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Speak Out 1/20/08

Sunday, January 20, 2008

Smoking parents

I AGREE that smoking around your children is bad, especially in a car with closed windows. Secondhand smoke is a known cause of many health problems, especially in children. This is overlooked by most people. But if I discipline my child in public when he misbehaves, people are ready to call social services.

Fixing a problem

I DON'T understand why Nancy Jernigan, executive director of the United Way of Southeast Missouri, feels comfortable confronting the mayor and chamber president about their obligation to make a difference in the at-risk youths in Cape Girardeau. She has written grants for a significant amount of money over the last three years for the LIFE initiative to do that very thing. Her own initiative, with hand-selected service providers, hasn't been able to resolve the problems. How can she expect someone else to fix them?

Suggested reading

GOOD EDITORIAL on autism. Thanks for debunking the mercury in vaccine as a myth in causing the disorder. Two current bestsellers by high-functioning autistics (Asperger's syndrome) worth reading are "Look Me in the Eye" and "Born on a Blue Day."

Use Schultz School

I AM all for a new community center on the south side of Cape Girardeau, but why didn't someone think of using Schultz School for it? The school has a gym, cafeteria, meeting rooms, band practice room and space for a library branch. And it would save a million dollars.

Political propriety

THE COZY relationship between area politicians and area lobbyists leave me confused when I try to figure out whether an area pol is still a pol, an ex-pol turned lobbyist, an ex-lobbyist turned pol or what. Southeast Missouri already has a black eye as a result of recent political criminality. If we are going to restore our reputation, we need not give a hint of impropriety, even if none exists.

Designated smoker?

THIS IS in response to the person who compared a smoking ban to an alcohol ban. How is banning alcohol in public the same as banning smoking in public? If you drink, you can either not drink much or have a designated driver take you home. But I don't think you can get anyone to be your designated smoker. When you smoke, the people around you are in danger of secondhand smoke. I am all for the ban on smoking in public places.

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All comments are kind of dead issues. uH Oh That means the forum will run amuck today. I found the piece on Edgar Allen Poe interested, and posted a few of my favorite tidbits of Poe's poems on that piece.


Drug company advertising piece might offer some good conversation?


-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 5:08 AM

i agree with the person who said if a child is disciplined in public that people have there nose where it shouldn't be. They need to get a life of there own and stay out of peoples bussiness if we were abusing them they wouldn't call. If they grow up to be troubled jids its our fault cause they weren't disciplined are we aren't caring paretns. When a child does something thats nasty people sau they need to whip that kid but if we do a hot line call they should prosecute the people that made the call if ir is unfounded. people should be made to give their name when a report is made so they can find them and prosecute.

-- Posted by cmf2002 on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 7:37 AM

Smoking with your children in the car with you is one of the most selfish careless white trash acts anyone could do, PERIOD. It absolutely kills me to see anyone that smokes in a car with the windows rolled up and their toddlers sitting in the back of the car! I barely allow my kids over to anyone else's house who I know smokes inside. Since these smokers are already shortening their own lives, do they feel that they need to shorten their kids life spans? It's ridiculous, these people can claim all they want that they love their kids, etc but as soon as they light up in front of the kids, they contradict themselves. IMO.

-- Posted by pm98 on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 7:43 AM

I like poe's work, tell-tale heart is my favorite. His life is a mystery in itself.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 7:48 AM

Aggie, As was Poe's death, he died at 40 years of age. Didn't I read he was found in raggy clothes, which was not his normal attire; as he very much cared what others thought of his appearance.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 7:55 AM

Why would the city put the old Schultz school building to good use when they can just add another tax on our backs and build new?

-- Posted by Make no mistake about it on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 8:04 AM

Why don't SOME pay a little closer attention?

Re: Schultz School "Hartle and the Cape Girardeau School District agreed to a price of $1.7 million for the building in February."

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 8:09 AM

BakersBigBurger, City never owned the school.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 8:13 AM

Schultz School,

What would the cost be to turn the Schultz school into a community center. I suggest it would be greater than the cost of a new building.

Poe died as a drunk and a drug addict I believe. Great writer however troubled.

-- Posted by SWBG on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 8:17 AM

Use Schultz School,

Did YOU communicate your idea to the City or the School District before the building was sold in Febuary?

Belated thoughts are welcome on birthdays and holidays, but offer little merit once financial trasactions have transpired.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 8:19 AM

short white bald guy, Some say that about Poe...but I've read he was not impaired on the day of his death.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 8:20 AM

Interesting note on Poe. Some of his relatives might live in Cape today. Still researching it, but a strong possibility.

-- Posted by Pups on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 8:25 AM

Melange: You might also like this info too


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 8:30 AM

Poe: Interesting, I believe it is the 149th anniversay of his death. His short 40 year life (and labor) has lived on to stimulate conversations to this day. Some would hope for that type of legacy.

Aggie, The Tell-Tale Heart (pg 354 Sixty- seven Tales) is one of my favorites too. "True!-nervous-very, very dreadfully nervous I had been and am; but why will you say that I am mad? The disease had sharpened my senses-not destroyed-not dulled them...." Poe had a magically writing style that could grasp your attention within the first few words.

I have a theory that writers, such as Edgar Allen Poe and Stephen King have serial killer minds, who successfully redirected their energies (and choices) in positive ways.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 8:36 AM

Hey Aggie. Sorry I missed you guys last night. Hope no one had to call a cab. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 8:37 AM

PUPS, Please share Cape/Poe information when you finish! I would be very interested. Poe is one of my favorite Poets and Authors.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 8:39 AM


Actually a friend of mine's Mother's maiden name is Poe. She has spent the last three years researching her family tree. Has traced the Poe's back to England, just hasn't found that one relative that specificlly ties her to Edgar.

On my family research, I'm related to Elvis. Distantly, but related. hehe

-- Posted by Pups on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 8:42 AM

PUPS, No cabs required, 1/2 of the crowd opted for pop/soda; the other 1/2 alternated non-alcoholic beverages to assure safe driving. We all were back at our computers by 9-9:30om. LOL

Bethie is saving her whip, just for you! However, I did bring along a "baby bethie whip" (sucker with a rubberband), just in case Librule or Donnie got out of line. LMAO

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 8:47 AM


Sounds like I miss a great time. Really going to have to make the next one. Though, I still have friday lunches. lol

Tick tock, tick tock, quoate the Raven Never More. (I know, two seperate things, but wanted to keep the Poe theme going. lol)

-- Posted by Pups on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 8:53 AM

Pups, "I'm related to Elvis. Distantly, but related. hehe" Don't see the resemblance? Perhaps, you need a tight fitting bedazzled jumpsuit. LOL

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 8:55 AM


I actually probably look like he did in the later years. And didn't want to see him in the jumpsuits then, so doubt you would want to see me in one now. LMAO

Actually have traced a common Relative of his and Mine to family in Kassel Russia. Doing a little more research to find out if his ancester is my ancester's brother or cousin. The problem back then was every family used the same names for children. (ex. George named is sons Valentin, George, and Johann. His brother Valentin would name his sons Valentin, George, and Johann. Makes for difficult researching) Uh oh, guess this falls under girl chat.

-- Posted by Pups on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 9:01 AM

Pups, we had a great time, no long essays with neo or zion bush hating conversations.

I did bring my torture kit with me to share,ie waterboarding.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 9:04 AM

Pups, Don't worry about the girl chatter, I think the Poe conversation may just classify as a "short story book club". hahaha

Another Poe favorite, (and just got caught up in reading it again...while attempting to pick my favorite quote from it).

~The Angel of the Odd~ "I zay," said he, "you mos pe dronk as de pig, vor zit dare and not zee me zit ere; and I zay, doo, you mos be pigger vool as de goose, vor to dispelief vat iz print in de print. 'T iz de troof-dat it iz-eberry vord ob it."

What a creative mind Poe had!

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 9:16 AM

I'm going to have to pull out all my American Lit books so I can re-familarize myself with all his works.


Now who would you possibly be talking about?? LOL Though I do find waterboarding a form of torture, will refrain on that particular debate today. It is Sunday don't ya know. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 9:46 AM

Pups: I am sorry, your right. Getting ready for church now, so we will talk to you all later.

BTW, would any of you object our next dinner get2gether be at El Acapulco?

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 9:54 AM

hmmmm...Thinking very seriously about curling up under a cozy fleece blanket and escaping into my Poe collection. (Sounds much more fun than cleaning dust bunnies or doing laundry!) I will check back to catch up later on. Enjoy your day!

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 10:01 AM


That works for me. Like their food. Just let me know when and where and I'll try and make sure to clear my calander.


Careful with the dust bunnies, those little critters multiply like..... well bunnies. LOL Enjoy your reading!!

-- Posted by Pups on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 10:06 AM

mmm....Mexican. LOL!

I like anywhere that has food atm. *winkz*

I like Edgar Allen Poe as well. He had a great imagination.

I've read various conflicting accounts of his death. If you get it sorted out--please share! =)

It was a good time last night...but I did save my whip. Next time, I won't.

*grinz wickedly*

I'll have to think a bit about all the other risque stuff I have that I could bring to a restaurant. *smile widens*


Then--there is the question of which whip?...

I mean...I could get into a restaurant easier with the crop than a bullwhip...Plus there wouldn't be enough room to really brandish the bullwhip. And a paddle that fits in a purse just isn't as much fun.

*dying laughing*

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 10:07 AM

I have a buggy whip, think that might make it in? Though admit, like the sound it and the bull whip make when used correctly.....ooops TMI. LOL

Sorry I missed meeting you and the hubby last night. Will definately have to make the next gathering.

-- Posted by Pups on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 10:14 AM

Hehe...*eyebrow raises..huge grin*

Don't worry..the restaurant appropriate crop is just as nice. LOL.

I look forward to the next time! =)

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 10:22 AM

Well, gotta get some work done at work. Think the boss might appreciate that. lol Will check back in later.

-- Posted by Pups on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 10:24 AM

Bethie,We enjoyed ur company too, maybe we can talk Buckmaster into going next time also.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 10:30 AM

Oh, one last thing and kind of on topic this time.

I smoke, but even I can't ride in a car with the windows up if someone is smoking in the car.

-- Posted by Pups on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 10:31 AM

Did anyone catch this story?


-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 10:32 AM

Bomb destroys US Bradley armored vehicle in 'Anah.

In a dispatch posted at 9:36pm Baghdad time Saturday night, the Yaqen News Agency reported that a bomb exploded by a US military unit in the ash-Shayshan neighborhood of the city of 'Anah, 300km northwest of Baghdad.

Yaqen reported an eyewitness as saying that the bomb, planted by the side of a street in the city went off by a patrol of a large number of US military vehicles. The explosion set on fire and destroyed a Bradley armored vehicle. No precise information on the nature or extent of US casualties was available, but the witness thought it probable that there were casualties since US military forces rushed to close off the area where the blast occurred.

-- Posted by Brill on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 11:12 AM

Resistance group announces rocket attack onus military base in at-Taji.

In a communiqué issued Saturday afternoon, Army of Muslims Resistance organization announced that one of its units had bombarded the US military base in at-Taji, a northern suburb of Baghdad with Grad rockets.

The Army of Muslims communiqué said that the attack scored direct hits on the base and that plumes of smoke were seen rising over the facility.

-- Posted by Brill on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 11:13 AM

Resistance group announces rocket attack on US military base Friday.

In a communiqué issued Saturday afternoon, the Army of Muslims Resistance organization announced that one of its units had bombarded the US-occupied al-Bakr Air base near Yathrib, 70km north of Baghdad, with Grad rockets on Friday.

The Army of Muslims communiqué said that the attack scored direct hits on the base, which the Americans have dubbed "Camp Anaconda" adding that flames were observed burning inside the facility.

-- Posted by Brill on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 11:18 AM

American statement: bomb attack kills US soldier in Baghdad Friday.

In a dispatch posted at 10:12am Baghdad time Saturday morning, the Yaqen News Agency reported that the US military had admitted that a bomb explosion in Baghdad had killed another American occupation soldier on Friday.

Yaqen reported that the US statement said that the attack took place when American forces were engaged in combat operations in northern Baghdad on Friday, but in keeping with the US policy of concealing information about American losses in Iraq, it provided no further details.

-- Posted by Brill on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 11:19 AM

Note, in the last paragraph that the Sadr says that if the US and their puppet regime of Iraq continues to attempt to arrest his militia members that he may turn them loose. One of the reasons that the total number of dead, both American and Iraqi is down overall, is that, several months ago, Sadr reigned in his Madhi Army militia and told them to stand down in the areas around Baghdad.

Sadr's militia has been engaged in inter-Shia fighting in the Al Basrah area with various Shia groups,including with militias that are more closely aligned with Iran, than Sadr is. Al Basrah is a rich shipping and oil producing region of Iraq.

"Jaysh al-Mahdi denies involvement in attempted assassination of US-installed "Iraqi National Security Adviser" Friday.

In a dispatch posted at 11:20am Baghdad time Saturday morning, the Yaqen News Agency reported that the office of pro-Iranian Shi'i sectarian cleric Muqtada as-Sadr denied that the Sadr movement had anything to do with the attempted assassination of the US-appointed "Iraqi National Security Adviser Muwaffaq ar-Rabi'i in the Baghdad district of ash-Shu'lah on Friday.

Yaqen reported Shaykh Salah al-'Ubaydi, the official spokesman of the as-Sadr Office as saying that the Jaysh al-Mahdi militia was still abiding by the decision for it to be frozen. He said, furthermore, that they are currently busy with self-flagellation and other religious rites connected with the Shi'i observance of 'Ashura'.

In a dispatch posted at 7:53pm Makkah time Saturday night, Mafkarat al-Islam reported al-'Ubaydi as saying, however, that Muqtada as-Sadr might re-examine his decision to freeze the Jaysh al-Mahdi if the puppet regime forces continue their campaigns of arrest of Jaysh al-Mahdi members "

-- Posted by Brill on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 11:32 AM

Here is a good winter day project. Build your own rocket launcher.


-- Posted by Brill on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 11:39 AM

If you want to see what the GRAD-type KATYUSHA rocket that are being used by the Iraqi Resistance on American troops, here is a photo.



-- Posted by Brill on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 11:55 AM

Mr Fletcher,

Do the names Tokyo Rose, Axis Sallie, and Lord Haw-Haw ring a bell???? Just asking mind you.

-- Posted by Pups on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 12:09 PM

As seen in Sunday's Southeast Missourian.

Bush is a big believer in preemptive measures, as illustrated by his actions in attacking the Afghan and Iraqi people, unprovoked, now, the Russians say that they may use NUKES in a preemptive manner,a s well.

The United States has acted provocatively by wanting to install a so-called anti-missile interceptor system in Poland. The US says that it is to protect the US and it's allies from missile launches from rogue states, a backhand slap at Iran. Russia says that the trajectory from the Middle East to the US would not cross near the Polish missile site, and disputes that the installation is to thwart Middle Eastern "terrorists." Putin has warned the US before about the Polish site. Now, they seem to be ratcheting up the rethoric. Here is the SEM story...

"Chief of staff: Russia could use nukes in preventive attacks in case of major threat

Sunday, January 20, 2008

The Associated Press

MOSCOW -- Russia's military chief of staff said Saturday that Moscow could use nuclear weapons in preventive strikes to protect itself and its allies, the latest aggressive remarks from increasingly assertive Russian authorities.

Gen. Yuri Baluyevsky's comment did not mark a policy shift, military analysts said. Amid disputes with the West over security issues, it may have been meant as a warning that Russia is prepared to use its nuclear might.

"We do not intend to attack anyone, but we consider it necessary for all our partners in the world community to clearly understand ... that to defend the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Russia and its allies, military forces will be used, including preventively, including with the use of nuclear weapons," Baluyevsky said at a military conference in a remark broadcast on state-run cable channel Vesti-24.

According to the state-run news agency RIA-Novosti, Baluyevsky added that Russia would use nuclear weapons and carry out preventive strikes only in accordance with Russia's military doctrine. "

Full story in the SUNDAY SEM here.


-- Posted by Brill on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 12:10 PM

Re: Fixing a Problem - I was present when Ms. Jernigan asked her questions that have touched off this prolonged dialog. She was neither "confrontational," nor were any "obligations" mentioned - simply put, she asked what role the City and the Chamber could play in addressing the issues facing our public schools and the community as a whole. Even what was reported in the paper did not have her trying to have "someone else fix the problem" - only looking for the role they can play.

I don't know about the LIFE initiative, but I am glad to hear the United Way is bringing in significant amounts of grant money to begin tackling issues that are too big for any entity, government or social service, to take on alone.

It is clear that you are an insider to this subject, I just hope you aren't a "service provider" in our community, because it is clear from your statement that ignoring issues is preferable to addressing them. Or that you have sour grapes with Ms. Jernigan or her employer...

If we don't at least acknowledge the problems facing us, it will not be long before Cape is related more to Cairo than Paradise.

-- Posted by Birnam Wood on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 12:35 PM

Pups, I wish he would have made it last night!!

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 12:50 PM


I'm thinking Twiggy is happy he wasn't there. Would hate to have her worry about you getting yourself into trouble over him. Not saying she wouldn't support you doing it, just would probably worry.

-- Posted by Pups on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 1:29 PM

Yes, Aggie, I read that article--twice. I kept trying NOT to suspect that this is going to become a problem as we head more and more into "biodiesal" production.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 1:33 PM

Hey Gurusmom!!

I'm thinking I'm running low on my quota of hugs. You're going to have to get your sweet self to Cape soon again for lunch!! Hope all is well in the Guru household.

-- Posted by Pups on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 1:37 PM


Yes, I am quite familiar with those names. However, instead of making up propaganda, like the president's neocon, Israel First, empire building PNAC crowd has done, expecially, to get us into an unConstitutional War, I am merely reminding you that while you go about your day, being entertained by titlating stories of a Britney Spears, and other pantiless tramps, and their illegitimate children, that Amercian troops are dying in Iraq and Afghanistan based upon a lie that many of you defend.

There are days, upon days where NO "news" from Iraq is released. Don't you think that that is a bit odd? Is all quiet? That is what the neocons and the toadie press would have us believe. That is because what few news crews that there are in Iraq, and Afghanistan, they rarely venture beyond the heavily fortified, so-called Green Zone, or, Kabul, the only area of Afghanistan that is realitively under NATO and puppet Afghani government control.

The people whom you mentioned all stretched the truth, created false information, and attempted to get the Allies to surrrender. I would just like to see our troops come home. No more Americans killed, no more Iraqi's and Afghanis killed by occpation troops. Seems like a big difference to me. You on the other hand, wish to believe that original propaganda lie, and the updated spin of it. That we went to Iraq to free the people, when in truth, we went to liberate their oil, and put it under control of Bush and Cheney's international oil buddies. I said control, because it is not necessary to release Iraqi oil on the market for these oil companies to make huge profits. If they can control the flow of Iraqi oil, to minimize it, then the price of the oil that they already control, goes way up, due to supply, demand, fear factors, and wall street traitor speculation. Yes, I said traitor, a play on words, but accurate.

You, melange, and all the others have a right to your opinion, and support of this murderous, war criminal president. You have the right to your opinion, no matter how wrong that you are. I will not sit back and be silent while hordes of ignorant Americans whoop it up like the those middle eastern wars are local football contests, with demands to "support the team!" Go Tigers, go Indians, go Redhawks," whatever the hell that is.

Both American, Iraqi, and Afghan lives are being lost daily in these neocon wars. Now if that is okay with you, why not join up and do your bit for glory and your cause? I fail to understand a people who believe that the Iraqi's are better off, when consitantly they say that they are not since the fall of their legitmtate government and President Saddam Hussein. Some Americans, including those of a particular far fetched religious belief, have their noses so far up the exhaust pipe of Israel, that they cannot see, or, think straight. Now, you don't see them going down to the recuriter in Cape and joining, or, getting their kid signed up to fight for their ignorant view of the Bible, but they whoop it up and cheer on the war so that the unBiblical concept of a Rapture will come and sweep them all to be with the Lord. I wish to confront that ignorance. That is why I post. I post to counter those who cheer for war, yet, refuse to go themselves, or, enroll their children in the fight. To them, this is like a big sporting event to them that we must WIN. They are the ones who safely sit back, in the arms of their wives, and act like they are at a football game and scream for their team to win. If the quarterback is severely injured, they say, "hell, put him, back in, he is still breathing, we have to win this one! FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT.

Then, there are there are those who want to skip over the "HOW" we got to war and claim that that is no longer relevant, that now that the troops are there, we have to back the president. Usually, they try to hide their support of the president and an unjust war, by railing about how we have to "Support the Troops." Only their "Support the Troops" plan doesn't involve ending a war against a people which did not ever harm us, and bringing our troops safely home, what they want instead, is to leave the troops there, doesn't matter how many get killed foolishly in this neocon war, as long as they stay there as long as the president and his war profiteering cronies wish them to do so.

So, on Iraq, you are wrong. Iraq is an absolute. There is no grey area. You, and others like you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong that it is. But, you are wrong.

-- Posted by Brill on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 1:41 PM

Schultz school: Was not owned by the city, but by Cape Public Schools. It has been in use for nearly 3 years as a school facility, as it was meant to be, by the Alternative Education Center. But one board member was just bound and determined to sell the property. So now Chad Hartle of Jackson, to whom the building was sold, will renovate the building into senior citizen apartments. Who's to say which is the better use -- senior housing or south side community center? But it seems to me it was working pretty well as a school....

-- Posted by nuit_de_trois_chiens on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 1:45 PM

Jerry, you neo psychotic jerk. Please tell me why you single out the Bush's for this war. If my memory serves me correct, there were 8 yrs with Wee-Willie, who could have pulled everyone out of Iraq. Why didn't he? And don't blame a Bush. Why didn't that lieing, cheating piece of sh*t go after Osama?

You are a fool in the first order, you are wasting precious air. In fact with your BS you are causing global-warming.

You flag burning Nazi.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 1:57 PM

Aw, PUPS...Thank you. This old lady needs to be less demonstrative with the hugs...It's one thing to embarrass one's teenage sons by hugging them in front of their friends (always suspected they really did like it tho), and another to hug non-relatives whom I'm fond of in public places. Guru household busy taking care of each other.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 2:05 PM

Axis Sally, Mildred Gillars, was convicted of treason, imprisoned, released in 1961, she got her degree and lived quitely in Ohio for 27 years until her death in 1988.

There were twenty, or, so women who were "Tokyo Rose." The one woman most closely identified with that name is, Iva Toguri D'Aquino.

"Her 1949 trial resulted in a conviction on one count, making her the seventh American to be convicted on that charge. In 1974, investigative journalists found key witnesses had lied during testimony and other serious problems with the conduct of the trial. She was pardoned by U.S. President Gerald Ford in 1977, becoming the only U.S. citizen convicted of treason to be pardoned"

Of them all, I think that Mati Hari was the hottest babe. Margaretha Geertruida (Grietje) Zelle was Jewish, and an exotic dancer. She allegedly spied for Germany during the 1st World War. When she was executed by a French firing squad in October 1917, she refused a blindfold and blew her executioners a kiss as they fired their rifles. Now, that is class.

What a difference 20 years makes. In WWI Germany, you have a Jewish woman doing her patritoic duty for her country, Germany. By WWII, Germany had turned on the Jews. Quite a contrast, in my opinion.

-- Posted by Brill on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 2:10 PM

Mr Fletcher,

Again, you are entitled to your opinion. My opinion on Iraq is and has always been that we shouldn't have gone. And I honestly think there is no "winner" in this. I guess, since you don't seem to understand my stance on it, I promise not to direct statements or questions your way any longer. Have a great day.

-- Posted by Pups on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 2:25 PM


Well, I am one nonrelative that wouldn't be embarrassed by a hug. As long as Guruspop is ok with it, Hug away!!

-- Posted by Pups on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 2:27 PM

Actually, I don't believe that I have ever come to the defense of Bill Clinton. I share your sentiment about him.

The George HW Bush administration insisted upon extremely harsh, unjust UN sanctions being placed upon the Iraqi people following the 1st Gulf War. Clinton continued the instance of these these sanctions, even though our many of our allies in Europe were suggesting that the sanctions be reduced, or, eliminated. The Clinton administration would not allow that to happen. The result is, nearly 1.5 million Iraqis died during the time of the end of the Gulf War, and the beginning of this war on Iraq, that began in 2003. The US insited, UN sanctions were on the Iraqi people for approximately 10+ years.

I was against Clinton's war against the Serbian people in the former Yugoslavia and Kosovo. Unfortuantely, there was no forum at that time to vent my outrage, as there is now.

1. It is documented that the neocons that Bush brought into his government, from day one, in 2001, had long plotted to attack 1998, possibly earlier.

Some of those early plotters were.

Paul Wolfowitz who Bush put in the Pentagon. Later, he became director of the World Bank. He was forced to leave recently, in a scandal that involved his preferencial treatment of his girlfriend at the WB.

Douglas Feith, also, placed by Bush in the Pentagon. Just prior to the 2004 elections, the FBI uncovered a spy for Israel in Douglas Feith's Pentagon office. There was little made of this story, about the spy, Larry Franklin. Draw your own conclusions as to why not.

Scooter Libby, adviser to Dick Cheney.

Richard Perle, called the Dark Prince by those who knew him.

There were scads of others of these Israel Firsters that Bush placed within his regime. The list is much too long to detail here. I would say that the above were the principals.

Yes, they are all Zionists. I am sorry if that offends you, but they are . Zionist and Zionism are terms that they chose for themselves. Zionist is a name that they chose, whereas, N*gger, is a name that was unwantedly imposed upon blacks. Do you see the difference? Why cannot I call a Zionist, a Zionst? It is not the same as calling a Black, a N*gger. I do not understand, why you all cannot understand that simple point.

Many of them are, also, members of PNAC, The Progject for a New American Century. They are basically advocates for an American domination of the world, an American Empire. Their members include Jeb Bush, Rumsfeld, and a whole list of globalists.

No, I make no defense of Bill Clinton. I do chastise Bush for immediately halting all investigations of the Clinton's scandals, including China Gate, Travel Gate, and a couple of other Gates that I can no longer remember.

What do you say to your man, Bush, letting the Clintons off, calling of the DOJ from pursuing their investigations, within the frist few days of Bush taking over in January, 2001>

You don't believe that crapola that Bush wanted to HEAL the country, do you? Hell, I didn't need a healing back then, I wanted Justice.

-- Posted by Brill on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 2:32 PM

Someone earlier today got it right about the SEMO'ian blowing blueberries as a snoozer regarding anything of excruciating interest. Tomorrow will be worse (a blank) for obvious reasons. Even so, I must say that one article sorta reached out and dog-slapped me regarding that sawin' & cuttin' crazy guy. It kinda begs the question: Didn't we recently hear of a gal with a gun in Colorado negating the whims of another nut case trying to kill every Christian he could find? Perhaps it's time for churches and related organizations to dig-in and arm-up. Imagine, locked & loaded preachers! Nuc 'em if ya got 'em!!! Burma Shave.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 2:43 PM

Oh, and if you like the Middle East as a theatre of military operations, you are just going to love AFRICA.

Africa is the next target of the neocon empire builders. Take your money out of gold and silver and get a strong position in body bag "futures." You will make a killing.

-- Posted by Brill on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 2:47 PM


Thanks for the link about Mayors and academic/community involvement. We will have to agree to disagree on this one. I feel our Mayor has his hands full keeping up on our City's business (which btw is his second job to the full time one he holds down, in case some others may have forgotten).

I personally would prefer the school districts's management team be kept separate from the City's managment team. With that said, there is no reason the Mayor should not be supportive of improving our school district or the President of the School Board supportive of improvement of our City.

From what experience I have had, I like Nancy and the things she stands for, but the "media's portrayal" of her questions...did not sound like her, or like appropriate questions for the Mayor. IMO

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 2:53 PM

nuit de trois chiens, Schultz school: "senior citizen apartments"

Wasn't it low-income housing? That fact stuck with me, because of the 10 years of low income tax credits and the owner's ability to market them to generate cash for renovation.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 3:11 PM

nuit de trois chiens, "But one board member was just bound and determined to sell the property."

"an affirmative vote of a majority of the whole Board, may authorize and direct the sale or lease of the property"

I suspect you already knew this tidbit of information.


-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 3:31 PM

swan, "Since the early 1990s, mayors of some American cities--such as Boston, Chicago, Cleveland, Harrisburg and New York--have sought greater accountability over public education by calling for and receiving the authority to directly select their city's schools superintendent and school board members."

Now Swan, are you saying that you want our Mayor to hand select our superintendent and school board members? No, thank you. I prefer the current system.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 3:36 PM

swan, I cut and pasted from YOUR link...silly man! Page 5

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 3:39 PM

Swan, Now don't go getting mad at me...just having a little fun...but your link does say what I pasted earlier.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 3:41 PM

Low income senior citizen apartments, yes. And do not kid yourself, one member can nag and cajole and stifle other business until he gets his way with selling the property.

-- Posted by nuit_de_trois_chiens on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 3:41 PM

nuit de trois chiens,

Would love to visit with you about that sometime...out of the public forum.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 3:45 PM

swan, My mistake page 4.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 3:46 PM

nuit de trois chiens - I thought the school district was trying to cut costs and that was the reason for selling the building. Didn't the superintendent bring that to the board?

-- Posted by DickCheney on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 5:51 PM

Schultz School: This has been an on-going issue for many years (since at least 2002)--through several School Boards and Superintendents. Here's an article discussing a lawsuit from a purchase contract for the school that went very wrong.


Here's an article about who voted on the offer acceptance, and who did not.


-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 6:21 PM

Speaking of Superintendent...I learned a very interesting (yet, disturbing) fact. (msbanet.org)

Did you know MO's average superintendent tenure is only three (3) years? Pretty amazing.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 6:29 PM

Sunday afternoon, ABC radio news spent less than ten seconds on yet another suicide bomber attack on an Iraqi Sunni collaborator and leader of one of the occupation's so-called Awakening Councils. Several such collaborators have been killed recently, or, serious attempts have been made upon their lives.

Following this only story from a war that has cost us billions, 0veer 20,000 seriously injured with no legs, no arms, loss eyes, and brain trauma, ABC radio ran a news story that was at least 5 times the length of the Iraq story. The subject of the ABC story? The opening of a new casino in Las Vegas. It was more of a commercial than it was a news story.

We are not getting a true perspective of what is happening in Iraq; neither to our troops or to the Iraqi people.

-- Posted by Brill on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 6:45 PM

NEVADA pre-Primary polls worse than New Hampshire!

Dr. Ron Paul takes SECOND, behind Romney!

Here are the official polls PRIOR to the Republicans of Nevada making their choice on Saturday.

John McCain 22%

Rudy Giuliani 18%

Mike Huckabee 16%

Mitt Romney 15%

Fred Thompson 11%

Ron Paul 6%

Duncan Hunter 1%

RON PAUL came in SECOND in Nevada.... NOT Sixth, as their polls had pegged him prior to the primary.

Here are the REPUBLICAN Primary Results in Nevada! Nice going RON PAUL!

Romney 22,649 51% 17 Winner

Paul 6,087 14% 4

McCain 5,651 13% 4

Huckabee 3,616 8% 3

Thompson 3,521 8% 2

Giuliani 1,910 4% 1

Hunter 890 2% 0

Oddly, the fact that Ron Paul came in second has been hushed up in the media coverage thus far.

Typical neocon, globalist press.

-- Posted by Brill on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 6:54 PM

I'm not sure how selling the building would cut costs for the district. They still have to provide classroom space and the concomitant heating and cooling expenses for the alternative school, which necessitates renovations or building a new building, since there is not enough classroom space in any existing building. Yes, Dr. Scala wanted to move the alternative school because he didn't like "old buildings", but there was a particular board member who pushed it and pushed it. Friend Tom Meyer made a pretty tidy little commission on this sale.

-- Posted by nuit_de_trois_chiens on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 7:11 PM

While the media made days of news about the so-called errant polls in New Hampshire that showed Obama would win, there hasn't been a word about the way off polls in Nevada.

Giuliani who they said would come in second, with with 18% of the votes, actually came in SIXTH with only 4%. TIn the Polling, prior to the election, they said Ron Paul would come in sixth, with only 8%, when Dr. Ron Paul finished SECOND, ahead of McCain, Huckabee, Thompson, and Giuliani.

-- Posted by Brill on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 7:13 PM

Melange,Guru,Pups,Bethie: do any of you own a tv or read the newspaper? I'm getting the feeling that someone thinks they are the only one who keeps up with the news.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 7:27 PM

60 Minutes? You should be relaxing watching football.

The mayors of big cities that were mentioned are full time and make 6 figures a year. I think our Mayor makes like a hundred bucks a month for being mayor.

School and city need to be separate. Which does not mean that can't consult on things.

-- Posted by insider63785 on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 7:30 PM

Too funny, Clever Aggie!

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 8:20 PM

Well, only took a short cruise through some of the news websites, and see no mention of Ron Paul. Said it before: apparently the media actually picks our presidents...in a round-about way. Where did you find the results, Fletcher?

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 8:28 PM

Okay, found it...Amazing...not only the figures, but having to search for the results.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 8:35 PM


There you are. It took awhile to find it didn't it? How many days did the media HYPE errant polls in Hillary's very odd win over Obama in New Hampshire? It was a daily, non-stop rant about how the pollsters got it wrong. I wonder if their rants were deliberate cover up of the strange manner that the machine voting figures reproted overwhelming votes for Hillary, but where paper ballots were used in NH, Obama won along percnetages as reported in the polls.

Seems to me that if the NH poll numbers were a big story, that at least the Nevada Polls would be at least a minor story.

Dr. Ron Paul coming in 2nd in Nevada seems like it would rate at least a half-*** mention.

Thank you for taking the time to check my facts. Seeing for yourself is a good thing.

-- Posted by Brill on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 9:08 PM

Amazingly enough---

I do have a television that I watch..and I read newspapers, magazines, and journals Pups. LOL

Although I am now inconsolable.

I was watchin my tv for the football game...

and I've now cried this evening.

I never thought I would cry over football.

I hate the Giants.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 9:21 PM

How did Broadway Joe Namath do tonight? Oh, wait, he is the quarterback for the NY Jets. I get those two teams confused.

-- Posted by Brill on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 10:55 PM

nuit de trois chiens, so you think the board member pushed the sale of the building so Tom Meyer would make money and not that it would benefit and save the district money? And you believe the rest of the board just went along with this?

-- Posted by DickCheney on Sun, Jan 20, 2008, at 10:58 PM

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