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Speak out 3/17/08

Monday, March 17, 2008

Locally produced

A COMMENT recently blamed the rising costs of food and other necessities on the increase in minimum wage. While that may be a factor, maybe even a major factor, it's not the only one. For various reasons, most of them downright foolish, most of our food travels thousands of miles to reach us, despite the fact that many of those traveling products are grown or raised right here in our area. The price of transportation is exorbitant, causing the sales price to be high. If you're really interested in reading an easily understandable discussion of this topic, read "Animal, Vegetable, Miracle" by Barbara Kingsolver. It's a bit preachy in places, but overall it's an intelligent discussion of this issue. In short, it is the consumer's behavior that has brought this mess upon us. We no longer, as a society, buy locally produced products from locally owned businesses. In our short-term desire for more, more, more at what seemed like a lower price, we are paying the long-term price. Read the book for yourself. The author is not alone. Most others who study this issue agree with her.

Driving age

THEY FINALLY got it right. Raising the age for a driving permit to 17 and license to 18. Not only will this reduce gas consumption, but also the number of teenage fatalities. I challenge anyone to observe the students at Central High School at the end of the day. My child will not be driving until 18, just as I did. You are not an adult until 18 and should not be given an adult responsibility until then.

Gas prices

ALONG WITH everything else in the country, gasoline prices are rising. Our country has numerous ways of lowering gas prices, but officials refuse to do it. We could drill in Alaska, but some people can't trust that God will plant new trees and environmentally friendly stuff, so we can't drill in our own country. We also have a gas stockpile. I'm not saying we have to use all of it, just a tiny bit — enough to get prices down a few pennies. Come on, government. Don't sit around and let gas prices burn a hole in people's wallets.

Using the gym

I PAY my gym fees so I can use all the resources that are available to me. That means the track, pool, treadmills and weights. There is a sign that lets people know what lane to use depending on if they are running or walking. I am healthy because I go to the gym.

History in action

IN RESPONSE to the "History or myth" comment: Could I also assume that George Washington was in the right place at the right time and nothing he said or did affected the outcome of the Revolutionary War? Or that Abraham Lincoln was in the right place at the right time? Or that JFK had no effect on civil rights? I believe it was Ronald Reagan who stated, "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall."

Tax lesson

SITTING HERE eating my breakfast I was complaining to my wife about how state and federal governments were wasting my tax money when a revelation flashed through my mind of just how much of my tax money they had wasted. This year my wife and I filed jointly and only paid $46 federal income tax and nothing for state income tax. After this revelation I had to chuckle and tell my wife I wondered how many other people were griping just as I was and had never thought about just how much tax they actually paid. We will probably get $300 each from the federal government as a stimulus for the economy. Lesson learned: Think before you complain.

Right to vote

I HAVE to disagree with the article "Confusion leads to some complaints in the Feb. 5 vote." My voter registration card states that I am in the 158th District, and I was not given a ballot with the candidates for that district. I contacted the county clerk's office and was told "sorry." I feel sorry does not get it. I was not allowed my constitutional right to vote. I'm afraid of what will happen in November.

Limbs in streets

WHY DO people take limbs out of their yard and put them in the middle of the road? Do they not know that that's disruptive to traffic? I've been down some roads that you have to physically stop to let another car come by to go around the limbs. I think those people should be fined for putting limbs in the roads.

Horse headache

THE STORY about horse-size headaches was good. It told it like it is. Farmers are finally getting what their hay and grain are worth. For years horse owners have tried to get hay and grain as cheap as possible, and they got it. Payback is here in more ways than one. The Humane Society worked to ban horse slaughter for admirable reasons, but now we have 20- and 30-year-old horses that can't walk and have a low quality of life. You can't sell them to anybody. Does the Humane Society think we need to feed them until they die? That's not a humane option.

Blame activists

I JUST read the article about the unwanted horses. I blame animal activists and the Humane Society. A couple of years ago you could take a crippled horse to the auction to sell it. Killers would buy it and humanely destroy it and use it for human consumption in Canada. You could use the hide. Now you have to bury the horse or do something that would cost you money. Crippled horses should be destroyed.

Voting privilege

VOTING IS not a right. It is a privilege and should be viewed as an informed responsibility. Candidates should be selected by what they stand for, not by their gender or color.

Jackson mess

I'M CALLING about the mess in Jackson. Please get the cleanup done. We are getting ready to mow our yards. This is a disgrace to Jackson to leave the city in this kind of condition.


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Sorry folks, but this is a carryover from last night. Love you, Babe, but sometimes we're just wrong. (And 60 year old memories from our loved ones are a little fuzzy.) Read on:

http://www.redcross.org/myths/

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 7:22 AM

Hey Y, I love your avatar!!

-- Posted by Wildnsyko on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 8:26 AM

Flag Etiquette

The flag flying above the East Cape Community Center desperately needs to be replaced. It tore at the ole heartstrings to see it in that state.

-- Posted by Rainy on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 8:57 AM

I'd like to know where you got the information that horse meat was sold to Canada for HUMAN consumption? I am Canadian and have never seen horse meat on our supermarket shelves. I do believe that horse was bought to make glue and dog foods at some point, if not still.

I lived in Cape for 7 years and have been back in Canada for 4. I read speak out comments almost daily. This one shocked me.

-- Posted by Sashy29 on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 10:23 AM

Appologies as the following are for things I missed yesterday.

Babe,

I'm not sure if I live on the dark side of the moon, but Bush panders just like all politicians. The phrase "compassionate conservative" comes to mind. He used (pandered) this phrase to get moderate conservatives and right leaning liberals to vote for him. (Almost worked on me, if I have to be honest, almost.lol) And, lets not forget the stimulas packages. Purely a political move to gain favor with those that believe he has any impact on the economy. "See, I care, so here is 300 dollars." Don't get me wrong, I have every intention of cashing my check, but I'm realist enough to know that it is a pandering move by a politician. Doesn't matter what party it would have come from, it is still pandering. For someone that claims to be 'eyes open', the blinders appear to be on when it comes to Bush and his pandering. And again, not a bash to conservative views, just a realistic one on politics. Oh and if Laura or her Mother-n-Law ever decided to run for president, they would have my vote. (See, I'm not totally anti Bush. LMAO)

Herr,

Thanks, I think. Honored for the mention though. And as much as I may shake my head as I read on here what some say, I do try not to take it too seriously or personally. Though I do have my moments of total frustration when ideas and thoughts seem to hit the brick wall of someones lack of intellectual abilities. But a deep breath and the realization that not everyone is going to agree and I'm usually fine. Matter of fact, I have come to admire some folks that when I first started here I thought were total nutbags. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 11:03 AM

Driving Age

There is no right or wrong here. Raising the age will indeed cut down n the teen casualties but it will also prevent many teens from getting a job and saving for their education. They should be allowed to get a license however they should not be out running all of the place but for work purposes only.

Horses

As the owner of horses I try to keep any and all of our older horses as comfortable as we can however there is a point when they are sufferening more than they should if somehow the horse could be killed and benefit why not allow it rather than have them put down and buried out in the pasture.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 11:15 AM

Conservababe,

I just realized my last post from yesterday didn't make it to the board, so today's first post won't make sense. Never mind . . .

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 11:40 AM

Sashy29,

Out of curiosity, I Googled Horse Meat in Canada and according to several sites, it is popular in Quebec. In the US we have regionally popular foods that are considered unfit for consumption in other areas as well.

I have had to put down horses and bury them and would prefer to see some benefit derived from them if it could be done humanely.

-- Posted by D'oh on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 11:53 AM

Y:

First, I gotta agree with Wildnsyko. Your avatar efficiently says it all; howsumever, I often like to bloviate all over the place attempting to impersonate BRILLOpad/Fletch-up, or whoever he is on a given day!! Also, your cut/paste ARC myths link to C-babe was a classy touch too. Even so, I think she harbors a pumped-up, obsessive albeit petty vendetta against the ARC. Therefore, she probably won't bother to read it. But I like it, so thanks.

On a "techie" note, as I've stated before, I'm pretty much a neanderthal with computers (somewhat by choice until fairly recently), and seem to "wrench"-up (geeze, I wish the Webmonster would reinstate the "other tool" word!) when I try to cut/paste site links. And I'm sure it's not my computer, but rather the operator! Any pointers?

Wildnsyko:

Obviously, per my above comment, I agree with your note to Y. But yours is really a scream too! It's a spittin' mirror image of how I must look in the a.m.; just slap a Kaiser helmet on it, and I'd be set to kick Alpha and take names!!!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 12:11 PM

re: locally produced

I would love to buy locally produced products. Where are they to be found? Most folks who grow speciality foodstuffs, cans or bottles their recipes or crafts an item know that they can't make a profit selling only locally. The big money is in the national marketplace.

-- Posted by conservababe on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 12:20 PM

Herr,

Not sure what your link problem is. I just highlight, Ctrl>C to copy, then Ctrl>V to paste. Sometimes I just type the address in. I haven't had any problems.

The Impeach Brill avatar lived a good short life, and served it's purpose. Thanks for all the good comments. Now, it's back to the farm . . .

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 12:24 PM

re: right to vote

There is a real need for more poll watchers. I remember one election in which the workers placed the Republican and Democrat ballots in full view on the table. The Libertarian ones were kept under the table and you had to ask for one.

-- Posted by conservababe on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 12:28 PM

Tax Lesson

Sounds like you need to be audited.

Voting Privilege

Last time I checked, voting IS a right guarenteed by the constitution.

Jackson Mess

If your limbs are in your way, then ******* your butt and pick them up and haul them off.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 12:38 PM

Huh, getoff is censored?

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 12:40 PM

BOTH OF MY KIDS EARNED THEIR PERMIT AT FIFTEEN. THEY THEN WENT AND GOT THEIR LICENSE ON THEIR BIRTHDAYS. THEY BOTH GOT JOBS, BOTH PAID THEIR OWN INSURANCE, BOTH HAD EARLY ACCIDENTS, BOTH LEARNED FROM THEM. NOONE WAS HURT. I AM GLAD THEY GOT THIER LICENSE EARLY. BACK TO THE FIRST SENTENCE. THEY EARNED THEIR RIGHT TO DRIVE. THEY PRACTICED DILIGENTLY, THEY READ THE BOOK, THEY WERE RESPONSIBLE TO GET A JOB, THE JOBS THAT ONLY TEENAGERS WANT. RESTARAUNTS AND SERVICES THAT WE ALL DEPEND ON. IF WE WAIT UNTIL THEY ARE 18, WHO IS GOING TO SERVE YOU AT THOSE PLACES.? BY 18, THEY ARE OFF TO WELL, WHAT WE BELIEVE TO BE BETTER JOBS, AND IN COLLEGE.

-- Posted by ITSADOGSWORLDFULLAFUN on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 12:44 PM

Y

My mind is not fuzzy and neither was Eisenhower's. Scroll down in this article from Snopes.

http://www.snopes.com/medical/emergent/r...

-- Posted by conservababe on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 12:48 PM

DANG!! QUIT YELLING!!

And Y, did you get in trouble for the avatar?

-- Posted by Wildnsyko on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 12:49 PM

The whole voting process is antiquated, and still very vulnerable to fraud. It's amazing to me that we can't figure out a way to make voting accessible to all QUALIFIED voters in a secure manner. Wish I knew what the secret was . . .

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 12:50 PM

Nope, no trouble.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 1:01 PM

Voting privilege: Your right, I think I will not vote in the coming November election. If I voted for someone who later used his/her position to do harm to another person, then I would be an accomplice. But if I did vote for a candidate who used his/her position to do harm, I certainly wouldn't make excuses for their actions or mine.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 1:05 PM

FLSTC

Actually the federal Constitution does not gaurentee voting as a 'right'. It's up to the individual states to allow it in any manner they see fit.

-- Posted by conservababe on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 1:11 PM

Pups:

You're welcome, and you are allowed to think, albeit on a limited basis(!)...especially if it's "right" thinking!!! Oh, geeze, I just had to do that, didn't I? I almost missed your post 'cause I suspected the Oberleutnant Mule was scheming on stealing the last cup of brown a.m. hype juice and, well, just had to respond with appropriate corrective action! Gotta sustain my wall-pinging for awhile longer.

Anyway, I just thought I'd immerse you in the fuss n muss a bit to indicate that not all Libs (& there's a big spread between Libs & Libsocs, etc) fit the standard profile of terminal anger/doom & gloom/hate-everything mentality. Why, you and a couple others in this bog, seem to be "happy" Libs, and can be messed with in the interest of generating a little jocularity. And, myself? Why, despite preferences of the D.E.S. to the contrary, I'm actually a lovable, if not petable little HERRball...oh, man(!), there I go punnin' around again!!!

Oh, and speakin' of fun, quite awhile ago I requested that you personally mediate a seminar in the bog here, to explore what the heck liberalism is the first place...it's such a nebulous concept, donchaknow?! I've got some gems to contribute; howsumever, I don't want to cause anyone to loose their groceries getting torqued outta shape this early in the day! Are ya up to the assignment, Pubs? It'd be a hoot(er). Beware the HUN with a PUN lookin' for FUN! Burma Shave.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 1:15 PM

Several months ago I mentioned the fact that if the price of gold sky rockets that this would be a good indicator of an oncoming depression. Let's face the facts, the recession is here folks, but let me explain to you just how close we are to a depression.

As you know over the weekend Bear Stearns was bailed out in an emergency effort to prevent the failure of several banking institutions. Had these institutions fail, there would have been a run on the banks by people withdrawing their money out of panick. (This happened in the 1930s) As quoted by the fed reserve this weekend, such a drastic measure hasn't taken place since the 1930s. (Yoohoo! We were in a depression then!!)

Obviously if we are so close to a stock market crash, then we MUST be in a recession. Again the Feds have cut the rates and will possibly cut it again by another FULL point by Tuesday. These cuts are also the reason the American dollar has hit rock bottom lows in the European market.

Now, I know many of you will still nay-say what I am writing, but I suggest to you that the RECESSION is here and Depression is knocking on our doors. We have a President who is in complete denial, his incompetance has driven this country into the ground economically and destroyed our relations throughout the world. As history has shown, it is bound to repeat itself, and as history will show, it will take a DEMOCRAT to pull us out of the gutter and get this nation back on track again.

Cordially, your faithful pain in the neck and self proclaimed self-righteous Neo Maxi Zoomdweebie. Sig Hile! Over and out! 10-4 good buddy! Use the Force Luke, and Let the Sunshine in! LOL....Dork!

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 1:27 PM

***MESSAGE TO SASHY29***

Please set us straight on the UHC arguement! How does it work? How much does it cost? Is it better or worse than the current system of healthcare in the United States.

BTW, Me'lange, how is your research going? What have you found out?

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 1:34 PM

Herr,

Not exactly sure how to mediate a discussion on here, but will concider your proposal and try to get back to you. Oh and you may be petable (your word not mine), but lets just say for now, I'm keeping my hands and arms inside the ride at all times. A tame lion is still a lion with teeth and claws. LOL

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 1:41 PM

Gee, I thought the Democratically controlled congress said they were going to fix our of our problems. Wonder what happened.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 1:48 PM

Pups:

Ha!! Good come-back! But really, honest, no "chit" saila, don't worry about petting the beastlies in to bog pond, the bites only hurt while they're actually chewing! Oh, also don't fret & fester about hosting the seminar, as I trust you won't be waking up to find any of your puppies' heads on the bedposts (OK, OK, go ahead and do the movie thing, too)!!! It'll be fun, especially when the S.O. section has nothing worthwhile to comment on...which is SOP!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 1:58 PM

Ok, one more time for the intellectually challenged and/or one demensional thinkers. A majority is not control if your majority is not enough to over ride a Presidential Veto. Basic political science 101.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 2:09 PM

Pups: you will have your work cut out for you. Liberalism has changed a lot from the 18th and 19th centuries into to what is considered liberalism today. Check out Classical liberalism on Wikipedia.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 2:12 PM

MeLange

You are a yellow dawg democrat...

-- Posted by conservababe on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 2:19 PM

Jerry66,

You will not see a run on banks al 1930's. There are safety nets in place to insure such things do not happen.

Locally produced,

The current economic climate may induce more locally produced poducts. I wish there was a better farmer's market in this town. It seems to me that the area could support a significant farmer's market.

If anyone on here has been to the market in Soulard in St. Louis and seen the number of vendors and the variety it would seem an area the size of Cape and surroundings could support something more than it does.

-- Posted by SWBG on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 2:20 PM

Old Codger

JFK must have been the last of the classic liberals. But those days are long gone.

-- Posted by conservababe on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 2:21 PM

Wikpedia is not a realiable source of information.

-- Posted by SWBG on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 2:23 PM

Old_Codger,

That is why I'm not sure I am up for the challenge. My perspective on Liberalism may vary greatly from other's perspective.

Melange,

Ooops, guess I just crossed over to forum bully. Though I didn't specifically name any one person. Think it's time to check blood sugars again.

Out for a bit.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 2:25 PM

Me'Lange:

You seem to have a handle on the general concept, re, of the lesson plan for Pups' (I hope, if he's got the brass puppies!!) seminar! Gee, Pups might have to see to it that some EMT's are standing by though, just in case!!!

Also. Take a look at Old_Codger's comment...he's got a heck of a good point. And, most of all, the idea is just for fun...don't wanna get anyone's panties twisted into a sheepshank or somethin'!!!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 2:26 PM

Me'lange. Aww...I was really hoping you were going to do UHC. SWBG, I hope you are right, but when an entire nation starts withdrawing money from the financial institutions, it will be interesting to see if those "safety" measures work. Remember, those safetly measures are supposed to work in theory, they haven't been put to the test yet.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 2:30 PM

Aw, shucks, boys & girls. I hope I didn't open a fun can of worms that'll start right now, 'cause the Oberleutnant Mule just mandated that if she has to cast off to work, then I have to get out of the barn & do something useful, like lap-swimming...or maybe "walker-tipping"!! Anyway, just a fun project to munch on...just don't start without me!! Burma Shave, Herr(ball) out.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 2:34 PM

Herr

I know you're just trying to be funny, in your own way, but I wish you would cease your jokes about 'walker tipping'. I, and probably others who read your comments, have to rely on a walker to get around. I'm surprised you haven't racheted up to jokes of 'wheelchair dumping'.

-- Posted by conservababe on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 2:42 PM

Me'lange, I made a "comment" had these financial institutions closed, then there would have been a "run" on the banks like in the 1930s. (The run on the banks in the 1930s is common knowledge) If you read the articles more carefully about the Bear Stears situation that occured over the weekend, you will see why there was a rush on bailing out of Bear Stearns and the fears of the domino effect on the other financial institutions. Additionally, these rate cuts are to help cure the credit woes of the banks, suggesting they have lent out too much money. IF there were a run on the banks, that to me, would indicate a fear that the banks would NOT have enough money to cover themselves. While a lot of this is self speculation, the sure signs of future economic tragedies are pretty obvious. (In my opinion) Aka Gold Sky rocketing and the dollar at all time lows. (That alone suggests that the dollar is unstable and it's value may completely implode.) Investors are seeking safety in ALL of the precious metals. (That is why there has been such a surge in their prices.)

I am just reading the information that comes from the market news (neither republican or democratic) Just the plain simple facts.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 2:44 PM

For those ethically challenged, if you can't do it, don't say it; Common Sense 101.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 2:47 PM

Ohh one more thing. If 6 months of decline is a recession and 12 months is a depression, then how many months of decline have we had?

Also, as I have said before, the ONLY way to recover our economy is to get these gas prices down and create jobs. I know many of you have said that Canada has $5 gallon gas and Joe Blow has $6 ect, Well, that is all fine and dandy, but the American economy cannot afford this. IF it does not decline, we WILL have a depression.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 2:47 PM

Babe: I think that classical liberalism met its end at the start of the Great Depression. It was wrongly blamed for the depression. People didn't understand at the time, as they do now, that depressions are caused by problems in banking. I'm sure that there are a few dedicated modern liberals out there that still blame it on classical liberalism and that government can do no wrong.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 2:58 PM

Hah! I get a kick outa reading about you edumacated folks arguing with each other!

-- Posted by RocketSurgeon on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 3:03 PM

For those ethically challenged, if you can't do it, don't say it; Common Sense 101.

-- Posted by BTDT on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 1:47 pm CDT

Wow by your standard then no politician should be elected ever. I believe most if not all politicians make statements that they can't do in order to get elected. Again, it's called pandering to the majority. I expected Roe v Wade to be overturned in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2005 but it didn't happen. Guess the promise of a conservative agenda didn't come to pass as promised.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 3:08 PM

Here is an exerpt from the Preceding article link.

"Between January and April in the year 1930, the value of stocks rose 13 percent. Then at the end of April the price of stocks began to decline again. The economy was declining, and President Herbert Hoover opposed the view among bankers that the economy should be allowed to deflate. Hoover urged action. He approved a program in which the federal government had a few buildings built, and he urged state and local governments to accelerate their spending. From railroad and utility companies he acquired promises of investments. He called conferences of industrial and labor leaders and obtained from them pledges to maintain employment and production levels and to avoid strikes. But the economy continued to slide. Businesses felt compelled to respond to markets - including the labor market - and they cut production and wages. Some financiers saw reduced wages as a blessing that would improve discipline and character, while others called for more government spending.

People of wealth were pulling their money out of the economy. Unemployment was rising, and consumers had less money to spend, adding to the downward spiral. Bankruptcies were more numerous. Bank loans were not being re-paid. There was no federally guaranteed depositors insurance to inspire depositor confidence. In 1929 there had been 659 bank failures. That number in 1930 rose to 1,352. In November 1930 a run on banks started in Nashville, Tennessee, and swept through the South."

http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch15wd.html

Also, the MSNBC has just reaffirmed that the fed are cutting the rates by a FULL point. Has anyone else noticed anytime the market drops below 12,000 that the feds do a rate cut? Does anyone have any insight on this? Is it because once we drop so far there will be a surge "away" from the markets like in the 1930s?

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 3:11 PM

Y

Thank you for the Red Cross link. I knew much of that, except the reasoning for charging for donuts/coffee during WWII. Interesting.

You know, every time anyone suggests a more secure way of voting (like picture ID's), people start yelling "disenfranchising" or "discrimination" of/against certain groups. IMHO, the possibility of eliminating voting fraud is a scary idea to certain party leaders and politicians.

Incidentally, the Florida/Michigan mess is going to be interesting; whatever they come up with will probably be a prime example of fraud, don't you think? Considering the penalty imposed and agreed upon for their early primaries, one might wonder why the issue is even being discussed.

semoangel

Hmmm...I don't know any teenagers who are working and saving for their education, but guess there could be a few. Most are working to pay for their vehicles/insurance and gasoline, extra clothes, and Big Macs. ;-)

-- Posted by gurusmom on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 3:13 PM

IMO stagflation is a sugar-coated term for Recession denial. LOL

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 3:14 PM

Pupslover,

I don't know that would necessarily be a bad thing. I am personally tired of broken promises on all sides and name calling when someone disagrees with your point of view or political philosophy.

-- Posted by Red_Rhino on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 3:15 PM

Jerry66: You are probably correct in your assessment. That said, I don't have a clue on what is going to happen. I have no way of knowing the future and I'm skeptical of those who think that they do know the future.

Most of the Feds $200 billion was a swap of treasuries for bank held AAA rated bonds at face value. Being that the market price of the AAA rated bonds were far below face value, this allowed banks to cover loans and still meet their 32 to 1 fractional reserve requirements, I would think. The AAA bonds in other words were greatly overrated by Moodys and S&Ps. The largest 20 banks received this swap. This could be an early sign of a depression, like many on Wall Street claim, since depressions are problems in banking.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 3:20 PM

The funniest thing is Hoover was a Republican too. Looks like we'll be exchanging our "Hoover Flags" for Bush Flags. LOL

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 3:24 PM

Jerry66, Me'Lange: You both have impressed me. Now I can set back and eat my possum.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 3:29 PM

Pups, you hit the nail right on the head! Political candidates know exactly what to "promise" us in order to gain our votes!

As for Roe vs Wade: I never expected it to pass, and then never expected it to be overturned. I'm thinking...the president has little to do with overturning an amendment, except for trying to appoint Supreme Court Judges. Am I wrong?

-- Posted by gurusmom on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 3:30 PM

Codger. Correct! Banking is the cause of depressions! Exactly what we are seeing now. I'm no market wizard, (this is all purely my opinionated speculation) but it sure doesn't look good. I rather be pessimistically cautious than optimistically blind.

Me'lange IMO, I guess stagflation is Pre-Depression denial.

Also, maybe you don't see the doom and gloom, but as I mentioned previously, the fact is...history DOES repeat itself. It would be great if someone had "direct" knowledge of the 1929 market in order compare it to todays market

*NEWS ALERT* Bear Stearns now cutting 7500 jobs.

market up 68 points. (Thanks to the FULL point rate cut speculation)

Me'lange, I guess this is why Bush fails to say we are in a recession, he's using Clinton semantics to cover his butt.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 3:34 PM

Show me in the US Constitution where it says that you have a "Right" to vote in a Federal Election. Don't worry I'll wait....

The Constitution only says that a person cannot be descriminated do to Race or Sex for elections. It does not give the right to vote. This is a misconception thrown upon us by politicians and the horrible teachers in our GOVERNMENT RUN (PUBLIC) SCHOOLS.

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 3:35 PM

LOL...Will we see the resurrection of the Penny Stocks? LOL

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 3:37 PM

Me'Lange: My assumption is that inflation in the 1970's started when France demanded gold for its dollars held in reserve which forced the US out of the Breton Woods agreement. The US couldn't or wouldn't cover France's demands. The US was still paying off an enormous debt caused by the Vietnam War, which was ongoing at the time. Nixon put on wage and price controls, which caused shortages on such items as sugar and oil. Remember the long gas lines? Without the Breton Woods agreement government was allowed to inflate the money supply through paper and debt which resulted in higher prices after the controls were lifted. Paul Volcher was appointed chairman of the Fed in 1977 but didn't raise overnight rates until the election of Reagan to stop the inflation cycle. Inflation was running faster that wage increases. I had a business in the 70's that barely survived.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 3:47 PM

Me'Lange: I'm not being mean, I'm truly impressed by both of you. You have this old hillbilly's admiration.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 3:52 PM

Codger, speaking of blasts from the pasts. Remember when Gold and Silver prices hit rock bottom in the 1980s? Well, I was dealing in silver and gold then and lost a ton of $. Yes...I am gritting my teeth right now! LOL

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 4:00 PM

Me'lange, also about your NOT seeing doom and gloom ahead comment. How long do you think the nation and economy can deal with $4.00 a gallon gas. As you know, this will cause consumer product price to rise yet again.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 4:05 PM

Me'lange, that is what I was complaining about last week (the same word) it's starting to get ridiculous.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 4:08 PM

Horse headache

"The Humane Society worked to ban horse slaughter for admirable reasons, but now we have 20- and 30-year-old horses that can't walk and have a low quality of life. You can't sell them to anybody. Does the Humane Society think we need to feed them until they die? That's not a humane option."

Says who? You? You are a greed driven, "money is my god" pathetic scum bag. Nothing has value to you, unless you can wring every last penny from it, even to the extent of killing the horse for money. You lack a soul, and while I am encouraged to pray for your soul, I will not do so. You deserve the fate that you and others like you, who have supplanted all esle for the dollar sign. You rape our country of it's jobs, and now you want to kill horses so that it might profit you. To hell with the 20-30 years of enjoyment, service, money and labor that you took from that horse, now, the horse owes you even more, it's life. You anger me. I will not say more, but the time of reckoning for people like you, whether you be a globalist, or, a horse killer is coming. Americans are getting very weary, very tired, and quite angry over the rampant greed in this country. Persons without souls will not fare well, I am afraid. Not at my hand, but of those who are far more angry than I am.

Blame activists

"A couple of years ago you could take a crippled horse to the auction to sell it. Killers would buy it and humanely destroy it and use it for human consumption in Canada. You could use the hide. Now you have to bury the horse or do something that would cost you money. Crippled horses should be destroyed."

Ah, another peach of a less than human being. Humanely destroyed you say? I suppose those recent videos of downed cattle being "humanely" treated, or, the video of the slaughter of an American horse in Mexico by repeatedly stabbing it's back bone with a long, sharp knife, fit your dumba*s description of "humane?"

Pathetic scum. You are the worthless ones. A horse is a noble animal. Unfortuantely, the Republicans love to kill things that are wild and free. Things and people whom they do not control. Republcians have voted repeatedly to slaughter the few thousands of wild horses that we have left in the west. The Republicans are in the pockets of the meat packers, and western cattlemen who graze their cattle on our public lands at a pittance of what grazing would cost them from another rancher. These scum do not want the 40 to 60,000 wild horses who roam those lands to have a stalk of grass. Like you they want something for nothing. They want it all. Their mommas never taught them to share.

So, it was no surprise a few years ago, when some scumbag feds, BLM agents got caught by the AP in a scheme to round up our wild horses and sell them for slaughter. This was when American taxpayers were paying a paultry million dollars a year for their PROTECTION.

Bill Clinton, worthless as he is, didn't do a thing. I do know of one person who reported to a federal agency that they would provide their own transportation, and essential equipment to go west and hunt those BLM agents down and bring them to justice. Do you know, that there is no such authorized program that would sanction him to do so? How odd. Does that mean we are at the mercy of those federal agents who act outside the law, who committ crimes, and trample the Constitution? I cannot believe that there is not a law on state, or, federal books that would allow citizen volunteers, at no expense to the government, to bring errant federal agents to justice and redeem them for cash, or, prizes, like a new trail bike, a shinny new sleigh, or, a gift card to Applebees.

Perhaps someone can recommend such a bill be submitted to Congress to Senator McCaskill when she visits us on Tuesday.

Republicans hate anything that is wild and free, particularly, people and horses.

After serving your a*s for 20-30 years, a few years of eating hay, wallowing in the pond, and roaming the pasture freely, seems like a fair trade for all that you received.

Let the horse decide what is humane. I doubt very much that it would ask to be slaughtered. The trouble with some humans, this world is all about them. It really isn't.

-- Posted by Brill on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 4:25 PM

Apparently, W-H-I-Z is as bad of a word as W-A-S-T-E-D

-- Posted by Brill on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 4:27 PM

Jerry66: I didn't trade in gold, but the price went from $35 an ounce when it became legal to own to more than $800 an ounce and dropped like a bullet to $250 an ounce in the 80's. At its peak an ounce of gold equaled the Dow. Correct me if I'm wrong.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 4:37 PM

BTDT,

Fair enough. Freely admit to suffering from foot in mouth disease on occassion. My knee jerk reaction is what always gets me into trouble on here. I Must learn to think before posting.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 4:39 PM

Gurusmom,

I wasn't meaning the President can change Roe v. Wade. Well other then by appointing Supreme Court Justices that agree that it should be. I was saying Congress could have repealed it or at least attempted to during those years. And, not saying the Supreme Court would have upheld the new law. My memory isn't what it once was, but I know the President can not create laws, only Congress can do that. Which kind of brings me to the point I made the other day. A Senator in some ways has more power then the President, but scrutiny is placed more on someone's Presidential bid then their Senatorial bid. Mind you, Muttie, your adoptive son has been wrong before. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 4:51 PM

Happy St. Patricks Day!

Contrary to current prose, St. Patrick never said, "KISS ME, I'M IRISH."

St. Patrick brought Christianity in the form of the Catholic faith to Ireland. The conversion of Ireland is the only bloodless spiritual revolution in history, as well as the most successful.

"St. Patrick, accompanied by a few disciples landed at a small Meath harbour in 432, he was summoned to the presence of the High King of Ireland, Laoire, who was then at Teamhair (Tara) for the celebration of the pagan summer festival. Fearing obstruction and perhaps attack on the way from the hill of Slane, near which he had landed, to Tara, tradition tells us that the saint composed and recited aloud the beautiful prayer Lureach Phadraig, The Breastplate of Saint Patrick.

Saint Patrick's Breastplate

Christ be with me

Christ be before me

Christ be behind me

Christ be within me

Christ be beneath me

Christ be above me

Christ be at my right

Christ be at my left

Christ be in the fort

Christ be in the chariot seat

Christ be in the ship

Christ be in the heart of everyone who thinks of me

Christ be in the mouth of everyone who speaks of me

Christ be in every eye that sees me

Christ be in every ear that hears me

The King of Ireland was kind and generous, even though he did not himself embrace the True Faith. Having questioned Patrick and listened with attention and respect to his explanation of the mission on which he had been sent by the Vicar of Christ, Laoire gave him permission to travel and teach and preach throughout the land."

-- Posted by Brill on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 4:57 PM

For those of you that wanted oil and gas prices to fall, you are getting your wish. Latest market prices that I have is oil -$4.53 to 105.68 and unleaded gas -$0.19 to $2.50. Traders seem to think that there are hard times ahead, but one day's trade doesn't mean a lot. Keep an eye on your pumps.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 5:08 PM

The Fed makes a move that looks like abandoment of the US Dollar, says expert.

Remeber the Carlyle Group?

That is the business partnership that Pappa George H.W. Bush, The Bin Ladens, (Osama's family) and a bunch of globalist pigs, plus, Saudi's, and Dubians are all connected to in one giant globalist pillaging corporation. Well, not only did Bear Sternes go bankrupt over the weekend, but Pappa Bush's Carlyle Group subsidary, Carlyle Capital Corporation. It seems to me, instead of all the Bushes, especially, Lil Bush, mouth kissing Arab and non-Arab alike, and experiencing new heights in man love, that they should have been spending more time on the business. Carlyle Capital Corp. might have been saved. Too much kissing and hand holding is not good for you.

Here is a little taste of a story about the failure of both Carlyle Capital and Bear Sternes over the weekend.

...."If it lowers the federal fund rate, the dollar will suffer on world currency exchange markets. A dollar sell-off risks triggering a new stock market sell-off.

Yet, if the Fed holds or raises rates to support the dollar, it will almost certainly prompt a massive stock market sell-off.

A Fed policy of providing liquidity to banks is tantamount to a decision to abandon the dollar. The dollar was trading today at $1.57 to the euro, a new all-time low, following a close Friday of 71.67 on the U.S. Dollar Index, the lowest maker ever.

Futures markets are now predicting the Federal Open Markets Committee in its meeting tomorrow will lower the federal funds rate a full 1 percent, with the expectation of a cut as much as 1.25 percent before the end of the month."

EXCELLENT story about it is here.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?f...

Globalism, it isn't good for America, nor, Americans. Eradicate Globalism for a healthier, happier America.

-- Posted by Brill on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 5:25 PM

Jerry66: I'm not covering my butt for anybody.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 5:40 PM

@nd Amendment, Have you got the right, or, not?

C-SPAN will televise US Supreme Court arguments on Tuesday at 10:30am. I do not know how long it will last, and I have forgotten whether it is CSPAN chn 28, or, CSPAN chn 29 in Cape and Jackson. It is one, or, the other.

This is the same Supreme Cour, 7 Republicans, and two Democrats who, a couple years ago, said that you don't own your home. That government can do any **** thing it pleases with your property. The Constitution says, only for public use. However, the two Demcocrats and Three Republicans said that they think that government can jump in bed with a developer or cortractor and take your property for anything that they **** well please. For those of us who can read, we know that is not what the Constitution says. It is very clear.

If governments actually think that they can do that, I see more, and more events like those that took place in Kirkwood during their City Council meeting. People are angry, they are fed up with government, the failure of our economy, the failure of our dollar, and lost jobs, homes and businesses.

I really, really do believe that we are standing very close to the edge of revolution in this country. If McCain, or, Hillary are elected, it will be more of the same, or, as we used to say...SOS. Same Ole S***.

SOS isn't going to fly with the American people much longer. You will see real depravation in this land, as we move from the current recession, into a depression greater than that which started in 1929. We are a different people that we were then. There will be large scale fighing all across America.

While some say that revolution is good for America, or, quote "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - a very famous saying of one of my most favorite presidents, Thomas Jefferson, I am concerned about what might take it's place. I do not want to see "warlords" spring up in America. However, I do not want to continue down the path where America is controlled by lobbyists, war profiteers, corporations, and agents of a foreigin rogue nation, Israel.

If I could be assured that America would have a bloodless, or, near bloodless revolution, and pass into a period of enlightenment, where America provided good paying jobs for it's people, by reclaiming our manufacturing base, Americans were educated, not deliberately dumbed down by it's government, and that freedom, pure liberty, with a loose hands government at the helm, then, I could support revolution.

But, as with most things, there are no gaurantees. I know we cannot continue on the destructive path that we were set upon by George HW Bush, Bill Clinton, and Lil Bush, but I am very concerned about what will evolve if good men do not prevail, should a revolution occur.

CI know that we can't continue on a path that has destroyed our jobs, our prestisge and respect among the world, devastated our economy, destroyed our dollar, depleted and weakened our military, made our children the laughing stock of the educated world, and has introduced torture and fascism into our daily lives, and made it acceptable to many so-called "christians."

This is America's greatest trial. I hope that we have the fortitude to secure our nation's good future, with prosperity and liberty for all, and not for a selected, elitist, myopic few.

-- Posted by Brill on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 6:01 PM

Hey I haven't been on in a while, so what is MJB's new screen name?

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 6:12 PM

Hey DarthJason,

Welcome back. Hope the little Darth is doing well. I think you will be able to answer your own question really quickly. lol

WhoMe,

Ok, I can honestly say that I finally agree with you 100 percent. If you are capable of cleaning your own yard then do so. I don't think if I had downed trees in my yard I would be waiting for the City to clean it up.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 6:34 PM

Read through the posts....you'll soon figure it out. Also, the name that is used was also a character in the movie "Enemy of the State".

-- Posted by Wildnsyko on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 6:36 PM

During tonight's CBS 5:30pm newscast, CBS's Early Show Financial Expert says that he is worried about the economy.

He said that if you have extra money, instead of spending it, now was the time to save it.

By the way, the arguments on the Washington D.C. 2nd Amendment case befpre the US Supreme Court, will be televised on CSPAN cable channel 28, on Tuesday beginning at 10:30am. Set your VCRs.

Oh, by the way. Your beloved bush has filed a brief siding with Washington, DC, saying that they have the right to ban handguns.

So much for the illusion that bush was a pro-gun rights president. Get wise.

-- Posted by Brill on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 6:42 PM

"Enemy of the State" is an epic movie. More than a mere movie, it is a docu-drama.

Gene Hackman, a champion of liberty and freedom, posed aganist a fascist, all powerful, freedom destroying, murderous state.

See the similarities between the docu-drama, ENEMY OF THE STATE, with this bush regime which has ursurped the power of the people and has taken our power and claimed it exclusively for themselves.

When a government has adopted torture, and never ending war for profit as the mainstay of it's operation, then, to be an "Enemy of the State", is a Godly, and moral mantle.

-- Posted by Brill on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 6:54 PM

Well then. Any interesting blood-letting been going on while I've been away this afternoon trying to cause trouble? Doen't look like it. Gee, I couldn't even scare a little girl on the way out when she knocked and asked to pet the bunnies. I told her I just ate 'em...she didn't by it. I guess the kids in the hood are too clued in to my stuff. Heck, I need some new material.

Me'Lang:

Looks like you mentioned something about folks having trouble getting refuse to the curb. Well, I think I can relate to that...sorta. I recently tried to drag my Mule to the curb. And after some some bitin', snortin', & kickin', I finally got her there; howsumever, the trash guys refused to take her!! Go figure. Burma Shave & Herr out, for awhile.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 6:54 PM

However...

Bril is my last name. Our family has had it for quite some time.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02787b.h...

-- Posted by Brill on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 6:58 PM

"The SECRET HISTORY OF THE CREDIT CARD"

PBS cable channel 08 in Cape and Jackson

Tuesday Night

08:00pm-09:00pm

-- Posted by Brill on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 7:43 PM

No, no, pups! You are absolutely right about Presidential lack of power versus Congress power. But I didn't realize (or forgot?) that Congress, while making a law that actually became an amendment, could also delete it? It's been a long, long time since Civics classes (what do they call them now...American Government, maybe?).

I do know that a few years ago, Congress voted out the old law dictating that members' pay would be "docked" for absences, because, heck, it wasn't being enforced anyway. LOL

-- Posted by gurusmom on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 7:50 PM

**rolls eyes at the last name comment** Moves on to next topic...

-- Posted by Wildnsyko on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 7:51 PM

Went to records.gov and looked for "@nd amendment", gee wasn't there. Wonder if "@nd amendment" might show up in the "Communist Parliment Constitution".

What do you know, it was, and the author of their constitution was??????

BRILL, figures. Lee Harvey Brillken

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 8:30 PM

Babe,

You mentioned 'yellow dawg Democrat", I would like think of myself as a "blue dawg Democrat". Mainly because blue looks better on me then yellow. haha ( I know you were talking to Melange.)

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 9:17 PM

Pups: You could always refer yourself as an "Amarillo" dawg democrat, those who don't understand spanish wouldn't know the differance.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 9:22 PM

WhoMe: dont forget the glue factory, you could get a few buks there too. Right??

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 9:24 PM

We have had two presidents that disagreed with the 2nd Amendment in a row, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush. Clinton, with a Democrat Congress pushed through an assualt weapons ban which George Bush tried to renew in his first term but failed. We have 3 front running candidates who are considered anti-2nd Amendment. Republicans as well as Democrats accepted this position on gun rights. As far as Wade vs. Roe goes we have had 7 Republican appointed Supreme Court Justices for years who refused to overturn Roe vs. Wade. During Bush's first term, the Republican Congress had the power to send Bush a bill that would have outlawed abortions but didn't. Republicans have taken gun rights and abortion off the table. All the rhetoric protesting abortions and for the protection of gun rights meant nothing, it is the party that matters. If you do not need an amendment to outlaw drugs, you do not need an amendment to outlaw abortions. Although in both cases without an amendment they would be un-Constitutional.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 9:26 PM

Aggie,

Ok, not sure I understand either. But that's been my state of mind today anyway. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 9:37 PM

Horses--

Did I miss something? The human society "destroys"---what a pretty p.c. way to say "kills"--cats, dogs and other unwanted, unadopted animals routinely. I wasn't aware they were treating horses differently.

-- Posted by Superbethie on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 10:27 PM

Pups: yellow dawg democrat? yellow = Amarillo, in spanish.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 10:40 PM

Me'Lange, Jerry66: The economic situation could be in for a free-fall. It is worse than I imagined. First, Bear Stearns last year was trading for $150 a share, yesterday it was down to $2 a share. A Chinese investment firm, CITI almost bailed out Bear Stearns but decided against it.

The US financing gap, the difference of revenues in and revenues out is running 2 to 3 trillion dollars short a year. Since GW Bush took office that debt has grown to $20 trillion, or more than a third of the US's net worth. Foreigners are starting to sell the US. They are selling its money, its stock, and its debt. Some foreign governments are doing everything they can to protect themselves from the US fall-out.

But as I said before, the US is the most powerful economy in the world, its fallout will be felt worldwide. No one in the US would listen to "you cannot spend yourself rich".

-- Posted by BCStoned on Mon, Mar 17, 2008, at 11:46 PM


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