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Speak Out 4/4/08

Friday, April 4, 2008

Overseas stimulus?

I WOULD like to know why I should spend my rebate check on goods to stimulate the economy when all the goods we buy are made overseas. Just whose economy would I be helping?

Monitor the highway

REGARDING THE divided highway outside of Jackson by Pioneer Orchard: Who should be watching over that? Jackson police or the highway patrol? Someone is going to get injured or killed, maybe me. I just about got ran over by a big truck that came flying by. There needs to be an officer planted there who oversees this and keeps traffic in a more orderly manner. It is a dangerous situation.

Time to recycle

IN SUNDAY'S Parade magazine, an article said there is floating in the Pacific a giant field of plastic trash that's double the size of the United States. This stretches from our West Coast to Japan. It is affecting our ecosystem. Isn't it time that more people tried to recycle? The truck goes by your house weekly.

Combat graffiti

RESIDENTS ON Old Sprigg Street have a nice neighborhood, but there is a problem with graffiti on signs. Get a can of spray paint and paint over the graffiti. I lived in a large city and was told the worse thing is to allow the graffiti to stay there. When graffiti creeps up in a neighborhood, the vandals add and add. The worst thing is to allow these graffiti people to deface our public signs, especially highway signs or directional signs.

City motto?

THE MOTTO for city leaders seems to be: Take from the many and give to the few.

Too much temptation

AS A mother of two teenagers, I am concerned about the Keg Shop opening across from the junior high school. According to Rudi Keller's business column, they will have beer, liquor and wine. How can this place get a liquor license? With Show Me's already on the corner and a new Irish pub just a few yards away, what is the city thinking? There is a junior high school just across the street, and these children have enough temptation.

Churches with energy

THIS IS in response to the editorial about growing churches. While it is wonderful a few megachurches are growing, let's not forget about the constant expansion of the many traditional churches in our area. They are growing because not everyone wishes to rock out during worship, and many wish to recognize the fire-and-brimstone messages in the Bible, not ignore them. Christ provides hope, but he also has rules — and he should be intimidating. Traditional churches have a lot of energy. By the way, I'm 30, not 70.

Lonely caregivers

I WOULD like to add to the excellent comments in Sunday's paper about Sam Blackwell's story, "The long goodbye." I am the sole caregiver for my husband. He has been diagnosed with Parkinson's with probable Lewy body dementia. I say "probable" because Lewy body dementia cannot be diagnosed until an autopsy has been performed. Lewy body disease shares a lot of symptoms with Alzheimer's disease. I have found it to be a lonely disease. People say they want to visit, but they never know when is a good time. Believe me, a phone call would allow you to know when would be a good time to visit. And when you come to visit, offer to stay for a while so caregivers can get away for a short period of time. It gets very difficult for us to ask for help. But help is always appreciated. Remember, you never know who these diseases will affect. Every family has been affected either by a friend or relative.

Great show

WOW, CONGRATULATIONS to Saxony Lutheran High School on its first musical production, "South Pacific." What a great show. The leads were perfectly cast, and everyone did a great job. Kudos to the crew, musicians and directors. Well done.

To all rude people

GOING TO church doesn't make you a Christian anymore than flushing a toilet make you a plumber. My husband uses this all the time to let people know they're not better than anybody else.

People pay

I KEEP hearing about the government helping disaster victims. That's not the government. That is the people who pay taxes. They are the ones who pay this bill, not the government. The government doesn't have a penny until it takes it away from somebody else.

Saving fuel

I DRIVE either at the speed limit or up to five miles below the speed limit just about anywhere I go. I find that stretches my fuel economy. I get roughly 25 to 50 more miles per tank of gas. This is something for everyone to think about, especially those who pass me and end up being right in front of me at the next stoplight. I try to leave early enough to work so I don't have to go that fast. It seems to work for me.

Using the system

I'M WATCHING a "Good Morning, America" special on servicemen's wives who are becoming surrogate mothers. The biggest reason is they can make $30,000. But our government also pays for prenatal care. As a taxpayer, I disagree with that. I don't think we should be paying for women to make money having children while using our government's health-care system. More power to them if they need to make money, but I don't want to pay for health care for an unborn child that is given to somebody else for money. I just think that's morally wrong.

Traffic courtesy

I WANT to say thank you to the man in Scott City who let out onto Main Street from a side road. Most people will not let you in, and the traffic is horrible trying to get to work and school. Thank you. It made my day.

Moved by the Spirit

THERE WILL be no energy in any church whatsoever without the Holy Spirit. That's what's making the churches grow.

No welfare guarantee

A COMMENT said the government is supposed to provide for the general welfare of the people. This is not what the Constitution says or means. It says it provides for the common defense and promotes the general welfare. Nowhere does it say anything about providing a welfare system that takes from one citizen and gives to another.

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Reminder II - please vote YES!!!!!!!!!! on the Parks and Recreation/Stprm water tax vote this Tuesday. Our city NEEDS the help with parks and recreation facilities and stormwater improvements. Our children need this!

-- Posted by harleyman on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 7:03 AM

C'mon now, think a little bit before you complain. Just because there's a store that sells liquor opening across from the Jr. High doesn't mean kids are going to be drinking more. This business will have to follow the same rules as everyone else and probably be extra diligent in checking identification because of their location. You act like they're opening there to specifically target children as their customers!

-- Posted by Data48 on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 7:39 AM

One of the above comments is a perfect example of how people these days coddle their children. Why do "our children need" this new tax increase? Their entertainment options are limitless compared to when I was a child. They're handed everything on a silver platter and still whine endlessly about nothing to do. Giving them everything they want stifles their creativity and imagination. No wonder they're so spoiled rotten! NO NEW TAXES!

-- Posted by Data48 on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 7:47 AM

The Keg Shop—think "McLovin"!

-- Posted by RocketSurgeon on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 8:51 AM

No welfare guarantee: You are correct.

When the Pilgrims landed they practiced communism and almost starved out. They practiced "for the common good" which impoverished the colony. Welfare didn't work in the colony because some chose just to live of the production of others. By the third spring, Governor Bradford decided on a new policy "to each according to merit. Thus the start of private ownership of the means of production. It worked and the colony survived.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 9:27 AM


You know that sounds just like my parents. And their parents. And probably their parents. Every generation complains that the current youth have it to easy. It is a recurrent theme.

-- Posted by SWBG on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 9:27 AM

Thanks OC,

Never heard that version of history before. I always thought it was the harsh weather and those communist native Americans that took its toll on the pilgrims.

-- Posted by SWBG on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 9:30 AM


In continuation of yesterdays topic, how am I wrong??

You are requiring me to give you articles that deals with something that happened 20 years ago. You know very well, most news sources do not have ON-LINE archives available for FREE that go back that far. I can't help it if you are in denial, additionally, I can't help it if you can't read and interpret the same things I do.

Fact 1: During the time periods we are talking about I was STAUNCH Republican

Fact 2: This was ALL common knowledge at the time. I believed it then, I believe it now.

Let's look at the Iraq watch article,

1st quote:

"“The United States Department of Commerce did, indeed, licence the export of a number of batches of bacillus anthracis (Anthrax) and other biological agents from suppliers in the US to established scientific research institutes in Iraq during the 1980s.”

How do you interpret this???

Additionally it says, "It is certainly not clear from the Riegle Report that these materials were sent to established scientific research institutes”, as claimed. The following destinations are exactly as printed in the sent to sections of the invoice listing in the Report:

Iraq Atomic Energy Agency

Ministry of Higher Education

Middle and Near East Regional A

State Company for Drug Industries

Iraq Atomic Energy Commission

Ministry of Trade

University of Basrah, College of Science, Department of Biology

Officers City Al-Muthanna, Quartret 710, Street 13, Close 69, House 28/I, Baghdad

University of Baghdad, College of Medicine, Department of Microbiology

Basrah, Iraq

Minister of Health, Ministry of Health, Baghdad

Quite apart from the astonishing fact that one repeated recipient of these deadly materials was the Iraqi nuclear weapons research facility, the Iraq Atomic Energy Commission, the identities of some of the other listed recipients remain unclear."

Let's see, dangerous materials, plus the reported distinations. Hmmm 2+2=4.

Also, think about this...Why would Bush and Intel have been so certain that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction?? Because they knew we sold it to them.

Donnie, I hate to disagree with you here, but me wrong?? No...the fact is you FAIL to see and interpret what is written. Again, I can't make you believe this or that...this task is placed into the hands of one's common sense. Adding up what has been presented to them.

I could just as easily ask you to prove that we DIDN'T send hazardous weapons to Iraq. The letter to the Prime Minister lays out all the facts. Of Course Bush wasn't going to admit we sold them the very weapons that we were looking for. You have said yourself, WHEN have the FEDs not screwed something up they took over? Perhaps you should utilize that stance here.

Donnie, I'm actually surprised and disappointed in you, but if your mind is made up and not even open to the possibility...then I have wasted my time laying this all out before you. No proof was going to change your mind.

Gee thanks, you've just made me create a long "Brill type" post. LOL

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 9:34 AM

combat grafitti,

Absolutely right. The best way to combat grafitti is to get rid of it as quickly as possible. I rarely travel down old Sprigg but see the grafitti on some of the buildings on Broadway. It aggravates me that it happens but at the same time if it would be painted over or sandblasted off those who defaced it will get the message that someone cares. Leaving it up just invites more of the same.

-- Posted by SWBG on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 9:34 AM


Say NO to any sales tax increase in Cape Girardeau.

Let the City managers understand that pork projects

during an economic down swing is not justified.Let them know we do not appreciate attaching a storm

water proposal to make it more attractive.Let the Park Board understand that not everyone in Cape enjoys upper middle class status and that the less fortunate

need tax breaks rather then increases.Let them understand that Shawnee Park needs simple cosmetics as do other smaller Parks in Cape.Let them know the Golf course just needs some qualified horticulturist to get things in even better shape as it has improved the last few years.Lets find other means of financing parks and water parks that will not pay for themselves and only be open 5 months out of each year.Find other monies to repair storm water issues knowing well that any 13 inch rainfall within 30 hours will cause flooding.A nearly 8% sales tax rate in a City of less then 36,000 is not realistic and will not benifit the residents and or new comers to the area.Those of you who AGREE let me suggest you do as I have and print a sign off your puter and tape it to the back window of your vehicle.All it need say is "VOTE NO APRIL 8TH

Then as you travel around town the next few days we can do our best to counter the many publications and phone calls(I received on last night asking me to vote yes)that are promoting a yes vote!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 9:43 AM

Vote YES on the proposed sales tax increase. Your vote would be a positive, supportive vote for our community, it's future and most importantly, it's children.

If your concern is the way the money has been managed in the past, then take your concerns to the city officials, but do not deny children facilities that will keep them active, outside and healthy.

Please don't let the bitterness of history that some people can't get past, destroy the possibilities of the future. VOTE YES!

-- Posted by Theorist on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 9:57 AM

Also Donnie,

The National Archive link I gave you has very interesting information.

Such as:

"Iran had submitted a draft resolution asking the U.N. to condemn Iraq's chemical weapons use. The U.S. delegate to the U.N. was instructed to lobby friendly delegations in order to obtain a general motion of "no decision" on the resolution. If this was not achievable, the U.S. delegate was to abstain on the issue. Iraq's ambassador met with the U.S. ambassador to the U.N., Jeane Kirkpatrick, and asked for "restraint" in responding to the issue - as did the representatives of both France and Britain"

Why would the US fail to condemn the use of these weapons?

Again, here is that link.


Again here is another link:


Note this sentence: "In the early 1980s, for example, Iraq was initially unable to produce thiodiglycol, a key ingredient in the production of mustard agent, and ordered more than 1,000 tons of this chemical from foreign suppliers, including a company in the United States."

Anyway, I am not going to continue with this. You can either read between the lines or not. The fact is, we had vested US interest in Iraq at the time. We were against Iran, Ronald Reagan and Donald Rumsfeld held Iraq in high esteem ect and so forth. Again, you have stated yourself that the FEDs have always screwed things up, I think you'd be just as safe saying they screwed this up to. You certainly don't have any PROOF they didn't.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 10:01 AM

Good Morning All,

This will probably be my only post this am and it has nothing to do with today's SO comments or posts. I'm gonna be way off topic. Just a friendly warning. lol

Lunch today at noon at Olive Garden. All are welcome to attend if you so wish. Will try to get there early to get a table in Non-smoking. Just ask for the Pups table.

Thanks and have a great day.

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 10:05 AM

Vote YES on Tuesday! We have the opportunity to be proactive and do something incredibly worthwhile for the city and it's residents. Let's not let it become bogged down in pessimism and negativity! If there was ever an initiative that brought benefits to every section of society, this is it! Vote YES!

-- Posted by deviantwriter on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 10:08 AM

LOL..Ok Donnie, you have me obsessed with proving this to you. Here is another link.


It gets real interesting when they ask this guy these questions:

Q: I had a question about American firms exporting anthrax to...

A: We cannot answer that question.

Q: You can't talk about it?

Q: Have you taken any steps to stop that?

A: We can't answer that.

Q: Why is that?

A: Because that is about an American firm or an American issue, and we are not in the business of answering questions about anything that Americans do.

Here's another article:


The fact is, the US has pulled capers like this previously.

Do you also deny "The Bay of Pigs?"

If I remember correctly, there was an attempted cover-up there too.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 10:22 AM

Vote YES April 8th!

Pups, so you're going to be at lunch today??

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 10:23 AM

Woo-hoo. Another vote yes/vote no day here...

Data48 asked "Why do our children need this new tax increase?"

Answer #1: because they are the ones who will have more options and incentives to be involved in sports if the tax proposal passes.

Answer #2: because they will have access to more recreational activities that promote healthy lifestyles.

Answer #3: because they will grow up in a community that cares about its youth.


VOTE YES! Show that you care, even if you don't agree with the politics behind the scenes.

PS: Conservababe, I hope I did not offend you again with my "self-serving to the 9th degree" comments.

-- Posted by unilib on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 10:31 AM


Yep I will be there.

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 10:39 AM

Looks like the "Vote Yes!" movement is gaining support. Kind of like Limbaugh's bogus "Operation Chaos."

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 10:42 AM


Dang, I can't give you a guarantee. I've had the flu part of the week and spent last week gorging Italian food on the Hill. I'm Italianed out. In fact, I had to cook the kids lasagna last night.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 10:44 AM

re: combat graffiti

When graffiti creeps into a neighborhood it's not just a nuisance but a sign of territorial gang activity.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 10:45 AM

LOL....RocketSurgeon, who is that in your avatar? LOL

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 10:47 AM

Conservababe, yes....we have had gang activity in Cape Girardeau for some time now. I guess we're in denial about that too.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 10:48 AM

re: using the system

If women want to go into the business of having a baby for profit they should have to apply for a business license and pay taxes.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 10:54 AM

I'm in no way getting involved in Cape's sales tax debate, but freedom is none-the-less calculated on the ability of a person to enjoy the fruit of his labor. Taxes, by their amount, decreases that freedom. 200 years ago a person had around 95 to 98 percent of that freedom, today he is lucky to have half (life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness). In the 18th century, we had a revolution and not in just military terms, and that revolution as Emerson referred to it is "self-reliance". Taxes are America's devolution. Hayek, we have went beyond serfdom.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 10:58 AM

Melange, If you are suggesting that I am posing as different posters, you are way to paranoid! I have only one "handle". The only reason I do not have an avatar as of yet is because I haven't found one that "suits". Can you not accept that many, if not most, posters DO support this tax, our community etc.?

Do not accuse someone because of your insecurity. If it will make you feel better, I will look for an avatar now....laughing

-- Posted by Theorist on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 10:58 AM

MeLange (Secretary of Education)

The bus driver that sent the children through flood waters has been diciplined (secretely) but was not fired. There seems to be some discrepancy between Ms Fanger and the spokesperson for First Student as to when the drivers received emergency training.

But, nonetheless, the driver should have been summarily fired for having such poor judgement while she was in charge of the safety of our children.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 11:05 AM

Yes Melange it is true a few supporters of the proposed tax increase are posting under different

handles.So be it.I already see how many uneducated

voters that allow wool to be pulled over their eyes.I keep hearing "benifit the children".The only thing that will benifit kids and children that do NOT PLAY OUTSIDE much less in parks, would be for Parents to learn to be Parents.All the taxes in the world won't make that happen.Someone explain to me how this proposal will help these bored kids.Oh and you golfers out there who think the City is capable of turning the JC COURSE into a dalhouse.We would be better off giving it back to the JAYCEES!Let me suggest to many of you to go to Lowes or home depot and purchase a nice

play set for your backyards and see how often your kids

play on it.I would suggest the City purchase the old

K's merchandise building and fill it with game computers.Then let the kids in after paying several dollars an hour to play.Hire 3 gaurds and pay them well as babysitters.This should satisfy most parents and kids.I bet that would pay for itself within 3 years!Sure makes more sense than a Water Park that will eat the City alive.Bet this post won't be popular!

I guess I won't be running for Mayor either huh?

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 11:08 AM


I am surprised that you are not recycling yet. Actually you will need four tubs...one for aluminum, one for paper, one for glass and one for plastic. And buy some twine to wrap your broken down cardboard boxes.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 11:11 AM

As usual, the liberals are using the 'for the good of the children' in their debate on the Parks tax. Children don't NEED a water park even though they might want one. Also, children do not pay taxes. Perhaps we should be concerned of leaving them with multiple taxes in the future instead of satisifying their instant gratifications.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 11:28 AM


The school district sure as hell can drop their contract with First Student.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 11:30 AM

IF I could be assured that the sales tax will NEVER increase beyond the current proposal, I MIGHT consider voting for it.

Either that or for every increase, there is an equal decrease. Never going to happen, but wishful thinking.

Have a great day, go to the Story Telling Festival and buy a T-shirt while you are there!


-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 11:30 AM


Your comments about kids are usually very negative. You seem disillusioned with the capacity of children to adapt to new things when they are given a chance. Did your kids play videogames so much that you don't believe children can do anything else in life? If that's what you think, then try showing up at one of the youth sports leagues' practices or games and see the hundreds of kids and their families lining up to play ball or swim or run or bike. Softball signup is tomorrow at Osage--go there and ask some of those kids if they would rather play videogame at home or play outdoors. You'll be surprised. By the way, those kids, and hopefully many more in the near future, are the ones who would benefit immensely from the tax proposal, if it passes.

-- Posted by unilib on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 11:31 AM

Buckmaster 77

You should be very careful, from a legal standpoint, about committing slander about another poster. I know for a fact, that Bril never harrassed anyone at their residence.

"He harrassed someone else on here at their residence and is he justified in doing that. Based on your defense of him you seem to think he is."

-- Posted by Buckmaster77 on Thu, Apr 3, 2008, 3:38 pm CDT

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 11:35 AM


Below are the different categories of recyclables to help you understand how to bundle different items. The recycling brochure is also available on-line.

Junk mail/Residential mixed paper should be kept separate from newspaper/magazines. Envelopes (window envelopes also acceptable), stationery, copy paper (all colors) computer paper (including greenbar) notebook paper and typing paper are accepted. Please remove staples and place Junk mail/Mixed paper into a plastic or paper bag and place in a box or recycling container.

Note: Items should be protected from wet weather by placing in a plastic bag.

Important!! Please do not mix junk mail/mixed paper with newspaper/magazines or grayboard/chipboard.

Corrugated Cardboard and Grayboard/Chipboard Includes cereal boxes, soda cases and cartons, shoe boxes etc.. No pizza boxes or egg cartons can be accepted. Corrugated cardboard and grayboard/chipboard should be free of wood, staples and food stains. Please flatten boxes and pack into a larger box, recycling container, or bundle with string.

Newspaper/Magazines & Catalogs Just place Newspaper/Magazines and Catalogs into a plastic or paper bag or bundle with string and place in a recycling container.

Note: In wet weather items, should be protected from rain by placing in a plastic bag.

Glass All colors of glass bottles can be recycled. It is not necessary to separate glass by color at the curb, but glass should be placed in an appropriate container or weatherproof bag during wet weather. No broken glass, window panes, auto glass, household china or glassware can be accepted. Please remove and discard lids, metal rings and caps and rinse items clean. Then place in a plastic/paper bag and put in a box or recycling container. Labels do not need to be removed.

Plastic Just remove and discard lids and caps, rinse containers and place in paper or plastic bag then place bag in a box or recycling container. Clean plastic containers, plastic shopping bags and newspaper wrappers are accepted. Examples of plastic we can not accept include egg cartons and tape cases. It is not necessary to remove labels.

Aluminum and Steel/Tin Cans can be packaged together for collection. (No aerosol cans). Cans should be rinsed to remove excess food. Then place in a plastic/paper bag and put in a box or recycling container. Lids and labels do not need to be removed.

Recyling Tours and Presentations: If your classroom, church group, scout troop or civic organization would like an educational presentation of the City’s Recycling Program or a tour of the City’s Recycling Center, please contact the Public Works Department, 334-9151.

Note: If you mix the separate items listed, the city will not pick them up.

You're not in Iowa anymore, little girl. LOL

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 11:48 AM

Pathetic and Funny: John McCain speaking at the Memphis motel inwhich MLK was shot, and apologizing for why he was against a MLK holiday. LOL

I finally realize why both Obama and Clinton contend they will fight for the Presidential nomination til the end. It's plain and simple, come November, John McCain is a "complete" Non-issue. LOL! Looks like Limbaugh's Operation Chaos has failed and failed miserably. LOL!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 11:53 AM

Oh, MeLange, you already have a designated day for recyling pick-up as does everyone in the city. My trash day is Tuesday and my recycle is Friday. You do not have to call for special pick-up.

Are you sure you are not BraBra? LOL

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 11:55 AM


How can you expect Donnie, or, any other of these war mongers on here to believe that we, the Angelic United States of America, ever sold chemical weapons to Saddam?

They would just crap a big one, if they knew that they paid for those weapons that George H.W. Bush and Donnie Rumsfeld sold to Iraq in the 1980'.

Yes, Donnie, Buckmaster 77, Me'Lange, the Pupslover, Twiggy, and all the other war mongers on here, if they were paying taxes in the early 1990's, they, or, their parents paid for the chemical weapons that the US government sold Iraq to kill Iraninas in the Iraq-Iran war.

Vice President George H.W. Bush, and Donald Rumsfeld paid a visit to the Republican ran US Commerce Department in the 1980's. They wanted to sell chemical weapons, including the chemicals and the spraying and delivery apparatus to Iraq. There was one minor problem. It these weapons of mass destruction that Rumsfeld and Bush wanted to sell Iraq were classified as WEAPONS, then, their buddies in the banking bidness, would be on the hook, if Saddam ever defaulted on the loan.

Just as Republicans cannot have their friends at Bear Stearns, and Wall Street take the loss for their own greed, avarice in their effort to loot this country, and now the American taxpayer, the worker at K-Mart, the gas station, the lawncare workers are going to be forced to bail out the Ultra-Rich, back in the 11980's, it was no different.

If the deal went through as WEAPONS, then if there was a default by Iraq, and they didn't pay, the bankers who financed the loan, would have to eat it.

Bush and Rumsfeld instructed the US Commerce Department to reclassify these weapons of mass destruction that were being sold to Saddam by US companies, as AGRICULTURAL products. Products classifed as AGRICULTURAL were elegible for gauranteed loans. If there was ever a problem with the loan being repaid, then the US taxpayer woul repay the NY bankers who had made the loan.

The effect of George H.W. Bush attacking Iraq, unpovoked, in what we call the Guf War, is that the Iraqi economy, the best economy in the Middle East, even compared to that of Israel, was shattered. When George H.W. Bush insisted that cruel sanctions be placed upon Iraq, following the war, there was no way that the Iraqi government could repay the loan.

So, guess what? All of these war mongers here, or, their parents PAID for the weapons of mass destruction out of their own pockets.

Funny, I didn't hear them protesting being forced to pay for WMD sold to a foreign power, but, now, they want to put their 2 cents in on Iraq and WMD.

Odd, very odd, indeed.

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 11:57 AM

Unilib!!!give it a rest.Frankly if you disagree that kids these days don't play outside and do not spend much time in parks playing your just simply out of touch!And stop with trying to put words in my mouth!

Not only do I use the Shawnee Park twice a week I was also coaching Soccer with Caysa for 8 years until my boys started playing high school socccer!The soccer

fields are JUST FINE today as they were in the 90s.

The softball fields are also in great shape and every night I play softball during the summer leauge there is at least one field not being used.We also now have a lighted socccer field as well!!Parking is also adequate!Arena parks fields are also available for little leauge play.We have a nice walking and bike trail not to mention the Cape County Park where there is hiking,picnicing and fishing available for everyone.

Sorry you will not convince me that we don't have enough parks and playgrounds.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 11:59 AM


I have seen these posters in the forum previously. Let's be honest, the initiative has support otherwise it wouldn't have made it to the ballot. To "assume" that it doesn't carry any weight, would be extremely naive.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 12:00 PM

Thank the Lord! He's back!!!

Good to see you're back on the forum Michael (peace be upon him).

Have a good day and I wish you continued good health.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 12:01 PM

Greywolf, I beg to differ, but those little league diamonds in Arena Park and Capaha Park look like crap. I spent 17-years working on them, I ought to know. Maybe these facilities are fine for "your" standards, but some of us may not accept "below-average" when we grade things.

Additionally, this isn't just about a Water Park,and you know it.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 12:05 PM

Liberty, Thanks for the help....I was getting tired of arguing this alone.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 12:07 PM

NO! HELL, NO!!!!!!!

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 12:12 PM

Taxpayers of the village-state UNITE!! It is your civic patriotic duty to "the children" to MOBILIZE NOW and work tirelessly through Tuesday, 8 Apr, and overthrow those selfish, wicked No voters, and storm the polls on WEDNESDAY, 9 Apr, and overwhelm the evil ones with YES votes!!!

Remember, fellow patriots of the Soviet Collective Commune, it is YOUR communal duty, not the vile parents', to recreate "the children" and indoctrinate them to become "happy" and productive wards of the village. Failure to do so will result in fat, atrophied, non-producing consumer/polluters. Besides, they would not develop appropriately as tasty BB-Q potentials, should our march to "global warming" force we, the village democratic mob into cannibalistic practices! VOTE YES WED, 9 Apr...for "the children"!! Burma Shave.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 12:15 PM


You should do it! However, you shouldn't have tipped your hand. Only those that already know who you are would have made the connection anyway!

If you're worried about it, give it some time, cultivate your blog ideas, and come back in a few months after the dust has settled. I'm sure others will have joined the blogs by then and you can slip in without anyone truly knowing your moniker!

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 12:15 PM


cAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. (sorry caps). If you want to blog for the paper you have to have a name. Doing it annonymously is improper etiquite. Also if you are to offer opinion under the name of the paper you must be held accountable.

I don't think you have much to worry about. You tend to be open and not terribly offensive (you may want to wait until after the April 8th vote if you are concerned about people knowing who you are).

-- Posted by SWBG on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 12:22 PM


don't down talk me!What makes you think I grade things below standard as you put it!?Yes this is all about a ridiculous water park and YOU KNOW IT!If in fact you worked at arena for 17 years its obvious to me you think you did a poor job!Sorry you feel that way.

I always feel good about the jobs I perform.Arena is just fine other then some water on the fields at times.

Capaha is nice enough for semo and the small fields look great too.Your point about substandard facilities does not wash one little bit for me.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 12:23 PM

Yup, Me'L, your are too generous for your own good. MJB/BRILL/LIBERTY is a wacked out crackpot--and there's not much decent humanity left to defend in that sad carbon specimen . . .

Oh, and did you catch the Star of David on his Avatar? Nice. And he's an anti-Semite to boot. What a sad, sad man.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 12:23 PM


The whole idea of contributing to an "official" media outlet is "reliability" of source. This tom foolery we contribute to on here is just fun and games. When you begin posting blogs in traditional media, it is important that readers can trust the author. Anonymity in that respect is unprofessional and considered unreliable. Just like when I was doing the film reviews. When you post information it is important that the author reveals his/her name.

NO...I don't want you attributing to the blogisphere anonymously. I will be totally against that and will make a call to the Missourian to personally complain about it. The people posting these blogs are either experts in the fields or have experience in the areas they are blogging about. Some form of integrity must be held in place. To allow you to blog anonymously would compromise the integrity of the Missourian.

If you can't blog confidently by attaching your name and photo to your blog, then I insist you should not blog at all.

****Southeast Missourian**** DO NOT LET HER BLOG ANONYMOUSLY!!!!!! Make her use her Real Name and Photo, or do not let her blog at all!~

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 12:27 PM


Myself and others who volunteered help keep up those fields in Capaha and Arena parks. Up til the point most of us retired from that the fields looked GREAT! Now, they are unkept and uncared for! You have no clue what you are talking about.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 12:30 PM


Rules is rules. If you want to enter into the field of journalism then you must establish your credibility under your real name.

Oh, 'BraBra' is Barbra Streisand's nickname. You know, the one who wants us to do green by hanging our laundry outside to dry while she uses her inside dryer. LOL

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 12:34 PM

Conservababe, Yes...credibility, that was the word I was looking for.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 12:38 PM


In all fairness to the voters, I too wish that those in support not to forget to vote on Wednesday, the 9th. After all, it is our civic duty.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 12:42 PM

I guess that I should read some of the blogs. If they have a pretty lass' picture on them that sells it for me. Whether I agree with a writer or not, I understand the inconvenience of writing.

Writing fills this empty shell above my shoulders with thoughts that I would just as soon not dwell on. On this blog, I seldom put much effort in thought, but it does satisfy an urge to feel important, to see my name in lights.

Me"Lange, I don't know if your a pretty lass or not, but blog.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 12:43 PM


You're obviously a big proponent of the county parks. The fact is, for years "fundraising" and contributions have helped Capaha and Arena Park get to where they are today. (Aka the SEMO Diamond, and the Shelters at Arena Park) Like I have mentioned earlier, if the city hadn't depended upon Cape Central for a pool or the University for the Show Me Center, they would have more control over those things now.

Instead of depending on these outside sources to fund city projects, it's time the city bucks up and starts contributing more to them. That's the whole idea of a "City" park. I know your mind is made up and so is mine. I'll cancel your vote out on Tuesday, and vice versa.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 12:44 PM

to What is is with some of these war mongers?

They didn't like seeing the fruits of their war against the Iraqi people, when Brill used a photo of an Iraqi child murdered by American occupation troops.

I don't know what they think is going on over there, but if I read the archives correctly, weeks before it became "news," Brill was talking about the Green Zone being under almost daily attacks, and that Sadr could not afford to keep his militia in check because they were being arrested, or, killed by the US puppet goverment of Iraq, assisted by the occupation troops. What do you think are coming home in those coffins that we are not allowed to see arriving at Dover AFB? Whole bodies of American troops, killed by a IED? You all live in a fantasy world. Many of those coffins are just deceptive containers for bits and pieces of an American son, or, daughter killed for the greed, and lust for empire of a few people who never served their country in uniform, including your president. I don't accept that coke head as having served, because he just didn't, no matter how you try to pretty it up.

Brill, also, warned, for months, maybe almost a year, that the economy was going into the toilet. His claims were greeted with guffaws by the ignornat. Your president was lying to the face of the American people by telling them that the economy was great, it was good, jobs were being created, and other such idiotic claims.

Nothing anti-semitic about my avatar. It conveys the feelings of most Americans, who do not want a foreign power, nor, their lobbby, controlling the poltics and policy of this nation.

I would not expect the simple minded to be intuitive enough ,though, to comprehend a complex concept. Thank you for proving my point.

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 12:44 PM

Y, I don think he is anti-Semite, he is anti-Zionist. There is a difference between the two.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 12:44 PM

Jerry Jerry Jerry!

You just substantiated my point!"The fields are not cared for properly now".Gee I guess we need new employees working for the park district and not a near

8 percent sales tax in Cape.Yep I think I do have a clue don't I?Perhaps you might try using your clutch before you put your typing into gear!VOTE YES APRIL 9TH

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 12:48 PM

Jerry, Liberty

No amount of truth will ever convince those who are willfully ignorant.

-- Posted by MoxFulder on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 12:50 PM

Greywolf, Vote Yes on TUESDAY, April 8th.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 12:51 PM

Well that lasted what almost a week so here we go again and instead of behaving himself he's picked up right where he left off! I'm starting a pool 5 bucks to get in on it and the pool is for a prediction of when he gets kicked off again. I will take collections and dates on the 12th LOL

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 12:55 PM


I don't want to come off sounding like a jackhole here (ha! still can get that through the bleeper) but it's just your local paper. The paparazzi likely won't be harassing you.

-- Posted by MoxFulder on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 12:56 PM

Mel were you refering to who I think you were refering to on the harrassment stuff?

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 12:58 PM


You got that right! You have been doing an admirable job. You seem to be able to repel their ignorance, and handle them with aplomb.

If it weren't for you, Dick Cheney, Jerry66, Dexterite, and a couple of others this site would be a sick, hellish black hole of ignorance.

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 1:00 PM

Jerry,you said"its time for the City to buck up"!

Why I ask?That simply means more taxes out of my hard earned income!I want the City to live within its means and to quit asking for more when they can't take care of what we already have.Can you at least see my point for gosh sakes?Ok,Mrs.Wolf and my pups will vote NO.

Most of my co-workers are also with me.I will continue to cruise around town with my VOTE NO signs in my window.Maybe you will get a glimpse of the illusive Greywolf.Listen I respect your opinion concerning this issue but I do hope its voted down and that many voters ******* thier butts and go to the poles.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 1:08 PM

Sorry DickCheney I would have to say he is anti-social and bipolar with signs of paranoid Schizophrenia and possible early signs of dementia

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 1:13 PM

Time to recycle: Perhaps that plastic was part of a government grant. They were put there to stimulate micro-organism growth. To repair the damage to organisms that were destroyed by ship propellers delivering monies/treasuries to China and Japan in exchange for goods.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 1:16 PM

Greywolf said "Frankly if you disagree that kids these days don't play outside and do not spend much time in parks playing your just simply out of touch!"

Let's see... if I disagree that they don't, does it mean that I'm agreeing that they do? I don't know what I'm agreeing to here. LOL

I do think that more kids should spend more time outdoors playing and practicing sports and growing up more active. I also think that local governments have a responsibility to be "enablers" of such behavior by creating an environment where it can flourish naturally. Cape has been doing OK, with a lot of community help, but MUCH MORE needs to be done. But you can't do much without funding. Therefore, we have a tax proposal to address some of the funding problem. You may not agree with the proposal because of the politics behind it, but I would expect you to agree that we need to keep improving our lives and our kids' lives (I know you disagree, you already stated that we don't need improved parks, fields, facilities, etc.)

Many cities all over the country are now planning neighborhoods with sidewalks leading to local grocery stores and attractive parks in order to enable healthier behavior. It's the way to go. We're not there yet, but we'll be closer if we can stop talking and start acting soon.

-- Posted by unilib on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 1:20 PM

Wolf, I have "other" reasons for voting Yes to this measure. I realize the hardships on taxpayers, but I also realize those hardships when taxpayer dollars are utilized to support private enterprise. (Aka Nars, the Townplaza tax, the marquette building) Get my point yet? ;o)

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 1:25 PM


I want in on that bet. My five says that LibertyNot will be gone on May 1st. Over time he simply cannot resist putting his toe over the line of decency.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 1:26 PM

mel wrote,

"SWBG, Ehhhh...What is that supposed to mean? You don't think I'm a candidate do you? Cause I'm not. LOL

"you may want to wait until after the April 8th vote if you are concerned about people knowing who you are""

No just meant by that your VOTE NO take may p i s s some people off...If you are worried about people knowing who you are.

-- Posted by SWBG on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 1:27 PM


you have a great point there. In actuality, that is the real problem...there is NOTHING for kids to do in this town. We need a Teen Town, a YMCA, yes...Chuck E. Cheese, and for godsake...give these kids a cruise strip. There wasn't all this grafitti on Broadway when it was frequented by cruisers. At least with "the strip" everyone knew where their kids were. Oops...I'm taking a trip down memory lane again.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 1:29 PM


Children cannot play in the parks unattended because of the safety factor. Therfore their time is limited to the times that a parent or attendent can supervise them. Perhaps the city could allocate some of the funding for the Parks tax to include hiring security to halt the cruises of homosexuals and drug dealers instead of a new water park.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 1:34 PM

I myself would shoot for oh lets see the 26th of April but he just might surprise you (sorry I can't help but be a smart @$$)

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 1:35 PM

Time to recycle: I would like to put to rest the rumor that that plastic was global warming signs that were tossed during the last freeze. I did see a stencil on one of the ship's main mast stating "toss all bubble gum wrappers overboard".

-- Posted by BCStoned on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 1:36 PM

Jerry66 I remember those days too but granted I never could drive (wasn't old enough) but I always blackmailed my brothers into taking me with them

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 1:36 PM

Kids love the pool. Kids love parks. Kids love soccer, baseball, softball etc. So do adults! Greywolf, Conservababe, Melange do not have an interest in this generation and have chosen not to support this initiative to "get even" with city leaders. Everything deteriorates at some point and needs replacement or rejuvinating. The pool leaks and it is cold. The air filtering system needs to be replaced, the bubble has holes etc. The Shawnee Complex fields do not drain, the bathrooms are broken etc.

I can't understand why people would not support the generation that may very well be their caregivers in the future. VOTE YES! APRIL 8th

-- Posted by Theorist on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 1:42 PM

Now Bucky, be nice to Michael ("piece" be upon him). Your comments may be construed as a death threat at some point.

I really enjoy your anti-semitic avatar Michael. When can we expect some more dead bodies? I really enjoyed the last one.

"napalm, it sticks to kids. napalm it sticks to kids yeah!"

Hope everyone is having a great day!

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 1:42 PM

Old Codger

Do you think this fruitcake has not heard that ships at sea jettison their garbage into the waters?

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 1:47 PM


I am not prepared to agree that its the Cities responsibility to make sure kids have something to

do.And please quit trying to convince me that we

don't have enough Parks or recreation for kids.

There is plenty FOR THEM to do.Except of course a WATER PARK!but then what will they do in the fall and winter and early spring?It does not take a Village

to raise children.It takes a Mom and a Dad and not high sales taxes!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 1:47 PM


Non related question for you, but since you are so pro-america, why are you riding that rice burner?? LOL Just an honest question. Also, you made the comment about having the right vehicle in previous posts, please don't tell me you have one of the rice burning 4x4s.

I remember seeing you downplay Harley's

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 1:49 PM

Babe: If he didn't before, he knows now.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 1:52 PM


Thats your theory and not MINE!

Please don't claim to know what my opinions are!

Time to move on.The vote is coming Tuesday and I hope we all get to the poles.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 1:54 PM

No theory, Greywolf....the pool leaks, the bubble has holes, the fields do not drain....of all of this I am certain!!!

-- Posted by Theorist on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 1:57 PM

LOL Instructor I better behave then I suppose don't want people to think I am being threatening although sometimes the truth can hurt and quite badly

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 1:59 PM


Don't play the age card with me. The mother of my grandchildren is voting NO to the Parks tax because she has done her homework after receiving a letter advocating the tax from her company. We discussed it for the first time last evening. She asked me something I had not thought about ie why would they build a water park behind the Osage Center when it floods?

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 2:00 PM

Why would a sales tax they claim will be for the parks be the answer. You know all that money is gonna do is line the pockets of some other half wit organization like NARS or something even worse. oh I know that wonderful water park that they won't be able to keep up with the maintenance on either that will sit dormant for 9 out of 12 months and only open for the 3 will not make what it took to build and maintain THINK PEOPLE!!!!!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 2:01 PM

Jerry, I have two American made vehicles (both Mercury).

As far as the bike goes, there is only ONE American manufacturer of sport bikes (Buell). Of those bikes, there are only two which do not have v-twin engines (Blast and the 1125 which has a Rotax engine). I would LOVE to own an 1125 but the reality is, it cost 2.5 times what I paid for my Kawasaki.

Make a decent American made sport bike for under $7000, and I'll be there.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 2:02 PM

This is just showing the true colors of some Cape politicians as greedy and manipulative that will label something one thing and use it for a whole different purpose!

-- Posted by NickeyB63780 on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 2:03 PM

Yes Jerry, Harley's aren't my thing. Most of the folks who ride Harley's aren't in the physical shape required to ride a sport bike.

Different strokes.....

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 2:05 PM

Conservababe sais "The mother of my grandchildren is voting NO to the Parks tax".

Babe, given the way you react to opposite viewpoints, your daughter-in-law is wise not to cross your path. LOL.

-- Posted by unilib on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 2:25 PM

what's wrong with a vtwin engine?? the blast lists for $4800.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 2:30 PM


Here is a little riddle for you. The mother of my grandchildren is NOT my daughter-in-law. I am laughing so hard.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 2:35 PM

Jerry, the Blast is at best a beginner bike. It is a single cylinder 500. Hardly much of a sport bike.

In addition it is very small and I would look like a monkey scr*wing a football while riding it.

Not very comfortable....

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 2:36 PM

Greywolf said "Unilib, I am not prepared to agree that its the Cities responsibility to make sure kids have something to do."

Greywolf, take your time. LOL While you prepare, take a look at the recommendations of the Institute of Medicine of the National Academies to prevent childhood obesity at http://www.iom.edu/Object.File/Master/23...

Here is an excerpt:

Local governments, public health agencies, schools, and community organizations should collaboratively develop and promote programs that encourage healthful eating behaviors and regular physical activity (...) Local governments, private developers, and community groups should expand opportunities for physical activity, including recreational facilities, parks, playgrounds, sidewalks, bike paths, routes for walking or bicycling to school, and safe streets and neighborhoods, especially for high-risk populations. (...) Communities should prioritize capital improvement

projects to increase opportunities for physical activity.

-- Posted by unilib on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 2:37 PM

Conservababe, I'm glad I made you laugh. Whoever she is, she is a very wise woman.

-- Posted by unilib on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 2:38 PM

Alright Theorist

I will be honest.The pool may leak!I don't use public swimming pools and never really have.My Mom would not allow it.So I guess I could care less about the bubble that isn't that old by the way.Who needs a bubble anyway.If the H.S.needed a pool they should have included one in the new High School funds!At least it

would have been under a roof!And Frankly there is only a select few swim clubs that do nothing but gripe.Perhaps they could have some fund raisers and come up with the funds to help fix what they USE.I have not heard of any of those Swim team Moms and Dads

doing anything like that,just complaining is all I hear.As for Ball fields that won't drain.Well I don't think that should be so darn difficult.I suggest they use some of the incredibly high funds they charge Mens softball teams to play on their fields.It sure won't take a ten year tax to fix fields so that they drain better.Perhaps I could get 50 or so ball players to help with that project and even some of my pals with tractors and back hoes.A lot can be done without increasing sales tax that will burden us now and many years to come.Raising taxes is not always the answer to solving problems.Good work ehtics and management play a huge roll not to mention accountability!Sorry for the lenght of this post.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 2:38 PM


Actually....I can't get past you putting a cigarette in a baby's mouth. Heres to hoping you aren't babysitting much....

-- Posted by Theorist on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 2:39 PM

Thanks Liberty for your comment,,,,3/4 of the postings here are 100% hot air and contribute greatly to Global Warming,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ask the Eskimos whose 40 acres are melting away.

-- Posted by changedname on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 2:40 PM


The operative word here is 'should'. But, I have a question for you, deah. If schools should be promoting exercise for the students then why are they reducing class time for PE and reducing recess times?

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 2:43 PM

Thanks for being honest Greywolf. And this is exactly what I meant earlier. I don't think (and I do realize this is my opinion) that you are supporting this tax, mostly because it doesn't relate to you or your family. Consider taking up swimming. It is absolutely the best exercise for all ages! Just ask some of the Seniors that utilize the pool regularly.

Food for thought....how many area athletes do we have that have been olympic qualifiers? Hint....start with swimmers....

-- Posted by Theorist on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 2:46 PM

Conservababe asked "If schools should be promoting exercise for the students then why are they reducing class time for PE and reducing recess times?"

That's an easy one, Babe. Because our current administration's No Children Left Behind act ties test performance to funding, therefore forcing schools to dedicate more time teaching little robots how to ace the federally-mandated tests. Although the NCLB act does not suggest that schools cut or reduce recess, this has been the most common reaction. Additional class time is needed to meet the demands, and recess is the easiest program to cut. PE is second. Band, music, art... all will have their turn.

-- Posted by unilib on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 2:51 PM

Jerry, I just don't like v-twins and I realize the Blast is not a v-twin but it is a "thumper" (single cylinder) and I am not much of a fan of those either.

Blasts are great for learning to ride but like any bike designed for such, you will quickly outgrow it and desire a larger bike.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 2:52 PM

Greywold said "I don't use public swimming pools and never really have (...) so I guess I could care less about the bubble (...)"

Greywolf, you just proved Theorist's point that you are against the tax just because there's nothing in it for you.

-- Posted by unilib on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 2:54 PM

Now I would LOVE to have the 1125. 167 horses of Rotax fun. Smooth fast and reliable.

That would be a FUN bike to ride.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 2:54 PM

Wow, greywolf you are really upset over this tax. You have a right to your opinion i guess. I'm just hoping people take pride in there community and go out and vote with there heart on Tuesday. A new water park, new shawnee fields, trail improvements, new equipment to actually work on fields, southside recreation center not to mention the stormwater issues. These are all improvements that have been needed for years. Take pride in your city Greywolf that is all we ask or move somewhere else.

I believe the tax sunsets in 10 years so people will have an opportunity if unhappy to not continue the tax.

If Cape Girardeau continues to say it is the biggest city between Memphis and St. Louis then start acting like it. Having people from this community driving to Farmington for a water park is unacceptable.

Greywolf it sounds like you are against Parks and Recreation and the activities and services they offer. That is fine so move to Jackson and enjoy there beautiful churches, parks and schools.

-- Posted by obamayourmomma08 on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 2:56 PM

Hey, it seems things are pretty intense on here today. Just a couple of things before I have to get busy again: Are you Cape folks aware of the water break and boil water order? I just would want you to know. Also Mel, I don't see how your accountability would be questioned by using a pen name as a blogger. The paper still will have your name and information and can keep you accountable. That is my opinion. Anyway, why would you having a pen name (an actual name - not your avatar and name on here) make the readers question you? They wouldn't even know it was a pen name.

-- Posted by thinker on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 2:58 PM


So you like my avatar/senior pitcher?

-- Posted by RocketSurgeon on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 3:04 PM

One more thing, I am not from Cape and won't be voting, but my family would love to have a water park closer than Farmington and Poplar Bluff. And contrary to what I read on here the other day, lots of us who travel to those other parks do indeed spend money in those towns at restaurants, gas stations, and even shopping at some of the places that we don't always have opportunity to shop. I know of lots of scout troops and church groups who also take car loads and bus loads of kids to these places, and then you see them later at a fast food place. (and you have to wait half an hour to order) Just wanted to say that there would be some positive effects on a few businesses in town.

-- Posted by thinker on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 3:05 PM


Where did you get your Sheriff's badge to run people out of town who disagree with you and the Parks tax?

By the way, if you don't know (by your own admission) which part of the tax is subject to sunshine after ten years then maybe you ought to read more on the subject. You should be happy that more informed folks who have done their homework have chosen to speak out.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 3:07 PM

LOL. I own a mercury, and a dodge...LOL Both vans. I've had some experience with sport bikes, but not very fond of them. You might as well put me on a vespa. I owned a 97'heritage classic until I moved back to Cape. I just thought it was interesting you owned a rice burner. Though I do like the look of the kawasaki brute 4x4, I don't have much use for either now days.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 3:11 PM

Rocketsurgeon, Yes, very striking.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 3:14 PM

the 1125R can be yours for $11,995...you can afford it. Go for it!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 3:17 PM


I was the one who said that people who travel to the water parks make it a day trip and eat at the park's food vendors. I still stand by my comment.

But that makes me wonder of something else. Has the city ever done a market survey of the success of bringing extra revenue to ancillary businesses that would profit? If so, I haven't heard.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 3:17 PM

Unilib, you're exactly right on NCLB, it's also one of the reasons they are needing to extend the school day. I PRAY Clinton or Obama will get rid of that useless, USELESS program.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 3:19 PM

Babe, Me'lange, and Greywolf.

You really only have two options on this Water park.

#1 vote yes to the park tax and have control on what the city spends it on. Water park, Improvements ect...


#2 Wait until one of the area entrepreneurs wants to build a Water park with taxpayer funded dollars and have NO control on what will be done.

Like Me'lange said, you can vote YES, then attend the city forums to express where you want the money to be allocated. ;o)

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 3:25 PM

Jerry with two children at Notre Dame (we will have spent **** near $55,000 getting them through grade school and high school not to mention upcoming college expenses), a third grader, a kindergartener (sp?) and a 16 month old at home, spending $12,000 on a motorcycle would be foolish.

Especially considering all the doom and gloom so many of you espouse. I personally refuse to take part on a "recession".

Wallow in misery and have a nice life. I will not participate.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 3:25 PM

Recman,I do not need to move to Jackson!Anymore then I need to be paying nearly 8 percent taxes on all purchases within the City in which I have lived for some 26 years.To me this is like telling my kids that you don't need more toys try playing with the ones you have!And take care of them so they don't end up useless!Whats next?in 3 more years they will ask for another 1/2 cent or even more!Here is my point folks.I have sat back and watched the City literally

waste more money on studies and paying outside firms to do this as well as dipping into rainy day funds to pay to pick up refuge after ice storms not to mention several projects with the University!I do not want this

behavior to continue.My money comes hard enough to see my City waste it on these sorts of things.In short much of the money we neeed to improve parks has already been within our grasp but those shakers and makers who think they know whats best for Cape have screwed things up over the last several years.Thats my opinion!!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 3:27 PM

Instructor, that's just it, you can prevent the recession by making big purchases and showing me and all of the others that we are not heading for a recession.

$55,000 for parochial school??? I was pricing ND and St. V the other day....it wasn't that expensive and I have 3 kids.....Oh wait...you must not be Catholic.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 3:29 PM

Skip that...I just reread your post, that is for multiple years, not just one. Also, I guess I assumed wrong about you. I figured you to be one of those, "the one with the most toys wins types."

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 3:32 PM

"To me this is like telling my kids that you don't need more toys try playing with the ones you have!And take care of them so they don't end up useless!"

Greywolf's kid: "Dad, my bike's tire is flat."

Greywolf: "Sorry, kiddo. No funds here. Ride it the way it is."

Greywolf's kid: "Dad, my videogame console is not working."

Greywolf: "Well, it still looks good to me. Use it as a paperweight and stop complaining, will ya?"

-- Posted by unilib on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 3:36 PM

GREYWOLF: Just give up a little more economic freedom in taxes, and everything will be hunky doory.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 3:37 PM

We better pass a tax for water main repair. Pretty scary when Southeast Hospital has to cancel outpatient surgery. Good grief, can you imagine what would happen if we had a real catastrophe??

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 3:42 PM

Quit your whining, Instructor.

Do the math. You alleged that you have two kids who went to Notre Dame. You further alleged that you have spent nearly $55,000 to get them from grade school through high school, which would be 12 years.

$55,000 divided by 12 years is $4,583.00. Now, divide that by your alleged two children, and it equals only $2,291.00 per year, per child.

Sounds like a bargain in quality education, not a reason to whine.

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 3:47 PM

I agree that the city needs to live within its means, but how do we know that they haven't already been asked to do that. In fact when was the last time that the PR dept received anything from the annual city budget...new equipment, and that 10 year old pickup from public works doesn't count...yes the facilities look nice, but has anyone been in the Arena when it rains because the roof leaks like crazy and the improvements that have been made so far like new tiles in the bleacher are already torn up do to a leaking roof. This dept has done so much with very little, they deserve the opportunity to better this city! vote yes, vote yes, vote yes.

-- Posted by Cbooz4 on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 3:48 PM

Greywolf that is a great analogy. Do you NO how old Capaha Park is, do you no when the last time Arena was made over, how about the ball fields in arena, maintenance trucks that are still used from the 80's.

Do we want to be proactive or reactive. You sound like you run a business person. Do you wait till something is broke before you fix it? Also, bring a receipt home your next time out in St. Louis and look at the sales tax.

Using your comparison the Parks and Recreation toys are breaking. What is it going to hurt to give them a chance with this tax for ten years. Think of the revenue it will bring in down the road.

I'm not going to change you Greywolf but please give it a chance. I have several kids who participate in Parks and Recreation programs and i have not heard many negative things about the services provided.

Get out and vote on April 8th

-- Posted by obamayourmomma08 on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 3:49 PM

Not whining about anything there Jew Hater. Just justifying why it would be stupid for me to buy a $12,000 motorcycle at this point.

My money, I will determine how to spend it. Not you, not Jerry.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 3:52 PM

Unilib!I do not recall ever attacking your character.

Why do you find it necessary to attack mine!I have no use for that from anyone!You can be passionate about

this issue thats ok but keep your attacks to your self.You have no idea how I raised my two boys so please keep your thoughts concerning that to yourself.

Your silly play on my words only shows your poor attitude toward other posters when they do not agree with your opinions!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 3:54 PM

Oh, yeah, that is only $191.00 per month, per child for them to be educated at Notre Dame.

That sounds awfully cheap, to me. Can't understand why anyone would be all whiny about it.

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 3:54 PM

All that being said Jew Hater, I am just happy you have never reproduced.

I do not have alleged children. All five of them are alive and doing quite well.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 3:55 PM


YES, I can imagine what would happen. That's why we need more storm flood control instead of a water park. And the city already has the funds without passing a tax.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 3:58 PM

would think

the park and recreation department

would have something better

to do than

post in the speak out forum

vote no

-- Posted by Stirring_the_Pot on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 3:59 PM

Greywolf, you never attacked me personally and I did not have the intention of attacking you either.

-- Posted by unilib on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 4:03 PM


a boil water order is being issued for most Cape Girardeau residents

second water main break in Cape this week

great timing, surely the voting yes will fix those too along with the Cape's flooding issues Lord love a duck! Vote No

-- Posted by Lord_love_a_duck! on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 4:05 PM

Well, I have changed my mind. The libs have made a good argument that it is for the children to pass this Parks tax.

Therefore I would urge others to go to the polls on Wednesday, April 9th and vote YES.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 4:07 PM

Who works for Parks and Rec here?

-- Posted by obamayourmomma08 on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 4:10 PM

You can't pay your hospital bills, much less $385 a month (every month) for MANY years, so don't be concerned about my financial situation. No one is suing me for any bills I owe. I take care of things quite nicely.

You worry about your situation, I'll be concerned with mine.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 4:13 PM

Dru, Yes..I will determine how you spend your money. BWUAHAHAHAHAAHA...*rolls eyes*

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 4:19 PM

Chooz, thanks for bring up about the leaking roof at Arena Building. Greywolf has this perception that it is in great shape.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 4:20 PM


What's the deal? Are you posting as "Lord Love a Duck?" or is someone mocking you?? LOL. Again?

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 4:22 PM

Jerry, my apologies. That last comment was NOT directed at you. It was directed towards our beloved Jew Hater.

Have a great weekend.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 4:22 PM

Me'lange has disappeared, she must be fighting her case for being the anonymous blogger. I guess she'll run as an anonymous candidate too.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 4:23 PM

Nice try, Conservababe, Old_Codger and Hauptmann. Spreading misinformation really worked to keep Kerry off the White House in 2004, but do you really think it's going to work again? Everyone here already knows the vote is on Tuesday April 8th. LOL This is such an old GOP trick...

-- Posted by unilib on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 4:25 PM

Grey Wolf,

I too agree with your stance on the many tax hikes we have dealt with over the years in the city of Cape . One of the reasons I chose to move out of Cape. I do most of my shoping in the Perryville area or Jackson area . But I do have two young Gobblergetters of my own that would just love to not have to drive all the way out to Farmington or Sixflags to enjoy the day at the water park .

Once this vote passes maybe I could get ya to take my two gobblergetters & enjoy the day at the park on me !

keep on "howlin" Wolf !

-- Posted by GOBBLERGETTER on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 4:27 PM

Unilib, yes I observed that too...It's an old and stupid trick.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 4:32 PM

Wait Lib, I might have misread it.

Here it is:

Those voting YES for the Park and Rec tax are to Vote on Tuesday, April the 8th.

Those Voting NO for the Park and Rec Tax are to vote on Wednesday, April 9th.

Additionally, John McCain will be taken off the November ballot, because he is not a citizen of the United States. Therefore All republicans are urged to Vote in December, or better yet, just don't show up at all. It really won't be worth your time anyway.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 4:37 PM

It seems that I have caused enough debate today concerning this Tax and Stormwater proposal.

I will cease my tirades for today on this subject.

I do however love a good debate and all of the opinions in here today have had some merit!

For the Gobblergetter I will be happy to babysit

your boy and little girl.If indeed it passes and

its built I am sure My twin Grandchildren will want

me to take them also.I only charge 30 dollars an hour

and since I was a corpsman and have been trained in

life saving techiques perhaps I could be a life gaurd

and get out of this buisness I am in.lol

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 4:39 PM


Hells bells....get over yourself. I thought it was funny.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 4:42 PM


You said, "Fact is, I would already be going against my entrepreneur personality by giving my intellectual property rights and time away for FREE."

This is just one reason I stopped doing the reviews, plus...the Missourian wasn't going to pay for my ticket to see the films.

I think your opinions are just as effective posting in the forum as they would be blogging. Like was said before, when you enter the arena of professional journalism, credibility is an important factor. Blogging on a certified media cite under an umbrella of anonimity does not present a credible, professional, and authoritative image.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 4:52 PM

Jerry66: Democrats do follow rules well. When I put a sign on all the voting machines in Florida in 2000 "Please Do Not Press Hard On The Lever It Has A Tendency To Break And Your Vote May Not Be Counted" they followed instructions.

Vote for Gore on April the 9th.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 4:56 PM

Me'lange, reference the 2:25 post. NO apology is required. It was a play on words. IF you remember, you teased me about Voting NO on April 8th, and that I could attend the Council meetings to propose a tax specifically on the sewers. Or something like that, I can't remember now, nor do I care.

It was a play on words. NOT A QUOTE, otherwise I would have put it in quotes.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 4:57 PM

Wow, there is a lot of good debate today!!!! I hate taxes, but I also realize that you must spend some money to have something worth having. I think the City does need to be held accountable for the money it gets from taxes, and should stick to a budget. But I also feel this will bring a lot of money into the City. I've experienced first hand how much money will be spent by people from out of town who use park facilities.

-- Posted by Dr._Will_B._Inebreated on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 4:57 PM

Also, Reference the 3:23 post, I believe it was SWBG who made the comment about you running for something. I was also just "playing" on that.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 4:59 PM

As you tell me, "Take a deep breath"

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 5:00 PM

Hmmmm...Is this much like your comment several weeks ago when you said.

"I Bet Jerry66 is angry about school being cancelled????" (or whatever it was) *** for tat Me'lange. You remember my comment about Respect...right?

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 5:11 PM

Also...Speaking of you running for a position, if you are so impassioned about school and city issues, why don't you run for council or school board?

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 5:13 PM

Also, if you knew what I was doing, why throw such a hissy??

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 5:16 PM


Actually a debate COULD be made on that. According to the Missourian Priester said "the older iron pipes are less flexible and more likely to rupture when the groundshifts. He said it is not clear what caused yesterday's break, but it may have been the result of soil collapsing from being oversaturated by rainwater."

So IF we had proper storm drains in place, this might not have happened. ;o)

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 5:21 PM

Alright, we need to introduce a courtesy in this forum. If you are talking to a person, address him by name. If you are talking ABOUT a person, add his name too.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 5:22 PM

Sales Tax

It's been a Real Fun Hoot reading some of the comments about the proposed increase in Cape's sales taxes. I was going to mention the It's-For-The-Children mantra having been successful time and time again over the last couple of decades--but see that some other posters have commented on that. It Takes a Village of Taxpayers to rear the children, you know. LOL

Seriously, the most glaring thing right now, IMHO, is that this is, indeed, very bad timing, in view of what most are calling a recession (not to mention the fact that obviously Cape has more important needs). Probably history shows that our governments, in times of economical stress, do not cut back, but instead expect more from the taxpayers, many of whom are already struggling with the same income but higher prices.


Yes! Blog! Although I, too, for some reason would hate to have name/photo posted, it doesn't seem out of line for the newspaper to require it. You might end up being a paid journalist someday! LOL


"...do green by hanging our laundry outside to dry while she uses her inside dryer." That's too funny! So, you have noticed that "climate change" proponents aren't necessarily practicing what they preach? LOL Scary article in Time this week about ethanol/biofuels and the destruction of rain forests, etc.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 5:24 PM

Conservababe, the real courtesy would be for the Missourian to require ALL posters to use their real identities. Now that would be progress.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 5:28 PM

Me'lange, that or you can just give me the date and the time you posted them. I guess I'm going to have to start a file on what everyone posts so I can keep track of it.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 5:30 PM


I joined Prodigy bulletin boards in the days when it was one of the few offered except Compuserve and local boards. We were required to post under our real names and I had no problem with that requirement. Be careful what you wish for, Jerry. LOL

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 5:32 PM

Conservababe, I have posted under my real name, that is why everyone knows who I am. Yes....bring on the real identities. I have Noooo problem with that. Maybe you're the one who should be careful ;o)

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 5:35 PM

Just curious, when did I become a Warmonger??? Oh, I know, it is when I wasn't willing to bless Saddam for the saint that he was.

I have and will continue to say, I am and was against us going to war in Iraq. Is there anything I can do about the fact that we are there?? NO Can I vote for someone who I might think has a plan to get us out? YES. Will they? MAYBE NOT.

Calling someone a warmonger just because they don't agree with what you say 100 percent shows your ignorance not mine. I have said you have the right to post what ever you wish (at the paper's discretion), and I have the right to not read it. But I also have a right to respond to it(again at paper's discretion), just as you can to mine.

Hell, one minute I'm being called a peacenic Liberal and the next I'm getting called a Warmonger. Man, you just can't win some days. What ever happened to middle of the road?????

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 5:43 PM

LOL...Pups, I had to laugh when that was posted, I've been waiting for your response to that. LOL

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 5:47 PM


Consider the source.

-- Posted by D'oh on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 5:52 PM

Pups, I think we are ALL (with the exception of the few truly mentally disturbed folks on this forum) more in the middle of the road than we admit.

Jerry, did you see my apology? Just want you to know nothing was directed at you.

Have a good weekend. Looks like a great opportunity to burn some fossil fuels in my low emissions motorcycle (it actually meets CA emissions requirements and has a cat converter).

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 5:56 PM


-- Posted by Mr_Breakfast_Flakes on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 6:00 PM


It's interesting (and rather disturbing), in reading through some of the daily comments, to see some of the apparently personal vindictiveness of a few posters. Incidentally, that is possibly one reason many of us would not want to be using our "real name" here.

It's also interesting to note that some posters have no problem with their own behavior, but do seem to have problems with others doing the same or similar.

Also interesting is how reasonably easy it can be to ascertain the personalities of some posters, as well as to see, however carefully disguised by trying to use a different "writing style," who is posting under various different names.

Many here on SO often do not agree with me, nor I with them. However, that does not make them, or me, bad people. Personal attacks, though, might indicate otherwise.

In all this, what I'm trying to say (in a Mom Voice) is...well, heck, post what you want, but stop making so many things a personal issue. If (insert name) wants to be a conservative or vote no, so be it. If (insert name) wants to be a liberal or vote yes, so what? You don't like someone on here or what they post? Grow up! Ignore them! Or at least argue their points in a less personal manner.

And...don't take this personally (even though you may be guilty of some of the above). I hate it when I get these trite, "can't-we-all-just-get-along" moments.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 6:06 PM


Why were you waiting for my response, or was it anyone's response to the warmongering post?

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 6:08 PM


I absolutely understand--our loss. You'd be good at the blogging!

-- Posted by gurusmom on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 6:08 PM


Didn't read it...but I believe you're The Peacemaker! And I thank you for it.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 6:10 PM


Uh, in the middle of the road, you just get run over.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 6:11 PM

Ok Jerry, no offense but I just got off work and I’m not going through all those sites again. I was a little more chippy than I should have when I posted you back but six hours worth of reading transcripts will do that to a person. I asked you for them so I felt I should at least read what you found. I did find the stuff you posted today on my own last night (with the aid of Google) but once again when you go back to the congressional hearings it is either taken out of context or completely made up. So I say all that to say this. You can find a site that will say anything you want to be said.

Anyway what I was saying about a red herring argument is exactly what you did earlier today. You said I probably didn’t believe in the Bay of Pigs either and that was attempted to be covered up too. A red herring argument is where you point to one factual event to support the case for a second unrelated hypothesis. Bay of Pigs happened so we must have sold chemical weapons to Iraq. It is a failed type of argument for those willing to think and not be led. Many people would just shake their heads and say “yeah, the Bay of Pigs did happen, what the heck are we selling chemical weapons to Iraq for”.

Your links do substantiate and support a case that we allowed US companies to sell them duel use items that we should have known (or did know) they would put to use in an attempt (failed attempt thankfully) to manufacture a nuke.

I’m not trying to argue with you guys. If you want to believe that we have some chemical weapons manufacturing ability and we sold or still sell those abilities then thats your right. Judging from the volume of evidence you sent, I can’t make that conclusion.

-- Posted by Donnie on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 6:14 PM


Figure if I walk down the middle of the road I will be safer cause usually the really dangerous drivers are either way to the left or right of the middle. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 6:16 PM


Writing under a non de plume is much different than presenting yourself as a journalist.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 6:21 PM


Thank you. Though sometimes peacemaker gets the rep as being whimpy. Don't think I'm whimpy, just more willing to listen to the other side when I disagree with them. Doesn't mean I will ever agree, but willing to listen.

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 6:23 PM

Hey there isn’t anything wrong with a wimpy peacemaker. They live to be old.

-- Posted by Donnie on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 6:29 PM


I don’t know if I ever really thought of bloggers as journalists.

-- Posted by Donnie on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 6:33 PM


Frequently YOU stir the pot and then run for the middle of the road...the yellow stripe. You remind me of Raymond who always has to be liked. Most folks here either stand up or stand down. If you think this is a personal attack, it is not, as your description of yourself does not always reflect the opinions you express.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 6:38 PM


Then you should be a blogger and establish your own weblog on the net. This is a newspaper and they expect you to have the credibility of journalists on their site. I find no problem with them owning your intellectual rights, either.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 6:44 PM


Babe is right this is a professional media site, not a bloggers buffets. Yes, they have incorporated blogs, but the fact is, it still has to be held up to journalistic standards. Credibility is a must.


I knew you would be shocked by the warmonger comment, as was I. I was just waiting for you to finally see it.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 6:59 PM


What opinion has conflicted with how I discribe myself?

I have stated I am opinionated but willing to listen. I have at times posted without thinking then thought an appology was required. I have stated with politics I am Democrat with a Liberal leaning just left of middle on most things. Though I have voted Republican on occassion. I don't think we should be in Iraq, but am not willing to disrespect those that are in the Military by calling them Murderers or babykillers. I don't like our current POTUS, but I can't change the fact that he is our POTUS. I don't listen to Rush but he has every right to have his radio station. I am a smart as*, but try to be respectful (not always successfull). I believe in choice but not as a form of birth control. I believe in helping those that need it, but don't care for those that take advantage. I may not believe in total Global Warming, but that we might play a minor part with it. I have been known to call names, but have regretted it almost everytime.

And how was I not to take your statement personal? You directed it at me about me. And you know as well as I do with you being from the south, calling someone Yellow or having a yellow stripe is a personal insult.

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 6:59 PM

Whine, whine, whine.

You are the one who was whining about paying a measly $191 per month (12 months) per child to send them to Notre Dame. Why that is chicken feed for a Mr. Money Bags like you. It seemed like a reasonable amount to pay for quality education. Of course, you could send them to Public Schools.

I say alleged, because while you talk about having five children, it seems that you spend an inordinante amount of time on this blog, for a father of five and a husband. You talk about taking a ride on your bike this weekend, but not about doing anything with your children.

Do you think that if you say "Jew" as in your "Jew Hater" remark often enough that you Donnie, and Levi can make it stick? That's an old communist and GOP trick. Tell a lie often enough until it seems like it must be the truth.

You do not have the mental function to be able to distinguish between a practioner of the religion of Judaism, and a Zionist, which everyone but you three sloths knows that it does not necessarily mean that the person advocating Zionism be Jewish. John Hagee, the cult leader from Texas, is not Jewish, yet he is a Zionist. I expected such slow witted reasoning from you, but since Donnie said that he had been a policeman, I had expected better reasoning from him. I was sadly disappointed.

My avatar clearly has THE LOBBY in it, which a reasoned person would understand that I detest any foreign power having such control over the foreign policy of this nation, and our politics.

You are the one who has gone on about what a nice side of town that you live in, and all the little trinkets which you own, as if that were how you will be judged.

I thought it a bit odd that you would whine about paying so little per month to provide a quality education for them, since you claim to have so much materially.

You judge people by how much they have materially, and woefully, that is your undoing. The way in which you have judged people will be the way in which you will be judged.

Have a nice weekend, enjoy your bike ride. It should be good weather for it. As long as you are not hateful, spiteful, and vindictive, I have no quarrel with you.

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 7:14 PM


You posted this...

"Okay folks...I want your help. I have asked the seMissourian onlines editors to allow me to join their blogosphere. However, there is a catch...I want to do so anonymously, under my username Me'Lange with my Avatar.

They told me I MUST use my real name and a real photo. With past issues teaching me too much public info is NOT a good thing. I do NOT want to do this.

I would do my best not to let the readers down, trying to stimulate interesting topics, involvment in the community, keep the readers up-to-date on City and School information, would welcome issues folks want researched etc...

What do you think? Do you want Me'Lange to Blog on the seMissourian website?"

So, to cut to the chase, you want this paper to change the rules of real identity just for you? Not only that, you want us to bombard the paper to instate you as a blogger? Methinks you have probably over estimated your talent and intellect as a writer if you cannot establish your own blog instead of demanding that this established newspaper afford you one on your own terms.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 7:20 PM


Perhaps "war monger" is not appropriate for you, but I have never seen you write anything here that advocated peace, getting out of Iraq, and bringing the troops home. Therefore, is the title of "peacemaker" appropriate? A peacemaker is not whimpy. A peacemaker is an advocate for peace. There is no wish-washiness in a peacemaker's role. A Peacemaker seeks peace, a peacemaker advocates, lobbys, raises his voice in protest, and even goes into the streets, if necessary, to gain peace.

Those people who gathered at Freedom Corner at West End and Broadway, now, they are peace seakers, they would make peace if they, or, their candidates were in power to do so. Neither McCain, Clinton, nor, Obama are peacemakers. All advocated bombing, or, attacking Pakistan during the debates, or, in the case of McCain, the nut job sang BOMB BOMB IRAN.

If you choose to be a peacemaker, blessings be upon you, however, a peacemaker, a peace seeker is not silent.

When Brill posted NO FACE, the photo of an Iraqi child murdered by American occupation troops in Iraq, there was an outcry from several here. The usual suspects, I am sure. Me'lange, Buckmaster77, AggieFan, and Twiggy66, I believe were the ones who furiously emailed the webmaster to have him removed. While many said that they ignored Brill, apparently, they chose not to do so that day, read his posts, and were disturbed by what their troops in Iraq had done. They wanted to float through the war, thinking happy thoughts, as if Iraqi deaths didn't matter at all, and 4,011 American deaths don't compare to the hundreds of thousands killed in the War of Northern Aggression, or, WWII. Makes me wonder if they stopped to think that those 4,011 American deaths mattered to someone. They mattered to husbands, fathers, mothers, brothers, wifes, and the children of those 4,011 whom have been sacrificed in Iraq to fatten up the Halliburton bottom line, to get an oil pipeline for UNOCAL across Afghanistan, fill the pockets of war profiteers with American and Iraqi blood stained gold, build the "American" empire sought after by the CFR and the PNAC crowd, and appease the foreign power, Israel.

Those 4,011 Amerians matter, the nearly 1.2 million dead Iraqi's, mostly children and old people, matter, the 1.5 million who died as a result of the murderous sanctions imposed upon Iraq at the request of George H.W. Bush and carried on by Bill Clinton and George W. Bush.

I suppose that one could be a peace appreciator, without being vocal, but to be a peackemaker, one must avocate vocally and work for peace.

-- Posted by Liberty_not_Tyranny on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 7:45 PM

TV anchors and faceless journalistic blog attributions are two seperate things. When the TV Anchor talks, you still have a face to correlate to credible journalism. I think you are missing the point here Me'lange.

"Credibility" is what we are talking about. Just because you want to enter the journalistic arena doesn't mean all the rules need to be bent for your purposes. If media is going to move in the direction of unnamed, anonymous reporting, then it will be completely useless.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 7:48 PM

we are gone a few days and wow, all heck breaks loose. someone give me the readers digest version of todays topic.

i saw melange and babe's tiff.

drove through scott city on our way home and noticed "water over road" signs. think it's about time our city father's correct this much needed issue.

Aggie out

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 7:48 PM

Ag/Twig, Vote YES Tuesday, April 8th!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 7:56 PM

The debate isn't over just because you deem it. Frankly, I'm getting sick and tired of you trying to call all the shots. I'll do what I **** well please.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 7:59 PM

See what you've caused, now I'm colluding with Conservababe.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 8:02 PM


I don't need anyone to cover my backside as I do very well on my own, thank you very much. And as MY mother always said...."she sure thinks a lot of herself".

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 8:03 PM


You may as well quit referring to yourself in the third person as we know who you are.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 8:05 PM

Vote "yes" for what, we've been gone. What do we vote for here in Scott City?

By the way, Tyranny, I knew nothing about Brille till I got home last week. Didn't get to see his avatar or postings. That's neithre here nor there.

He was a radical fool. His postings were not from thought, more cut n paste. To use an injured misfigured child as an avatar is thoughtless. Uncalled for.

I'm impressed with your well thought postings. You have the right to your beliefs, how misguided you are. In war there is death, I am sad for every soldier we lost. they are all hero's.

Iraq deserves to be a nation, a fair chance at democracy. Not lead by a tyrannt.

We ought to take care of Cuba next, and as Secratary of Defense Pups, Cuba will be on my agenda. LOL

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 8:10 PM


Ok, maybe I was wrong in my wording, but Gurusmom called me the peacemaker. And I thanked her for the compliment, but I did not call myself a peacemaker and don't actually think of myself as a peace maker.

And I have said over and over and over I want the troops home and the war over. And again I don't agree with why we are there. I just feel that there isn't much I can do with reguard to it. (I know you don't agree.) I could be a real smart as* about some of the things that have been reported in this paper about some of the so called peace seekers you mention, but I will just leave it as reports by this paper.

And this is an opinion page and you have every right to have whatever opinion you want of me. I will try and respect you and make no personal remarks about you or your character, but I do reserve the right to disagree with you.

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 8:13 PM

Sec of Defense Aggie,

Cuba is kind of a non-issue. The problem is being taken care of by Father time and God. Patience my friend patience. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 8:18 PM

New Hillary commercial:

Ring Ring Ring

Its 3am and the phone is ringing, but its not to the White House only FROM the White House.

Hillary: " Hello, Pink Poodle Cabaret? IS my husband there? "

Its 3 in the morning, do you know where your husband is?

I'm Hillary Clinton and I approve of this message.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 8:19 PM

Sec of Defense,

Don't make me call the Under Sec of State!! hahaha

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 8:29 PM


I tell ya who I'd like to meet and thats the "under Gov of New York"

-- Posted by Donnie on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 8:35 PM

Donnie: Was "Lake Keesee" above flood stage this week? LOL

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 8:39 PM

He sold all that to another developer. Yes it was all kinds of in the water. I'm sure it still is.

-- Posted by Donnie on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 8:41 PM


It's not true, you know, that you can accomplish anything you want. My grandmere and mother always sang me an honest lullabye.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 8:43 PM

HI HONEY I'M HOME...what's for dinner!!!.........Honey!?........honey?.......What? Is there no one hangin' around but dogs, hags, and sour snouts, or something?! Looks like I'll just have to go and scrape up my own road-kill for supper. Speakin' of road-kill.

Pups: I'll have you know, I tend to scrape up my freshest and tastiest road-kill right off the center lines of roads! But never fear. By your usual good-natured posts either side of the center line most of the time, I trust you were pretty dang agile in dodge ball when you were a kid...not to mention a pretty good tap-dancer too!! So if any yahoo tries to call you a warmonger, just smile and tell 'em "Pluck yew if ya can't take a joke"! Offer them a shaft. Heck, a vast majority of us who ever put on the uniform prayed never to see war up close and personal; however, once into the deep Sierra of it, you might agree that it behooves us to kick Alpha & take names, while bustin' the bad guys' toys 'til they've either had enough, or are duly exterminated. Come to think of it, there are quite enough bad guys right here in this country who could stand a little of that action!! I suppose that's why "the agency" is always prep'ing for action, for when the curtain goes up for such fun. So just keep dancin' the way you see fit.

Geeze. By the looks of my micro scroll bar (can't hardly see it), I either missed some good, juicy hate-and-discontent, or...oh, I see...a certain someone's back. Oh well, I'd best get on the center line and slurp my own road-kill for now. Wake me up if things get ugly. I like ugly stuff! Matches my jocular persona!!! Burma Shave.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 8:47 PM


And who would that be?? I don't know much about New York.

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 8:47 PM

Me'Lange: You have to care about something to write about it. You seem like you care.

I quit writing a column because I no longer cared. It became a job just to put something out every week.

I have a great life. I have no titles and have no job.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 8:50 PM


A person who tries to make peace between enemies, people who are quarrelling, etc. (Example: When my brother and sister quarrel I act as peacemaker.)

One of my personal definitions: One who attempts to take an unpleasant situation and lighten it up. You're quite good at that, normally, pups. Lately, though, it looks like we're in more need of Bethie's whips (maybe she has some chains and gags, too?).

Mom is very disappointed in some of you lately. Oh! Like you care... LOL

-- Posted by gurusmom on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 8:51 PM

Old Codger

Would you tell us where you were published?

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 8:55 PM


I laughed so hard I cried a few minutes ago. My family had a little mom and pop store many years ago in Cape County. They cleaned out the store and boxed some things up that went into an uncle’s attic many years ago. I think from the magazines it must have been the early 60s. Anyway long story short we ended up with much of it and we are prepping for a move and we were ebaying anything of value out of those boxes. I came across a Burma Shave soap cake.

You feel like saying what the moniker stands for you post under? No pressure if you don’t but I’ve been curious for along time. You once said something about a hedgehog. I know that to be a 50s-60s era ASW system on DDs and FFs. I figured it had something to do with the Navy.


Man I think the world of you but if you were turned any farther left you could race Talladega. What’s this middle of the road stuff?

-- Posted by Donnie on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 8:59 PM


Blessed be the peacemakers but they accomplish nothing. Tis better to allow the confrontation than stifle opinion or emotions.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 9:01 PM

Conservababe, you know **** well I am picking you up on TUESDAY, April 8th to vote YES for the Parks and Rec Tax. I'll be there early, so be ready!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 9:02 PM


Wow, et tu????

I'm out for awhile. Night

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 9:09 PM


I hope that didn't come off mean. I'm just saying you are a little (Ok a whole bunch) to the left. It doesn't have to be a bad thing its just where you take your stands.

-- Posted by Donnie on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 9:12 PM

Babe: I wrote a weekly economics column for the local paper in Bollinger County. Back in my younger days I wrote for a KC wesite.

Babe, a question; why did the democrats continue to fund the war in Iraq?

-- Posted by BCStoned on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 9:18 PM

babe...I'm Laughing! That's not exactly how I remember "Blessed be the..." LOL

No doubt things in my background have made me really hate unpleasantness. I'm sorry (said in a little-girl voice). Now that doesn't mean I don't enjoy a little rousing debate now and then...but only if it's reasonably civil.

However, on a more positive note: With absolutely no physical punishments or screaming (in fact they knew, & pop has learned...the quieter I get, the faster they'd better shape up), my children always seemed to "get the message" about what I was telling them to do or not do. Does that mean that sometimes a "peacemaker" can, in fact, accomplish something? I'd really like to think so.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 9:23 PM

Old Codger

Dems continue to fund the War on Terrorism because they do get high security briefings on the WTO, especially of Iraq. They are fearful of cutting funding and will not do so even if there is a sweep in their favor in the elections.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 9:25 PM

Babe: The Democrats proffit more off the military industrial complex than do Republicans. Although there are more Republican investors the sum of their investments are meager $577,500 compared to Democrats $3.7 million. Joe Lieberman is top dog in investments, John Kerry is second and Roy Blunt was third. War benefits these three congressmen the most.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 9:34 PM

would any of you know how we could get a list of foreclosed homes in our area?

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 9:34 PM

Thanks for your synopsis of my life Michael. My family and I really appreciate and respect what you have to say.

I do find it odd that you talk of yourself in the third person. My nephew, when he was three years old did the same thing. Interesting....

As a matter of fact, I take any one of my three children old enough to ride on the bike with me on a pretty consistent basis. The teenagers and the nine year old really enjoy riding...thanks for being concerned how I spend time with my children.

Everyone else, have a great weekend. It will be a great weekend to clean out the garage and get things arranged.

-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 9:37 PM

Babe: Also their investments have nearly doubled in value since 2004.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 9:39 PM

Hello James Nall

I love reading your opinions. hmmmmm...is this why my grandmother always said that democrats love the bloody nickel of war?

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 9:45 PM

Here you go Aggie:


-- Posted by Instructor_aka____________ on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 9:49 PM

Babe: War and regulation is very profitable. Lady Bird Johnson was accused of making a fortune off the Vietnam War. Congressmen make an 8 to 9 percent off their investments or nearly twice as much as the average investor. What most people don't realize is that legislation is transfers of wealth. Investing in the right company in a field that you are considering regulating can be rewarding. Not just picking on Democrats both party members do this. Is it unethical, sure but who notices. Political office can make you rich.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 10:06 PM

James Nall

I'm interested in how Lady Bird made money on the Vietnam War. I'm also interested as to how congressmen can control their holdings since they are held in a blind trust.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 10:18 PM

The people of Chaffee need to know Tuesday the 8th of April is the election for city aldermans, please get out and vote to get change in our city councel.Vote out the backdoor politics in chaffee.Please city of Chaffee vote our existing councel out and lets get some ownest people in to take care of this city and quit the lying and backdoor dealings.

-- Posted by hunter47 on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 10:24 PM

Thank you Instructor.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 10:28 PM

I too Babe, would like to know how my fellow Texan made money off of Vietnam. That is so off the wall.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 10:43 PM

Wait a minute...So Old Codger was James Nall???

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 10:45 PM

I'm going to have to withhold my ability to say I'll be able to come to the dinner next weekend. I had a trip to L&D today and a RX of modified bed rest until at least Monday....maybe longer.


I'm ok and bebe is alright though.

I've been reading..but the tax issue isn't my place to jump in on...I don't live in Cape so I can't vote for or against it.

-- Posted by Superbethie on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 10:51 PM


While they have the date incorrect, Conservababe, James Nall, Old Codger, Herr_Hauptmann_DES, and Greywolf HAVE endorsed the VOTE YES on TUESDAY, APRIL 8th! Don't believe me? Check out their posts!!! Hurray!!! Once again, they have the wrong date, but VOTE YES ON TUESDAY, APRIL 8th!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 10:55 PM


Sorry if I missed your earlier post...don't know if you're still lurking about this pond. I tend to jump on & off my 'puter during the day/eve, rather than ride it constantly.

I think it's a scream that you found that Burma Shave soap cake! I've gotta admit that I've never seen an actual Burma Shave product, so the brand name has a different meaning for me...and why I use it sometimes to end my posts. I'm sure some folks my age or older would get my drift, especially if their folks took them on long road trips as kids. On long stretches, especially through desert areas, you'd occasionally come upon a series of small red signs stretched along the road, usually telling riddles or jokes...I always figured their purpose was to keep drivers alert. Anyway, the riddle always ended with the the last sign reading "Burma Shave"!

On my posts, when I end with Burma Shave, I'm hinting that most of said post is just a signal that I'm kinda messin' around, trying to be funny, etc. If you see me using Bravo Sierra (& I'm sure you know what I'm saying), it's my phonetic way of cussing, and I'm probably being a little more serious about my opinions, if not outright Papa Oscar'd...I'm sure ya got that one down too!!

If, by my moniker, you were asking about my ship avatar, it's a B&W file photo of the first ship I served on in the U.S. Coast Guard, (my 1st branch of military service), Viet Nam era. And, yup, it did still have old hedgehogs on it! The interesting thing is this ship, USCGC Chautauqua,W41, was a WWII DE (destroyer escort) which the Navy handed over a bunch of to the CG, which were referred to as "lake class" cutters. Trouble was, by the time I served on the 255 ft. tub, it was always trying to sink on us!

I have a color photo of a more modern cutter I served on; however, I'm just fond of my memories of this old boat...er, I mean ship...kinda like referring to a gun as a rifle! Since I like history, I used to walk the decks of the ship while at sea, just thinking about what it was doing during WWII. I hope this answers your question.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 11:01 PM

Here you go:

As you can plainly see, they have their dates all mixed up, but they certainly support it and are voting YES on TUESDAY, APRIL 8TH!!! JOIN THEM!!!

Vote Yes on April 9TH

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, 7:41 pm CDT


Regarding the Tax Vote (YES!), on WEDNESDAY, 9 April:

Quite frankly, I trust that once the Demsocs consolidate their seizure of oppressive, tyrannical power over the masses, "the children" will be sufficiently exercised & recreated via the NEA-controlled village-state government indoctrination centers Uncle Karl referred to as "public schools". There will be ample events, such as lockstep marching and mass calisthenics drills, plus formation jogging to mass propaganda rallies (I recommend that all events be accompanied by rousing German military march music!) thus sufficiently preparing our little communal wards to properly and energetically dedicate their services to the needs of "the cause".

That being said, I must issue forth to hunt & gather adequate provisions to sustain ourselves through Tuesday, 8 Apr, so as to save our strength and psych-up for joining our VOTE YES comrades in storming the polls on WEDNESDAY, 9 Apr, and due our patriotic duty...for "the children"!! We must drive those nasty, evil & stingy No voters from the field (on WEDNESDAY) and shame them into conforming to the state's grand & noble scheme. Please, my fellow comrades, prepare for and do not forget to do your collective duty on WEDNESDAY, 9 Apr. Long live the village!! Long live "the children"...that is, until they grow old and non-productive to the state...then they will have to be recycled, or liquidated. Burma Shave!!!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, 2:38 pm CDT


GREYWOLF: Vote yes on April 9th, give up a little of your children and their children,s freedom with this tax increase. Heck by the time they are out of public school they won't know what freedom is anyway. They will think that it is a government handout like everything else.

-- Posted by James Nall on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, 3:22 pm CDT



The condensed version is that Cape voters will vote YES to the Parks tax on Wednesday, the 9th.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, 7:07 pm CDT

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 11:03 PM

Bwuahahahaha!!! Sig Hiel! 10-4! Over and Out! and all the good ole mishuginah! Buster Brown Shoes out!~~~

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 11:07 PM

Aggie and Twiggy

I don't know but perhaps Lady Bird had investments in Sealand Cargo Co during Nam.

So, are you both from Texas?

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 11:11 PM


Surely you folks were fans of Ann Richards.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 11:14 PM

I'm glad the Missourian is Posting the big VOTE YES on TUESDAY, APRIL 8TH logo on top of the speakout page. Sure is hilarious

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 11:16 PM

I am from Bryan,Tx. Twiggy is from Scott City.

NO I'm NOT a fan of Ann Richards.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 11:29 PM


Info you, dumb-Alpha, we got our posts exactly the way we wanted them! Perhaps you should go back and read 'em yourself, and drain some of that Sierra out from between your ears. You're in such a rush to mock and vilify those you hate, you know, those who won't submit to your mentally ill leftist ideology, you tend to go cross-eyed while projecting your own iniquities. So pluck yew if ya can't take, let alone understand a joke. You want the shaft, or how about the fid...if ya get my drift. What the hey, your rudder's stuck so hard to port, you're running in circles anyway. Other than that, Brill Jr., go play in the street...ain't got time to waste on your ilk. No Burma Shave here. Herr out.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 11:35 PM

Babe, so your guessing she had investments? Or you know? Don't make accusations without proof.

I dont have "fond" memories of LBJ, but Lady Bird was elite, one of a kind.

My parents used to take us on outings when I was young. On some of those we would go to LBJ park, she still lived there on the ranch. If you were lucky, she would come out and wave, say hello and such. Remarkable woman. In my opinion, She married beneath her.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 11:36 PM


Oh for heavens sakes...I don't know anything for sure about what Old Codger said. I did some research and that company kept cropping up. Maybe he will enlighten us tomorrow.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 11:51 PM


Wow, I was about to go lights-out and spotted your short blurb! You're from Bryan, TX, Aggie? Neat! I was stationed in Clovis, NM in the 80's. And back when I was a teen, my family took a trip to see some friends in Bryan. They lived on a big ranch, and did their deer hunting in tree shacks(?)! One night while we were there, our hosts took us out for a little night armadillo hunting. That was a riot chasing 'em around in a jeep trying to get a bead on 'em in the headlights!!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Fri, Apr 4, 2008, at 11:52 PM

Babe: Try this site for Congressional investments into the Military-Industrial-Complex.


Aggiefan: I have no proof of Lady Birds investments in the Vietnam War. She was accused by former vets of the war, not me.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Sat, Apr 5, 2008, at 12:21 AM

Sig Hiel, 10-4, Over and out, and blah blah blah...yeah, we're all sick of that too! Briney Christle Bristles out! Take your pancakes and cigarettes out cho mouth and bite it! LOL GIGGLE!GOGGLES! GOOGLES!! LOL

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sat, Apr 5, 2008, at 12:57 AM

You Yerks!

-- Posted by Bubba_Ray_Dudley on Sat, Apr 5, 2008, at 1:05 AM

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