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Speak Out 2/9/08

Saturday, February 9, 2008

Parents as teachers

IT IS not a teacher's job to make moral choices for teenagers. It is a teenager's job to make the right choices. It is the parents' jobs to instill these values and be an example to their children.

Failing students

THE DELTA School Board is failing our children. Our teachers let children listen to MP3 players during class and play computer games rather than learn typing or basic Web design. When parents approach the school board, getting on the agenda is impossible, and problems are ignored. The school administration needs to change priorities. Let's join forces with parents to make sure students are learning. Start after-school tutoring. Parents should be responsible, but too often they can't do the homework. Let's do what we can to ensure that these kids grow up able to help their children with eighth-grade math. It is time for a big change, and that falls on the parents and citizens in the Delta School District.

Wage impact

I CAN'T support minimum-wage increases because they take jobs from good people and hurt business owners. The increases raise food prices and affect the housing market. Why are we being so stupid to believe that all problems will be fixed when we start making $7.50 and hour next year? It's going to get worse before it gets better. If we keep crying because we don't make enough money, we might as well complain about our dogs, cars and anything else that comes to mind. Please try to stop the minimum wage from getting higher.

Make them pay

CAPE GIRARDEAU should consider rezoning the 1200 block of South Pacific Street as commercial. Drug dealers should pay taxes too.

Becoming inner-city

I AM a parent who has had two kids graduate from Central High School. Both kids were honor students and went on to good universities and have competed quite well with top students from top school systems. Central annually graduates students that go to some of the top schools in the country. Obviously, these kids got a pretty good education at Central. Kids who want to learn can. I keep hearing that we need more programs. We are currently serving breakfast at most schools. We have after-school learning programs, extra reading programs. Now we are talking about preschool and day care. What's next? Dinner and overnight housing? Unless parents care about their kids' education and push the kids to care, all the money and all the programs don't work. Too many kids are disrespectful to teachers and staff and don't try in the classroom. School officials have little power to make them behave. Central is becoming like an inner-city school. The smart, well-behaved kids are starting to leave the system to go to private schools. I'm glad my kids aren't still in school.

Wasting dollars

THE CITY is going to spend $500,000 to straighten a section of Kingsway Drive. I made a point of driving that stretch of road to justify that expense. There is not much traffic, and it is not a danger. Can't we spend that money somewhere where it would have a better impact? The Missouri Department of Transportation made a good case for its last tax initiative to fix roads and bridges. It promised to spend the money wisely. Now we have mileage markers every two-tenths of a mile on every interstate. That was dollars wasted.

A dumb idea

MANY PEOPLE on disability pay taxes. People on welfare pay taxes. The tax refund is a dumb idea, because we all will eventually have to pay it back. Our nation is in serious financial trouble, and we are getting extra tax refunds?

New Delta school

DELTA SCHOOL District needs a new grade school. The idea of it being in town and so close to the high school is an advantage to everybody. This is a positive thing for our town. Tutors are a good thing. Most kids will pay more attention to a tutor than to a parent who is trying to help. If you disagree, take more time to help your own child. Teachers can only do so much with 20 to 30 kids in a class. I think Delta has good teachers, and I 100 percent support a new grade school.

Filched bank card

I SEE in Speak Out that people find purses in shopping carts and numerous places and are honest enough to return them to the owner. Sadly I had no such experience. Sometime after I filled my gas tank at an area service station I lost my bank card. Somebody found it and went to another service station and had a heyday with it instead of seeing that it got returned to me. Someone took $260 of my money before I could get to the bank on Monday morning to cancel the card. I have had to go though a lot of headache to straighten this out. In the meantime I cannot pay my utility bill.

Jackson police

I HATE complainers, especially those who would make our lovely city of Jackson a police state. I drive in Jackson often, and I haven't noticed anyone using the center lane as a driving lane. I understood there was a bit of a crackdown by the police for a while. People are behaving themselves. I don't want a cop breathing down my back.

Ballot instructions

I VOTED at the Hanover precinct where only 40 people voted for Mary Kasten for 158th District state representative. Poll workers did not tell us to turn the ballot over to vote for state representative. I thought we could only vote for the president. It was a failure of those poll workers to tell us that you had to turn the ballots over. Otherwise, there would have been more votes for Kasten.

Do the right thing

A COMMENT begged the owners of Global Trading not to pursue their suit, which would cost taxpayers money. Would you do that if it were your livelihood on the line? Let's all get behind the owners of Global Trading and make as much noise as the folks on Lacey Street. Our city council is an elitist group that needs to stop treating average residents so cavalierly. Let's get them to do the right thing instead of asking the mistreated store owner to back down.

Profit motive

I HAVE question for President Bush. If a corporation receives subsidies from the government, what incentive does it have to make a profit?

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Wasting dollars, The city is not paying for this work; Rhodes is. The city is trading a piece of land that it cannot use, about two acres.

Here are some details: http://www.semissourian.com/story/130802...

-- Posted by Peg McNichol on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 12:37 AM

Why call a Rabbi, or, a doctor, when you can do it yourself, at home, with your pocket knife? Ahhh, self reliance, it's the American way.


-- Posted by Brill on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 3:40 AM

Jerry, ouch! Why would one to do that in the first place?

-- Posted by iago on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 4:29 AM

Ballot instructions,

I could see your point if Kasten had lost or there was a run off because the vote was too close to call. But, Kasten was declaired the winner and Keefe conceeded. Your statement, though valid to you, is pointless.

-- Posted by Pups on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 5:17 AM


In continuation of yesterdays debate you said, "Jerry-- I don't think it's over the top.

I believe in small government and a strict interpretation of the Constitution---which did not allow for programs and whatnot, including UHC."

Small government? That machine has been growing since the constitution was drafted. Come on Bethie, don't think you are the "only" one who knows about history. That constitution was just as controversial then, as it is now. When that was written, we didn't really have a clue as to what we were doing.

Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness!

Let's put some emphasis on "LIFE" here. It would be hard to interpret what our original stance was. After all, just like France, this country was built on "Revolution" Ohhh yeah....that's right…you forgot that didn't you? Yeah...That's right; originally we were unpatriotic radicals who were unfaithful to the crown. We were a bunch of renegades who wanted our FREEDOM so composed a constitution that would adhere to such. Yet, we didn't start "really" working on the Free "man" thing until Lincoln made his "Emancipation Proclaimation. Oh but wait, that really didn't take place until over 100 years later either. Don't give me "strict" interpretation. We haven't abided by "strict" interpretation since the thing was drafted. It took us 200 years to finally understand what freedom meant.

Funny, the very country we "defected" from abolished slavery, elected a female Prime Minister, and had Universal Heath Care before us. Hmmmm Hmmmm Hmmmm....

Anyhow, we want be the "savior" of the entire world, yet we have a difficult time saving ourselves. Yeah, some role model we are. You can be "for" UHC, or you can be against it, but he winds of change are already in progress. It may be 1 year, 2, 4, 10, or even another 100, but I "guarantee" you. It's going to happen, and the day it does let the bells ring from the highest towers and the people take to the streets ;o)

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 6:22 AM

Make them pay, better yet...revitalize and re-write the Harrison Tax Act. Legalize it, and tax it to haities.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 6:24 AM

Do the right thing---Ok what's is the deal with "Global Trading" did I miss something?

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 6:26 AM

Wasting Dollars----

Here is my angle on this. You better get us some sidewalks on Kingsway then, the traffic is already going way to fast. Once you straighten that out, it's going to be incredibily dangerous for us who "live" in this neighborhood. We'd like to walk and ride our bikes without worring about getting ran over!

Honestly, I wished they wouldn't do this, you're basically creating another "busy" street. It's bad enough already.

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 6:32 AM

Back to the Rhodes thing. Why do they need all that parking anyway???

-- Posted by Proud_Democrat on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 6:44 AM

Do the right thing,

ONE private owner, Global Trading "issue" is very different than the public/community, Lacey Street issue. Global Trading has received due process, "A jury award of $65,000".

This is NOT a public issue, this is a private matter. Avelina (Belen) Lichtenegger and Jerel Lichtenegger have the right to appeal, of which they probably will.

IMO It appears, the Lictenegger's are unhappy with their jury award, which was for very small portion of their property. Yet, they still own the majority of their property. There were other property owners affected by Broadway's improvements, and they seem to be satisfied with how the City handled the value of their properties. I would suspect the same formula was used for all, it appears the jury thought so too.


-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 7:19 AM

Becoming inner-city,

If you kids are grown, some would say you have no right to care. I would disagree, however if you feel passionate about academic issues, please educate yourself a bit before making uninformed comments.

There are good reasons for all the programs you mentioned: serving breakfast, after-school learning programs, extra reading programs, preschool

fyi...All of which have been around for many years, supported, encouraged, mandated &/or funded by federal and state programs, including NCLBA, DESE, MSBA

"day care"--Simply, not true.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 7:31 AM

Ballot instructions... sounds like a bad ballot design and also incompetent poll workers. Oh and not to mention ignorant voters... you'd think if you knew that you were going in to vote for or against Mary and you didn't see it on the ballot you would ask someone. Those IQ tests prior to voting may not be such a bad idea.

-- Posted by user Vast Right Wing Conspiracy on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 9:32 AM

Parents as Teachers:

It's not YOUR JOB to tell others how to live their lives.

-- Posted by Ike on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 10:14 AM


Parking is for the walking/hiking/biking trail.

-- Posted by Solelicious on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 10:27 AM


I don't support income tax, corporte welfare, etc either...

I just hadn't broadened out my topic.


Actually I didn't forget we were built on Revolution---revolution based on wanting the government out of private individuals business and pockets. I never proclaimed to be the only one who understood history either----although I can tell you that any bit of history is debated from all angles within the field all the time. I recognize that there are differences in perspective. You may not like the idea of strict interpretation---but I believe in it. There were MANY forefathers who believed in it as well---and there were many who wanted a looser view. It's always been a debate and always will be so.

Also---I don't want to be the "savior" of the entire world. I personally think we could cut a lot of the junk we do and tell them to go stuff it. It would be different if we were actually teaching people to fish instead of giving them a fish....and doing it in areas where they were grateful for the help instead of ****** because you fed them.

(posted on yesterdays----but since Jerry66 reposted I wanted to make sure he saw that I did respond). =)

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 10:48 AM

The ballot had an instruction on the bottom to turn it over. Reading is fundamental....

-- Posted by John Baker on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 11:00 AM

Psssttt, hey you, the know-it-all, yes, you, melange -- in the Speak-Out comment about *becoming inner-city* there is not one word that is not true. That commenter does not need to educate him/herself -- maybe you need to learn how to read with better comprehention. The commenter said day care had been talked about -- TRUE! The commenter said breakfast, after-school, etc. were in existence, not that they were not mandated or didn't have good reasons for them. The point was, I believe, that good students can learn and good parents will have, for the most part, good students. Those parents who do not support good education and demand compliance from their children will produce students who disrupt, don't care, and leave teachers with very few alternatives for discipline. Discipline is not punishment. Discipline is directing growing and developing minds to the best ways to conduct and control one's self so that one's behavior and social conduct will be acceptable to society. Some parents no longer accept that role; some teachers do try to instill that. God help us when the good, dedicated teachers decide they have had enough of classroom behaviors that prevent learning and leave the classrooms. Then you will all have to educate your children at home or pay extra for private school. Go ahead, call and see how much tuition is.....

-- Posted by I'm_just_sayin' on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 12:10 PM

oh, p.s., I know you don't have kids, melange -- that last part was directed to posters in general.

-- Posted by I'm_just_sayin' on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 12:17 PM

ooops, p.p.s., comprehention = comprehension

-- Posted by I'm_just_sayin' on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 12:20 PM

I'm just sayin',"know-it-all"

So glad a topic can be discussed in a respectful way. Love the way SOME teachers behave in this forum.

If you are going to make a logical stance in a debate, provide a source please!

btw...Before I made my statement, I searched DESE, MSBA and even googled for a single reference...could not find one, expect for policies private schools or those that provide transportation to and from preschool to daycare.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 1:52 PM

I'm just sayin',

I do NOT consider pre-school and daycare the same thing. However, I do realize some use the terms as one.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 2:08 PM

Pre-school and daycare are not the same thing.

Pre-school requires teachers with a pre-kindergarten degree and a structure plan.

Daycare requires (usually) licensed teachers, a balanced ratio---and typically no set learning plan or forced activities. They don't have to educate your child if they choose not to.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 3:37 PM

I'm just sayin',

I be danged! It appears, I missed this article...you are right.


-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 3:53 PM

Gosh, slow news day?

Of course, the day I can just hang out and check in on speak out, there is nothing going on. lol

-- Posted by allen6177 on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 7:49 PM

allen6177 - yeah, notice that the chatter really slows down on weekends.

While there may be other reasons, perhaps settle for the hope that the online warriors have an unofficial truce or armistice for the weekends? :-)~

If I weren't so cheap, I would almost bet hard money that things pick up on Monday.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 8:39 PM

melange, who said I was a teacher??

Honestly, you go on and on every single day about how others should educate themselves, get involved, do this, do that, yada, yada, yada. Then you so helpfully provide information for all of us ignorant souls who quite frankly don't need your posts to know what is going on in the world. You act every day as though you and you alone know it all. I'm just tired of it, that's all. Post all you want. I don't care. But you really do act like other people are just plain stupid. And I am not the only one who feels this way.

YOU started it by telling the original Speak-Out poster to educate him/herself before making uninformed comments. So who is it who needs to discuss things in a respectful way?

Cape schools HAVE discussed both day care and pre-school. These are two different things, you say! NO DUH??

Now which logical stance that I took have you demanded that I source for you?

-- Posted by I'm_just_sayin' on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 8:49 PM

well, I have seen some of the conversations... Sometimes quiet is better! lol

-- Posted by allen6177 on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 9:04 PM

Wage Impact,

What do you mean raising the minimum wage "takes jobs from good people"? Don't you think that the people working at McDonalds, or in a factory making minimum wage would benifit (initially at least) from making a little more an hour? How is that taking away jobs from good people?

Iago - Circumcisions are very common. Medical studies have proved that they can provide a 50-60% reduction in HIV transmission from female to male, reduce the risk of human papilloma virus, and reduce the risk of certain kinds of cancer - not to mention assist in hygiene. Now why someone would attempt to do it themselves is beyond me!! That sounds dangerous and stupid!

-- Posted by CapeRes on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 9:45 PM


Just to rock the boat, is what you did when you made that snide remark the other day. Do you feel fullfilled? Is your day complete now? Can you walk with a little extra viggor in your stride after making a political remark on account of my friend? Belittling his motives to hide behind your fears.

Since you work with soldiers, per se, I gathered that your job is to sew them up, hand them a lolley pop, smack them on the *** and tell them "Good Game."

I never expect a Bedpan Cleaner to understand what makes a Ground Pounder tick.

Sorry it took me a couple of days to accept the death of a friend that I have known for 12 years. For I would have responded earlier.

If you so choose, there will be a ceramony open to the public in the coming week. Please attend. Then, you can tell it straight to his body, when it lies in state, that his sacrifice was ALL for nothing. Tell it to his friends and relatives in the process. I'm sure they would love your opinion.

Come, or has your false confidence faded after you leave the saftey of your keyboard?

-- Posted by fajar154 on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 10:10 PM

fajar154, a heartfelt salute to your dear friend. I read so many tales of him on the blogs of the newspaper stories. An incredible man he was indeed. Please accept the apologies of all of us here for the lack of manners and rude and insensitive behavior of friend-o and others of that ilk.

-- Posted by I'm_just_sayin' on Sat, Feb 9, 2008, at 10:28 PM

fajar: The previous comment says it all. It is heart-breaking to sometimes see the lack of human kindness or compassion that some people appear to have.

My heart goes out to you and all those who knew and loved your friend. He sounded like someone most of us might aspire to be.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sun, Feb 10, 2008, at 12:16 AM

I'm just sayin',

Feel better now?

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Feb 10, 2008, at 1:50 AM


In all fairness Friend-O and Jumpin were not the only ones to use the passing of your friend to make a political comment. Though, the other person did appologize for doing so.

Truely hope you are doing ok. I know we have never met, but you are in my thoughts and prayers as well as the family of your fallen friend. And I know these are only words, but know they are from the heart.

-- Posted by Pups on Sun, Feb 10, 2008, at 10:03 AM

Oh, yes, actually I really do...

-- Posted by I'm_just_sayin' on Sun, Feb 10, 2008, at 11:05 AM


you obviously make much more than the suggested minimum wage increase. How could you say not to raise the minimum wage for people who already don't make enough money to barely live off of. Are you a small business owner who is scared that you might have to share a little more of your earnings, or do you own or work for a giant company who does not want to share profit. Raising the minimum wage to 7.50 is not going to break the system. There may be a few job losses at first, but those jobs will come back after everything settles. 7.50 is not a lot of money buddy. Actually, if you look at it, it will keep you in a paycheck to paycheck status. So don't hate on the people who just want a little more money so they can pay their bills on time. Actually, if the minimum wage was 10.00 an hour, it will still be a struggle for many. so i say yes to minimum wage. oh by the way, i make more than minimum wage now thank God and i still don't feel it is enough.

i tell you this, since you don't want a minimum wage increase, how about you share some of your extra money you have on hand since you don't want others to make more money. how about that!

-- Posted by kadillac on Tue, Feb 12, 2008, at 2:41 PM


what do you know about inner city schools? you said your kids went to central, so how do you know about how inner city schools work. you have been watching way too much tv...remember...all that you see on tv is not true. there are some schools who have problems, but to classify all inner city schools as being bad, or less discipline, or the parents of the kids who go there do not care. you should really go visit the inner city schools before you make negative comments about them. many of our great students came from inner city schools and grew up to be outstanding citizens and leaders....check this out...i am going to let you in on a little secret.....your soon to be next President of the United States,...Barack Obama, is a product of an inner city school. Now what do you think about that????

-- Posted by kadillac on Tue, Feb 12, 2008, at 2:52 PM

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