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Speak Out 4/30/08

Wednesday, April 30, 2008

Support recycling

SHAME ON those who do not support Ali Herzog in her efforts. Let's hope she becomes an Army of One. Keep it up, Ali!

Jackson shuffle

JACKSON SCHOOL District is reorganizing its upper administrative structure. Give me a break. Two administrators are getting new titles and a raise in salary. So what if one of them is in charge of the district publication? Classroom teachers send out publications each month while taking care of a classroom full of students. They don't get a huge pay raise. Jackson should hold off on the glut at the top and use the money from reorganization to pay for another teacher and get class sizes down.

Police concern

RECENTLY I'VE been debating whether or not to buy a handgun, mainly for personal protection. On the night of April 22, the Jackson Police Department made my decision for me. Around 10:30 p.m. I was awakened by the sound of men talking outside my bedroom window and police cars driving around my neighborhood spotlighting my back yard as well as my neighbors' yards. As I looked closer I saw at least one figure searching through the neighborhood on foot with a flashlight. Then I heard a helicopter overhead. This carried on for over a half-hour. Being fairly concerned, I called the Jackson Police Department to find out if there was anything I should do or look out for. The woman who answered the phone was short with me and said it was just a couple of cows loose. I said thank you and hung up the phone feeling insulted. I've never heard of anyone going to such great lengths to find a couple of cows, nor have I ever known it to be that difficult to spot one. But perhaps I'm wrong and there really were a couple of incredibly clever cows that had Jackson's finest baffled for over a half-hour in the middle of town. Worse yet, maybe I'm right and not only did the police lie to me, they made a joke out of lying to me. Either scenario screams incompetence. The standards must be pretty low over at the police department. The police department has lost my faith and support and has left me with no other option but to arm myself.

Things to do

ST. LOUIS may have plenty of kid entertainment, more than Cape Girardeau for sure, but Cape Girardeau has plenty of adult entertainment. There's the River Campus where you can see plays and the Show Me Center. Why don't the Lippizaner horses come in the summer when you don't have so much to do? Why do they come in the spring when you're worried about how you're going to pay for graduation, graduation parties and prom? Why not wait until the school year's out? I find summers to be boring in Cape Girardeau, so thank goodness for a new water park. But as far as adults being able to entertain, Cape Girardeau is just as entertaining as any city. There's music at bars and restaurants. These are also family-friendly places too. So there's a lot in this area to offer to adults and entertainment. It's not just so much for the children. That's why you have to travel elsewhere for them.

Great photos

YOUR PHOTOGRAPHER, Fred Lynch, has been taking fantastic pictures of our athletes. He has exceptional talent for capturing the unusual positions, and it's really appreciated by readers. Great job, Fred.

Replacing carts

I CANNOT believe shoppers at grocery stores who won't put their carts back in the proper place when leaving. It has always been my pet peeve.


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I missed yesterday: Will you be aggravated with me if I make some replies to yesterday's SO? I hope not--I hate being left out. I'll try to be reasonably brief, and break it into more than one comment. LOL

Farm-supply Demand

The Rain Forests are being destroyed in the frantic attempt to grow more corn for ethanol. If you don't understand why this is a very, very bad thing for our world's environment, do a little research on it. A recent Time magazine article explained it very well--and very frighteninly. It was laughable, though, that one of the next Time editions had an article praising the ethanol/global warming movement.

Conservative Clinton

People really believe that Clinton moved toward the right? Well, guess she did...about the time that she decided that it was her turn to be President.

Families & Schools

Agree that family involvement has much to do with the success of their children's education. This is a little off-the-wall idea, but...Why couldn't America look at what the countries with the top scholastic ratings are doing, and try their methods? Written with tongue-firmly-in-cheek.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 6:36 AM

SEMOAN & Little_Mac (Okay, & SWBG & KJT & thinker also)

Love your use of humor yesterday..."(inventive) ways to tax us." Mac, you'll get it right one of these days...WAIT! I think you already have! Whiners whining about whiners whining...LOL And OMG, "Electile Dysfunction: 'The inability to become aroused over any of the choices for president put forth by either party in an election year.' "Thinkers Anonymous"...the ending of your "tale" about thinking just cracked me UP!!! God, how I love to read a little humor now and then in here...so, thanks!

fajar

Sad story about no one stopping to help the man stalled in traffic, and bless you for helping. To balance your tale...When I left the doctors' offices yesterday, my car wouldn't start. A man driving through the parking lot stopped, asked if I needed a boost, and left to go get his cables. Meanwhile, someone reported my hood up to the medical personnel, and a Security Patrolman came with a portable battery boost...my car started just as the other man came back with his cables. I returned the good will by offering to assist a man at Sam's in getting from the store's electric scooter into his vehicle--and praising the men who worked in Sam's for testing/replacing the bad battery, then checking the alternator, etc. Tired and limping, I took the time to have a Walmart manager come up so I could praise the checker for her attitude, resourcefulness and helpfulness when I requested she put the groceries in my canvas shopping bags instead of the plastic bags. Some time ago, our full load from Lowe's slid off our truck as we went up an on-ramp...Unfortunately, the box of nails also fell off, and busted open...Several people stopped to help with the lumber, and to direct the busy drivers who didn't stop around us while I picked up the gazillion nails. Actually, that helped those drivers, too...They could all have ended up with flat tires soon! So you see, fajar...There are still good and caring people in this country. You are one of them--and isn't that a really good feeling?

Oh, gosh! Hope no one is offended that I've started the day off. LOL

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 6:47 AM

Things to do,

I know it's hard to do but think a little bit before you write Speak Out. The Show Me Center can't pick and choose when they want a touring act to play there. They play here when their route brings them through this area.

-- Posted by Data48 on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 7:45 AM

I would never advise someone to not be able to protect themselves but the citizens of Jackson have one of the best PDs in the area. If you were the farmer that lost the cows or you were driving and ran into one you would want your PD to find and capture them. Most of the time when the PD is dealing with loose large animals it isn't "finding" them that is the problem its funneling them back to where you want them. That can be a big job. I'm glad they took care of it for you even if you didn't like the "spotlight" in your yard.

Jackson PD doesn't have a helicopter. I have no idea where you get that part of your post. Could have been lifebeat or any civ helo but it had nothing to do with any cows.

-- Posted by Donnie on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 8:46 AM

GurusMom,

It's good to see you and thanks for the re-cap!

Yesterday's humor was fun, wasn't it.... and though, fajar and Who Me, related some "seemingly," sad experiences, maybe those stories will help to remind the rest of us, to remain aware and open to the opportunities, that may present themselves, for assistance to others.

One time, in the parking lot of the old Wal Mart, I was approached by a young man, selling roses (One of those Hare Krishna's).... well, I gave him a couple bucks and he started to hand me a rose, when I said, "Please give it to some nice person." Later that day, while visiting my sister, she said, "The strangest thing happened to me today. A stranger walked up to me and said, you look like a nice person and handed me a rose!" HAHAHA~!

That was a very good lesson, in the serendipitous effect that our attitudes and choices can have, upon the world around us. (We never know who we might assist, or how far reaching, the effects, of a simple act of kindness)

.... That's enough, off topic stuff from me~! I'll try to behave, now.

-- Posted by Semoan on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 9:04 AM

Florida Baptist Preacher and Columnist is Presidential Candidate of the Constitution Party.

www.Constitutionparty.org

Story of Chuck Baldwin, a long time hero of mine is here... Baldwin rightfully says Washington is the problem, not Baghdad, nor, Terhan.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?f...

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 9:24 AM

If your hobby is growning your own tomatoes, or, making homemade naplam, the price will soon rise for both.

Bucheitts told me that 6-24-24 fertilizer, now priced at roughly $14.00-$15.00 for a 40 pound bag will soon rise about 40%. Their contract is due to run out soon, and after the next truck that they get in of 6-24-24, the price will almost double to about $30.00 a bag. I use 12-12-12 for most vegetables, but prefer 6-24-24 for tomatoes.

6-24-24 fertilizer is considered to be a very good fertilizer for growing tomatoes in the home garden. I would assume that due to the high phoporous content of -24-, that it might might have other applications, as well, such as making naplam. I personally would not know, nor, would I advise such ventures without the direct supervision of a pryrotechnic expert and first checking with the proper authorities, either the BATF or, mom and dad.

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 9:32 AM

Police concern,

I'd prefer to be awakened by the police, rounding up a stray cow, than to read about it's death, or the death, or injury of a driver, in the next day's paper.

If you buy a gun, I hope you will take a gun safety course.... we don't want to read about some farmer's, loose cow, getting shot!

Replacing carts,

Ooh.... Worse than leaving a cart in the middle of the lot, are people who block traffic, while waiting for a parking space!!!!

-- Posted by Semoan on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 9:33 AM

Apparently there were over 50 head of calves that got

loose in Jackson and not just one or two.Although an inconvienence to some residents it was far more inconvienent for the rancher who had several thousands of dollars running loose.Some will complain about anything!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 9:37 AM

re: police concern

The police dispatcher did give you and answer. Maybe she was busy taking other calls with the same question. You should buy yourself a firearm for protection. No police department can provide body guards.

-- Posted by Conservababy on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 9:39 AM

GurusMom

You are a very gracious and kind lady. I always enjoy your comments.

-- Posted by Conservababy on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 9:43 AM

Don't go out and buy a gun! All we need is to have sleepy, angry homeowners shooting lost and hungry cows!

What if the cow breaks in, do you have the right to shoot then? And if the cow uses your weapon in another felony, how responsible will you feel? Seriously...does this person need a weapon?

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 9:50 AM

Continuing the conversation from yesterday concerning helping others....my experience has been that conservatives are the ones who "act" and the liberals are the ones who want the government to "act" using money that has been confiscated from one person to give to another. Now don't get me wrong, I have witnessed folks that I know that are very liberal volunteering at various events.

Our business donates thousands of dollars in services to March of Dimes, MS Society, and the list goes on and on.

I can't count how many times I have stopped at accidents to render assistance (I was an EMT at one time). I carry a decent sized first aid kit in each one of my vehicles for those occasions.

The 98 year old lady that lives behind our business was locked out of her house the other day. She has never been married and has no family left. Anyway, I noticed she was having a difficult time opening her back door. I asked her if she needed any help (knowing she did) and tried every key she had to no avail. Fortunately, the front door was unlocked and we were able to gain entry. The keys looked new and had "Dan's" stamped on the head. She told me those were the only keys she has ever had to the house (she has lived there for years) so I knew something was up. I called Dan's Key and Lock and had a tech drop by that morning to see what he could do.

While I was there, I noticed her cable TV line to her house had dropped down to about four feet above the ground. Called Charter to set-up an appointment to have it fixed also.

I followed up at the end of the day with a call to Dan's to see if he got the keys working, which he did. The keys were off by two of the five tumblers so he matched both locks to the keys. The next day, Charter was there to fix the line.

All in all, it put life in perspective for me. Very rewarding...

There are those that preach doom and gloom and there are those that try to make a difference. It is easy to see who on those forum falls into which category.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 10:02 AM

Liberty

And then there is always cow manure.

-- Posted by Conservababy on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 10:03 AM

Conservababy

When I was growing up, we used cow, horse, and chicken manure and always had great gardens with plenty of fresh produce. Someday, I hope to be back in the country and, again, have access to those fine growing mediums.

Like a fine wine, and women, they are often better aged.

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 10:14 AM

The war criminals bush and cheney have moved yet another US fleet to waters near Iran. bush says it is not for an attack, but to let them know that he means business.

In addtion to being insane, bush is a provocateur. Iran cannot rely on Russia for assistance, since they have always betrayed the Serbs in similar situations, however, you just never know, there could be a first time and Russia, China, and, India, who have all war gamed together, could take a dislike to your deluded, delusional, insane president. Someone needs to stop the war of terror that has flowed from Washington, but it looks like our Democrats are too weak minded, or, compliant with the delusions of this mad man and his neocon scum.

Happy talk will not turn the economy around. Jobs, good paying manufacturing jobs, and a different political leadership other than the two tired old parties will do the job.

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 10:21 AM

Instructor,

You done patting yourself on the back.

I find conservatives needing constant praise for doing a little good and liberals doing good without grandstanding.

Now that being said I know my comment to be just as ridiculous as yours. People do good by their choice not by the political persuasion. There are kind people who consider themselves conservative and those who consider themselves liberal. If you do not have liberal minded friends that help others I suggest you expand your boundaries and set aside your own prejudices. Nothing personal...maybe I've had too much caffeine today.

-- Posted by SWBG on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 10:23 AM

Liberty

You can buy 50 lb bags of cow manure for $4.79 at Lowes. And you forgot the cheese. LOL

-- Posted by Conservababy on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 10:38 AM

Another story but this time my wife was the recipient of the "niceness".

Two Christmas seasons ago, my wife was pregnant (eight months) with my son and had our other two children with her at the time. I was off on one of my government paid "vacations" (USAR drill) in Omaha NE. She was getting out of the car and was attempting to get the other two children out (she was at Target) when a lady approached her and asked if her husband (me) was in the military (she noticed the US Army decal on the back of the car).

My wife stated that yes I was in the military and was gone that weekend to drill in Nebraska. She said to tell me that there were folks in this world that really appreciated what we do and loved us for it. At that point she reached in her purse a tried to give my wife some money (we really didn't need it) and my wife adamantly refused. The lady insisted and ended up giving the "single bill" to my four year old son.

After the wife got into Target, my son gave the "single bill" to her. It was a $100.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 10:44 AM

Instructor,

So was the woman a conservative or liberal??? Was the man that helped Gurusmom a conservative or liberal? Can you tell by looking at the color of their eyes? Does a conservative have more hair then a liberal?? Can't acts of kindness just be that, acts of kindness? A lovely day of stories of people helping people has to be turned into insulting acusations of 'Conservative vs Liberal'. How sad.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 10:53 AM

Um SWBG, I wasn't patting myself on the back. As you can see, I also posted a story about being on the other side.

I would like to refer you to the Generosity Index, compiled by The Catalogue For Philanthropy.

http://michellemalkin.com/2004/11/10/mos...

Draw your own conclusions.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 10:53 AM

"Now don't get me wrong, I have witnessed folks that I know that are very liberal volunteering at various events."

Perhaps you missed what I said. I am posting again to make sure.

PS I am not concerned about the political persuasion of anyone I have rendered assistance. I was only referring to the person rendering assistance.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 10:59 AM

Funny Instructor....my experience has been just the opposite. I agree with SWBG, I see lots of conservatives "grandstanding" in glory for all they do. And....I know tons of liberals who do their work for personal integrity, values and worth. Could it be you haven't noticed the "behind the scene" workers because of all the grandstanding?????

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 11:02 AM

Instructor,

I didn't miss your statement. I was just saying it shouldn't matter if the acts of kindness is done by a liberal or conservative. It should be just that a person is helping another. I just don't ask the person I'm helping or getting help from which side of the aisle they are from.

Sorry, maybe I just haven't had enough morning coffee yet. Maybe your statement just hit me the wrong way this morning and I appolgize if I've misunderstood your intent.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 11:08 AM

Theorist, refer to my post at 9:53 AM

Click on the link.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 11:08 AM

Police concerns,

If you have to debate on arming yourself, I am not really sure you should be persuaded by this one incident. If the decision to own one is so difficult are you really going to be prepared to go to the next even more difficult decision and use it on another human being? If not, a firearm is a liability and not an asset as it may very well be used against you.

If after due deliberation and consultation with someone you trust, you do buy a gun please take a course on firearms use, safety, laws and the consequences of its use. A couple of places in this area offer excellent courses, Point Blank Training being one. I would recommend a course on concealed carry even if you do not plan to obtain a permit as all of these subjects are covered as well as live fire exercises and weapon maintenance.

Like Donnie, I would never advise anyone not to be able to protect themselves, but I wouldnít advise anyone to buy a weapon without knowing them. I was required to qualify twice per year, attend FATS and a classroom safety course yearly. Reminders of the awesome responsibility of using a weapon were always very sobering and thought provoking. Not trying to discourage anyone as I still choose to carry a weapon myself even though I am retired. Sorry for the length of this post.

-- Posted by D'oh on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 11:08 AM

Sorry folks, if I would have known I was going to pi*s off all the folks on the other side of the political spectrum , I would have left it out. :-)

PS It is soooooo easy to get you guys going.....

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 11:15 AM

I have a 'niceness' story and I know the giver was a conservative. LOL

A couple of years ago I was on a thread about upcoming Mardi Gras on FreeRepublic. We were talking good times and good recipes. In one post I whined (yes I did) that I couldn't get any live crawfish here in Missouri to have a real celebration.

When I checked my freepmail I found a letter from a man whose screen name I had never seen. He requested my home address saying that he wanted to send some Mardi Gras trinkets for my grandkids. So I gave it to him. The day before Mardi Gras I received two packages...one small one filled with beads and douboons...and the other a huge box of twenty pounds of LIVE crawfish from South Louisiana. I thought I'd died and gone to heaven.

-- Posted by Conservababy on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 11:17 AM

Instructor,

The same could be said about you and a certain poster. It goes both ways on the easiness of pi*sing someone off wouldn't you say??

And I'm not pi*sed off, just asking why it has to be brought to that level when discussing people helping people?

Oh and if Ms Malkin can say the Stern list if false, what's to say her's isn't also?? (See, I do read what you post. lol)

You're still a stand up guy in my book Instructor, and I respect what you have to say, just don't always agree with ya.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 11:25 AM

LOL, Pups you are sooo right! (about me getting pis*ed easily)

Just thought I would have a little fun this morning.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 11:29 AM

Babe,

It was very nice of the gentleman to send you those things. Though are you sure he was a conservative? I've registered with FreeRep and you know I'm not a conservative. LOL Just razzing you.

Oh, and speaking of crawfish, you were right again. The ones I told you about a few months ago were from China. Wonder why we can't get Lousianna seafood in Cape?? Not just crawfish, but shrimp, fish, clams, and the such. I know some of the best seafood I've eaten was while in New Orleans. (Well, I was told it was locally caught, hopefully I wasn't lied to. lol)

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 11:31 AM

Instructor,

Fair enough. Again, maybe I was to quick to bite the hook this am.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 11:37 AM

Heck, how were you supposed to know I was "fishing" this morning? LOL

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 11:37 AM

Pups

Maybe you should remember that this forum is usually a discussion of news, current events, ideology and politics....and not always 'beauty parlor chitchat'.

You're a nice fellow, Pups, but for you to chastise a poster because he stated a FACT that conservatives are more giving than liberals is just plain wrong.

-- Posted by Conservababy on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 11:44 AM

Hey C-babe, it was all in good fun. Both Conservatives and Liberals twist sh*t around all the time. Theorist is me on the other side of the political spectrum and his/her response was expected.

Pups is pretty level headed and I suspect more middle of the road than to the left.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 11:58 AM

Babe,

Wasn't chastizing anyone, was just asking why the discussion of people helping people had to be turned into a lib vs con. And, as a giving Lib, I personally can't tell you which side gives more then the other. So, you and Instructor may very well be correct on the overall "Facts", just not in my case.

And this is an opinion page, and opinions are going to differ. And I'm am the first to appologize if I feel I was in the wrong with my opinion about someone elses opinion. Which in this particular case, I have done twice now.

On a good note, thank you for saying I'm a nice guy. :-) I do appreciate it.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 12:00 PM

C-Babe and Mike

I didnít know that fertilizer was going up but that does make sense of some things. I muck out my chicken house every Saturday that I donít have National Guard drill. I used to have to bury, burn or dump the stuff but lately I have had no problem giving away 10-15 gallons per week. Of course with fresh chicken muck you HAVE to let it burn down for a few weeks at a minimum before using it or it will be a little strong for most applications. I am a few weeks from moving from the area but there are several people like me that give the stuff away for nothing just bring your own 5-gallon buckets. The bagged stuff from Lowes is more convenient and ready to use but paying for fertilizer kind of negates the financial gain of gardening. Also I use yard clippings in my nesting boxes so there may be some weed seed in anything I give away but once again it is pretty good stuff for gardening.

-- Posted by Donnie on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 12:07 PM

Pups

The reason you can't get Louisiana crawfish here is because Chinese crawfish are about half the cost per pound. Louisiana claims the Chinese are 'dumping' them here well below market prices. I worry about contamination of Chinese imported foods, myself. Just remember that some fine restaurants here buy Chinese crawfish and then charge as if purchased from Louisiana.

-- Posted by Conservababy on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 12:08 PM

Don't know that it is a bad thing to be debating who is nicer, it is usually who is more to blame for the ills of society and the downfall of civilization as we know it.

"I'm gonna show those darned conservatives/liberals who is willing do more for people."

-- Posted by D'oh on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 12:08 PM

Babe,

Fact, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.

-- Posted by SWBG on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 12:11 PM

Babe,

Aside from concerns of contamination (legit concern) do those commie crawfish taste different than the American kind.

-- Posted by SWBG on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 12:15 PM

S.O.S for Suggestions:

Hmmm. The SO column for the day, vacuous as it seems to be (as usual), appears to have been adequately dispensed with already. So what can we bloviate about, other than the standard albeit fun slop-slingin' at each other? Ah, I think I've got it...ORBS!! Does anyone have any practical info or experience with orbs? You know, them thar things some say may indicate the presence of paranormal activity...aka, ghosts?!

Now and then, my Mule catches a show or two on TAPS, those ghost-chasin' guys; they've even done some stuff on places we're heading to. The problem is, we're not gonna be totin' along a bunch of fancy high-tech equipment like they use; just a couple of digital cameras and an old 35mm SLR camera that miraculously still works. And launch day for the trip is approaching so quick that I don't have time to study the gobs of Web sites I've greedily gathered on haunted places, like battlefields, etc. Heckfire, if I click on my "favorites" menu, it drops down to, and splatters all over the floor with that stuff. We need to bone up quickly on day/night photo techniques, and especially photo interpretation. Of course, I've already read or experienced some stuff about orbs and other paranormal activity that support or knock down the issue of orbs.

Many say, and I sometimes tend to agree, that orbs are merely dust or other microscopic particles, or even moisture, which reflect light in photos. OK, I can buy some of that; howsumever, I've captured orbs in the middle of bright, dry days, and sitting real still.

On the other hand, and more interesting. Others, like paranormal spook-chasers & psychics insist orbs quite possibly indicate spiritual activity, and I've experienced/captured some of what they're talking about. Like the brightness and color shades, such as oranges or reds, even various sizes of orbs can imply degrees of violence which took place...well, duh, battlefields are generally violent sites, or were, and I've bagged bunches of red/orange/yellow orbs. So, how would you explain pure white ones, or blue and grey orbs...were they Yanks and Rebs respectively?

But here's a fun option to ponder. What if you sit real still in the middle of "haunted" field (day or night) continuously taking digital, panoramic shots, and getting some orbs. But then you have someone else, preferably in period dress, start reading Bible verses for a short period...and the orbs begin to swarm around the reader, then begin to dissipate as soon as the reading stops!! How do you explain that?! I showed that action to some paranormals and psychics, and they kinda freaked out...in a fun sorta way!

So whaddayasay, folks? Do any of you out there have any quicky suggestions or techniques to offer? Would appreciate it. Keep in mind that we're not runnin' with sophisticated equipment, and time is of the essence to git to gittin'. And sorry for this extended diatribe; howsumever, it's fun, and at least I ain't bashin' someone...ain't got the time, gotta keep prep'ing! No Burma Shave here.

p.s.: I'll pop in and bug y'all now and then for the next couple of days to see if ya got anything juicy to offer, OK?

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 12:19 PM

Babe,

The only crawfish I have eaten in my life was while visiting New Orleans. I used to hunt and play with them as a kid living in Texas, but never ate them until I went to New Orleans. I assumed (and you know what they say about that lol) they were locally caught. Though you are correct, even there I might have been lied to. But, again, will state some of the best seafood I have ever had was during that trip.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 12:21 PM

Gurusmom & Semoan,

I am glad there were a couple of you who liked the Thinkers Anonymous story yesterday. When I first read it, I thought it was pretty funny. Especially since my name on here is thinker.

-- Posted by thinker on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 12:29 PM

Herr,

Personal experience.... Friends of mine took picture of an area in Southern California known for Mob body dumping in the 40's. They were facinated by the 'faces' in the tree of one picture that they didn't notice the lady standing next to the tree that I pointed out. She was clear as day, just a bit transparent. Though her style of dress would have put her closer to the early 1900's. And, nope, it wasn't a double exposure from some other picture, as they had just loaded the film used that day.

Have also experimented with tape recordings at grave sites and where the above mentioned picture was taken. Some interesting voices heard on tapes that were not from anyone in our party. Can't say for sure there wasn't someone out of eyeshot, but just know it wasn't one of us.

Unfortunately, the owner of said picture and recordings distroyed them a couple of years back, other wise I would offer to bring them to a lunch some time.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 12:33 PM

Babe,

You are such a HOOT! (you little s**t disturber, you!)

"You're a nice fellow, Pups, but for you to chastise a poster because he stated a FACT that conservatives are more giving than liberals is just plain wrong."

LOL! I'd like to see your source of statistics, on that.

ANYWAY.... There are some crayfish farms, here, in Missouri. We had someone, stop in, for some work, one day, who raises Crawfish and his farm was just, South of Cape.... but I lost his card.

I don't think his farm is listed in the link, below, but here it is, in case you're interested....

http://mdc4.mdc.mo.gov/Documents/36.pdf

-- Posted by Semoan on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 12:41 PM

Herr,

That's a fascinating account of the Orbs and bible, reading! Hub says it is dust, or just an anomaly.... Maybe try different thought projection, too.

Keep us informed!

Thinker,

Yeah! That was a good story, thanks!

-- Posted by Semoan on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 12:45 PM

I hear that in Branson now they have some sort of Paranormal Walking Tour at night. Just read about it on a Branson Website. Supposedly they go to some haunted places and to a graveyard and do some photography and other tests to prove their point.

Not your average Branson show, I guess.

-- Posted by thinker on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 12:56 PM

I am happy to leave the spirits alone and mind my own business!

-- Posted by thinker on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 12:57 PM

I'll bet that most spirits are liberal....

LOL

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 12:59 PM

The seafood in New Orleans is delicious indeed. I have a friend that used to live down there and twice a year when he goes home to visit he brings me back mounds of crawfish and we have us a big ole boil.

Paranormal experiences-yes indeed. Been there. Scare the crap out of you the first time it happens.

-- Posted by outnabout on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 1:00 PM

SWBG

Yes, Chinese crawfish taste different. They are not as sweet. A good Louisiana crawfish taste just as though you had already buttered the meat.

-- Posted by Conservababy on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 1:14 PM

Herr

The only ghost I've ever seen was the one I described to you.

I don't know if this will interest you but I am a firm believer in dying people seeing the "light at the end of the tunnel". As a Respiratory Therapist in a hospital we responded to all Code Blues and we were always at the head of the patient doing our job. I have heard too many patients descibe exactly the same experience to doubt that it is real. Some were mad and some were glad that they had been resusitated but they always told about going toward the bright light.

-- Posted by Conservababy on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 1:38 PM

Me'Lang,

I was searching something yesterday and ran across this website. Don't know if you are familiar with Dr. Deborah Schurman-Kauflin, but thought you might like to see this, if you haven't, already.....

(I thought it was interesting!)

http://www.drdsk.com/articles.html

-- Posted by Semoan on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 1:47 PM

Thanks, guys for the ghosty/orb comments! Just keep 'em comin' over the next couple of days. That's about all the time I have left to do is check in and see what ya got.

Pups:

Neat story about the photo, and that's one point I'm trying to keep in mind...gotta have a critical eye to spot some rather subtle little things. And I'm thinkin' of taking a recorder along, but don't want to buy a really sophisticated one right now.

Say, I don't want to get too distracted from this fun topic much now, but gotta ask you something. You've mentioned So. CA a few times that I've noticed. Did ya grow up there? maybe more important...where'd ya surf?!! I grew up in Escondido; means Hidden Valley in injun lingo.

Snoops:

We don't really get too serious about ghosts either, but they're sure fun to mess with! Wouldn't mind catching a Reb or Yank ghost (not picky) and bringing it home for a pet...well, on second thought(?)!! But one place I wouldn't want to mess with potential ghosts are in funeral homes. My dad told me a story about, when he was a young man, he worked in a "fun home", and said that once he walked by a casket, and the body sat right up on him...had something to do with delayed muscle contractions or some weird thing like that, he guessed. Anyway, fun homes are outta there for me...probably be gracing one soon enough!!!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 1:49 PM

Herr,

A friend of mine has done many, Ghost investigations (he is a psychic, or sensitive) and has been featured on several shows, relating to the ghosts and the paranormal. If you'd like to speak with him, or communicate via email, drop me a line: comeagainmoon@yahoo.com

I have a copy of his first book, where he talks about seeing and communicating with ghosts.

-- Posted by Semoan on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 1:54 PM

SEMOAN

John McCain:

Adjusted gross income $386,527

Charitable contributions $105,467

Federal income tax $118,660

Actual tax return here (large file).

Other interesting information: McCain gave $105,467 to charity, which was 27% of his income. He also made just over $110,000 from books he's written.

Barack Obama:

Adjusted gross income $4.14 million

Federal income tax $1.4 million

Actual tax return here (large file).

Other interesting information: Obama gave $240,370 to charity, which was a measly 5.8% of his income. $3.2 million of his income was from Random House, presumably for books by or about him. (Nice work, if you can get it.)

Hillary Clinton:

The actual numbers aren't available yet because the Clintons filed an extension, but their estimates include:

Income $22 million

Estimate document here.

The Clintons estimated their charitable contributions $3 million, 13.6% of income. The bulk of the income, $10 million, comes from paid speeches made by Bill Clinton.

-- Posted by Conservababy on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 1:57 PM

C-baby:

Funny, albeit interesting you should mention deaths, or near-deaths in hospitals. My grandmother, on mom's side, was a Navy nurse during WWII, and was a Catholic (I'm not), so she believed in purgatory, etc. And she would tell me that if she was working a patient who died on her, she could see some sort of energy raise out of the body at that instant. Too bad she couldn't have bagged some pix of stuff like that!

SEMOAN:

Sounds neat about your psychic friend. And thanks, you just reminded me that I've gotta get some heads-up e-mails out to some psychic/paranornal contacts I've got in or near Gettysburg!! One of 'em, also a reenactor with the 1st Penna Reserves regiment, is really good about taking me out in some really spooky woods and bushes to show me sites not too many others know about!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 2:12 PM

Hey Babe!

Thanks for the statistics. While I agree that conservatives, as a whole, are quite charitable, the statistics you've provided, for the 3 presidential candidates is not a sufficient pool, from which to present an accurate account as proof of group is most charitable, or helpful.

Now with that in mind, there are less than eight months until the election, an election that will decide the next President of the United States. The person elected will be the president of all Americans, not just the Democrats or the Republicans. To show our solidarity as Americans, let's all get together and show each other our support for the candidate of our choice. It's time that we all came together, Democrats and Republicans alike.

If you support the policies and character of John McCain, please drive with your headlights on during the day. If you support Obama or Hillary, please drive with your headlights off at night.

;-)

Thank you.

-- Posted by Semoan on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 2:13 PM

James Nall:

Yeah, I remember Vista. Escondido had two high schools (we were the Orange Glen Patriots), and played Vista in football...beat the snot out of 'em too! One of the last times I saw my high school luv (she was a mod dancer) before going in the service, she was doing a dance show in Vista. I recall having to keep chasing those Vista dogs away from her!!

Geeze! I have to quit "propellering" around (can't use the s.c.r.e.w. word, donchaknow!) and keep my nose in the trip prep action. Haven't even de-winterized the trailer yet...mabe I can just do that on the road...if I can get away with it!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 2:32 PM

Herr,

I mentioned this before, but you might not have seen it..... I was wondering if you knew of the house, near the old, Lorimier Cemetary, that was supposed to be haunted. The house was used as a hospital, during the Civil war. I've heard a couple, pretty good stories, but haven't heard much about the house, for a few years.

Sure wish I could do some of that ghost chasing, too.... sounds like my kind of spooktator sport!

-- Posted by Semoan on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 2:32 PM

Herr

You must be a young dude. My Mother was a Navy nurse in WWII and also Catholic. She once told me a very dark secret. During her training at a Catholic hospital she baptised several dying babies shortly after delivery because a priest was unavailable. She had no idea if the mother was Catholic or not but she said if she wasn't...it wouldn't take...and if she was, her baby would go straight to heaven.

-- Posted by Conservababy on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 2:38 PM

SEMOAN

Girl....that was funny.

If you support the policies and character of John McCain, please drive with your headlights on during the day. If you support Obama or Hillary, please drive with your headlights off at night.

;-)

Thank you.

-- Posted by SEMOAN on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, 1:13 pm CDT

-- Posted by Conservababy on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 2:43 PM

Herr,

I have lived on and off most of my life in So. Cal. Unfortunately to far inland to be a surfer. Lived in the San Bernardino, Riverside, Ontario, and Victorville areas. Not much surfing going on in those cities. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 3:01 PM

Me'Lange:

Ooops, sorry. I almost missed your post in my rush to prep the trailer. Anyway, it doesn't matter if ya have any ghosty experience or not...or even believe in it. Like reenacting, it's just plain fun to mess with!! Oh, but if we ever got some serious local ghost-chasin' going on around here, we could sure use some of your research and admin skills to keep track of it all!

C-baby:

Well, yeah, kinda young, at heart anyway (59); howsumever, I'm immersed in hard-core intensive training in the "School of the Dirty Ole Man" so I'm properly prepared to assume such a vaunted post!! I hope to graduate at the top of my class!!!! On another note about my granny, and being a Navy nurse, she might have had a bit of a hard time getting by St. Pete without at least a good spanking. You see, when the U.S.S Arizona went down in Pearl Harbor, she and her sis, Gertrude, had nervous breakdowns because, well, they personally knew most of the crew on said ship...and she implied it was more than just casual acquaintances, if ya get my drift...and not too hard to port either!! James N should appreciate that one!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 3:03 PM

I wonder what the percentage is of fellow posters here that are not from this area (tri-state).

-- Posted by Conservababy on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 3:07 PM

Copying recipes from Food Network? Oh the humanity!!

They might as well have raped a 12 year old girl. Heinous.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 3:13 PM

Babe,

"She had no idea if the mother was Catholic or not but she said if she wasn't...it wouldn't take..."

LOL.... I'm sorry, but that is not true of Catholic doctrine. The church teaches that anyone who is baptized upon death, or anyone who receives the last rights will go to heaven.

However, an adult, may have to go to purgatory, first, until they work off, their penance. A baby who dies, but is not baptised, will go to Limbo. (It's a nice little place, but nothing like heaven).

Any baby, who has been baptised, goes straight to heaven!

-- Posted by Semoan on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 3:20 PM

SEMOAN, I can't believe you said that deal about driving with your headlights off at night! You horrible Republican!

You are probably the same type who calls up the disenfranchised voters to tell them to vote on the wrong date.

Horrible person are you!

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 3:21 PM

"In April 2008, some recipes on the McCain campaign website attributed to Cindy McCain turned out to be copied from the Food Network

Yes, just what won't they do in order to become first fake family??"

-- Posted by Snoops_Malone

****************************************************

Oh Snoopers,

that doesn't count, as those recipes were placed, UNDER SNIPER FIRE! Hahahahaha!

-- Posted by Semoan on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 3:26 PM

Instructobully,

"SEMOAN, I can't believe you said that deal about driving with your headlights off at night! You horrible Republican!

You are probably the same type who calls up the disenfranchised voters to tell them to vote on the wrong date.

Horrible person are you!"

-- Posted by Instructor_aka_TheBully

*************************************

HAHAHAHAHA...... and proud of it, darlin!

-- Posted by Semoan on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 3:31 PM

"I find it odd for you to be supporting McCain, considering the rest of the ultra-conservatives (Limbaugh) publicly calls him a joke. You did hear the Citizen McCain parody?? Right?

-- Posted by Snoops_Malone"

***************************

Snoopster,

What did I say yesterday, about "Electile Dysfunction?"

-- Posted by Semoan on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 3:36 PM

SEMOAN, Don't let our friend down at the music store here you talk that way. LOL

He calls me a Republican sometimes...LOL

-- Posted by Snoops_Malone

**************************

HAHAHAHA! Oh, I just love to give Wootsiebootsie a ration of doo doo, whenever I get the chance!

-- Posted by Semoan on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 3:42 PM

It doesn't matter to someone who is in need of help whether you are conservative or liberal all that matters is they need help and as a human being things would be a lot better if WE ALL actually helped others instead of assuming someone else will do it.

Getting a gun

That is fine if that is what you want after you have taken a gun safety course but hopefully you do not have small children that may accidentally spook you during the night or a teenager that is trying to sneak in past curfew. Guns are great if used correctly but an innocent kid can loose their life from one bought for protection.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 4:09 PM

Now Jerry, when did I say I was supporting John McCain? For obvious reasons (I don't like socialists), I would vote for whatever Republican candidate that gets the nomination. (in this case he is the lesser of three evils)

Obama is the most liberal senator in Congress and Hillary, well, let's just say I don't like her.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 4:28 PM

Semoangel70,

I agree completely, the second most important item to get if you choose to buy a weapon for home defense is a good quality flash light. I prefer one mounted on the weapon with a laser sight. You can get them for rifles, shotguns or pistols.

-- Posted by D'oh on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 4:30 PM

I can't keep up with you all today!!!! I'll try to spread my comments out. It's been (mostly) interesting and fun today.

SEMOAN

What a terrific story about the rose! And yes, a good lesson. A quote my beloved grandmother wrote in my autograph book:

Count that day lost

Whose low descending sun

Views from your hand

No worthy action done.

In all these decades, it's ONE thing I haven't managed to forget. ~sigh~ So true...Who knows what ripples might be created in another person's life with one good word, one smile, one small kindness from even a stranger.

C-baby

Awwww...thanks. ~blush~ But like everyone, sometimes I do have my "moments" of lapses in the kindness arena. OH! I forgot, from yesterday...daughter & I have "planned" a cookbook for several years, from family recipes dating back to the 1800's. So you and I will have to do something different--or you can join us in this never-ending venture. However, there are a gazillion cookbooks on the market...Who the heck really uses them much? LOL Great story about the crawdad delivery from your FreeRepublic stranger!

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 4:55 PM

Snoops

If you can't see your posts...maybe you're banned. Just joking!

-- Posted by Conservababy on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 4:58 PM

Gosh you guys talking about guns and weapons sure are a violent lot, aren't you?

Personally I like my Taurus PT111 (9mm) with Speer Goldot +P ammo. Carried in the small of my back **** near 24/7, it has become like a second wallet for me.

I don't leave home without it.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 5:12 PM

James Nall

How wonderful that you live on the same farm where you were born. Not many folks have the circumstances of life that allows one to go home again.

-- Posted by Conservababy on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 5:23 PM

Instructor,

I guess so. Glock 27 .40 caliber with Federal Tactical Hydra-Shok 165 grain in a Blade-Tech holster. Bedside Glock 23 with Sure Fire Tactical Light.

-- Posted by D'oh on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 5:28 PM

Instructor

I prefer one of these...

http://www.cabelas.com/prod-1/0044108228...

-- Posted by Conservababy on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 5:37 PM

GurusMom,

"Count that day lost

Whose low descending sun

Views from your hand

No worthy action done."

That's beautiful! Thanks for sharing it.... I'm printing it out, to keep at my desk!

....I concur with Babe, by the way.... YOU are a sweetheart!

-- Posted by Semoan on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 5:47 PM

GurusMom

You're right, cook books are a dime a dozen now with the internet. But, how about a business that makes personal cook books? Every man wants to eat a few foods that his mother cooked and every woman wants to cook a few recipes of her mother's.

So, what we could do is compile a book of recipes for clients. We could call their relatives to get them on paper or try to decipher their handwritten ones. Nostalgia is money, don't you think?

-- Posted by Conservababy on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 5:54 PM

Good to hear there are other "good guys" who carry guns out there.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 6:01 PM

James,

If I "knew" I was going to need a weapon, I would opt for a rifle or shotgun too, but for every day carry a long gun, even an M4 or variant is just not practical for me. I guess it just depends on the individual.

-- Posted by D'oh on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 6:32 PM

My husband and I both carry handguns in our vehichle, we also went to the safety course etc etc. If you are safe about it there is nothing wrong with having a weapon I just hope everyone carried the safety on at home. trigger locks, keep them locked up with ammo seperate whatever it takes to keep the kiddos from getting them. And as I said remember what you think is an intruder may be a family memember. When my sisters husband was in the military they came home for a surprise on Mothers day one year getting in at 2am the surprise was on them when dad met her in the hallway with a colt 45, thankfully he wasnt trigger happy.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 6:39 PM

The fancy tech details and names of guns don't make no nevermind to me, as long as what comes out ain't from the end I'm lookin' at!!! Heck, sometimes I prefer the big, even old ones you can attach a nice long bayonet to...if it misfires, you have the option of pokin' or clubbing 'em! Good for cookin' or candle stick holdin' too.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 6:46 PM

Babe

good website I have their catalogs and use them often.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 7:20 PM

MeLange

reminds you of the boys on the playgroud doesnt it. They say the only difference in the men and the boys is the price of their toys and I believe that one.

By the way has your brother made it back yet or still waiting.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 7:37 PM

Just sharing information with no attempts at oneupmanship by anyone that I could tell.

-- Posted by D'oh on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 7:55 PM

MeLange

The men were talking about the size of their rifles...not their guns. giggle

-- Posted by Conservababy on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 8:01 PM

Hey Sportsmen....

I have a D Grade Fox. Nice little 12 guage, very good for trap and skeet, but I prefer a Puredy.

-- Posted by Semoan on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 8:05 PM

MeLange

My grandmother always kept a shotgun leaning in the corner beside her front door. I've always done the same.

-- Posted by Conservababy on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 8:06 PM

Babe,

I owe you an appology. I made fun of you and the SO gods being mean to you. I am just now able to pull up the semissourian site. So with deepest, heartfelt, groveling pleas for forgiveness. LOL

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 9:15 PM

C-baby & SEMOAN

You two are so sweet! I really needed the kind words today, so...THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart! And...HUGS!

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 9:33 PM

Playing Catch-Up Again...

C-baby

The night my sister was dying, she seemed to be talking to her child who had died as an infant, my husband who had died, and a dear friend of hers who had passed away (she was saying their names, as though she was actually meeting them again). Enough to bring shivers up and down my spine.

SEMOAN

What do I do if I'm not sure yet who I might vote for (Well, actually, I do know which one I won't vote for)? Guess I could start out driving with my lights on at night, then click them to bright...and when I try to switch them back to dim...they go OFF! No kidding...

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 9:40 PM

"I just hope everyone carried the safety on at home. trigger locks, keep them locked up with ammo seperate whatever it takes to keep the kiddos from getting them."

Homeowner to criminal in house: Wait a sec while I go take the trigger lock off my weapon and retrieve the ammo.

Criminal: Take your time. I'll be raping your wife whilst you attempt to accomplish all that.

Yea right. I keep my weapon loaded with one in the chamber at all times. It is kept wayyyy out of reach of any of the children AND they understand what it is used for. Not a toy. Never to be touched unless under direct adult supervision.

Weapons can be kept loaded in a home with no negative consequences. With some simple precautions and education, it is not a problem.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 10:01 PM

Pups--

I too miss a good round of "beauty parlor chitchat."

Hrm...

if you are baptized Catholic and the ex-communicate you are you still Catholic? or baptized?

It's like a chicken and the egg question...

I'm not Catholic...so it's a ponderous question.

-- Posted by Superbethie on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 10:02 PM

Bethie,

Good evening and hope all is well with you, bebe, and Mr Super.

No offense to you or babe, but can we find another term besides 'girl chat' and 'hair salon chat'??? How about just chat, or friendly chatter??? lol

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 10:07 PM

Instructor,

Parental responsibility is always a good thing. I would hope all gun owners had your intellegence with reguard to guns and children.

My parents did not have a gun in the house, but we were always taught they were not toys. Maybe it was my Mother's experience with WWII, but guns were for protection and hunting, but never play.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 10:13 PM

Bethie

I don't know about excommunication (assuming it means just what the word means), but do know that because my grandfather re-married after his divorce, he was no longer allowed to receive the sacraments, because the Church considered him as "living in sin." Grandpa went to Mass every Sunday, held various officer positions in the Kiwanis Club for most of his life, was very active in all the Church activities. But he could not receive Communion?

That doesn't sound very...um...logical, does it?

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 10:20 PM

Everyone in the house who is old enough (12+) including my wife knows how to handle the weapon and make it safe.

My fifteen year old daughter loves going to the range and shoots very well (on top of being very pretty!).

A woman firing a handgun is a beautiful thing. Gotta love it!

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 10:22 PM

Hi, Superbethie!

YES, if a person is excommunicated, etc, they remain baptised... (you can't be un-baptised!) It means that you can't receive the sacraments.... Like Snoops said, Once a Catholic, always a Catholic. I believe that the only way to become reinstated as a full participant, is to be reinstated by a Bishop.

A person who is divorced and remarries, or someone who marries a divorced person, is considered an adulterer and is automatically, excommunicated. I used to take all that, very seriously, until Jackie Kennedy was allowed to marry Ari Onassis (Who was divorced) and remain, a full member of the church. The rich, evidently, have exempting status, so that kind of broke the spell.

JERRY,

I have some friends, in the biz. I'll see what I can find out, about the quote.

-- Posted by Semoan on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 10:26 PM

Instructor

Agree with you 100%. However, realizing that many of today's parents do not have very good control over their children...Mine knew from the time they were toddlers what was off-limits, which included my bedroom where the loaded shotgun was always under the edge of the bed, and the lower kitchen cabinet doors. I guess that's the one thing I never understood...why parents seem to think an entire house belongs to the children. Why shouldn't they be taught that there are some things that are verboten? It's hard, though, to instill such discipline, and takes pretty much every moment of a parent's waking hours. But listen to the screams when the parents dare to go into the teenagers' rooms! LOL

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 10:32 PM

SEMOAN,

You are correct, the Catholic Church frowns on divorce, but is willing to give annulments (sp) instead. Though the whole idea that a marriage of 30 years and 5 kids (I believe the children are no longer recognized by the church from that point unless they 'convert' so to speak.) didn't happen in the eyes of the Church and God because of an anulment (sp) seems rather strange, but one does not question the Church. And if the marriage is annulled (sp) then both parties are free to remarry within the Church. (though I might be wrong on this one)

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 10:37 PM

Pups--

LOL..I only refer to it as "girl chat" with a slightly sarcastic smile. *grinz*

Things are going ok here...back in the tired phase. And wishing he'd get his foot out of my lungs sometime soon.

That would be the bebe...not Mr. Super. LOL

Guru--

Nope. Doesn't sound logical to me.

It also seems to bestow a power upon the church to judge whether or not something is "forgiveable."

Odd to me.

Semoan--

LOL..I didn't think you could be "un-baptised" really...but I figured it'd be dang convenient for them to "take it back." LOL. I have no idea why the earlier conversation caught my eye other than that it was about babies in any fashion. LOL.

-- Posted by Superbethie on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 10:39 PM

Donnie & Conservababy Fertilizer & big oil

Thank you for the info on animal waste products. I will have to check out the cow manure for $4.97 at Lowes. I have gotten most of my soil additives at Bucheitts. The Scott's Premium Top Soil states that it has no sticks or stones. While I didn't find twigs, or, any large limbs in it, it did have bits of chipped wood.

Donnie, sorry that you are leaving the area. Nothing is better than a little good ole chicken goo for the garden. It would be good to know a source for next year. I have spent a little too much on soil additives this year. You are right, when you spend money on fertilizers, and other additives, it does sort of defeat the economics of gardening. Then again, who knows were food prices are going. Everything is so high in the stores. I doubt that the producer is getting all that much of the price increase, but it is being taken by middlemen. Again, you are right about chicken goo. You do have to let it rest a bit before using it, it will burn the plants. Same goes for horse leave-behinds. Are you going to still be able to have chickens and fesh egss at your new place? That is my dream, to return to the country, and have a couple chickens, or, ducks. Would like fresh milk, but my memories of 4:30-5:30am milkings are not fond ones.

I have a childhood friend, who is coming back to southeast Missouri to see his family in May. He is a retired Air Force fighter pilot. I believe that he, too, is looking for a simpler life when he retires from his job in a couple of years.

Of course, these greedy globaist bast*rds and their oil buddies may force all of us into a more simpler life against our will.

I have never seen anything like this. I don't even think that the Rockefeller driven oil monopolies of the turn of the 20th Century can even compare to what we have now before us. Back then, there was Teddy Roosevelt to fight of the American people against that greedy clique and bust up the oil trust. Today, our president and vp are in bed with them, so there is no one to fight for us.

We can have $1.39 a gallon gas again, perhaps even 99cent gas, and oil companies will make money. The trouble is, that they will not end their greed gourging willingly. If things continue like this, I would not be at all surprised if some of the oil company execs and Wall Street gamblers may have unhappy (for them) outcomes. I don't know if it will be the little people striking back at them, or, if it will be larger interests who have been personally, or, professionally hurt by the greed of these oil men and the speculators on Wall Street.

In the 1930's, it was the little man, with criminals like Pretty Boy Floyd and Machine Gun Kelly who became heroes to the people for their actions, including robbing and kidnapping bankers who struck out at the greedsters of their time. If some of the oil company and corporate execs such as the CEO of Halliburton were targeted, I feel that we are approaching a time in America, whereby a majority of Americans would say "Good enough for them. They got what they deserved." I really do believe that it is getting bad and that many of us will be far worse off than those in the Great Depression.

If Ron Paul, or, Chuck Baldwin, the Constitution Party Candidate were elected. I would call off my dire predictions. Baldwin is pro-American jobs. Against off-shoring, against uneven trade agreements that hurt Americans, but make certain Americans very rich.

www.constitutionparty.org www.chuckbaldwinlive.com

"Chuck Baldwin Live is constitutionalist,Christian, pro-life, pro-traditional family, and patriotic. We support constitutional government and the Bill of Rights. We hold fast to the principles and values expressed by the Founding Fathers and the Declaration of Independence. "

On the site, you can listen to his interview with Senator Bob Smith, former Republican Senator from New Hampshire.

If it isn't Ron Paul, or, Chuck Baldwin, I will vote for "None of the above."

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 10:42 PM

SEMOAN

Same here...Apparently, with enough money (and perhaps influence), a Catholic can have their former marriage "annuled" so that they can re-marry. I hadn't realized that (Didn't know until adulthood why Grandpa didn't go to Communion); in Catechism class, we were under the impression that the only way the Church would give an annulment was if the marriage had not been "consummated."

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 10:43 PM

Bethie,

Just remember, once Bebe is born you have all the control. Right now, he knows he has free run of the 'house'. And remember when he is a teenager you can constantly remind him what he put you through. I know you might not be Catholic or Jewish, but guilt can do wonders. LOL

And of course, as his self appointed God-father, I'll be sure he knows as well. *grin*

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 10:51 PM

GurusMom,

Don't forget the most powerful man in England wasn't able to get an annulment, so he created his own Church so he could divorce his first wife. hehe

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 10:55 PM

LOL Pups--

I'll be sure to remind him that he spent the last six weeks with a foot lodged in my rib. *grinz wickedly*

And you'll have to think of all the things I've complained about to remind me of the ammo. LOL

It's weird---I'm ready for him to come on because it's uncomfortable...but I'm not ready because I'm worried I won't know what to do with him. LOL.

I know I'll do ok..it's just the realization that it is now very close. 4 weeks if he's on time...possibly less.

-- Posted by Superbethie on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 10:55 PM

Speaking of gas prices...several financial experts have pointed out that the McCain/Clinton cry for the temporary freeze on the federal gas tax is a feel-good bandaid which will save the average American driver $25-$35 over six months.

Instructor

Bless you, too, for helping your neighbor! However, IMHO, kindness is not a political issue for most people. The liberal side of my family is as apt to help someone just as much as the conservative side of my family. It's when they all get involved in government "help" that the division becomes more obvious, but not in their everyday lives. Know what I mean?

Me'Lange

Thank YOU for being the lovely person you are!

Pups

Very clever, but--It's okay...It's just the political times we're in right now that bring out the liberal/conservative thoughts/comments. I don't think any of us really believe someone is good or bad because of their political leanings (maybe just misguided? LOL). So far, IMO, everyone on here has a least a spark of kindness and generosity in their hearts...just that sometimes we have to search it out? ~wink~ I enjoy these "Random Acts of Kindness" stories. It takes so very little to do the things I like do...smile and say hello to a stranger--then see them smile while wondering "Do I know her?" Wave or wink at a child in a shopping cart, and see the parents smile proudly. I'm pretty positive you do the same things when you're out...at least, that's my impression of you--even if you do think you're a liberal. LMAO

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 10:56 PM

Think About This:

A. The number of physicians in the US is

700,000.

B. Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per

year is 120,000.

C. Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171. (US

Dept. of Health & Human

Services)

Then think about this:

A. The number of gun owners in the US is

80,000,000.

B. The number of accidental gun deaths per year

(all age groups) Is 1,500.

C. The number of accidental deaths per gun owner

is .0000188.

Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000

times more dangerous than

gun owners.

FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE

HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.

Please alert your friends to this alarming

threat. We must ban doctors

before this gets out of hand. As a public health

measure I have withheld

the statistics on lawyers for fear that the shock

could cause people to seek

medical attention.

-- Posted by Semoan on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 10:57 PM

GurusMom,

Please do NOT drive at night, with your lights off!

I know you haven't decided who to vote for yet, but it'll hit you, soon enough!

LOL!

-- Posted by Semoan on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 11:01 PM

Bethie,

That's the wonderful thing about the internet. Once you typed it, it was saved. I'll just do a search when He starts to misbehave. hehe

You are going to be a wonderful Mother, and you will know what to do. Besides you have a wonderful support network with Mr Super, your Mom, his Mom and the rest of the family.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 11:03 PM

Bethie, don't you just love the foot under the rib cage pain? No doubt by this time you've learned how to gently, gently ease that foot, slowly, slowly, to a different position?

I just had to share this with you: After my husband and I eloped to Miami, OK, I visited my favorite teacher (English and Literature), Sister Gabrielle. She advised me, in all confidence (she's gone now, so I guess it's okay to break her confidence), to think about not having our marriage "blessed" in the Church for a year or so...JUST in case it didn't work out. She was, indeed, one of the wonderful people who helped form the person I am today.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 11:04 PM

Pups,

Maybe I'll never be able to "un-Catholisize," but I'm MUCH better, now LOL!

Superbethie.... blessings, to you and bebe!

Good night, good folk!

-- Posted by Semoan on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 11:07 PM

Guru, I threw the political BS concerning helping others in the mix this morning to push some buttons. It worked. Well. Very well.

I managed to pi*s off several folks and had a good time in the process. Pups was one of them.....LOL

PS I can ALWAYS get a rise out of Theorist when I am involved in said shenanigans.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 11:07 PM

SEMOAN,

You are an extremely clever and witty person. You make me think, and as hard as that is at my age, it's a good thing.

Mmmm I don't own a gun, but I have a doctor. I might need to rethink it. hehe

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 11:09 PM

LOL Pups--you really sound like the "godfather." *grinz*

Guru--

LOL...I feel like a concrete block is on my chest. I have figured out how to move it..but he just gets mad...punches my bladder and sticks it right back. His little legs must be really long. LOL. And it sounds like the Sister most likely gave good advice---even if absolutely nothing went wrong. :)

-- Posted by Superbethie on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 11:10 PM

Instructor,

Now why did you go and ruin all the nice things I said about you???? LOL j/k BTW, wasn't pi*sed, just realed in. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 11:13 PM

Bethie,

You said, "but he just gets mad...punches my bladder and sticks it right back.",,, Sounds like Mr Super is going to have to have a heart to heart with Bebe, One does not do that to one's Mother. He is going to have some 'splaining' to do. LMAO

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 11:19 PM

ROFL..He is grounded. At least for the first few months. ;)

-- Posted by Superbethie on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 11:22 PM

-- Posted by shortwhitebaldguy on Tue, Apr 29, 2008, 10:10 pm CDT

"Brill,"

"Conjecture and opinion do not make fact. Just because someone states it does not make it fact either. Just because someone blogs it does not make it fact."

I agree with you 100%. I have never stated, to my recollection, that I had all the facts, but many facts that have led me to certain conclusions.

The Oklahoma City Bombing Facts

1. Democrat Senator Joseph Biden had an anti-terrorism bill in the Senate which had no support prior to April 18th, 1995. He was laughed at even by his own Democrat party members. After the bombing the bill passes, unquestioned, with even more stern amendments added to it.

2. An ABC affiliate from Louisiana started polling to find out if viewers were willing to give up freedoms in order to become more "secure."

3. The Saturday after the OKC bombing, an ABC affiliate held a town hall meeting of sorts with Bill Clinton and what seemed to be a younger crowd. One of the questions Clinton was asked by an ABC reporter was, "Now, that the OKC Bombing has occured, and with the recent assassination of Yitzah Rabin in Israel, is it time that Americans gave up their freedom of speech." This was a direct attempt to form the case for "hate speech." Alleging that the OKC bombing somehow resulted from hate speech, and the assassination of Isreal's Yitzah Rabin was attributed to hate speech, therfore, Americans should give up there freedom to stop hate speech which leads to terrorist attacks. I thought that line of questioning odd. I thought it very odd to poll people to see if they would give up their rights....to "be more secure." Why would that question even come up? Why not ask them if the government did all it could to protect the victims in the Murrah Building, but why ask them if they were NOW ready to give up rights?

4. It is documented, visually and aurally, that the BATF did have a paid informant inside the white supremist compound at Elohim City, OK. It is documented that Carol Howe, that informant, did report to her ATF handler that there was going to be a bomb attack on a federal building in Oklahoma. It is a fact that the ATF did ask the FBI for assistance to raid the Elohim City compound and that the FBI not only refused, but sternly warned, as in "Stay the hell away from Elohim City." It is documented and a fact that Carol Howe, the BATF informant, did state that Timothy McVeigh had been to the compound, had called the security chief, Andreas Strassmeir on several ocassions, but that McVeigh neither assembled the bomb, nor, was involved in the bombing. It is a fact, and it is documented that Carol Howe did identify the perps. The problem for the US government, is that all the perps whom she named were informing on their own group to the feds. Dennis Mahon, the leader of the white supremists at Elohim City told 60 Minutes that he was passed information to the feds from time to time. I saw the interview. Reverend Milar, another perp identified by Carol Howe, admitted on the stand during a trial in Oklahoma, that he was informing to the feds on this same group. Howe says that Milar was telling the 80-100 people at the compound that "If we don't attack the feds before April 18th, they will do the same thing to us as they did to the people at Waco." Apparently, the good Reverend Milar, was an agent provocateur. Howe identified Andreas Strassmeir was a German national, a military officer, who came to the US looking for links between the white supremists, neo-nazis, and the resurgence of Nazism in Germany. He stated to the CIA that there were financial and other links between the US crowd and the neo-nazis in Germany. Allegedly, the CIA told Strassmeir to talk to the FBI, or, the NSA (National Security Agency) about inflitrating the American Nazis. Strassmeir makes contact with them in North Carolina and eventually shows up at Elohim City and becomes their security cheif. This is all fact, not conjecture. I do believe that the reason that the FBI sternly warned the ATF to stay the hell away from Elohim City is because it was infested with fed informants, and the FBI was working on something that they thought was important, either to the agency, to make themselves look good to Congress, or, for some other reason. That is conjecture on my part, but it seems to make sense. Strassmeir was interviewed in Germany about Elohim City. He would not say much, but he said that there had been a request by Timothy McVeigh's attorney, Jones, for Strassmeir to return to the US and testify in court. He told ABC that the Clinton State Department REFUSED to issue him a visa so that he could appear in court. I saw that interview.

God, there is so much more facts, such as video footage from the day of the attack whereby the local media is saying that the FBI has stopped the search party while they carry out a Second, then, a THRID bomb. There is video footage of that.

There is so much more, and we haven't even touched upon the attacks of September 11th, 2001. I stop now, only because I fear that I have already exceeded your scroll limit. teehee.

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 11:27 PM

Bethie,

LMAO,,, it is soooo good to see you today. Thank you for always bringing a smile to my day!!

Mom,

I agree with SEMOAN, no driving without lights at night. Well if my siblings are riding with you, you can occassionally turn off the headlights to scare them. That would be ok, hehehe (did that sound like the bratty sibling thing to say??? lol ) Just make sure Pops isn't along when you do it. (have to have your word against theirs defense.)

Everyone have a safe and great night. See ya'll tomorrow. (SpeakOut gods willing!!!!)

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Apr 30, 2008, at 11:31 PM

"Going to Temple"

You asked about my avatar. It represents the grim reality, that the Israeli lobbies in the US are very, very powerful. They are power brokers and can kill off a candidate in a heartbeat. Just ask former Republcian Senator Chuck Percy from Illionis. In fact, Senate and Congressional candidates live in fear of the Israeli lobbies, patronize them and even make pilgrimages to Israel to recieve their blessings prior to an election because they don't want to be "Percized." Meaning that the Israeli lobblies defeated Senator Percy because Percy had voted for a plan to sell military fighter aircraft to Saudi Arabia. That is when that dapper, bow-tie wearing Paul Simon was elected Senator in a defeat of the popular Percy.

Nancy Pelosi spoke to one Israeli lobby, and was booed when she spoke about Iraq. She raced back to Washington and took out a provision in pending legislation that would have required the war crimminal bush to go back to Congress before he attacked Iran. Pelosi had caved in to the Israeli special interests lobby.

The Israeli lobby and their special intersts, and camp followers such as Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Richard Perle, Frederick Kagan, Dannielle Pletka, and a host of others were responsible in large part, for the decision to attack the people of Iraq. When Bush's father put together the Iraq Study Group, a definite ploy to get his son off the Iraq hook and look reasonably good in doing so, they, particularly Kagan, his wife, Kim Kagan, and Dannielle Pletka were the ones who came up with the surge plan.

I used to be a unquestioning supporter of Israel, until two things happened in my life. I began to hear radio interviews and read articles by many of the survivors of the deliberate attempt by Israel to sink a US Naval ship, the USS Liberty, on June 8th, 1967, and reading two non-fiction works by a former Israeli Mossad agent, Victor Ostrosky. His books opened my eyes. So, now, I am not a supporter of Israel, but I have become a questioner. I intensely resent any foreign government having so much sway over our political process, and American policy.

My favorite people who are, or, were Jewish?

Cary Grant

Jon Stewart

Jack Benny

Lewis Black ( he and his mother & father HATE Paul Wolfowitz. Lewis should be at the top of my list)

Mel Brooks

Joe Cocker

Curly Howard...and, all of the 3 Stooges.

Bob Dylan

Carrie Fisher

Billy Joel

Barry Manilow

Leonard Nemoy

Suzanne Pleshette (hubba hubba)

Lou Reed

Paul Reiser

William Shatner (killed his wife, you gotta love him)

Dinah Shore

Neil Diamond

Gilda Ratner

Gene Wilder

John Banner

Katey Segal

Peter Sellers

Kenny G

Tony Curtis

Pinky Lee

Bea Authur

Art Garfunkel

Michael Bolton

Neil Sedaka

Victor Ostrosky

and... Jeffery Siegel, one of my very best Marine Corps friends in Vietnam.

Point is, I like them because of their creativity, their talents, or, their deeds. Not because they are Jewish, because most of them have never made that an issue, or, became ultra political, to my knowledge, about Israel. They were Americans first, or, that is the way that I saw it, and I like it that way. America first. An America, that MAY occasionaly help another nation without expecting anything in return, is what I would dearly like to see. An America that may help another nation, without causing harm to the enemy of that nation, unless that enemy had physically attacked us. That is not the case with Iraq. Israel wanted Iraq disassembled. They want Americans to do the same to Iran. I am a big believer in minding our own business, when we have not been harmed. Neither Iraq, nor, Iran has harmed the United States, without the government of the United States harming them first.

The Israeli lobby is too powerful, and attempt to classify all critism of them, or, of Israel as anti-semitism. I don't buy that, and will never acede to such skulduggery.

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 12:19 AM

I could see where a laser on a shotgun could pose a benefit while engaged in a night time operation on an interior structure. Especially, if you were using slugs solo, or, where '00' and slugs were alternately chambered. I have wondered about flashlights afixed to shotguns. I wonder if a person were well secreted and saw a flashlight sweeping back and forth in an area, that they could approximate the pivotal point of the sweep and start firing at what they tought was about head/neck height and rapidly bring the fire down that point from top to about groin height, moving the muzzle slightly so that all rounds did not impact exactly on the pivotal point.

I have no interior experience. I was just wondering. If you had no exit,were sure to be discovered, and did not intend to surrender, it seems like it could be a recourse in an attempt to at least take someone with you.

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 1:02 AM

Great article, Snoops. Thank you. I have been saying this for years, no one listens. Why would they? Now that Hayden is saying it, I wonder if the greed minded, Iraq-Iran-Afghanistan obsessed SOB's in the bush regime will even notice.

China, India, and Russia have been engaged in cooperative maneuvers. I posted over a year ago, that China and Russia had a major exercise going. They finally announced to the US press that we should not worry, that it was an anti-terrorism exercise. One of the troubling factors, however, is that they were using Interncontinental missiles. Talk about overkill for a few terrorists, until you realize that the terrorists for whom they secretly plan against, is us.

First joint Russian - Chinese maneuvers on RUSSIAN territory were held in 2007. There were previous joint exercises. Yet the dummies will say that the Chinese NEED our economy. No one NEEDS a dying economy with no growth, no production, and a dollar that is not only in the toilet, but is near to being best used in the toilet. China has many options, we have very few.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/08/1...

This is an article from 2005. No one was listening in the war crazed bush regime then, when joint Russian and Chinese exerecises took place in China.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/08/19/n...

Perhaps, the Chinese and the Russians will wipe that smirk off the war criminals face and erradicate some of these globalist, war profiteers for us one day and let us go about being free, once again. On the otherhand, if the Chinese and the Russians defeat us, as they surely can, especially if they have help from India, then who really knows what a post-war, devastated America will look like. One thing is for sure, we will mind our own business, because we will no longer be the bully on the world block. We may be conquered, we may face very difficult times, and whether we would be "free" is very much in doubt.

That is why I "preach" against these insane plots that the bush regime cooks up. It just ******-off the ****** on people, and one day, they will make you pay for your sins. If we minded our own business, and kept a short leash on the war profiteers, war mongers, globalists, and corporations, we would not be in this mess that we are now.

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 1:21 AM

REAL ID bill ALERT...they are holding hearings in CONGRESS now, and in Missouri, Gov. soon to be gone BLUNT, is trying to get the Senators to defeat an ANTI_REAL_ID bill that passed in the Missouri House.

So, contact your Missouri State Senator and tell that Senator to vote FOR the ANTI-REAL ID BILL in the Missouri Senate. It won't be easy, because the Republicans in the Missouri Senate don't think that southeast Missouri is important.

Don't believe me? Go to the Missouri Senate's LOOK UP YOUR SENATOR page, enter your zip code, such as 63701, and it will reply that we are not in their database.

http://www.senate.mo.gov/llookup/leg_loo...

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Thu, May 1, 2008, at 1:40 AM


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