With United, everyone, including economy get their own little screen embedded in the back of the seat in front of them and can choose what they watch. Their food isn't bad either. I can't say the same for Delta.

Little_mac, I love your idea for the border. I think we should just put proximity bombs on the border. After a few hundred deaths, they will get the point. Hell, we can hire the illegals already here to make them in exchange for their amnesty.

Moxfulder, I find nothing wrong with what the guy was saying. I don't find that as a death threat. Saying we "should" is to my like a hypothetical, not a threat. Saying we "are going" or "will" is a threat. I should go on a killing spree in Italy and rape all the hot women. Is that a threat? I don't think so. It is passive talk. Besides, it's not really worse than what is said on a daily basis in politics.

-- Posted by chaffeemp on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 3:21 PM

Maryjo, that all depends. The definition is different for everyone. It's like the war in Iraq. Some look at it as we are winning, some like we are losing. It is in the eye of the beholder.

-- Posted by chaffeemp on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 3:26 PM


1. Due to the prevalence of scanners, Officers often use cell phones as a means of secure communications. Even if it is a “personal call” they are still on duty and able to fulfill their duties and yes even a cop gets regular breaks; maybe they are on one.

2. Even while on a phone call or otherwise engaged, an Officer can pick out his or her number on the 2-way radio if he or she receives a call and respond to it.

3. Cape definitely does not have enough Officers as they are often called out of their zone to assist another Officer leaving a zone without anyone on patrol. They go where they are dispatched and according to priority.

4. Anyone driving while impaired is a potential killer and I can imagine few things with a higher priority than taking one of them off of the streets.

5. Police Officers often work holidays while mostly everyone else is able to be home with their family. If they are lucky enough to have that day off, they are often required to come in for a few hours to provide coverage during the “peak times”.

6. When most people have a day off, they have a day off; Police Officers may have to spend their “day off” in court.

7. Cape Officers are not paid enough and their insurance is not as good or affordable as most public sector jobs. Decent pay and fringe benefits often go hand in hand with quality and professionalism.

8. I don’t deny that there are incompetent Officers in any department, but I personally believe most are good people.

-- Posted by D'oh on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 3:30 PM


By Gawd, I've read some of Liddell Hart's stuff, and it's good! I'm trying to remember if he also wrote that novel, ah, I think it was called "Company Commander", but based on real facts about the Battle (more like slaughter) of the Hertgen (sp?) Forest, which ate up about two whole divisions, including the Big Red One. I'd been there years ago, but after all that time that passed, you were still taking your life in your own hands; still conveyor-belting unexploded munitions out of the forest. Even if Hart didn't write that one, he does good stuff.

Hart's writings remind me of some of Patton's priciples too, although Patton was a bit more, shall I say, to-the-point! One of my favorites (which I said works in a mil or civ environment) is Patton's "Grab 'em by the nose..." which, if you think about it, is a rendition of Napoleon's tactic/strategy of (let's see if I can spell it without looking it up) Le Maneuvre Ser La Derriere (?): Basically, hold the enemy with a feigned attack to the front, then move around the flanks (double envelopment) and kick 'em in the Alpha...not to mention cutting off their LOC and damaging morale.

Gawd, I luv the smell of tactics in the morning...er, afternoon, or whatever. Thanks Theorist. I'll have to dig around in the basement and see if I've still got some of Hart's goodies.

C-Babe: Are ya taking notes for your militia?!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 3:42 PM

Great points Mary_jo!

-- Posted by Chief_Sagamore on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 3:46 PM


No misread. Pups knows I am kidding with the commie/lib remark. Kind of like if I called you or little mac a gun-toting right winged elitist. Of course that does not apply and you would get a chuckle (or I hope you would chuckle).

-- Posted by SWBG on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 4:02 PM

The war on terror just like the government war on drugs, illiteracy, and you name it will never be over. It won't be over because it is another cash cow for corrupt corporations and politicians, who make big bucks off of it, to milk.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 4:14 PM

quick question , no offense meant to

anyone here or there ...

but why , oh why did God give Adam nipples??

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 4:14 PM


Dange it. I promised myself I'd allow only one big bloviation bomb today, and then press on. But what the hey, Tues/Thurs are my plantation days where Oberleutnant Mule expects me carry out her domestic orders...funny thing, though, doing this kind of messing around ain't 'sposed to be one of 'em!!

Anyway, I wanted to say one more thing (or two, or three) to ya before I go carry out them thar orders. When I talked to you last week, I recall stating I have no "need to know" what security ops you may be involved in over there. But can I renege on that honorable notion, just a little bit?! I have almost a fatal interest in security ops, tactics, etc, so I'm hoping when you get home, you can at least talk about some of the fun stuff in that department. You know, stuff that's not sensitive or classified?

There was a time, when I really didn't give a "chit" anyway, when I enjoyed dabbling in setting up and participating in controlled/restricted area penetration and sabotage ops. One such occasion was a blast (almost literally for me), but also resulted in some good security changes at a SAC base, in the nuke ops areas. I had so much fun penetrating and messing up some of the operations, I couldn't stop until the SP forces cornered us at "gun"-point...and they weren't playin' with themselves either!! That's also the point where the "blast" gig applied to me...so the fun abruptly stopped, if ya know what I mean. But it was a scream, and the Wing CC really took note of the "festivities", not to mention making some radical security changes...after the taking of a few heads.

Anyway, just though that could be some fun stuff to yak about when ya get home. We can just be general about it, and steer clear of the classified stuff. Don't need any of that UCMJ action, donchaknow?!

Now I'd best get to work...or at least look like I am!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 4:17 PM


In defense of mox I would suggest that if Michael Reagan stated that a particular individual should be shot on public radio that is indeed a threat and he would likely be held, if not accountable, culpable should some idiot take it upon himself to carry it out. That is dangerous talk. Now I will agree that if he is stating the traitors should be shot that is certainly a different story.

If someone came out on public radio and advocated for the shooting death of ChaffeMP my guess is you would take this as a threat. I know I would.

-- Posted by SWBG on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 4:17 PM


Yeah, I see what you mean now. And to be honest, methinks I'm indulging in too much chuckling stuff today as it is. Gotta get serious, 'cause the Mule sure looks like she's in that mode!!! Better at least pretend to be doing something she approves of!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 4:22 PM

SWBG, no I would not take that as a threat. I have had my life threatened many of times. Anyone can make a threat. It takes a person with strong convictions to take another person's life. Words cannot hurt you unless you let them.

Foxmulder, I understand where you are coming from. However, I think you can defeat an idea. Slavery was an idea. We overcame that. Anti-semitism was the basis of Hitler's ideas, and we defeated him. You can never truly defeat an idea. There will always be those who choose to maintain those views. You just have to quell them to a minimum. I for one think we are winning the war on terrorism. When was the last time we had a terrorist attack on our own soil??? Everyone complains about the Patriot act, but nobody but the government really knows how many plots they have foiled.

Herr, I would love to talk about Security Ops with you when I come home. At one point in my time here, I was the go to guy for it on the American side. It is always nice to talk with veterans from other times besides my own.

-- Posted by chaffeemp on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 4:58 PM

Pups, I noticed in your "Ode to Babe" you wrote she is full of...life. I too think she's full of something, but it isn't limited to life. Anyone care to guess?

-- Posted by iago1 on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 6:55 PM

Why would anyone be surprised at anything Ron said or did? After all, he's a Reagan is he not?

-- Posted by iago1 on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 6:58 PM

Who Me?

...if they're crazy enuff to eat that dung ,

what can ya say ...don't none of it sound

good at all IMO

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 8:14 PM

"quick question , no offense meant to

anyone here or there ...

but why , oh why did God give Adam nipples??"

-- Posted by Rick.Scaggs on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, 3:14 pm CDT

To assuage his breast envy?

To break up the expanse of his awesome pectorals?

Herr...Haven't you been in fine fettle today? Very entertaining and enjoyable fine fettle, I might add. Does Frau Hauptmann know how you spent much of your day? ;-) Ah...I see you're tied up now--she must have caught you in the midst of typing up witticisms...before you were able to hunker down in that bunker with Pups. Thank you for the smiles.

Mom's New Rules of Conduct for Herself

1. No reading certain posts

2. No defending those who can defend themselves

3. No trying to change negative personalities of any posters


-- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 8:25 PM


Thanks, just something I thought up this morning. Glad you liked it.

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 8:34 PM


Hi Mom, what's for dinner?!! Well, er, the reason I asked such a silly question is because I just finished feeding the bunny babies, and haven't even gotten to my own roadkill yet, before that fresh juiciness dries up...so thought you might have some leftovers to throw my way.

OK, more serious like, I'm glad to see you haven't bolted the bog (or as Bethie has more accurately dubbed it, the stagnant cesspool!) permanently, or Pups either. We need some decent, upstanding folk around to keep us brutes in order now and then! And yeah, the Mule Mastress (think I just made that up; doesn't sound too hot) snorted and shuffled off to sling some trucks at work earlier, so I think she knew what kind of trouble I was up to; can't fool her, and don't even try! And you're always welcome to the smiles; guess I got bit by the goofy monster or somethin' today.

I think your rules of conduct are fine. Maybe the only things I could suggest to maintain is a stern but benevolent glare, and keep that paddle in hand, just in case you deem it necessary! I'm still hummin' & hawin' about submitting a draft of my proposal to the Webmeister for your (and the village mob's) perusal, as that may be a certain cyber-suicidal death wish...maybe I can talk Pups into presenting it, ya think?!!!

Well, I best be getting to munchin' on the roadkill, since before I know it, it'll be bunny-feeding time again. I wonder if I could "outsource" that feeding and fanny-wiping action...would that be considered unpatriotic or somethin'?!! Nice talking to ya. Out for now.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 9:05 PM


Ooops. Just caught your post while checking out. And I didn't just like your masterpiece, I loved it...it was a scream, and it showed that you certainly don't have your, er, ah, "tools" in a lock box!!! Glad you're hangin' in there too.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 9:10 PM


Just a thought but doubt you are still on. If someone stated on a public radio show that the president should be shot would the Secret Service take it as a threat?

-- Posted by SWBG on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 9:28 PM

That is a valid point SWBG.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 9:34 PM


Please lead my to where you saw there were 300 Bear-Stearns executives arrested. I'd like to read it because CNN, earlier this evening, has only heard of 2.


Osama/Hitlery - Oh the possibilities!

-- Posted by rnw101563 on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 9:40 PM


Please lead ME to the story...

-- Posted by rnw101563 on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 9:47 PM

Great article:


-- Posted by rnw101563 on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 10:02 PM


-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 10:15 PM


Saw on CBS new tonight that mortgage fraud arrests now rank with terrorism and drugs on FBI priority list and number of arrests. Damned dirty capitalists.

-- Posted by SWBG on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 10:23 PM

Going to try this again, but am having issues with system at work so who knows.


Really hope you didn't mind the poem, and you're scareing me a bit. Most of your posts have been left in leaning. Who are you and what have you done with Babe????? j/k


I haven't packed up the toys and ran, just maybe not sharing as much as I used to. lol

Mom, Nickey, and Melange,

Owe you all an email, but with said system problems, they aren't going thru. Will try tomorrow from home.

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 10:36 PM

SWBG, that is a whole different story. They take everything out of context when that comes in to play.

-- Posted by chaffeemp on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 10:39 PM

Whooohooo it worked, but not going to press my luck. Everyone have a great Night.


Be safe and come home soon.

Who Me?

I bet this great 'summer' weather has been great for business. Just don't over do, wouldn't want you to make too much money. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 10:40 PM


I don't disagree with that. However there comes with it a certain amount of social responsibility when your voice can reach millions of people. Heck Don Imus was fired for saying something a whole lot less harmful.

-- Posted by SWBG on Thu, Jun 19, 2008, at 10:54 PM

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