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Tuesday, February 19, 2008

A good job

I'D LIKE to thank all the AmerenUE people for getting all the lines up. We really appreciate it. They did a good job.

A million thanks

TO AMEREN: Thank you a million times. We here on Sharon Drive in Cape Girardeau appreciate you guys being out there in the cold weather and the ice fixing our power lines. Thank you.

Wonderful feeling

I AM here from Illinois with the Eastern Illinois University basketball team for the women. I heard that you had a horrible ice storm and I see the remains of it. The trees are beautiful, but I want to give kudos to the people who cleaned up parking lots and the streets. You did a great job. It's a wonderful feeling to come through here and see that your crews have been so busy and did such a good job.

Ordinary heroes

MY HUSBAND and I would to thank all those who worked long hours in the cold, night and day, to make things better for the rest of us. Also, to everyone who showed any acts of kindness to others, helping where they could. Heroes are ordinary people who step up in bad situations. So we thank you and God bless.

Middle-aged spending

THE YOUTHS in America are the most targeted segment of the population: MP3s, iPods, PCs, DVDs, Hollywood, Nashville, rock and pop, dance mix, hip hop and rap, designer fashions, cosmetics, automobiles, sports and food, liquor, electronics. Each has a limited budget, but all spend most of their money. Why isn't more research done to develop goods and services that the middle-aged to mature consumers would purchase and enjoy? By middle age, most people have their home and furnishings, maintenance equipment, vehicle and a savings account and investments. Maybe they would still purchase quality goods that would be investments? If it were common knowledge that a used Mercedes, Volvo, Jaguar or BMW was a fine, high-quality, high-performance luxury investment that appreciates in value, this age group would certainly make purchases. Likewise, collecting is becoming popular. Works of art, guns, motorcycles, antiques, automobiles, musical instruments are all escalating in value. In the last 40 years we've had fivefold increase in the inflation. In the next 40 years inflation will be even higher. Also, at middle age people may be more apt to have a larger salary.

No backup generator

THE SALVATION Army -- what a wonderful organization. With so much dependence placed on them along with the Red Cross and National Guard if necessary, I was surprised to hear that they don't have a backup generator to run their facility when the power goes out.

Model for FEMA

AS I passed the Osage Community Centre a few hours after the ice storm hit, I saw a parking lot of full of Ameren trucks along with other support teams. I was quite impressed. My immediate thought was "Oh, if FEMA could only see this." You did a heck of a job, Ameren.

Parental direction

THE SHOOTINGS like in DeKalb, Ill., and other places don't just happen. As parents, we have a responsibility. If your child is mentally unstable, you don't let them be around guns. You don't encourage them to go into law enforcement. If your child is unclean, you don't put him around fast-food service. It's hard in America when there's so much pressure to succeed. Maybe taxpayers should be a little nicer about supporting disabilities and kids who can't quite make it.


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I'm glad to see all of these warm and fuzzy feelings toward Ameren. I bet you all won't feel so warm and fuzzy when Ameren hits us with a huge rate hike like they did in Illinois. You all do realize that we will be paying for Ameren's Taum Sauk Reservoir liability through higher rates.

-- Posted by josiah_folger on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 6:13 AM

josiah, would it be better if we were bitter and complained while utility workers tried to repair our lines, working from their lift trucks on cold, icy, windy days? Citizens provides our electricity and I'd like to thank them for all the work they did following the storm.

-- Posted by stevmo on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 7:42 AM

Pups

I caught your post from yesterday regarding Newt Gingrich and just had to respond today. I will always respect the work of him and the 104th congress. It brought in Republican control after forty years with new and maverick congressmen who were ready to work. And that they did, most not going home for the full 100 days and nights of the first session. Sure, there were disgruntled old status quo Republicans who were so used to being the underdogs in the good old boy system that had evolved. And Democrats were simply beside themselves. If nothing else I will be grateful for them getting signed into law that congress must not be exempted from the laws they pass, welfare is not an entitlement and members must be present to vote. When you think that fully sixty percent of the following promises were kept, it was a good job done......

On the first day of the 104th Congress, the new Republican majority will immediately pass the following major reforms, aimed at restoring the faith and trust of the American people in their government:

FIRST, require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply equally to the Congress;

SECOND, select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;

THIRD, cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;

FOURTH, limit the terms of all committee chairs;

FIFTH, ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;

SIXTH, require committee meetings to be open to the public;

SEVENTH, require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;

EIGHTH, guarantee an honest accounting of our Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.

Thereafter, within the first 100 days of the 104th Congress, we shall bring to the House Floor the following bills, each to be given full and open debate, each to be given a clear and fair vote and each to be immediately available this day for public inspection and scrutiny.

1. THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT: A balanced budget/tax limitation amendment and a legislative line-item veto to restore fiscal responsibility to an out- of-control Congress, requiring them to live under the same budget constraints as families and businesses. (Bill Text) (Description)

2. THE TAKING BACK OUR STREETS ACT: An anti-crime package including stronger truth-in- sentencing, "good faith" exclusionary rule exemptions, effective death penalty provisions, and cuts in social spending from this summer's "crime" bill to fund prison construction and additional law enforcement to keep people secure in their neighborhoods and kids safe in their schools. (Bill Text) (Description)

3. THE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT: Discourage illegitimacy and teen pregnancy by prohibiting welfare to minor mothers and denying increased AFDC for additional children while on welfare, cut spending for welfare programs, and enact a tough two-years-and-out provision with work requirements to promote individual responsibility. (Bill Text) (Description)

4. THE FAMILY REINFORCEMENT ACT: Child support enforcement, tax incentives for adoption, strengthening rights of parents in their children's education, stronger child pornography laws, and an elderly dependent care tax credit to reinforce the central role of families in American society. (Bill Text) (Description)

5. THE AMERICAN DREAM RESTORATION ACT: A S500 per child tax credit, begin repeal of the marriage tax penalty, and creation of American Dream Savings Accounts to provide middle class tax relief. (Bill Text) (Description)

6. THE NATIONAL SECURITY RESTORATION ACT: No U.S. troops under U.N. command and restoration of the essential parts of our national security funding to strengthen our national defense and maintain our credibility around the world. (Bill Text) (Description)

7. THE SENIOR CITIZENS FAIRNESS ACT: Raise the Social Security earnings limit which currently forces seniors out of the work force, repeal the 1993 tax hikes on Social Security benefits and provide tax incentives for private long-term care insurance to let Older Americans keep more of what they have earned over the years. (Bill Text) (Description)

8. THE JOB CREATION AND WAGE ENHANCEMENT ACT: Small business incentives, capital gains cut and indexation, neutral cost recovery, risk assessment/cost-benefit analysis, strengthening the Regulatory Flexibility Act and unfunded mandate reform to create jobs and raise worker wages. (Bill Text) (Description)

9. THE COMMON SENSE LEGAL REFORM ACT: "Loser pays" laws, reasonable limits on punitive damages and reform of product liability laws to stem the endless tide of litigation. (Bill Text) (Description)

10. THE CITIZEN LEGISLATURE ACT: A first-ever vote on term limits to replace career politicians with citizen legislators.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 8:14 AM

re backup generator

I would think the Salvation Army would have one also since they take so many meals to the Red Cross centers and other facilities during a disaster along with the Baptists Disaster teams. I think both are under appreciated.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 8:21 AM

Middle aged spending,

All those items listed are not just targeted at youths. Many are also enjoyed by middle aged and older people.

You are not watching the right advertisments if you do not see anything aimed at middle aged consumers. People doing advertising know who has the money. Watch a golf tournament on Sunday afternoon and tell me who the target audience is.

-- Posted by SWBG on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 9:01 AM

Ordinary heroes,

Pretty cool to see those of the community come together and lend a helping hand during and after the ice storm.

Nice that the Southeast Missouri area didn't succomb to the New Orleans type of playing the victim during a natural disaster. I know I'm compairing apples to oranges on the degree of distruction. But not once have I heard anyone screaming for a handout much less shooting at the First Responders, like those in Sin City did.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 9:05 AM

Babe,

I was just razzing you last night. I know how you feel about the 104th. I just thought I would stir the pot so to speak because it was a quiet day. Though I will say, I guess it's too bad that the Republican Congress between 2000 election and the 2006 election did alot to damage the good that the 104th created. In my humble opinion mind you.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 9:12 AM

Sorry "Sin City" as we all know is Vegas. I got confused with the "Big Easy."

Pardon the misup.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 9:19 AM

I have a question for those with far superior knowledge of politics and finance then mine.

What would be the financial benifit for the U.S. if we were to say suspend all foriegn aid monies for one or two years? Kind of like when the average person tightens their financial belt when money is tight and does away with say family vacation for example. Taking out the humanitarian aspect for discussion purposes. Would the monies saved help us or hurt us?

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 9:36 AM

Beware...City workers are using "heavy equipment" to remove tree trash from curbs. (Taking grass etc along with.)

Fortunately, I was able to talk the workers into allowing me to help move neighbors stuff (piled on my landscaping) into the street by hand.

Thank you kind city workers! (Only took us about a minute longer, if that, but saved me the energy and money of replacing my landscaping.)

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 9:44 AM

fajar

Your post about Sin City irritated me some this morning and I would like to respond. These people, especially in the eighth ward, were true victims of a city that had no disaster plan, a governor who was too stubborn to call in the Guard, no designated Red Cross shelters, a FEMA organization that was too timid to go into the area and a corrupt police department. It was learned later, after the media frenzy, that reports of snipers were simply untrue. Contrary to your opinion there were hundreds of citizen heroes during those days. Did you forget seeing the people desperately trying to get to the convention center and floating their children and elderly on air mattresses? Did you forget the people, some unknown to them, who pulled people out of rising water? Did you forget the people who shared their food and water with others? I would be willing to bet that if YOU had been sitting on a bridge for three days and still had no relief from hunger or thirst, you would be demanding, too. Yes, I've heard all the survival prisses who pat themselves on the back for 'being prepared' for anything and I'll ask them what good their preparations would be under twelve feet of water in a few hours. I will always give kudos to the Salvation Army and The Baptist Disaster teams that set-up in New Orleans before any government agency would.

So there...my rant!

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 9:44 AM

Pups

Foreign aid makes up less than one percent of our federal budget.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 9:49 AM

Pups

Waste and fraud make up 1/3 of the federal budget.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 9:53 AM

Babe,

I'm aware that foriegn aid is a small part of the budget. It was kind of a starting point. I would think even saving 1 percent of the budget would be helpful in areas such as Social Security or other programs. Like I said, my knowledge in the area is limited and was curious on other's thoughts.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 9:54 AM

Lib,

Yeah and unfortunately those in charge of correcting that waiste and fraud are themselves wasteful and fraudulant. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 9:56 AM

Pups,

I do not have the knowledge to answer that question but let us take a stab.

1. Let's say we stop giving aid to Isreal (I am assuming we give them aid). What could the consequences of this be? It would not take much of an imagination to come upe with scenarios which would be more costly in the long run.

2. Remember that thing called the "War on Drugs". I still think we send lots of money to these South and Central American countries to fight this effort (you can argue to futility of such however and I cannot disagree).

Found this interesting website for you to look at

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organizat...

It seems in theory to be nice just to tighten our belt, so to speak, and get back on track. We would likely experience much unrest world wide. Better to do it more slowly? I do not know.

-- Posted by SWBG on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 9:57 AM

Foreign affairs 2007 Federal Budget

Approximately 1 % ...$32.5 billion (+15.4% from 2006) - Nice hunk of change to begin with, don't ya think?

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 9:58 AM

Pups

I agree with librule. Fix that 1/3 of the budget and you won't need to worry about less than one percent.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 9:58 AM

Short Baldy,

Good point...cutting back is not always as easy as it sounds, consequences to every choice.

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 10:00 AM

What!did I read that statement correctly?

NOAA Weather has issued a weather advisory about a potential storm not unlike the last to hit here after midnight Wed.

I sure hope NOAA is wrong!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 10:14 AM

SWBG,

Thanks for the info.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 10:20 AM

conservababe,

Here is a lob to your rant. Spoken like a true blaim someone elser. Lets take in account that we are the "Land of the free and home of brave always wanting more from Big Brother from Cradle to Grave." That is my whole point.

I just want to ask you, if someone said a truck was going to crash in your house at noon today and there was a **** thing you could do to stop it, would you hole up inside your house or get as far away as possible?

You have prior notification. Leave. Get out. Your health is more important than STUFF. These people had 24-48 hours notice. I can be 200 miles away in TWO hours. "But where would they stay?" You can camp. Become the bums to society that you are to the government.

Lets not forget how pathetic they looked when there was no one there to help the next day. I was there in six days and I have more respect for dirt poor Iraqis than I do New Orlinains. Gimme, gimme, gimme. No thank yous. Just where have you been or you need to hurry up with food and water.

This was easily solved by doing one simple thing. LEAVE!

Now, this does not include everyone from the Bayou area during Katrina in 2005. There were events that made leaving unavoidable. I saw them. But using the excuse "No was there to help us." Is crap. I saw the parkinglot of 50 submerged schoolbuses. Smelled the lovely smell of diesel fuel and feces. Walked through the muck and crap and took pot shots on two occasions. So if the media discounted that, I guess I should come to believe that it never happened to me.

Those who choose to live under the thumb of the government have a hard time standing up.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 10:21 AM

Geeze. That danged "global warming" caught us flat-footed again at our HQ...or, as the "Master Mule" would call it, people barn! I figured if that so-called big snow a few weeks ago was the best that ole hag, Dog Nature, could throw at us, then we're home free. Well, I spent the better part of two days pix-axing a trail down a long, steep driveway covered with 3-4 inches of solid ice...even wearing steel-spiked golf shoes didn't help keep me from sliding right down the hill! It was some fun, at the expense of various back/muscle pains!! Heck, we're still mopping up from our recovery ops, and still have eight rabbit cages spred out in the house. Even so, my mule seems OK with that!

I thought my computer was one of the casualties of the power outages, and got fried out of commission; however, it turned out my IP had decided it was a nice time to change their dial-up number! Anyone else blessed with that little annoyance? Looks like I didn't miss much in the news and chatter though, other than bunches of ice stories and that SSgt Skelton's memorial events went very nicely. Wish I could have made it to one of them. And it was good to hear those scum-bag anti-military freaks didn't show up to protest. Some of the more fun-loving folks at D.E.S. were just itching to get in a little "extracurricular interdiction" action! But so glad everything went so well.

Pupslover: Per your question about suspending foreign aid for a couple of years...been there, tried that quite a few moons ago. I bugged my Fed elected officals to do just that! Didn't get a peep in responce. Perhaps you could try that move again, now that the new gal, Sen. McCaskill, is in the playpen. That'll be all for now. Herr out.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 10:37 AM

fajar wrote,

Those who choose to live under the thumb of the government have a hard time standing up.

Absolutely right. However it is OK to have compassion and nothing wrong with a compassionate government coming to the aid of its people.

-- Posted by SWBG on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 10:49 AM

Herr Hauptmann, DES,

Kind of knew my idea wouldn't fly with elected officials. And as much as I would like to think someone I voted for would actually listen to me, I'm not quite that naive. LOL

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 10:51 AM

short white bald guy,

I not saying compassion is a bad thing. I firmly believe in helping those who are in need. I'm guy who helped a motorist last week with a flat tire only to get one myself five miles down the road.

Did I complain when no one stopped to help me? No. I just find it funny AND a little ironic.

This whole thing started off as a compairison b/w our bad luck and how we deal with it as opposed to how other communities deal with their's. Our mindset in the SEMO area is thanks for the help, but we got it from here. New Orleans was not as self reliant. Just a tad dependent.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 11:01 AM

fajar

What you forget is that the hurricane did not do the damage in New Orleans. It was the failed pumps that caused the waters to rise an inch a minute. (I have wondered how the family at Tom Saulk disaster felt as I'm

sure they had adequate survival supplies)Leave? How? You are assuming most had vehicles such as yourself. Mayor Nagan did not order those school busses out because they had no bathrooms and also turned down Amtrak's offer to take people as they pulled trains out of the station. What would you have people do, fajar, STEAL the school and city busses? Oh, one young man did and got a group to Houston, where he was promptly arrested.

So you weren't THANKED? So freakin' what! I've done many jobs where I wasn't thanked.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 11:12 AM

conservababe,

I see now why you took a break from the forum. Listen lady...point is people who rely on the government have a hard time taking care of themselves when times are easy and are shocked when they can't come to their aid when the world falls apart.

The people in this area handle things differently. We have an attitude that really does say, "Is that all you got?"

Not getting thanked. If that was the crux of your retort then boy, you got me.

Babe, thank you for annoying me today. I already had a Monday, but how about another.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 11:30 AM

fajar

And just one more response to you will I allow myself because I am getting hot under the collar.

You keep talking of the "mind set" of the people of New Orleans to depend on others as if that is demeaning. Well, there is a reason for that "mind set". Louisiana has an emergency system (civil service)that is far superior than most states. ALL know their DESIGNATED center for disaster alerts and expect to be provided transportation out of the area if necessary. Do most, here in Missouri, know theirs? No, because it is a fly by the seat of your pants response. These people were trying to get to their centers that they had gone to many times of hurricane warnings. It was not the fault of these people that Mayor Nagal and the corrupt city fathers let them down by not implementing these procedures even though they received the funding.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 11:37 AM

New Orleans was nothing more then a corrupt welfare City.It was never prepared for an event like Katrina although everyone who knows anything about Geography knew that when you live below sea level this could happen!I am amazed at how many people want to rebuild those areas affected by floods.

Remember folks,it was not the hurricane forced winds that caused the destruction as much as it was water!In my opinion Katrina was an eye opener and most of the good people who were displaced by its wrath are better off now then they were.I bet this won't be a popular post either.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 11:41 AM

So if big tornadoes or, god forbid, a major earthquake hit this area and destroyed many homes and lives....it would be okay to tell the victims, "You are on your own, you idiot for living in Southeast Missouri!"?

-- Posted by allen6177 on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 11:59 AM

Greywolf

LOL...yes, Nawleans has had people returning and rebuilding at a record pace considering the magnitude of the disaster. It is a centuries old city, after all, and an important port. It is home.

Where would you have the people go? Surely not out west with earthquakes and wildfires.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 12:00 PM

conservababe

Good chat. Throw an icepack under your collar to cool down.

GREYWOLF

My point exactly. Problem is the people who voted for what they can get for free (welfare) voted for that corrupt Mayor and his cronies. And you see what you get. The buses didn't have toilets so that's why they weren't used. Life and limb, a five gallon bucket up by the front makes a suitable stall.

But that's thinking outside the box.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 12:01 PM

I won't defend my statement because its the truth!Period.Anyone who thinks that building neighborhoods below sea level and in a City that in 100 years or so probably won't exist, is the same as bulding in an area where a tornado my hit is ridiculous.There is NO place in this country that is immune to tornado's.There is also very few places where a earhtquake won't occur.Many of the displaced citizens who have been moved to other parts of the Country including in our

area are much better off then they were as well as working and not depending on my tax dollars for survival.Yes,Babe New orleans is a port but boats are not affected by flood waters are they.Neighborhoods on the other hand certainly are.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 12:11 PM

Allen6177,

Fyi,I have lived through a bad earthqauke in California and I assure you that you are on your own for quite sometime!If the big one hits here again you will then understand what I am talking about.By the way,this area is not a welfare state like New Orleans is and was.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 12:19 PM

allen6177,

Yes Allen. After a big tornado or earthquake hits SE Missouri, I will personally come to your house/rubble and say that "You are on your own, you idiot for living in Southeast Missouri!"

But you will probaly have a hammer in hand and doing something about it. Not sitting around like a begger. Wanting, wishing, waiting for someone else to help.

Take care of yours first, then help will be the way.

Rule of thumb, prep for staying solo for at least 72 hours a disater hits. Food, water, shelter for you and family until help arrives or until looters come and try to steal your stuff because flat panel TVS are edible.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 12:21 PM

Allen6177,

Fyi,I have lived through a bad earthqauke in California and I assure you that you are on your own for quite sometime!If the big one hits here again you will then understand what I am talking about.By the way,this area is not a welfare state like New Orleans is and was.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 12:23 PM

Greywolf

When you live in an area that has to bury it's deceased above ground because of the water table, living below sea level is not that complicated. New Orleans would have survived just fine if the pumps had held, as they have for centuries. Here in Missouri we have the danger of big floods such as '93. New Orleans is safe from that because of their system of dispersal of waters in the Atchafalaya basin in south Louisiana. I think it is simplistic to state that those living below sea level should move.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 12:23 PM

Greywolf,

I wasn't asking you to defend your comments, or even totally disagreeing with you. I get frustrated at times, too, seeing people who are totally dependent on the government. I just have a hard time believing that everyone in New Orleans fits that description. It just sounds like a lot of people say that because a natural disaster hits an area, people shouldnt rebuild. I am sure that some people in New Orleans were awakened by the flood and have sinced moved to better lives. I respect your opinion..but this is mine. Rambling nonsense as this post may be lol.

-- Posted by allen6177 on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 12:24 PM

fajar154,

And to think...all because you were paying our community a compliment. Hope your day gets better!

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 12:25 PM

They should never have rebuilt San Fransisco?

-- Posted by allen6177 on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 12:26 PM

mary_jo

I will tell you to your face that I have reported you for your personal attack.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 12:26 PM

I worked in a hospital when the professor at Semo (forget his name) predicted that a major earthquake would hit here on a certain day. Oh my, he created a frenzy, some folks will remember. Everyone stocked up barrels of supplies. Anyway, about fifty percent of the workers in the hospital that I talked with admitted that they would call in sick to be with their families. Even anesthesia department cancelled all surgeries and were prepared to stay home out of pure fear.

Let's hope yall can survive for days without any help because you won't get much here. And let's hope your barrels of supplies and survival equipment doesn't get crushed.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 12:43 PM

Allen,your probably right.San Francisco will someday soon be dealing with another big quake that will possibly destroy most of its infrastructure and bridges and kill thousands.Its funny how we humans don't learn from our mistakes.

Babe,you said"I think it is simplistic to state that those living below sea level should move".

I don't!!I realize you are from or at least lived in the fine State of Louisiana.I am not degrading the State but New Orleans has been a corrupt City for as you put it,Centuries.That is a well known fact.As for pumps protecting them from floods,frankly I would not want to depend on a man made device that can and will fail for my survival.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 12:45 PM

melange

The poster compared our efforts here with Nawleans and I could not let those people be denigrated.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 12:45 PM

Greywolf

Well, your life now depends on the government's inspection of dams and whether they catch the faults or not.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 12:47 PM

Babe,I remember in 1990 Ivan Brown predicted a major event here on the New Madrid fault line.I also remember a 5.3 quake occuring that same year although not on the day he predicted.I may have his name wrong but I don't think he was from this area.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 12:49 PM

Well,

Seems as though things are picking up. We only have a couple days of mean spiritedness before the next ice storm can pull us all back together.

fajar,

I do not think that SEMO is any more unique in pullng together than any other community. There are pockets of the welfare state going strong around here. Just drive down to the Bootheel and notice the poverty. In the event of a natural disaster I think there are several communities in our area that would be as ill prepared as those poor sections of New Orleans during the hurricane.

That being said the whole global warming thing is screwing us up anyways. 70's and tornados one week, ice storms the next. I'm ready for spring so we can get another big freeze.

-- Posted by SWBG on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 12:49 PM

Grey,

It was Iben Browning. The professor at SEMO (David Stewart?) was validating some of Browning's predictions and I think later was laughed out of the university. I also recall the earthquake registering a 4.6.

-- Posted by SWBG on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 12:53 PM

Conservababe,

How is it denigration when it is the truth?

-- Posted by fajar154 on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 1:01 PM

Truth is in the eye of the beholder...or is that beauty?

-- Posted by SWBG on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 1:03 PM

allen6177: The 1906 San Francisco earthquake pretty much destroyed the city. It was volunteers with private funds that rebuilt the city. Same as with Chicago after the "Great Fire".

Times have changed: If a major earthquake happens here, we will not only have to recover from its ill effects, but overcome government interference as well.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 1:15 PM

If a major earthquake happens out here in the hills, our first priority would be to find a place to hide our guns from the National Guard. New Orleans has taught us a thing or two.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 2:08 PM

My debate is not whether the government shoulda or coulda done more or less for the people of any disaster. The point that I tried to make was that the PEOPLE who were the victims should not be critized because they had faith in a system of emergency evacuation that had worked for years previously.

AND...I tire of sanctimonious folks here talking of New Orleans as though it is the pit of debauchery just from seeing Mardi Gras coverage or heading for Bourbon Street to party hardy. I would be willing to bet there are more strip joints hidden in cornfields in this area than you could find on Bourbon Street. New Orleans is a centries old city; home to professionals and blue collar workers. Their welfare rolls are actually no higher than St Louis, actually.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 2:11 PM

James Nall

So you remember the reports of the door to door searches to recover legally held arms, too, it seems. It took years for some of those folks to recover them.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 2:15 PM

Daaaay um' that's some SNARKY Talk! Bwuahahahaha! Woops, Gotta go stick some blue tubs up someones Kazoo. LIBERMULE! HEE-HAW! SNARK, SNARK, SNARK!

-- Posted by Just_Me_and_My_Opinion. on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 2:20 PM

Babe,

Forgive me if I recall incorrectly, but wasn't there a "manditory" evacuation after Katrina hit? Following that line of thought...those who refused to leave were criminals...thus gun seizures were not illegal.

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 2:31 PM

Good point Melange. Additionally, Law Enforcement was also part of the problem. Let's face it, the city of N.O. was in utter chaos. It would have been pretty difficult to tell the good guys from the bad guys at that point.

-- Posted by Marvgard on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 2:35 PM

I believe litigation proved that the seizures were not legal and the seized weapons were ordered to be returned.

-- Posted by D'oh on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 2:40 PM

melange

Mandatory evacuation? There is no such thing, really. Anyone can stay if they choose. In this case there was no rescue effort. Anyway, no, it was not as you described. Most who had their guns confiscated were legally armed in their own homes.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 2:42 PM

Gotya! *wink*

-- Posted by Mr_Fruity_Flapjacks on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 2:46 PM

The vast majority of the seized guns have yet to be returned to the citizens as ordered by the court and in all likelyhood they never will be.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 2:47 PM

I'm thinking, guns will be the last thing on most minds if we ever experience an earthquake the magnitude of the New Madrid Earthquake, February 7, 1812. I saw a documentary last year on this event...startling and very scary! Back then, not nearly the "stuff" to damage either.

fyi...It has been claimed to be the first federal disaster relief incident.

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 2:50 PM

conservababe

True, but I was just giving this part of the world a little pat on the back because we didn't freakout when the ice came. As opposed to another portion of our country who did when those pumps, that have working for "centuries", failed.

My arguement, in which you railroaded and made it into something else(in fact your pretty good at doing that), was that the Gov or New Orleans created this dependancy by the people and look what happened to them. Look how Big Brother took care of them. Left them high and not-so-dry. Left them to fend for themselves. Abandoned them. Instead of giving people what they needed. Inspiration. Leadership. Swift, final, decisive decisions. The people got the blame game.So, why did (Re)Naggen get elected? After it was HIS and the GOV's failure. How are the people not ingrained and indoctrinated to think that cradle to grave democracy has benefits?

As one of these "sanctimonious folks" I guess that I have been guilty of celebrating Mardi Gras too much.

How's the collar?

-- Posted by fajar154 on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 2:51 PM

babe,

Wasn't law enforcement instructed to "forceably" remove folks that would not leave...because it was not safe to stay? I think that kind of defines "mandatory evacuation".

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 2:52 PM

Guten tag, PUPS. I've also wondered, and still don't understand, how actually suspending or eliminating the foreign aid would hurt America. This evening I'll try to find my partial list of countries that we send aid to, including those who harbor terrorists.

As for fighting the war on drugs or AIDS in foreign countries...maybe better to put that money into fighting such things here--especially in view of the fact that news reports have come out citing how most of that money has been used fraudulently?

I guess I still believe in "Charity begins at home," when it comes to what America can or cannot afford. Would stopping foreign aid cause other countries to dislike us? Hmm, seems many (most?) already do, viewing America as wanting to control the whole world.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 2:56 PM

Get ready to pay at the Pump! Oil prices just shot up over $100 a barrel. Even with the refinery explosion and OPECs threat to cut production, sources still can't figure out why prices are sky rocketing. Oh doom and gloom.

-- Posted by Marvgard on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 2:56 PM

SWBG..

You are absolutely right.Its obvious to me my mind is going fast.Your memmory seems to be working great.At least I was close.It was 1990 wasn't it?

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 2:58 PM

gurusmom, good points since we gave millions of dollars to President Pervez Musharraf, and he's about two weeks away from being ousted.

-- Posted by Marvgard on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 2:59 PM

KJT,

Well now, that is interesting, isn't it? I have not followed the "gun" issue, but to me...don't quite understand the arguement of "illegal seizure" when these folks did not follow law enforcements instruction?

Believe you have a bit of background that would help us to understand both sides of the issue...care to share your thoughts on why the seizures were deemed illegal?

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 2:59 PM

KJT: You are correct, the courts ruled that the seizures were illegal and had to be stopped. The seazures were in fact illegal contrary to what any statist may claim. A Democrat judge actually upheld the Constitution of the US against seazures made by those who swore to defend same. No order shall be obeyed that runs contrary to the Constitution. The National Guardsmen were breaking the law.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 3:01 PM

melange

Guns should be the first thing you think about in event of a disaster. You would need to protect yourself and your property from looters. And yes, there were reports of looters in this area after the ice storm. Also reports of customers being hostile to line workers demanding their power be turned on first. SE Missouri is not as polite as some pollyannas think.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 3:02 PM

melange

By your logic, the government had the right to seize their homes, cars, clothes, furniture and every other piece of private property that they owned.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 3:02 PM

librule,

Well now...brings us to another good point...does anyone, including law enforcement have the right to instruct you to leave your home? (even if it is dangerous)

Not really siding here, just looking at all the perspectives.

Babe, truly if you had seen that documentary...guns or looting will be the last thing on anyone's mind. It was awful! Cracked earth, river running backwards, many sandblows... and now, we will have gas lines bursting, power lines down, fires, explosions, more stuff to crumble... (talk about doom and gloom)

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 3:12 PM

melange

As you have told me several times to educate myself on a topic, I will give you one to research....posse comitatus.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 3:14 PM

What is commonly referred to as "Katrina" legislation has been passed not only in Missouri but many other states across the US. This law prohibits state and local governments from confiscating weapons from law abiding citizens during times of natural or man-made disasters.

These situations are when you truly do need a means by which to defend your family.

Taking guns from the hands of law abiding citizens is just plain stupid.

-- Posted by Hellomynameis on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 3:14 PM

Winter Storm Watch issued for Thursday.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 3:16 PM

Conservababe. As with ANY law there are exclusions and limitations. But basically, I do agree with you that the Right to Keep and Bear Arms should always be upheld

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 3:25 PM

babe,

Excuse me! I clearly stated I was not well informed on this particular "gun" topic. The conversation and questions I posed do not require more "education"; nor do I feel it necessary to take a hard-line position on this issue.

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 3:28 PM

conservababe

Roman, latin actually, which loosely translates to the Active Army cannot stand on or hold ground in a military manner. Such as the Government can't use the military as a police force.

IE Olympics in Salt Lake. Security was National Guard.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 3:30 PM

melange

Don't you love when your topics get skewed and railroaded? Time to go hit the heavybag for an hour.

Bring on the ice! Will go well with the bottle of Crown.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 3:34 PM

I know for a fact that we are in line behind a whole slew of cities if and when the big earthquake hits. Be prepared to survive for 2 weeks or more as there will be no roads to bring trucks in and no landing zones will be set up for aircraft. Choppers might drop but they will take care of us after St Louis and Memphis. All the government is worried about in this area right now is the pipeline under the river. There was supposed to be an excercise to prepare fro the quake but they decided we was not important enough.

The quake we had in 1990 was nothing as i have lived here all my life and have felt several of those. Just be prepared.

-- Posted by mightymo on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 3:35 PM

fajar154, Yes...just love it when a topic can't be discussed with out the nastiness.

But what the heck...better than the past week of boring, no posts...uhhhh and mushy Amerue crap the paper has been printing. (YES...finally got that off my chest!) LMAO How many Speakout comments do we need to thank them? Sure, I'm thankful...but come on! (AND surely, I am not the only one who has thought this???)

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 3:42 PM

melange

No authority can make you leave your home, even if it is dangerous. What they do tell you is to paint your name on your front door along with who you want notified in the event of your death.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 3:42 PM

EEEEEKKKK!!!

Just caught the sight of Carville and almost went blind because of the light cast from his mug.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 3:46 PM

Being that I have three pipe lines running within a hundred yards of my house, I will make the best of it. Can you imagine the fireworks from them? I'll worry about earthquakes when one hits.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 3:46 PM

Did any of the rest of you notice any nastiness with any of the recent posts? I didn't.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 3:49 PM

I will never forget Snakehead putting that trash can over his head on national tv when Bush won.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 3:50 PM

Mr. Nall,

If you have a problem with my comment, feel free to state so. (Seems YOU have your guns pointed?) If I'm not mistaken, I am free to have the right to my opinion of what "nastiness" is.

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 3:57 PM

mandatory:

*authoritatively ordered; obligatory; compulsory

*pertaining to, of the nature of, or containing a command

*permitting no option; not to be disregarded or modified

Sorry, but my belief (then and still now) is (briefly) that once mandatory evacuation was declared, those residents should have put more effort into leaving the area, and New Orleans plus LA officials/police should have been more forceful and involved in enforcing that mandatory evacuation order. After all this time, so many are living in FEMA campers (BTW: The fact that we paid an average of $70,000 each for those campers is outrageous) and depending upon the government (us) to continue supporting them, while they also continue to complain that they should have received "more" help, more money, better places in which to live.

I'm rather proud to say that all my friends who lived in that area worked desperately and now have places to live, jobs, etc. It's I guess the difference between people like that and those who expect someone else to do almost everything for them.

Darn, I don't mean to sound hard-hearted. Just that in my lifetime, through the loss of a home by fire, the '93 Flood, some forced unemployment, etc., I do believe that most people can and do survive with little or no help. It's mostly all in the desire and willingness to work harder than maybe we'd like to.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 4:13 PM

Is it just me, but does all controversy and nastiness evolve from topics of conversation with Conservababe? Naaa...couldn't be.

-- Posted by Just_Me_and_My_Opinion. on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 4:24 PM

Speaking of disasters and scary. Here's one for you. If you go to any of our Emergency rooms and there are more that 20 people in the waiting room, you will be 6 hours getting help. Now, imagine if we had a major disaster. Chaos folks, complete and utter chaos!

Melange, I appreciated your comment about the "mushy" Ameren UE articles. Two important points with them.

1. We pay good money monthly for their services.

2. It's their job!

-- Posted by Mr_Fruity_Flapjacks on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 4:29 PM

If another ice storm hits like they are projecting, I hope that those workers who braved the elements in the last storm got plenty of rest. They deserved "A Job Well Done".

My sympathy melange.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 4:35 PM

Melange,

In answer to your earlier post, simply put, Law Enforcement cannot do what they are not statutorily permitted to do. They must operate within the laws pertaining to any given situation. Louisiana statutes in effect at that time dealing with disasters permitted "the chief law enforcement officer of the political subdivision affected by the proclamation may…promulgate orders…regulating and controlling the possession, storage, display, sale, transport and use of firearms, other dangerous weapons and ammunition.", but did not allow for them to prohibit the "possession". Accordingly, when the Police Superintendent ordered the confiscation, he acted beyond his legal authority. This is the short version and I hope it helps.

-- Posted by D'oh on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 4:38 PM

Things that make you go 'hmmmm' - saw the comment about $100 oil and got to wondering about what proportion of the increases over the last few years are due to the weakening dollar in the currency markets vs. the proportion of oil price increases due to other, more typical market forces.

Read somewhere that a significant portion of international stock returns here in the U.S. were due to changes in the exchange rate, and not so much the performance of the foreign stocks themselves.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 4:41 PM

KJT, Thanks for the information.

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 4:43 PM

Off-Topic: I loved this Hillary quote: "We need tax breaks for the middle class, not for the wealthy and the well-connected" Like, she isn't one of the above? Guess she couldn't have said "...not for us wealthy and well-connected." Apologizing again, but just struck me as so funny. LOL

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 4:44 PM

Re: Ameren - it is amazing (at least to me) that I have yet to read any comments about why the lines aren't buried underground.

I suggest this past storm served as a reminder on the importance of electric service reliability in this day and age.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 4:46 PM

fxpwt, Buried lines...that is a good question? Wonder why they aren't?

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 4:56 PM

Re Buried electric lines--the expense.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 4:58 PM

Buried lines - yep, gurusmom got it.

Much more expensive to bury a line - the cable should be rated for underground service, plus have to dig all the way instead of plopping poles every couple hundred feet.

For the higher voltage stuff, would much rather it be way up in the air rather than just a couple feet underfoot.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 5:08 PM

conservababe, it didn't take too long before most Americans realized Newt's "Contract with America" was in reality "Contract on America." Poor Newt...

-- Posted by iago on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 5:08 PM

I'm FED UP with IDIOT drivers. I almost got creamed from behind by a semi on I-55 just now because an IDIOT in front of me in a blue pickup thought he had to slow down to 35 BEFORE exiting the interstate at the Jackson exchange. This has happened many times in the past. You don't have to slow down to even 60 and definitely NOT 35!!!!! The off ramp is PLENTY long for cars to slowdown AFTER you exit. PLEASE, you are endangering peoples lives by this DANGEROUS, IDIOTIC practice. Get off the interstate, then slow down or get off the roads all together!

-- Posted by calypso12 on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 6:55 PM

Wow...

we always cycle back to topics.

I figured I'd heard about as much Hurricane Katrina as a person could have shoved down their throat in the previous months.

Hrm...now if I can just get my bronchitis, sinus infection, and ear infection to go away so I feel like sparring....

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 7:27 PM

Herr

I am laughing so hard. You have summed up rather nicely.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 7:27 PM

Herr,

Well at least you are an equal oppertunity thrasher.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 7:30 PM

And yes I know I can't spell. LOL

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 7:31 PM

Questions:

Any estimate yet of the damage to Cape County, Cape city, and Jackson from the storm? Homeowner insurance mostly doesn't cover tree damage alone - like $500. The damage to houses, etc. has got to be phenomenal.

Couldn't a lot of the downed trees be used as firewood? I realize it would have to season and not all is suitable to burn, but I see curb after curb piled up with cut and trimmed logs and branches.

Can we EVER thank AmerenUE, et al enough? I still think they did a tremendous job in God-awful weather. I know I am glad I was not up an icy tree in 14 degree weather with electrical lines all around me. For 20+ hours - for days on end - yes, for good pay - just doing my job - still glad it wasn't me!

-- Posted by nuit_de_trois_chiens on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 7:47 PM

Whoever our next president is will be a vast improvement. The one we now have is the worst ever, the laughing stock of the entire world.

-- Posted by iago on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 8:13 PM

As to the firewood possibilities, suggest that if there was wood worth going after, the pickup truck parade would have already been cruising the streets for the easy-takings - much like the periodic patrols during the big-ticket item haul-offs that used to occur.

Don't know what the plans are for all the refuse - but a couple of ideas -

1) With all the tree trimmings that are getting hauled off to somewhere - perhaps pile it up, light it off, and have a citywide invitation to a 'survived the Ice Storm 2008' bonfire / social gathering? Ah, but then there's the liability and parking issues to consider.

2) Shred up the smaller stuff for free wood chips / mulch for homeowners.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 8:22 PM

Herr Hauptmann, DES: It took a lot of imagination for the MSM to pick such colorful candidates, red of course. Oh those rotten French must be laughing at the choices. America has become France.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 8:37 PM

I suggest that many homeowners are going to discover the many specific ins-and-outs of homeowner insurance coverage. Always difficult to read the policy - trying to understand the differences between the statements of what is and isn't covered and the unusual circumstances that generally lead in with 'what happens if'?

Many cities have 'beautification' codes towards trees to limit wanton removal. Some fines include $120 per trunk diameter inch, $500 for the first 6 inches and $100 for each additional inch, and so on.

At any rate, it would seem logical for a homeowner policy to offer a similar provision for the loss of trees - after all, good trees add significant value to the property - but then again, it's all up to the homeowner to read the policy and to understand what is and isn't covered.

What's that Latin term - Caveat Emptor? - perhaps applies to homeowner insurance purchases/coverage also.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 8:55 PM

Suggest that this 'act of God' ice-storm event will wreak havoc on many utilities' budgets.

Very difficult to forecast the frequency and magnitude of such costs when setting up the annual operating budgets and the supporting rate schedule for customers.

Consumers have really put the pressure ON to keep rates down, so it is hard to justify tossing a huge chunk-a-change placeholder into a budget for costs which may or may not occur. Aside from the recent events here and in the St. Louis area, how many times in the last 20 years has there been a major widespread power distribution problem that required the calling out of such a large workforce?

Fortunately, most utilities did a very good job towards recovery. Sure, that's what's supposed to happen, and it goes a long way towards keeping the customer goodwill. But keep in mind that all the support called in for this event did not come cheap and has to be paid for somewhere along the line.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 9:15 PM

I lost a tree a few years ago, and my homeowner's only covered the tree to a value of $500.00. No matter the brand, size, etc., they only valued it at $500. max. Covered nothing for cutting it the rest of the way down, removal, stump. I was peeved.

-- Posted by nuit_de_trois_chiens on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 9:22 PM

I dunno why you would want to even run as a Republican this year. You have two chances; slim and none!

The Wicked Witch Republican Party is finally dead! Mellting, they're Mellllting! HOPE HOPE HOPE!

-- Posted by Mr_Breakfast_Flakes on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 9:26 PM

Limb cleanup and replacing a gutter on my garage will be out of my pocket due to not exceeding deductible. It would be nice to be related to an agent. Relatives don't seem to ever pay for anything.

Also as James said, MSM has campaigned for McCain like crazy. But of course they will abandon him as soon as the Hope,Change,Yes We Can candidate officially whips Clinton. Think McCain's famous temper will come into play when he figures out out the media really doesn't love him?

-- Posted by stevmo on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 9:54 PM

Herr Hauptmann, DES - IMHO you are a jerk and judging by your name, perhaps a NAZI.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 10:27 PM

And before you all get your panties in a wad - I was refering to the 7:07 comment. And before you start one of your goofy rants Babe, I don't care what you think!

-- Posted by DickCheney on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 10:37 PM

If I were the "Gun Owners of America" or the "Jews for the Preservation of Firearms", I think that I would be cuddling up to Obama about now. We don't know where he stands on firearms but try to persuade him. It is impossible to know where McCain stands at any given moment. McCain has authored laws restricting lobbying for gun rights as a Senator.

-- Posted by BCStoned on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 10:58 PM

Don't care about all the political party aspects - I'm just looking at the top contenders thinking 'crap, this is promising to be one of those Presidential terms that gets pointed to on the History Channel about just how bad things can be'. Mr. Carter and Mr. Harding may finally get off the hook.

Starting to feel the beginnings of the swirl around the toilet bowl.

If the glass if only half-full, then it's half as empty as I deserve by my God-given right as an American that it should be :-)~

-- Posted by fxpwt on Tue, Feb 19, 2008, at 11:18 PM

NeedleDickCheney:

Gee, you seemed to have proven yourself a rather unlovely little rodent over a relatively short period of time, not to mention somewhat of an imbecile with possibly a touch of mental illness, who no doubt cannot even define Nazi. Leftists (meaning socialists) and/or the mentally ill, possibly like yourself, often invoke a technique called projection. That is where you "project" your own iniquities (such as nazi, fascist, etc) onto your perceived enemies. That way, you can feel better about yourself as, for instance, a nazi, or other form of socialist scumbag.

So, I hope you do feel better as a blithering lefty, and I'm quite flattered to be targeted as one of your enemies. Actually, I'd like to see some of the history you and your ilk generated come back in reverse order on you folks for a change. You know? All the niceties like, let's say, concentration camps, your kind promoted to entertain humanity . Maybe it's time for a little historic pay-back, yes? I trust we'd have to change a city ordinance or two, to account for the mess, but it's a fascinating thought anyway. Other than that, you're dismissed.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 1:45 AM

Funny - you can sling, but you can't take - figures. I think we all got it.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 7:13 AM

Looks - like your nasty 7:07 remarks got removed. I guess I wasn't the only one offended.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 7:20 AM

NDCheney: Nice to see you managed to recover from your substance-induced stupor, and check back in with the real world. And, yeah, I might have to somewhat agree with you, as distasteful as it may be, that some of the folks at this paper don't have much of a sense of humor. They don't seem to get that I'm clowning around a bit when I end by "Burma shave", albeit, I usually inject ingredients of truth in my comments. But I noticed, however, that you have not yet managed convince them to delete my comment directed squarely at you...perhaps because it's loaded with adequate doses of truth & accuracy?

It doesn't matter if they delete everything anyway, as I have copies to share with others, and have already gleaned enough from you to forward to D.E.S. for, how should I say, "processing". So keep it up with that projection action, Dicky boy, by calling those who don't agree with you nazis, fascists, homophobes, racists, etc...just clearly identifies you as a deranged leftist! No Burma Shave here.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 10:26 AM

You are a funny little person. You may try and twist what I said and it's meaning, but we both know what I responded to and it was offensive to blacks, Muslims and women. If you are proud of that - stick with it. What you say carries no weight with me.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Wed, Feb 20, 2008, at 11:20 AM

I've listened to some King Crimson on occasion. Freddy Friction has some stories too.

-- Posted by Just_Me_and_My_Opinion. on Thu, Feb 21, 2008, at 11:57 AM


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