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Speak Out 6/12/08

Thursday, June 12, 2008

Great weekly guide

I THINK the SE Live weekly guide in Thursday's Southeast Missourian is great. The editor, Chris Harris, and her staff produce an informative, interesting review of what is happening in Southeast Missouri. Our family wouldn't know a third of what is taking place in our area without this guide. Kudos to SE Live.

Noticeable contrast

THE PEOPLE holding signs on the sidewalks is temporary. The horrible condition of the front of the Esquire Theater seems to be permanent.

Payback time

WHEN YOU get your rebate check, please be sure to hold some back. After all, we borrowed it from China, and we're going to have to pay it back with interest.

Money for food

I KEEP hearing about people not having enough to eat and running out of money. I bet I could go to their home and follow them around when they go out shopping and see where they spend their money. And they've got enough money to buy something to eat. It's the other things they buy that takes their money. They have all kinds of things they want to do before buying food.

More important

IT WOULD be a nice thing to plant flowers and shrubs on the interstate exit and entrance ramps. However, I think it would be even prettier to see all the food pantry shelves filled up. I'd like to see people who have places to live. I'd like to see electricity on instead of people using candles. I'm sorry, but I don't think flowers are that important right now.

School lunches

I THINK it's wonderful that a couple of the schools are going to have free meals for children all summer. I don't know that Blanchard Elementary School is the easiest place for children to get to. A lot of the people who have trouble buying groceries also don't have a car. Maybe school officials should have chosen a school in the neighborhoods where children could walk there instead of needing a ride.

Not running red lights

I TRAVEL all the time through the intersections at Cape Rock Road and Kings¿highway and William Street and Kingshighway, and I don't see people running red lights. I'm sure if the police see someone doing something grossly wrong, they're going to stop them.

Still driving

A MAN has had nine DWIs and got off on this last one. Why is someone like that allowed to drive? I've known people who have had three DWIs who are in jail.

Library stop sign

I VISIT the Cape Girardeau Public Library a couple times a week. I've noticed the driveway that comes out of the temporary location onto Broadview Street doesn't have a stop sign, and the traffic on Broadview does not stop. I have seen on several occasions near misses where people think they have the right of way because there's no stop sign. I know it's a temporary location, but we need to get a stop sign put up.

Finding Osama

I'VE BEEN told that since the 1970s we have had satellites that have cameras with enough magnification to pick up license-plate numbers on automobiles. Last August we launched a space vehicle to one of the poles of Mars in search of ice. As this space vehicle parachuted to its target, our satellite circling Mars photographed its descent. It was an awesome picture. It's been almost seven years since the horrors of 9-11. Does the U.S. government really think we believe our troops can't find Osama bin Laden? What an insult.


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It is a rare day to drive the streets of Cape and not have your life endangered due to someone running a a red light or even a stop sign. Wisdom says that when your light turns green, you look all ways before proceeding. I witnessed several cars hit by one of those drivers. Or worse yet, those that because they have the right of way refuse to give that up for an emergency vehicle. Twice I've seen police cars, with sirens and lights, almost hit or be hit. Thankfully they were watching.

-- Posted by KingsKid on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 8:14 AM

Libray stop sign

The're are lots of driveways all over town at bussinesses and homes that do not have stop signs. Anyone dumb enough to think you can come out of a driveway onto a main street just because there is no stop sign should not be driving a car.

-- Posted by newman90 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 9:10 AM

I agree newman. You can not pull out of your own driveway without stopping to look for oncoming traffic so why would you be able to pull out of a parking lot into a busy street and not stop and look. Wonder why so many kids have accidents well look at the ones who taught them to drive.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 9:21 AM

Snoops

Hope you have a lot of patience cause I dont see you getting an answer!

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 10:03 AM

Noticeable contrast

I completely agree. Let's spend a little money fixing up what we have rather than hindering businesses that are trying to bring money to the area

Payback time

Shut up!

Money for food

Once again...Shut up! Everyone seems to know whats best for everyone else's money. go get a hobby, apparently you don't have enough to do with your time, cause you sit around thinking "I wonder what my neighbor is doing with his paycheck."

Oh, and good morning everyone!!

-- Posted by Producer1 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 10:09 AM

Good thing because I dont!

Does nayone on here know if parents can get a petition going to fire a principle and if so what percentage would have to sign it?

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 10:10 AM

Producer

well said. I work I earn my paycheck as does my husband and I think it is our right to spend it how we want. Sure it would be nice if people weren't doing without but you can't help everyone.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 10:11 AM

funkeled ,

my aunt use to get drunk alot and she would come up with

words nobody has ever heard before ...maybe this is the origin of funkeled...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 10:16 AM

Snoops its a slang term used back in the day meaning being messed up goofed etc. (you have to be over a certain age to know I asked my grandpa and he's 70 so what does that tell ya)

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 10:29 AM

Library stop sign

LMAO that is too funny and this person actually knows how to read well enough to utilize a library!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 10:31 AM

Snoops

Lord love a duck...it's not a big secret.

It's internet slang. To funkel means you posted five in a row without a response. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 10:41 AM

Snoops I think it was the bottle talking shhh no one is supposed to know that

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 10:42 AM

ok I lied not the bottle the crack pipe

I have been using the internet for about oh I dunno at least 15 years been in chat rooms of every kind shape and forum and NEVER heard that word additionally its not on ANY internet slang list

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 10:47 AM

Snoops

Oh, no problem. You are free to run your mouth anytime. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 10:49 AM

re: more important

My dear, do you realize that candles are very expensive?

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 10:55 AM

I think they were refering to the fact that they couldn't afford to pay their electricity bill.....

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 10:57 AM

Nickey

I know. LOL

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 11:01 AM

poppa

Now you listen here, you fruitcake. I guess Nasty Nickey started this 'pipe' nonsense and now you are taking it up. I will NOT tolerate being defamed nor slandered.

Now, about the candles. The point I was trying to make was that if one is not able to pay an electric bill then they would probably not be able to afford expensive candles, either.

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 11:42 AM

Funkle,

According to the Urban Dictionary:

1.To befuddle or confuse.

2.Word used to describe absolute awesomeness.

3.A drinking game.

4.A particular form of flatulence.

There may very well be other definitions, but these are what I found. My grand kids make up their own words and definitions, so maybe us adults should be able to do the same; gotta start somewhere.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 12:01 PM

woo hoo I got a new Nickname!!!!! LOL and FYI there are candles at the Dollar tree and OMG They cost a DOLLAR!!!!!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 12:06 PM

This is getting a tad childish...

-- Posted by Producer1 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 12:08 PM

double standards are Babe's forte she can call anyone any name and slander them all day long but OH HOW DARE you do that to her!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 12:09 PM

poppa

Yes, indeed, I have a lot of nerve defending myself from accusations by Nasty Nickey and you of smoking crack.

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 12:11 PM

Look I'm sorry I was just pokin fun is all and apparently people took it the wrong way I mean come on "funkled"

But at anyrate my point is not all candles are expensive and don't dish it out if you can't take it. I'll be sure and put a disclaimer on all my comments that I am being sarcastic so that way no one gets their feelings hurt in the future (BTW that was sarcasm)

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 12:13 PM

Payback time,

I don't understand. Is the Chinese government going to come to my house and want pay back of the stimulus check? If I buy from Wal-Mart is it the same thing as paying back China? What a conundrum!

How about this: If I buy an American car assembled in Mexico with Japanese parts manufactured in Canada am I buying American? But if the money I borrowed is from a company heavily financed by Chinese creditors is it the Chinese that are truly the recipients?

-- Posted by SWBG on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 12:17 PM

I will have to agree with the SO post about people saying they can't afford food, yet waste their money elsewhere. People waste so much even having so little.

I find it so funny how offended people get in this room. It is words. Remember, the only power people have over you is the power of reaction. If you react, you are giving them the power.

Now, on a completely off-topic. I was watching David Letterman today before I went to work, and was happily surprised. First off, everyone knows I am in Italy, so David Letterman from your nighttime comes on for us as a "rerun" the next day at 430pm. Anyways, Jakob Dylan was the guest singer. He came out with a new cd titled "Seeing Things". If you don't know who he is, he is the son of Bob Dylan and the lead singer of The Wallflowers. I personally love his music. It is very much folksy rock like his dad. Anyways, I downloaded the cd off of Amazon, and it is excellent. I recommend it to everyone. It is raining here now, and goes perfectly with the weather.

-- Posted by chaffeemp on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 12:18 PM

ChaffeeMP you said

I find it so funny how offended people get in this room. It is words. Remember, the only power people have over you is the power of reaction. If you react, you are giving them the power.

You are too right.

Did you see my response from the other day about your question for me? Just wanted to make sure there wasn't any misunderstanding

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 12:23 PM

I remember back in the early 90's everyone predicted that Japan was going to control the US because of their investments. I even heard that at one time it was Germany we were afraid of because of their purchases. We have not been independent from foreign investment in other countries economies and their involvement in ours in many, many years.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 12:25 PM

Nickey, I vaguely remember something about you saying you expected it from the military but not from common people. I asked what exactly you meant or was talking about, and that you sounded like you were saying the military was uneducated. I didn't quite catch your response though. I was trying to figure out what you were talking about, not sure what it was about. You didn't offend me, if that is what you thought. I like when people underestimate me. Gives me the advantage.

-- Posted by chaffeemp on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 12:27 PM

ChaffeeMD

People do have the power to slander and ruin a person's reputation. I will not tolerate such without defending myself...and it just might get very ugly here.

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 12:30 PM

ChaffeeMP,

I have always gone by my own saying which the same as yours, "People bother me only to the extent I let them." I always told those working for me that you may have no control over what happens to you, but you do have control over how you respond it it. Unfortunately having the knowledge and putting it in to practice is not easy and sometimes I do violate my own advice. Of course that is when "they" win.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 12:33 PM

Chaffee

No ChaffeeMP not at all I admire all military personel I am talking about loyalty to your commander in chief that you show regardless if you agree with EVERYTHING that is said and done or not you do it because you want to. Does that make more sense now? I was referring to the general public as being blind more or less to the facts in SOME cases (see I said SOME NOT ALL)

No I basically meant that I didn't regard military as undereducated I always thought that standing behind the president is something you HAD to do

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 12:34 PM

Babe just consider that payback for all the ugliness you spewed my way for no reason in the past ok Now we're even.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 12:35 PM

Babe, being that you on here are not a "real" tangible person, and we don't know who you are in real life, you can't be slandered or libeled. BABE is not a real person. It is a pig. Hmmm...2 and 2 together it seems.

Nickey, thank you for clarifying. As far as agreeing with the Commander in Chief, I am not required to. I can talk trash about him, being that I am enlisted. However, officers are subject to UCMJ action, being that it is against the law for them to do so. Me, personally, I am a Pro-Bush guy, but that is me.

This is something I want everyone to know and realize. Part of the reason we do what we do is because we are told to. Another part is the President decides. The third part is that it is for God and Country. The most important reason we do what we do is for our brothers and sisters in arms. I would cry and mourn more for my very close brethren in the military than most of my own family. That is just how it is.

-- Posted by chaffeemp on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 12:41 PM

poppa

It's not my responsibility to pay the wait person's power bill. I tip for good service not charitable contributions. And you would do well to cease from telling other folks how to spend their money.

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 12:44 PM

oh boy the high and mighty train has rolled into the station once again

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 12:54 PM

Well put ChaffeeMP.

I was not sure how that worked since I am not in the service and I don't want to talk to my brother in law that was about that because he can't seem to tell the truth about anything

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 12:55 PM

ChaffeeMP

Yes, I am a real tangible person. This is a small town and thanks to an error by this paper in sending emails, my real name is known to many posters on this forum. And anyone can be charged with slander if it involves accusing someone of a crime.

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 12:55 PM

SMOKING crack isn't a serious criminal offense

SELLING it is

besides its slang for "you're crazy"

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 12:57 PM

Nickey

You better ******* the tracks, honeychile. giggle

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 12:57 PM

I'm glad that you find it funny that people think you are snobbish and hateful and just a downright disgusting person that can't be bothered with the little people when you need to take a look at your own life and realize what did I do wrong that warrants someone to leave me.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 1:00 PM

oh wait that was a threat! She's gonna run me over with a train I am gonna call the FBI!!!!!!!!!! (sarcasm)

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 1:00 PM

Poppa

You have no idea what I do for charity or the community. You assume much.

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 1:01 PM

Poppa I can tell u what she has done for charity she can no longer breed!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 1:02 PM

Nasty Nickey

I don't and never have done drugs....so I am unaware of the druggie slang.

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 1:03 PM

Me either but I still pay attention that way I know what my kids are talking about oh and you don't have to be a crackhead to use that term.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 1:05 PM

Babe,

A charitable gift would be one given out of benevolence or humaneness. If you give someone a gift and then expect them to use it the way you deem appropriate, it is no longer charity.

If you give the man on the corner a hamburger instead of money because you are afraid he might spend it on beer, you are no longer being charitable, you are being judgmental.

By reading your posts regularly and listening to your opinionated campaigning, I seriously doubt your high on the generosity scale.

-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 1:15 PM

Looks as though a good many folks seem to be doing some RomeoAlphaRag-time again...and I don't necessarily mean that syncopated jazz stuff either. Perhaps the toilet here in the bog needs to be flushed again before it overflows.

Geeze. This bunny baby feeding/tending is turning me nasty too...wait, I already was nasty! OK. Carry on.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 1:17 PM

Theorist,

Many a year ago while attending school at Mizzou I lived near the old bus station down town. Many a person of questionable character hung around. A man asked me for money so he could go to Wendy's and get his pregnant girlfriend some food. I offered to go buy him a meal for me but he said no thanks. It is what it is.

-- Posted by SWBG on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 1:26 PM

Can't we all just get along?

-- Posted by luv2argue on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 1:34 PM

I'm done now

Ignore mode engaged

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 1:37 PM

Yes Poppa you're right

Is it wrong that I want to be there AND charge admission when that happens?????

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 1:42 PM

Oh but the money we could make.......

Nah you're right lets do the CHARITABLE thing and let EVERYONE enjoy. I can think of quite a few people who would RSVP right away

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 1:59 PM

Everyone can go back to trying to rehabilitate Babe into being a human later, here's something important:

Check your mailbox. Mo Secretary of State has sent out brochures to Missouri seniors with some anti-investment fraud tips. There are 10 listed in all, but one really stands out. It warns against buying gold or precious metals "tangible assets' as they are 'expensive to locate,aquire, pay taxes on, and store gold bars or other tangible gold items.'

Carnahan has just used taxpayer monies to basically threaten perceived 'ill-informed' (i.e. the elderly) to not guard their monies in tangible assests. (How else is one to read the 'it's hard to pay taxes on' portion other than a threat?) This is nothing less than propaganda to help ensure that the average American has no assests when the implosion of the dollar is totally realized. At the very least it is advising people to not invest in a legal manner and dealers of precious metals should sue that office.

Make sure you let her know if you disagree with this, whether on the act of using tax payers monies for this or the advice it actually gives.

-- Posted by MoxFulder on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 2:00 PM

Thanks for letting me know Mox if I don't get one I will definatly check with my grandparents to make sure they didn't and don't listen if they did

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 2:02 PM

SWBG and poppa,

Of course it "is what it is". And yet....if I give the man a dollar, I have given a gift. If he then uses it to buy drugs et.al., then he is the one who will later have to answer.

-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 2:05 PM

Malone:

I don't recall coming on board to defend anyone; however, if you insist, maybe I can come up with some observations about C-Babe which might even give her some grins. I'll have to do some thunkin' on that while doing some chores, including another feeding session for the bunny babies. It'll no doubt Papa Oscar a bunch of usual suspects in this toilet...which would be a hoot too!

What the hey, I don't give a "chit", got better things to do. I suppose I could waste more time issuing excessive "chit" like a lot of suspects in this bog, not to mention indulging in some of their "projection" and menstrual-mouthing while I'm at it. Got a mirror? On second thought, perhaps I should require folks to submit a "chit", in triplicate, before it's dispensed to them! Well, maybe James Nall can sort this gambit out.

Oh, yeah, I'm also thinking of drafting up a nifty little proposal to the Webmeister and the suits up his food chain. Hmmm. I wonder if I should submit the draft to the bog mob here for input...that should start the Tango-balls hitting the fan!! Let me ponder said action for a day or two. Got nanny(state) stuff to do now.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 2:49 PM

before you go on defending Babe, you can see who's at the middle of the argument getting everyone all *****d off.

-- Posted by Snoops_Malone on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, 1:15 pm CDT

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!

I know I am not innocent but good Lord that woman just asks for it sometimes and is usually in the middle but yet some people choose not to see it and just assume that its anyone's fault but hers!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 2:51 PM

Poppa,

No offense taken, I was just clarifying. Thanks for your response though.

-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 2:52 PM

Dang it!. I'll have to work fast with my draft proposal if I'm gonna get the Sierra hitting the fan this week. Just remembered, I'm taking my usual "suicide sanity run" for the month up to the St. L area Fri or Sat. It's my patriotic duty to burn up some more of that gas and contribute to global warming...just to Papa Oscar the commie enviro-pukes, if nothing else!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 2:55 PM

Like I said I was pokin fun and she took it all serious maybe she needs to loosen her gears if you know what I'm sayin. She pokes fun people get offended she gets huffy. Why is it different whenever someone does it to her. Is it an age thing (nope shouldn't be) I will show respect when it is earned and she has done NOTHING for me to respect her or her opinion she's never done me the same courtesy. She is demeaning and rude and spiteful and hits below the belt way too much and thinks its ok but heaven forbid someone get the best of her.

If she weren't here I bet I know of quite a few people including myself that could turn their act around and debate civily. Maybe you should try a turn at that because even when I am no where around (IE Monday night I believe it was) she managed to **** everyone off so look to the source look at her!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 2:58 PM

Herr...

Perspective is good...if you can enlighten us, then all the better. But....you need to lay off of the name calling "projection and menstrual mouth" if you want people to listen. Verstehen sie das?

-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 2:58 PM

And I am not "menstral" or hormonal this is me ask anyone that knows me ask Aggie or Twiggy they will tell you I am just normally this way. I can be your best friend or your worst enemy but that's up to you not me

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 3:00 PM

Alright well the powers that be can just go and do what they want to I really don't care to be honest but Babe better get it too!

I'll check in with you decent people later on for now I gotta fly.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 3:12 PM

LOL the send back isn't ur internet its mine LOL its our bad language filter at work hahaha Try LILRIVERRAT14@yahoo.com I can't check it at work but I can other places otherwise get creative and it will let it pass I can send it out but I can't get it back in

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 3:14 PM

theorist,

Merely commenting that when someone says they need money for food but will not accept food they are being disingenuous. A gift of food is still a gift. If I buy your lunch is it not a gift? If you are down and out and I bring you a sack of groceries is it not a gift? Charity comes in many forms. It does not have to be monetary to be charity. Some people do not have money to give but give the charity of their time.

-- Posted by SWBG on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 3:17 PM

Gee, shucks. I go through all that log-0ut/log-in mumbo jumbo to have a little fun between bunny feeding and chores, and I seemed to have made a point without even trying...not to mention Papa Oscar some folks in the process!

Theorist:

I should apologize (but won't), as I seem to be negligent in my interpretation of the 1st Amemdment. I foolishly failed to realize that name-calling, labelling, etc, is only a privilege to be exercised by the radical left. Oh, and I'm sure I was also remiss in pointing out that projection of the lefts' own iniquities onto those they hate is one of their hallmarks. Sorry, sometimes I lose control and hold up a mirror to reflect their "stuff" back on them.

NickeyB:

Gee. Again, I don't recall mentioning you regarding the R.A.G.time gig. There are times when some guys, at least the metrosexual ones, are even worse than gals. Even so, if you are stepping forward to volunteer as one of the usual suspects, by all means, knock yourself out.

Malone:

Not to dabble too much with the lefts' over-used and abused Big Lie technique, but perhaps something bears repeating here. My purpose earlier was not to defend C-Babe, as it seems she can take care of herself. But your misinterpretation of my purpose, along with others, seems to have stirred up a lather and got some fun Sierra flyin' anyway! Thanks!! But just for grins, if you want me to defend Babe, even just to start some Sierra, then maybe I can oblige you. Worst case for causing some heartburn in this bog is to come up with some compliments for Babe...some folks will end up sputterin' & mutterin' so bad they'll end up filling the ERs as basket cases!! Could be fun. Allow me time to conjure something up while I'm doing the chores this aft. In the meantime, maybe Pups can start alerting the ERs!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 3:45 PM

Too Funny! LMAO

-- Posted by luv2argue on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 3:51 PM

Herr

Between all the arguing and bickering you can always get a laugh with your humor well at least from me.

Snoops/Nickey

Calm down before you give yourself a heart attack! You know as well as I do fighting with Babe is going to solve nothing even if it does provide entertainment. Some people are just to set in their ways and opinions to accept that others think and feel differently.

Chaffeemp

Even if you are pro Bush you are a good guy to be doing what you are doing. Guess you are ready to be back in the USA

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 3:58 PM

I have always thought it would be interesting for someone with the time and an analytical mind to go through some of the Speak Out posts to determine whether those identifiably on the "left" and those on the "right" are more prone to foul language and personal attacks. I have always thought it was coming more from those on the left, but since I am more to the right, I am sure my perception is skewed. It would take someone more "middle of the road" than I to do this.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 3:59 PM

Red

What I have seen is it is more of a combination. Both those on the right have some posters that are fair, listen and respect all opinions while others tend to blast those that do not agree and the same with those on the left.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 4:03 PM

Where did everybody go?

-- Posted by luv2argue on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 4:12 PM

As I scrolled down to start reading from the first comments, saw several of the avatars that usually suggest it's going to be another one of those days when some posters are using SO as a vehicle for their personal frustrations and in-fighting...so decided I didn't want to ruin the rest of my day by reading them, and commenting on the actual Speak Out topics instead.

Money for Food

One of the first things I learned as a young wife was the absolute necessity to set some financial priorities: Rent and utilities absolutely first, <u>essential</u> food second (make a realistic list and stick to it--no "impulse" purchases!), and at least a small percentage for savings third (viewing it as a "bill" to be paid), reserving enough money for gas to get to/from work. Only after the necessities should anyone purchase new clothing, or junk food, or electronic equipment, or stop at McDonald's, etc.

More Important

Agree. Beauty only after essentials. Public landscaping is kind of like deciding to buy a lipstick instead of the gallon of milk one needs. Now, tell that to all our politicians. ;-)

Still Driving

Noticed that DWI article. Hard to believe.

Library Stop Sign

Why would people exiting onto a public street from a driveway think they have the right-of-way? Not sure, but was always under the impression that there is not a mandatory law to obey stop signs on private property--that businesses often put them up to protect their own interests in case of an accident/lawsuit. Maybe someone else knows if that is true, at least in this area?

-- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 4:15 PM

Semoangel70,

You are probably right and it may just depend on the day and who is participating. I doubt anyone has the time or interest anyway. Out of curiosity, I may go through a couple of days just for fun and keep the results to myself.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 4:21 PM

Mom

You are right budgeting is a must especially now. our oldest started working this summer when she gets her check she knows she has to put a set amount aside for her car insurance and gas but she also knows that 10% goes straight into a savings account. If she does it when she goes and cashes her check then she never really saw the money or had it so she dosn't miss it. It is harder to pull 30 or 40 from your wallett and go put it in the bank. She also knows if the money is gone before payday then she is SOL and don't come running to me or dad because she thought that new shirt was more important than gas. If all parents would start teaching this as soon as the kids started earning money then we would have a lot less complaining when they turn adults and are on their own.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 4:22 PM

Red

You have my curiosity up now! I might have to check into that as well.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 4:24 PM

Herr,

I am a diehard conservative, but even I can see that you are a Jacka$$. Have you ever seen the movie "Good Will Hunting"? There is a part in it where this Harvard(?) student starts spitting stupidity out of his mouth when he is just plagarising some book he read and trying to cop it off as his own. You seem like the same. You try to use big words to seem intelligent. I always found that those who do that are the biggest idiots of them all. Hope I Papa John'd your ***.

-- Posted by chaffeemp on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 4:35 PM

Semo, thanks. You are always most supportive. I am ready to get out of here. Just 35 days and a wakeup to go!!! I am on my last night of midshift for this set of working days. Then off the next four days. Tomorrow starts the 10 day carnival on our base. It is great, because there are idiot Italians who decide to ride the bumper cars with their small children on their lap. Been trying to teach them a lesson the last 2 years by knocking the crap out of them on the track, but still no luck. Maybe I can get lucky tomorrow.

-- Posted by chaffeemp on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 4:37 PM

Chaffeemp

I know my brother always hated most of his overseas tours he as you claimed they were all idiots. He has said many many times though that being the places he has been has always made him appreciate home even more and I think in a lot of ways it helped him to grow up. I may not always like what you say or agree but I have the utmost respect for any man or woman who will put on a uniform and try to protect the freedoms most of us take for granted. Just be careful with the bumper cars we dont want any kiddies getting hurt. By the way werent you suppose to find out if you were going to be a dad ( sorry I may be thinking of someone else please dont shoot me.lol)

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 4:43 PM

I have to respectfully disagree with ChafeeMP. I like Herr and I get a kick out of his posts. I honestly dont think he plagerizes anything. I just think he has an off the cuff knack for writing in an unorthodox, quirky and entertaining style. But, to each his own. There are some on here that rub me wrong but they very well could be nice people in person. I probably will never know.

-- Posted by luv2argue on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 4:48 PM

superbee

I guess the thing I like about Herrs post is even when he is disagreeing he does it in a humorous manner and from what I have seen he doesn't run anyone down unless it is obvious fun but I can see how others might find it upsetting as well. Guess to each their own.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 4:52 PM

Semo, you are right, it was me. The answer is no, she wasn't pregnant. Funny thing though. She told me that when her and her mother were in the parking lot, her mom realized she was upset. She then proceeded to tell my fiancee "It looks like you two need to FxxK like rabbits when he gets home". Shocked the hell out of us both, lol.

-- Posted by chaffeemp on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 4:55 PM

chaffee

well guess sorry is okay to say then and it sounds like mom is ready to be grandma! Just make sure to enjoy life all you can because once you have kids it all changes and most of your conversations will be all about them and not you but they are worth it.........well most days!!!!!!

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 5:00 PM

Reading from my first post forward...NOT going to get bogged down in the earlier...uh..."discussions"!

superbee

"I have to respectfully disagree with ChafeeMP. I like Herr and I get a kick out of his posts.

Glad you said it first, as I was going to. Herr is one of THE most clever people I know, and when he "pokes fun", it's always (almost always--have seen him a little under the mental weather just once or twice LOL) FUN!

And...that is in NO way a comment against you or your opinion, ChaffeeMP...your posts are interesting and informative, and generally polite. Admirable.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 5:05 PM

This is my thing about Herr. He tries to use lingo that the common person cannot underdstand to make himself seem more intellectual. I can understand what he is saying, but I feel he overdoes it for self-gratification. Not saying I would't like him in real life, just don't agree on here.

-- Posted by chaffeemp on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 5:22 PM

ChaffeeMP

We can understand Herr. Can't you, especially being in the military? LOL

-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 5:25 PM

Re: Herr

To get a good idea of what type of person a poster is, one needs to look at their contributions as a whole rather than one or two posts. Most on here including myself that either they wish they had not said or had said it in a different way. As has so often been said, much is lost in the written word. Also in the present climate of political correctness people often stumble all over themselves trying to communicate without offending ANYONE. I have disagreed with most people on here from time to time even those with whom I share the same political leanings though I have not always put voice to those points of disagreement. Overall I like Herr's posts though they are sometimes hard to follow and over the top so to speak. That is his style and the way he prefers to communicate. He is a very well educated man who could in all likelihood write as well or better than most on here in the manner of a teacher, lecturer or whatever. I believe he is just trying to pass on some information, opinion and have some fun in the process.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 5:26 PM

Red

Well said

I try not to get an argument started but well those who know me know I have a big mouth and some people can just get me irritated real quick while others I can ignore. Most of those I have offended I have apologized to the ones I haven't well I wasn't sorry so why say I was. Herr is just a unique individual and I like his post we could all probably learn a few things from him.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 5:32 PM

I will volunteer myself for it because I am too guilty of letting people bait me all of us are at one point and time with the exception of a select few but if you look back at root a lot of them well lets just leave it at that

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 5:36 PM

ChaffeeMP

Hmmmm..."He tries to use lingo that the common person cannot underdstand to make himself seem more intellectual..."

What can I say? I understand it...~blushing~ Some time ago he explained it all, and that helped. No, no...he isn't trying to make himself seem more intellectual...he doesn't need to.

AHA! You read all of today's earlier posts, didn't you? LOL That can sometimes be such a downer to an otherwise "up" person's mood--like, it's contagious? NO! Wait, sorry...Getting myself in too deep here.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 5:38 PM

Nickey

I have seen you butt heads with one person that we have all butted heads with and well you know my feelings on that! I wonder if "killing them with kindness" would work?

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 5:40 PM

I dunno semoangel but I guess I can try! Are u gonna be at lunch tomorrow? Hubby is coming too. Then we are off to an ultrasound to see if this is a baby boy or baby girl! I can't wait!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 5:46 PM

I don't know yet. My son has an appointment to get his cast checked and it dependsif we get out of there in time. Hope all goes well at the doctor. By the way it is a girl!

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 5:48 PM

Snoops

be nice........we are trying to kill it with kindness!!!!!!

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 5:50 PM

I'm thinking Casa again same bat time same bat channel! I have an ultrasound appt at 1 and then doc at 1:50 and its real close plus my husband wants to try it out since its new (finally gonna try something new yay!!!) Is that OK Mel??

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 5:59 PM

yeah Snoops from now on think nicey nice and maybe that will work ya know oh how ARE you today you look so nice is that a new dress????

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 6:00 PM

Babe, from their comments I see there are many others here who see you for what you really are. Of course, that doesn't take too long.

-- Posted by iago1 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 6:02 PM

Everyone seems to be fixated on one person. If everyone feels that way about that one person, I really don't understand why you could possibly be upset at anything they have to say. Go back to what ChaffeeMP said much earlier about letting people get to you. Yeah, I know I have to work on it too, but I am ding my best.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 6:04 PM

SWBG---(and Theorist)

I agree with you RE: Charity. Although I don't care if it's charity or just being a good person or what anyone wants to call it....if someone needs something...(i.e...I have no food and I'm hungry....then I will buy you a meal. If you need a gallon of gas and are on the side of the road...I buy a gallon of gas.) Part of my approach is because I was taken in by a scam artist who was working the Schnucks parking lot saying he needed money for a formula for a baby while his brother was fixing his car so he could get home. I eventually found out that he had hit my mom up with the same story and then saw an article where he had hit up lots of people. So, I give you what you ask for....so ask for what you need. No shame in that. Likewise...if I need something...I ask for that specifically.

Chaffee/Semo--

Semo isn't kidding...having kids'll make your entire life different in one fell swoop. I don't regret it...but it's definitely different and never going to be the same!

-- Posted by Super_Bethie on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 6:08 PM

Red_Rhino

"To get a good idea of what type of person a poster is, one needs to look at their contributions as a whole rather than one or two posts."

100% correct. Also interesting would be for people look over a few weeks' worth of their own posts...although most could not look at theirs with an unbiased attitude, probably. Sometimes it's humorous when one poster is accusing another poster of the same sort of things both might be doing/saying. IMO, looking at the "history" of what people write in this type of public "forum," gives a fair indication of their basic personalities.

Maybe I'd better go look at mine! YIKES! Now hoping to find that when I disagreed with anyone, I wasn't doing it in a personal or offensive manner (even though someone might have deserved it. LOL). Betting I'm guilty, too, in a few instances...

-- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 6:08 PM

Snoops,

Way over the line. A simple "I chose to keep it thank you." would have been enough.

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 6:09 PM

Red

I think all of us are really trying but when you have someone that makes personal attacks and then insults others just because they can it is hard to do. I have gotten a lot better and it has been a few days since I went off and keep trying not to do it again. I have gotten good at scrolling past post I do not wish to read. We are trying though and most of what we say we are meaning in fun.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 6:11 PM

Gurusmom

To a point I agree however there are just somethings that people know are hot button topics and still bring up. Yes I could be a bigger person and ignore but at the same time I was always told to back down is to show you have no backbone and people will walk all over you and I am no wall flower and I will not let that happen to me. People who truly know me know that I am a fiercly loyal friend and a good one to have but those who only choose to take this as the only way that I am need to open their mind and realize that your internet personality and face personality can be different.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 6:14 PM

Bethie

Hope motherhood is all you dreamed of and more. Guess the little guy is doing well and keeping mom and dad busy. Now that mine are older I often miss those days and then I think and realize it is tempoary insanity!

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 6:15 PM

Bethie he is a perfect perfect perfect little boy you and hubby are so lucky! Can't wait til mine gets here and they can play!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 6:19 PM

Snoops,

She did not state a reason for wanting it changed, she just asked. Not sure how that makes her a trouble maker. Just because other's haven't asked doesn't make her question over the line.

Just my opinion and I'm guessing it was probably better just for me to stay quiet.

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 6:19 PM

Mom

I know I have made people mad and as I said for the most part I always try to apologize if I know I offended anyone but as Nickey said sometimes that one person really gets under your skin. For the most part I have to say that most on here do not deliberatly set out to hurt or offend anyone but the way the reader takes it will often be the wrong way. I also think we all have a time when we post in the heat of the moment instead of taking a second to think and calm down first.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 6:19 PM

I am Guilty as charged semoangel

See I am woman enough to admit it too

Babe by the way I am so sorry if I offended you in anyway from now on I promise I am gonna be a good girl and make sure you understand EVERYTHING I say that is sarcastic. I wouldn't want you to get your poor little feelings hurt now.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 6:22 PM

Awww come on Snoops I'm a quarter German doesn't that mean I can make fun of my own????

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 6:26 PM

Snoops

I know I should be quiet but I really don't think she meant to upset you.

Everyone

I think the heat is getting to us all

Nickey

I also admit it and i promise from now on to scroll past every comment she makes just so I do not get ticked.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 6:26 PM

Forget it Snoops. I'm done.

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 6:27 PM

OK ok ok people come on calm down there for the most part we are all friends here lets be good for a change

It'll be hard for me to but this heat has us all doing and saying crazy things

You throw Shadows and Hormones and Menstrals and all that in there and we go ourselves a regular little loony bin in here is Thursday and I don't know about you all but I am ready for the weekend this week has been hell on earth!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 6:30 PM

Snoops

I don't know her well enough to say.

I do think that we are all entitled to whatever avatar we wish to use though. There are several on here I do not really like but for whatever reason the poster does so I read the comment and ignore the avatar.

Was you coming to lunch tomorrow?

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 6:31 PM

Bethie!

Good to "see" you again! Know Daegus is keeping you busy, and probably sleepless. ;-)

FYI...I'm out...As Herr might say, it really WAS a "bog" in here today.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 6:34 PM

Snoops,

I too find your avatar offensive, but I also believe someone's choice of an avatar should be left up to them as long as it does not go over the line as has happened in the past, but only once that I am aware. No one demanded that you do so, you were asked nicely.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 6:35 PM

OK I changed my avatar is this one better!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 6:38 PM

Is anyone coming to lunch then!

have fun on your special lunch snoops!!!!!

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 6:40 PM

Snoops,

It is offensive because it "appears" that McCain is fondling George Bush. I don't care for John McCain myself and I could probably come up with as many reasons not to vote for him as anyone. I have eliminated my avatar voluntarily as it is/was of a car of foreign manufacture whose origins came about through the Third Reich.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 6:46 PM

Right poppa

you can not judge all by one and best not to judge any

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 7:15 PM

Snoops

WE HAVE ALL BEEN JUDGING!

Trust me I am not taking sides over this I thought the avatar was funny and nothing more but I can see how some no matter which party they support could have been offended. We tell our kids two wrongs don't make a right. All of us go to lunch and usually have a nice time so please for me pups and Nickey lets try to make peace. Don't get mad at me or shoot the messenger so to speak.......we arent taking sides we just hate to see you two so mad at each other.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 7:22 PM

"I've had a wonderful time, but this wasn't it." - Groucho Marx (1895-1977)

"I have often regretted my speech, never my silence." - Xenocrates (396-314 B.C.)

"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." - Oliver Wendell Holmes (1841-1935)

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 7:31 PM

Snoops

Have a good lunch

Poppa

Well we all have an opinion nothing wrong with that it is what makes us who we are.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 7:37 PM

SWBG

We may be saying the same thing. If a person asks for money, but you decide to drive thru and give them burgers instead, you would be deciding what you though was best for them. That would be a conditional gift, and not genuine.

-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 7:48 PM

Red Rhino...

I am not sure what side of the ruler you think I am on, but I can assure you, I have never, ever, used profanity.

Get my point?

-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 7:50 PM

I am going to throw some fuel into the fire. One, Snoops, I think you are being hypocritical. You complain about Nickey's avatar, but yours is just as bad. They're both just stupid pics. Get over it.

-- Posted by chaffeemp on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 7:51 PM

Poppa

Actions do speak louder than words nothing has ever been more true.

Thak you. I try to care about all but well sometimes it doesn't work and then I usually turn off the computer and go bug my husband.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 7:51 PM

A gift once given is the recipients to do as they wish with it. If you buy a burger instead of money I do not really see that as conditional but maybe judgemental. Just like with your kids at Christmas you buy them what you can afford and you want them to have. few parents buy all that is on a kids wish list but we don't consider it conditional it is just what they got.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 7:56 PM

Semo angel....not my point. When you give the man burgers instead of money, by judging what you think is best, then you have taken away the goodness of giving.

Of course, when the recipient is your child, you have already signed on to raise them in the manner you choose. Not the same....

-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 8:00 PM

theorist

I see what you are saying. When you judge what someone needs the giving is then not from the heart as much as from the head. You still give the gift but instead of it being a true act of generousity it is an act of judgement, not really conditional though except on the givers part.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 8:04 PM

Theorist,

I must be missing something as I don't ever remember addressing you in any of my posts or making complaints about what you have said. Not saying I didn't, just don't remember.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 8:08 PM

To no one in particular,

I have been homeless and I have been hungry. I would have been tickled to death to have had something to eat whatever the giver's intention or judgment. I love philosophical discussions more than most, but sometimes they just don't seem too important. Just my thought and as usual I could be wrong.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 8:15 PM

Wow! I didn't realize it was Let's Offend Someone Thursday!

BTW - What the h-e-double hockey sticks was wrong with Snoops avatar? IMO - it was pretty **** funny. Life's to short to be an A-hole about little stuff.

-- Posted by BoratObama on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 8:15 PM

ChaffeeMP:

I just got back and fixing to feed the babies once again, but took a quick scan of some posts, including yours. So, before I address you personally, if you'll be good enough to hear me out, I'd like to thank those of you in the bog (& yes, I say bog for a reason) who had some kind words for me, albeit they were not necessary. You see? I Appreciated C-MP taking a swipe at me, for several reasons, but mostly because it seemed to have opened up a "can or worms" (so to speak) discussion about why we all do, and certainly say, the things that we do. That, alone, is a point worth pondering. Now, to address you more specifically, C-MP.

I never intentionally try to torque off anyone on active duty, in any branch of the military, and even if they seem to hate me. Now, older Vets closer to my age, that's negotiable! Sorry, I'm going to attempt some humor here, as I hope it won't be my last attempt at it. Anyway, if my methods offended you personally, please accept my apologies...with some caveats, as I will try to explain, perhaps once too often now.

Without going into my M.O., AFSC, Rate, etc, for any branches of the military I served in, I worked closely with and highly respected certain groups of folks, which you can define as MPs, SPs, Shore Patrol, and even those spooky undercover types you might liken to the military's version of the C.I.A. I even wanted to be a CHP between services; however a thing called marriage blew that dream away. I trust you're by now sensing that I have a high degree of respect for the kinds of things you do, now matter how immersed you get into the classified aspects of it. But I'm sneaking up on one of my caveats here. I give you credit for appreciating the critical need for trying to BALANCE STRESS LEVELS WITH A SENSE OF HUMOR!! Now, not all forms of stress are harmful but, if unchecked, stress can even kill. You have to balance it with something positive...I choose humor (as crude as mine seems to be at times) as opposed to, say, drinking, drugs, or losing it all together and hurting someone...unfortunately, in this country the way it's getting, the latter may soon have to be an option more often.

C-MP. Considering your line of work, if you tried to tell me that you just don't get what I've tried to say above, then I'd have my doubts about you. I've sensed some stress in some of your writings (BTW, the times I was in Italy sure stressed me out...couldn't get outta there fast enough!), but I've also figured if you couldn't handle it, you'd know what to do about it; many tragically don't. I'm not even interested in how deep you may be in classified, national-security stuff, especially goodies like WMD; I don't have that "need to know". But if you are deep into it, I trust you're aware of stressful programs like PRP where, if you s.c.r.e.w. up in any way, you're toast, in more ways than one; if you don't know what PRP is, you're lucky, stay out of it. In the things you do, self-control is just as important as being an expert shot. So what coping tools do you use? Surely, you rely to some degree on humor, hobbies, music, to name a few. No matter how you do it, cope is what you must do.

C-MP. With all the above bloviation said, do you think all of us right here in "Sinkhole" MO, and in this "bog" aren't grappling with some of the same issues you're dealing with, albiet on a much smaller and I dare say safer level? Sure, we're all angry, sad, scared, and confused at times, and for good reason. With all these idiotic "change" mantras going on, that's enough to trigger some big-time stress. Who can honestly promise this "change" is going to be so hot...it may just end up being hell on earth. And if you think things are gonna get more nice-nice between now and Nov 08, and beyond, then I've got one hell of a sinkhole I'd love to sell ya!

Now, if you'll permit me to end my diatribe with at least a feeble attempt at humor, I must protest. Who, me (settle down "Who Me?"), using big words. Why, at the age I'm getting, it's too much like work trying to remember let alone look up my name in those big ole dictionaries! Is "chit" a big word? I'm sure you know what it means, being a military guy (& I've explained it), even though I "prostitute" (is that a banned word?...we'll soon see) it somewhat for other purposes. Besides, since I wasn't born/raised a Redneck, I'm bustin' my Alpha trying to talk/act like one to appease my beloved Mule. You didn't notice my efforts?!

Well, I've said enough...hopefully even finally beat Liberty (NOT!) at his own game here. Besides, I'm overdue for bunny-nannying (if that's a word), and gotta think about that gas-guzzling trip to St L tomorrow or Sat, and while I'm at it, I'll try to counsel myself into dumping the humor nonsense and attempting an appropriate level of hate, despair, and anger that seems to be the preference in these parts. Just kidding...I think. God Bless you and bring you and your comrades home safely. Herr out.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 8:18 PM

Herr,

I'd love to read your post but I have ADD and can't keep focused for that long.....

-- Posted by BoratObama on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 8:22 PM

Red...

This is what you said "it would be interesting for someone with the time and an analytical mind to go through some of the Speak Out posts to determine whether those identifiably on the "left" and those on the "right" are more prone to foul language and personal attacks'

This is what I was responding to...

Thank you semoangel....you do understand and explained it much more eloquently than I.

-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 8:28 PM

Theorist,

OK, now I get it, sorry about that. After today, I don't even want to know anymore. In real life, I am all to prone to use curse words, but I am getting better at it. I admit that it is a weakness on my part. Given the time it takes to post on here and the process required, I see absolutely no excuse for using profanity on this site. That is however my personal judgment and values, others surely will disagree.

If I have offended anyone in any way today, I sincerely apologize as it was not my intention.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 8:37 PM

Snoops,

I kind of missed the avatar discussion today. Did someone get their panties in a wad over my favorite avatar of yours? You know, the one that celebartes our first openly gay president, george w. bush, and a very amorous McCain?

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 8:52 PM

Snoops

In a better mood? Just remember tomorrow is another day and hopefully a better one.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 9:10 PM

Snoops

Funny thing is we have the same pic as your avatar on our dart board........oops sorry not to offend anyone.....lol

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 9:16 PM

Snoop,

Sorry I ever said anything, but I by no means jumped on any band wagon. Do I think your avitar was offensive? No. Melange is entitled to her opinion just as you are yours. But, also keep in mind, that if the webmaster's didn't agree, then you would still have you avitar. I'm just saying, and I know you are not going to agree, so not sure if this post is worth it.

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 9:27 PM

Herr

"I'll try to counsel myself into dumping the humor nonsense and attempting an appropriate level of hate, despair, and anger that seems to be the preference in these parts. Just kidding...I think."

Don't you DARE! Gotta have some semblance of sanity in here, and as odd as it may sound to some...Yours is essential!

Surely would be interested to read your proposal draft to the "Webmeister and the suits up his food chain." Your suspicions that the fallout, if you posted it for the mob consideration, might be a little much are probably on the mark. I was thinking of suggesting two blog-type sites...Maybe one for Doom, Gloom & Hate, and one for the rest of us? However, the rules would have to be that we could only read but not post on whichever one we did not choose. ;-)

Red

Actually, I miss your neat little red car avatar (What was it?).

-- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 9:33 PM

Yep Liberty. Clinton was the first black president and Bush is the first gay president. If you folks don't believe it, read about him and James Guckert (a.k.a. Jeff Gannon)Talon News.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gannon Seems the $200.00 per hour gay escort turned Whitehouse reporter got a bunch of 1 day press passes between 2003-2005 so they didn't have to do a full background check on him.

Of course our lapdog gay friendly press at CNN and FOX did no more than a one line story about it. They had a war to promote ahem... I mean report on don't you know.

It seems Jeff Gannon was the republican version of Monica but without the thong. Well maybe there was a thong. Who knows? He probably delivered pizza. There is a picture of Bush and Gannon in one of those pesky candid shots that didn't get destroyed that looks like a Clinton Monica moment. Don't believe me, type in Jeff Gannon in Google and click on the google pictures. There are several of Bush and Gannon. Looks like they are REAL close buds.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 9:35 PM

Do you like my new McBush avatar?

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 9:40 PM

Who Me

"Glad I missed this day. 95 and dusty wasn't so bad after all I guess.

Laughing! I finally slogged through ALL of this...and would have been better off if I'd been out there in the heat & dust with you! Might have come in hot, tired, hungry...but in a better frame of mind. ;-)

-- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 9:49 PM

Snoops,

Been nice knowing you. I'm out for good. You win.

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 9:50 PM

Gurusmom,

It was a 1971 VW Super Beetle which was one of my very favorite cars, loved VW's. I will probably begin using it again tomorrow unless I can come up with something else as my "handle" or post name is linked to it.

Snoops,

None of us have a "right" to post on this site, we are allowed to by the paper and must conform to their standards. If we do not agree, we can refrain from participating. I would hope you continue to do so for even though you and I may disagree on just about everything, I believe you are a good and decent person with deeply held beliefs who contributes to the debate.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 9:57 PM

Oh my gosh, I told the truth about W and his secret pal. I hope the paper police doesn't have me banned.

Here is some more scoop about Bush and Gannon from a FOI act request by Raw Story.

Guckert made more than 200 appearances at the White House during his two-year tenure with the fledging conservative websites GOPUSA and Talon News, attending 155 of 196 White House press briefings. He had little to no previous journalism experience, previously worked as a male escort, and was refused a congressional press pass.

Guckert made more than two dozen excursions to the White House when there were no scheduled briefings. On many of these days, the Press Office held press gaggles aboard Air Force One—which raises questions about what Guckert was doing at the White House. On other days, the president held photo opportunities.

On at least fourteen occasions, Secret Service records show either the entry or exit time missing. Generally, the existing entry or exit times correlate with press conferences; on most of these days, the records show that Guckert checked in but was never processed out.

In March, 2003, Guckert left the White House twice on days he had never checked in with the Secret Service. Over the next 22 months, Guckert failed to check out with the Service on fourteen days. On several of these visits, Guckert either entered or exited by a different entry/exit point than his usual one. On one of these days, no briefing was held; on another, he checked in twice but failed to check out. You would think the SS (Secret Service) would have a problem not accounting for a reporter with a one day pass with no complete background checks like other reporters have.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 10:00 PM

Snoops,

You are right and I think I will follow Pups out the door.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 10:08 PM

Snoops_Malone

You asked if I would attend a Friday lunch, which I declined. I was polite, and did not tell you why, but now you know, or, you should have a relatively good guess as to why I would not.

There was nothing offensive about your avatar. Sure, McCain's hand was in the general area, of their gay president's genitals, but I am sure that it wasn't the first time. However, this time, it was caputred in a Kodak, er..."Photoshop" moment.

Now, be prepared for her to lead the discussion that your avatar should NOT be banned. It happened once before. She complained, encouraged others to complain. The avatar was banned, the poster was banned, but then she started posting that she didn't think that poster should be banned. "????????"

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 10:22 PM

Well this has been an ummmm interesting day. Guess pups has the right ideal.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 10:31 PM

Thats all we need, an old '****' like McCain for Pres, and an older '****' for VP. Lieberman

-- Posted by changedname on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 10:42 PM

INFOWARRIOR

Sometimes, with all the information that is rapidly coming to light, and with changing events, we forget the good stuff.

Thank you for reminding us about Jeff, and providing more information about this White House favored "male escort" who operated a gay website www.militarystuds.com and attended so many White House press briefings and had so much extraordinary "access" to the White House. THE FOIA information that you provided was very detailed. I really enjoyed the read.

It is astonishing that this radically fascist area of southeast Missouri so openly accepts and embraces their opelnly gay president, george w. bush. I wonder if he was "born" gay, or, was recruited by Karl Rove, Dick Cheney and Scooter Libby? In this area, I doubt if you would find many fascists who believe that gays are born that way, so, I guess that they are accepting of his covnversion by the three listed above to the gay lifestyle. bush has given hints of his out of the closet experiences by holding hands with Saudi princes, kissing lieberman, and several other men in public.

Some of those photos of him kissing men are so "precious"...

Who could forget their awkward "first kiss"?

http://www.rageagainsttheright.com/uploa...

http://www.suprmchaos.com/2dudes_rove-bu...

Puckered lips questionly meet. This is the moment that their souls meld as one.

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/...

After a few weeks exploring one anothers body, their lips are no longer apprhensive, but eagerly seek a moment of passion. http://www.unconfirmedsources.com/nucleu...

"When will I see you again? You will call, won't you?

http://web.comhem.se/~u73909834/bush4.jp...

But once his lover is on the plane back to Saudi Arabia, his "gay monster" inside him takes over and he seeks the comfort of other men.

http://petulantweb.com/blog/wp-content/u...

WARNING, DO NOT PROCEED IF PHOTOS OF MEN ENGAGED IN "head" OFFEND YOU!

http://www.silt3.com/photos/bush-kiss-he...

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 10:44 PM

Don't know if you are calling me a biggot snooty, but if you are, I am not. I am just telling the truth about this scoundrel we have had in the Whitehouse for 8 long years. All of his sheep think that he is a conservative Christian. He is neither conservative and probably not a Christian. Oh he believes in god alright, but not the same God most of us believe in my opinion.

Read about what they do at the Skull and Bones club at Yale. Read about what they do at Bohemian Grove every summer. This is no conspiracy about those two places. Those people are sickos and they are in charge.

Being a Libertarian, I don't care what any adult prefers sexually as long as there is consent and no kids are involved. But I honestly think people can't make it to the top in politics unless they have acted in devious perverted or illegal ways and there are compromising fotos and videos to prove it. They can do what they want as perverted and illegal as it is, until they don't do what their New World Order bosses tell them to do. Then they are exposed just like NY gov. Elliot Spitzer was. Some say Spitzer was looking into insurance fraud concerning Larry Silverstein and the attacks on 9/11 I don't know if that is true or not, but he stepped on someones toes for sure.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 10:47 PM

That was hillarious liberty!

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 10:49 PM

SNOOPS,

Let's call it....."With A Little Help From My Friends."

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 10:55 PM

Liberty,They will line up and gladly step in to the cattle cars and go to the FEMA camps. It is such a doggone shame. This country might be able to turn things around if people just said no to the fascism.

I almost feel sorry for them one minute, but then the next minute I would like to slap the crap out of them and tell them to wake the hell up. this country is being destroyed by design as Alex Jones said in his video several years ago. Our money is becomming more worthless everyday, our food supply is depleted, and our liberties are being revoked. Everything he talked about has come true. But even with his record, the sheep and cattle call HIM crazy. They say that we are just doom and gloom because we are speaking the truth. I just want to shake my head.

I understand in a way their fear of wanting to find out the truth. It is scary to think that most everything you have been told in your life about how things really work is a lie. It is sad to think that political parties work together to work against the people. But you know as well as I that when you do wake up to reality, it is an incredible rush. It's like wearing the sun glasses in the movie They Live.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 11:03 PM

Snoops. Isn't it true that McCain can't raise his arms very well because of his war injuries? That has to be the answer. Are those who are complaining, complaining about a war hero with a disability? How thoughtless of them.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 11:13 PM

Snoops,

There may be trouble in paradise. McCain seems to be a bit of a fickled lover, and may not be a "one man, man."

http://www.unconfirmedsources.com/

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 11:21 PM

Bush probably needs help with his zipper because of injuries caused by hoisting all of those beer bottles until he decided to quit drinking "in his youth" 22 years ago. Scatch that. A lot of us think that Bush really never did stop drinking. He sure acts and talks like he never quit not to mention his lack of judgement.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 11:22 PM

OMG Liberty, I hadn't seen the foto of McCain and Andre the Giant. That is a good one. I can't type because I'm laughing too much.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 11:28 PM

SNOOPS,

The man smiling in the TIME photo makes me wonder if there is a hole in the seat of the president's pants? He is standing a wee bit too close, is he not?

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 11:30 PM

These world leaders are insane and psychopathic at the same time. If you study many of the official photos of Bush, Clinton, Blair and many other former and current leaders, they have so many bizzare poses. They have to be doing it on purpose to send some sort of sick esoteric message to their minions. I tell you again, you can't get to the top unless you are a nut case of some sort. Most of the world leaders are related and have inbred ancestries going back hundreds of years. They are all related.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 11:38 PM

Maybe the Decider is talking about his favorite reporter, Jeff Gannon.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 11:51 PM

...or talking about another Repbulican buddie of his. Larry "Wide Stance" Craig.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 11:53 PM

Snoops,

My guess is that they are talking about Jeff Gannon, the "journalist" which INFOWARRIOR spoke of earlier.

INFOWARRIOR,

You are right in your belief about the climb to the top. I am sure that you are familiar with THE FRANKLIN COVERUP, because I believe that you have commented on it before. One of the theories behind the coverup is that the CIA/NSA was running a child prositution ring for Congressmen, judges, etc. along with some corporate CEO's in order to photograph them and blackmail them as they rose in power.

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Thu, Jun 12, 2008, at 11:54 PM

Indeed Liberty. The Franklin cover-up is one of the biggest scandals ever. If that book ( and google video) are correct and I believe they are, those creeps at the top in business,judicial politics,and entertainment have abused so many kids that if there is a hell, it would be too good for them.

I bet you have read Cathy O'Briens book too. When I first read it a few years ago, I wasn't 100% sure. But now I believe most everything she wrote. There are a couple of clips of her on You Tube.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Fri, Jun 13, 2008, at 12:03 AM

History Channel program with MICROWAVE WEAPON to be used against US Citizens.

On the History Channel NOW... 11:00pm, the History channel, cable channel 63 in Cape and Jackson, dunno in Austin, is showing the microwave weapon, called an active denial system. It is supposed to be just a hot sensation, but I bet that it can be dialed up to kill you, if they chose.

Wonder what a 50 cal in their little cycletron(?)generator, in the rear passenger side of the HUMVee, would do? Don't have one, but am willing to believe in Santa if he would bring one this Christmas.

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Fri, Jun 13, 2008, at 12:07 AM

They can and will dial it up to kill and say it was an accident. They are going to pull out all of the stops and use all of their horrible tools during the conventions this year. The end of free speach is near along with the rest of our liberties.

Well got to crash. Got to rest up to fight the New World Order tomorrow. It has been a blast tonight.

Infowarrior Out.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Fri, Jun 13, 2008, at 12:15 AM

INFOWARRIOR,

I interviewed FBI SAC for Dallas, Memphis and LA, Ted Gunderson. My memory is slipping, but I may have interviewed John DeCamp, as well, or, I was scheduled to interview him when my program was cancelled by a partisan Republican station owner. Can't remember.

All that you have read about it is true. I have heard other interviews, where the guest told that bush 41's favorite was a young black boy that he selected at one of these parties arranged for the elite.

I did interview J.D. Cash concerning the OKC bombing, and his discovery of Carol Howe. J.D. Cash, I found out later, is a friend of the owner of a country radio station here in Cape Girardeau. C106.

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Fri, Jun 13, 2008, at 12:15 AM

Looks as if it was a liberal love festival today. Funny how you libs will defend homosexuals and in the same breath, make fun of those you are defending.

Glad I am out of town right now....

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Fri, Jun 13, 2008, at 12:38 AM

Liberty and Infowarrior are one and the same. So, hows the liver Mike?

And to comment about your trivial attempt to pull me into a "Thank you" contest. I've never asked for a thank you or anything in the like. I don't want nothing from a happy go lucky person such as yourself, or yourselves (Lib and Infobenchwarmer).

Guess I'm off to swill another cocktail while you eat your TV dinner and watch CSPAN...alone.

If I had not known you I'd feel sorry for you. By the way, how was working for Todd McBride? Are you going to be out on the lamb, like him?

-- Posted by fajar154 on Fri, Jun 13, 2008, at 1:20 AM

Todd McBride? Did "he" work for him?

ROFLMAO! What a fu*king joke! Help defraud a few homeowners, eh?????

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Fri, Jun 13, 2008, at 7:14 AM


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