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Thursday, May 1, 2008

Watered down

ETHANOL MAY be the cause of recent reports of bad gasoline. Why? Because all underground service-station tanks contain small amounts of water. This level increases when gasoline containing ethanol is added to these tanks. Some ethanol migrates to the water level, resulting in an increased ethanol-water content that is not combustible in car engines. Unless this increased level is properly monitored and handled, the result is more reports of bad gas. This is another case of unintended consequences caused by hastily mandating the use of ethanol in gasoline.

Ethanol boondoggle

ONCE AGAIN columnist Mona Charen misses her mark. The biofuel ethanol has not been promoted by environmentalists or those urging climate protection, most of whom have long argued that it is a boondoggle that will not address the problem of climate change and has a wealth of other problems. Rather, her target should be agribusiness, the distillers such as Archer-Daniels-Midland, the mistaken Corn Growers Association and the Farm Bureau. These are the groups that have promoted corn ethanol at the expense of real solutions.

Building on farmland

SOME PEOPLE are all worried about rising food prices. If you really care about food, you need to stop building new subdivisions on farmland around the world. Most of the cities in the U.S. are built on good farmland near a river or a coast. All of these cities are expanding into surrounding farmland, which means less food can be grown. Does anyone care?

Mold problem

MY THREE roommates and I have been living in a rental property for five months with mold growing in the chronically moist basement. Our landlord has failed to fix the problem. I have tried to get some help by contacting the health department and also Cape Girardeau's inspection services. Both agencies claim no jurisdiction over the mold problem. Because my roommates and I are college students, I am sure the property management company and our landlord don't take us or our mold seriously, but perhaps if the city could figure out whose responsibility it is to assess the problem and even assist us, we wouldn't be writing yet another check for $1,200.

Pardon in order

IF JOSHUA Kezer's innocence is unable to be established because of bureaucratic bungling, Gov. Matt Blunt must issue him a pardon.

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-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 7:24 AM

Hah! That's a good one! I can almost see it.

-- Posted by RocketSurgeon on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 7:56 AM

I like Live, Local and Leg breaking BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mona Charon has never gotten anything right, cant see why anyone would publish her, except for the Rust papers...........

E85 is a BUST, my son just tried it in 3 tank fulls, 11,12,12 mpg in a Ford F150,,,,,,back now to unleaded..............what a farce on the American people and the world.

-- Posted by changedname on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 8:10 AM

E85 is a few cents cheaper a gallon than unleaded however you will use more and your mileage will be far below what it is with the unleaded so in the end you are spending more than you would have if you just went ahead and filled up with unleaded in the first place. I have a CRV 25 mpg with unleaded barely 20 with the E85 blend so sorry I will stick to the unleaded.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 8:46 AM

ha , gasoline made out of corn squeezings .

sounds like cheap beer to me , hot water

poured over corn .

IMO , electric is a better answer then

corn squeezings...

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 9:02 AM

It's a waste of good mash, I tell `ya!

-- Posted by RocketSurgeon on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 9:07 AM

"Mold problem"

Seems as if all else has failed for this caller.

Me thinks its time the three of you take control

of this situation and start cleaning that basement

yourselves if you feel your health is in danger!

I would also purchase a dehumidifier and place it

down there as well.This ofcourse will take the moisture

out and prevent mold from growing.In short,take some time away from you busy schedules and get to cleaning

things up!Do not expect others to do it for you.

Common sense is something that isn't taught in College!

But it can be obtained with logical thought.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 9:32 AM

E85 has approximately 80% of the energy level that regular fuel has, hence the reason for the decreased mileage. Yes, it is a farce.

As far as the caller concerned about water in the fuel, all commercial fuel stations, from the fuel racks (tank farms) to retail delivery, the fuel is run through filter separators during transfers. In other words, water is not a problem. If you buy from a reputable retail fuel station, you will very rarely have a problem with quality.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 9:53 AM

What did I say last year? Don't remember (Sometimes I forget too) but I know that I said ethanol was cr*p. A lotta. A buncha. A whole mess of, CR*P! It don't work on so many different levels. I was blasted by some of you agro nuts saying that helps the farmers of Missouri. One year later and one dollar extra for everything you purchase at the store. Yes, the Missouri Farmers are being helped.

I do say though, good for them. The bark humping hippies pushed this junk on us and we were forced to suck it down, now they are calling the American Agro Tycoon the new age Oil Baron. Good for them. Bad for poor nations who should've been farming on their own instead of taking handouts all these years.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 9:58 AM


The second-to-last sentence in your earlier post, "Common sense is something that isn't taught in College!", is spot on. It is hereby declared the operative thought of the day! That's an in-there!!!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 10:06 AM

Ethanol boondoggle,

Yeah, but I didn't hear anyone from the screaming crowd suggest drilling on our own land when the noose was tightened arounf Big Oil's neck. Look at where we are now.

Shop at Aldi for your canned goods. Sams for meat. Saves a little. Schnucks adds another .75 to everything just to be there.

Record profits? Look at the record prices and check the margins. I will bet they are the same. If the costs are up to purchase said item (doubled) then sales will have to be doubled to compensate the new costs. Doubled, doubled toil and troubled. Fire burn and caldren doubled.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 10:07 AM

Electric or hydrogen is the answer to the future. That way we can give the corn back to the cows at a nice cheap fare so beef will go down.

It seems we have a strange confluence of circumstances that have affected the national economy. I would say we are in for an interesting ride over the next two years.

-- Posted by SWBG on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 11:09 AM

I've had issues with another local landlord and black mold growing around a trailer I lived in for about 2 weeks. Even though I took tons of pictures of the black mold growing around the trailer and started a case with the better business bureau. This a**hole landlord denied that there was mold growing and told the bbb that he was suing me and they dropped the case. I just wanted my 450 dollar security deposit back.

I suggest going to lowes and getting a couple of mold test kits so that you have 100% proof that there's mold growing in the house. Take alot of pictures and make sure they're dated properly also. Tell the landlord that you want the mold cleaned up or else you and your roommates are going to move due to the house being a health hazard. Make sure you document every phone conversation, face to face conversation, etc, about this issue. Also send a certified letter to the property management requesting that this mold growth be addressed. Take lots of pictures. If they still refuse to clean up the mold, take them to small claims court. You may find a lawyer to consult with just to be sure I'm right about all of this. Mold growth is a major health issue especially in living space.

As a renter, it is NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to purchase a dehumidifier or have any financial involvement in repairs on this apartment or house or whatever. This is why you're paying $1200/month for this rental property. It is 100% the landlords responsibility to keep the property in a livable condition.

Look over your lease and see what it says about repairs. Request several times nicely that the repairs be made, once a week for a month or so. If they don't make any effort to have the mold cleaned up, move and take them to court for your security deposits!

Goto the doctor and get them to write a letter stating that you have been having health issues related to mold growth.

You and your roommates should be able to come out ahead on this issue. Good luck, keep us posted!

-- Posted by BananaEater on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 11:10 AM

If the landlord hasn't taken care of the mold issue by now, the students are going to have to find an attorney with experience in tenant law. There may be action they can take (such as withholding rent), but I doubt that would end well without the help of a competent attorney. And no, the Speak Out forum's crack team of armchair lawyers does not count.

-- Posted by yermej on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 11:17 AM

Watered down,

A friend got a bad tank of gas that was, according to his mechanic, obviously watered down. This came from a large local retailer. In no way am I blaming the retailer but somewhere someone has cut some corners and is ripping people off. Go figure.

-- Posted by SWBG on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 11:18 AM


I disagree. One, perhaps the only, advantage to renting is that the landlord takes the expense and responsibility for maintanence of his property. If he won't, the students should just move instead of having to pay for mold removable. If they have a lease it can be broken. Never pay out of pocket for your landlord's expenses.

Landlords in this area have a peculiar notion that their tenants are responsible for ordinary wear and tear on their homes, also. If one lives in a home or apartment for about five years then it is probably going to need interior repainting. I've had one landlord tell me that they would buy the paint and I could do the painting. I declined, pointing out to him that it was his responsibility to do it himself or hire a professsional. He was flabbergasted and said he had never had anyone not to agree with this arrangement. He tried to retaliate when I moved out by keeping my deposit. I sued him in small claims court and won. LOL

-- Posted by Conservababy on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 11:21 AM


I was one who was hopeful about E-85 and the whole ethanol bandwagon thing. Even had thoughts of getting a vehicle that would run on it. I agree with you that it appears to have been a big farce. I do not know what E-85 is going for today. I remember someone saying it would lag about $.50 lower that gas. If that is true there is no way it would be efficient. If gas were at $4.00/gallon and E-85 at $2.75/gallon then it would be worth it. (Just throwing numbers out there I did not do any math to come up with those costs).

-- Posted by SWBG on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 11:24 AM


Come on girl,all basements are damp without proper dehumidification!I will not agree with any of your

remarks on this issue.Four renters could do some serious cleaning in a short amount of time and a very small sum of money!And please,don't give that same O same O about college kids not having money!!They sure seem to have plenty late nights downtown and accross

the river.Frankly Melange I wonder if the only subject they teach in College anymore is "LAZYNESS 101".I realize thats a very negative comment but I also work with several college students as well as recent graduates and this is the conclusion I have reached.

Work ethics classes should be taught at the high school level and continue the first 2 years at college.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 11:24 AM



-- Posted by SWBG on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 11:24 AM

Also, a lesson I have learned from renting:

Before signing a lease on any rental property, walk through the property with a camera, a notepad, and the landlord and carefully document any potential problems. I have had part of my deposit kept because the landlord charged me for cleaning that wasn't done by previous tenants and removing items left by previous tenants. It's not my job to leave the property anymore clean than when I moved in (though I usually do) and I certainly shouldn't be charged for previous tenants' problems.

-- Posted by yermej on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 11:25 AM

regarding the students with mold , on the back of the

check you pay your rent with , make a note of the mold .

the landlord will have to see it when they cash the check as will the bank .

this will keep a record of how long the mold is an issue and could possibly

embarass the landlord into doing something about it .

i've tried this before and it worked....

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 11:29 AM


Why do we have to use CORN and nothing else as an option? Besides ethanol there are vehicles running on the road using recycled frying oil, for heavens sake.

-- Posted by Conservababy on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 11:30 AM

Let's see. What does the good ole SO column have today? Hmmm: Ethanol, more ethanol, urban sprawl, mold, and a pardon. Well, seems as though some drastic civil action may be in order here.

PSA: Attention, members of the Peoples' Democratic Mob! The SO column is hereby cancelled due to lack of interest. Nevertheless, feel free to gather around the village propaganda pole and bloviate about any mundane topic you deem appropriate. There, that should do it!

Well, there it is. Anybody want to talk about battlefield ghosts?! Any kind of ghosts?? Gee, ghosts can be moldy too, can't they? And they've been known to sprawl around. Perhaps they should be pardoned too!! It's only fair.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 11:34 AM

LOL @ Conservababy...would the car smell like

frying bacon when it's running ??

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 11:34 AM


Why is it the students' responsibility to clean the mold and buy a dehumidifier? What are they paying rent for? Lord lurv a duck, I agree with Conservababe - landlords in this area expect far too much out of tenants regarding general maintenance. Where is the landlord's work ethic? Where is their sense of pride and personal responsibility? Maybe they need work ethic classes before being allowed to rent property?

As for work ethic, though schools should help reinforce that, it's one of many issues that should be taught by parents long before a student reaches high school and especially college. We definitely don't need parents abdicating even more of their responsibilities to the schools.

-- Posted by yermej on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 11:36 AM


Actually, it does. LOL

-- Posted by Conservababy on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 11:37 AM

Moldy apartment:

I wouldn't recommend cleaning up the mold yourselves. Here at work, several of us had been experiencing year round allergies and headaches, but never suspected mold to be the cause. One day, after reporting an AC leak from our supsended ceiling, the maintenance crew that came to check the leak called in the moldy smell and mold growing in the suspended ceiling to their supervisor. We hadn't realized we had mold growing above us. An expert was called in to analyze what was growing. It was an aspergyllus something(sp?). A type of mold that could have led to serious illness and even death if it made it to the lungs. A crew had to come in to clean our office & remove our suspended ceiling, all furniture was removed & carpets were covered. Air quality tests were then performed, still the parts per million were higher than recommended so the ductwork was tested, then cleaned. Now we are safely back in the office. We had to purchase air purifiers to clean the air due to this problem. With the filtered air, we are safe so far as we know. We now don't suffer year round allergies, just seasonals. We also don't have the headaches we were all having before. Please be careful and do not attempt cleaning yourself. Common sense may not pay off if you don't know the type of mold that is growing.

-- Posted by gofigure on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 11:38 AM

Rick_Scaggs, they usually smell like french fries. Seriously.

As for ethanol, it may be worth pursuing, but definitely not using corn as a source. There are other crops much better suited such as sugar cane and switchgrass. Corn based ethanol gives, at best, about 1.3 times the energy it costs to produce it. Compare that to sugar cane at 8 times and switchgrass at 5. There is even relatively successful research into using algae as an ethanol source. This could also end up being more efficient than corn.

-- Posted by yermej on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 11:45 AM

re: building on farmland

Not this cr*p again. One of my pet peeves is folks complaining of other housing developements while they themselves reside on what was once rural lands. It's all a matter of "I've got mine but I don't want you to have yours."

-- Posted by Conservababy on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 11:50 AM

i want a frying bacon car!!...lol

-- Posted by ..Rick on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 11:51 AM


I'll back your hopes of an E85 future. At the time, even I was researching a tech upgrade to my Dodge (like that Hydrgen Fuel Cell B.S. that I spotted on youtube). But I started listening to the reports that Flexfuel was 15% less productive than regular unleaded. My math skills are lacking, but if you run the numbers from using 3/4 gallon of petro to make, the costs of land, and cost increases in the food market, you will find that we have been sold a bill of goods that were tainted worse than that college kid's basement.


A college kid do manual labor when they feel it's NOT there responsiblity? Won't happen. I agree with the documentation. They need to back up what some of these Cape Slumlords don't do.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 11:55 AM


I havw said all that needs to be said on the subject of these college kids.I wonder why they even pay their rent if this has been an issue for several months.Like I said " if they are so darned concerned about their health then do something about it".If that equates to moving out without notice then I suggest they do.Like I said,no common sense!lets move on...

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 12:09 PM


We are in agreement that they need to take action and don't seem to have the common sense to do anything but call Speak Out (has that ever accomplished anything?).

However, in your previous posts your only suggestion was that they clean and buy a dehumidifier. I'm just saying that I feel that's the one option they should not choose because it allows the landlord to be complacent about their responsibilities and sets a bad precedent should any other issues arise. You seemed to be absolving the landlord of all responsibility, but now I see that's not the case. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

-- Posted by yermej on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 12:20 PM


when was the last time you worked with a college student?I realize there are some young folks out there with good work ethics but frankly melange there sure isn't many in these parts.Oh by the way,I worked my butt off during college and frankly I found it to be much easier then my part time job!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 12:25 PM


I should have mentioned what that part time job was.

I delivered bottled water(5 gal.glass back then)to high rise offices in the Chicago area.Yep,good pay,hard work and I showed up every day.I will say that my back did pay the price as I suffer some lower back pain.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 12:34 PM

...as if this country isn't fat enough, let's get everyone driving around in cars that smell like french fries and bacon and see what that does to our bellies!

-- Posted by dixietrucker on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 1:04 PM

I don't think Landlords are responsible for too much of anything. If anyone figures out how to make them responsible please let me know.

-- Posted by ArcticFox on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 1:13 PM

I've worked with college student. Suppervised interns. Worked with Ph.D's, MD's, BA's, BS's, MA's, GED's and whatever other alphabetic acronym you can come up with.

My experience suggests that you cannot make judgments based on the level of education. People are people. Education level does not indicate work ethic one way or another.

That being said I agree with Greywolf, "They do not teach common sense in college." Common sense has saved my butt and messed me up all at the same time.

-- Posted by SWBG on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 1:21 PM


Maybe the big hamburger chains and the oil fuel manufacturers could get together for their own mutual benefit.

-- Posted by Conservababy on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 1:23 PM


Maybe the big hamburger chains and the oil fuel manufacturers could get together for their own mutual benefit.

-- Posted by Conservababy on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 1:23 PM


"Maybe the big hamburger chains and the oil fuel manufacturers could get together for their own mutual benefit."

-- Posted by Conservababy


I understand that the recycled vegetable oil, works remarkably, well.... AND.... it is a good way for restaurants to get rid of their old oil. Otherwise, they have to pay Guido, BIG bucks, to come and haul it off.... (and who knows WHAT Guido does with it!)

-- Posted by Semoan on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 3:45 PM

The vegetable oil conversion kits only work on diesel engines.

Read more at www.greasecar.com

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 3:52 PM


So buy a deisel vehicle.

-- Posted by Conservababy on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 4:08 PM

Well, didn't the school board 'lose' 2.5 million dollars somewhere and somehow. Have they accounted for it yet?

-- Posted by Conservababy on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 4:11 PM

C-Babe, my brother has two diesel vehicles (Ford F250 and a VW Passat). He loves diesels and you are going to start seeing more diesel cars in the near future.

The Passat gets close to 40 MPG (and it isn't even a hybrid). They are also known to achieve very high mileages when compared to gas engines.

Me personally? I'll keep riding my bike that gets 50 MPG in the city and over 55 MPG on the highway. In addition, it does 0-60 in 3.4 seconds.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 4:23 PM

Babe & Me'Lange,

As I was told, by a pertinent source, "The money is there. There was nothing stolen, or misappropriated. The problem, was that the accounting manager, put the money in the wrong accounts.... had the finances, all screwed up and David Scalia must have known, but allowed the problem to continue.

It ultimately, ended up costing the School System, a lot of money, in earmark funding."

-- Posted by Semoan on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 5:05 PM


Why are people concerned about cities and

subdivisions taking over farmland? I just got a ACS letter that wanted about 6500 more acres put into wildlife preserves in Missouri. Presently, there are 121 acres, once farmed, on the north side of me put into a wildlife program and about 50 acres, once farmed, on the south side of my farm. It,s not subdivisions and cities taking over farmland but government programs.

-- Posted by James Nall

The government will, eventually, move everyone into cities, where we will live, stacked on top of each other and we must be cared for, by the government. The government will have control of all rural lands.

(Kind of like they do now, only no one will be allowed to live there.) As it is, no one can really, own land, they can only rent it, from the government.

-- Posted by Semoan on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 5:15 PM

No one ever seem to misappropriate funds into my account. My wife will misappropriate funds out of my account however. Maybe she should see about openings on the school administrative team.

-- Posted by SWBG on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 5:18 PM


I might laugh at your last statement, if I didn't feel so darn much, like crying :-(

Unfortunately, people go to college to learn HOW to misappropriate other people's money.

-- Posted by Semoan on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 5:27 PM


The advantage to the government programs is that the land could be quickly returned to crop production whereas land on which homes and parking lots have been constructed is lost forever. We voluntarily keep some land out of production for wildlife as do others in this area.

-- Posted by D'oh on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 5:29 PM


My source was also, a board member.

You are right about the $700,000.00.... Sorry... I got it confused with something else.

Your information is more up-to-date than mine! The last report I received, was that the board had not found anything missing, just, put into the wrong accounts.

Thanks for the correct info!

-- Posted by Semoan on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 5:37 PM

Ted Turner owns the most private acreage in the USA.

-- Posted by Conservababy on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 5:49 PM


Thanks for the added info. (Hey, it wouldn't be the first time, I got my information, all confused! I'm old and have CRS)and I agree with you,on that second audit!!!

I hope I can get away, to join you's on El Patio, man~ana!

-- Posted by Semoan on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 6:04 PM


Yes, some may be more difficult to reclaim, but some not so much. A lot of land around here has been planted in native warm season grasses such as Big Blue Stem, Little blue Stem, Indian Grass and Switch Grass. This could easily be bailed as is for hay or easily be turned into row crop production. Being old enough to remember turning timberland into crop land the areas that have been reforested or turned into wetland would be much more problematic. It can, however be done unlike reclaiming land on which structures have been built. In comparison to countries such as Japan that makes very good use of its rather limited arable land the US does not do a very good job.

I must admit I prefer living in sparsely populated areas and don't care much for cities, so my opinion probably isn't worth too much.

-- Posted by D'oh on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 6:22 PM


I live in the hills and the CRP actually cuts down on human activity as opposed to your situation. The goal here is to help control erosion. The similarity is that there is no one monitoring for compliance. For me, privacy, peace and quiet are the major attractions to living in the country and it seems as though you have lost that. I am sure were I in your situation, I would feel as you.

I am usually not a big fan of government involvement in most cases as I remember being told how much of certain crops we could plant and if we exceeded it, we had to plow it under.

-- Posted by D'oh on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 7:00 PM


i got kicked from wal-mart because im tired of all the hateful employees do you guys ever have a problem with them...do you feel that they dont deserve there jobs?

i called the corporate office and i told them if it was anyone else they would have slapped the crap out of them hateful people and they barred me for life now is that stupid?

why is it that a stealer is allowed back poseing a threat but i say one thing and im barred...stupid

-- Posted by THA.ORAN.BANDIT on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 7:10 PM

About being banned from walmart..... you are better off! Most of what they sell is crap, and they don't wnat to fix or replace anything. I also agree that most of the employees are hateful and lazy. I'm not saying all of them are this way, but more are than not. I bought a set of tires from them along with the lifetime balance and rotation. I took the car in to get the tires rotated and guess what they told me? My front tires are bad so they won't do it. I have only had the tires for a year and haven't put many miles on them. Their tires suck and so do their attitudes. I more or less got told "to bad".

-- Posted by did_I_say_that_out_loud? on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 8:20 PM

I stopped shopping at Wal-Mart several years ago and they aren't broke yet, imagine my surprise.

-- Posted by D'oh on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 8:53 PM

Someone does not have a good concept of landlord responsibilities and renter's rights....regardless of age or station in life.

No need to elaborate. It's been beaten to death all day.

Oran Bandit--

approach is 99% of the results you get. A "remorseful" thief will get more sympathy than someone "b!tching and or being hateful." I have no idea how you sounded---but as a customer service person (and someone who once worked a Walmart cash register)...I can guarantee you that approach is EVERYTHING.

-- Posted by Superbethie on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 8:57 PM

Building on farmland

You asked if anyone cares about the buying up of good farmland by developers. Well, some of us care, but there is little that we can do now that the greedsters are in power in our government.

The globalists plan is to off shore as many jobs as they can to cheap labor markets. Then, they will bring in deperate Hispanics to compete in the lower wage jobs with blacks, and, less income whites. Since that plan is going well, they are now bringing in Hispanics, primarily from Mexico, to take better paying mining, pipefitting, and construction jobs from middle income whites, blacks, and Americans of Hispanaic decent. Then, they will bring in more thousands more H1-B visas from Inida, Singapore, and the like to take IT jobs, and other better paying jobs from Americans.

Finally, they are bringing in foreign doctors and nurses, from Iran, The Philippines, Iraq, Mexico, India, and, Pakistan under a special program. They work a couple years at a moderate wage in the program, then, they are free to become specialists, move where they want and compete with American doctors, and nurses who usually have costly student and other loans to pay off. It drives the wages of doctors and nurses down.

One of my most hated scum bags, Alan Greenspan, has written and spoken many times about how they want to take the wage of a skilled worker, say a miner, carpenter, heating and air guy, plumber, etc. down to the wage level of the unskilled worker. I do not understand how Americans cannot figure out what is going on here. Gas prices are rising out of speculation, not shortages. There are no shortages of gas, even with the increased demand. It is specualtion by Wall Street gamblers, speculating on prices, thus driving prices up, and the pure greed of the oil company rapists.

The overall plan is to create a new world order to their liking. Their thinking is "Why should you be able to work your way up to driving a BMW, or, to taking your wife on a vacation to Europe. What will separate us from you, if you can do and own many of the things that we have. Why should you have extra money to give to your favorite candidate, it might affect the election to other than we desire."

So, they artificially make gas and food prices higher. They create a credit and housing problem. They off shore your jobs. That makes them very rich, and, secondly, it makes you very poor, thus, they accomplish two of their objectives with one plan.

To get to your point about farm land. Henry Kissinger, my most co-hated peron, alongside Greenspan, has long wanted to move American agriculture off shore. Mexico and Brasil are their two prime prospects for off-shoring American food production.

American cattlemen have long competed with Argentine and Austrailian beef imports. Since the greed minded Republicans and their equally greed Democrat buddy, Bill Clinton passed NAFTA in 93-94', American cattlemen now compete with Canadian, and Mexican beef, as well as the two formentioned and others. The Republicans are fighting like hell to keep you from knowing if you are buying American beef, or, an import. They fight labeling of the beef, just as they have fought country of origin labeling for ALL other imported produts. I am developing a deep hatred of Republcians of the globalist persuasion. Democrats, like Nancy Pelosi, are close behind.

Did you know that the price of CHICKEN in Panama, Costa Rica, and Honduras is about the same price per pound as it is here in the US? Why is that? Well, Cargill, and ADM and others are down there. They have pretty much set the price. Even with all the tainted products coming from Bill Clinton and George Bush's friends in Communist China, TYSON is lobbying congress hard to IMPORT CHICKEN from CHINA. Cheap priced chicken from China, priced high by Tyson when it hits your store, and you will never know that you are eating Chinese chicken, because the Republcians prevent product labeling. MORE PROFIT for TYSON and the globalists. That is what it is all about.

America used to feed the world, now, America imports a sizable portion of it's food. Something is wrong.

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 9:35 PM

Blah, blah, blah, corporate rapists, blah, new world order, blah, blah, greedy bastar*s, blah, American sucks, blah, blah, you all are a bunch of idiots, blah, Jews are destroying this country, blah, blah.......

Doom and gloom, doom and gloom, doom and gloom.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 11:03 PM

Blah, I hate ______, blah, blah, I am a Catholic but I hate______, blah, blah, blah, the person I hate even more than bush _______, blah..............

Doom and gloom, doom and gloom, doom and gloom.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 11:07 PM

Ah, very clever of you. I have never said that "Jews are destroying the country." Never, have I said it, yet, you, as the communist do, repeat a lie over and over, until it appears to others to be the truth. I have spoken of Zionists, and Zionism, which is different than people who are Jewish, and, their faith, Judaism. Other posters, including, Hileco, have painstakenly attempted to explain that difference to you and a couple others here. Apparently, either you are too simple minded to comprehend the difference, you wish to cause others to believe as you wish them to, by repeating a lie, or, for some reason you are ill informed?.

If you didn't know, to be a Zionist does not require one to be currently Jewish, or, of Jewish heritage. There is a cult leader in Texas by the name of John Hagee. He has built a following of simpletons and taken in a lot of cash by defaming Arabs and Muslims, and getting his cult to adhere to Zionism and raising Israel above America. He and some of his cult, have visited Washington, and worked the extreme, radical right in the Republican party to, regardless of the murders of children that Israelis commit, to always back Israel.

Out of the three options that I listed above, I do wish to believe that you are merely ill informed. I do not believe you to be a total idiot, and I would hate to think that you are a common propagandist and liar.

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 11:29 PM

Instructor...Is someone else using your name tonight? LOL Things could be worse...You could have been watching Bill O'Reilly buddy up to Hillary Clinton, then tell her this was THE most fun interview he'd ever had on the show. But then, Laura Ingraham mentioned the upcoming Clinton/O'Reilly presidential ticket...SMILE!

-- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 11:33 PM


I thought you would get a kick out of this...


-- Posted by Conservababy on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 11:40 PM

Hate, hate, hate, blah, blah, Oklahoma City, 9/11 inside jobs, blah, blah, evil Jewish lobbyists, blah, blah, blah, Americans are stupid, blah, blah, Republicans are the scorn of this country, blah, blah, blah...

Doom and gloom, doom and gloom, doom and gloom.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Fri, May 2, 2008, at 12:00 AM

Couldn't have said it better myself Liberty. You and I are on the same wavelength. I bet you listen to Alex Jones on http://www.infowars.com If not check him out.

You are absolutely right about the Christian Zionists. They P.M.off more than the Jewish Zionists. Hagee worships Israel instead of God. I'm not anti-Jewish by any means. Most of the Jews have been conned just like most of the rest of America. They have an us against the world attitude. Any politician who speaks out against Israel is booted out of office fast. But Israel gets a free pass to do what ever they want. In my opinion we wouldn't be in Iraq and would not be planning to hit Iran if not for the Zionists.

The globalist bankers and fascist corporations run the world. They are comprised of Jews and non-Jews alike. Evil is evil no matter the religion. It is time all real patriotic Americans stand up and say no more of this. We are being bled to death by the globaists. They want a one world government or New World Order as daddy Bush has said many times.( Ironically enough he said it on 9/11/90 and 9/11/91 at speaches at the U.N.) They can't have a NWO if America remains strong so they are killing us.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Fri, May 2, 2008, at 12:16 AM

Oh, good Lord! Another **** MJB!

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Fri, May 2, 2008, at 12:30 AM

Instuctor when the government black ski masked thugs round you up to take you to the FEMA concentration camp, they will tell you they are taking you to Disneyland and you will believe it.

It is not your fault though. Americans have been purposefully dumbed down for years. Flouride in the water, tainted vaccines, genetically modified food and years of mind control on T.V. and pop culture has basically domesticated most of the people.They believe whatever they are told. Total mind control is what the New World Order wants and you are helping them out.

Look at my avatar image. That is you in the picture along with the rest of the family. Go back to sleep...sleep...sleep.. All is well..well...well. Your government loves you. War is peace. The economy is strong. Rush Limbaugh knows all.Pain is pleasure. Don't listen to anyone but your government leaders. Gas is cheap. Food is plentiful.

There is hope for you though. At least you can still read. Look into some of these things we talk about more deeply and maybe you will wake up. I was once like you too and thank God I'm not anymore.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Fri, May 2, 2008, at 1:10 AM

I love the Dr. Strangelove movie too, but it did set back the anti-fluoride crusaders cause. As you know fluoride is a waste product in the manufacture of aluminum. It is used in Prozac and in rat poison. When a city puts fluoride in the water, it is drugging the population without everyones consent.

The first occurrence of fluoridated drinking water was found in Germany's Nazi prison camps. The Gestapo had little concern about fluoride's supposed effect on children's teeth; their alleged reason for mass-medicating water with sodium fluoride was to sterilize humans and force the people in their concentration camps into calm submission. (Ref. book: "The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben" by Joseph Borkin.)

Like I've said previously, America has become a herd of docile sheep and cattle. We do as we are told and we do not question much of anything of importance. Filter the flouride out of your water for a couple of months and see how you and your family become alive again. Demand that they quit adding a drug to your water without your consent.

-- Posted by Thought Criminal on Fri, May 2, 2008, at 2:06 AM

Um, infoidiot, I have enough guns around me and on me that I don't think anyone is rounding me or my family up.

I have listened to idiots like yourself for years telling us how the government is going to put us in concentration camps, etc.

Hell, the Feds can't even build a courthouse in Cape Girardeau MO much less orchestrate the stupid ideas you and folks like you (MJB) espouse.

Keep on living in your own little paranoid world.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Fri, May 2, 2008, at 9:23 AM

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