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Speak out 3/18/08

Tuesday, March 18, 2008

Special interests

SO, THE Republican Missouri Senate wants to give money to special-interest groups. We still have over 100,000 people struggling to buy groceries, get proper health care and purchase the prescription drugs they need because of the 2005 Medicaid cuts, but the senators don't hesitate to fund the debunked ethanol industry. Interesting.

Exhausted taxes

WITH GASOLINE hovering at $3 a gallon, it frustrates me to see police cars and municipal equipment idling all day. Any time the police are at a scene, no matter how long, the cars are always running. Before it was to keep all the lights from running the battery down, but with the LED lights on them now they could do the same thing with an extra battery. I see my tax dollars coming out the exhaust pipe.

Worst and best

DAVID LIMBAUGH'S there's-a-terrorist-under-every-bed strategy to stop the Democrats from keeping control of the federal legislative branch and taking control the the executive branch is fear-mongering at its worst and political strategy at its best.

Not good or bad

PROJECTING HUMAN characteristics onto animals is known as anthropomorphism. Someone said the deer are bad in Cape Girardeau. Deer do not have consciences, as do most humans (sociopaths excepted). Thus, deer can't or shouldn't be judged as either good or bad.

Silly idea

LET'S GET over this dangerous, holier-than-thou, silly idea that God chose the U.S. to be a beacon of freedom and goodness for the rest of the world. This false belief has turned us into sanctimonious, self righteous, do-gooding, mold-the-world-in-our-image neo-imperialists.

Sending a message

WHAT KIND of message does a high school play give? It shows what kids can do with their free time instead of doing drug. High school kids know the difference between right and wrong. I was in Red Dagger when I was in high school. Instead of spending my free time drinking, smoking and doing drugs, I was rehearsing, dancing, singing and making new friends. When high school kids go to a play, they see talent and some good entertainment. Plays do not influence teenagers. Their peers do. Claims that a high school play sends the wrong message is ridiculous. Out-of-wedlock pregnancies come from teens who weren't taught by their parents to practice abstinence or safe sex. Teens think they know everything, but I had a mom who made sure to pound it in my head what's right and what's wrong. Maybe it's not the world of video games, music and movies that has changed our kids. Maybe it's the fact that most parents are too busy to attend to raising their kids right.

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where did everybody go ??

-- Posted by ..Rick on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 7:41 AM

I guess they're waiting for the rain to quit.

-- Posted by RocketSurgeon on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 8:25 AM

RocketS, that is one heck of an avatar.

-- Posted by stevmo on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 8:56 AM

Glad our govt can find the money to help out the poor farmers and business folks investing in the ;Ethanol; farce...........they all walk hand in handout....

-- Posted by changedname on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 9:08 AM


To answer your question yesterday about UHC:

I am in a somewhat unique position of having experienced both systems of health care and have come to the conclusion that there are benefits to both as well as drawbacks.

UHC in Canada - The government deducts premiums out of your paycheques all year long weither you use the health care service or not. But when you do need it the service is provided and no money is paid directly out of pocket. This includes the doctors office visits, emergency rooms, or hospital stays and medicaly necessary operations. Elective surguries such as "cosmetic" are not covered. I, myself prefer UHC over the "pay as you go" service because everyone is covered including all children and elderly who do not work. The government regulates how much doctors get for each visit/procedure so you do not see the advertisements that you do in the US. A big draw back right now is the lack of medical personel. Most communities are severely understaffed when it comes to Family Physicians and specialists. It is the baby boomer doctors that are now retiring and not enough new ones coming in to fill those positions which is causing a backup in emergency rooms with none emergency related illnesses because people have no one else to go to.

As for the US system:

It was alright. The company my husband worked for had great coverage (80%/20%) on most things. And we never really had a problem with our insurance company. But I knew of people who couldn't afford insurance for the whole family, so the kids were insured, but parents weren't or the other way around. Some had bills from the hospital that they were making installments on like a car payment or credit card debt. This disturbed me because it was for the birth of her last child, which at that time was already 5 years old. It could be that I was just not used to that type of debt, but it boggled my mind. Under the US system you look after each individual, which means those who can not pay do not get the necessary care they may need. Many times that means the elderly go without or the man who lost his job due to downsizing in his company or the closure of a plant, his whole family looses coverage.

There are drawbacks to every system. I prefer UHC because I find that the doctors are not in competition with each other and tend to work together for the betterment of the patients. I heard about alot of snarkiness from doctors in Cape when patients went for second opinions or had procedures done in St. Louis and wanted to have follow up appointments done in Cape. I just don't find that here in Ontario. I've also lived on the west coast of Canada in British Columbia and did not see it there either.

Ok.. I feel as if I am rambling. There are so many differences in each system I could not touch on them all. If you have specific questions I can try to answer them.

-- Posted by Sashy29 on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 9:14 AM


Thanks—I used my senior pitcher.

-- Posted by RocketSurgeon on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 9:25 AM


Thanks for your post. Nice to hear from someone who has experienced both systems.

Speaking of placing human characteristics on deer. Many a SO topic was on the killing of deer humanely.

How can you kill something humanely if it is not human. Can we kill the deer deerly? I suggest we kill deer deerly befitting what is just for a deer in a deerly manner.

-- Posted by SWBG on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 9:29 AM


Thank you. Hearing the perspective of UHC from someone that actually experiences it is very helpful. And the fact that you can compare the two is great. Might have to concider rethinking my position on it.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 9:44 AM

Anyone else hear Jackson school closing at 10:30?

-- Posted by outnabout on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 9:59 AM

Checked out KFVS web site and there are several area schools closing today. I assume because of the rain. Jackson was not listed.

-- Posted by SWBG on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 10:05 AM

Me Lange- yeah I saw that on kfvs but heard from a bus driver they are closing. Thx

-- Posted by outnabout on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 10:05 AM

Yes Jackson closed 2 years ago for flooding. I just wish if they've already told the bus drivers they would tell the public so I can make arrangements.

-- Posted by outnabout on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 10:13 AM

I called the school snd here's what I was told. "At this point that is still a rumor"

-- Posted by outnabout on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 10:23 AM

re: silly idea

God may not have chosen us to be the beacon of freedom but the world did. We are the first called on to supply aid or military assistance around the world.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 10:32 AM


You say there is a shortage of younger physicians in Canada. Could the cause be that they do not wish to go through the training only to be told how to set their rates by the government?

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 10:41 AM

Cape schools closing at 11:30. You can pick up your kids early if you wish.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 10:49 AM

I wonder if there are any highway closings yet.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 12:29 PM

Me'Lange: The creeks are a rising. Our creek is now into the back of our yard and rising. Trees are floating through the fields. I live between Marble Hill and Advance. We are doing fine so far.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 12:31 PM

Babe: 34 and 51 are closed at Marble Hill and P hwy south of Delta are closed for sure. There may be others. I look for Caster River to go over 51 at Zalma later, and the Channel to go over 91 between here and Advance. I warned my son to stay at work if the Channel gets over 91.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 12:38 PM

Thanks Old Codger

KFVS headlines has a blurb saying evacuations are being ordered but nothing about where. Evidently our storm systems here in Cape can't keep up. My daughter says that the soccer fields beside the Osage Center have white caps.

Any others with flood news at your place, please check in?

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 12:47 PM

Babe: Glen Allen has been evacuated. I'm staying home in the dry, the creek would have to rise a few more feet to get to the house. There is a lake across the road that we are keeping an eye on, it's overflowing part of its levy.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 12:56 PM

Me'lange, have you changed your mind about supporting the storm sewer tax now?? LOL

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 1:14 PM


There are many young doctors in the system. I highly doubt it is because of the government fee based system. Infact, I had a nieghbour who was a doctor in this area and one of her other male doctor friends moved to the US to practice. After less then 10 years in the states he decided to move back to Canada and practice here. His main reason was not money based. It was the lack of co-operation among doctors and the proprietary tendencies of specialists when it came to patients. He hated the fact that each physician was pitted against another instead of drawing from the knowledge of all available to heal those in need. He sighted the necessity of advertising to draw in clientel was a pain and put him always in direct competition with fellow collegues. So, no, I don't think it is the set fees that is the cause of our shortage of doctors.

Infact, there are many foriegn doctors living in Toronto, Ottawa and Vancouver who are forced to be taxi drivers and such because the Canadian government does not recognize thier crudentials from thier mother country. Our government is working on a program to have these doctors certified here. Unfortunately right now it takes years for that to happen. Language is also a common barrier. They have to learn English/French terms for thier medical words and that takes time and money.

-- Posted by Sashy29 on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 1:14 PM


Thank you for this explaination. Infact, I would have loved to have heard more. I think your point about "not enough" medical professionals in UHC is valid, but I can see the same problem occuring here in the states. While I have never received the benefits of a UHC system, I have many friends in Canada and the UK who say they wouldn't have it any other way. MANY of the bloggers who post comments on here make negative comments about UHC without knowing the true facts.

Here are some of them that you could address.

Some comments have been.

"They pay 35%-45% in taxes"

"There are long waiting lines"

"The health care professionals under UHC are not as capable as the ones we have in the United States"

While these are not "direct" quotes, they sum up some of the attitudes.

Additionally, it has been stated by MANY that UHC is associated with socialism and socialistic governments.

I am very interested in your take on these comments. Can you negate or support any of these?

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 1:26 PM


Do you know what percentage withheld from your paycheck is for your medical coverage?

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 1:34 PM

Who me?, could you explain what you mean by this? "No one wants to be a doc for 150K a year when they can do much better in other fields." I don't understand it at all. Since when do docs make so little? What is it that pays so much more? I'm not being sarcastic, I really don't get it.

-- Posted by SaviorBreath on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 1:51 PM

Who me.

I take issue with your comment.

#1. I already wait in the waiting room for long periods with 40-60 people at Regional Primary Care.

#2. I highly doubt people in a UHC system are paying 60% out of their checks.

#3 Perhaps if OUR current system focused more on "preventative" care instead of "at-need" care our system wouldn't be financially bogged down. It's pretty pathetic when I wait 45 minutes to see the doctor, he sees me for 2 minutes, types into his computer, then gives me a prescription with a note to the pharmacy saying, "Use Namebrand."

Really, if it's all about $, I don't want them working on me. I'd rather have someone who actually cared about what they were doing and became a doctor to heal and help.

;o) You betcha UHC is coming!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 1:53 PM

Who me?, are you saying that is how much docs will make when/if we get UHC?

-- Posted by SaviorBreath on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 1:53 PM


Just wondering, since streets are closed, and schools are closed. It kind of surprised me we had this much difficulty today. It definately solidified my new "Vote YES!" to every tax position. ;o)

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 1:57 PM

A car has been swept off Highway 34 east of Marble Hill and rescue workers are searching for the missing person. (per KFVS)

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 2:35 PM


I hope you have flood insurance but most in this area cannot purchase it.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 2:37 PM

Look at the flood picture...go toward the oncoming car lights, almost to the top of the hill, turn right and go almost to the top of that hill, and there we are...stranded again! ~sigh~ According to everyone we've called, there is no way out of this area. Surprisingly, the pharmacy is closed (it's on this side of the creek), so guessing no one could make it to work.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 2:47 PM

Yes, I live on a hill, but am having "plenty" of problems today.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 2:52 PM

Ohh and conservababe, I'm not sure about "flood" insurance, but most homes do have coverage for water damage. I already called my insurance lady, I'm covered.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 2:54 PM


I'm glad that yall are safe even if stranded again. If you need emergency prescriptions or medical equipment call your designated number for rescue help.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 2:55 PM


Water damage is not flood damage. I'll be willing to bet you don't have flood insurance unless you bought it from the government if they allowed you to do so.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 2:58 PM

I am at the bottom of a huge hill, the very bottom, but so far so good in the house. My backyard is mostly washed away, however. There are new "drainage ditches", i.e., erosion from three houses up, all draining to my yard, which is about 6-7 inches deep, then down to the storm drain. Fortunately, the storm drain is a large one.

-- Posted by SaviorBreath on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 3:10 PM

Actually Conservababe, I just talked with my agent "again" Yes, the insurance goes through FEMA, but any insurance agent can give quote for it. Additionally, you are more apt to get flood insurance if you live in a "flood zone" than if you don't. AKA...I live on a hill, so I would have no need for flood insurance, but I do have protection against water damage.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 3:24 PM

Pop's son just left for KY...against all our advice! All our friends scattered around the county say that there is absolutely no way to get through to Perryville, Sikeston, Cape, etc., so he may be back!

Meanwhile, we're also seeing a lot of "washing" here on the hill. Guess I'd better go finish mopping up the utility room; water ran under the back door and flooded it. It's always something new and exciting!

Thanks, babe, for the prescription information!

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 3:34 PM


I just talked to my insurance agent and she confirmed what I thought. No one can buy flood insurance unless they live in a flood plain. Water damage from a flood is not covered if you do not have flood insurance. She said a lot of people are going to be very surprised and disappointed when submitting claims.

Sav...I LOVE your avatar. You always make me giggle.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 3:40 PM


Oh my goodness, I hope your stepson can even get back to your home as it is getting worse by the hour. Now, why are men so stubborn? LOL

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 3:45 PM

Im not too sure I wanna leave work and go home!

All this talk about basements flooding I am now

very concerned about mine.Think I will send my

boy to the house and check on things.As I look

out my window its coming down in sheets!Hope all

of ya'l stay safe and dry!!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 3:46 PM

Jerry--agreed. After today, I'm definitely voting YES on April 8 as well. This city needs an infrastructure upgrade urgently!

-- Posted by unilib on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 3:51 PM

Jay Knutdson arranged this rain to prove to the folks of this city that we need to vote YES on the stormwater project. Is he a Republican? Is he related to Bush? glub glub

-- Posted by SaviorBreath on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 4:08 PM


Well, as far as my experience today with the rain....

Mt Auburn is closed at the corner of Kingshighway heading toward Williams.

Perryville Rd. is closed at the corner of Broadway.

Capaha Park pond/lake is flooding almost into Broadway and has pretty much covered the baseball diamond and the corner of Perryville Rd and Broadway.

The two right lanes of Broadway from Caruthers to Perryville Rd appear to be flooded.

That's about all I can see/have seen from my two jobs today. People are driving like idiots, but that just my opinion of other drivers today.

My basement's sump pump is running pretty much non stop this morning/afternoon, but should be no flooding provided pump continues to work the way it should. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 4:15 PM


Your avitar better start learning to swim. LOL Poor thing looks a bit scared. :-)

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 4:16 PM


You think Cape would have escaped this even with the piddling amount they would spend on flood control that is on the ballot?

Gov Blunt has actived the State Emergency teams and the Guard.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 4:16 PM


And to where does your sump pump pump the water?

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 4:28 PM

PUPS, maybe you need this!!! ---->

-- Posted by SaviorBreath on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 4:31 PM


The sump pump pumps the pumped water into the sewer line. On a day like today I'm glad it isn't pumped out into the yard like some I know. Spent a lot of money on having the corigated pipe run around the basement and attached to sewer line to catch all the water seeping up from the ground outside. So hopefully when I get home tonight I'll still have a dry basement. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 4:34 PM


Thanks for thinking of the puppies. You are definately cleave with the photoshop. Might have to take their innertube if it keeps raining until I ******* work tonight. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 4:37 PM

ok,,, the "*'s" were for g-e-t o-f-f work. Wow, touchy filter systems we have now.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 4:38 PM


I also saved the floating pups avitar so you can bring yours back. Thank you.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 4:40 PM

Son called: He and 5-6 others are in a parking area near the Castor river, waiting for the water to go down. He heard on the radio that the flood warning had been lifted in Bollinger Co. at 3:00. It's still raining here so assuming that it's the rain elsewhere that caused the creeks/rivers to flood. God! I hope Jer's restaurant didn't get flooded! Would hate to lose one of the few good places to eat in Marble Hill.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 4:42 PM


Not that I want anything bad to happen to Jer's, but if they had to close for a bit for clean up and the water reseeded from your door. Maybe get you to come to Cape and have lunch with the adopted Son???? j/k

Truely hope you are doing ok out there and the water stays only a minor inconvience for you and Pop. After the ice damage and now the water issue Mother Nature sure is packing a walop this year.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 4:49 PM

I think I am safe now on my rowboat. Glad to help out the pups, too. Going to check on my dad's house...

-- Posted by SaviorBreath on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 5:10 PM


That is too funny...the problem with lunches in Cape is that mornings are my slowest times, physically and mentally. Think I've mentioned before that at just before lunchtime at work, I'd often have to stop and ask myself: "Did I take the bus, the car or the motorcycle to work today?" Kind of scary knowing people like me might be on the road at 7:30am while still asleep, hmm?

Who Me

According to the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, the Congressional Budget Office, a Dartmouth Medical School study, etc., the waste (and fraud) in just the Medicare/Medicaid programs amounts to approximately $185 billion. So...we're saying that our government could institute and oversee UHC efficiently and cost-effectively?

Until I see the "percentages" that current proposed UHC plans mention--percentages assessed on individuals, businesses, health care providers--and see the government correct all of its other wasteful practices (around $1 trillion!), guess I unfortunately cannot be "for" UHC run by our government, especially if it were a mandatory program.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 5:27 PM


I totally understand about mornings. I'm the same sometime. (Must have inherated that from you. *wink*) Maybe have to see about scheduling a dinner on a Sat. or Sun. sometime that everyone or most can make it.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 5:41 PM

I won't vote for any more tax increases of any kind until we have new people in power. We've been lied to, money has not been used as we were led to believe it would be. I voted and even campaigned for Knudtson the first go around but never ever again. Laws have been broken then amended to cover them being broken. it needs to stop and the only method of speaking we have is through our vote. mine will be no.

-- Posted by Karla J. on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 5:56 PM


KFVS showed a video of the flood in '86. I remember that one well. A traveler had to abandon his car, break into BG's and get up on tables. Most car dealers on Kingshighway lost their inventory. The water level reached three feet.

(PS...why do we have a 'preview your comment' option if you lose it all when trying to correct?)

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 6:55 PM

I have at least 3 feet of water in my basement and it has ruined everything from washer and dryer to furnace and hot water heater. Everythings a floating Another lady up the street has 4 sup pumps going and has flood insurance and they said they wouldn't pay off because its the city sewer system that is making this problem. They have to sue the city. Well my land lord tried and it didn't do no good. Who is going to pay for my washer dryer and mis. things in my basement. Every body south of william that has a basement has water in it.

-- Posted by casey2002 on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 6:58 PM


OMG, I am so sorry. The folks in Hurricane Katrina and Rita went through the same runaround with insurance. They tried to say it was wind damage not flood damage or visa versa to get out of paying.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 7:13 PM

There should be a DARWIN award given to those who insist on driving through flood waters and then have to be rescued. KFVS showed this one yahoo, with a child in his truck, that drove through because he wanted to test out his truck.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 7:23 PM

Well the creek is going down. It went down about 6 inches, house and farm equipment saved. Thing is you can't get anywhere from here, both ends of the road is blocked off by water. I almost had to rescue a meal, a possum stranded on the levy next to us. Poor thing he wasn't fat enough to be much of a meal.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 7:37 PM

To lighten things up a bit while stranded here on the hill--and SO sorry to hear about people's basements flooding!:

How to use the stimulus rebate:

If we spend that money at Wal-Mart, all the money will go to China. If we spend it on gasoline it will all go to the Arabs; if we purchase a computer it will all go to India; if we purchase fruit and vegetables it will all go to Mexico, Honduras, and Guatemala; if we purchase a good car it will all go to Japan; if we purchase useless junk it will all go to Taiwan and none of it will help the American economy.

We need to keep that money here in America, so the only way to keep that money here at home is to buy prostitutes and beer, since those are the only businesses still in the US.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 7:40 PM

Sorry about the skinny opossum, Old Codger! Now you know to fatten them up before the next disaster!

Good idea, pups...a weekend dinner. A cookout this summer sounds good, too! I could bring my world-famous potato salad and sourkraut cake. ;-)

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 7:44 PM


You cracked me up...prostitutes and beer. Dang...I'd be paying the Irish for my beer even! (I'm a Guinness drinker). I don't know much about the prostitutes. LOL. I've never looked into the market. ROFL


Hope everyone is safe. I'm doing ok. Have some family member's here who had to evacuate. Since I'm back from vacation I'm hoping to get to contribute more often.

-- Posted by Superbethie on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 8:50 PM

Who Me

I had heard stories from Canadian friends, saying that over a certain age, their medical coverage would not pay for some treatments or surgeries--i.e., no joint replacements for knees or hips damaged by arthritis or even heart surgeries--because they only had a few more years to live anyway. But I don't know if any of it is true or just maybe exagerations.

All I know is...when my family was very low-income, we still managed to have a savings account for such things as doctors' visits, and we didn't see doctors unless it was something serious. We made payments to doctors/hospital throughout my pregnancies, and when one son was hospitalized with a brain tumor, and subsequently died, we made payments for several years. As our income rose, we considered health insurance as much a necessity as house payments and utilities.

I don't consider myself hard-hearted, but so often we see low- to middle-income families who overspend, buying junk and "convenience" foods, electronics, eating at McDonald's, but won't save anything for emergencies. It's really hard for me to sympathize sometimes, although I do keep trying, honest!

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 8:55 PM

Bethie! Good to see you back! Keep that whip handy, in case some of these guys get too feisty!

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 8:57 PM


We finally learned of the co-president's UHC proposals after the courts released them. Do you think they have changed?

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 9:04 PM


I read the whole (sigh) Clinton UHC plan, but didn't save the site. I don't know about the penalty for a doctor taking a "private" payment, but it was mentioned on one of the debates and/or news articles. It did mention "our" payments would be a percentage of our income, and that businesses would also pay a percentage. Moot point anyway, since even if HRC gets elected, the possibility of her plan going through would be, I believe, pretty small.

Who Me might have been suggesting that with the UHC, we in America might end up the way many Canadian and UK areas have...with 6-9 month waits for surgical procedures, filled waiting rooms, etc., due to shortage of doctors. When a government puts a cap on medical fees for doctors and hospitals...What would eventually happen?

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 9:10 PM

And I do agree, Me'Lange, that costs have spiraled for health care. You or Bethie or someone need to advise me about how to get the itemized billing for pop's latest surgery...$99,999 seems way to steep for the defibrilator, surgery and overnight stay. Seems to me Medicare should have questioned that one! I thought it was a typo when I first read it!

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 9:16 PM

conservababe I second your motion to nominate this idiot for the darwin award. I to turned in to KFVS, first time in a while to see this hillbilly decide to try to see if his jacked up truck will go through the high water with his small child next to him. People like this should be arrested since they pose a danger to themselves and society for their stupid acts. Not to mention that CAPE RESCUE teams had to go all the way down there to save other stupid people cause they thought they could drive through water over their hoods. STUPID STUPID STUPID.

-- Posted by gman on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 9:22 PM


I think the yahoo should have been charged with child endangerment. I also think that those who refuse to heed the warnings and have to be rescued should be billed for services rendered.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 9:40 PM


Missed you. Hope you enjoyed the vacation!! How's Bebe?


I think you can contact the Business office of the hospital of surgery and request an itemized printout. I believe they are required to give one if you ask for one. Oh, and unfortunately the amount you mentioned isn't all that uncommon. Actually would have expected more for heart surgery from what I have seen come across my desk. I know from working in a previous department, I had to go to patient's rooms before surgery (sometimes the night before) and have them sign a form that said basically the surgeon is charging X amount, but Medicare is only going to pay Y. The patient or their secondary insurance was resposible for the remainder. And that was only for the surgeon, not all the other stuff they would be billed for.

Wow, sorry didn't mean to ramble on that one.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 9:41 PM

Health care costs are too high.

Health insurance is too high.

Malpractice insurance is too high.

The cost of medical school is too high.

Why does an MRI cost so much? Does not seem to be that special to me. Is it the cost of technology or simply supply and demand?

-- Posted by SWBG on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 9:45 PM

Slight leak in the basement but nothing a towel could not wipe up. Hope it is not any more than that by morning.

I have a big shop/vac but loaned it out. Heard that Lowes had sold out of shop/vacs and sup pumps today.

Now if Lowes operated like health care those shop/vacs would have gone for about $2,000 today.

-- Posted by SWBG on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 9:49 PM


Lowes doesn't have the government paying only $50 for a $100 shop vac. If they did then they would have to charge $150 to break even.

Same thing with hospitals. They have to charge more to recoup what medicare does not pay, from private pay insurance.

We in the medical field learned that years ago.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 10:01 PM


Just something I researched about one of your questions. A MRI of the Abdomen in 2004 was $1765.20, and $3727.41 in 2008. Can't tell you if the proceedure has inproved or if the MRI scanner is better now then it was four years ago.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 10:02 PM

Fredericktown Lowes has shop vacs, but will not send them to Cape. All local stores have sold out.

-- Posted by Wildnsyko on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 10:10 PM


You funkled!

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 10:20 PM


Actually there have been some improvements to the equipment, so I kind of spoke a bit to quickly on whether or not it was better.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 10:22 PM

Why don't you privitize health care? It seemed to work well before government involvement.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 10:41 PM


Did Medicare send you a claim summary? If not, do you have a supplemental policy? If so when the claim is finished by them the explanation of benefits should show all the details. If you need more help, just shoot me a message on messenger. I'd be happy to help ya see what they charged for. You can get a statement from the doctor's office---but it won't typically indicate how much your medicare/private insurance actually allowed and paid. Often, providers have contracted amounts--so they received less than they bill for.


I've missed you guys too! Bebe is doing wonderful....he is loving shoving his hands and feet into my ribcage. O.O

He seems to be getting bigger and I'm going to get a 4D ultrasound on March 27. We decided we wanted to do that for our anniversary. So I'm excited to maybe get a peep at him.

-- Posted by Superbethie on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 10:45 PM

Who Me?,

I see people go to the ER for things they should have gone to their family Doctor for. They are told to go to the ER if they can't wait to see the Dr. And not just Medicare and Medicade patients. And I have seen "healthy" people use the ER to get an extra day off work. Don't completely understand why someone would do that, but they do.

Personally, I have paid my insurance for the last 15 or 20 years, and up until the last year or two, never met my deductable. So I don't feel that I take advantage of the system, and can see advantages to UHC. Though, you and Gurusmom do bring valid points to the discussion that I need to also concider.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 10:52 PM

I wonder when Gov Blunt is going to ask the feds to declare us a disaster area.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 10:53 PM


Can I get my copy of Bebe in wallet size?? lol Glad to here he's an active little 'alien'. hehe j/k

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 10:57 PM


Again, sorry, but I need to correct. The paper being signed was the cost of the proceedure the Surgeon was performing, not the cost for the Surgeon. Man, I'm messing up between my thought process and my typing fingers. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 11:04 PM

Ok, this is going to be cruel, but does anyone else find the voice of CJ Cassidy (sp) KFVS12 reporter annoying?? I swear is sounds like nails on a chalkboard. Ok, cruelty over. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 11:09 PM


Actually I can't give you an answer on that one. I know the hospital excepts both Medicare and Medicade payments. I'm not sure how they did this. I just know the form said for "X" procedure the cost will be "Y", but Medicare will only pay "Z" amount. And if memory serves there was only one procedure in which we were asked to get a form signed for.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 11:17 PM

Who Me?

In relation to prostitution----if you enjoy your occupation...More power to you, in my humble opinion.


I'd gladly give ya copy of bebe. =)

LOL..It's definitely feeling more obtrusive.

And Pups---I don't like to listen to her on the news either...she reminds me of Barbara Walters.

-- Posted by Superbethie on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 11:22 PM

Well, gotta head out for the night. Hope everyone keeps dry.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 11:22 PM


I was wondering what it was about her that bothered me. It's the BW sound alike thing, but not the real way, but the way all the comedians 'talk' like her. I knew I liked you. hehe

Be safe, from the sounds of her report things could get even wetter your direction.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 11:26 PM

I will do my best. We shouldn't have any issue unless the levee up near Ware actually does break. Then I'm seeing they will want those of us here in East Cape and McClure to evacuate. I'd be a bit more nervous but my dad and some other family are volunteer firefighters just south of here and will here it come across their radio and call and wake me up.

You be safe as well! Try to stay awake in the ol' hospital!! ;)

-- Posted by Superbethie on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 11:30 PM

I take it that privitizing healthcare is off the table.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 11:31 PM

Lord love a duck...11.56 record setting inches for Cape. I feel like I'm in south Louisiana again. Since the terrain is so flat there is no flash flooding, however. But every building has a moat in front called a drainage ditch. They don't drain anywhere but do save the building from flood waters.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 11:37 PM

Old Codger,

Sorry, missed your statement about that. Will have to get back to you on that one.


As long as I have my SO I'm usually good to go at work. LOL (sorry Nuit)

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 11:41 PM

Old Codger

Why should privitazation be off the table? It worked just fine before employer provided group insurance and Medicare that followed.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Mar 18, 2008, at 11:48 PM

Me'Lange: Doctors are licensed by government. Hospitals are licensed by the government. Medical schools are licensed by government. By law medical schools can only train a certain number of pratitioners. The FDA controls which drugs reach the market. By law government prevents well qualified doctors from practicing medicine. The government artificially pushes up the cost of medical care through these controls. But tell me, do you actually believe that this is privitization of medical services?

-- Posted by BCStoned on Wed, Mar 19, 2008, at 12:01 AM

Why not have all these services provided by someone outside politics? Remember the AMA and other medical certifiers were doing the job before government got involved. The UL seems to do a qualified job of rating appliances. Why not take medicine out of the hands of politicians and put into the hands of qualified certifiers? The reason that the government got involved was to expand the role of government and not because their involvement was needed to improve medicine.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Wed, Mar 19, 2008, at 12:17 AM


I just got confirmation that Clear Creek levee on the IL side has broken...

I am not yet seeing this on any newschannel.

Can anyone else confirm which side it broke on---refuge side or Ware side?

-- Posted by Superbethie on Wed, Mar 19, 2008, at 12:39 AM


FDR started this boondoggle of employer provided insurance because he couldn't ram through UHC in the 1930's. Instead he gave tax incentives to employers that provided it to employees. There is absolutely no reason for your employer to be responsible for your health insurance except for the meddling of government.

-- Posted by conservababe on Wed, Mar 19, 2008, at 12:45 AM

What totally stunned me about pop's $99,999 hospital bill, was that Medicare approved $98,000 of it! That is NOT normal for Medicare.

Thanks for the advice on getting itemized bill.

Thank you, Who Me, that was very nice of you. He was 18 months old at the time--he died on the very same day that our next son was born.

It appears that you are correct, from what I see at Convenient Care and especially at Crosstrails Medical Center. Friends whose grown children and grandchildren (with insurance or Medicaid) go to doctors for every little sniffle, ache or pain, and see nothing wrong with doing so. We appear to have become a nation of "illness," as long as it is free or almost-free. My God, ailments are the major topic of most conversations in at least the Marble Hill area. How totally boring...sigh...

If one would speak frankly and openly to pharmacists, doctors, hospital personnel (and I have, often...friends & family members), the large number of "abuses" of the health system might be quite obvious. You gotta get out more, Me'Lange! J/K

Thanks, Bethie! I'll try to get the stuff from St. Francis...and yes, we have the supplements. All we receive is the statement from Medicare saying so-and-so charged you X-number of $$, Medicare approved x-$$, Medicare paid X-$$. A couple of weeks ago, we asked the provider of pop's nebulizer meds & oxygen what a certain odd charge was, because I didn't recognize the added charge. Ouch, I remember those feet under the rib cage times!

I'm so proud of you, Pups! Stay healthy, but keep paying those insurance premiums!

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Mar 19, 2008, at 12:47 AM

Who Me

How heartwarming...that you hug your mother every chance you get! Made me smile...but hope it isn't just because she taught you to be responsible. But try to remember: sometimes people using food stamps are doing the shopping for a handicapped friend or relative. I used to hate having to do that for my sister; it embarrassed me no end.

I miss being able to post on the early-morning Speak Out, but never see it on after midnight anymore. Figure most of you are already gone by the time I get so wound up...Maybe that's just as well? LOL


The patient on Medicare does have to pay for the amount that Medicare does not "approve." Medicare does not always (or even usually) pay the entire amount "approved," and that's sometimes a pretty large chunk of money. That's why the supplement is so important to have. Like pop's latest hospital bill...we would have had to pay over $1,000 balance.

Yes, Pups, KFVS does have seem to have a way of finding people with irritating voices, or who cannot be understood (I try to lip-read that female commentator--finally just quit trying to figure out what she was saying). Amazes me that a business would hire someone in a "speaking role" who is hard to listen to for one reason or another. And the form that had to be signed? Probably a patient who had no supplementary insurance.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Mar 19, 2008, at 1:12 AM

Wow, babe!

So glad I'm not the only one who knows that we've "discussed" health care for our country since the 1930's!

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Mar 19, 2008, at 1:16 AM

Melange and Conservababe: I did read the April 8 proposal, and although I agree (in part) with you that the changes wouldn't prevent ALL the damages caused by today's rain, they would at least improve things quite a bit. Besides, there are other things in the proposal that I like: the improvement of parks, pools, trails and fields alone would be enough for me to give them my vote (I use them all); the new community center is a plus. Like many here, I don't like to pay more taxes. But I consider this case unique: it's a small investment with a big return. Kinda like making sure your house and yard are looking good for the summer--you just feel good for having invested some money to improve your quality of life.

-- Posted by unilib on Wed, Mar 19, 2008, at 2:51 AM

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