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Thursday, February 28, 2008

Message to thief

THIS IS to the person or persons who stole my purse from the Sears Grand parking lot. Not only do I have to replace everything in my purse, but it took me almost a year to save up that money. It was dumb of me to take it out of the bank, but that money was for new furniture for my living room. I am a single mother of four and have to work and save for everything I need and want. I have a full-time job. I don't depend on anyone for anything. The money was for bedroom furniture for my son and daughter. If you are reading this, I hope you know that it was a cruel thing to do. It would have been so easy just to turn the purse in to the store or the police station. I bet you did not know the store has cameras outside. I hope they find you. I will press charges. I wanted to let you know how much you took away from my family. I hope you are able to sleep well at night after reading this.

Removing the snow

JACKSON NEEDS to watch how Cape Girardeau removes snow and ice from streets. Cape doesn't wait until the snow hits and hopes it melts on its own. Cinders and ice melt are not going to do any good if you don't use equipment to get rid of the snow when it is melting.

Puzzling question

COLUMNIST VIC Hanson asked whether or not Barack Obama would be able to translate his unquestionable charisma into action, if elected president. FDR did. JFK did. Ronald Reagan did. Why would he ask such a question about Obama?

Police take action

GOOD NEWS. The police have shown up in the 1200 block of South Pacific Street. Maybe, just maybe, the problem in this block has been eradicated. Time will tell. Thanks, Cape Girardeau Police Department, for taking out the garbage.

Good concert

I WOULD like to say thank you to the Show Me Center for the Breaking Benjamin concert. I usually drive to St. Louis to see them. Please have them come back soon. Thanks.

No understanding

I FIND it incredible that a man taking thousands of dollars a month (Missouri House Speaker Rod Jetton) from fellow Republicans for consulting fees (including our own state Sen. Jason Crowell) has the audacity to refer to anyone else as a lazy Missourian. Unfortunately, he'll never learn what he could from the "lazy Missourians" desperate for jobs, because he's going from not representing or understanding them to making big bucks in his consulting firm.

Apology due

I READ the article regarding the comment made by Missouri House Speaker Rod Jetton about lazy Missourians. I cannot believe an elected public official holding the rank he does in the House would make such a remark. Jetton offended, with his remarks, thousands of hard-working Missourians, and he owes them an apology.

Thanks for roses

I WOULD like to send a big thank you to the people from Cape First Church who handed out flowers Friday night at Saint Francis Medical Center. They handed a half dozen roses to every employee, patient and visitor they saw. You brightened our evening. Thank you.

Small-town police

SMALL-TOWN values don't exist anymore. In the 1990s the peace enforcer turned into the law enforcer. They have no concept of what smaller towns are OK with. Instead, they stop everyone. That's what evaluations are made of nowadays. Evaluations are more based upon how many big busts you have, not how you handled the situation.


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Rod Jetton

I met Rod Jetton, in Wayne County, when he first ran for office. A Republican State Committeeman, said that he was concerned about some of Jetton's ideas, and cautioned him not to stray. I warned him not to let the big city lights of Jefferson City, the lobbyists and the special interests beguile him.

Jetton's recent statements are so callous, so devoid of understanding of the economy and what has happened to Missourians, that it is beyond belief.

If the Democrats would only get on this story, use it in commercials, they could paint the Republicans with a broad Jetton-ish, anti-rural Missourian, globalist outsourcing, brush and turn Missouri BLUE.

It was words such as these that cost the King of France his head during the French Revolution. Jetton's waving a red flag and calling Missourians lazy, will do for the Democrats, what "Let Them Eat Cake" did for the French. Make them winners in areas where they were not before.

The 8th Congressional District, our district, is like the 12th POOREST District in the Nation. The Democrats need to really drive this point and Jetton's words home. In the meantime, let him continue to "consult" Republican politicans in Missouri. It makes the Republcian attachment to Jetton's words all the more convincing to voters In southwest, south central, and southeast Missouri.

Thank ya kindly, Rod.

-- Posted by Brill on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 12:18 AM

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-- Posted by Brill on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 12:37 AM

re: message to thief...

I am always amazed at the victims of crime trying to appeal to the criminal.

-- Posted by conservababe on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 12:47 AM

ROD JETTON on WELFARE and the Jason Crowell Connection.

According to a letter writer from Bollinger County, Rod Jetton lived on welfare and in subsidized housing, while attending college at Southwest Baptist. Yet, now, he calls Missourians lazy for not jumping at jobs that pay $14,500 a year BEFORE FEDERAL, STATE, FICA, and other deductions are taken out. We are probably talking about a salary of $11,000, or, less, just my guess.

Here is the letter from a Mr. Lacey in Marble Hill.

http://www.semissourian.com/story/131397...

This one is a doozy.......

"So what caused Jetton's immigration views to change from 2006 to 2008?

Maybe the answer lies in a Dec. 31 St. Louis Post-Dispatch article that stated Jetton was "earning $6,000 a month on the payroll of GOP candidate Mitt Romney." In that article, Jetton said, "I wish it were more money."

"(For the record, that is probably the same reason Wayne County residents didn't flock to apply for $8-an-hour jobs.)"

Interesting point in the letter concerning the Jason Crowell-Rod Jetton connection.

"One could describe Jetton's own work ethic as an elected official as less than desirable, yet he managed to find time to work for Mitt Romney as well as start Common Sense Conservative Consulting, whose best (and perhaps) only customer is state Sen. Jason Crowell, who paid Jetton $33,000 between 2005 and 2006.

House Speaker Jetton is the last person qualified to criticize Missourians who are on government assistance.

According to the Oct. 9, 2006, issue of the Kansas City Buzz Blog, "Jetton didn't mention that he had been on welfare and lived in subsidized housing while a student at Southwest Baptist University in the late 1980s with a wife and young child."

and....

"He pretended to be a friend to Missourians who care about their heritage, yet he co-sponsored St. Louis radical Muslim Democratic state Rep. Talibdin El-Amin's slavery apology bill, another irony considering the fact that illegal immigrants compromise a new type of slavery, one in which corporations can drive down labor costs and men like former state representative Nathan Cooper of Cape Girardeau are able to profit off the importation of them.

The Missouri taxpayer provides Jetton's salary and his medical insurance, which makes him the biggest welfare recipient in his district.

The only difference between Jetton and the underprivileged in Missouri whom he considers "lazy" is the fact that he can pursue as much supplemental income as he wants to and not lose his assistance. "

Shame, Rod Jetton, shame on you.

The new, neocon Republicans at play, will turn Missouri BLUE.

-- Posted by Brill on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 12:47 AM

conservababe

It is sad, but I was thinking the same thing. I just didn't say it. Glad that you did.

These types of criminals have no remorse. Usually, druggies, who have no care except where their next fix is coming from today.

-- Posted by Brill on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 12:49 AM

Thieves: That women should be assured that somewhere, her money was well spent, snorted,inhaled or injected.

Pity, those scumbags shoould be hung by their toes.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 4:33 AM

Thieves:

Doubt a thief such as this even reads the paper. I am still in favor of capitol punishment. Cut off his hands, then he can't do it again!

-- Posted by KoH_Cliff on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 7:46 AM

Where did those days go when you could leave your frontdoor and car unlocked with no worries. Sad

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 7:50 AM

Sorry Aggie, I am pretty young, I never got to experience those days.

-- Posted by KoH_Cliff on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 7:57 AM

Cliff

Those were the days when criminals were considered thugs and punished as such, as opposed to today when criminals are considered victims of society and allowed to rack up mile long rap sheets with little or no punishment.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 8:06 AM

Mr. Jetton's comments could be relayed across other states other than Missouri. There are lazy Missourians, lazy Texans, etc. In my opinion he was calling the kettle black.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 8:27 AM

Jerry Fletcher:

"I warned him not to let the big city lights of Jefferson City, the lobbyists and the special interests beguile him."

Nice, colorful language, but there are no "big city lights" in Jefferson City. They roll the sidewalks up at 5:00 pm. It's worse than Cape Girardeau in that respect, with approximately the same population.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 8:35 AM

No understanding,

One should always keep in mind, the media has the power to "shape" an article's focus. Without offering the context of a discussion, many comments could be demeaned negative in the public's eye.

IMO Would rather someone freely communicate on an honest level, even if it means sticking ones foot in their mouth on occasion... than a scripted, manipulative dialog.

James, Gosh darn...we agree again?

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 8:36 AM

This a link for Aggie and Babe

http://www.semissourian.com/story/131460...

-- Posted by DickCheney on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:30 AM

Go Rod Jetton!!!!!!! I thought his comments were right on the money. There are way too many people who sit on their butts all day long and refuse to get a job and then my tax dollars are putting food in their mouth and heating their traielrs. It's ridiculous how lazy some people are and can be. I've been working since the day I turned 16 and I'll keep working until I'm eligible for retirement or die. If these lazy bums had 1/2 the work ethic I do then they wouldn't be getting all the hand outs. Maybe then all of our jobs wouldn't end up in Mexico or over seas.

If you legitimately can't work due to health reasons, then I have no problem with that. But if you won't get off your lazy butt, then you deserve nothing!!!!!!! You and your family can eat out of trash cans for all I care.

-- Posted by cubbytodd on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 10:27 AM

This link will provide further insight into Barack Hussein Obama's religious preferences.

Doesn't exactly sound like a uniting type of fellow to me, as a matter of fact, he sounds rather divisive.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,3001...

-- Posted by Hellomynameis on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 10:29 AM

Hellomynameis - well if we can't make the Muslim info stick - lets go after the black (at least you are correct he is biracial). Too bad he's not a woman or you'd have another angle for attack. Gee - let's just have another white male - they've done such a great job lately. What is McCain's religion - he seems not to know.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 10:52 AM

Dick

Despite Obama's protestations to the contrary, his father was muslim and his step father was an avowed practicing muslim. He went to muslim schools in his formative years. He is close friends with Louis Farrakahan who is a radical muslim.

-- Posted by conservababe on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 11:06 AM

conservababe - where do you get your information? Did you even read the article or any other that doesn't share your point of view? Even when someone does the research for you, you show no awareness.

Babe the earth is flat - get over yourself.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 11:27 AM

Dick, since when did color, race, sex orientation or anything else have to do with any job? I mentioned NOTHING about his color. I could care less. You are the one bringing up the discrimination issue. Quit playing the race card.

The fact of the matter is his pastor, who he has followed for 20+ years, is a radical. Sorry, that is what he is.

According to your logic, we shouldn't elect anyone, even someone who is well qualified, if he/she is white!

-- Posted by Hellomynameis on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 11:33 AM

Hellomynameis radical about what?

-- Posted by DickCheney on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 11:37 AM

Hellomynameis,

Of course you didn't say it, you just implied it. To say it would take too much courage. Tell me, what is the preacher radical about?

-- Posted by DickCheney on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 11:43 AM

Did you not read the article? If not, I will cut and paste a section of the article:

Some of Wright's sermons, which often address themes of white supremacy and black repression, have come under scrutiny by those who interpret them as racially divisive. Such preaching, they believe, polarizes Americans rather than unites them.

"Wright's preaching does promote a sort of racial exclusivity," said Michael Cromartie, vice president of the Ethics and Public Policy Center in Washington.

"Statements that suggest you cannot truly understand God unless you are black or poor are exclusive."

Remarks attributed to Wright that were posted on audio files on the Internet and cited in press accounts earlier this year may have prompted the criticism.

"Fact number one: We've got more black men in prison than there are in college.

"Fact number two: Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run.

"We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns and the training of professional killers. ... We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. ... We conducted radiation experiments on our own people. ... We care nothing about human life if the ends justify the means.

"And ... And ... And! God! Has got! To be sick! Of this s***!"

Wright had been scheduled to speak at Obama's Feb. 10 presidential announcement. But after news of the remarks were published, the senator apparently changed his mind the night before and chose the Rev. Otis Moss III, Wright's successor at Trinity United Church of Christ. Moss declined the invitation.

-- Posted by Hellomynameis on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 11:44 AM

Hellomynameis,

Oh, so it was the race thing - thought so.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 11:45 AM

Dick

http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/obama_wri...

-- Posted by conservababe on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 11:47 AM

Hellomynameis,

Are you denying there was/is white supremacy and black repression in this country? Take you head out of that hole and look around - listen.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 11:48 AM

Dick, it is a race thing if you are promoting what the gentleman is preaching. Do you refuse to believe that racism can go both ways?

Do you think Farrakhan is a fair and equitable man? Do you think he preaches tolerance? This guy is advocating the same BS.

You need to listen to Bill Cosby. He has the answers to what is wrong with the black community.....

-- Posted by Hellomynameis on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 11:50 AM

William Henry Cosby for President.

Barack Hussein Obama is the logical choice to succeed Jessie Jackson as the head of Rainbow/PUSH.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 12:05 PM

Dick Cheney,

There was no doubt in my mind the minute Obama arose as the Democratic contender the Republican Party was either going to start attacking him on race, religion, middle name, or all three. Logically, it's the only thing that McCain can attempt to fight him on.

Like I mentioned before, this election will either take us back 100 years, or finally move us forward. With comments like Hellomynameis and yasgurfarm, it's apparent that we have't evolved that much since the 1960's. Heaven help us all.

-- Posted by Shiva_God_of_Death on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 12:15 PM

You cannot right a wrong with another wrong. You cannot legislate people's thoughts and ideas.

Although those kind of divisive folks have the right to say whatever they feel, it certainly doesn't make them correct. No more so than the grand wizard of the KKK is correct. They are both wrong.

-- Posted by Hellomynameis on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 12:16 PM

Shiva_God_of_Death - I think you hit it square on the head. And I think I made my point, hellomynameis.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 12:20 PM

Liberule and Aggie,

Just like I have mentioned a 1000 times, 25 years ago stuff like this wouldn't have happened. Just one of the reason's I am stuck in a time warp. Cape is now a transient community with newbies moving in and out of here all over the place. I wished we never would have grown. Give me back the Cape of 1975 and the Blue Law. Simple life, low to no crime, no traffic, and everything closed on Sunday. This kind of reminds me of the "Pleasantville" tragedy.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 12:22 PM

DickCheney. Conservababe likes to just spout off at random without viable sources. She never has anything positive to say about anyone. Once you put her in her place and catch her in a lie, she changes subjects and tries to ignore what you say.

-- Posted by Snoops_Malone on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 12:29 PM

I would just almost bet that Hellomynameis and Conservababe listen to Rush Limbaugh religiously. I guess they heard his, "the liberals are out to destroy us speech" today.

-- Posted by Snoops_Malone on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 12:31 PM

Back to you Babe - this from FOX

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Feb27/0...

-- Posted by DickCheney on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 12:41 PM

Actually mary, I almost never listen to Rush Limbaugh. I am more of a Neal Boortz type of guy.

I am sure you would listen to liberal talk radio if it existed, but the market has determined that there is no demand. No one wants to listen to socialists.

In reality, there is a left wing station on Sirius that I listen to from time to time, but being a good conservative, I am working and haven't the time.

-- Posted by Hellomynameis on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 12:42 PM

Mary Jo, just like so many others of us, I see you have conservababe completely pegged. Babe is a real work of art.

-- Posted by iago on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 12:54 PM

Shiva

If I believed that Obama would make a good president, I would vote for him regardless of race. So don't start pitching that race card to me. That dawg won't hunt! What does concern me, though, is his muslim ties to people who are quite frankly radical muslims.

-- Posted by conservababe on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 1:06 PM

FOX News contributor Kirsten Powers said Obama will be able to distance himself from Farrakhan.

"I don't think he has problems with Jewish groups. He has humongous Jewish support," she said. "He's not Louis Farrakhan, he's pro-Israel. He said that last night that Israel is a very important ally of the United States and he understands that."

-- Posted by DickCheney on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 1:14 PM

Conservababe.

The dog did hunt. This is what I said, "There was no doubt in my mind the minute Obama arose as the Democratic contender the Republican Party was either going to start attacking him on race, religion, middle name, or all three. Logically, it's the only thing that McCain can attempt to fight him on."

Looks like you pulled the religion Farrakhan card. Besides, I thought this was America, the birth place of "Freedom of Religion." Congratulations Conservababe, instead of setting us back 100 years, you just set us back 250 years.

On another note, your cliche' statements like "This dog don't hunt" and "Lord love a duck" are a bit over used. Can you come up with something else?

-- Posted by Shiva_God_of_Death on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 1:15 PM

I'm going to throw up a question that has been bothering me for a while and since the race card has been thrown down I am interested in yall's reponses.

Obama had a black father and a white mother. Why is he called "black"?

-- Posted by conservababe on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 1:20 PM

Who's calling him 'black"??? Why not a Democrat running for president?

-- Posted by changedname on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 1:22 PM

dexterite

The Washington Post does...

http://postbourgie.com/2008/01/08/anne-a...

-- Posted by conservababe on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 1:27 PM

Conservababe,

We have not established a bicultural classification system in the United States. Because of the pigmentation of his skin, he has been immediately classified as "black."

When we fill out forms regard race or color, there are only Black or White or African American or Caucasion blocks for choice. There is no bicultural block of choice. Color is not or should not be an issue.

The real question is: Why does this bother YOU that Obama had a black father and a white mother and that he is called "black?"

-- Posted by Shiva_God_of_Death on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 1:34 PM

Shiva

From the horses mouth...

Quote from Barack Obama's book, Dreams Of My Father:

In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school"

"I studied the Koran.."

"The person who made me proudest of all, though, was [half brother] Roy .. He converted to Islam."

From 'The Audacity Of Hope, "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

-- Posted by conservababe on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 1:36 PM

Conservababe.

I'll repeat myself. This is America, the birthplace of Freedom of Religion. Congratulations! Once again, you have proven my point.

-- Posted by Shiva_God_of_Death on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 1:53 PM

Shiva-

"it's apparent that we have't evolved that much since the 1960's. Heaven help us all."

You are right. MLK Jr. would be crying right now were he alive. Everything he fought for is being destroyed by the likes of Jackson, Farrakhan, Sharpton, et. al. They cannot let us forget skin color. They keep the wounds open and alive every day. They've encouraged and enabled three (or four) generations now who are dependent on a handout, and have no immediate mentors in their respective communities.

I illustrate my point with Cape's own Family Resource Center. Denise Lincoln, and other white community members are giving their time, blood, sweat and tears to keep that place open to try to give young black children an opportunity to see positive role models. They are struggling and scraping and fighting tooth and nail to keep it open. Are there members of Cape's successful black community helping them? I don't think so.

The majority of the white community is more interested in the elevation and education of the minority classes in this country than their own people are. Their elevation to equal education, jobs and representation is the only thing that will keep society from having to prop them up for eternity. But, it ain't gonna happen, primarily because of those leeches listed above.

The truth hurts.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 1:57 PM

yasgurfarm,

What truth? What hurt? What does this have to do with Obama?

You said,

"William Henry Cosby for President.

Barack Hussein Obama is the logical choice to succeed Jessie Jackson as the head of Rainbow/PUSH."

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 12:05 PM

What kind of statement was that? The truth?

-- Posted by Shiva_God_of_Death on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 2:03 PM

Conservababe

If you are trying to insinuate guilt by association, I will remind you that Dick Cheney is related to Barack Obama.

-- Posted by Shiva_God_of_Death on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 2:06 PM

The Cosby comment is called "satire". Look it up.

The Obama comment is the truth. Obama is more suited to Rainbow/PUSH than he is the White House. Let's see a qualified black candidate for president. Obama is leading a "Cult of Personality". You might want to look that up, too.

Oh, heck. In the spirit of liberalism, I'll look it up for you. Here it is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality...

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 2:15 PM

I see everyone is fighting again today!!

Well, here's something I have a question about? First let me just say I do not consider myself to be prejudice, but I am sure alot of people say that about themselves. In reality everyone is prejudice to a degree about something, whether it be color,or faith, or whatever. Anyway, why is it that alot seem to still think that black people are being discriminated? Do white people have funds like black people do for college, you have to be black only to get it, if so I have never been told of any such funding or grant?? Do white people have a group who will go to court or bat for them so to speak when a black person makes a slur or slander against them, as they do the NAACP? Why doesn't a white person get hired because they are better qualified, but they need to hire someone that is black or another nationality because they don't want to have a lawsuit brought against them? IMO the job should go to whoever is the most qualified, and who will do the best job, for any job President or whatever the job may be. Sorry a head of time if this didn't come out the right way, like I said before I sometimes am not very good at writing. Fingers don't work as fast as the brain and so on, and I am not trying to offend anyone either so please do not take it the wrong way.

-- Posted by Twiggy60 on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 2:16 PM

Obama is a politician, therefore a piece of S**T!!!

McCain is a politician, therefore a piece of S**T!!

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 2:20 PM

oh what the word he's Mullato??? Isn't that what it is? There arguement settled (yeah right not in here)

-- Posted by are_we_having_fun_yet on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 2:28 PM

and for all you McCain lovers out there you do realize he was born in PANAMA right so his eligibility is in question.

-- Posted by are_we_having_fun_yet on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 2:29 PM

Ignorance:

"The Cosby comment is called "satire". Look it up.

The Obama comment is the truth. Obama is more suited to Rainbow/PUSH than he is the White House. Let's see a qualified black candidate for president. Obama is leading a "Cult of Personality". You might want to look that up, too.

Oh, heck. In the spirit of liberalism, I'll look it up for you. Here it is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality...

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 2:15 PM"

Let the words speak for themselves.

-- Posted by Shiva_God_of_Death on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 2:29 PM

Back to you again conservababe,

Your quotes are twisted and taken out of context, as I think you are aware (but so are we).

In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school"

"I studied the Koran.."

"The person who made me proudest of all, though, was [half brother] Roy .. He converted to Islam."

Check:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/mus...

-- Posted by DickCheney on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 2:33 PM

Babe, Aggie said he studied the Koran too - what should we do about that?

-- Posted by DickCheney on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 2:36 PM

Dick Cheney,

It seems many of the posters in this room love to distort the truth, even create their own truths. Did you read yasgurfarm's 2:15pm quote. If not please do. Pay especially close attention to his remarks in the sentence beginning, "Let's see a qualified..."

-- Posted by Shiva_God_of_Death on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 2:38 PM

Seems they also forgot about something called, "Freedom of Religion." Maybe it's because he is catholic like JFK? Am I missing something bigger here?

-- Posted by Shiva_God_of_Death on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 2:40 PM

And I distorted the "truth" in what way?

-- Posted by Hellomynameis on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 2:40 PM

Babe: Your excerpt from Sen. Obama's "Audacity," was, in my opinion, somewhat out of context: "In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans … have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging," he laments. "I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

There was a preface to your, "I will stand...." quote.

And *you* are pulling the race card as much as anyone, if not the religion one as well.

To me, the quote implies that he will stand with them not as a FELLOW Muslim, but stand with them as a fellow *American* to protect their rights as an American. Meaning, if the government begins to unfairly treat upstanding Americans who have no ties to terrorism, but who only have a name that sounds foreign, he would uphold their rights as Americans not to be unfairly persecuted because of their appearance or heritage.

More power to Obama if he's thinking of anti-Muslim riots or unwarranted arrests as being an "ugly direction."

I think Obama should explain what he means by "ugly direction," before we assume it means he wants to take over the country and force us to convert to Islam...even though that is not what you said he was out to do in your post...I'm not sure what your point was in your post, other than to post something out of context. You didn't really say anything other than, "From the horse's mouth." What was your point?

-- Posted by gofigure on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 2:42 PM

Hellomynameis, The arguement is centering around remarks made by yasgurfarm and conservababe at the moment.

-- Posted by Shiva_God_of_Death on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 2:42 PM

when i just read some of the comments and hating going on in these blogs about Obama. it is a joke that you who wrote this stuff actually feel that way. but i know why...the pressure is on, but you like many others in america are realizing that his candidancy is not just a dream or speeches. it is happening for real jack and before long, we will have our first african american president. that is great. you should be proud that the united states has finally evolved. I say yes to Obama being president. He cannot do no worse that all the other white presidents have done....because many of the white presidents have really messed this country up now and in the past. So let's give a brotha a chance to work his magic. You who dogged Jesse Jackson out, you forget that it was Jesse Jackson who was the only one who was able to go over and sit down with hussein and get them white boyz released from being held hostages a few years ago, or did you forget. do you not remember that. So be glad that the other countrues will talk with black men. However, they don't want to sit down and talk with the white men....why do you think that? i think you know. They cannot be trusted!

Even starting now...the white men will soon be the minority in this country with hispanics, african americans and creoles, and others all gaining people. White america cannot not hardly stand that....but remember you all started it with your "come one come all", "freedom is here", "you can make it here". This county was built on the back of the black man, So now that a black man is finally climibing on top of the highest position in the government, then don't be hating, be glad for him. for one can achieve anything he wants if the people choose from their hearts and not their mouths. So hell yeah, i am going to vote for Obama and come this november, we all will celebrate a victory together...you will see, he will be one of the greatest presidents ever. just watch

-- Posted by kadillac on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 2:44 PM

I told you she likes to distort the truth then, "Lord love a (duck)" and run. It's her trademark method of operation. Pretty typical Republican tactic.

-- Posted by Snoops_Malone on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 2:47 PM

Shiva, yasgurfarm's statement sounds like a combination of racism and ignorance.

-- Posted by Snoops_Malone on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 2:48 PM

Babe,

"The person who made me proudest of all, though, was [half brother] Roy .. He converted to Islam."

Do you see the ... that means something is left out. You might check to see what that was before you use the quote.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 2:49 PM

mildmanners

You really should look up the criteria to be met when running for POTUS.

-- Posted by conservababe on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 2:49 PM

Shiva-

You're a trip.

Why not ask for some reaction to my 1:57 pm posting? I'll tell you why: because nobody has a legitimate answer.

Forget national or global politics. Even locally, the black community has deserted it's only possible salvation: Its young people.

How sad.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 2:52 PM

Ohhh she used POTUS. Ohh she is soo cool, sooo smart, soo intelligent. *rolls eyes*

-- Posted by Snoops_Malone on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 2:52 PM

Shiva

You forgot the most important quote....

From 'The Audacity Of Hope, "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

-- Posted by conservababe on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 2:52 PM

OK BABE HERE YA GO MAKE SURE YOU LOOK CLOSELY

Qualifications for the Office of President

Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

Term limit amendment - US Constitution, Amendment XXII, Section 1 -- ratified February 27, 1951

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

-- Posted by are_we_having_fun_yet on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 2:54 PM

John McCain is a US citizen, therefore elligible for President.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 2:56 PM

John McCain is a US citizen, therefore elligible for President.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 2:57 PM

But not NATURAL BORN so if someone wanted to cause a stink they could and when because he was born in the central american country of Panama look it up

-- Posted by are_we_having_fun_yet on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 2:58 PM

Conservababe

How many prejudicial remarks are you going to continue to make? Freedom of Religion. (Even if you are taking quotes out of context) Freedom of Speech and Religion.

Yasgurfarm, Here's my response: Do you have a problem with a person Race? Color? Religion? That's all you and Conservababe has posted for the last hour. I stand by my statement, by the looks of this room, we haven't evolved much since the 1960's. As far as that is concerned, it looks like we haven't evolved much since our Declaration of Independance either.

-- Posted by Shiva_God_of_Death on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 2:59 PM

John McCain is a US citizen, therefore eligible for President. Nothing anyone can do about it.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:02 PM

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-- Posted by are_we_having_fun_yet on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:03 PM

John McCain is a US citizen, therefore eligible for President. Nothing anyone can do about it.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:03 PM

Yes librule they can because he is not a natural born citizen of this country his birth took place in another country so there for he was a naturalized citizen by the fact that his parents were american citizens. if that was the case the Terminator could be president because he's an american citizen too!

-- Posted by are_we_having_fun_yet on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:04 PM

Somebody better get some shovels, because s**t is getting deep in here.

-- Posted by Twiggy60 on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:05 PM

mildmannered,

Don't worry, McCain will be slaughtered in the general election anyway. Heck, his own party won't even stand completely behind him. Rush Limbaugh was still bashing him on his show this week.

-- Posted by Shiva_God_of_Death on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:06 PM

John McCain is a US citizen, therefore eligible for President. Nothing anyone can do about it

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:06 PM

Yes librule they can because he is not a natural born citizen of this country his birth took place in another country so there for he was a naturalized citizen by the fact that his parents were american citizens. if that was the case the Terminator could be president because he's an american citizen too!

-- Posted by are_we_having_fun_yet on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:07 PM

Yes librule they can because he is not a natural born citizen of this country his birth took place in another country so there for he was a naturalized citizen by the fact that his parents were american citizens. if that was the case the Terminator could be president because he's an american citizen too!

-- Posted by are_we_having_fun_yet on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:08 PM

Yes librule they can because he is not a natural born citizen of this country his birth took place in another country so there for he was a naturalized citizen by the fact that his parents were american citizens. if that was the case the Terminator could be president because he's an american citizen too!

-- Posted by are_we_having_fun_yet on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:08 PM

see there I can be a four year old too!!!!

-- Posted by are_we_having_fun_yet on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:08 PM

LiberMULE, SNARKY, ANKLES, HEE-HAW!

-- Posted by Just_Me_and_My_Opinion. on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:08 PM

LiberMULE, SNARKY, ANKLES, HEE-HAW!

-- Posted by Just_Me_and_My_Opinion. on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:08 PM

LiberMULE, SNARKY, ANKLES, HEE-HAW!

-- Posted by Just_Me_and_My_Opinion. on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:08 PM

ARNOLD FOR PRESIDENT heck if any US CITIZEN can do it he'll be baaack right?

-- Posted by are_we_having_fun_yet on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:09 PM

Maria Schriver's gonna be first lady one day oh happy day!!!!

-- Posted by are_we_having_fun_yet on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:10 PM

mildmannered

Lordy lordy...we already been there and done that with Barry Goldwater.

-- Posted by conservababe on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:12 PM

I hope Obama picks one of the Kennedy's. That will definately push some conservative buttons.

-- Posted by Snoops_Malone on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:13 PM

Sorry but I have a valid point. and it got everybody off the race thing

-- Posted by are_we_having_fun_yet on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:14 PM

Shiva-

I am a certified United States mongrel citizen. Irish, German, English, Shawnee, African and God knows what else. I don't CARE what a person's race is, was, or will be (yes, will be. Michael Jackson has been trying to change his for years.)

I do RESENT, however, a group of people using their individual characteristics (whether it be race, sex, sexual orientation, age, etc.) to advance their cause solely on that defining characteristic. It's demeaning and morally reprehensible, and in my opinion, social fraud.

And you are either intellectually lazy, or you are a perpetrator of the same kind of social fraud I have characterized above.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:16 PM

Lets all vote for Jerry Fletcher for president. He's really good at writing long, long, long, speaches.

-- Posted by Twiggy60 on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:16 PM

Nope I say Jimmy Hoffa!!!!!!

-- Posted by are_we_having_fun_yet on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:17 PM

Kinda like Bush he'll never be around (cuz they can't find him) he'll take 9 months of vacation his first year in office (cuz they'll have to dig up the body and put it back together)

-- Posted by are_we_having_fun_yet on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:18 PM

I'm sorry, I was just trying to lighten things up a bit.

-- Posted by Twiggy60 on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:20 PM

Me too I am sick of this banter come on I liked "girl chat" better.

-- Posted by are_we_having_fun_yet on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:21 PM

Good grief, Babe bailed on us again. Typical.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:25 PM

I want to see all the liberal Obama lovers take out their checkbook and write a $100 check to the Family Resource Center. Today.

I'm going to aske Denise Lincoln in one week if she's received enough money to renovate the building per code.

Given the number of liberal pontificators on this blog, she should be able to completely restore her building.

Put your money where your mouth is.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:27 PM

Conservababe

The "I will stand quote..." you want someone to respond to that. I did. You didn't respond when I asked what you were trying to infer? It was out of context, so how can you infer something by listing Barak's non-contextual quote? Again, what was your point in posting that to begin with?

I'm not a 'regular' contributer here,so maybe that's why you didn't respond to my question to you, but I asked you to explain something and you didn't. So why get onto Shiva for not responding to your "I will stand..." comment?

Cat got your tongue?

-- Posted by gofigure on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:29 PM

uh duh we can't do that right now because it takes my whole paycheck to fill up my gas tank thanks to the evil president! No seriously what does that have to do with the price of rice in China (although gas is really high. I have a Mazda 3 and it takes 40 to fill it up!!!)

-- Posted by are_we_having_fun_yet on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:30 PM

Go figure, don't feel left out no one usually responds to me either.

-- Posted by Twiggy60 on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:31 PM

yasgurfarm

Good luck. Liberals only believe in charity when it involves other people's money.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:31 PM

Librule, you're right.

EVERYONE is born a liberal. Our mothers feed us, house us, clothe us and wipe our rear ends.

Some of us grow out of it.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:37 PM

Twiggy

Your post of minorities getting put at the head of the line in education and employment stand alones because you are so correct. When there is NO argument, this is what happens. LOL

-- Posted by conservababe on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:38 PM

appreciate that it was noticed, thank you

-- Posted by Twiggy60 on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:39 PM

gofigure - I saw it and was waiting for Babe's response too. She doesn't like to respond when she is "caught". BTW - good catch.

Twiggy - I listen to you too - sometimes I just nod and don't respond.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:39 PM

Thanks, Twiggy, for the response.

At least now I know my computer is still working and don't need to rush to Staples to get a new one!

I'm not picking on Conservababe, I've just noticed since I've been reading the comments here for the last few months, that The Babe ducks and covers when someone asks her to consider that she may have misquoted,or perhaps she was mistaken about how she perceived something, or that she could actually be wrong about something.

To me,an admirable person is able to admit that they have made a mistake. I believe The Babe did take Sen. Obama's quote out of context, but she won't consider to responding to that notion.

-- Posted by gofigure on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:41 PM

As I said last night we all make mistakes, I for one have made many to be ashamed of.

-- Posted by Twiggy60 on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:42 PM

To Err is to be human.

-- Posted by are_we_having_fun_yet on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:43 PM

That being said.

How many vote for Jerry Fletcher for president???

LOL

-- Posted by Twiggy60 on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:44 PM

Dick Cheney, I'm an admirer of your comments...gosh, I can't believe I just said that, meaning, saying that to Dick Cheney! Never thought I'd say, errr type, those words. Thanks for pointing out my naivette when it comes to The Babe. Think The Babe will take my first sentence in this dialogue out of context and assume I am an *avid* Dick Cheney fan? winx!

-- Posted by gofigure on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:44 PM

J/K

-- Posted by Twiggy60 on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:44 PM

Meaning the THE Dick Cheney that was in politics....

-- Posted by gofigure on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:45 PM

gofigure

Obama said it and I quoted it. I am not obligated to respond to every poster (such as you) just because you plead for me to so. I usually do not chew my fat twice. giggle

-- Posted by conservababe on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:46 PM

gofigure,

She might - she has already professed her love of the man and she thinks he is extremely good looking. Kinda why I chose the name - I wanted Babe's love. j/k

-- Posted by DickCheney on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:47 PM

Jerry Fletcher for President? That would assure us (Republicans) of a victory.

Run Jerry, RUN!!!

-- Posted by Hellomynameis on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:47 PM

Twiggy - count me out on that one.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:50 PM

LOL

-- Posted by Twiggy60 on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:50 PM

"Obama said it and I misquoted it"

conservababe

-- Posted by DickCheney on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:51 PM

yasgurfarm,

Do you really dare to engage me into a intellectual debate when you post racist remarks on this forum like something from 1960s Mississippi?

gofigure, I did respond to her quote. She failed to respond to my Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion response.

-- Posted by Shiva_God_of_Death on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:52 PM

"I am not obligated to respond truthfully to every poster (such as you) just because you plead for me to so."

'babe

-- Posted by DickCheney on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:53 PM

My we live in exciting times. It's just hard to believe we are going back to 1960. Yes, I remember the hatred toward JFK because he was Catholic, and I certainly remember how MLK was constantly being wire tapped by the government. Now that we have JFK and MLK wrapped into one candidate, just look at all of the animosity in this room. It's going to be an interesting Summer.

-- Posted by Marvgard on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:56 PM

Yasgurfarm

You are right. It is financially and politically rewarding for many to continue the attempt at dividing Americans by race/color. I have believed for decades that, left alone, and without the radicals like Jackson, Sharpton, etc., without all the minority preference programs, without all the discrimation rhetoric, the American people would eventually be just that--American people. The sad fact is that Blacks and Whites alike are taken in by the psychological brain-washing that there is and always will be about racism and prejudice. We are not allowed to forget that we should all be racists, and in fact we are encouraged to be just that.

We appear to have held back the Black Race by continuing the very programs meant to help them. We have taken away their incentive to do better as Americans, and have discouraged them from looking at themselves as American citizens, and instead have encouraged them in setting themselves apart because of their "heritage."

I used to think that the day would come when we were all Americans, all responsible for our own well-being, all proud to be Americans rather than slaves to our past. Due in large part to politics, it is apparent that I will not live that long.

IMO: Often it is not in anyone's best interests to get into a personal, uh, personal pi$$ing match over some of the comments in here. Also, disappearances in "this room" may mean some, like me, comment and then go on to the chores of life.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:57 PM

Here we go with the clichés again.

-- Posted by Shiva_God_of_Death on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 3:58 PM

Don't mean to beat a dead horse but here is something that is interesting

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypa...

-- Posted by are_we_having_fun_yet on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 4:00 PM

Just kind of thought provoking is all

Call me the Michael Moore of the Speakout Forum (don't beat me too hard please LOL)

-- Posted by are_we_having_fun_yet on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 4:01 PM

Mildmannered,

Not to put my input where it might not be wanted, but was McCain born on a military base or Embassy grounds? This would make him a 'natural born' citizen. And the reason I ask is because I don't know, and thought you might.

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 4:01 PM

He was born on a NOW PART of the US but wasn't at the time. I just like to throw a wrench in there sometimes and stir the pot. Probably shouldn't but I was a little bored and when I get bored I get in trouble...........

But follow that link and you'll have ur answer Pups

-- Posted by are_we_having_fun_yet on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 4:03 PM

Shiva,

I've been told by Dick Cheney that The Babe often ignores things because she's not obligated to respond to everything that's posted....so don't hold your breath on a response to your Freedoms of Religion & Speech. Your comment was well-thought out and not shot from your hip, so to speak. That usually takes care of things :)

I appreciate your rationale and your logic.

Dick Cheney, only in cape county would you have to use a name like that to pick up 'Babes (no offense to ladies like myself when I say 'Babes, just a play on words).

-- Posted by gofigure on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 4:06 PM

Oh and please don't be afraid to give me your opinion I can dish it and take it too. I'm a big girl and if I get myself in a sticky spot I'll have to find my own way out or admit defeat. (which I will but after much debate LOL)

-- Posted by are_we_having_fun_yet on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 4:06 PM

guru, very well stated! Kudos.

-- Posted by Hellomynameis on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 4:08 PM

Pups

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/pol...

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 4:11 PM

Hey Librule I put a link out there that said I was wrong too just so ya know, I AM WRONG

But like I said I was bored and wanted to get everyone off the race thing so I am sorry and you are right!

-- Posted by are_we_having_fun_yet on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 4:15 PM

mildmannered

Just asking. You're saying Panama Canal is now part of the US?

From 1903 to 1979 the territory was controlled by the United States of America, which had built and financed the canal's construction. From 1979 to 1999 the canal itself was under joint U.S.-Panamanian control. In 1977 the Torrijos-Carter Treaties established the neutrality of the canal.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 4:16 PM

Not part of the US but there is US territory over there like in any other country just about now via an embassy etc but no we don't own it just didn't interpret myself very well

-- Posted by are_we_having_fun_yet on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 4:17 PM

No problem.

There is no legal precident. But McCain will not be ruled ineligible by either congress or the Supreme Court.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 4:17 PM

And we did finance it being built right (teddy roosevelt?)

-- Posted by are_we_having_fun_yet on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 4:18 PM

Teddy financed it, Jimmy Carter gave it away.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 4:19 PM

That's what I was thinkin! wow for once thinking didn't get me into too much trouble!

-- Posted by are_we_having_fun_yet on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 4:20 PM

Thanks Lib.

Kind of what I was thinking.

On somewhat the same note. All of my sibling and myself are US citizens, but two of them are not "natural born" citizens. Well, I should say that is what we have always been told because the two that aren't were not born on a Military base (overseas) or within the USA like the other 8 of us were.

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 4:25 PM

Mild,

Like I said earlier, it doesn't matter anyway. McCain has two chances of being elected. Slim, and None.

-- Posted by Shiva_God_of_Death on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 4:28 PM

With the crop of Pres. candidates we have, the country has two chances to get back on the right track.....slim and none.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 4:33 PM

here is some info I found that might be helpful on the debate of what is a natural born citizen.

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_c...

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

Anyone born inside the United States

Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe

Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national

Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year

Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21

Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)

A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

In 2008, when Arizona Senator John McCain ran for president on the Republican ticket, some theorized that because McCain was born in the Canal Zone, he was not actually qualified to be president. However, it should be noted that section 1403 was written to apply to a small group of people to whom section 1401 did not apply. McCain is a natural-born citizen under 8 USC 1401(c): "a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person."

-- Posted by mightymo on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 4:48 PM

House Rule: If "The Mouth Rush" if for it; I'm against it; conversely, if The Mouth is against it, I'm for it.

It sounds to me as if some of the die-hard Republicans are somewhat worried about the outcome of this coming election. If GW is so wonderful and the country is in such fine shape, I'd think there would be nothing to fear. Why would most Americans be screaming for change?

-- Posted by iago on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 5:30 PM

Uh oh iago,

You done gone and said the "to not stay the same" word. You're in for it now. LMAO j/k

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 5:34 PM

Hey Pups, how r u feeling today?

-- Posted by Twiggy60 on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 5:39 PM

Movie Trivia anyone?

I'm here huckleberry...

You're no daisy! You're no daisy at all. Poor soul, you were just too high strung.

Why Ed does this mean we're not friends anymore? You know Ed, if I thought you weren't my friend... I just don't think I could bear it!

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 5:41 PM

Hint: 1993

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 6:04 PM

No clue melange don't go to the movies often or watch tv to much since we are gone alot.

-- Posted by Twiggy60 on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 6:15 PM

WE: How are you?

DH: I'm dying, how are you?

Western...

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 6:29 PM

I don't know, Gunfight at the OK Corral?

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 6:40 PM

Doc Holliday & Wyatt Earp

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 6:43 PM

Buzzzzzz--Answer: Tombstone

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 6:46 PM

Pupslover, let them bring it on. I can take it. I'm a survivor. Need proof? I have survived 7 years of GW, DC, and Republican rule. I've learned one thing. "Compassionate conservative" is an oxymoron, a crock I've known since the Reagan regime.

-- Posted by iago on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 7:00 PM

Twiggy,

Doing fine tonight, thanks for asking. I've been trying to be better. lol How's the "Not the Daddy, Not the Daddy" (j/k) feeling tonight? Noticed a bit fiesty still early this am. lol

Melange,

You have to know this one, it's an easy one, but I'll come up with better ones later.

"You know I love you more then my luggage."

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 7:07 PM

Did anyone hear about Ruark? It's about time! He was worse than Hovis when I attended Cape Central. I can clearly remember one incident when I approached him after an assembly, student handbook in hand, and I showed him a school-student privacy rule that he had definitely violated. He got mad and just started stuttering at me and a friend (who was also involved) and told the friend to "get lost, this doesn't concern him." This incident happened after several "harrassment episodes" between Ruark, Bradshaw, and Hovis between my friends and myself. (Remember Bradshaw--the one who had an affair with a colleague during school hours?) They always failed to remember that, by law, their jurisdiction is restricted to school property only. I hope Ruark's lazy eye prohibits him from finding work ever again. (That's right, I just violated my own policy about sticking to the topics that the Speak Outs above present--the Missourian probably won't publish this one, at least on the internet... copy and paste for future use.)

-- Posted by ynot on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 7:16 PM

Iago,

I was just razzing you. Know you are extremely capable of taking care of yourself.

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 7:20 PM

prudentdriver: What about Ruark? Do tell.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 7:29 PM

PUPs

"Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun."

Horror/Comedy depends on your sense of humor.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 7:38 PM

Message to Thief:

I am outraged on your behalf.

I see nothing wrong with vocalizing that you feel it is wrong to be violated.

To those still stuck in the 1960s...

I know they were your "glory days" of change....however--get with the times. Issues have evolved and change. Get up off your knuckles and stand erect!!!

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 7:40 PM

fajar,

Blood made in 1997?

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 7:49 PM

Night after night, no news on the telly about American deaths in Iraq. It would tend to make one think that nothing significant went on that day in Iraq. That is what the globalists and war profiteers want us to believe. The truth is otherwise.

Tuesday in Iraq,

All is not well among the collaborator groups set up by the US in Iraq.

"Member of Dhi Qar Provincial Assembly attacked as fighting among rival pro-American security agencies escalates.

In a dispatch posted at 3:41pm Baghdad time Tuesday afternoon, the Yaqen News Agency reported that unknown armed men attacked the home of Hatim al-Hasawnah, a member of the Dhi Qar Provincial Assembly in the pre-dawn hours of Tuesday morning.

Yaqen reported Akram at-Tamimi, the Director of the Press Office for the Provincial Assembly as saying that the attack took place in the Sumar neighborhood at 2:30am Tuesday morning. Al-Hasawnah's guards fought with the armed attackers and forced them to flee.

Yaqen noted that for several days the province of Dhi Qar had been in a chaotic state because of conflicts between various security service chiefs in the pro-American regime there.

On Monday, the provincial assembly voted to dissolve the Supreme Security Committee headed by 'Aziz Kazim 'Alwan, the provincial governor. A number of members of the assembly voiced their objections to the dissolution of the security committee, among them Hatim al-Haswnah, saying that dissolving the committee was "not in the interests of the province and its people."

Bomb destroys truck carrying construction supplies, killing two men early Tuesday.

"In a dispatch posted on its Arabic website at 6:42pm Tuesday evening Beijing time (1:42pm Baghdad time), the Xinhua News Agency reported that a bomb exploded by the side of the main road in the Sulayman Bayk area, 175km north of Baghdad, on Tuesday.

Xinhua reported a source in the Joint Coordination Center in Tikrit as saying that the blast destroyed a truck that was hauling construction materials, killing the driver and his companion. The reason for the attack was not clear."

"US troops raid TV station owned by pro-American Shi'i sectarian political party in Baghdad.

In a dispatch posted at 10:55am Baghdad time Tuesday morning, the Yaqen News Agency reported that US military forces arrested the News Director with the al-Furat TV station -- a broadcasting firm owned by the most powerful political party in the American-installed Baghdad regime.

Yaqen reported officials at the station as saying that Hafiz al-Bisharah, the News Director there and his son were arrested during American raids on the al-Furat offices in central Baghdad's al-Karradah district late Friday night, 22 February.

The al-Furat station is owned by the Shi'i sectarian Supreme Iraqi Islamic Council (SIIC), whose armed wing -- the 30,000-man Badr Brigades -- joined American military forces in invading and occupying Iraq in the spring of 2003. The SIIC is led by sectarian cleric 'Abd al-'Aziz al-Hakim who visited Washington and met with US President George Bush as recently as last November.

US occupation troops raided the station on Friday. They herded all the station's security guards into one room and confiscated their weapons. The Americans then raided a house located behind the station and there arrested al-Bisharah and his son, whom the Americans accuse of involvement in militia activity."

-- Posted by Brill on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 8:07 PM

My own submission for cut and paste.....

WHY

MEN ARE NEVER DEPRESSED:

Men

Are Just Happier People-- What do you expect

from such simple creatures? Your last name stays

put. The garage is all yours. Wedding plans take

care of themselves. Chocolate is just another

snack. You can never be pregnant. You can wear a

white T-shirt to a water park. You can wear NO

shirt to a water park. Car mechanics tell you

the truth. The world is your urinal. You never

have to drive to another gas station restroom

because this one is just too icky. You don't

have to stop and think of which way to turn a

nut on a bolt. Same work, more pay. Wrinkles add

character. Wedding dress $ 5000. Tux

rental-$100. People never stare at your chest

when you're talking to them. New shoes don't

cut, blister, or mangle your feet. One mood all

the time.

Phone

conversations are over in 30 seconds flat. You

know stuff about tanks. A five-day vacation

requires only one suitcase. You can open all

your own jars. You get extra credit for the

slightest act of thoughtfulness. If someone

forgets to invite you, he or she can still be

your friend.

Your

underwear is $8.95 for a three-pack. Three pairs

of shoes are more than enough. You almost never

have strap problems in public. You are unable to

see wrinkles in your clothes. Everything on your

face stays its original color. The same

hairstyle lasts for years, maybe decades. You

only have to shave your face and neck.

You

can play with toys all your life. One wallet and

one pair of shoes -- one color for all seasons.

You can wear shorts no matter how your legs

look. You can 'do' your nails with a pocket

knife. You have freedom of choice concerning

growing a mustache.

You

can do Christmas shopping for 25 relatives on

December 24 in 25 minutes.

No

wonder men are happier.

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 8:09 PM

Wednesday happenings in Iraq that failed to get into the US press. At least FOUR Americans killed, yet not a peep from our controlled, collaborationist press in the US.

"Resistance bombards US base in al-Habbaniyah with Katyusha rockets.

In a dispatch posted at 5:53pm Baghdad time Wednesday afternoon, the Yaqen News Agency reported that Iraqi Resistance fighters fired two Katyusha rockets at the US base in al-Habbaniyah, 70km west of Baghdad."

"Bomb destroys US Humvee in Samarra', reportedly killing four US troops.

In a dispatch posted at 12:50pm Baghdad time Wednesday afternoon, the Yaqen News Agency reported that a bomb exploded by a US patrol in the al-Bu Baz neighborhood of Samarra', 120km north of Baghdad."

"Bomb wounds truck driver south of Kirkuk Tuesday evening.

In a dispatch posted at 11:02am Baghdad time Wednesday morning, the Yaqen News Agency reported that a bomb exploded by a truck on the road running south from Kirkuk to Tikrit on Tuesday evening."

-- Posted by Brill on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 8:13 PM

I LOVE it Pups! That is so great and sooo true!! Thanks for giving me the biggest thing to laugh at all day (since I no longer have an ex-husband to laugh at!!)!!! Luv it!!

-- Posted by pookiebear on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 8:14 PM

Sounds like p*nis-envy, Pupslover. They have surgery for that now, and if you go to prison, you just might get it free! Best of luck!

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 8:17 PM

pookiebear,

Glad I could help. I know sometimes it gets rather ummm gloomy in here. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 8:21 PM

Pups, Hint please...don't know it yet???

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 8:22 PM

yasgurfarm,

Everyone has a different level of sense of humor, and sounds like your angry tone comes from haveing very "little" one.

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 8:24 PM

Melange,

"I'm not crazy, I've just been in a bad mood for 40 years."

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 8:28 PM

Mid 90s. It was the third of a series by a guy named Sam.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 8:36 PM

yasgurfar

I think that PUPs was just commenting on the fact that Adam gave Eve one rib all those years ago and it's been take take take ever since.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 8:39 PM

Ugh...still don't know it...

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 8:40 PM

Steel Magnolias?

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 8:45 PM

Melange,

"You are too twisted for color TV."

Starred three (I think) Oscar winners, a Country Star and Grammy winner, and a future Oscar winner.

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 8:47 PM

Melange,

Knew you would get it. lol

Fajar,

The only other one I could think of is Blade, but only my twisted sense of humor could find humor in that movie, but I did.

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 8:48 PM

yasgurfarm,

Appologies, you are entitled to your opinion. Hell, this is the Nation of entitlements, right?

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 8:49 PM

Fajar, Army of Darkness?

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 8:50 PM

Here's an easy one:

Quote : What we've got here is failure to communicate.

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 8:51 PM

Hey, melange . . . what did you think about the school board voting to rescind the external audit?

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 8:54 PM

Melange,

Cool Hand Luke.

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 8:54 PM

oh oh Here's another really easy one! (Different movie)

"I never drink...wine."

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 8:55 PM

Cool Hand Luke.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 8:56 PM

Pups, You are good!

yasgurfarm, Decided to email the school board members about it. IMO It was a poor choice, find my views in line with Mr. Nenninger...most of the time.

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 8:57 PM

Melange,

Dracula (sp). The version with Keanu Reeves?

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 8:59 PM

Pups, Yes...but believe it was used in one of the 50's Dracula's too.

Next one: "Sorry. Wrong number."

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:00 PM

Since I know you keep up with that sort of thing, isn't it interesting that they voted 7-0 in favor of an external audit at the December 17th meeting, then voted to cancel it at February meeting. When Sparky and the rest of the board jumped on Nenninger and Bertrand, they referred to "previous discussion."

When do you think that "previous discussion" occured? Remember hearing about it? Doesn't it seem like that should have been an open-meeting topic . . .

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:03 PM

Melange,

Parent Trap, 1998?

Oh and you're forgetting I have a data base at my disposal. LOL (I know, cheating. lol)

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:04 PM

Melange,

Actually, some I know, some I look up. lol

But I think you have me on the last one, and for the life of me, I can't place fajar's movie quote.

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:08 PM

yasgurfarm,

I missed this months meeting and don't have cable (direct tv instead, that is why I'm for the web broadcast of public meetings)...so I missed out on the public meeting.

But yes, if they made a comment like that... it would appear it had been discussed behind closed doors, which does not sound appropriate.

If they truly want the new "team" to work, they need to make sure the finances are in order.

Plus, IMO it would appear some "think" the public has accepted things are o-key-doo-key...as there was really not much out cry about the original issues (outside of a few comments in Speakout). No one or very very few came to the public meetings, and no one spoke about concerns.

I did receive two replies to my email, one very detailed one explaining why the member changed their mind. However, I did not find the information compelling.

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:10 PM

Good one, fajar . . .

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:10 PM

pups,

Me too...look up some. No, last one was a trick...name of movie, was also the hint. LMAO

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:11 PM

Melange,

The movie starred Barbara Stanwick, and an old Black and white, right.

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:13 PM

Melange,

The quotes I've used tonight and in the past are quotes I don't look up. :-)

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:13 PM

Pups, Yes...just watched it this weekend...recorded it on a all Barbara day a few months back. Good movie!

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:14 PM

Pups, :-)~

My memory is not that good! To get 'em right, I have to look them up first. hehe

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:15 PM

melange--

Nothing I heard was compelling, least of all Sparky's garbage about "getting the same thing we already got." It just doesn't add up. That external audit didn't have to be "random" as she kept saying. The board could have directed them to look at specific areas. Besides, Larson Allen SPECIALIZES in school finances. They would have been a great asset.

I figured Lindy would have been all over that like white on rice. She would have if she were worth her salt as a reporter.

Sounds like some, ummm, state law could have been fractured a bit with the private discussions, don't ya think?

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:15 PM

fajar,

Question, who would win in a fight, Barbara Stanwick or Joan Crawford? If you are old enough to remember them that is. LOL

Melange,

"You played it for them, you can play it again for me."

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:18 PM

yasgurfarm,

Yes...and did you notice the comment on the article...that appeared to have "inside" information?

Lindsey is not a "tough" reporter, otherwise the district would have taken a whole lot more heat over the recent issues. IMO Plus, Sunshine Laws does allow access to information that the public has the right to know...seMissourian should be using this to keep the public informed.

IMO...This move has to do with politics, they don't think they need to spend the money...because the public is not upset enough. Obviously, it appears some of them don't really care if the finances are in order. Maybe they are thinking "why" stir the pot, not that things have settled down?

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:21 PM

typo...last line should say "now" instead of not

Anyway...bedtime...catch you guys tomorrow.

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:23 PM

Good news from Iraq that is fit for even the New York Slimes to print:

Editorial

Making (Some) Progress in Iraq

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Published: February 14, 2008

Good news is rare in Iraq. But after months of bitter feuding, Iraq's Parliament has finally approved a budget, outlined the scope of provincial powers, set an Oct. 1 date for provincial elections and voted a general amnesty for detainees.

All these steps are essential for national conciliation. As always in Iraq, it is best to read the fine print. Final details of the legislation aren't known. The country's three-member presidency council must still sign off. And then the laws have to be implemented.

One month after Parliament approved a law intended to open government jobs to former members of Saddam Hussein's Baath Party, American officials insist it will ensure that more former Baathists will be hired than barred. That will take a lot more good will and follow-through than Iraq's central government has so far shown.

The Bush administration -- which has displayed only intermittent interest in Iraq's political stalemates -- will have to press a lot harder to make sure that all these new laws are translated into action.

We are, of course, cheered by the news that representatives from Iraq's three main ethnic groups -- Shiite, Sunni and Kurd -- finally saw some benefit in compromise.

The Kurds' largely autonomous regional government got what it wanted -- a 17 percent share of the 2008 budget. The Sunnis will be the main beneficiaries of the amnesty law since 80 percent of the detainees in Iraqi jails are Sunnis.

The third law will transfer more power to Iraq's ethnically dominated provincial governments -- something all groups say they want. There are already questions about whether the provincial governments will be ready to hold elections in October. The United States and its allies will have to move quickly to provide both funding and technical help.

And there is a lot more work to be done. Iraq's Parliament has yet to approve a law to ensure an equitable sharing of oil revenues.

Unfortunately, Iraq's leaders still appear to feel no real sense of urgency. And the Bush administration -- which is now talking about a "pause" in the drawdown of American troops -- certainly isn't doing anything to change their minds. Right after Wednesday's vote, Parliament members began a five-week holiday.

-- Posted by Hellomynameis on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:23 PM

Pups, That's an easy one...Casablanca? right?

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:23 PM

NO, I did not see the "inside" comment. Where can I find it?

Also, if "not spending the money" is the reasoning, it is a lame reason. $10,000 for an audit of a financial system that had, oh, OVER A MILLION DOLLARS IN ERRORS, is a drop in the bucket. They could recover that money in one account that was "miscoded".

Five members of the board are ignoring their fiduciary responsibility.

Lindy, or somebody, needs to keep digging . . .

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:25 PM

yasgurfarm, (The fact that this comment may have inside info, was pointed out to me by a board member.)

I sit and read the article then I read the comments and I am amazed at how everyone seems to think they know all there is to know about what goes on. How is it that an individual can be discredited because they were passed a message from the previous director of finance regarding interest a week or so into the job. One should not pass judgement based on information that does not tell the entire story. This is not something new, it happened in November and if you actually watched a board meeting and knew what was going on you think a bit more before you comment on someones abilities.

-- Posted by GetaLifeCG on Tue, Feb 26, 2008, at 10:48 AM

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:29 PM

I see! Thank you melange, and good night!

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:30 PM

yasgurfarm,

Perhaps...we should go to the next school board meeting, and decide if we should speak on this topic?

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:31 PM

More good news:

There is good news from Iraq, believe it or not. It comes from the most unlikely place: Anbar province, home of the Sunni insurgency. The level of violence has plummeted in recent weeks. An alliance of U.S. troops and local tribes has been very effective in moving against the al-Qaeda foreign fighters. A senior U.S. military official told me--confirming reports from several other sources--that there have been "a couple of days recently during which there were zero effective attacks and less than 10 attacks overall in the province (keep in mind that an attack can be as little as one round fired). This is a result of sheiks stepping up and opposing AQI [al-Qaeda in Iraq] and volunteering their young men to serve in the police and army units there." The success in Anbar has led sheiks in at least two other Sunni-dominated provinces, Nineveh and Salahaddin, to ask for similar alliances against the foreign fighters. And, as TIME's Bobby Ghosh has reported, an influential leader of the Sunni insurgency, Harith al-Dari, has turned against al-Qaeda as well. It is possible that al-Qaeda is being rejected like a mismatched liver transplant by the body of the Iraqi insurgency.

-- Posted by Hellomynameis on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:32 PM

Melange,

Yeppers, and sleep tight. Talk to you tomorrow.

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:33 PM

Good thought.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:33 PM

Thanks for the good news, Hellomynameis.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:33 PM

Hellomynameis,

Almost skipped your good info because it started like some other "good info".

Now see what you made me do, I was going to stay neutral this eveing on politics. LOL Hope you are doing well, and us Liberals aren't wearing you down too much. haha Have a great night.

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:40 PM

Wow, must be time to sign off. I almost confused Hellomynameis with JF. Sorry guys.

Out till later.

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:42 PM

Stuck up in Galesburg. Wanted to go home, but the weather had other ideas. Just finished running on the treadmill and remembered a Taco Bell up the road. Snowing pretty good so I needed to drive, but another trucker decided to block me in. Guess I'm walking. ******. Ticked off about not seeing my kid for a full week. Annoyed about how work is...work. Angry about having to walk through the snow when that other trucker could've backed up another five feet and NOT blocked me in.

Make the 1/4 mile trek and looking a little like frosty. Hit the front door to a group of college kids. Giggling and carrying on. UGH!

I get in line and focus on the menu board because I don't want to incite a conversation with the overly cheery crowd. One kid is playing that "Drop your money on the level in water" game. Those games that get you a free deal from the establishment. Food, drink, slap on the butt, but you never see anyone win. Whatever.

He is focused on it. I mean face RIGHT up to the glass. Studying it. Measuring his shot. And POW! He makes it. He can hardly contain his excitment. "I won!"

Skinny kid. Coke bottle glasses. Looks like he still lives with mom. The rest of the group congragulate him and he receives his prize. Twisty ties. That sugary dessert TBell is known for.

I'm thinking to myself "Whoopie!" Grab my food start heading to get my drink and bump into a girl at the fountian. I say "Sorry." Not really meaning it, just get out of my way and let me eat in peace. She turns to me and has a blank stare, but a smile. I then realize that the whole group is blind!

"No, I'm sorry." She says. With that smile still beaming.

Long story short, they are a college team from Iowa plays Glow Ball. A game for the blind, or extreme hard of sight. They are on their way to a Tourney in Louisville and all of them were excited to get out and play.

My juant back to the hotel was a little more chipper.

See what happens when you take walk in the snow.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:47 PM

That's a great one, too, fajar.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:49 PM

See you on the flipside.

-- Posted by yasgurfarm on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:49 PM

Sorry about the long post earlier, but it was something I had to write about.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:54 PM

Bubble, bubble...blurp. He came. He saw. He...ah, er...lost his groceries with all the Bravo Sierra he saw floating in the bog, and opted to bug out (back on duty, that is).

DOWN PERISCOPE!!! DIVE!

blub

DIVE!

blub

DIVE!!

blub

Rig for Bog NAV & Night Running! Say, might be a good night for blanket parties, or at least a well-conducted Rat Race for those who desperately deserve it. S-Bethie! Report to Con with your Whips, ASAP!! Then rig for Silent Running...we'll sneak up on the unsuspecting buggers, and put one up their fantails!!! That'll be all. CARRY ON!!! Oh, & Burma Shave!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 9:55 PM

Pups & Melange: I almost forgot. The advice you gave me on how to fight off the Web(monster) abduction problem seems to work out pretty well, especially clicking on the "refresh" thingy. Thanks.

Better clear the line for case calls. This ole grunt's too cheap to urp-up for a dedicated phone line! Herr out.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 10:09 PM

Hellomynameis,

Before I sigh off, I forgot to ask you something. I would actually like you thoughts on the following article. Is it that they don't support McCain, or is it one of those vote for the other guy, so our guy can win in the actual? Will check back in tomorrow for your reply if you leave one. Again, have a great night.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23394070

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 10:14 PM

Herr Hauptmann, DES,

You are welcome. Oh and did you have a chance to check into CallWave? It helps in that it works as an answering machine, caller ID, and you don't have to get a seperate line.

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 10:17 PM

Pups, first of all, let me say "I like you". Granted you are a self proclaimed liberal, (which is one of the things that makes America such a great country) but you seem to be very level headed and willing to listen to both sides of the debate.

I am a conservative first, not a Republican. With that being said, I have two choices.

1. I can "jump ship" and vote for a third party candidate or

2. I can attempt to change the Party into what it should be; a Party of limited government, state's rights, and individual freedoms.

I choose (at least for the time being) number two.

Now, on to the article. Not really sure what is happening but I wonder if the same thing is occurring with Democrats voting for McCain? At best, he is a moderate and I would think he would have some appeal to some of your more conservative southern Democrats.

Your thoughts?

-- Posted by Hellomynameis on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 10:28 PM

fajar, Great story - thanks for sharing. I had never heard of Glow Ball. With all the snow, I hope they have a safe trip.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 10:49 PM

From yesterday

Just have to remember, PUPS: Lefty loosey, Righty tighty...except some things made in foreign countries. ;-)

IMO, if some Republicans decide to vote for the "guy" they think McCain (since obviously he will be the Republican winner) would be most likely to beat, they would be voting for Clinton.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 11:03 PM

DickCheney,

I never heard of it too. But I saw something on Discovery Chnnl about it. Like soccer, but the ball emits a beeping. What I gathered from the coach, it's pretty full contact. Not on purpose, but you get these kids running towards a sound and BAM!

Kind of made my night.

Thanks for the positive review.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 11:32 PM

mildmannered

McCain Says Citizenship a Dead Issue

By LIBBY QUAID -- 2 hours ago

(exerpted)

Missouri Sen. Claire McCaskill, a prominent backer of Democratic candidate Sen. Barack Obama, introduced legislation Thursday that would define a "natural-born citizen" as anyone born to any U.S. citizen while serving in the active or reserve components of the U.S. armed forces. Obama's campaign announced late Thursday that he will co-sponsor the bill.

"Those who serve and sacrifice for their country, like John McCain and his father, deserve every honor and privilege that our nation can possibly provide, and that includes the ability to run for the highest office in the land," Obama said in a statement.

Associated Press writer Sam Hananel in Washington contributed to this report.

-- Posted by conservababe on Thu, Feb 28, 2008, at 11:38 PM

Why are American taxpayers funding the Iraqi elections? They have oil. They have billions of "Paul Bremer's dollars on a pallet," so, why are Americans paying the bill?

Some of those who chirp in with Rod Jetton about "lazy Missourians" sure don't mind wasting my tax dollars on an illegal war in Iraq, and, now, paying for their elections.

"There are already questions about whether the provincial governments will be ready to hold elections in October. The United States and its allies will have to move quickly to provide both funding and technical help."

-- Posted by Brill on Fri, Feb 29, 2008, at 12:07 AM

fajar154,

You are a marvelous story teller, felt like I was experiencing the adventure with you! Thanks for sharing how your perspective changed! Be careful out there, certain the Mrs. Fajar and Tot Fajar wants daddy home safely! (Forum buddies do too!)

Herr,

Glad the tips helped. While logged IN, the refresher "thingy "works well to see the "latest greatest" post too. hehe (btw... Just loves your post, so glad some have the courage to step outside the box, I am a bit too shy to express my flirtatious tendency in a public forum.)

Oh, this reader thinks we have some budding writers in this forum.

Hellomyname,

This was an impressive, interesting metaphor "rejected like a mismatched liver transplant by the body of the Iraqi insurgency".

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Feb 29, 2008, at 5:05 AM

Hellomynameis,

My first thoughts were initially smart *** one's. Such as, maybe the people of Texas were finally seeing the light and joining the side of right. But, that was only a dream. LMAO

I actually was concerned that the ones switching their votes over to Obama or Clinton were doing it because they felt the one they were voting for would lose to McCain. But, with more thought, it could be that they just don't like the idea of McCain. And, yes I believe you are right, there are Democrats not happy with their choices, and are voteing for McCain in the General Election.

I think it will be interesting how this up coming election turns out if people actually cross party lines with their votes. I am thinking it would be an election of who the majority want, rather then a Red vs Blue election again. I know, it might just be the "pollyanna" in me, but would love to see voting for who someone can support rather then just Red vs Blue.

Not sure my thoughts clarified anything, but there it is. LOL Oh and thank you, yes I do try to see both sides. Not that I change my side, but it does give me knowledge into the other's side of an issue.

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Feb 29, 2008, at 9:15 AM

Pups: What is this????

My first thoughts were initially smart *** one's. Such as, maybe the people of Texas were finally seeing the light and joining the side of right. But, that was only a dream. LMAO

My fellow Texans aren't blind my friend, we are Republicans.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Fri, Feb 29, 2008, at 9:57 PM

Aggie,

Glad you made it back safely. And only razzing Hellomynameis.

I lived in Texas for 5 years when a kid, do I still get to claim to be Texan??? LOL

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Feb 29, 2008, at 10:52 PM


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