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Speak out 4/21/08

Monday, April 21, 2008

Illinois obstacles

THE SHAWNEE National Forest and the Cache River Wetlands area are both obstacles to building a four-lane interstate between Cape Girardeau and Paducah, Ky. Maybe an act of Congress can cut through these obstacles, but it has not happened in the last 10 years.

Let them eat ...

A MODIFICATION of Queen Marie Antoinette's classic phrase might today be in order for those peasants who today complain of a food shortage: "Let them eat ethanol."

Going to church

THIS IS in response to the person who complained that girls at her church wear their prom dresses to church the day after prom. Maybe they wanted their church friends to see them in their dresses. Maybe they figured it would be fun. Maybe they decided they wanted to get at least one more wearing out of that expensive dress. Who knows why they did it? What is wonderful is that these young women are going to church in a time when many teens don't.

Next, brain surgery

MISSOURI IS showing the way again. If there's a looming teacher shortage, what's the solution? Simple, according to legislators. Make it easier for anyone to teach. I hope this trend catches on with other professions. I'm getting too old to go back to school and go through all of the rigamarole, but I always wanted to be a brain surgeon.

Food shortages

THERE ARE lots of stories in the media about biofuels causing food inflation. There is a small truth in this, but it is not the major cause. High fuel prices are the main reason food prices in the grocery store are going up. It takes lots of fuel to move processed food to the grocery. The second reason is that more than a million people per week are becoming middle class in China and India. They are buying more food and running up the price of food. Rice and wheat are the two grains in shortest supply, and they are not used for biofuel.

Wasting fuel

I THINK it is ironic that all you hear is that gasoline prices are too high. There are so many people running around on clear nights with their fog lights on. Don't they know that any extra lights or equipment puts a strain on the alternator and requires more horsepower to run it, thus a little worse gas mileage?

Safety for our children

WHEN IS the city going to put up a stop sign at Mason Street and Highway 177? I live on that corner, and the traffic is ridiculous. My children, along with all the other children in this neighborhood, do not have anywhere to play without walking all the way up the hill to Washington Park. There is an open field across Main Street that could be used for a park for the people that live in the area.

Flashy signs

SEVERAL MONTHS ago there were a lot of comments about the new electronic signs that churches and businesses are getting with messages that scroll across. I made a point of looking at them. After five or six months of looking at these things, I don't think they're nearly as effective at promoting a message as a regular sign. I've asked other people, because I thought maybe it was just me. They all agreed. The message is longer, and as you drive by you don't get a snapshot of the whole thing. These signs are flashy they catch your attention, but you don't get the whole message the way you do with other signs.

How did he do that?

I'M GLAD to read that Josh Bill put Shawnee National Forest in the middle of Southern Illinois just to block our road from Cape Girardeau to Paducah, Ky. But my question is, how did he do it?


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hurray for Josh Bill !!

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 6:54 AM

Where's the beef?

-- Posted by Observer1 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 9:05 AM

God bless, teaching is not brain surgery.

-- Posted by SWBG on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 9:25 AM

a little worse gas mileage. Love this, was it the brain surgeon teacher that taught this poster proper grammer or maybe they slept in a Holiday Inn Select.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 9:32 AM

Not much to comment on in the speak out column today. Did anyone feel the earthquake this morning? Supposedly the 18th one since Friday.

-- Posted by all_i_hear_is_blah_blah on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 9:33 AM

What time was this Earthquake and what did it register this time?

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 9:35 AM

Hey, all. Everyone have a good weekend? I spent mine in the great outdoors with my son and his Scout Troop!

-- Posted by LittleMac on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 9:40 AM

12:38 a.m. It registered at 4.5

-- Posted by all_i_hear_is_blah_blah on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 9:40 AM

Didn't feel a thing, probably would have though if I had been awake. Just got in yesterday and was exhausted, so was pretty knocked out.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 9:45 AM

..all i can say for sure is those earthquakes are no fault of mine !!

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 10:06 AM

Good morning Everyone!

All I hear...., I was in deep R.E.M., to feel anything. Do you know if all these tumors are still being generated from the Wabash fault, or are they coming from the New Madrid fault, as well?

Little Mack, sounds like you had a very nice weekend. A little cool for camping, for me. My guy went to the lake and I got some relaxing, alone, time and catch up, on housework! It was a GOOD weekend!

-- Posted by Semoan on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 10:11 AM

news says they quake came from Wabash ..

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 10:17 AM

that post made no sense at all

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 10:18 AM

MISSOURI IS showing the way again.--

This may be a bitter sweet answer, but all and all with a sagging economy, I feel it is an appropriate answer.

That being said, the city needs to begin De-regulating home business laws and allow folks to do business from home. Additionally, it would be helpful to recant the law on farm animals in the city limits.

Everyone talks about Jackson, well...Jackson is very liberal with these laws and allows folks to put up those storage sheds to do business.

Mayor and City Council-It's our property, let us do with it what we please!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 10:39 AM

...huh?

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 10:41 AM

SWBG—If there's nothing to being a teacher, why is it that many places have a shortage?

-- Posted by RocketSurgeon on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 10:49 AM

Rocket Surgeon. I think the answer to your question is three, if not four fold.

1. The attitude of the kids

2. The attitude of the parents

3. The attitude of the school systems.

4. The attitudes of those wanting to teach.

Clearly defined: Greed, disrespect, lack of discipline, and personal agenda.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 10:55 AM

Wasting fuel--

??? LOL

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 10:58 AM

Jerry66—

Good response, and I concur. Also, teaching CAN be developed, but to be an outstanding educator is a talent that one is born with. Unfortunately, many good ones have left to better provide for their families.

-- Posted by RocketSurgeon on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 11:00 AM

Re:wasting fuel

I turned off the fog lights in my SUV. Now I get 14.0000078 MPG! Thanks!

-- Posted by MoxFulder on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 11:03 AM

Re: Food shortages

It's not a secret but it's not been very well reported on that we are entering something like the 3rd year of a worldwide famine. We eat more than we produce overall globally. It's just another part to the perfect storm of feces we are entering.

-- Posted by MoxFulder on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 11:05 AM

Rocketsurgeon, Money isn't "always" the answer, I would hope that most educators are not teaching just for the money. (And I think most educators know that you don't get into teaching for the money)

Sure, like the rest of us, we all need more money due to the financial burdens put on us by a failing economy and higher healthcare costs. The problems are perpetual, but the key factor that has been lost in the "entire" spectrum is pride in what we do.

Of course at this leads into values, home life, and yes..my conversation about the Blue Law. Dang! I'm to the point I need to write a book about all of this. LOL

IMO, the bottom line is...If we have a values system in place similar to what we had in the 1950s, (in regards to work ethic, family values, and economy...we'd be a lot better off.) I think ;o)

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 11:13 AM

Was there actually a speakout today? I got everyone's comments (I'm guessing) but no actual Speak Out column. Hmmm... Something funny's going on here!

-- Posted by Maxine_the_Magnificent on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 11:16 AM

Mox,

They were just talking about farmers in PA selling their businesses because they weren't making any money.

So, if we are having a food shortage now (and I know we are)...what's going to in 5 years? Also, I read an article over the weekend that Opec was hoping to boost the cost of oil to $300 per barrel in 10-years...won't that be great!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 11:19 AM

Jerry66

the comment about the schools/teachers is totally correct. I am a teacher and those are all why I have chosen a job where I can teach but not be in the class throughout the entire day. Kids and parents are very disrespecful. For me personally I can deal with a rude student but a rude parent is totally different.

Also didn't feel any of the quakes. Felt the after shock Friday but that was it......have a great day. It is another beautiful day.

-- Posted by lovemyfamily on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 11:21 AM

Survivor,

Just a question for you...So, would it be safe to say that having a "better environment" to teach in, is worth more than better pay? It's just a question...

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 11:34 AM

Indeed, what is it going to be like in 5 years? Not good at all if we keep going the way we are.

Last week the UN put out a 'worldwide food shortage' plea and asked for half a billion dollars by May 1st to help feed underdeveloped nations. The next day Bush sent them $200 million towards that. The problem with that is that there is no place for them to buy the food from. Most 'underdeveloped' nations have already shut down their exports to keep what they grow for themselves. The US still is exporting so we basically just sent folks the money to buy our food from us..so now our food prices will go even higher because we just sent our food elsewhere.

Thanks guys! Now we are going to pay at least twice for our own food!

-- Posted by MoxFulder on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 11:39 AM

I do care about other people not having food, however I really think we need to keep the food here for our country. Noone else is going to take care of us, and we should be looking out for our country first, and those who are going hungry before worrying about other countries. Sorry if this offends anyone, but we have lots of people here who need help just as badly.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 11:46 AM

Absolutley agree! We already import 30% of our food, if we are the only ones exporting and we can't feed ourselves...

Remember, you can't eat money.

-- Posted by MoxFulder on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 11:53 AM

Jerry,

I think the city of Cape will deregulate home businesses, when they decide how best, to tax it... heh heh!

-- Posted by Semoan on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 11:57 AM

and another optimistic day in speak-out!!

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 12:01 PM

Soon the day will come when we can't feed the world anymore.As will the day when we can't send billions in foreign Aid to Countries who's leaders keep it for themselves and their cronies.And soon the day will come when we will be forced to close our Borders.

Most of all soon the dead dead dinasaurs will run out

and the 1st world nations will fight over it.After that there will be far less people left to use much of anything!Because I am in my 50s I never really considered the possibility that I would see these things I mentioned.I am beginning to think I am WRONG!

But hey!,I should'nt be so negative should I?

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 12:13 PM

Greywolf

It's kind of hard not to get negative these days with the way the economy is going. I try not to, yet it is very hard.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 12:17 PM

no food but Cape will have a water park

Heh heh heh heh heh heh!

not supposed to feed the kids

before they swim

-- Posted by Stirring_the_Pot on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 12:25 PM

Aggie,

I certainly agree with that!

lately I have seen too much negativity

and I am really doing my best to try to

stay more positive.With all thats is happening

with this economy and income staying stagnant I find

it more and more difficult to make the same ends meet.

I am absolutely sure most of the rest of the folks here are in the same Boat!This boat were all in Im afraid may not land at any port anytime soon.I pray

we all can keep things positive and endure these economic adjustments.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 12:28 PM

Sunbeam

Same here...There are no Speak Out posts, just comments. Very wierd...

Mox, Aggie, GREY

Good points--especially the comment about us sending money to other countries so they can buy our food. Clever!

At some point in time, it seems like our government would decide whether to take care of our country and citizens, or other countries. But then, I've been thinking that for many years...and going back to the old "Charity begins at home."

Is this right...We're borrowing money from China, and sending money for foreign aid and food shortages in other countries? That doesn't sound like a very good economical plan, does it?

Stirring

Funny! Recreation over food...It's called priorities, isn't it? LOL

-- Posted by gurusmom on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 12:52 PM

If anyone can give me an answer. Why spend the money developing agriculture in these areas? John Deere and all of these other companies would be able to create for production wouldn't they? Additionally, these countries would still need the grain and seed to grow. I just don't understand a lot of this. The answer would appear simple, but the politicians seems to make it a complex situation.

It seems like that 200 million could have been sent to John Deere and some grain companies with a note saying, "Ship ex-amount of this and that."

Then attached to the grain and the tractors a note saying, "Go forth and prosper"

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 1:10 PM

Nall,

So you condone sending 200 million to help other countries, but don't condone helping your fellow country men? We have the same problems here, as these third world countries do, but just not on such a grand scale.

Trust me, children die of starvation in America everyday.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 1:12 PM

James Nall I want you to pay me back every cent of MY MONEY that has went into YOUR POCKET of the Social Security that I pay in. You forget that me and every other working person pays that for you and you said earlier that you recieve it. If you want this fend for yourself world start with that by paying us all back

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 1:22 PM

oh yeah and the medicare too

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 1:24 PM

WhoMe

Where have you been?? There are alot of people that can barely feed their families. What about our homeless, not all people ignore their children and spend it on things they shouldn't. Yes their are some who don't feed and take care of their kids like they should. I would bet their are more who try though and can barely do it without someone's help.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 1:31 PM

Wow, how do I say this without sounding cold hearted? Ok, here goes, feeding underprivileged and socially declining countries is not always the best course of action. Assisting them in learning crop rotation and irrigation techniques makes much more sense. When I was a young man (21 y/o) I was sent to Somalia as part of the 101st Abn Div during operations to “restore hope” in accordance with UN resolution 794. Once there we realized that beyond the bag of rice we were handing out there was no “Plan B” for next year. This was later realized and UN resolution 814 was intended for a more nation building service but it just didn’t happen. Most of these situations happen because of drought or famine or some man-made disaster. More often times than not allowing the situation to play itself out to a natural course will reduce the population to a level that the landmass and economy can sustain. In these types of scenarios a well meaning nation like ours runs in and props up the local demographic with artificial (not coming from their land) sustenance and the population actually grows even more beyond the sustainable threshold. So unless you are willing to stay forever (no longer an option for a bankrupt economy likes ours) the well meaning are simply forcing more to starve to death than would have if left alone. Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for life. I realize it would be a tough choice to make but the real life facts are we just can’t run the world.

-- Posted by Donnie on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 1:35 PM

If I had my way about Social Security that I pay in I would put it in my own savings so that when I do retire, if I am ever able to, that I would have it. As it is now all the money I pay in and have paid in might or probably won't even be there for me when I do get to retire. People that draw it and never paid a dime to get it really **** me off and I don't think it's right that they do get it.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 1:49 PM

Ag/Twig,

I think you are correct about those who get aid, still can't make it. I couldn't imagine a single mother of 3 making it on aid and still paying for rent, utilities, and fuel and insurance on an old car...not too mention healthcare. Furthermore, if that same mother has a full-time minimum wage job at McDonald's she'd be hard pressed.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 1:58 PM

Donnie,

Would you not agree that half of that 200 million (maybe even more) will not even make it to it's proper distination due to War Lords and other type folk?

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 2:01 PM

Jerry66

That is exactly right. I know several people that have kids, that are single parents and can't even get help because they work at a min wage job, they are told they make to much money to qualify for help, yet they struggle to barely make ends meet. This whole system is so screwed up, and I wonder if and when it will ever be fixed.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 2:02 PM

James Nall, I believe too, it should not be the government's place, to provide a living for it's citizens, but it SHOULD be the governments responsibility, to make policy which provides the opportunity for it's citizens to work and prosper.

Our foreign policies have stunk, for many years, because those highest, in our government are more concerned with making sweet deals for themselves and the country seems to be, just an after thought.

Donnie, well said! I certainly, agree!

-- Posted by Semoan on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 2:05 PM

There are NO hungry or homeless people in the USA...except by choice.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 2:07 PM

Jerry

Its been my experience that the overwhelming vast majority of aid does not get to the intended people. Even on case that it does it is only a very short stay in a hard execution. Maybe my experience is the exception but I've never seen it work correctly outside our borders. In the real world that massive aid isn't for the starving, its for the politicians in Washington to make a soundbyte and look good for the cameras.

-- Posted by Donnie on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 2:11 PM

Ag & Twig,

"If I had my way about Social Security that I pay in I would put it in my own savings so that when I do retire, if I am ever able to, that I would have it."

I wholeheartedly, agree! Our legislators are allowed to invest their SS money in stocks, but the rest of us, are not allowed to do this..... We plebeians, are just too, effing stupid, to take care of ourselves!

-- Posted by Semoan on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 2:11 PM

Babe

I have to disagree with you, there are some homeless out there that would rather be in a home, but can't. I do also think that there are some out there that choose that option. I have met and seen to many out there that are homeless and do not choose it.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 2:12 PM

re: let them eat.....

"The original The French is Qu'ils mangent de la brioche. It has been suggested that the speaker's intention wasn't as cynical as is generally supposed. French law required bakers to sell loaves at fixed prices and fancy loaves had to be sold at the same price as basic breads. This was aimed at preventing bakers from selling just the more profitable expensive products. The let them eat brioche (a form of cake made of flour, butter and eggs) would have been a sensible suggestion in the face of a flour shortage as it would have allowed the poor to eat what would otherwise have been unaffordable. It's rather a mouthful, so to speak, but if the phrase had been reported as 'let them buy cake at the same price as bread' we might now think better of the French nobility."

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 2:14 PM

Aggie, Twiggy

We have three basic needs...food, shelter and clothing. We have too many safety nets in the USA for anyone to be denied...except if it is their choice.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 2:22 PM

There is no worldwide food shortage.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 2:24 PM

Babe

You are so wrong. There are people out there that DEo Not get everything they need. I know this for a fact. mYes they are suppose to be helped or provided for, But that doesn't mean they get it.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 2:25 PM

excuse me I meant DO

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 2:26 PM

Aggie/Twiggy

What do these people, of which you speak, need? Be specific, please?

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 2:30 PM

James Nall, yes. indeed! I have a copy of the declaration of Independence, framed and mounted!

-- Posted by Semoan on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 2:30 PM

They do not have a home, they do not receive help for food unless they can get to a place that gives a free meal, or help to pay for their home or the expenses that go with it. They work where they will be hired, but who wants to hire someone homeless.

I also when I was younger made $60.00 a week and had a baby to take care of, yet I didn't qualify for food stamps or any other aid because I made to much money. If it wasn't for the fact that my parents let me move back in with them I would have been homeless, without food, or any medical care.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 2:35 PM

Babe, you are either naive or so predisposed to dogma that you can't see the truth. It doesn't help the conservative cause to be preposterous.

I really, really, dislike most public assistance programs because there are so many that are abused. The taxpayers get stuck with so much that we shouldn't. There is, however, real poverty in many parts of the US, and the reasons are complex. Many Indian reservations are cesspools of poverty--you would be amazed at the living conditions. Also, there are some places in Appalachia you wouldn't want to even see. It is incredible. Yes, much of it is generational, and some is situational. But, it does exist, and usually the elderly and children are affected.

We as a country could do a much better job taking care of those who are truly in need if we didn't support so many who could take care of themselves. Conservatives should be finding a way to eliminate the fat in public assistance, and start providing help to those truly in need, and leaving the enabling to the Democrats.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 2:44 PM

Yep deregulate home businesses. I would love to have a candle business next door.

-- Posted by insider63785 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 2:44 PM

Babe,

There are many, many people in the good old USA that are literally starving for lack of food. Some are the elderly who are unable and/or do not understand how to get aid. Some have too much too qualify, but cannot make ends meet. Consider the children of parents who are struggling. How do they get food when they are hungry. Blame their parents? Will that get them lunch? Your comments are very obtuse! Your back to the "I got to take care of me and mine" mentality.

-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 2:48 PM

Babe,

In part I agree but not all "by choice"!

There are many very disturbed and mentally

disfunctional human beings who have fallen

through the social cracks and you know it!

Be less disconsiderate and think before you

put your words in gear.You know the system

fails and you know that there are many many

people who have been forgotten right here in the

land of "have it all".The less then 1 and 1/2 percent of the National budget that is indeed foreign aid

could help in many ways find those individuals and

bring them help if only we kept it here at home.

Too often we share the wealth but get nothing in return.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:05 PM

JamesNall

I do help out as much as I can thank you very much, Do you?? I have several family members who need help, plus not to mention when we are out on the road, if we someone in need of assistance and help them we do. Not always money, because there are alot out there who act like they need help, but probably make more than I do. For example, if someone comes to me for food, I will buy them a meal or need gas for there vehicle, put gas in there car. There are alot of things you can do to help people, I do not expect the government to pick up all the tabs, I don't think they should, some get it who shouldn't. There are alot who need help, that don't get it.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:09 PM

Babe,

Provided that you are now eligible for SS, are you willing to renounce it's benefits? After all, it is a form or "socialistic" aid.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:14 PM

Babe,

You also said, "There is no worldwide food shortage."

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, 1:24 pm CDT

Do you have proof of this?? I'd like to see your source.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:16 PM

FYI Babe,

Your "man" Rush Limbaugh said on NATIONAL RADIO that some grocery stores in California were actually rashioning food.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:17 PM

oops rationing.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:18 PM

James Nall, I would stack up my charitable giving against yours any day. I support many community organizations who provide assistance, as well as many domestic church-related mission opportunities. Don't be crass.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:19 PM

Longtime resident, I'm not talking about that type of homebusiness. I'm talking about folks who want to be barbars, hairdressers, ect.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:21 PM

James

That is what we do, or at least try to do. If we see someone that needs help and we can help we do so.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:22 PM

EVERYONE,

Remember...BABE sometimes likes to say things just for the shock value. LOL (we hope) Surely no one could be "that" naïve.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:26 PM

James Nall,

"I know why, you think that force (government) should be used to take from producers by means of a gun if necessary and handed over to those that government finds wanting."

In defence of Y and Ag & Twig, I don't believe either of them have that attitude, at all. Babe's remarks seem narrow, predisposed in dogma and lacking of experience.

I remember, as a young, pregnant bride, going hungry a few times, when my husband was a private in the US Military..... luckily, the pay scale has gone up, a little, since then.

-- Posted by Semoan on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:28 PM

Nall, you're married to BABE....aren't you? LOL

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:28 PM

LOL Jerry

I guess I'm in a mood today, it's just that I see alot of things when we are out on the road and on TV that is just wrong, and I let it get the better of me.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:29 PM

Foot in mouth disease once again by Babe I see.

James Nall: What do you think I will receive of the money I pay in do the math I am 27 now and they estimate that I will be able to retire at 70. You have the everyone for themselves attitude but you sure don't have a problem taking the hand out of SS can you say oxymoron???

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:29 PM

Ag/Twig...now you finally realize why I get sooo frustrated...and curse even. LOL

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:31 PM

Jerry

Aggie is usually the one who gets so heated up, so to speak.

I Twiggy, usually don't say much, but this time I have alot to say. Sometimes I can be a little nasty or get heated up, but try not to most of the time.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:33 PM

I have traveled a lot in my time too. My dad has this saying, "Poor people have poor ways." It true what you say about the Appalachians, but I think we have that in our own back yards if we look close enough.

I'm telling ya..there are folks here in Cape Girardeau who can't afford a telephone, a computer, a car....nothing. It's hard to get a job not having those things. Being in the funeral profession, I've encountered the poorest of the poor here and acrossed the US.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:36 PM

LOL...how about just moron? LOL

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:38 PM

Super Uber Oxy whichever pre-fix you prefer

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:39 PM

GreyWolf

You know very well that the mentally ill were chased out of institutions in the name of liberal mindset that it was abusive. So now they are on the street with instructions to take their medications. I will agree that the vast majority of "homeless" people are mentally ill. But 'government' gave them a choice. Are you willing for them to be cared for in institutions again?

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:40 PM

I see that in TRUE Babe fashion she is too busy using her hand to pry her foot out of her mouth to type anything.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:41 PM

Babe,

Do you currently receive ANY benefits provided for by the taxpayers and the United States Government?

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:42 PM

Me'lange,

If you're reading of this...pull yourself away from that dang paper and take a break! LOL

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:43 PM

Buck,

I'm sure she'll reserve the right to not answer my questions.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:45 PM

I take back my last post about that

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:45 PM

Wait no nevermind she posts things that make people mad and refuse to justify her comments in a true CONSERVATIVE fashion! but yet SHE gets offended when we call her out

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:46 PM

I'm getting sick of thinking faster than I can type. **** it! I've made another word omission!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:47 PM

Jerry, The funeral business?

Oh... and I had such near respect for you! LOL!

Dying is too darned expensive, any more!

... and I think caskets should be outlawed! How long is our mother Earth going to be able to sustain this egotistical tradition?

-- Posted by Semoan on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:47 PM

I've still yet to hear why a person cannot receive shelter, clothing and food in this good old USA.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:50 PM

Oh, about the so called 'worldwide food shortage'....there is not one....it's just a little matter of distribution.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:52 PM

OK...I'm taking a break. I'm getting ready to watch a film called, "A Crude awakening:the oil crash" I'll be back later to ***** and complain some more. LOL

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:52 PM

Babe

As I said earlier or meant to becuase they are DEINIED

help as I know I was.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:53 PM

Babe, you got it wrong.

The mentally ill, were kicked out of the institutions, because it was too expensive to keep them there. Instead, the money goes for "earmark funding," so career politicians can give sweet deals to major campaign supporters and build monuments to themselves.

-- Posted by Semoan on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:57 PM

Babe,

come on girl thats ridiculous!No body chased anyone

anywhere.This isn't a liberal or conservative issue,

its a human issue!I am so sick of liberal/conservative attitudes when it comes to this sort of thing.Most of these folks we are discusing have never seen an institution much less a doctor!

Their Families walked away in many cases.Contrary to your beliefs Babe,there are many people in this Country

that don't understand the word "choice".

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:58 PM

Aggie/Twiggy

Specifics please? Who denied them what? Did the government deny them food, shelter and clothing? Did the charitable organizations deny them also? What kind of NEEDS are you speaking of...a home with a picket fence, phone, computer, tv, groceries, car etc?

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:58 PM

Well Babe not that its ANY of ur business but I was approved for State help with Food Stamps. I told my case worker I lived with my parents but paid my part of the bills. I was approved for Food Stamps. Two years later I had to pay back ALL of that amount of around 2500.00 that I received because they made an error. Now no matter how badly I need those services I cannot receive them because I have been black listed.

Here is another example. I tried to apply for WIC seeing as I am now pregnant to help with some of the costs of basic items ie milk and other dairy products since its esstential to a healthy pregnancy and also after the baby gets here for help with formula. We can't receive that help because my husband and I make more that 1500 a month before we pay our bills and taxes come out. All of this assistance is factored using your Gross income not your net. If they just took the time to actually count up people's incomes after they pay the necessary evils in life they would see where there are more people that truly do need help and would not abuse the system.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 3:59 PM

Buckmaster...... You crack me up!

ROFLMAO!

-- Posted by Semoan on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:00 PM

SEMOAN *sigh*...dang you! I'll never get to watch this thing. LOL.

Semoan, this was just one of the reasons I got out of the funeral profession. Yes, it is over priced considing my pay..(yea..i know complain complain complain) but did you realize most funeral homes do not provide their employees with any benefits? They make enough and can afford it.

Also, there WILL be a time when cremation will be the only option, it's coming! Just look at Cape City, most of the cemeterys here are almost at capacity. Just think about the BIG cities. (New York, LA, etc)

Statistically, we have been told the death rate will multiply 2-3 fold in the next 10 years. Something will have to been done. Add a depression onto that and matters will be worse.

Longtime Resident...Home business? Yep, de-regulate that home business option and put the "Home" back into funeral home, and I'll guarantee you the price of funerals will drop. Until then...expect the price of those things to sky rocket too.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:00 PM

No Babe the specifics are live in a car have your baby taken away or live with someone else because the government is too stupid to recognize real need

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:00 PM

So Jerry's in the dying business, eh?

That's another service that I've chosen to bypass due to stupid regulations. I've donated my entire body to science—they'll use it to their advantage and return the ashes to my wife 3 weeks later at NO EXPENSE to my surviving relatives.

-- Posted by RocketSurgeon on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:01 PM

GREYWOLF! Hallelujah! Finally you get what my message is! It's not about conserv/lib! It's about humanity! Yes! Yes! YES!! Finally!!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:04 PM

Rocket Surgeon..."Was" in the business 15 years. Yes, I could tell you ALL sorts of things. I was proud, but after 15-years of seeing that it boiled down to money and not service, I stepped out.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:07 PM

GreyWolf

How do you like your crow cooked?

http://www.mentalhelp.net/poc/view_doc.p...

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:09 PM

Rocket Surgeon. Three weeks? Email me, I'd like to hear who told you that. swan_kg@yahoo.com

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:09 PM

SEMOAN: I blame the hormones! They take over after a certain time

no seriously

(you be quiet Aggie!)

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:09 PM

LOL, Jerry!

So sorry about the delay to see your movie... enjoy

and thanks... You are right, cremation will have to become the common practice.... but if I had my way, everyone would just have to go back into the Earth, to give back a little something.... no toxic chemical cocktails, injected into the body, just drain the blood and bury the body and let nature do decompose the that noted, human life.

-- Posted by Semoan on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:10 PM

That's right Mel we can all live without clothes (although it might cause blindness, death, heart attack etc if we saw some people naked I would think others would have more stalkers orlando bloom)

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:12 PM

Buckmaster

During this unfortunate time of your life....were you ever hungry, exposed to the weather elements or naked?

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:12 PM

SEMOAN,

That could be feasible, but one of the reasons they buried "outside" of cities (prior to embalming) was due to the disease and sickness it created. just imagine 10,000 of this kind of situation. (icky) to say the least.

Cremation (disease wise) would be much cleaner...now the atmosphere would be another story. LOL...solve one problem...create another. LOL It never ends does it?

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:16 PM

Could have been very easily if it were not for my parents Babe. No one else helped out in anyway shape or form but if it hadn't been that way there's no telling where my daughter would be now certainly not with me. She'd be in a foster home and wouldn't have a clue as to who I am.

Your problem is you are so self righteous and act like everyone just gets whatever they want because they need it and don't have to go to great extremes for the necesities in life. You sit on ur arse all day long and judge people for needing help. Excuse me for not being born with a silver spoon in my mouth but at least I appreciate what I have unlike you you take it for granted. God forbid you ever have to deal with real pain and sacrifice in your life because you would fall over from it.

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:18 PM

Me'lange...no message for me?? LOL

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:19 PM

I feel sorry for anyone who needed help from you they would die of dehydration nakedness starvation and exposure before you would even look down from your pedestal long enough to notice

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:20 PM

LOL Mel Adam and Eve didn't need them granted we all know better now!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:21 PM

GREYWOLF, for the record let it be known that "Y", as an avowed conservative, also believes this to be a "human" issue and not a Red/Blue, Left/Right, Republican/Democrat issue . . .

The propensity for each side to use issues for shock value and leverage is one of the reasons why things are the way they are today.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:22 PM

Buckmaster

Since you have included your pregnancy in this debate...may I ask, politely, if it was your choice to have another child?

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:22 PM

She just HAD to eat that **** apple. LOL

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:23 PM

Jerry66

to respond to your question.....yes. I love to teach. I love kids. I grew up in a family with four siblings and a mother that ran a daycare. I have worked at daycares and have my degree in Elementary Education. Just graduated from SEMO last year. However after my student teaching I did not think that working with students and parents would make me happy. A better work envirenment would make more teachers stay and of course better pay.

-- Posted by lovemyfamily on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:23 PM

Oh, and WHO was it that got all misty-eyed when someone cracked a "walker-tipping" joke? The hardliner, perhaps?

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:24 PM

but environment over pay....right?

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:25 PM

Me Lange!

Nice to see you!

Oh, I understand that the REALLY effing stupids would not save their money.... but I think we should be given the option of investing for ourselves, or leaving it in the system.

... and those of us who might gamble and loose.... well.... say la vi

"la vi!"

-- Posted by Semoan on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:25 PM

OK...I'm watching my film now! I'll be back later on!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:26 PM

Babe,I did not have to read far before this paragraph came up."In the area of psychiatry, the idea was to move the less severely mentally ill from these large institutions into the community where local treatment centers would be established to provide them with the medical, psychiatric, and social support they needed to be able to live and function.

My point should have been well taken but it is still

very obvious your compassion is non-existent on this

and many other social issues.As always,your position is respected.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:27 PM

That REALLY isn't any of your business but no I did not PLAN to get pregnant again we actually were pretty sure my husband couldn't have kids it was a complete surprise. But it was my moral choice to keep it yes since you blast abortion that shouldn't be an issue with you and you should really just leave it at that unless you want the tongue lashing of your life

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:28 PM

Me'Lange,

I would add that most private day-traders aren't patient enough to hold on to their stocks long enough for them to appreciate. One market correction and they're out the door.

Investments placed with a broker, and through mutual funds are more difficult to make liquid and are subject to higher fees.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:34 PM

Oh and that isn't a threat my dear THAT is a promise

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:36 PM

Buckmaster

Surprise babies are always welcome, I would think. But is it really a surprise when you made a choice to have sex?

If you choose to answer my personal questions then be prepared for my comments.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:40 PM

Ya know what Babe you just woke a sleeping giant in the form of an extremely hormonal pregnant woman. How dare you sit there and act the way you do at least I work and pay my own way 99% of the time. You sit on your Fat *** eating bon bons judging people from a keyboard because you got hurt boo hoo hoo I don't give a **** if you are disabled or just plain lazy you are a drain on the system if anyone is. I am personally putting in a request that you get banned and I hope like hell you report this and have me banned to I don't give a crap. I don't have to answer to anyone but God and myself for the choices I make at any point and time and I hope you burn in hell for your ways!

Self righteous conservative heffer and that's being nice about it

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:45 PM

Whether anyone wants to believe it or not there ARE homeless in the USA and everyday more and more people are going to bed hungry. The elderly are being forced to choose between getting the medicine they need or eating so they scrimp at the grocery store. Parents are paying enormous amounts for rent and utilities, daycare etc so again when it is time to go to the grocery store the slim basics is what they can get and when it is gone they struggle. many kids only eat at school during the week because at home there isnt the money for it, the parents work and make to much to qualify for assistance but not enough to survive then look at all the homes being foreclosed on. There are a lot more people like this in the area than you realize. My husband and I do not wait for the government to do anything for us. We work, we put money into a 401k every week and save as much as we can for our childrens education. We drive cars that are 7 years old and live in an older home so we can save the high prices of the newer but not everyone can afford to do any of this. We can send food to Ethiopia and other third world countries but we can't make sure all of our own children have insurance and food to eat. Something is wrong with that picture.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:49 PM

One of the many pertinent Native American predictions

Apache....

The elder spoke softly. "Welcome to what will be called the 'land of starvation'. The world will one day look upon all of this with horror and will blame the famine on the weather and the Earth. This will be the first warning to the world that man cannot live beyond the laws of Creation, nor can he fight Nature.

If the world sees that it is to blame for this famine, this senseless starvation, then a great lesson will be learned. But I am afraid that the world will not blame itself, but that the blame will be placed on Nature. The world will not see that it created this place of death by forcing these people to have larger families. When the natural laws of the land were broken, the people starved, as Nature starves the deer in winter when their numbers are too many for the land to bear."

http://www.xploreheartlinks.com/redsky.h...

-- Posted by Semoan on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:54 PM

Sorry I was unavailable for a little while.

Babe

I guess I didn't make myself clear, the goverenment doesn't help these people I'm speaking of ( the ones I know), however charitable organizations do as well as individuals.

What really ****** me off is to see people driving cadilacs, wearing diamonds on every finger, and they go around and get all kinds of help that they shouldn't qualify for from the government.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:55 PM

Sorry I was unavailable for a little while.

Babe

I guess I didn't make myself clear, the goverenment doesn't help these people I'm speaking of ( the ones I know), however charitable organizations do as well as individuals.

What really ****** me off is to see people driving cadilacs, wearing diamonds on every finger, and they go around and get all kinds of help that they shouldn't qualify for from the government.

I also said if you read my comment that I personally went through something similar and recvd nothing because I made to much money according to them. $60.00 a week, that doeesn't even pay for the babies needs that I had.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:55 PM

I wouldn't say as much blind as they choose to not see because if you see it then you have to do something or at least admit there is a problem so it is easier to pretend it isn't happening. Live in a small town like I do and you see more than you care to but until everyone wakes up nothing will change.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:56 PM

Me'Lange, sure, I understand the fees and wasn't commenting negatively about them. I was merely stating (and poorly, at that) that the fees were a factor that made investors think twice about selling securities they had placed through a broker. The discounted fee structure with companies like E*TRADE encourages knee-jerk selling by consumers . . .

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:57 PM

ooops sorry hit the wrong button

Semoangle70

I agree with what you said, it is very true in to many cases.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:57 PM

Yes, Jerry.... I understand....

Cremation is the most feasable solution.

People will squawk about their religious beliefs, but ultimately, that's the way it will have to be.

-- Posted by Semoan on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:58 PM

The nerve of some people I swear! Sorry for my rant but I have had enough!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 4:58 PM

Buckmaster

No one has the right to judge another person period. At some point in our lives chances are we will all need help of some kind and it is nothing to be ashamed of as long as a person is trying. When we start getting judged for it without someone knowing all the details it is only normal to get irritated and well when you are pregnant it is even worse our hormones tend to be full throttle at that point.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 5:02 PM

Babe

No these people don't have a house with a picket fence, computer, phone, etc.,,,,Did you not see I said they were homeless????

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 5:03 PM

Thank you semoangel I wish that others were as understanding and unintrusive as you are

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 5:04 PM

Me Lange,

What about IRA's, or similar?

As it is, Social Security isn't really, enough to live on.

-- Posted by Semoan on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 5:10 PM

Everyone needs to take a step back and look at the entire picture. sure you may have a good job, nice house and money in the bank but one catastophy can erase all of that. We own our own company with other family members and do really well I work part time to get out of the house our kids want for nothing and we manage vacations each year but if anything happened and we lost the business we could be homeless real quick with the way the economy is. How many people have lost good paying jobs when a factory closed and had to go from big salaries to barely minimum wage, or how many parents thought they were secure and then became disbaled while kids were still young and have to struggle to pay the bills. IT CAN HAPPEN TO ANY OF US. so instead of judging the ones that need help why cant you just see that and figure out a way to help.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 5:10 PM

Jerry Nall

wealth comes from within you. Just because you have money doesnt mean squat if you do not have family and friends to stand behind you. I might not be rich in material things but I am rich in that area and at the end of the day that means more to me

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 5:12 PM

very well put semoangle, we too are putting into 401K, Roths and etc, but as you said many things can change your life style in a fraction of a second.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 5:12 PM

I guess I would be considered poor, except when it comes to family and friends, then I would have to say I am very rich indeed.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 5:14 PM

Does somebody have a crowbar?????

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 5:16 PM

got several of them Buck

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 5:18 PM

Mel

If you read one thinker book PLEASE make it Ayn Rand's "We the Living" PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE pretty PLEASE............I'll never ask for anything ever again......

-- Posted by Donnie on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 5:21 PM

We may need it soon either that or I have done the impossible and rendered her speechless

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 5:22 PM

It's okay, Buckmommy!

We don't care if you rant..... especially, at the duckheads, who unwittingly, show their quacks! LOL!

-- Posted by Semoan on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 5:24 PM

It is ok Buck..........once again I say thankfully we live in a country where we can all have an opinion even if we think the other person is wrong they have the right to voice it.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 5:27 PM

Does somebody have a crowbar?????

-- Posted by Buckmaster

No, I thought it was against the law for crows to drink? ;-)

-- Posted by Semoan on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 5:29 PM

Thanks, Me Lange!

Book suggestion: "Becoming God" By: Ford

-- Posted by Semoan on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 5:33 PM

Glad that you all understand!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 5:36 PM

Its not illegal for them to drink they just can drink and fly SEMOAN

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 5:38 PM

James Nall....

I was going to say that wealth comes from the wealthy, but I agree with Semoangel... Wealth comes from within. (It is subjective)

Where were you going to say, it comes from?

-- Posted by Semoan on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 5:40 PM

An hour and counting with no comments from her so I guess its safe to say I at least shut her up for the time being. I gotta get ready to leave so I will see you all again tomorrow and maybe people will have enough couth NOT to tick off the pregnant chicks around here!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 5:44 PM

Its not illegal for them to drink they just can drink and fly SEMOAN

-- Posted by Buckmaster77

HAHAHAHA! .... and you know why it is against the law for a crow to drink and fly.... because it would totally, mess up our current system of navigation and

calculation of distance.

I'm afraid that "As the crow flies", when he's drunk, would probably, not accurately indicate the distance from here, to there, in a straight line.

-- Posted by Semoan on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 5:49 PM

Wow. I really try to not go for personal attacks and all that, but...

Babe...people like you are what is so so wrong with this country.

Worldwide food shortage? DOESNT EXIST! ...but they are already rationing food here in the overabundant US....

DOESN'T EXIST!

But, no, really...look here....DOESN'T EXIST!

Did you married people choose to have sex? Then you deserve a baby even if you didn't want one...as punishment for having sex you see.....

Homeless people are all just lazy jerks...NO ONE has ever been given a bad deal. This is AMERICA! If you work hard, then you can live the dream.

Yes, Babe, you and people like you are sucking the last bit of life from the twitching corpse of this nation.

-- Posted by MoxFulder on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 5:55 PM

Actually, I misspoke. You are not sucking the life out of this country. You just adore and defend those that are, all the while thinking that you are doing the right thing. Remember that when they come to suck the life from you.

-- Posted by MoxFulder on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 5:57 PM

Me'lange, Those are not the laws I am talking about. Dang...I wished I had this written down. Recently (within the last 4-5 years) Cape passed "harder" home business laws. Something to do with (business structures?) Anyone know what I am talking about?? LOL

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 6:04 PM

Thank you, James!

I am a firm believer that no one else has to suffer because another person gains. That kind of thinking is what I call, stinkin' thinkin'!

There are honest, business people, who strive to do the best for their customer, despite the way that many colleges are teaching their business and marketing students, how to cheat and steal from their customers. (THE consumer)

It's becoming a sorryass, practice and is part of the downfall of our nation.

-- Posted by Semoan on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 6:05 PM

Mox

why do you say noone has ever been given a bad deal and that they are all lazy???

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 6:28 PM

Semoangel and Buckmaster, Thank you both sooo much for summing up what I have been screaming about for months now. I'm so glad that Babe's ridiculousness has finally been exposed and thoroughly realized.

Semoangel, I was extremely happy to see your comments about “we can all be wiped out by one catastrophe.” Again, this is something I have been trying to explain for months. It’s hard to believe there are so many people in the world that go around totally oblivious to the fact that bad things do happen.

Buckmaster, I get upset to about the cruel and cold hearted statements Babe makes too. (As you well know) While she may get her kicks from judging our lives, one day she will also be judged. I wonder if Babe is familiar with that verse from the bible that says, “Judge not, lest ye be judged.” Every dog has its day. Unfortunately…she never answers the questions about HER use of government benefits, either from shame or fear of repercussions from her answers.

I have an old an old saying about silence. “Questions met with silence raise more questions.”

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 6:37 PM

Dang you SEMOAN! There you go again...now you're going to cause me to go on my customer service rant! LOL This is the point where I better take some deep breaths!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 6:41 PM

ROFL.... Jerry..... take a deeeeeeep breath...

OKAY?.............

Now you are cleared to RANT. Proceed direct as filed!

-- Posted by Semoan on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 7:18 PM

I made a statement earlier that there were NO homeless or hungry in the USA...except by choice.

I have not heard one rational argument to change my mind. All these scenarios of calamity is a moot point. Even if a person is without familial help, employment, assets....and down to their last dime...there is still help from the safety nets that our government and private charity provides.

What you want and what you need for survival is a matter of interpertation.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 7:22 PM

Some Jehova's Witnessess came to the door....

I told them that we were members of the "James Jones Memorial Church" and invited them in, for cool aide.

I don't think they'll be back!

AHHHHHHH Life is good, when God is on your side!

-- Posted by Semoan on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 7:23 PM

Babe, you said....

"I have not heard one rational argument to change my mind. All these scenarios of calamity is a moot point. Even if a person is without familial help, employment, assets....and down to their last dime...there is still help from the safety nets that our government and private charity provides.

What you want and what you need for survival is a matter of interpertation."

-- Posted by BABE

Babe.... you are where you are, your life and every circumstance within your life and everything you have ever experienced, is a result of your perspective and every choice you have ever made, as a result. It doesn't mean that you are happy with the results of those choices, however and it doesn't change the fact that you have no evidence yourself, upon which to base your own statements.

Therefore, your opinion of this matter, no matter how outspoken, is moot.

-- Posted by Semoan on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 7:38 PM

MeLange

See my 3:09 pm post.

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 7:59 PM

SEMOAN, Where to begin?? ANY fastfood place in Cape? The classic one. "Do you want fries with that?" You tell them "Sure." But when you get home you find there are no fries.

OR when you call a place of business and ask, "Do you have one of these?" They say "Yeah," then you drive across town only to find out they don't have it and the salesperson said "Yeah" but didn't really look.

OR you call and ask, "Do you have this?" The salesperson doesn't know what you are talking about, so they just hang up.

Or you call to complain about the service, but instead of getting satisfaction, the Manager gets snippy with YOU.

Or you go to a store and ask, "Where is this?" And the clerk just points and says, "Over there."

How much more you want?? LOL

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 8:01 PM

WhoMe

I guess I'm lost, because I don't have a clue as to what your talking about. I do know that you are probably being a smart you know what.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 8:02 PM

Top Gears on! I'll be back at 8!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 8:03 PM

Who Me

Do you really have tenant farmers?

-- Posted by BABE on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 8:10 PM

WhoMe

I do agree with you that there are alot of people having kids that don't need them, and are doing it mainly to get money from the government. You might as well say they are getting paid to have kids and stay home with them. I haven't been referring to that at all today and if what I said was taken that way then I'm sorry for the mix up.

What I have been referring to was the people who are homeless, that don't get the help they need. The food, a home to live in, those who are truly in need, not by choice, but because of circumstances that have forced them to live that way. If a person doesn't try to help themselves then they shouldn't expect help from the government or anyone else.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 8:39 PM

There is always the option of teaching those that we are giving food to HOW to get food...rather than just handing it over. What's that saying about teaching a dude to fish? *makes a sarcastic face*

There is a point where you don't want better for yourself or those around you. If you refuse to learn HOW to provide for yourself...then you are CHOOSING your destination.

Also---can we please not make a competition out of "charitable" giving? If you are having to compete over who is doing more for who and when and yada yada...then you aren't giving with the right intentions. Just some food for thought there.

Also---

I'll sacrifice some clothing...as long as I can keep my boots and my whip. o.O

Babe--

there is no polite way to ask if it was anyone's choice to have another child. However, it doesn't seem to be stopping you.

I'm not in favor of cremation. Or holes in the ground.

Personally...I need one of those little gothic buildings with a door...just in case I need to get out. (I read too many scary stories as a child...LOL)

"Wealth"

I think wealth is measured in so many ways...and so few of them are actually paper money. I can honestly say I don't have a lot of paper money...but I feel like a wealthy person. Also--I'm not jealous of rich people. They didn't cheat me to get what they have. And--I've watched enough from the outside to see that I'd rather be poor than to have some of the mindsets that the huge influx of paper money causes.

-- Posted by Superbethie on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 8:41 PM

you got time to lean

then you got time to clean

-- Posted by ..Rick on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 8:43 PM

You misunderstand me LittleMac. Just because I called Babe on her insane BS, that does not make me a 'Tax everyone and spend it all' Democrat. That is the problem today. If you disagree with any of the Bush doctrine, you must be an Obama supporter. THATS NOT ME!

I want the government as far away from my healthcare as possible. They should have no say whatsoever in anyone's health. I want to abolish the IRS, not tax more. The Federal Reserve needs to be shut down and our boys and girls need to come home from the killing fields of American Imperilism. We need to stop kissing Israel's *** and we also need to shut down 'Faith Based Inititives.' If we are all so for Democracy, I say we let the people of Iraq vote if they want us there anymore or not. Or at the very least pay attention to the American voters when we vote to stop the war! They have already taken enough lives and enough liberties, and we all work for their pursuit of happiness.

Both 'sides of the aisle' are just as terrible as the other, albeit in different ways. Tax you to death or put you to death, which one do you want?

There are some of us out here that can still think and read and not just parrot whatever the television tells us to. Democrat, Republican, whatever. They just take turns screwing us and all we do is argue over is what kind of bedroom chatter we get afterward. Use your brains people... take a chance once in awhile and just try being AMERICAN!

-- Posted by MoxFulder on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 9:37 PM

Moxy.....

EXCELLENT!

-- Posted by Semoan on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 9:47 PM

Mox

why do you say noone has ever been given a bad deal and that they are all lazy???

That was my imitation of Babe, otherwise known as "She who has ZERO compassion in her heart" and also like to dress down gorwn married people for having sex, after having butted her nose where it need not go anyway.

-- Posted by MoxFulder on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 9:49 PM

WhoMe

my appologies, for taking it wrong

Mox

got it, I see what you were saying.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 9:57 PM

LOL, Jerry.....

You nailed, some of my biggest pet peeves!

I grew up, learning how to serve... worked in service industries and now my customers are the BEST~

because they appreciate the special attention we give them. Although my business is a specialty business, we have never advertised. Our customers are our advertisements! We prefer quality, instead of quantity, in the work we give, the products we sell and in the kind of person, for whom we work.

-- Posted by Semoan on Mon, Apr 21, 2008, at 10:00 PM

Some conservative folks can argue and debate their ideology with gusto...in the abstract. But when the rubber meets the road involving real people they abandon their truths, principles and convictions. I don't.

-- Posted by BABE on Tue, Apr 22, 2008, at 12:54 AM

Who Me

If I don't catch you tonight, I will repost tomorrow. It's concerning your rice tenant farmer. If he is a true tenant farmer then his children are eligible for free college educations.

To make a long story short, my great uncle, John Daniel Rust, invented the cotton picker and left a foundation to pay for displaced tenant farmer's children college education.

He changed the South.

-- Posted by BABE on Tue, Apr 22, 2008, at 1:05 AM


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