[SeMissourian.com] Overcast ~ 36°F  
River stage: 14.42 ft. Falling
Wednesday, Nov. 26, 2014

Speak Out 5/6/08

Tuesday, May 6, 2008

Condescending column

CAL THOMAS says if you're reading this newspaper, chances are you are not poor. Do you know any poor people? I'm poor, but guess what? I can read, and so can most poor people. Please don't condescend to us.

Paying off debts

I CAN'T find it within myself to feel sorry for people having problems paying the bills or paying their credit-card balances. Many people spend foolishly and don't have any awareness of where the money's coming from. They spend because they like to buy things. They have a lifestyle they don't want to change. I adjust my lifestyle to what I can afford. I feel comfortable that way. I'm not willing to help somebody who has spent foolishly pay off debts. I'll help people who need it and if they have problems that they couldn't help.

Highway concerns

I WOULD like for somebody at the Missouri Department of Transportation to tell the people of Chaffee and all the people who use Highway 77 from Chaffee to Blomeyer and Dutchtown and Highway 25 south to Oran if the highway department is going to do anything about the roads. Highway 77 is falling apart The shoulders are dangerous. It's going to cause somebody to have a terrible accident.

Endangered bees

IT IS my understanding that a swarm of honeybees took a temporary respite at the Jackson Soccer Park. Rather than allow them to move on, and instead of calling a beekeeper to safely remove them, the endangered bees were killed. Don't soccer parents read the news to know these bees are in short supply?

Racing tragedy

WITH ANOTHER sickening tragedy at the Kentucky Derby, I hope more will come to realize that our dominance over the rest of the animal kingdom has had holocaustal outcomes and will put pressure on the mint julep-sipping set to abolish all horse racing.

First aid, CPR training

I AGREE that school personnel should be trained in first aid and CPR. For the record, every staff member of the the Alternative Education Center has been certified by the American Red Cross in first aid and CPR.

Sex education

WHAT STATE is the leader in federal subsidies for abstinence-only sex education, requires watered-down words for body parts in its texts and has the highest teenage birth rate? Surely you guessed it: Texas.

Country living

QUIT DEPLETING farmland to build overpriced neighborhoods for people who want to live in the country but still want the conveniences of living in the city.


Fact Check
See inaccurate information in this story?


Comments
Note: The nature of the Internet makes it impractical for our staff to review every comment. If you feel that a comment is offensive, please Login or Create an account first, and then you will be able to flag a comment as objectionable. Please also note that those who post comments on semissourian.com may do so using a screen name, which may or may not reflect a website user's actual name. Readers should be careful not to assign comments to real people who may have names similar to screen names. Refrain from obscenity in your comments, and to keep discussions civil, don't say anything in a way your grandmother would be ashamed to read.

Cal Thomas and like supposed 'writer' have never or don't remember the real world. Not worth reading their columns.

-- Posted by changedname on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 7:48 AM

Ok start the doom and gloom Dems.

-- Posted by Who Me? on Tue, May 6, 2008, 6:50 am CDT

So....what is that supposed to mean?

-- Posted by Theorist on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 9:35 AM

Condescending Column:

Didn't read the column, but based on your statement a history lesson might be in order. Historicly in the past the ones that couldn't read were poor. Education was for those that could afford to send their children to school instead of helping on the farm. Though from what I gather from some sources, the illiteracy rate is on the rise, though I can't speculate as to why. (I'm sure by the end of the day someone will tell me. haha)

Paying off Dept.

Totally understand your stance. I love to spend money, maybe that is why I have two jobs. No one's fault but my own. Not saying some are not having problems making ends meet even if they aren't 'big spenders'.

Endangered Bees,

Kind of perspective I guess. If Bees are endangered then those that distroyed the hive should be prosecuted. Though I am not aware of any declaration that Bees were on the endangered species list. I could very well be wrong here.

Racing Tragedy,

I understand that the loss at the Kentucky Derby was sad, shocking, and expensive (owner is out possible Millions on future races and breeding). But, I don't think it's because the horses were being raced. Horse Racing has been around for thousands of years and I don't think you can get a single real horse lover to say it is cruel. Heck a friend of mine and her husband race thier horses against each other almost everytime they ride. They tell me it's fun.

CPR Training,

Being trained and being able to use in emergency might be two different things.

Sex Education,

Not sure of your point. Are you saying this is the reason for the recent headlines involving residence of Texas?

Country Living,

Being a City boy, I don't quite get the lure of Country living. But, someone knowingly sold the property to developers not farmers. Once the property is sold and rezoned not much that whinning will do about it. Maybe you should make sure you sell to another 'country' person when or if you decide to sell your property. Though, doesn't mean that person won't sell to a developer later.

Ok, did what I promised and commented on actual SpeakOut comments. Now on the the friendly chatter. j/k

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 9:42 AM

I have a question! How does the police determine if a person gets arrested or a summons? I read the police reports and most get arrested but on 4-8-08 the female was given a summons. DWI, leaving the scene of an accident and following to closely. No one mentioned she locked herself in her house and wouldn't come out, the police had to threaten to kick her door down. I guess when she goes to court this Thursday she will walk away from that also...........

-- Posted by justmyopin on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 9:43 AM

Babe

Thank you for that link from yesterday. I had forgotten that some of the ones on the list had put on the Uniform before making the move to politics. I sit corrected. lol The rest of the listings were interesting as well.

Oh, and the 'inspecting of the troops' thing could just be a matter of perspective. You find it odd, others might have not. I personally find some of the things that all outgoing Presidents do is odd. Last minute pardons really bug me, reguardless of party. Just seems wrong to do it last minute. And for the most part they all do it.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 9:52 AM

...stopping urban growth is like

stopping dripping water after a rain

storm ...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 10:36 AM

This is a little off topic but not really

MONTY KEESEE NEEDS TO SHUT UP!!!!! His letter to the editor is out of line and he is just trying to gain attention to himself yet again. That ethanol crap is what help Rob Henderson not get re elected and I have an answer for your question about what you would have done if there were three ethanol plants.....They would tell you to leave again!! DUH!!! Idiot come on ******* the dead horse issue already Ethenex filed for bankruptcy and the other two proposed plants are having permit issues right now. If this topic was so "close to home" for you you should know that already dip$h!t!!! Get over yourself already!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 10:50 AM

re: racing tradegy

It looks like we have a full fleged, bono fide, hard core PETA member here. And the sad fact is that they WILL probably get horse racing banned. After all, they did get a hundreds year old tradition of fox hunting banned in England.

But right now they're targeting rodeos. If you don't catch on to these folks agendas and resist it, the Sikeston Rodeo may soon be just a memory.

-- Posted by Conservababy on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 10:50 AM

Conserva.... Do you know how the "fox hunting" scenario worked? If you did, you would realize there was nothing sporting about it, nothing safe, nothing worth saving. I really don't think the two are comparable.

-- Posted by Theorist on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 11:01 AM

rodeos are cool...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 11:07 AM

Alright, I give up. Where is the Cal Thomas column in the paper?

-- Posted by Conservababy on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 11:11 AM

Pups

There is a difference between a president pardons in the final hours of his term and inspection of the troops AFTER another CIC had been sworn in. Bill Clinton was just being cheeky. He and Hillary had no sense of class and still don't.

There has been a serious disease that is wiping out many bee hives thus the reference to the shortage.

-- Posted by Conservababy on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 11:26 AM

Rodeos like anything else is all a matter of perspective. Have been to alot of rodeos both large and small. Most of the large ones have the money/resourses to pull in the best people and livestock. Their (large rodeos) ability to maintain, house, and care for livestock is top notch. Unfortunately I have attended and been behind the scenes of smaller struggling rodeos that don't have that ability. The treatment of the animals and the care they received was questionable. Each rodeo should be judged on its self rather then 'rodeo' as a whole.

With that said, I will admit to enjoy watching bull riding, bronc riding and barrel races. When the animals are healthy and well cared for, they are absolutely awesome to look at and watch compete.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 11:29 AM

Pups

Do you also enjoy calf roping?

-- Posted by Conservababy on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 11:31 AM

Babe,

Couldn't find the Cal Thomas post/article either. Maybe it was a statement within a story or article??

Sorry, didn't mean for it to sound like I was compairing inspecting the troops and last minute pardons. I personally don't remember the inspection as much as the pardons. They (POTUS) have the right and/or ability to pardon anyone they choose, I just don't particularly like it. Granted, if I or a family memeber was being pardoned I might feel differently. Perspective again I guess.

Oh and side note, your contempt for any and all things Clinton is well known. But it's been almost 8 years eventually you have to let it go. Oh wait, Hillary might be the next POTUS. LOL just razzing you Babe all in good fun.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 11:41 AM

I don't care for any "sports" that cause injury or death to innocent animals. I have to wonder about the people who really enjoy them.

-- Posted by ArcticFox on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 11:41 AM

Babe,

Calf roping has not been one of the ones that I enjoy. Maybe it's the idea of chasing a scared little animal around a pin, but just my opinion.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 11:45 AM

Buckmaster77

The first thing Mr Keesee needs to shut up about is it was never the amonium nitrate that was causing the issue down at the port friday........It was pyrite that is actually self combusting ( we didnt know that ) that was putting off the smoke and causing all the hubbub. The amonium nitrate was stored in the same warehouse however it is not combustable and the ONLY way it would have blown up anything was if fuel was added to it OR it was made into a different form than what we have stored. The ethanol plants will in no way affect anything that is down there to make it dangerous.. The grain storage there is actually more flamable and dangerous as grain dust is highly combustable.

Now as far as rodeos go we go to The Jaycee rodeo every year it is a lot of fun and great entertainment and how it is harming nimals I would like to know. And as unfortunate as the accident at the derby the horse could have shattered its leg while running in the field. If you have ever been up close to them their legs are small that is a lot of weight to hold on spindly legs, racing didnt cause it it just happens.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 11:50 AM

ArcticFox,

No offense, but I could say the same about those that watch NASCAR, WWF, Ulitmate Fighter, Boxing, and a list of countless others. Matter of opinion as to what one thinks of those that enjoy different things.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 11:52 AM

Paying off debts: I do feel sympathy for those young couples just starting out. Sometimes getting started is a tough row to hoe. Sometimes friends presure you into buying a ring that costs 3 months wages and other stuff that puts you farther into a bind. It is best to elope.

I have less sympathy for those, despite all warnings, that have been around long enough to know better. They follow the advice of politicians, which is always wrong, spend more and you help the economy. Spend yourself rich, is their creed. Why not try to live within your means?

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 12:01 PM

semoangel you're right I wasn't really paying attention to that much of it but he is just a drone!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 12:06 PM

When it comes to spending my parents always told us to never count on more than one income and to base everything on that. When got married my hubby and I made good money yet still we lived off his income and his alone, then if we wanted something we had the money in the bank to pay for it instead of credit cards. When yo make 3 or 4 k a month and go out and buy a 300k house and 40k cars flat screen tvs etc then eventually it will allcatch up with you. Sure the payment might look ok but then when you throw in taxes, fuel, utilities, food and everything else that 1300 mortgage gets tough.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 12:09 PM

Pupslover,

Thanks for actually addressing Speak Out topics; nothing wrong with going off topic, but I do like to see those issues addressed from time to time.

-- Posted by D'oh on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 12:10 PM

Buckmaster

well that he is but at the same time the media really blew it all up friday and came up with some off the wall things to say. At one point scott county had even said a plane crashed into the fertilizer bins and that was what caused it. He just doesnt want the ethanol there and is using all of that as an excuse.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 12:11 PM

Semoangel,

You are correct about these horses.I blame the breeders!These horses are being bred to be huge

bodied and long thin legs for running!Frankly,

I think its time to look at these breeders and their

practices.Needless to say,anything can happen to a horse when its running if its body is too large for its legs.This was a very sad event and it will happen

again if these breeding practices are not stopped.

As for the bees in Jackson soccer park!Shame on anyone who would destroy swarm of honeybees!These bees are

absolutely one of the most important insects known to Mankind.Without them we would all be hungry.Farmers depend upon them for pollination and plant species do as well.Honeybees are in decline in this country due to some form of disease.Bees are too important to our well being to destroy!!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 12:17 PM

True he has fought that tooth and nail and I was there at one city council meeting when the Mayor flat out told him to shut up and don't come back with the issue because it was out of the city's hands LOL that was funny but at any rate the media did blow it out of proportion and I live not that far from there but didn't even hear about it until the noon news so apparently it wasn't all that bad but it "could have been" as they put it

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 12:19 PM

KJT,

Thanks, I was fulfilling a promise I made yesterday. lol

I know that idealy the SpeakOut posts should be about the SpeakOut comments, but sometimes, as with all discussions. A point made about subject 'A' can lead to subjects 'B,C, and Z'.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 12:23 PM

Buckmaster

was there at 6:20 that morning as soon as got the call and we got clothes on and out the door. It could have been worse not denying that but the main thing was the mess and some dead pigeons. Why the moron went to the city council meeting I have no clue because that is all out of the city limits.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 12:24 PM

Pups

sometimes speakout is just dull so we have to make our own topics to get it going.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 12:27 PM

Like I said I didn't know anything about it so its nice to know now! He had been going to city council meetings everyone for about 3 months and trying to get them to stop the plants but as you said its way out of city jurisdiction and was finally told that after bad mouthing Mayor Porch granted all of this was last year but still he finds every little problem on Nash Road and says what if those plants were there then what would we do... Dude you can what if til the cows come home but the bottom line is it didn't they arent there and they aren't gonna be there for at least a while so shut up already Ok I put the soap box up for a little while

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 12:28 PM

I'm been reading these comments for a while now and have really enjoyed the opinions. I just wanna say that it has become almost a daily occurrence for me to read people whining about others complaining the high price of gas. I challenge anyone to look at your budget and not to find at least one thing they could cut out. Whether it be cigs, wine, cable TV, or just buying the name-brand cereal because you think it tastes better. We ALL have our "vices". It's pretty hard to make though a work week without having one thing that is truly just yours. With all that being said, I complain about gas prices everytime they go up (so alot) not because I couldn't cut a few things out of my budget to make ends meet, but because oil companies keep posting record profits. Chevron's lastest profit report was the second-highest in the companies 129 year history ($5.17 billion). There is something grossly wrong about that. While most of the country stuggles, they buy golden toilet seats. So, yes I will continue to complain and smoke all in the same breath.

On a different note. I see rodeos all the bull's chance to get back at us. I'm sure it's not as great of a life as being a wild bull roaming and pooping where you please, but they get the chance truly stick it to us once in a while. I rootin'for the bull!!!!

-- Posted by Producer1 on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 12:28 PM

The Monty thing is a letter to the editor and I can't comment there sorry guys :(

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 12:29 PM

Pupslover,

I agree and sometimes if you didn't go off topic, there really wouldn't be much to talk about due to the nature of the Speak Out section on any given day.

-- Posted by D'oh on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 12:32 PM

I complain about the price of gas and probably always will and I have cut back on things just because the dent the higher gas prices are making in our budget. I seriously do not see how people that work for 7 or 8 an hour can make it paying these prices along with everything else but it isnt going to change so might as well suck it up and keep going.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 12:35 PM

One more quick post before getting my day started.

Buckmaster:

No worries, actually your comments got me to read the letter to the editor. Hope you are doing well.

Talk to you all later, never know when or who could be lurking in the SpeakOut.... lmao. Have a great day everyone.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 12:38 PM

I think now is the time to buy a newer vehicle. I am leaning toward an SUV.

-- Posted by Conservababy on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 1:37 PM

My plan for the oil crisis. Rather than trying to reduce our dependency on oil, lets all make a concerted effort to use it all up within a week or so, there by forcing us to find new ways to power our country.

Im going to buy a bulldozer, which I will drive to work every day and run my generator 24/7 and maybe I'll leave my lawnmower running too.

-- Posted by Producer1 on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 1:45 PM

conservababy

all joking aside some suv's actually do not do so bad on the mileage. It doesn't matter what you drive though it will kill you to go to the pumps and fill up.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 1:48 PM

Semo

First off I like rodeos. I think most people complain about the calf roping event. And last year at the Sikeston rodeo the second night I was there a calf actually broke his neck during that event. So sometimes even though they try animals do get hurt.

-- Posted by outnabout on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 1:54 PM

I'm serious about buying a SUV and hope it is a real gas guzzler. The more it guzzles, the less price I will have to pay for it, right now. I have driven a Ford minivan for over twenty years but now need a newer vehicle that has options for elevating the seats and a drop down step. Since I don't 'have' to be anywhere I'm not worried about gas prices. I want a bargain. In any market...what's one man's trash is another man's treasure. LOL

-- Posted by Conservababy on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 2:16 PM

outnabout

yes we were at the rodeo when that accident happened. Sure it wouldnt have happened if not for the event but accidents happen all the time in life. What I was getting at is they are not intentionally causing harm to the animals. They are doing it to provide fun entertainment and maybe win a few bucks. My neice rides in 4-H rodeos and does barrels. Two years ago they had to put her horse down after a bad turn and it broke the leg, it wasn't from being mistreated it was an accident and noone was hurt more than what she was.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 3:07 PM

Conservababy

I drive an SUV and although it costs me more in gas than a small compact would I will not trade it for anything and it gets no worse mileage than our minivan did but it does have more room for hauling the kids equipment for ball and everything else. Maybe I am nuts I will cut corners in some areas but this is one I will not.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 3:09 PM

Greywolf

"You are correct about these horses.I blame the breeders!These horses are being bred to be huge

bodied and long thin legs for running!Frankly,

I think its time to look at these breeders and their

practices.Needless to say,anything can happen to a horse when its running if its body is too large for its legs.This was a very sad event and it will happen

again if these breeding practices are not stopped."

No, that's just the way God made them. You can look at pics of horses from decades ago and see the same big bodies and skinny legs.

-- Posted by Conservababy on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 3:11 PM

Greywolf

Conservababy is right. Thoroughbred are used for racing because their makeup is more towards the big body and long thin legs. They stand higher than most horses that are used for everyday riding and sporting events. The breeders are not to blame for how the horse is the only blame on them is if the horse has a thicker build it is not used for racing. That is just the breed of horse and it has nothing to do with how it was bred. Arabians, quarter horses are better but they still have small legs for the body, you hear of less injury with them though because their legs are not as long and the horse isnt as tall as the race horses.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 3:15 PM

The Buzz...

Most everyone is, or should be aware that we are experiencing a significant decline, in our bee, population. A real potential for endangerment exists. It's not just a problem of bees. Our food supply is at stake. If we wait until the bees are endangered, we'll see a REALLY, significant decline, in groceries.

It was a pretty ignorant move, to just, kill those bees. A bee keeper should have been contacted.

(Unless, of course, they were killer bees, in which case, the little pollen suckers deserved whatever they got!)

Racing Tragedy,

Horse run... they LIVE to run... It is their way.

Horse racing is not the problem. Incorrect breeding is the problem, but that can be remedied....

Horse racing, like Nascar.... sometimes they are, "to die for!"

Country Living,

I gotta say.... The yuppies who move into big, fancy houses, in the country, aren't nearly so bad, as when a low-life, seedy, sack of manure, gets a lucrative, deal and starts developing a whole, buttload of ugly, lower income, government subsidised, crackerboxes.

-- Posted by Semoan on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 3:15 PM

semoangel

Well, drat, I can see I won't get a bargain from you. LOL What I need is to buy from car dealers surplus inventory that is not selling or from an individual who wants to get rid of their gas guzzler.

-- Posted by Conservababy on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 3:19 PM

conservababy

My parents just bought a new SUV and they went to the FORD place and got theirs. The focus now is more on all the economy models and you can get a great deal on the lease vehichles and then they are offering rebates on the new ones that are nice. With any of the dealers in the area they cant move the "gas guzzlers" so they are cutting prices to move them.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 3:26 PM

semoangel

giggle...that's what I'm counting on.

-- Posted by Conservababy on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 3:29 PM

Racing Tragedy,

Horse run... they LIVE to run... It is their way.

What...how could you say something like that. Did the first thouroughbred walk up and asked to be mounted and raced. Did one personally tell you that even in their off time they like to have races. Just because they are fast does not mean "it is their way". Pitbulls were not made to fight and kill each other, humans are to blame for that

-- Posted by Producer1 on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 3:44 PM

Baby,angel,

Your both wrong!What I said is true.It does not take a rocket scientist to understand that filly was bred too huge for its legs.Fillys don't get that big

without some intervention.Read some of the story here

and perhaps you will then agree with me.Breeding of these horses is indeed an issue!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 4:13 PM

Endangered Bees

It should be considered almost criminal for honey bees to have been destroyed. Whoever was responsible should be severely reprimanded. If the concern was for children possibly being stung, the activities in the Park should have been suspended until the bees either moved on, or were moved by an expert. What a stupid, thoughtless thing to have done.

Pups

...I'm with you on the presidential pardons. That's at least one major "perk" that I believe should be made unlawful--whether it's last minute or otherwise. No one person should be given the power to determine pardons, especially our elected politicians who might--and often do--reap some benefits from that process.

...With apologies because I truly value your respect and graciousness, but...the Clintons do inspire in my basic sense of values a lot of contempt, too--in case you hadn't noticed? LOL

C-baby

...I gave looking for columnists' articles in the Missourian a couple of weeks ago. The way the paper is set up on-line now is...uh...cumbersome. Or maybe it's just me being impatient and wanting instant gratification? LOL

...And--even many liberals and Clinton-lovers were embarrassed over the Clinton's antics just before and just after leaving office--Oops, and during their terms in office. Does all-around "disrespect" ring a bell?

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 4:15 PM

Hi Producer!

Welcome to the boards. glad you've joined in!

*****************

"What...how could you say something like that. Did the first thouroughbred walk up and asked to be mounted and raced. Did one personally tell you that even in their off time they like to have races. Just because they are fast does not mean "it is their way". Pitbulls were not made to fight and kill each other, humans are to blame for that"

-- Posted by Producer

*********************

Producer, horses do love to run and no, "LOL," I didn't have to ask one. Some horses, like Barbaro, are so intent, so focused, when they run, they can hurt themselves and not even, realize it, until after the race.

Horses not only, love to run, but they run, to live.

They are flight, animals.

You haven't been around horses much, have you?

When two horses are side by side (especially, on a crisp day) and one horse gets just, a little ahead of the other, the race is on!

Pitbulls were bred for the specific purpose of fighting other dogs. Fighting is instinctual.... some, more than others, but most, will have a need to show their dominance, by fighting, whenever there is another dog, present.

-- Posted by Semoan on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 4:17 PM

Gotta chime in on this one. The majority of injuries in racing are due to lack of maturity in the horse's bone structure. When we start riding our horses they are around 3 to 4 years old. Not started as 2 year olds and broken down by 3 or 4 as most of the racers are. Perhaps if they would change the age requirement to begin racing, a lot of the injuries would cease to happen.

-- Posted by all_i_hear_is_blah_blah on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 4:23 PM

I grew up with horses and rodeo - and love it, but I cannot stand to watch calf roping. When I go to Sikeston or another one, I will walk around when calf roping is on -- will not watch it.

When my nephew was very young - 2 if I remember correctly (it was several years ago), my sister brought him home to MO to watch his first rodeo in Sikeston. I was standing with them when calf roping started. My nephew - even at his young age and not able to comprehend a lot of things - began crying when he saw what happened. I took him from my sister and we went away for a while until it was over. She didn't mean to upset him - she just never thought he would understand what was going on.

I don't necessarily think horse racing should be banned - I would like to see the whips removed and the breeding investigated. I haven't watched a horse race since Barbaro, and am thankful I did not watch the Derby last weekend.

I also do not like the circus. I don't know if the animals in it are treated well or not, but many years ago I watched one and it just gave me the creeps - haven't been to one since.

I know not everyone is like me, but I am so soft hearted where animals are concerned -- can't even watch animal shows on TV (even animated) if something sad will happen -- I'll cry every time. I am 40, and for my entire life, our dogs and horses were - and continue to be family - especially now with me being 40 and "human-childless", so I can't stand to see one hurting.

-- Posted by MCK on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 4:30 PM

Thank you very much for the welcome.

Producer, horses do love to run and no, "LOL," I didn't have to ask one. Some horses, like Barbaro, are so intent, so focused, when they run, they can hurt themselves and not even, realize it, until after the race.

Horses not only, love to run, but they run, to live.

They are flight, animals.

You haven't been around horses much, have you?

I actually have been around horses since I was 13. I was raised in Oak Ridge and have done many a western reenactment on our quarter horses. Horses are flight animals...exactly my point, they run when they feel they are in danger. So when the dominant one runs the others follow suit because they assume he must have seen something they did not. Wild horse rarely run 'all out' for the sake of running it's an expenditure of energy that simply isn't necessary. Grass doesn't move that fast. I have yet to see them "race" completely unprovoked I have seen them play and run many a time. But that certainly doesn't mean it doesn't happen. As far as some horses being so intent on winning they will hurt themselves, I'm not convinced that isn't just attributed to wanting to do well for their master. I doubt Barbaro knew he won a race, he knew he was praised he knew he was being petted and he knew he was getting more treats (what ever the case may be) he wasn't doing that for his own self worth. My point being whether it's pitbulls or horses humans are taking what these animals do naturally and pushing it to the extreme for their own gain. Unfortunately at the expense of the animals health.

-- Posted by Producer1 on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 4:38 PM

all_i_hear,

I agree with you, regarding the age requirements for these horses. I think they are racing them, much too young. However, I feel that the breeding is also, a part of the problem. These horses are being bred for more height and bigger bodies.

Thoroughbred jumpers, are bred with thicker hooves and legs, because they don't need the speed, but the strength and surefootedness?

So, yeah, I'd have to say that breeding practices are a big part, if not the crux of the problem.

-- Posted by Semoan on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 4:46 PM

Producer,

"pushing it to the extreme for their own gain. Unfortunately at the expense of the animals health."

With that much, I certainly, agree!

-- Posted by Semoan on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 4:51 PM

Who Me?,

LOL No offense to NASCAR fans, just not for me. Though some of the parties I've gone to thrown for a NASCAR race have been fun. But kind of like the Superbowl, I'm there for the food. LOL

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 7:39 PM

Who Me?,

Actually today I caught a glimps of the 700 club. I know, shocking isn't it. Anyway, Pat was saying that the Gov. needed to do something to stop the forclosures of all these homes. I was under the impression that he was a staunch Republican??

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 7:44 PM

Hey Stupid

How does someone not believing in government run health care make them a "bigot"? I do not understand your rational for the tag.

-- Posted by Donnie on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 9:10 PM

Just a quick little survey....

How many of you folks who are advocating UHC work out for at least 30 minutes, 3 times or more each week? (120 HR minimum for 20 + minutes)

How many of you smoke? Willing to give it up?

PS Don't give me the cr*p about "I am not able to do it", etc. If you can't stand on a treadmill, ride a stationary bike...there is always a way to do it.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 11:45 PM

I guess this about sums it up why some folks want UHC....

"In the long term it will be cheaper for me to pay the extra tax than the huge monthly insurance payment."

-- Posted by Conservababy on Wed, May 7, 2008, at 1:29 AM

Jerry, if we are to become a "nanny" state, the health of everyone is going to become all of our "business".

If we had universal car care and paid for everyone's vehicles, maintenance and fuel, the way you drive and care for that vehicle now becomes everyones' business.

Same issue with health care. I don't want to pay for someone else's cardiac surgery because they have refused to take care of themselves. Smokers? It is pretty obvious my concern there.

I could go on and on....

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Wed, May 7, 2008, at 8:17 AM

I think the commish thing is a **** embarrassment. The rift between Jones and Purcell is ridiculous. They both sound like 4th grade kids arguing on the playground.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Wed, May 7, 2008, at 8:19 AM

"I've fluctuated about 25 pounds either way. It doesn't matter if I work an 80 hour week, or a 20 hour week. It's just one of those things."

Number of hours worked does not equal a physical workout consisting of getting your HR up to 120+ BPM for at least twenty minutes. Take for example last night during my workout. I did 25 minutes on a stationary bike completing 6.85 miles with an average HR of 144. Then I jumped on the elliptical and did an additional 20 minutes, 1.7 miles with an average HR of 148. I bust my *** to maintain a certain level of fitness but watch others overeat, smoke and become fat dumb and happy. It pis*ses me off and will be even more of a concern of mine IF we have UHC.

You will NEVER get in shape by working longer hours.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Wed, May 7, 2008, at 8:24 AM

If anyone thinks that there won't be a "penalty" for failing to "lead a healthy lifestyle" with a UHC,it is already happening in the "private" sector. I get a rate "reduction" if I enroll in a "healthy lifestyle program" and coordinate with a doctor, dietitian and "coach". Since I feel my own actions are none of anyone's business I pay significantly more money than if I kept a log of my activities and proved them to my health insurer. I am sure that the fact that my plan is through government retirement is only coincidental.

-- Posted by D'oh on Wed, May 7, 2008, at 10:16 AM

Do you ride a motorcycle Instructor? Maybe motorcycles should be banned. There are usually huge medical bills involved after a motorcycle wreck. We all pay for those costs too. ( Just kidding. As a Libertarian I believe in doing pretty much what you want as long as you don't directly hurt anyone and children aren't envolved.)

We have become a nanny state. Even so called conservatives want to regulate and ban things from people. Why doesn't everyone just follow the Golden Rule. The politician police state fascist folks eyes light up when the people beg for more regulations from them.

It is always the same old story. Problem-reaction-solution. The government creates a real or imagined problem; the people react and beg for relief from that real or imagined problem; then the govenrment steps in with a ready made solution that they wanted in the first place. Of course their solutions always cost us more money in taxes and cost us more of our freedom.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Wed, May 7, 2008, at 10:30 AM

Obviously I ride a motorcycle (and I am not a fair weather rider either). The difference is responsibility. I carry insurance on the bike and excellent health insurance on myself. I don't expect anyone else to pay for it. My responsibility and I pay it.

Jerry summed it up very well with this statement:

"You understand that concept don't you? In the long term it will be cheaper for me to pay the extra tax than the huge monthly insurance payment. I'm sick of getting reamed for over-priced meds, and boosted insurance costs. With UHC the buck stops for some, and starts for others. As you would say, "Tooo bad!" Right?"

In other words, he wants someone else to be responsible for him. Sorry, I don't play along with that game.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Wed, May 7, 2008, at 10:56 AM

I'm NOT for UHC either. I think the government should leave us the heck alone. You didn't pay any attention to my main argument of the Hegelian Dialectic. (Problem-Reaction-Solution)http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/05/dia...

The Republicrats and the Demacons work together to create problems for the people ie. the "need" for universal health care. The parties blame each other(problem) and the people choose sides(reaction). All the while both parties are creating a "solution/compromise" that benifits the communist/fascist state ( big pharma, big medical, big business,big bankers and most of all big government). The people end up losing more money and more freedom.

Then the politicians go back on T.V.,blame each other, and declare that they looked out after us, until the next crisis they create comes along. This same game has been played for centuries all over the world because it works.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Wed, May 7, 2008, at 11:42 AM


Respond to this story

Posting a comment requires free registration. If you already have an account on seMissourian.com or semoball.com, enter your username and password below. Otherwise, click here to register.

Username:

Password:  (Forgot your password?)

Your comments:
Please be respectful of others and try to stay on topic.