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Speak Out 1/14/08

Monday, January 14, 2008

Great example

I WANT to tell a story about a man I met today. His name is Steve Fatoly. The first time I encountered him was when I gave blood at a Red Cross blood drive in the mall. He was one of the volunteers and was helpful. Apparently the Red Cross appreciated his being there. Another time I was at the St. Mary's Cathedral food bank, and he was in there helping people bag food and carry it to people's cars, again volunteering his time. Today I was in the Salvation Army store, and who happens to be there volunteering his time? Steve Fatoly. He told me he had been living in Cape since November 2005 when he found himself with nothing at all and he explained that the Salvation Army helped him out, along with St. Mary's and the Red Cross. He said he felt it was only right to give back to those who gave to him. We could all learn from him. He's one heck of an example of a giving person.

Callous remark

I THINK Morley Swingle has written one too many novels and has lost touch with the people to say that Jonathan McClard committed a second horrible crime by committing suicide. How unfeeling and callous. My heart goes out to the family.

Birth control

SOMEONE NAIVELY believes that if you're not married you shouldn't be engaged in sexual activity. It's going to happen. Birth control is a good answer because it prevents unwanted pregnancies. Now menopause is here, and I didn't overpopulate the world, thank goodness.

Ridiculous comments

MORLEY SWINGLE'S comments that the juvenile system would not have been able to help Jonathan McClard are ridiculous. His attitude seems to be that he has no sense of responsibility when it comes to rehabilitating a person so that he may return to society as a productive part of our community. My prayers go out to the McClard family for all they have had to endure. Cape Girardeau County's justice system has failed them horribly.

Pain and suffering

TOO MANY people today believe that no matter how heinous their crime, all they have to do is look contrite and say they are sorry and everything will be forgiven and forgotten. The pain and suffering they have caused does not go away with a sincere look of contrition and an "I'm sorry."

Tragic mistake

MORLEY SWINGLE was 100 percent right in his statements about the McClard case. This is a tragedy for the McClard family. Having lost a son at a young age, I understand what they're going through. We don't want to forget the boy who's injured, probably for life. McClard made a tragic mistake. I feel sorry for both families. McClard hurt his own family, and he hurt himself.

Ethanol subsidies

NONE OF the government subsidies for the making of ethanol goes to the farmer or the plant that makes the ethanol. The subsidy of 51 cents per gallon of ethanol goes to the blender, which is the gas company that mixes the ethanol with the gasoline. The oil companies said that they need it to buy the new tanks and other things to handle ethanol or they will not use it.

You have our prayers

I HAVE two grandsons, 15 and 17, and my sympathy goes out to both families in the Jonathan McClard case. Two young men lost their lives. Jonathan died by choice. His victim was not given a choice, but his life is over and he's left with suffering and pain. Jonathan's sentence, I think, was fair and just. I don't know either of the families, but my prayers are with all of you.

Punishment fits crime

I AM truly sorry for the McClard family's loss. However, my co-workers and I feel that Morley Swingle is doing a good job. If you do an adult crime, you deserve adult punishment.

Respect his choice

I DON'T think Jonathan McClard's death should be looked at under a microscope. Let him rest in peace. Respect his choice. I think we have better things to do with taxpayer money than looking under a microscope at this particular case.

TV signals

I'M PERFECTLY happy with my TV signal. Who decided I needed better TV signal? I don't understand this need for a switch, but I know one thing: I'm not paying for cable or satellite. I certainly hope there's never any attempt to force the public to do. I think cable's unfit to have in one's home from a moral standpoint, and I don't think satellite's any better.

Jackson sirens

NOW THAT the tornado season is approaching, I hope Jackson will place more storm-warning sirens in our city. I live in the west part of town and cannot hear the uptown siren. Please place more sirens throughout the city.

School overflow

DOES CHAMBER president John Mehner realize that if the parochial and private schools were not in operation, the public schools would be overflowing with pupils and would need more classrooms and teachers, not to mention additional cafeteria and parking spaces?

Government intrusion

REGARDING THE switch to high-definition TV next year: Where in the world did Congress get the misguided idea that it has the right to tell any of us what type of TV or satellite or cable or converter box we must use? I'm not opposed to high-def. I'm opposed to that level of government intrusion into my life. We all should be. We are, as some have said, becoming a nanny state and are willing to let Big Brother run every facet of our lives. We're losing the very things we have held dear for more than 220 years by our lackluster attitude.

Do-it-yourself airline

WHAT THE Cape Girardeau Regional Airport needs is for a group of local investors and entrepreneurs to form a regional airline based in Cape Girardeau. Fly to and from St. Louis, Memphis, Little Rock, Jefferson City, Kansas City and Chicago in a circuit. Make Cape Girardeau the hub. Arrange the schedule so you can connect in Cape Girardeau to other flights. We're never going to get the service we want from the major airlines or their subsidiaries. We're too small. But, with proper planning and management, I think a Cape Girardeau-based company could make it all work.

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I don't think that NTSC, the current standard for broadcast television, has been around for 220 years...

-- Posted by bobby62914 on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 12:15 AM

I apologize for he long post.

"Government intrusion"

"REGARDING THE switch to high-definition TV next year:"

High Definition and digital television will still be broadcast in NTSC following the changes next year.

The Speak Out caller was referring to the loss of freedoms, rights that

"we have held dear," and in no way referred to NSTC being around for 220 yars.

First, there was VHF (Very High Frequency) telivision channels. VHF operated on frequencies that equated to Channels 2 through 13 on our Black and White television sets. When the networks began to broadcast in Color on a limited basis back in 1950. It was a big deal, as they would throw up a graphic before the program saying that the following program was going to be broadcast in color. NBC used it's famous Peacock to illustrate a color presentation.

The difference in then, and the changes to come, is that you could still watch the color program on your black and white set, only, it would be in black and white. It was not necessary to purchase a new TV, unless you wanted to see the color programs.

Then,around 1952, came UHF. Ultra High Frequency television channels opearate in frequencies that equate to channels 14 to 83 on your televsion set equipped with UHF.

If you wanted to watch UHF channels, you had to buy a UHF equipped televsion set, or, purchase a UHF converter box and hook it up to your TV. You, also, had to split the antenna signal wire and connect it to the UHF box via a splitter that had UHF and VHF connections, but attached to the VHF screws on the back of your set.

The reason that they say that they are going to digital, and forcing that and Hi-DEF on us is that they need the frequency space that television occupied to sell off to other services that use that frequency band, or, will use it. Telivision signals will be compressed and transmitted digitally, whereby about six signals can be sent on the same frequency that one analog signal is sent. We now have analog sets. When you go shopping for a DVD recorder, or, television, besure that it says that it has a "digital tuner" inside of it.

If you remember the old C-Band satellite dishes, the huge 10 foot or so dishes you used to see dotting backyards across America, it went through the same digital makeover. Now, most satellite transmissions are in the KU band, are either Linear, which includes Free to Air signals, and Circular transmissions which are your Dish, Direct and in Canada, the BEV signals. The C-Band transmissions were analog, the Direct TV and DISH are digital. That is why you used to have to physically move your C-Band satellite dish from satellite to satellite by a hand crank, or, later via a actuator that moved the C-Band dish to the proper satellite, after it had been properly aligned to do so by a very painstaking, and ususally nerve racking procedure. You had a separate set top box that would move the dish automatically upon your command inside your home. Then, came the intergrated satellite receivers that had the dish positioner built into the unit.

With Dish and Direct TV, since they are digital signals, you do not have to move your outside dish. The signals are on the KU band, and they are usually strong signals. As Dish and Direct TV grew, when they ran out of space on a satellite, they added other satellites that were generally close to the original one. That is why you now seed the front of a small satellite dish, have a thing on an arm, that has two or three small things about the size of a silver dollar, coming out on extentisons form the thing on the arm coming out from the dish. It is called the LNB. Stands for Low Noise Block. The C-Band had an LNB, but it was much larger, and had to be positioned much further out from the dish on a single arm extention, or, on a tripod of arms going back to the dish.

If you still have the large C-band dishes, they can be converted to receive KU signals, both in analog and digital. There are still some, very limited transmissions on the C-Band, analog and KU band analog. Mostly news feeds from an on-site event, back to the network, and to transmit syndicated programs and some network programs from the syndicator, or, network to the subscribing television station, or, network affiliate. Those feeds are usually referred to as "Wild Feeds."

If intend to us a huge C-Band satellite dish to receive Ku analaog, or, KU digital broadcasts, such as Free to Air signals, then you should select a solid C-band dish, or, a mesh dish that has holes smaller than a pencil.

You will, also, need a FTA, or, Free To Air digital recevier. For brevity's sake, I won't go into the other option of 4DTV, which receives digital and analog signals on the big dish through a General Instruments (now part of Motorola) signal design. 4DTV is thought to be obsolete by the end of this decade. However, there are still plenty of radio signals broadast that you can pick up on the big C-Band dish.


Free To Air signals are digital, are received on a special FTA receiver, and include lots of free radio and television programming that is broadcast digitally. You can watch Chinese channels, Arabic, Dutch, Hungarian, you name it, and it is most likely up there, including some PBS services, and telivision stations. If you miss Grey's Anatomy on your local station, you could tune into a California station and watch it two hours later.

Click on a satellite and see what it broadcasts for free. http://www.lyngsat.com/america.html

If you wish to view more than one satellite, you have the option of buying other dishes and fixing them to that particular satellite, and running cable form them to a junction box device and combining the signals to one signal that goes to the receiver. Or, you can buy a FTA dish motor and turn the dish. The Dish that you use is larger than the normal DISH or Direct TV dish, it is about 3 foot across. Although you can buy a dish, which is about 36 inches, instead of the Dish 18 or so inch dish, a good, inexpensive alternative is to use an old PrimeStar dish. This kind of a do it yourself venture, as there are not many FTA dish installers around. Perhaps the most popular satellite is Galaxy 25, which used to be Telstar-5. Galaxy 25 has lots of free TV from the Middle East, Thailand, and US Based TBN, the Trinity Broadcasting Network. http://www.lyngsat.com/galaxy25.html

-- Posted by Brill on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 2:16 AM

Please, don't miss this article on the Cape's proposed .5% Sales tax increase. I will be voting NO!

-- Posted by coke zero on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 3:15 AM

"W" and his business buddies decided you needed new digital tv sets,,,,,,,,,more business for them........lol.............

-- Posted by changedname on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 6:11 AM

Government intrusion

Where in the world did Congress get the misguided idea that it has the right to tell any of us what type of TV or satellite or cable or converter box we must use?

They got the idea when the willfully ignorant public rolled over and said "take away my right to wear or not wear my seatbelt, take away my right to wear or not wear my helment, take away my smoking rights in private business's, etc, etc." Look for many more of your rights to be taken one by one as the willfully ignorant public stands idly by and allows it to happen.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 7:02 AM


You are so right, about us rolling over and losing our rights. That is why I shout so loudly. Some people don't think a thing about saying that they have nothing to hide and that they don't mind being searched, or, asked for ID for no reason.

They have the misguided notion that they are being patriotic, that they are somehow better than us, because, "I have nothing to hide. If you didn't have anying to hide, you wouldn't mind being searched."

Another reason that I get so angry when some pops off about us living in the free-ist nation on earth, is that if you cannot choose to whom you will rent your house, or, whom you will hire in the business that you own, free and clear, then, buddy, you ain't free. It has nothing to do with "discrimination." It is all about control.

I am sick of people who are willing to give up our freedoms for a "good cause," or, because it is the "nice" thing to do. Right, or, wrong, I blame the "feel good" American, most often it is a woman who will give up our rights in a minute. But, other times, it is a "conservative" who will remind you that "We live in differnt times since 9-11. We have to defeat the terrorists, and to do that we must all do our part. Even if it means giving up rights."

Thank you for your solid insight.

-- Posted by Brill on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 7:18 AM

Jonathan McClard was a troubled young person; he wasn't able to handle the love-triangle he was involved in rationally. There are lots of people in the world like him that feel the need to retaliate instead of processing their emotions and walking away from the situation.

-- Posted by sosassy on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 7:23 AM


Right you are. Remember PRIMESTAR satellite dishes that were popular in the late 80's and early 90's?

It was the Japanese who developed the small dish transmission on DSS. It wasn't an American. We began to lose our edge years ago. Anyway, We could have had small dish transmission in the US almost immediately. It was the GHW Bush ran Reagan adminstration that put a stop to Americans getting the service for several years. They wanted to give their friends, particularly, that worse scumbag of all, John Malone of TCI Cable. Malone had powerful Republcian friends. They stood by while Malone threatened, armtwisted and forced cable channels to let him be a "partner" in their service. He forced them to scramble their signals, or, TCI, which had a huge chunk of wired homes in America back then, would not carry them. They had more power than he did, but one by one, they caved in. Well, he got them to scramble signals on C-Band satellite. Most C-Band viewers were watching channels for free in the early and mid-80's. Malone forced the the networks to scramble, then, the came up with a "subscriber service" and sold unscrambled programming to C-Band users. If you really want to get into it, in my opinion, Malone ran TCI with just about as much threat and intimidation as the Mafia. No, I am not kidding. Then, when the small dish was developed in Japan, special interests got the US Government to stall the development and deployment of the small dish in America.

Malone came up with PRIMESTAR. It was an analog KU band service, but it was very limited because they transmitted their programming in analog. The Japanese system was digital, DSS. Eventually, Dish, Direct, Echostar, were delivering home service in DSS Digital to homes in America, and Primestar went under, or, was absorbed by one of the major players, and home based subscriber services became digital in the KU Band, delivered on a Circular LNB.

It couldn't have happened to a scummier person. Just my opinion.

-- Posted by Brill on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 7:32 AM

What was Jonathon's father's name?

-- Posted by Brill on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 7:33 AM

In regards to the child that hung himself.

I understand the emotions running high in regards to the child who committed a crime, was found guilty and then took his life. Juvenile crime is always an emotional roller coaster. And no, a child is actually not a 'bad' kid. They are children who make 'bad' choices. Many have not had any guidance, no home life, or mimic what they see at home. Many have anger management problems. Should a juvenile be housed in an adult prison? NO. Does sending him to Juvenile Hall do any good? Rarely. What he/she does not already know about crime they will learn from the others. And they usually feed off of each other. Does anyone know his background? He may have a very lengthy record. And last, unless you have been involved in the judicial system and understand the criminal code, etc. you as an average individual (someone without professional training in the subject area) will not ever understand the why for's. It is a sad sitution, yes. I agree. My heart goes out to both families. Oh, and an afterthought…..children that make 'bad' choices and commit terrible acts come from "all levels of society" not just the lower socio-economic groups. Taking someone else's life is and should be prosecuted to the inth degree. However, when someone takes his own it seems to some as very selfish because no one except the left families understand the hurt, feels the pain, and will never be able to understand why. And that 'why' will haunt them forever. I do believe there are tell-tale signs that a person could harm himself. And maybe these signs were there and missed. If the signs were there and seen by law enforcement then he should have been placed on suicide watch. I feel deeply saddened for both families. Another sad thing is that many families with children that are capable of doing this seem to be in denial of their childs choice in friends, actions, what he likes an dislikes, etc. We have to be a parent that can see our child for what he really is and have the courage to face it and then deal with it heads up. I had too many mothers coming in and defending the chid who committed an horrific crime and had a record longer than your arm telling us what a wonderful person he was and he/she did not have it in him to do this.

To 'IN MY OPINION' the schools are full of children that are on medication for some type of problem or another. There are also many children diagnosed as ADHD that are not. That is an issue in and of itself. But, there are children that do require medication for some type of personality disorders. And usually these children do have to have their med's adjusted regularly. Many of them cannot contain themselves. If a teacher does not notice that a child is get 'antsy' and have him go make a 'run around the building' or something to relieve it then there will be an outburst of some sort. One school my grandson went to he had his tennis shoes stolen. I went to the school to confront the teacher when I could not get my grandson to tell me anything. Later I found out that the child that took them was allowed to walk the halls whenever he wished and they were afraid of his parents. This particular school is in a small, small town and run by family.

To "looking for answers" I assume discussing it with the teacher is getting you nowhere. The next step up the line would be the principals office to discuss exactly how you feel. Before you go I would suggest that you make an itemized list of your complaints keeping them short and directly to the point. Make a copy for the principal.

Use your copy so you don't add something but you do not miss anything. You do not want to ramble. Be extremely polite but to the point. You are wanting him/her to know that you have spoken with little jonnies teacher on x y z occasions concerning work and low grades. As of yet you received no help and then explain exactly what was asked by you and what was told to you. And if promised something and she did not deliver tell them that. After you have said all you have on your list and feel that you got your point across you need to ask if he could set up an appointment time that the 3 of you could meet together to go over this so there would not be any misunderstanding on your part of what should happen. I have had some principals bring the teachers in right then and send them a substitute or the teacher may actually be on his free period. Then after all this you do not get satisfaction you can either go to your school board if you are really having a problem or just request your child be moved to another class. Before you ask for this you should check who the alternative is and if it will be better or worse. You don't want to ask for it and have the same issues again.

-- Posted by JudgePat on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 1:05 AM

This was posted late on sundays post, it makes sense.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 8:30 AM

How did the justices fail the Mcclard family? He shot another person 3 times. Why should he be given special consideration? He was tried as an adult as he should be and when it came time for him to do the time for his crime he got scared. So be it. No one forced him to hang himself.

-- Posted by outnabout on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 8:32 AM

One would think the vultures in Speak Out, etc, should have their fill of picking the bones of the McClard case clean, at the expense of both surviving families of course. One of the final things my mother shared right before she passed on was to not waste time mourning for her, because the moment she took her last breath she'd no longer have any concerns for the affairs of this world.

Our Master has the boy's soul now to do with as He will, despite what the chatterers of this domain have to say. So perhaps it's time for the birds to circle over some fresh meat.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 9:07 AM


You mean Cape has another new sales tax, say it ain't so!!!

-- Posted by Donnie on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 9:20 AM

This whole digital TV switch is much ado about nothing. If you don't have a digital tuner in your TV and don't have cable or satelite go get a converter box.

Wow that is really tough. I hardly think this is big brother coming down on us. It reminds me of the Y2K scare...as soon as it passes it was nothing but a bunch of hot air.


Man this caller is whacked out. What a pipe dream to think that could be pulled off. Maybe in a hundred years or more.

-- Posted by SWBG on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 9:49 AM

Herr Hauptmann, DES,

This is one time that I can say I agree with you 100%. Very nicely stated.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 10:14 AM


Thanks. Some times the "nice monster" bags a bite out of me despite my best efforts to fend him off!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 10:37 AM

Herr Hauptmann,

Yeah, that "nice monster" can be a B**CH sometimes. Though one would think that others in here manage to fend it off on a regular basis. LOL

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 11:01 AM


It is a little slow today. Any "fresh meat" topics. And no conspiracy theories please.

-- Posted by SWBG on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 11:17 AM

Just an updated reminder for those regulars--

Buffalo Wild Wings on Saturday.

Any suggestions for times?

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 11:36 AM


Big 10-4 on the nice-monster-avoidance issue!!!

Bald Guy:

If you want "fresh meat", check out the article on the joyful stuff Gov. Blunt plans for us, on spending. Political affiliatation is a moot point on this one, as the "tax monster" is out to get us. Life can be a real dog.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 12:04 PM

Yeah,Herr's remarks sure would make me feel better if my Son took his own life!Big difference between natural causes and suicide.There is never complete closure with suicide!He is however correct when he mentions that this horse has been beat enough!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 12:04 PM

My only "concern" about the switch to all-digital is about the signal-strength. Since most all digital stations will use the shorter-range, generally lower-powered UHF frequencies, this could affect the reception for "over the air" antennas. What once might have been a "good" picture, with just a little "snow", will now be non-existent, because digital will not tolerate "snowy" signal reception. That, and the UHF-band is the most weather-sensitive set of frequencies, even more so than VHF.

I can see changing with the times, yes. But I'd prefer that it would be voluntary.

-- Posted by donknome on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 12:21 PM

Off topic,

This just came from a buddy of mine who is Baghdad, after I asked him how things were going.

"Doing good. I hate to say it, but it is getting boring. All these militants coming over to our side hunting Al=Qieda, and peace rallies with Sunni and Shia downtown. Hopefully, things will stay peaceful and this will be our last tour."

But what does he know. All he does is go look for IEDs along the roadsides.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 12:25 PM

Herr Hauptman,

I agree, I think everyone who has an opinion has aired it including myself. No good can come of continuing with the discussion. It seems as though everyone's mind is firmly set on their own opinion and will not be changed by anyone's rhetoric no matter how well written. If someone feels strongly enough, I would encourage them to write their legislators to either encourage changes or support the laws as they now stand. I have also always encouraged citizens to attend court to see what is really going on, you would not believe what I have seen over the years.

Jerry Fletcher,

I actually agree with something you wrote and it worries me to no end. I read it by accident as it was not your usual length with websites attached.

-- Posted by D'oh on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 12:54 PM


I hope that "boring" is all that makes the news for some time. Thanks for the snippet.

-- Posted by SWBG on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 12:58 PM

Buffalo Wild Wings on Saturday.

gee will that be smoking or non smoking? lol

-- Posted by hotrod_girl_is_here on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 4:05 PM

Buffalo Wild Wings on Saturday.

gee will that be smoking or non smoking? lol

-- Posted by hotrod_girl_is_here on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 4:05 PM

ok i only hit that once dont know why it posted twice sorry

-- Posted by hotrod_girl_is_here on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 4:06 PM

fajar154, Glad to hear your buddy's good news! From what I can tell, things in my brother's area, southern Baghdad are a bit calmer too (knock on wood). Last night's intel, his unit is using a hammer and nails to build a watch tower. I'd much rather hear he hit his thumb with a hammer than out on a mission. He even sent a photo too! Whoa!

-- Posted by coke zero on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 5:35 PM

Joanne Emmerson claims that ethonal has had no impact of food prices. Is she kidding? She must not purchase groceries for herself.

-- Posted by Make no mistake about it on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 5:54 PM

Kinda boring forum day...I went ahead and copied my comments from today's article. Thought it might spark some interesting conversation? Perhaps, those who agree to Vote NO...should start a Vote NO foundation? Or at least a Vote NO campaign?

FYI...If this sales tax proposal is voted in, a taxpayer could save $187.50 on sales tax by buying a $15,000 car in Jackson verse Cape.

Sorry, I say vote NO! Reason, Cape 7.975%. That's too much sales tax! We, as a City, need to find a way to accomplish these improvements within our CURRENT tax base budget. An improved city with 7.975% sales tax will NOT be attractive to new business ventures, homeowners, shoppers or tourists.

I have a concern with the wording "significant portion of these funds". It sounds as though, there is NO guarantee these funds will be appropriated to the proposed items.

"How much revenue would a half percent sales tax provide? o 3/8 cent would provide approximately $3,060,000/yr for capital projects. A significant portion of these funds would be used to cover the payments on the proposed bond issue. o 1/8 cent would provide approximately $1,020,000/yr for operational costs.

* How would our sales tax compare with neighboring communities after a ½% increase?

o Cape 7.975

o Jackson 6.725

o Perryville 7.475

o Poplar Bluff 7.475

o Scott City 6.975

o Sikeston 7.725"



-- Posted by coke zero on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 5:57 PM

Vote no on all new tax increases. Force the city officials to actually earn their pay by having to formulate a budget and sticking to it, instead of always running to the citizens for more money. Besides, we do not need more ball diamonds at the parks. And remember, they have not been truthfull on almost every tax increase that's been approved.

-- Posted by Make no mistake about it on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 6:07 PM

BakersBigBurger, Wow! I think this is the first time we have been in agreement. Nice change of pace.

-- Posted by coke zero on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 6:32 PM

Funny Alien Rabbit, Not to mention the CID Town Plaza Sales Tax...starting 7/1/08... I believe another 1%! $$ ching $$ Ching $$

-- Posted by coke zero on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 7:13 PM

c'mon guys---speak up on times for Saturday..

don't make me get the whip out early!! =P

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 7:29 PM


Is that a promising threat or threatening promise???

Just one question, is B.W.W. for drinks or dinner? I haven't been there, but that would help with time line.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 7:42 PM

bethie & pups, I'm good with anytime. Pup you are the one who has to work, I'd eat with you too. hehe

-- Posted by coke zero on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 7:54 PM


I'm usually out of part-time job by 3:30. So anytime after say 5-5:30 would work for me. Gives me time to get home and get ready. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 8:10 PM

Come up with a time and number of people for BWW, and I'll see to it that a table is reserved.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Mon, Jan 14, 2008, at 8:41 PM

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