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Speak Out 1/23/08

Wednesday, January 23, 2008

Ambulance care

I WANT to thank the Cape County Private Ambulance Service people for helping my son. Everyone was great, and he is doing fine now. I was panicked when the incident occurred, and the woman on the phone helped calm my other son down, which helped me. The paramedics got here fast and took good care of my son. Thank you.

Spending essentials

"CAPE GIRARDEAU is facing millions in upgrades to its own drinking water and sewage treatment systems over the next few years ... . That cost is estimated at around $15 million." Perhaps instead of wanting to raise (or even use) taxes to pay for recreational purposes, the city should concentrate on spending its money on the essentials. If a household needs a new furnace but wants a 54-inch flat-screen TV, which should be purchased? It's called "priorities."

Recognizing a problem

I WAS present when Nancy Jernigan of the United Way of Southeast Missouri asked her questions that have touched off a prolonged dialogue. She wasn't confrontational, nor were any obligations mentioned. Simply put, she asked what role the city and the chamber could play in addressing the issues facing our public schools and the community as a whole. I don't know about the LIFE initiative, but I am glad to hear the United Way is bringing significant amounts of grant money to begin tackling issues that are too big for any entity to take on alone. If we don't at least acknowledge the problems facing us, it will not be long before Cape Girardeau is related more to Cairo than Paradise.

Local pork

OINK, OINK. Cape Girardeau says it needs to raise taxes to work on the sewers, but it throws in a water park, perhaps more manpower, raises and who knows what else for the park system. This is local pork. It's the same way Congress sticks it to us every day.

Fresh French air

THE AIR is cleaner in France than any other industrialized nation, and that country's carbon dioxide emissions have been decreasing. How is France doing it? Clean and cheap nuclear energy. We should be building nuclear power plants. They would provide power for our homes as well as for electric cars in the future. We are being left behind and will become Third World if we don't act now.

Abortion rates

IN RESPONSE to the story "Wide range of women in U.S. get abortions; most have at least one child": Guttmacher Institute researcher Stanley Henshaw comments that abortion rates remain relatively high for black and Hispanic women, suggesting the need for wider availability of contraceptives such as IUD's that don't require attention as frequently as condoms or birth-control pills. What is he trying to say, and is his statement appropriate in today's PC world?

A teacher's worth

A PREVIOUS comment opposed Missouri House Speaker Rod Jetton's proposed raise in starting pay for teachers by saying teachers should "get a different, higher paying job." You can't pay me enough to teach. Teachers are worth every penny and more. It sickens me to think that well-qualified teachers are leaving the field due to financial concerns. This opens the door to less-qualified teachers. If this happens, what hope do our children have? As for the statistic that teachers make more money than half the people in Cape Girardeau County, I would say, "So what?" They also have twice the education than half of the people in the county. Who said teachers have to be lowly paid? We need good teachers. Let's pay them what they're worth.

It's just a bad dream

WITH THE possible death of Reaganism and its nefarious offshoot, neoconservatism, our long national nightmare may be nearing an end.

More than lip service

TEACHERS SHOULD be the highest paid of all professionals. Society does a good job of paying lip service to the crucial role of teachers and by patronizing them ad nauseam with various and sundry awards but never has and never will back it up with big bucks.

Teacher deductions

A TEACHER commented that he brings home less than he pays out in taxes, health care and other deductions. He must be putting a ton of money in a flex account or something like that. I am also a teacher, and after talking about this to more than 20 teachers in my building, we all agreed that these must be voluntary things he's paying out, not those required such as retirement and taxes. The highest percent being paid out by these 23 teachers, including flex plans and other options, was 32 percent. In fact, the teacher in question stated, "If you hear that a teacher is making $30,000 a year, that teacher is probably only taking home $18,000 to $20,000 after taxes, retirement, MSTA dues, health insurance etc." MSTA dues are optional. If a teacher is making $30,000 and bringing home $18,000, he's bringing home more than the 50 percent the writer claims. I've been teaching, and so has my husband, for 14 years. We contribute to a flex plan, buy optional family insurance and every other thing you can imagine, and we both still bring home around 76 percent of our gross pay.

East sides' problems

I AGREE that Cape Girardeau's east side for the most part is in horrendous shape despite some spotty efforts at revitalization. If downtown is to improve, the major routes into downtown must be addressed. Sprigg Street and Broadway have to be two of the ugliest main routes of any town in the U.S. With few exceptions, there is little worthy of historic preservation. Some of the streets into Southeast Missouri State University near Houck Stadium are also eyesores and leave terrible impressions with visiting teams and their guests. While Cape Girardeau has its positives for living, anyone who thinks Cape is a pretty town hasn't been to many downtowns across the country.

Ads in Spanish

IT WAS disappointing to read that some political candidates are running ads in Spanish. Isn't English one of the requirements to obtain legal citizenship (which presumably is necessary in order to vote)? If so, why have ads in a foreign language? If not, then why isn't English a requirement?

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I guess what I tired to say in my last post about the economy, yesterday, is that the globalists became consumed by their initial profits and allowed that to develope in to an unrestrained wallowing in greed lust.

Our situation is very, very serious. It could be overcome, but our corporate culture, their hold upon our politicans, will not allow the necessary curative measures take place, because they are convinced that they can still milk more money out of the American economy.

Good paying, manufacturing jobs have to return.

The corporations will have to make due on more sales, but less overall profit. American companies used to make quality products. The American people insisted upon it. The corporation was as interested in making quality products, perhaps more so, than in making huge corporate profits and paying out big dividends.

Somewhere, along the line, that all changed. The corportaion was no longer interested in making quality products, and instead, focused on making huge profits and paying huge dividends to the investor. In fact, I understand that there is a law on the books that requires the corporation to look out for the investor above all esle. Can't mnake a decent quality product, pay a living wage and "keep the investor's interest paramount," because it is the investors interest that wins out every time.

Greed is rampant in America, it is greed that is destroying America.

It is not the home owner who is responsible for the subprime mess either, but that is another story, for another time.

-- Posted by Brill on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 1:14 AM


you said.

"However: if Macy's sells a sweater for $75 that cost $5 to make overseas...then if it costs $25 to make in America, wouldn't they then raise their price of the sweater to $95? Not good figures, I know, but you get the point?"

I see your point, and I am sure that many others think along these lines as well.

My point is, do we owe the corporation a profit level that they,themselves have set, not the market?

If they can sell that sweater for $95, God Bless them. If on the other hand, that the price point of $75 sticks in our minds and that is what we are willing to pay, could the corporation get buy on a profit of $50 per sweater, instead of the $70 per sweater that they were making?


You see that in every sale that they run. Especially, end of season sales.

For instance. A pair of popular name brand slacks at KOHLS sells for $50. Often, they are marked down to $25, during a sale. The slacks are made in Vietnam at 30 cents an hour.

The maker of the slacks and every other ON SALE item demonstrates that they can get buy quite well on a smaller margin of profit in that item. Happens every day, at least, every week in America.

These globalists are so greedy, that they are top pricing everything that they make or have made in third world nations, but they are willing to take less, and to make less when it is necessary to move the goods. The market will decide the ultimate price point.

I am very afraid that Americans, so accustomed to the "WANT IT NOW, BUY IT NOW, JUST CHARGE IT" mentality, will soon hang themselves in on the tree of credit card debt. When that happens, and they stop buying like they have been, see what price the corporation will take for that sweater. We are digging our own financial grave in America, and the problem is, we have so many helpers doing the job.

-- Posted by Brill on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 1:26 AM

Jimmy Stewart ALERT

Jimmy Stewart in HARVEY. FIVE Star rated, 1950 classic airs on Turner Classic Movies 5:15pm today. Set your VCR, computer, TIVO, or, dvd recorder to capture HAVREY. TCM is Charter Cable channel 39.

You'll never eat rabbit again.

-- Posted by Brill on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 1:48 AM

The FEDERAL RESERVE, which is not a fedreal agency, but a private group of banks that control our monetary policy, cut the rate to 3.5 percent on Tuesday.

Remember the good ole days, when your bank gave you 5% for a passbook savings account? What are they paying today?

This cut will most likely weaken the dollar even futher. There may be a momentary rebound in the markets, but nothing proposed or done at this point, including the so-called STIMULUS PACKAGE will have a long term effect, in my opinioin.

-- Posted by Brill on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 2:10 AM

Fletcher, I think I have the answer! Well, you must consider I get more stupid than usual as the hours get later...

Let's all stop buying all those things we don't need! Kind of a nationwide protest against...well, everything. No new sweaters at ANY price, because last year's sweater still fits, and although it may be out of style, is still usable. No new flat-screen TV when the old clunky one still works? Guess that concept is too off-the-wall, though, for the American consumer to consider. I'm as guilty sometimes as anyone, though, so don't take me too seriously. I LOVE new sweaters!

And yes, if we looked back at Depression Era stories, we might see that we actually can survive without continually spending money. Maybe having been poor growing up (more poor than today's standard of "poor," because poor back then meant having no phone, no car, hand-me-down clothes, and tons of beans, weiners, and powdered milk), and struggling to rise into the middle-class as an adult, gives me a somewhat different perspective on things?

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 2:11 AM

Probably very few of us, including today's high school seniors or college students, could pass the late-1800's 8th grade final exam that I have. Yet back then, and into the 1900's, teachers were paid paltry wages. What happened here?

One thing that is confusing is: What's the difference between a "well-qualified" and a "less-qualified" teacher? When they receive their 4-year degrees, they are all qualified to teach, aren't they? No doubt someone has the answers to these questions.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 2:25 AM


One of the components of the presidents stimulus plan includes a tax incentive for businesses who create jobs.

Fine, but is that tax incentive limited to businesses who hire Americans, or, will the business get a tax incentive for hiring illegals, Mexican "contract" employees, or, those on H-1B Visas?

Since you can't trust these politicians, just thought that I would ask.

-- Posted by Brill on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 2:29 AM


you said.

"Let's all stop buying all those things we don't need! Kind of a nationwide protest against...well, everything. No new sweaters at ANY price, because last year's sweater still fits, and although it may be out of style, is still usable. No new flat-screen TV when the old clunky one still works?"

I do hope that Mr. Gurusmom realises that he has a gem.

-- Posted by Brill on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 2:32 AM


Looks like Monday was a very interesting in Iraq.

-- Posted by Brill on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 2:40 AM

TWILIGHT ZONE mini-marathon today

Beginning at 0700 to 03:00pm, the Sci-Fi channel will be showing hour long versioins of the old Twilight Zone.

SCI-FI is Charter Cable Channel 18.

-- Posted by Brill on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 2:43 AM

Well, wouldn't you know it, Cape is trying to zone in the county. The city cannot even provide timely inspections in the city proper and now they want to grab two miles of border land. I hope the land owners resist this in every way.

-- Posted by conservababe on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 2:59 AM

Severe shortages show up in Cape Girardeau stores!

Okay, "severe" is a relative term, and I might be guilty of hyping it a bit.

I went on a quest for DVD sleeves Tuesday evening. Best Buy was OUT, Cape Wal-MART was OUT, as, was my favorite place to buy them, Big Lots.

SAMS in Cape and Marion, have stopped carrying VHS tapes. I would have to go to SAMS in Jonesboro, Ar, or, a St. Louis store to buy the 8 hour Maxell 10 pack of VHS tapes. Wal-MART carries the crappy RCA brand of VHS tape made in Communist China. I say crappy, becasue the glue used on the spine labels was made from water water and air. They begin to curl, instantly. The DURABRAND tape is made in Korea. Either my home machine doesn't like it and snags the very last inches of the tape when it is done Either that, or, I need to clean the machine, or, replace the drive belt.

Durabrand and RCA are both 6 hour tapes, whereas the Maxell T-160 is an 8 hour tape. price is within a few pennies, and I do prefere the Maxell tape. It, too, is made in Korea. Sony tapes are made in Mexico, are 6 hours, and are priced the same as RCA and the Maxells. I find them at Big Lots, and used to at Wal-Mart.

I remmeber buying VHS tapes when the cheapest tape that I could find was $18 bucks each. Many tapes were priced between $22-$25 each. Some were American made, some were foreign made, all were priced the same because the market, and supply and demand set the price. in the late 70's, and early 80's.

-- Posted by Brill on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 2:59 AM

Firmly against zoning in the county. It is a nationwide move to get more control over our lives.

No one wants to mind their own business anymore. Someday, some Americans are going to teach them a lesson that will correct this bad behavior.

Those Homeland Security requested, Haliburton built, concentration camps in the US aren't for the illegals. The Bush regime figured correctly that there may be something that the people will want to say, when they competely blow-out our economic system and try to take further control.

I must say, it is happening a little faster than what I had originally susptected that it would.

-- Posted by Brill on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 3:03 AM

Abortion rates, Your "quote" reminds me of some I have read in the media, editing an individual's statements to best fit your PC position. Even so, I discerned that Guttmacher Institute researcher Stanley Henshaw, merely stated statistics and proposed possible solutions to a well known social issue.

-- Posted by coke zero on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 5:38 AM

I remember when the Broadway Theatre offered $1.00 movies; it was great and I thought a lot of people took advantage of it. That theatre and the old Esquire both look horrible and if renevated could probably be a lucrative investment for someone considering the university is nearby.

-- Posted by sosassy on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 6:22 AM

Teacher deductions:

You say that MSTA dues are optional, but only a fool would walk into a classroom and teach without the liability insurance that MSTA provides. Besides, if you have chosen NOT to be a part of MSTA, you still reap the benefits of their advocacy without paying your fair share.

As far as insurance goes, no I am not putting a ton of money into a flex account. I have a family---have you checked the rates on health care premiums for a family lately?

If you questioning my credibility, I will be glad to meet with you somewhere and show you my check stub. Then, perhaps we could sit down for lunch---I'll buy the crow.

-- Posted by billfoster on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 6:52 AM

A teacher's worth & More than lip service:

Thank you. Glad to know that some people "get it."

-- Posted by billfoster on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 6:54 AM

Ads in Spanish

Because it's the PC thing to do.

By the way,Saw a billboard that said:

"Need help ?... call Jesus."


...Out of curiosity I did.

A Mexican showed up with a tow truck.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 6:59 AM

gurusmon in answer to your question about techers being "qualified". Last quarter my daughter came home with progress reports, in Algebra the class average was only a 58.56% which is a F. This teacher was more interested in spending his time on his own than teaching Algebra so instead he called off an assignment at the beginning of class and the kids had to teach themselves to me this is an "unqualified" teacher. Thankfully they are less like him than more.

-- Posted by semoangel70 on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 7:22 AM

billfoster, I would suspect nuit de trois chiens aka a teacher would get it. (More than lip service)

-- Posted by coke zero on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 7:40 AM

Help please. Does anyone have Vista?

-- Posted by conservababe on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 8:11 AM


"Don't Fear the Flying Monkeys"

in the style of Blue Oyster Cult

to be played to the tune of

"Don't Fear the Reaper"


Sorry but that's what's in my mind when Pups confirmed that Flying Monkeys are indeed scary from last nights posts. LOL

And Swan...I vote no to 6,000 min movies! LOL

As for teachers and qualifications--

There is a flaw in the system. I don't buy that someone with 6 hours of history is qualified to teach "social studies" when 6 hours won't even get you a minor!! It needs revamped...that 6 hours doesn't even touch the 40+ I have for the major.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 8:14 AM

oh no, Babe..

it's bad when it starts out like that.

I don't have Vista--my comp guy has told me no..that's it's not a truly stable operating system.

I hope someone else can help!

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 8:15 AM


Sorry just because someone has lots of credit hours in a subject does not mean they know how to teach. Give me a good teacher any day over someone with credit hours but does not know how to teach students.

-- Posted by SWBG on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 8:25 AM

Sorry Babe,

Not familiar with the Vista. Even the hospital didn't go with that one.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 8:33 AM

I understand your point. However--from that viewpoint many great college professors wouldn't be great teachers (which they are--they teach). And they don't hold education degrees---they have degrees in their field.

However--I'm not saying they don't need a balance. I'm saying a better balance is needed. Sitting through a 2 semester American History class does not make you qualified to teach in-depth history--including world history and other subjects that weren't taken.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 8:36 AM

I've been pleased with Vista so far. But I cannot seem to find a way to delete some of my favorites. grrrrrr!

-- Posted by conservababe on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 8:38 AM


A grasp of teaching is more then credit hours. Appologize if this gets long, but let me relate a story from my college days.

I took a class called, "Basic Math for Educators" when I was going to college. It was basically a class to teach you how to teach math in Grade Schools. A class to make math fun for the kids. You also had to crasp math in order to pass this class. I sat next to two very nice older women who I found out were already teachers (I was 19, they were in their 40's). They could not pass the class because they couldn't do the math (we are talking basic fractions, percentages and such that you learn in Elementary School). It was kind of scary to realize that they were responsible for teaching students a subject that they couldn't grasp.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 8:46 AM


I'm assuming the Vista won't let you right click on the Favorite and delete?

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 8:48 AM

Spending essentials...

Government spending has little to do with priorities or the needs of the citizenry.

-- Posted by Tom_Grey on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 8:51 AM


Sorry, meant to say in your Favorite dropdown box. Not sure Vista has that option because not to familar with it. Not trying to be a smart butt.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 8:51 AM

And I recognize that as well. It just seems from my experiences that many teachers would benefit from extra "core" subject courses. If they had the experience that comes with "core" math courses--they would have had no problems with basic math.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 8:51 AM

babe, I had an issue this morning, an accidental click of the mouse made me tool bars disappear. Anyway, found a solution by typing in a google search, a helpful hint came up. You might try googling your issue.

-- Posted by coke zero on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 8:57 AM


Years of working the evening shift. Have learned to survive on about 5-6 hours of sleep a night. Actually, I'm a morning and a night kind of person. It's that mid afternoon that kicks my butt. LMAO

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 9:01 AM


Those accidental mouse clicks can be a b*tch can't they?? LOL I have to deal with that at work as well as people that flip thier screens upside down and side ways. Pretty simple to fix though. Hey, was the fix hitting f11 on your pc? Or did you have to go to 'toolbar' option?

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 9:05 AM


Oh, I don't work all night. I was leaving work last night when I said i had to go. But usually can't go to bed when I get home, so up till between 1 and 3 am. thats why sometimes I post late.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 9:07 AM

I need a nap already. =/

I do think it is an example of pork to tack a water park onto sewer improvements.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 9:13 AM

Pups, The upper explorer toolbar disappeared except when I moused over it. And when I went to look for file, view, favorites etc...they were gone all together. Solution was hitting the Alt key and enter at the same time (which also reduced minimized the window, but my toolbars were permanently back in view and I could easily maximize the window again).

The 25-30 minutes of mousing over, drove me nuts. I was getting a bit frantic (about ready to solicit Speakout techie advise), as I like to see those toolbars and use them often.

-- Posted by coke zero on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 9:20 AM


Well I here if you ever need tech support. Though I might not be able to fix, I'll always try. :-)


No napping on the job. LOL

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 9:26 AM

Pups, My best computer "issue" story happened while assisting dear mom with an installation of a printer. Should have been a very simple task, (as I keep explaining to mother, just put the disc in and click ok, over and over and over, but she will not install anything. So she has me, her illiterate designated computer program installer do it.) Anyway, back to installing the printer, clicking ok, ok, ok, reboot...language ended up in UK...ended up reformatting the dang computer for her. There was an error in the printer installation disc. Only my mom would have that kind of chance luck with her computer. NOW, I know she will never install a program. Will share her internet virus and worm stories another time.

-- Posted by coke zero on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 9:30 AM

I'm tryin my best, Pups...

I've only got...oh..all day to go. ROFL

Swan--I can kind of see having sewers and parks be a dept...but it doesn't sound like they were advertising the increase for anything other than sewer improvements. I hate when they don't include all the information--it seems dishonest to me.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 9:38 AM


Thanks! I knew that but I was having a senior moment. This laptop is confusing at times because of things I used to do by rote on a regular desktop keyboard.

Anyway, all is well now.

-- Posted by conservababe on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 9:41 AM

Pups, btw...Thanks, hope I don't have to take you up on the techie help offer, but nice to know you are there...just in case. HUGS!

Babe, Glad your issue is resolved. Hope your knee is doing okay. These cold snaps are kind of killers on older joint injuries or arthritis.

-- Posted by coke zero on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 9:52 AM

Pork indeed,

The sewer and parks project is a classic case of trying to appease several segments of the population to get a tax passed. The sewer problems affect only a small number of voters however is likely viewed as more of a necessity.

The parks may affect a wider range of voters but is likely viewed as a luxury.

I too agree that these type issues should be broken down to individual votes. I think that could increase accountability as well.

-- Posted by SWBG on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 10:18 AM

You're welcome Babe. And we all have our 'senior moments'. Well, maybe not Bethie cause she's still a babe. *wink*


I totally understand. Sometime the simplest of tasks with a pc can be frustrateing.


You mentioned a project last night. Curious as to what it is. And if I can help, just ask. Love sharing movie knowledge if I can.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 10:20 AM


Call OPEC and see if you can get them to drop the price of oil back under $50 a barrel.

-- Posted by SWBG on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 10:20 AM

LOL..I have a lot of "senior" moments lately..

I also can't manage to hold onto anything--I'm constantly dropping stuff.

I feel very very klutzy and not graceful at all lately. LOL.

It's gonna get worse before it gets better.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 10:27 AM


Having to pick up all that stuff you are dropping is good practice for all the stuff (that is not nailed down) that you will be picking up when the new addition to the family arrives.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 10:34 AM


Should not have to call OPEC!

Just need to reduce the taxes on gasoline and diesel fuel.This lost revenue could be offset by keeping our billions in foriegn aid

here at home instead of feeding corrupt and greedy Governments.

As for the Parks and sewer Tax the City is wanting to collect I sure hope those of us who do not support it get off our butts and VOTE!It was just last year the Library issue was on the early ballot and very few voters cared enough to vote!This new sales tax issue is not needed nor should it pass!Sales tax is already too high in Cape.This City has 35k citizens give or take and its Parks are certainly in good shape.As for sewers,this issue should be seperate from the parks issue!Infrastructure is important and sewers need upgrading.This however,has nothing to do with water parks and golf couses!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 10:36 AM

LOL Librule

Swan--I think both measures could be used together to stimulate the economy. They may not be able to cut gas by $1 a gallon--but they could definitely choose to reduce federal fuel taxes--which are at least 50 cents of what you pay. Then states could decide if pressured to reduce their additional 25 cent or more fuel tax--and you'd be getting close to the $1.

It's not all on the shoulders of OPEC.

It has less to do with fuel cost and more to do with ridiculous taxes.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 10:37 AM


We have a winner! Do you suppose the government would lower taxes on fuel to stimulate the ecomomy? Do pigs fly?

-- Posted by conservababe on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 10:42 AM


I predict they will do it when and only when the Flying Monkeys actually attack.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 10:44 AM

I just received my first political push poll. It was a darn good one, too, for Huckabee. I thought he was running out of money.

-- Posted by conservababe on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 10:51 AM

As long as the American public is willing to pay $3 per gallon, it will remain at $3 per gallon. If it gets raised to $4 per gallon and we continue to pay it, it will remain at $4 per gallon. Why would they lower the price when we continue to purchase and consume gasoline at record levels?

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 10:53 AM


you are right about that. However our entire economy has become dependent on cheap oil. It would be nice to say "Stop buying gasoline and the price will come down."

I do not know how, in the short run, to stop buying gasoline. Look how many people commute to work. This si a big country. Hard to get goods across it without gasoline.

That is why in the long run perhaps this crunch will be good for the country. Maybe innovation will persevere once the artificial disnincentives of the current regime is out to pature.

-- Posted by SWBG on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 11:11 AM

True. My hubby and I figured people would be rioting in the street over gas cost by now...

and that was back when it went up to $1.15 for the first time. (I was still in high school.)

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 11:11 AM


you use the word "willing" as if everyone is stupid!In my post I never mentioned to

lower prices!I said,to do away with the Federal and State taxes!!Big difference.I even offered an idea on how to offset the lost revenue.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 11:26 AM

short white bald guy, I have no means to back this statement up, but I would make an educated guess that consumers could indeed cut their gas consumption in 1/2. How many folks actually "think" before they start their car? I'd say the hill billies (in honor of missing Hilleco's post) do more so than the folks in town.

-- Posted by coke zero on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 11:41 AM


I am sure there could be a reduction in consumption if people tried. However 1/2 is a way overestimate. The type of vehicles in this country has much to do about it as well. My point being is that our dependence will not go away by wishing it to. Our economy is tied to oil.

-- Posted by SWBG on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 11:47 AM

I can also see some viewpoints that if you've worked and earned your money and you want to drive to the lake every weekend---

that's your prerogative...

I think it would be more effective to push tax cuts than to try to shove a totally different lifestyle down the throats of consumers.

If you aren't a particularly "green" person--then you want to be able to travel without having the government and lobbyists try to tell you that you are a horrible person for wanting to travel or just get in your car and drive around.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 11:57 AM

short baldy, Bethie & Librule, I could be wrong about the amount of "optional" consumption. My statement was not an attempt to force a lifestyle, but was an option one could choose. (And if enough chose it for a period of time, prices might decline.)

***POLL***What percentage of your driving is for leisure? (Assuming you could pick up necessities on trips to and fro work. And the kids could ride the bus.)

-- Posted by coke zero on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 12:07 PM

I'll start...my lifestyle is a bit odd as I have done my work and education from my home for the last 6 years, but I could safely say 50-60% of my ventures are leisure.

-- Posted by coke zero on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 12:15 PM

I wasn't even trying to pick on anyone.

I was just ranting about lobbyists. LOL.

I'd say probably 30% of our driving is leisure. We spend more time at home than a lot of folks average. The rest is going to and from work.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 12:30 PM


I would say 10%-15%. I rarely drive anywhere unless I have too. Saturday mornings to the grocery. Sundays to church. Occasional run to Andy's for frozen custard. Then the few times a year trips out of town.

-- Posted by SWBG on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 12:31 PM


You got me all wrong there brother. I agree about the taxes on gas. Was just making a statement about how consumption/demand affects prices. Manufacturers/Producers will charge the maximum amount that the consumer is willing to pay, and as of now, we have let OPEC, Oil Companies, Wall Street, and our gov't know that we are willing to continue paying $3+ for gasoline.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 12:37 PM

Now I'm hungry for custard, SWBGuy...


I can see a friday night drive thru at Culver's in my future. *grinz*

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 12:38 PM

I think we forget that fuel is not the only product of oil. Manufacturing uses oil, too.

-- Posted by conservababe on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 12:39 PM

How is Culver's custard. I think it would be hard to beat Andy's...at least according to my wife.


Saw on the news about one of those big grocery chains eliminating plastic bags. I tend to use plastic but can adapt to paper. Lots of oil used to make plastics. However a lot of trees to make paper. Man what a delima.

-- Posted by SWBG on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 12:44 PM

I love love love Culver's custard.

My favorite was Illustrious Jack's..but they closed.

Andy's doesn't have the really "custard-y" flavor and constitency to me. It's more like ice cream.

The gelato at Cosmo's is good too.

ROFL..I sound like an ice cream connoisseur....but I don't really eat it ALL the time.

I just like it lately and only allow myself a small about every three weeks or so. LOL

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 12:50 PM

I like the burgers at Culvers. Just talking about it will put on weight though. Will have to try the custard some time. It has been busy there since they opened.

-- Posted by SWBG on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 12:58 PM

The hamburgers are good. I know a lot of people were complaining on the business blog about the style of restaurant....but it has really good food for it's price.

I'd much rather go there and get a hamburger if we were going out to a movie than to eat another pretend one at McDonalds.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 1:02 PM

Kirby's in Sikeston

Coming up on 100 yrs in business, and still the best greasy spoon burgers on the planet.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 1:09 PM


The highest paid professionals? Please! More eauitable pay? Yes!

For the most part if you work in the service industry or are a helping professional you will not get paid according to your worth.

-- Posted by SWBG on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 1:11 PM

Kirby's is good. Worked in Sikeston for 15 years. Better pack a toothbrush or those onions will stick with you for a while.

Back in the 90's there was a little bar down town called Griffins. It was across from Socials Cafe and is now a lawyers office. They made great burgers.

-- Posted by SWBG on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 1:14 PM

Hmm..I will have to watch for that place.

I haven't been to Sikeston very many times..

and I have a penchant for going to Lamberts the once a year that my mom and I go down to shop. =_

(even though I can never hope to eat my whole meal..LOL)

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 1:20 PM

librule, The planet eh, you have eaten a lotta burgers. hehe

Ice cream, Edy's Rock Road, next best thing to Baskin' Robins. (Oh man, I'm a missing Black Bottem Pies--Chocolate & Mocha Ice Cream, Oreo Crust, trimmed with fudge and almonds.)

Who started the ice cream cravings? Shame on you! LMAO

Bethie, Since I'm older, I will teach you how to do this. Call babe before he leaves work, and say "Honeyyyyyyy, would you pleeeeeease stop and pick me up a hot fudge sundae?" Works most of the time. ~giggle~

-- Posted by coke zero on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 1:20 PM

Bethie, After several months of practice and you have "honed" the skill, you might even be able to persuade babe to get redressed and go out in the cold. hehe

-- Posted by coke zero on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 1:24 PM


You can look at my gut and ask if I've eaten a lot of burgers? Might want to get those eyes checked.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 1:24 PM

Librule, Don't think I've ever had to get my 'guns' (still missing you Hilleco) out for someone picking on themselves before! Now be nice!

-- Posted by coke zero on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 1:26 PM


He would stop.

I've just been trying to be careful to enjoy all things in moderation. *grinz*

So I won't let myself ask him 3 days a week to stop and get me an ice cream.

If I'm buying it to keep at home...

I will usually get a really small Ben & Jerry's or Haagan-Daas. Then I can't eat too much of it. LOL

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 1:28 PM

Anyone know, is there a flu going around that causes mainly intermittent nausea that lingers for days?

-- Posted by coke zero on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 1:33 PM

I think he's crazy, Melange...

he's imagining a gut.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 1:33 PM


Bethie could tell you that is called morning sickness.

But seriously I had the flu without nausea. I believe there are at least 2 strains going around. Flu shot may have helped against one but not the other.

-- Posted by SWBG on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 1:44 PM

LOL--well..yah..could be morning sickness.

We had the flu at our house--both bouts were bad..but I've been feeling intermittently bad for the last couple days after hubby's bout of flu passed. I wouldn't think it was an outrageous idea. There have been lots of viruses going around here at work and with everyone's kids.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 1:47 PM

short white bald guy, Flu shot...I didn't get one this year. Me bad! Quite sure I don't have Bethie's type of sickness! (laughing=no=crying=no=laughing)

-- Posted by coke zero on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 1:54 PM


eerily quiet..

everyone must be out eating ice cream. =(

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 2:44 PM

Babe, You mentioned the 2 mile P/Z issue way earlier. I decided to call the county collector for clarification about property taxes in the 2 mile zone. It appears, unless the City annexes a portion of this 2 mile area, the property owners taxes will NOT be effected. I don't see a down-side to this issue. (You can see my other thoughts on the article.)

-- Posted by coke zero on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 2:48 PM


What does this mean?

"Gordon fears annexation would raise his property taxes to the point of making them "a burden." He doesn't think the city would extend services to his home.

Hopkins said property taxes are not as high as some people think. The owner of a home worth $100,000 pays about $76 in property taxes to the city."

-- Posted by conservababe on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 3:16 PM

melange, it appears that you and I each read something different in the abortion Speak Out. I thought the caller was doing a tongue-in-cheek comment about Henshaw mentioning Blacks & Hispanics in about the same breath as he mentioned IUD's, which seemed like he was pretty much implying those groups of women aren't intelligent enough to be trusted to use birth control pills or condoms.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 3:34 PM

298 point gain on the Dow---

apparently closer to 600 in total.


-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 3:47 PM

babe, Those were the comments that prompted me to call the county collector's office. It means if the City ANNEXES (not the zoning issue being discussed), then city taxes would be assessed. As far as the county collector's office knows at this time.

Someone* should to be checking out the state regulation to see if the provision that allows the City to reach beyond the city limits with regard to P/Z, ALSO allows for taxation.

*Someone is not me, perhaps the media? Either way, it would good information for the public to know for sure.

-- Posted by coke zero on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 4:04 PM

gurusmom, NO, we took the Speakout comment the same way. My point, I think the original comment had been edited/ spliced/taken out of context. I couldn't find the original piece, so don't know for sure.

-- Posted by coke zero on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 4:07 PM

Alright yall, this talk of Culvers made me want to try their Butter Burgers. So I called and ask if I can order one medium-rare. There is only two places in Cape that will make one. Here is our conversation.

Me...Can I order a burger medium-rare?

Her...What is that?

Me...A lot of pink inside.

Her...Oh no, we would never do that.

Me...But I want one really pink.

Her...(shouting to co-workers) Can we make a pink burger?

Co-worker...(in background) No.

Her...Yes, I can make you one.

Me...Are you sure?


Two to one I'll get a burnt burger because they are not allowed to cook them above medium well. This is a pet peeve of mine. I want what I ordered after I've asked. I mean, how easy can it be to give correct information and deliver an order correctly?

My word, they're not handling life support systems as I did.

Sorry for the rant and am donning my abestos underwear in anticipation of the flaming. giggle

-- Posted by conservababe on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 4:13 PM

babe, Perhaps you could draft a liability wavior and submit it signed with your payment. ~giggle~

-- Posted by coke zero on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 4:17 PM


I know what you mean. When I order a steak when I eat out, I order it med-rare. The staffer will always say, "You do realize that med-rare is red inside?" I always want to say,"Really??? I had no idea!!" Like I haven't been ordering med-rare my whole life. I know what it means just like I know what it means when I order eggs over-easy.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 4:19 PM

semoangel: Thanks for the qualified teacher explanation. Qualifications probably should mean more than just "book-learning". And Algebra...I totally cried over Algebra almost every night!

PUPS: I'm bad, too, with basic fractions, percentages! Missed out on most of the lessons in the transition from here to Germany. Same thing happened in English, learning outlining. (Do they still teach that? I thought it was the best sentence-structure aid ever--when I finally figured it all out.)

The newest tax proposal: Possible that the City wanted money for the "parks" projects that some people were insisting on, but realized there was a slim chance it would pass...so the sewer was tacked onto it? When it comes to a governmental agency wanting something, anything, you can rest assured there will be psychology employed to convince everyone that what they want is what the people need.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 4:21 PM


I have already offered to do that, really.

As you probably know, the only relatively safe way to eat a hamburger rare is to grind it yourself or rely on a place that grinds their own. So far, I have found that only Outback and Ruby Tuesdays do that and can offer rare hamburgers. Food Giant is the only grocer I know that grinds their own daily.

-- Posted by conservababe on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 4:25 PM


The difference with you having a problem with math and those I mentioned earlier is you aren't responsible for teaching children those areas of Math. These women were. Kind of hard to explain to a child that their problem with math is because the teacher doesn't know it.

Side note, something tells me you sat down with my 'siblings' when they needed help with their homework. :-)

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 4:29 PM


Logan's and Texas Roadhouse will let you order med-rare burgers. Don't know if they grind it themselves, but they will serve it anyway you wish. Just be prepared for the statement/question about you being sure you want it that way.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 4:31 PM

babe, Gosh Darn, the Powers That Be just won't let us have a good bout of anymore. What is the heck is this country coming too? LMAO (Sorry, I don't mean to make fun of your frustration.)

-- Posted by coke zero on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 4:34 PM

Is anyone going to talk of nu-clear (as President Bush says) power that was mentioned in SO? St Louis has one and why don't we? Do we buy power from them?

-- Posted by conservababe on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 4:34 PM

Correction...bout of ecoli anymore...hehe, helps to include all the words.

-- Posted by coke zero on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 4:35 PM

OKay, my comments are not making sense, too much flu medicine. I will see you guys tomorrow.

-- Posted by coke zero on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 4:37 PM


If the restraunt serves fresh meat or eggs, ecoli should not be an issue.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 4:38 PM


Uh huh...I hear you. But Logans and Road House will take your order and then serve it medium. I send it back and get the same. Bless their hearts.

-- Posted by conservababe on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 4:39 PM

PUPS, Ecoli...isn't the usual cause of contaminant in the grinding process, like Babe suggested?

-- Posted by coke zero on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 4:40 PM


Must be the server or the Manager needs to speak with the cook. I haven't experienced my burger being med. I've even grossed out my eating companions because my burger is closer to rare then med. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 4:41 PM


I think the ecoli has to be present before grinding to be in the ground beef. But I could be wrong.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 4:42 PM

melange: Did a search...January 19, Headline exactly what the caller put in parentheses. Here's the copy/paste of what he/she must have been referring to:

One of the Guttmacher's top researchers, Stanley Henshaw, said the recent drop may disguise the fact abortion rates remain relatively high for black and Hispanic women. He believes the most effective countermeasure would be wider availability of contraceptives such as intrauterine device, or IUDs, that don't require attention as frequently as condoms or birth-control pills.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 4:54 PM

Gosh, yes, PUPS...I learned a LOT sitting down with the kids during homework (and not all of it had to do with lessons, either)! Sometimes (rarely) I miss those days/times...looking back, it wasn't all as hard as I thought it was at the time. ;) Pops & I discuss having a baby together now & then, but we haven't decided yet.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 5:03 PM

Oh, PUPS...your "sister" always orders her steaks rare, and always tacks on "just warm it up a little." I don't know about my kids...I do NOT want to eat a steak that winces in pain when I poke my fork into it! Rare burger? No way...reminds me of old vampire movies. LOL

-- Posted by gurusmom on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 5:10 PM


Well if you and Pops have a child I will volunteer free babysitting. ;)

I know lots will disagree with me, but there is more flavor in steaks and burgers cooked no further then medium/medium-rare. I must distract a friend with conversation when ever I have dinner with a her at Logans. Her family used to raise and butcher beef and swears that she will never eat anything cooked below well. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 5:24 PM

Don't know if Bethie would agree, but nothing wrong with the old Vampire movies. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 5:25 PM

LOL..I love vampires. And vampire movies.


Although I get kinda grossed out once we get into the medium rare meat. I don't order it..and I try not to look at it. Makes me wonder if it's gonna come out with a leash and a sword...

or if I could just slap medical paddles on it and it'd get up and walk off. ROFL

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 5:58 PM


Have you read Anne Rice? And if so, were you dissappointed in the movie 'Queen of the Damned'? Since we're discussing Vampires. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 6:59 PM

I have read some Anne Rice--particularly Pandora and Interview with the Vampire. I have the entire vampire chronicles in one book that I'm about to read when I finish my Laurell K. Hamilton vampire series.

I actually liked how Queen of the Damned portrayed the vampires---their mannerisms--their sex appeal. They managed to make them modern without making them cheesy. I was initially puzzled by that version of Lestat...primarily because it was hard for me to remove the Tom Cruise version from Interview from my mind (which I saw long before I read the books).

I'd say my very favorite vampire out of the books is Marius..he just so dang nasty and civilized. I think it'd be hard to avoid him in a room. In fact--one of our wildcard names for the baby (we didn't pick it) was Marius (my choice) Apollo (his choice--from the Rocky movies). We decided to hold onto that one until a later date. LOL

Have you read any Laurell K. Hamilton?

Are you a big reader? We could chat books all day---I read ALL kinds..all the time. LOL..I'm such a dork!

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 7:48 PM


I kind of stick with the Sci-fi/Star Trek area of reading. Though I enjoy Anne Rice and Marion Zimmer-Bradley. I also have a fascination with biographies of Royal families of Europe and Russia. Oh and I have been known to read Stephen King. Wow, guess I'm a little more diverse then I thought. LOL

Is Laurell K. Hamilton the author of, and forgive me if I get this wrong, the Bear Clan/ Wolf Clan kind of story lines?

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 7:57 PM

JOBS ARE NOT RETURNING TO AMERICA...so says John McCain, the darling of the globalists, and Jack Welch, grade "A" scoundrel.

Barrack Obama and Mitt Romney appeared via satellite this morning on the a CNBC financial program.

Jack Welch, the CEO who off-shored thousands of GE manufacturing jobs to Brazil, Malaysia and Communist China, was their prized in-studio guest.

Welch grilled both Romney and Obama over their campaign statements relateing to jobs, and corporations. He pleaded with Obamaa to go softer on corporations, especially, phramaceuticals. "Corporations are made up of people with blood," whined Welch, and he asked for a kinder portrayal of corporations on the campaign trail. Both Obama and Romeny bowed a little to Welch, patronizing him to some exttent.

However, both seemed to stick to their guns. To Romeny's credit, he said that jobs, manufacturing jobs needed to return to America. When Welch whined about that comment, Romeny placated him to some extent by saying that he wanted our auto industry to be the leader in technology, and did not emphasise the return of lost manufacturing jobs.

Obama did about the same, to kow -tow some to Welch.

After the segment with Obama and Romney, Welch complained. He said that it was wrong for Romney to tell Michigan voters that manufacturing jobs would return. "He can't say that, those jobs (manufacturing) AREN"T GOING TO RETURN!" Now, how does Jack Welch, and several other elitist talking pigs KNOW for certain that manufacturing jobs will not return to America. UNLESS THE FIX IS IN, meaning tha the globalists are in firm control of our destiny in America and have taken steps, bribing, corrupting, blackmailing those in our government into not taking action to return good paying manufacturing jobs to America, then, HOW DOES JACK WELCH KNOW? The fix is in. They are in control. The globalist are looting America. That is why when Romney and Obama strike a cord with American voters by saying that we need those lost jobs, these elite globalists, get a little concerned.

It was intersting to watch that reptilian Welch spew his vile contempt for the average American, and show his and the globalist's true colors when it comes to what hey have in store for us.

America is a candy store, for them to loot. They manke the men make the rules, they are in control.

Not since Pre-Revolutionary France has theire been such greed, such corruption, such immoral hebavior toward a people and their economic conditions.

It is to wishful to hope that there is a spark left within the American people that will soon show these vile looters of liberty and livelyhood that what happened during the French Revolution to the "LET THEM EAT CAKE CROWD" was a day in the park compared to the fate that awaits these slimey greedsters at the hands of an awakened, and angry Amerian people?

-- Posted by Brill on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 8:15 PM

Conservababe - in reference to your post of 4:34PM about nuclear power - AmerenUE does have one nuclear power plant.

The Callaway plant at Fulton, MO was completed in the early 80s, and if memory serves me correctly, it is the only commercial nuclear-fueled electric power generation facility in Missouri.

Since Ameren owns it, yes, in effect we down here in S.E.MO. on the Ameren system sorta-kinda are receiving some portion of our electricity from it.

Based on Ameren's total generating operations in Missouri, the Callaway plant puts Ameren probably right at or slightly less than the 20% nationwide average portfolio for nuclear.

Nuclear does have a lot going for it with all the chatter about climate change, global warming, or whatever the phrase of the day is - however, the country does need to figure out a master plan as to what to do with the spent waste, and also to get people beyond Three-Mile Island and Chernobyl.

Since a nuclear plant is very, very, very expensive to build - the best time to build one is when interest rates are low, very low - not like the double-digit rates in the 70s and 80s when the majority of the current reactors were brought online. Hmmmm.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 8:31 PM

DAVOS Meeting in Secret to decide your future.

All this week, what remains of the royality in Europe, the financial elitists of the world, the political crooks, the wretched rich who did not earn it themselves, without the aid of bribes, corrupting politicians, public officials, and other businessmen, are meeting in Europe to decide your future.

The meeting is secret. You will not be taken inside to hear their comments and decisions. The meeting will be guarded by military troops. You may hear a few reports on CNBC, from simplistic media lackies who feel awed by the presence of power and money. They will interview Henry Kissinger They will interview the CEO of Activision, without asking him why the CEO of a maker of computer games is attending such a meeting. There are no questions of importance. It will be all show, for this is the OSCARS of the elite. They will decide the monetary policy in America, they will approve American political candidates, as the Bilderbergers have done in the past. The Davos group will determine if Iran should be attacked, as they did mandate the attack on Yugolsavia and Iraq.

This is were decisions are made that effect the world and particularly America and the plight of Americans.

This is not a harmless group of rich people who gather once or twice a year to talk about their children, their grand children and their pet beagle. These people are serious about "global governance." CNBC is even running a promo that speaks of "global governance." Global governance means global government.

The jobs are not returning to America because these people do not want them too. They make money off of the corporations off shoring our jobs and cheap slave labor paid elsewhere, also, they weaken America. America is no longer self-sufficent. We will soon reach the state, where we will give up all our rights so that these globalists can swoop in an "rescue" us from an economic calamity, "terorism" , oer, global war. We will give up what little freedom that we have remaining to be "secure" once again.

Yes, it sounds a bit conspiratorial. When people meet and plot, as does this group in Davos , Switzerland, and the Bilderbergers, it is a bonafide conspriacy. If you do not believe in conspiracies, that is your right. Not believing in something does not make it not a reality. It just gives that non-believer some short term comfort. However, Julius Ceasar didn't believe in conspiracies either, and you can see where it got him.

-- Posted by Brill on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 8:34 PM

I like Sci-fi..a couple of my favorites--

Roger Zelazny--Chronicles of Amber

Jack Whyte--Skystone series

I do like Marion Zimmer Bradley and George RR Martin as well.

My fascination is all things Scottish.

I do love Stephen King--I finally got the last few books in the Dark Tower series..They are on my shelf waiting to read.

Laurell K. Hamilton writes vampire novels--the main character is Anita Blake. Jean Auel is the Clan of the Cave Bear. I loved that series.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 8:44 PM


Sorry, not refering to that book with bear clan reference. A friend of mine is reading a series she told me about that had vampires but there were also people that were either a bear during the day and human at night or visa versa depending on the level of clanship. There were also wolfs, and leopards as well as others. She hasn't loaned them to me so I don't know much about them yet.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 8:50 PM

Conversations with Michael Eisner

Tonight from 11:00pm to Midnight, CNBC, Charter Cable Channel 53 will air an interview with Michael Eisner. Eisner was the head of Disney Stuidos for some time, and is not CEO of General Electric.

If you do not fully understand the ramifications of globalism, this may be an interesting program to watch.

Also, C-SPAN is airing a talk by Robert E. Rubin, who was former Treasury Secretary in the Clinton administration. Rubin, a Democrat, is now Director and Executive Committee Chairman of CITIGROUP. Demcorat and Republican globalists are the same. There is no, or, very little difference between them.

It is on now until about 09:20pm. It will re-air about 12:11am this morning on C-SPAN Charter cable channel 28 in Cape and Jackson.

Rubin is a globalist, touts globalism, immigration, trade agreements to this meeting of the U.S. Conference of Mayors.

-- Posted by Brill on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 9:15 PM


Thank you for your response to me.

-- Posted by conservababe on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 9:59 PM


My appologies. Anita Blake is the same character in my friends books. I'm still waiting for her to lend them to me.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 10:34 PM


You'll LOVE them!

If you haven't read Jean Auel's Clan of the Cave Bear..I highly recommend it.

I'd also suggest Diana Gabaldon (historical fiction) and Karen Marie Moning's Darkfever series (I don't know that you'd appreciate the highlander ones as much---they are romance...but Darkfever is supernatural sci-fi.)

Wow..I'm probably going to get beat for "girl chatting" LOL

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 10:38 PM

Thanks SuperBethie,

Have a great night, see everyone tomorrow.

-- Posted by Pups on Wed, Jan 23, 2008, at 10:50 PM

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