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Speak Out 2/7/08

Thursday, February 7, 2008

Medicaid cuts

THE SOUTHEAST Missourian noted that a University of Missouri-St. Louis political scientist said Jay Nixon won't be able to use Gov. Matt Blunt's Medicaid cuts against the next Republican candidate for governor. That political scientist is wrong, because no prominent Republican did anything to keep those cuts from taking place and the political party that claims to be pro-life did nothing to help disabled citizens when it mattered over these past two difficult years. Remember this when it's time to vote.

Where are the police?

MY HUSBAND and I own a home on the outskirts of Jackson. I drive through Jackson on my way to and from work five days a week. I'm amazed at the driving on Jackson Boulevard. There are no police anywhere. The police are not writing tickets for using the center lane as a driving lane. Speeding is horrible. Weaving in and out of traffic is horrible. Isn't anybody going to enforce the rules? I said something about this at work, and somebody said, "They probably have their efforts concentrated elsewhere." I've started reading the police report. Obviously Jackson is not a hotbed of criminal activity, and it doesn't seem like the police efforts need to be concentrated somewhere else. The highest rate of traffic in this town, I'm sure, is on Jackson Boulevard during the morning and afternoon rush hours. Where are the police?

Keep day care open

MY DAUGHTER sends her children to day care. The day care called her because it was snowing. You pay exorbitant prices, and the day care says, "You have to pick up your child at 4 o'clock because we're closing." If she leaves her job, she gets fired. It is amazing to me that the day care gets paid those kind of fees and decides to close. You pay the day care so you'll have some place dependable to take your child. My daughter had to work, and I think the day care should have to work too.

Corn for ethanol

I DON'T know where Dennis Dobson got his facts about how much fuel it takes for farmers to grow enough corn to make one gallon of ethanol. He said it takes one-half gallon of fuel to grow enough corn to make one gallon of ethanol. That information must have come from a study paid for by a big oil company. On our farm last year, for every gallon of diesel fuel, gasoline and propane we bought to do everything from planting, irrigation, drying and hauling of our corn, we grew enough corn to make 25 gallons of ethanol, and our farm is typical for Southeast Missouri. Dobson also forgot to mention that after making all of this ethanol, one-third of the corn is left as distillers' grain, which has a better feed value than whole-grain corn.

Thanks, road crews

I WANT to thank our Cape Girardeau workers who work all hours of the day and night and do their best to keep our roads clear during snowy conditions. You are so much appreciated. Thanks for all you do.

Think before buying

I THINK the American consumer should consider human rights when selecting items to purchase. China, India, Pakistan, Africa and Mexico must understand that in order to earn our business, they must work for it. Child labor, sweat shops, forced labor and the abolition of unions are terrible trade practices. Whether we want it or not, whether we realize it or not, we are becoming a globalized community. Let's ensure that it will be an egalitarian global community. Don't worry about the economy. The economy is fine. What you need to worry about is not having poor people who need work. They pay the taxes. If they are all gone, who will be the consumers?

School worries

WHO CARES if a potential candidate for school superintendent is found out? What is embarrassing is this dictatorship of a school district. I'm the parent whose child wants to go to college but fears he won't qualify from the poor math teaching at Central Junior High School. When a whole classroom fails quiz after quiz and the teacher throws it out, it makes me sick. Some members of the school board show poor judgment. Look at their track record for hiring and firing. I read in Speak Out about the seventh-graders using cell phones. I can't count the number of times a teachers use theirs for personal reasons. It takes away from the classroom time.

Broadcast meetings

I BELIEVE Internet broadcasting of the Cape Girardeau County Commission meetings is a fantastic idea. This is our county, and the commissioners are paid with tax money. I would like to know who is working for the citizens of Cape Girardeau County. Who knows with outside ideas how much money can be saved?

Prepare for future

A CALLER said he was getting less than a 3 percent increase on his $700-a-month Social Security check and not happy about it. I wonder if he is against privatizing Social Security and waiting for the government to take care of all your needs. Social Security is a rip-off, but it was never meant to be your sole income once retired. The younger generation had better prepare for the future or suffer the consequences.

Working to exist

I WAS just reading about the elderly person who is 50 years old and planned ahead for retirement. It's nice you have enough money from your paycheck to save and plan. We worked every day from 1942 to 1987 at a low wage. The income was to exist and raise our family. Do you know what the minimum wage was in those days for the ordinary citizen? Shame on you for criticize low-income people for not planning ahead.

Four-wheeler problem

THE FOUR-wheeler problem on Cape Girardeau County roads and highways is getting out of hand. The sheriff's department is giving the four-wheeler riders a slap on the wrist. These vehicles need to be impounded, and the owners need to pay a $500 fine. I hope that we don't do like Perry County, which allows four-wheelers to be ridden on county roads. It is against the law. Stay off the county roads and highways. If you do not have a place to ride a four-wheeler, you do not need one.

Paying teachers

I LIVE on Social Security, and I'm able to do just about anything I want to do. I was glad the comment from the teacher who said she was happy. I think she's 100 percent right. I can remember back in my days that school teachers never complained about what they were paid. They were not paid enough at that time.


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I lost a close friend due to an IED in Baghdad yesterday. You will be hearing about the details in the coming days. He reuped, out of retirement so no one sent him there.

He will be missed. Send your prayers to his sister, nothing else. No other words WILL be said. He was my friend. My compainion. My brother in arms.

Smile, it's only war.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 12:18 AM

thaqt is why there should be more in home day cares because the day care provider lives right there and then there is no problem

-- Posted by cmf2002 on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 12:28 AM

Corn for ethanol: That farmer is overlooking the #1 item that causes all the energy consumption that goes into ethanol: Fertilizer. Unless he is spreading manure over all of his acreage the amount of energy that went into making the artificial fertilizers a corn farmer would typically use easily surpasses the minor amounts needed to plant, irrigate, dry & haul the corn. Pesticides & herbicide need to be added in as well since both also uses quite a bit of natural gas and petroleum in their production.

-- Posted by Nil on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 12:44 AM

I'm so deeply sorry, fajar.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 1:06 AM

Where are the police -

This comment is the reason why Speak Out is stupid. It seems that whenever the police are cracking down on speeding, people complain that they should be paying attention more pressing concerns in the community. Then the police department seems to listen to the complaints (probably not, it may just be consequence) and start to crack down on non-traffic violations. Then get the complaints that they are not paying attention to traffic and are criticized for not cutting down on traffic. They can't win...

And as for Jackson not being a hotbed of violence. You seemed to forget about that idiot kid shooting another kid at the carwash and the psychopath dad shooting everyone in his family, killing three (counting himself). Yeah... Jackson is a real model of peace and civility!

School Worries -

If you are so concerned about the quality of education in the public school district, then consider sending them to one of the few private schools. Sure , it will cost you some money. But you need to ask yourself, what is more important: my child's education and future or whether or not I need to buy a couple more HDTVs for him to play Halo on? Your answer depends on your true priority.

Working to exist -

Since when is an elderly person 50 years old? If that is elderly, then 30 must be your middle age! Sheesh!

Paying Teachers -

I don't care what anyone says. Every person who has a job wishes they will get paid more. This is true for pimply face 16 year old who is flipping burgers to the baseball players working hard for that extra 5 million that they deserve. Just because you aren't vocal about it doesn't mean that it is not a desire.

I would argue that every person deserves a raise of some sort because the price of living keeps on going up in this area. Really... it would be fair if all employers were required to raise salaries by the same percentage of the rising gas prices. But that won't happen.

fajar,

I am sorry to hear about your loss. Please be comforted that he died defending something that we take for granted everyday - our freedom. Just think - if a liberal gets in office and pulls troops out of Iraq right away. His death and thousands others will be in vain. Question is: do you want this person's death to be meaningless to the overall goal?

-- Posted by gehagge on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 1:33 AM

gurusmom, gehagge,

Thank you for your words. I agree that his loss should not be used as just as another stat to the scoreboard used by others who never signed the dotted line.

Put up or shut up. He volunteered. He needed not to go, again. He was one of our own.

But he was MY friend. My comrade in arms and I hate to see more put on a talley as to why we shouldn't be there when they have never seen what the shores of another country looks like.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 1:44 AM

I am begging you ALL to please be respectful of fajar154's loss, and NOT discuss the war today.

Farjar154,

I can't even imagine the feelings you are going through, as I have never lost a close friend. My heart and prayers are with you, his family, friends, brigade and company. Hopefully, knowing he was doing, what he thought was the right thing to do, will bring you all speedy grace and comfort.

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Flying my cyber flag at 1/2 mass in honor of Farjar154's friend. (No disrespect to the Flag intended, I'm not very good at cyber art.)

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 3:52 AM

Herr Hauptmann,

In response to yesterday's comment: Thanks for sharing your family's SLE Lupus story. I am terribly sorry to hear of your family's loss, certain you miss her dearly.

I agree, easy to let one's guard down after 18 years of living with the beast (or any chronic illness for that matter). Such far, (knock on wood) my symptoms are more of a nuisance than life threatening, of which I offer gratitude for every single day.

Perhaps, I should thank my Lupus, as it seems to remind me most days it is lurking near by. I have not been able to claim "remission" since the flare that spun after my 1989 surgeries.

However, I know in my heart, I am one of the lucky...no matter what…there is always, always someone who has a heavier burden to bear in this world.

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 4:58 AM

Think Before Buying

Only problem is, if we quit buying from China, India, and Mexico, we're all gonna have to run around barefoot and naked. Does anyone even manufacture clothing in the US anymore?

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 6:14 AM

Re: Working to exist

So you quit work after only 45 years? Even assuming that you didn't start working until you were 20, that means you "retired" at age 65. If you are complaining now and want the government to take care of you, perhaps you should have worked a few extra years back then to save a little money after you were finished raising your family. Or perhaps you should look to the family that you raised to help care for you in your old age. Like they say, lack of proper planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part. Social Security won't even be an option for my generation, but we are still forced to pay more and more of our paychecks into that failing system to support people who made the decision not to be able to support themselves.

Re: Keep day care open

I felt the same way when I heard about all of the schools closing early....wondered how many kids were being sent home to sit outside in the cold waiting for a parent to get off of work and get home to let them in at the regular time when they COULD have been in school. I can count on one hand the number of "snow days" I had growing up...and I lived in an area that actually got snowed on. Once we were AT school, we were there until the scheduled closing time....snow days only happened if school hadn't yet opened....and even then, it was a rare occurrence. It seems these days, they close the school if the weatherman even thinks there MIGHT be a slim chance that a few flakes will fall....

-- Posted by dixietrucker on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 6:28 AM

dixietrucker

I could be way of base on this, but in regards to school closings, could it be due to the sue happy Americans and their trial lawyers? Little Johnny's bus runs off the the snow covered road and he gets a boo-boo on his knee, so mommy and daddy hire a trial lawyer to sue the school district for putting little Johnny in harms way. I mean, if a ladder manufacturer can be sued for failing to put a warning sticker on it's ladders stating not to put legs of ladder in a pile of dog crap which could result in ladder slipping (saw it on 60 Minutes), then we can sue for anything. Right?

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 6:40 AM

When I attended Jackson 26-40 years ago, they let school out early, not just for snow and ice, but also for flash flooding. Not a new occurrence around these parts!

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 6:52 AM

Where are the police?-How dare those people drive like they have somewhere to go!

Keep day care open-Does seem a little odd. The kids are already there and the daycare isn't responsible for getting them home. Why not let them stay? Oh well, it's there business.

School worries-If your kids are important to you, you may have to look elsewhere to supplement your kids education. Try sylvan or reach out to other students or adults to fill the role of tutor. Good luck changing the school.

Broadcast meetings-YES!

Prepare for future-Yes.

Working to exist-You can either work to get by or you can work to get ahead. If getting by is ok with you when you're young, be ready for just getting by when you're older.

Four-wheeler problem-How DARE those people have fun. Stop it right NOW!

-- Posted by stevmo on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 7:52 AM

fajar

I am sorry about your loss but as was said by gehagge he died defending something he believed in I know that doesn't make it any easier right now but it will someday.

DayCares

I agree that the day cares should have stayed open until the scheduled closing time. you pay 15 a day to send your child and then they call and tell you they are closing yet still charge the full amount.

Medicaid cuts

If someone is truelly disabled and has a low income they can still get medicaid although it isnt called that. Many no longer get it because what they consider to be a disability the state doesn't. I have MS and even with our insurance my medical bills and prescriptions are high but I do not classify myself as disabled I still work and my husband and I make due. Many illnesses are a disability but only if you let them be.

As for the cops. No town is perfect and neither is their police force but those of you in Jackson should be thankful at least your city and the police force aren't in the head lines every other month like Chaffee. Our police department is the one with issues.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 7:55 AM

hilleco-Was it uphill both ways?

-- Posted by stevmo on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 8:03 AM

Hilleco, Your stories remind me of my dear Grandpa's tales. Yet I know you aren't near the age he would be. Also jogged a memory of one of my mom's family "spanking" stories.

Her four brothers were walking her home from school, decided to put their little sis on a sled and push her down the hill on a busy street in Cape. Grandpa was a Cape fireman at the time, and some godo citizen tattled on them. Mom says the boys got almost as harsh of a whoopin' as the time they road the poor cow to death.

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 8:08 AM

Peace and comfort to the ones of the recently lost in Iraq. Blessings now, no other comment needed.

-- Posted by changedname on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 8:08 AM

Keep Daycare Open--

Daycare is not at your beck and call. Daycare is a private business and can change operation hours if it deems it necessary. They have every right to take the safety of their employees into consideration.

Fajar--prayers for you and yours

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 8:15 AM

If you want to know where the police are at check the donut shop.

-- Posted by newman90 on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 8:18 AM

Yes daycares have the right to change hours but if you pay for a full day and then they close early and you have to have someone else watch them until you get off shouldn't they at least be required to take a few dollars off the price for the day.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 8:21 AM

They should be required to refund that portion of your days cost, same as they should be allowed to charge you extra if you are not timely in picking up your child.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 8:23 AM

You and the day care have a contract which you probably signed the first day you took your child there. Read it. If it doesn't say the daycare can close early then they cannot do so, as that would be breaking a contract. If it does say they can close early, then you should make arrangements with a relative or friend to pick up your child when you cannot. And the daycare will need to know the name of that person ahead of time.

-- Posted by nephi on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 8:27 AM

Sorry fajar, but your friend signed up for the wrong war.

He wasn't defending anyone's freedom in Iraq, since that country never attacked us. At least he didn't have kids.

Let the hate reign down on me, but I don't care. I'm a realist, and the reality is that your buddy and about 3,000 other lives are already a waste, dead in a war of choice.

-- Posted by Friend-O on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 8:33 AM

Where are the Police????? I also drive that stretch (Jackson Blvd) 5 days a week and every day I see drivers that take it upon themselves to slow everyone else down by driving 30-35 mph in the passing lane? Some of us don't have the option to get out and take a nice MORNING stroll on Jackson Blvd. Jackson police need to be issuing tickets to those people for going to SLOW!

-- Posted by DreamOn on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 8:34 AM

Friendo

I will not argue the war with you, I do not agree with it however I do agree with our men and women doing what THEY think is right. If we were in a civil war would you think the same if another country had soldiers dying trying to make it a better place for us to live. NONE of the 3,948 men and women who have died over there lives were wasted maybe they died to young or in the wrong place but at least they had the courage to fight and try to fight for democracy. When someone looses a friend you dont say they wasted their life if he felt it was wasting his life then he wouldn't have re-inlisted.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 8:38 AM

You are incomprehensible, Friend-O.

I find your remarks to be unnecessary, intentionally hurtful, and just plain mean.

I hope you never have to be the person on the receiving end of such hateful remarks.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 8:39 AM

RE: Daycares

Isn't your child's safety the most important issue?? Personally I didn't want my child on the roads with these crazy people driving around me. Luckily my child goes to a home daycare so we won't ever have this issue, but I still had someone pick my daughter up early because I didn't want her out in the snow. Make arrangements with family members or friends to pick the kids up from daycare or school. I definately wouldn't want my child on a bus!!!! Oh and about the cost, if your worried about $2 because you had to pick you kids up early, you need to get a better job!! Personally I don't blame the daycares or schools for closing because is it worth a car accident when most daycare workers don't even get paid above $8 a hour....

-- Posted by Baby Girl on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 9:34 AM

hilleco, You know, I'm talking about the War comments.

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 9:38 AM

Friend-O,

No hate reign down on you. Just a realization of what kind of person you are. Thank you for sharing your opinion.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 9:43 AM

fajar154,

Sorry...about my last post...I just asked the moderator to remove it, after I thought about it...it was disrespectful to the family.

I was kind of upset, because mom had just called upset after hearing the news of a soldier close to my brother's age, from our little town being killed. Then I read friend-o's comment, and did not think before I posted.

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 9:47 AM

fajar,

I was not trying to be disrespectful. If anything I am stating that he is a hero. There are not a many of those these days - in any country of the world. Obivously, he was a selfless person of great honor. I don't know what your faith is, but Christ did say that true love is a person willing to lay down his life for his friends.

Please accept my apologies for offending you.

-- Posted by gehagge on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 9:49 AM

melange,

We think alike. I started writing something that I would've regretted about some of the statments. I had to delete then because it was an insult to his memory.

At least he had a cause. Many of you don't believe in it, but it's better to get off the sidelines and play the game than to tell me how to play.

PS. There's a fine line for what can be said about those have passed and what they died for. Don't cross it.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 9:57 AM

Thank you Speakout God!

That was a reminder to "think" before you push the save comment button.

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 9:58 AM

gehagge,

You share my same thoughts. No offense taken.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 9:59 AM

fajar154,

Thank goodness my brother had called his fiancee' this morning! Otherwise, I think mom would have been in the hospital. Still yet, way too close to home for comfort.

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 10:01 AM

Fajar154,

I stand at attention in respect for your fallen Comrade.I am reminded of the helmet and dogtags attached to the inverted rifle and bayonet which signals a time of prayer for a fallen comrade in arms.Today

I will Pray for his Family and his friends.

He is truely a hero who gave the greatest sacrifice of all for all of us here in our Homeland.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 10:31 AM

When someone tells you that a friend has passed, you don't use it to make a political statement (from either side). You offer your condolences, a prayer, a shoulder, lower your head and raise your glass to their memory. Please don't use it for political fodder. This was a human being and wether or not you agree or disagree with how this person's life was cut short, you remain respectful to what has been lost.

Just my humble opinion, and out of respect the only thing I will say on the matter. Other then, fajar, I raise my sybolic glass of Crown in honor of your friend.

-- Posted by Pups on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 10:35 AM

It's a good thing Friend-O has anonymity, I'm quite sure he does not have the manhood to vomit that discraceful crap in front of anyone who has, or lost friends in war. What a sorry human being.

-- Posted by Dr._Will_B._Inebreated on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 11:11 AM

Not on 'topic' but important nonetheless.

Our son brought home a paper from school the other day to get us to go down on a Saturday and get into the Missouri CHIPS program. They want fingerprints, dental impressions and photographs to have on file to plug into the Amber Alert program just in case. Of course, they also say further down on the paper that the dental impression also collects enough saliva to have a DNA profile on file too. They ensure us that every bit of info is deleted. Trust us.

Note that even though a RFID chip is not mentioned, the name, CHIPS kinda points to where they are taking this, no?

It is also mentioned (several times) that this is PROUDLY sponsored by the Masons.

How much more transparent can you get? Sadly, they say 27,000 Missouri children are already enrolled in this 2 year old program. Don't fall for this crap folks!

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 11:22 AM

It looks like it is in style to bash friend-o, but don't kill the messenger. The real fact here that no one wants to say is the majority of the soldiers getting killed over there are not volunteer heros 'fighting the good fight.' The majority of soldiers getting killed (and maimed) over there are young men and women that joined the military because they really had no better prospects for them and they joined for college money or to stay out of jail, or to marry their sweetheart...whatever.

And yes, this was and is a War of Choice. 100%. Iraq was NOT a danger to us , they did not have any WMDs (not even the ones we gave them in the 1980s left) and they were NOT involved with 9/11.

No, I am not trying to besmirch anyone's legacy or death. I surely wish they weren't there and did not die so they could be here living their life with their friends.

What the hell is so bad with wanting our people to NOT DIE?

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 11:35 AM

farjar--my condolences for your loss. My husband and I were talking about our troops the other day. We both agree that whether you agree with the war or not, everyone should still support the troops. They are enlisted by choice for whatever reason, to defend our country, but they have no say so as to where they go. (Right?) They do a job for everyone in the country whether we like it or not. I would like to serve but don't have the guts to be honest.

-- Posted by OnTheFence on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 11:36 AM

Fajar154:

I just checked in and saw your sad announcement about your (our) fallen comrade-in-arms. Since I obviously don't personally know you and, therefore your friend, all I can do is what I do in spirit every time I hear of another who has given the ultimate sacrifice: I briefly pause my racing thoughts; try to imagine the most honorable formal ceremony for him; slowly render a sharp, button-line salute; lower the flag in my heart to half-mast...then, as we all must, I march on towards my own expected destiny. My condolences to you and your friend's family.

On second thought, I will attempt to pledge one more thing, in honor to your friend, albeit my patience has already been tested by Friend-O's Code Pinko-style insult. If I bother to opine anymore today (I think Melange deserves a nice reply), I will endeavor to stay rather "light-duty" per serious content &/or humor...since I do tend to have a dry, if not dark sense of humor at times. Even so, I consider myself the breed of Christian who "turns the other cheek" to test whether the assaulting fool is stupid enough to strike again, then the gloves come off. Have a peaceful, reflective day Fajar, no Burma Shave this time. Herr out.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 11:54 AM

JumpinJehova,you said

"young men and women that joined the military because they really had no better prospects for them and they joined for college money or to stay out of jail, or to marry their sweetheart...whatever

That is a huge assumption on your part!

By the way,you can't get a free pass out of jail if you join the military!Those days are long gone.This Country has sent troops to many Places to fight that have had no direct threat to US .Places that come to mind are Panama,Granada,Vietnam,Bosnia,Desert Storm(Iraq)and Africa.When you join the Military you can't pick and choose what conflict you engage in.If this were the case there would be NO military.Apparently you would prefer that we wait untill we are attacked directly here at home before we committ troops to fight for freedom.Well Freedom is not something that comes easy.I do understand your point but your philosophy in my opinion is dangerous in todays screwed up World.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 12:51 PM

jumpinjehova,

That may have been an accurate statement about Vietnam (the part of not having a choice) but not today. We have a professional armed services and the most professional and best in the world. Whether I agree or disagree with certain military conflicts is totaly irrelevant.

-- Posted by SWBG on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 1:12 PM

Since the recruting standards have been lowered to accomodate criminals and those with slight mental handicaps to meet their numbers, I'd say those 'good old days' of recruiting are back with a vengence.

Maybe I am a bit naive, but I think starting 'preventative' wars is only a veil for American Imperialism. We used to be (publically at least) the country that led by example, the shining light on the hill. Now we openly torture, start wars and generally impose our will around the world. We spy on our own citizens, quickly act to squash any dissention and are even taking DNA samples from people at traffic stops (read the news.)

And as for my assumptions, go ask around. It's not an assumption, it's just the way things are now. Especially now.

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 1:17 PM

It doesn't matter why someone chooses to join the military they all know when they do that they can end up in Iraq, Bosnia or where ever they have the choice then to go or not go. Yes it is a war of choice the choice they made to join the military and be a part of what it stands for. My father was in the military for 35 years fought in Vietnam and Desert Storm, both of my brothers were in Desert Storm and one is on his second tour in Iraq right now and we pray daily for his safe return but God forbid he doesn't come home I hope for their own sake no one is dumb enough to approach me or any other family memeber with his life was wasted. He is a soldier, he is proud of what he does and he is fighting for something that all though he might not understand he believes in. As I said before no one has to support this so called war but the soldiers aren't the war. They are sons, daughters, mothers, fathers, siblings in short they are human beings and they deserve to be treated with respect just as we do and anyone who can unselfishly put their life in danger for any cause is a hero as far as I am concerned.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 1:21 PM

SEMOANGEL,

Well put.

-- Posted by SWBG on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 1:24 PM

I am surely not meaning that we have an active draft (though it is gearing up to be re-implemented) I am saying that we have an implied draft that is making many of our young kids today see the military as their only job prospect. No, not all kids, but many. Many of those 'on the bubble' that can't afford to go to college. i.e. Not rich kids. This situation is certainly helped (not totally caused) by the way the system is exploitating the poor in this country.

Our military is still the best educated, best trained and most professional in the world.

They give us their lives in service to our country and it is our duty to make sure that we don't squander their lives for political or financial policies that are unnecessary for our protection.

I know that you want to twist this into somehow demeaning the troops, but I say this because I love our troops and would like to not see anymore of them being harmed. It is actually possible to support the troops and NOT be a war hawk.

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 1:25 PM

PUPS and Herr: Your comments were beautiful.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 1:27 PM

Short Bald

Thank you. I hate debates on the war and even more so I hate anyone running down the ones who join in the service. I for one am proud of them and thankful but of course as said it hits close to home here and I just pray daily that they all come home soon and no one else dies although know neither will happen.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 1:28 PM

semoangel, I know you probably cannot see this , but we are in agreement here.

I am not trying to 'run down' our troops. I am however strongly objecting (and will continue to) to the way in which they are being used. I support the troops, but I don't support the idiotic rulers that put them into harm's way. That's not just a Bush bash either. Both sides of the aisle signed off on this, illegally I might add.

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 1:37 PM

Jumpin

I know what you are saying I use to feel a lot like you until my brother went back over there however many people do let their resentment of the war carry on to the men and women that are fighting it. Didn't mean to jump down your throat I just get protective of family!

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 1:44 PM

Nope, my opposition of the war is complete, but none rests on the heads of the soldiers. They are my brothers and sisters too. I am a Gulf War I vet myself.

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 1:55 PM

As offensive as I find the comments of jumpinjehova and Friend O as well as jumpinjehova's attempts to crawdad and have it both ways, I am sure those who have given their lives and continue to fight for our freedoms would say, "Let them talk, that is what we fight for." Out of respect for our service personnel I will not say what I truly feel about them and their comments.

-- Posted by D'oh on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 2:40 PM

jumpinjehova,

Yes, I can tell just how deep your concern for our soldiers, their family and friends runs! You continued to protest endlessly when "begged" to wait just ONE day to honor a fallen soldier and one of our forum friends.

Yes, indeed you have a right to express your thoughts (and values) and that you did. Hopefully, you are extremely proud of yourself!

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 2:45 PM

jumpinjehova,

At no time will I ever question your love for our troops!My respect for you and your service remains unconditional.Just wanted to share with you my thoughts.You and I have been around these parts for quite some time now and I will always read your post and respect your opinions.Times are changing JumpinJ even in the Military.I will admitt

its been 35 years since I served and things may be as you say they are.This does scare me a bit however.The world is very small today and what happens anywhere on the planet does have an affect on all of us.

Do I pray for peace?absolutely!I look forward to a day when wars are no longer necessary.The realist in me tells me my time will be done way before this ever happens.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 2:45 PM

In Honor:

"...we do well to acknowledge the existence of heroes. They do not, as in ancient times, dwell on the mountaintops. Our heroes are those among us who, in putting aside all regard for themselves, act above and beyond the call of duty and in so doing give definition to patriotism and elevate all of us. Ideals such as peace, freedom, justice, opportunity and individualism are just dreams without someone to turn those dreams into reality. Let's never forget the debt that we owe to our fellow citizens. America is the home of the free because we are the home of the brave." - David Mahoney on Patriotism

-- Posted by John Baker on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 2:54 PM

News Flash:

Mitt is out of the race. =(

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 3:44 PM

Bethie, hehe...Where ya been, that happened hours ago. Unless he changed his status from suspended to completely out?

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 3:51 PM

ok here is the deal east prairie beat theme self tuesday night when caldwell overthrowed a long past portageville took advantage of the overthrow .

-- Posted by SABRINA WILLIAMS on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 4:44 PM

I was on the phone helping customers. :(

Makes me behind. LOL

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 6:21 PM

I read todays posts. Thank you.

Even those that turned this into a discussion of recruting standards and duality of man, I thank you.

I humbly ask for when the day comes that you feel a loss so close to home that you are extended the same honor that you showed Sgt Brad Skelton.

Integrety, is doing what is right, when no one is looking. They are only your opinions, I know, but sometimes you really should just STFU! (Translation:Shut The F*** Up)

-- Posted by fajar154 on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 7:14 PM

*hugz to Fajar*

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 7:17 PM

fajar154,

My heart goes out to you and all who loved Sgt Brad Skelton. You can't help but be moved with emotions as you read about this man and what he did for others. May God's peace rest upon all.

-- Posted by KingsKid on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 9:01 PM

Three things:

I am sorry a soldier died, his family, comrads, and friends will miss him, but thats what our soldiers sign up to do. Not go to college, not see the world, not for a job. To give their lives for our country, if necessary.

I have quit reading/responding to some posters-MJB, Jerry Fletcher, Friend-o, and now jumpinjehova. If you don't respond they will soon go away.

SuperB- suspended doesn't mean out; it just means he is not going to spend any more money until later. When McCain names Joe Liebermann as his VP I suspect Mitt will either blow up the convention with the super delegates turning to him as 'REALLY A CONSERVATIVE'' or go the Perot route. Run Independent and have the blessing of the talk radio crowd. McCain and Hucksterbee started the "anything goes politics" in their own party, but I think Romney will show them how to play in the major leagues...

But thats just MHO.

-- Posted by John in Jackson on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 9:28 PM

Hrm...

I just caught the article in passing. I thought it said he withdrew.

I'll look again..

and I definitely see your point.

I'm not fond of McCain...and I'll like him even less if he picks Lieberman to run with.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 9:43 PM

Sorry, not going away. Here to annoy the local yokels with a healthy dose of reality as much as possible.

I will say that my career directly "supports the troops," so let's get that out in the open. It is my job to help keep soldiers alive, and I take it very seriously. So if you're one of these folks with nothing but a magnetic ribbon and faux sympathy, shove off.

What I don't take seriously is the idea that Iraq has anything to do with our freedom here. We've had more liberties taken by our own government in the past six years than any Iraqi.

-- Posted by Friend-O on Thu, Feb 7, 2008, at 11:46 PM

Punk-O: Do humanity a favor. Suck eternal dirt.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Fri, Feb 8, 2008, at 2:04 AM

Herr -

What does that even mean?

Glad I've upset you. Must have hit a nerve with that "faux sympathy" bit.

-- Posted by Friend-O on Fri, Feb 8, 2008, at 8:52 AM

The farmer who is speaking about ethanol has an obvious bias and is incorrect.

-- Posted by Make no mistake about it on Fri, Feb 8, 2008, at 10:08 AM


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