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Saturday, January 5, 2008

Unfair TV plan

I THINK it is terrible everyone has to buy new TVs or a converter box. I think it should be stopped. This isn't fair to all the older people and families who can't afford to do this.

It takes a woman

REGARDING DEADBEAT mothers: Any female can give birth to child, but it takes a woman to be a mother. Thank you to all good mothers who take care of their children.

Missing police

THE CAPE Girardeau police showed a lack of concern for the downtown area on New Year's Eve. I saw three fights in the middle of Main Street with no police officer to be seen. I think it's unusual to see the police out when there's nothing going on, but when there is a big event like New Year's Eve they are nowhere to be seen.

Good coverage

I REALLY enjoyed your coverage of the Southeast Missourian Christmas Tournament. Thanks.

Moral capitalism

I AGREE with your editorial that many still don't understand the "no free lunch" school of economics and are vulnerable to mortgage and other scams. Part of the reason is because people are too trusting in their fellow man and think that capitalism has a moral component to it.

Piling up debt

I KNOW this may come as a shocker: George W. Bush is not responsible for the great flood, the crucifixion, Hurricane Katrina, the Tunguska meteorite, the last ice age, the extinction of the dinosaurs or your local property taxes or state sales taxes. Your property taxes went up because the county reassessed your property and found it worth more than in previous years. And if the sales taxes you are paying are too much, write your state legislators and ask them to cut spending on social welfare programs. The bulk of your tax dollars go to these programs. But do not hold your breath.

Helping Habitat

PROFESSIONAL builders. as you describe them, either do not have the time to volunteer their services or will not do the work for Habitat for Humanity because they will not get union scale. The whole idea behind Habitat is for volunteers to help the less fortunate in our communities. Have you ever volunteered your time? Do you know what goes on at one of the Habitat sites?

Taxi money

AMEN ON being tired of tax money going to taxi service. Did you know that the cab drivers were given a Christmas bonus? And have you ever checked the salary of the Cape Transit Authority director? What a waste of my money.


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Missing police:

This comes as no suprise to me!Cape PD...WHAT A JOKE!They were not interrested

in fighting,they are instructed to look for revenue.Now,some of you may be thinking that

I have no basis for my comment.Let me just say that I have heard this first hand from a former police officer in Cape and I was not at all suprised!There is no money in breaking up a fight folks,they look for any reason to pull drivers over such as license plate bulbs burned out and other medial problems with a vehicle.This gives them an oppurtunity to harrass and search which in my opinion is illegal!Its all about money in Cape and this upsets this writer to no end!

By the way,Cape PD response time is also pitiful!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 6:50 AM

Missing police,

I would imagine New Year's Eve was a busy night for the police department; did you call to inform the police station of the incidents? If not, you should not comment. If you did and they did not respond, that is another story.

I have not had experience with the police department in the last few years, but a few years back, when I did need and call them they came very quickly! And their attentiveness to the situation was excellent. THANK YOU for Serving our community!

Having lived in a much larger metro-area for 17 years, with smaller township's police departments, who indeed had the only goal of revenue in mind...Cape does NOT do this! If they did, you would not be able to drive in a school zone without being ticketed for going over 20 mph. (I travel Caruthers, Mt. Auburn and Clark often enough to KNOW Cape does NOT do this in these areas.) In addition, if revenue were the ONLY goal, the speed limit in neighborhood areas would be reduced to 20-25 mph; which IS the case in some cities and allows for more opportunities to generate revenue.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 7:15 AM

Regarding Unfair TV plan, Question for someone in the KNOW: It is my understanding that if you have Cable or Satelite service such as Direct TV...the converter box is NOT needed. Is this correct?

-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 7:17 AM

Melange:

you don't get out much do you?

Sorry girl,your wrong!You must think my story about the officer who told me he was instructed by his superiors to persue revenue was made up!Melange,I do not lie or tell tales.

This is the truth and its pretty obvious if you get out a bit!No disrespect but I had a serious issue in my neighborhood with kids shooting cars with paint ball guns and it

took 20 minutes for a response.I live 1 mile from the station and very close to you.Several cars and trucks with windows down were shot at and when they did arrive

they came with lights on and the kids just ran away!Again,no revenue in catching these kids!My opinion here and I don't expect everyone to agree.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 7:27 AM

Taxi money, Regarding Cape's taxi service: I've only had to call for a taxi once in 6 years. After waiting an hour for the taxi; I called back and was told they had NO driver to offer service at the time. (8am on a weekday morning) Had to impose on a friend, probably will just skip the frustration of calling the taxi service the next time I need a ride.

Helping Habitat: The intent is volunteerism, and NO permit should be required. However, I do agree there should be supervision from someone who knows how it should be done. (Which until recently, that is how ALL home repair persons for hire were handled in Cape. For example, if you called a plumber, the persons actually doing the work were rarely licensed; they were employed as an apprentice, by a licensed individual.)

-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 7:28 AM

GREYWOLF, Would never call you a liar, but it could be MUCH worse...trust me. If Cape really were ONLY interested in revenue, the speed zones would be reduced in our neighborhoods, to the stupid rate of 20 mph.

I had a situation a few years back, they came quickly and handled the situation very well. However, I don't have any buds on the Police force, so your information might be reliable about that. I have always suspected (not just in Cape) there was a quota or goal oriented system, with regard to revenue.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 7:36 AM

Mel,

You are right. If you have satelite or cable you do not need a converter box. The converter box is for those who receive their signal through the air using an attena. There will also be $40 coupons being sent out to residential customers to be able to apply to the cost of the converter box. If you have a newer TV you do not need a converter box either as these are ready for the digital signal.

-- Posted by SWBG on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 8:03 AM

short white bald guy, Thanks. Am now curious, with the new converter box, will the rabbit ears still be necessary? I would like to have one TV that local channels don't go out on when satelite loses signal. ie storms.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 8:10 AM

melange: rabbit ears will be obsolete.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 8:16 AM

Cape Library Director Betty Martin was not honest with citizens by telling them that if they voted for a substantial tax increase the library would be expanded. If you drive by the library you can easily see that it has been almost completely torn down. Cape is getting an entirely new library. We are spending much more money than what would have been necessary to rebuild, especially considering that libraries are soon to be obsolete due to computers. I am tired of being lied to by city officials wanting tax increases for their pet projects. Betty Martin should be terminated immediately along with her accomplices.

-- Posted by Make no mistake about it on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 8:22 AM

Unfair TV Plan,

The change to digital TV signals coming February of next year is not only necessary but long overdue. Bandwidth has become extremely over crowded because of the proliferation of wireless devices such as cell phones, blackberries and even garage door openers, all of which require a frequency to operate on. Changing television signals to digital not only frees up bandwidth but will also be a major improvement in picture quality, reception and the type of programming your television will be receiving. The change has already been delayed several times because of uninformed, whining tecnophobes like you. You have received FREE entertainment for most of your life over the TV so why complain about having to buy a small attachment to continue and even improve that free service, especially when the government is going to reimburse you for it! And, as mentioned in another comment here if you're on cable or a satellite dish you won't have to do anything at all, the service will convert the signal from digital to analog before it's sent to your TV. Find something important to complain about!

-- Posted by Data48 on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 8:32 AM

Why we didn't leave Cape's transit in the hands of private citizens, I have no idea. Also, have you seen some of those transit drivers? The one with his hat always cocked sideways?

Melange,

Greywolf is right about the Police/Revenue situation. I have a "relatively" close source that can verify it. Without getting him fired, trust me on this one, it happens.

-- Posted by Mr_Nutty_Pancakes on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 8:54 AM

melange: rabbit ears will be obsolete

How do you figure that digital signal is going to get to her converter box?

-- Posted by Marion_Morrison on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 8:56 AM

RE: unfair TV plan

They passed the most recent CAFE standards for car manufacturers in the same manner. What they did was pass the rule, saying that "it's several years off in the future, and we'll have the technology by then and it will be affordable" and everyone buys into that load of crap. Then several years go by and everyone has forgotten about that little piece of seemingly insignificant legislation until the due date comes around and then everyone panics and complains because they can't afford the cost of the new equipment.

-- Posted by dixietrucker on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 9:18 AM

RE: Missing police

The courts have ruled repeatedly that the police have no legally binding obligation to be anywhere at any given time to protect anyone from anything. If fights are breaking out, it probably would have been wise for you to leave the area, rather than wait around looking for the police.

-- Posted by dixietrucker on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 9:22 AM

Wow...they took off the posts on the 17-year old.

-- Posted by Mr_Nutty_Pancakes on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 9:25 AM

Marion_Morrison, Electronics is one of the many areas I graciously admit to be very ignorant in! (It took me several hours to hook up my DVD recorder, so it would work properly.)

-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 9:25 AM

Mr_Nutty_Pancakes, As they should have, there were many very inappropriate comments being made! Very, very sad situation. And with each passing day, I grow more amazed with SOME behaviors in public forums.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 9:28 AM

BakersBigBurger, Did you go to the City Council meetings when the tax and changes were proposed? Did you vote on the issue? Cape Library Director, Betty Martin does a wonderful job serving our community.

I wish SOME folks would stop complaining and get involved. They would learn the City Council listens when the community speaks up.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 9:34 AM

Dixietrucker:

Please cite some of those court opinions that state that police have no legally binding obligation to be anywhere at any given time.

It's not a legal duty, per se. It's a public duty because taxpayers expect their police force to protect the general public. The police have a duty to serve and protect in situations where increased security is needed. If the police force fails to provide it, we go to our city officials. If they don't fix, we have the ballot box.

-- Posted by Ike on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 9:35 AM

Unfair TV's:

I see it has been written before but some people just look like they don't seem to get it.

With the new switch over in Feb. unless you are on bunny ears to receive your local stations, YOU DO NOT NEED TO DO ANYTHING.

If you have Charter basic, no cable box, YOU DO NOT NEED TO DO ANYTHING.

If you have any other form of Charter, YOU DO NOT NEED TO DO ANYTHING.

If you have Dish Network or Direct TV, YOU DO NOT NEED TO DO ANYTHING.

If you are on bunny ears, spend $30 a month and get the Charter Basic package. You get all your local stations and about 55+ more. Or, get a Dish, you will get your local stations and about 65+ stations for $30. And if you are so hard up that you can't spend $30 a month, then stop sitting on the couch and do something else with your valuable time!

-- Posted by Samus on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 9:54 AM

Mrs. Madhouse steps from the corner, drags out her soapbox, steps onto it, clears her throat, and begins:

I have to jump in here on the police situation in Cape. Although I have a very close relative on the department and have worked there in years passed, I have no great love for the CGPD. I find many of the officers rude and arrogant. (I apologize to those who are NOT rude and arrogant, but you are in the minority.) HOWEVER--perhaps you should check out how the city is laid out and how officers are assigned.

There are four areas in the city with the inner boundaries being Independence and West End Blvd. One car is assigned each area. On a good night there may be two "rovers" that back-up those four, and there is a supervisor who covers the whole city and takes calls if necessary. There may or may not be a K-9 unit out. Now then, if there is a serious call where an officer is not alone, someone has to back him up. If there are two serious calls, that means four officers are tied up with those situations leaving three (if everything is going right) to cover the whole city of Cape Girardeau. Sometimes prisoners have to be transported to the County jail, sometimes officers have to sit at the hospital and wait to get important information. Sometimes they may even have to take care of those bodily functions the rest of us are allowed to take care without the pressure of a life hanging over us.

I am sure the Cape officers have been told to make money for the city--THEY can not be blamed for that. THAT comes from higher up and it happens everywhere. I honestly think, their bad attitudes aside, that the officers of the CGPD do the best they can with what they are given. You try to fill their shoes (or the shoes of any of the personnel working on a busy night)and see if you can be everywhere you need to be every minute of those 12 hour shifts they work. I seriously doubt you could cut it.

I will now step down off my soapbox and slip back to the lurker's corner.

-- Posted by Maxine_the_Magnificent on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 10:14 AM

Ike: I don't post here much, seldom would be a better term, however if I have noticed anything here it is please don't confuse the conversation with facts. Makes for some very boring post. If you ask for facts to back up a statement, you have committed an unforgivable sin, that is if you believe in the Bible. Personally I miss some of the older posters, they seemed to discuss things with facts, they didn't agree, but could back up things they said. As one poster here said many moons ago, some talk the talk, but others do walk the walk. I laugh everyday when I get home and read some of the comments on here. It does make for a relaxing bourbon sipping time.

-- Posted by lvsholeflow on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 10:16 AM

A bit of mis-information has been posted by several people here today. Rabbit ears will NOT become obsolete. They will pick up the new digital signal just fine. What is becoming obsolete is the tuning section of older analog televisions. With the converter box that the federal government is sending out coupons for any standard antenna will still pick up over the air digital tv signals. KFVS's web-site has all the information you need. This isn't that big a deal people, it's called progress!

http://www.kfvs12.com/global/category.as...

The Official KFVS12 and Heartland News Web

-- Posted by Data48 on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 11:04 AM

lvsholeflow,

I post here often, but don't usually use paiste to a website to back up my opinions. Though I do hope I can make you smile while having your bourbon once and awhile.

-- Posted by Pups on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 11:05 AM

Have new digital TV. Rabbit ears bring in the signal just fine. Have trouble getting channel 3 but what the heck, it is free.

Police: I doubt that the fights mentioned were more than a drunken scuffle like an adolescent play ground fight. The play ground sense of justice took over and every one went home. Does that merit a police call, an arrest, a record...no! If it is a regular thing then it is a problem but if once a year is it then ces't la vie.

As for the response time, the dispatcher probably has some sort of priority for calls that are referred to officers for response, paint balls ain't high on that list.

Revenue for the city from law enforcement, guess you don't remember parking meters. It all adds up.

-- Posted by John Baker on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 11:27 AM

BakersBigBurger, It appears SOME may not enjoy reading the physical book, many do and prefer not to have a huge library of their own. In my opinion libraries will never be obsolete. Do you have any idea of the other functions local libraries offers the community? For instance, proctoring exams for students who take independent classes, encouraging little ones to read ones, internet services, references etc

You did not answer my questions...did you attend the City Council meetings when this topic was discussed? Did you get out and vote? If you did not, be still. Hind sight is always 20/20 and it is always easy to complain (and not do anything about it).

Swan, Did you go to the City Council meetings and LISTEN to the actual plans? OR Did you rely on the media to gather YOUR information?

-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 11:50 AM

tell you what, you keep your rabbit ears, when everything is switched over and there is no signal, then you will know.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 11:55 AM

Melange;

i did vote NO on the Library proposal and because I sit on a City Board I also listened to the presentation given by Betty!

The city stuck it on a very early Spring ballot when no one was paying attention!Typical city ploy!There going to do it again with the sales tax increase proposal!Im sick of it as you should be since your the most outspoken person in regards to the city functions!

Also: I read all the comments about the 17 year old and I also had the first post!I did not read any post that were not true!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 12:13 PM

GREYWOLF, First, completely AGREE people need to PAY attention and get involved!

Since you attended what is YOUR opinion? Was the presentation that was given to the Board different than what is taking place?

Many choose NOT to use their time to educate themselves or get involved, that is their right. Those who make those choices, should not complain. I am outspoken because I am trying to encourage those who are unhappy to get involved, rather than just complain.

Can't fault city officials, if NO one CARES enough to pay attention, attend the PUBLIC meetings.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 12:42 PM

GREYWOLF, BTW...Sincere, thanks for serving our community!

-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 12:43 PM

Regarding the TV converters and the big switch over... I'm more concerned with loosing my incandescent light bulbs than the big tv switchover. Does anyone know the shelf life of lightbulbs? I'm thinking of stock piling several cases. I hate those new energy efficient coiled bulbs.

-- Posted by user Vast Right Wing Conspiracy on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 12:48 PM

melange: calm down. :) Want to join us for margarita's?

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 12:48 PM

Aggiefan, Actually NOT upset at all...just very passionate! That is MY nature...once I sink my teeth into something, I'm like a pit bull...won't let go. (Hilleco will be calling for the Cape dog catches to come get me. LMAO)

Were you serious about the drinks? Or are you saying I need one? LOL

-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 12:53 PM

Oh sure Aggie only invite Melange. LMAO j/k

I'm at work anyway. :(

-- Posted by Pups on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 12:53 PM

PUPSLOVER, We do need to plan a group outing sometime, that involves the option of alcohol. Could lead to interesting conversations, and will need to check the guns at the door. Sorry, our options, alcohol and guns...would make me VERY VERY nervous. LOL

-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 12:57 PM

Melange, I agree no guns w/alcohol, you know how passionate some people get in these discussions. LOL

-- Posted by Twiggy60 on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 1:06 PM

Oh Pups, My self-esteem is still bruised over not fitting into your "perfect" women mold, as I don't sling guns, ride a big bike or use whips. LOL Brought back all those school day popular clicky memories...AUGGH! I will also add, don't have tattoos, don't enjoy pain or whippings, my ears are only pierced once, and I am happy to claim, just a simple ole' fashioned girl!

YES, girl chit chat! hehe

-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 1:08 PM

Melange,

You know me.... variety is never a bad thing. Good girl, Bad girl, Crazy girl.. all work for me.

And being that I've always been part of the geek squad even in high school, don't like the clicke' thing much. Not saying I haven't been in some of them, but don't like being on the outside looking in. LOL

-- Posted by Pups on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 1:16 PM

Pups, I know...just wanted to have a little fun! (Now am wondering if I fall in the "crazy girl" slot!)

Reminds me of a saying in Godfather III book I read, "lei pensa troppo" (you think too much). I wrote it down, because it describes me to the "T".

-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 1:25 PM

They have opened the new mexican resturant here in town, maybe we could meet when twiggy and I get back next week. We will buy the first pitcher.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 1:35 PM

LOL...

I never really feel part of a clique...

I just make friends with everyone and anyone..

so I think ur cool Melange. *big grin*

I didn't see the comments on the 17 year old..

but I did see the comments on the kid from SC..

and I normally will never post anything...but felt compelled to have a "pretend moderator" moment and post the forum rules as a warning...

primarily because they were attacking the character of individuals not present to defend themselves and (as some posters were family members on each side) they were cussing each other out. *shrugs*

I figured it was a matter of time before someone yanked all the posts over there...

but I haven't checked it today.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 1:36 PM

Melange;

I must say that Betty did present things

as they are with drawings and placement of

shelves and books.What we see over there is

looking a lot like I saw on the prints.I will give them that much!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 1:44 PM

Aggiefan,

Check the link that swan posted. It shows a TV and one of the new converter boxes connected to a set of RABBIT EARS! Rabbit ears work exactly like the antenna on the roof of your house, they're just smaller. They will receive the new digital signal just fine. I think you may be confusing DTV (Digital Television) with HDTV (High Definition Television) which is an entirely different thing.

-- Posted by Data48 on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 1:53 PM

GREYWOLF, Thanks...that is what I was thinking you would say. ~And those who are complaining, if they had taken the time to attend (or watch) and voted NO; would not have a reason to complain now.~

-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 1:57 PM

Aggiefan,

Sorry, this is the link showing the converter connected to a set of rabbit ears not the one swan posted. My bad! It's the same link you go to to get your coupons for the converters so everyone else may want to see it too.

https://www.dtv2009.gov/

TV Converter Program Website

-- Posted by Data48 on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 1:59 PM

PUPS, you're talking about me, right? "Good girl, Bad girl, Crazy girl" Nothing wrong with a little multiple personality, is there? ;)

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 2:02 PM

Which one is that, Aggie? I noticed a Mex restaurant near the new campground...but it appeared to be open the late nights I drove past it. I like the idea of an evening group--being the Night Owl I am.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 2:04 PM

It is where the old Sonic was on main street.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 2:08 PM

I'm sorry I forgot to say in Scott City, haven't tried it yet so don't know if it's any good or not. Might try it out when we get back from our next trip.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 2:10 PM

Aggiefan, Give us as much heads up as you can, and we will do our best to gather a group for a fun time.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 2:19 PM

An evening when PUPS and anyone else who works evenings/nights will be off? SuperBethie, maybe YOU could make it?

Librule, still wishing you good luck (and lots of stamina) on your New Year's Resolution! Proud of you for the attempt!

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 2:30 PM

Gurusmom,

Talking about all the women in my life. Variety is always the spice of life and multiple personalities can work as well. A woman I work with changes her hair color slightly each time and her husband ask will he be sleeping with a brunet,redhead or blonde when she gets home. LMAO

-- Posted by Pups on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 2:31 PM

Gurusmom,

I work M-F evenings, but understand if easier for others to meet during the week. But thank you for thinking of me.

-- Posted by Pups on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 2:32 PM

We will try to make it for a Saturday evening sometime, hopefully that will work out for everyone and if we get back on our schedule that will work best for us also.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 2:35 PM

Mary's Madhouse,

In the interest of full disclosure, I also have a close relative on the Cape PD. I do not, however, know any of the other Officers and don't live in Cape so I can't comment on their attitudes or performance. Based on my admittedly limited experience, I agree totally with the other aspects of your post. I know I sure would not want their jobs.

-- Posted by D'oh on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 2:36 PM

Ike- here's your court cases

lvsholeflow & any other newcomers that may have missed this topic being discussed back on 12/19...here's the "facts" that back up my claim that the police have no legal obligation to protect anyone or anything at any time....enjoy:

Warren v. D.C.

DeShaney v. Winnebago County

Balistreri v. Pacifica Police Department

Castle Rock v. Gonzales

South v. Maryland

Bowers v. Devito

Hartzler v. City of San Jose

Davidson v. City of Westminister

Antique Arts Corp. v. City of Torrence

Souza v. City of Antioch

Ford v. Town of Grafion

Cocking v. Wade

Bradshaw v. Prince George's County

Macias V. Ihde

...and those cases are just the tip of the iceberg.

-- Posted by dixietrucker on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 2:45 PM

Does anyone have concerns regarding No Child Left Behind? If so, I would appreciate hearing them.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 3:12 PM

Yes, Melange..I do. The question we need to be asking is "Is our children learning?" haha

-- Posted by allen6177 on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 3:28 PM

swan, But swan did you GO or to the PUBLIC meetings where the proposed designs were presented to the PUBLIC and City Council?

Yes, indeed I am critical (and not apologizing for it) when I feel folks are complaining and have NOT invested their time to do what I feel is the most effective method of gaining ACCURATE information. If YOU were going to be THIS concerned (enough to complain) about exactly what was going to happen, YOU should have gone to the City Council meeting (and the study session).

Not trying to pick on YOU specifically, but your discussion has helped me make my point. PAY ATTENTION, DO your homework, BE SMART, (uhh...trust no one) and get involved BEFORE something you don't like happens. Swan, thank you sir for your help in getting the message out.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 3:49 PM

swan, Regarding NCLB...your comment would be pretty difficult to debate. WHY, do you feel it is not working? (And I have no intentions of debating this topic. I'm looking for others perspectives.)

-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 3:52 PM

allen6177, I am a bit paranoid...are you making fun of my grammar? Grammar, spelling or proofreading are NOT among of my strengths.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 4:02 PM

No Melange...

That was a quote from G.W. Bush in one of his speaches. I believe that was when he was promoting NCLB. =)

-- Posted by allen6177 on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 4:05 PM

allen6177, ahhhhh...in that case. LMAO

-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 4:06 PM

Here are some more words of Wisdom...

http://www.slate.com/id/76886/

Something to lighten things up. lol

-- Posted by allen6177 on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 4:13 PM

err..."speeches" not speaches lol.

-- Posted by allen6177 on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 4:18 PM

Good lord. This Speak Out sure gets people emotional! lol. Melange, I see your point about don't complain if you didn't get involved and find out for yourself before you voted...on anything. I don't imagine Melange would go to PTA meetings. If I am correct, melange doesnt have kids?

-- Posted by allen6177 on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 5:16 PM

allen6177, You are correct and I do believe most in the forum know that. The inability to have children does NOT make me less interested in NCLB or the success of our local school district. I have yet to state an opinion on the topic in the forum, and was interested in what other "local" thoughts/concerns were and why they felt that way. (I could easily google it to find logical debate on both sides.)

-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 5:36 PM

I was agreeing with you. I understand why you have an interest in the discussion. I hope I didnt sound rude.

-- Posted by allen6177 on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 5:44 PM

melange, I knew you were agreeing! Was piggy backing a message. Don't want to stimulate more whizzzing contest! LOL

-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 5:53 PM

allen6177, Whoops...LMAO...That last message was for you. ~giggle~ Pretty bad when you comment to yourself! ~giggle~

-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 5:57 PM

It's ok...if I didnt talk to myself, nobody would make sense. haha

-- Posted by allen6177 on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 6:19 PM

allen6177 - when I read your quote I knew it was from Bush.

Maybe that's why he's so big on NCLB - he feels left behind.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 6:20 PM

NCLB - has caused great teachers to leave education. There has been some good connected to NCLB, but those successes could have happened with a lot less interference from the National Government. There has been more harm than good from this program. There is frustration among those dealing directly with students - parents and teachers. There is less time for students to process and dig deeper into topics and too much focus on rote learning. And way to much time and effort on test scores. Practice for the test, then take a practice test and finally take the real test. Pressure to score well, pressure on limited resources and limited time. Teachers deal with a mixture of learning abilities and a set deadline that all take the test and should "know it". I'd like Congress or the President to show some accountability for what they have accomplished. They need to meet the standards we set for them - even though we've never been in their positions and have limited knowledge of what is required of them, before they demand it from the educational sector.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 6:46 PM

"The former officer" is a former officer for a reason GW...

-- Posted by insider63785 on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 9:13 PM

Actually, I left out the word "probably" in my last statement...

-- Posted by insider63785 on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 9:14 PM

Hope you're right, Swan...in fact, probably you are. That "...the people "in-charge" ARE reading these posts. Putting an opinion on here IS being active."

The internet is becoming quite a tool for letting those "in charge" discover what the American people are thinking. Maybe, at some point in time, all our blogs, chats, etc., will force them (whoever all "them" are) to start taking our opinions into consideration.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 10:51 PM

BakersBigBurger & Library

To paraphrase, you said that you felt that you were deceived about the libray tax and renovation issue. Are you surprised about that? Do you feel that this is the first time that you, I, or, the Cape Girardeau citizen has been deceived on an issue, esspecially, a taxing issue?

Some people in Cape consider it progress whenever they pick your pocket, especially, if it is for what they and their friends consider a "good" cause.

If you speak up, identify the perps, and pull some short hairs, you might effect change.

-- Posted by Brill on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 11:15 PM

It is not necessary to have kids to attend PTA meetings, or, to be concerned about eduation as an issue at any level of government. Especially, if you are a person who pays property taxes which support the local school system. Not that I take anyone's side on the issue. I just wanted to point out that requriing a person to be a parent before they could comment on education issues, or, become involved in them, is like saying that you had to be an illegal, to have a valid voice on the illegals issue. Just my opinion.

-- Posted by Brill on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 11:21 PM

Piling up Debt

I will agree with what your saying about George W. Buch may not be responsble for the Great Flood , the Crucifixion, Hurricane Katrina and the Ice Age , But he is responsible for taken care of his own country before other countries and helping us when we need it not sending all the tax's money that he has to other countries the way he has in the past six years and turn around an say that this county is doing so great when it not rally taken care of it own people , so I say you should pull your head out of the sand and look around at this county .

-- Posted by Thunder1814 on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 11:30 PM

Hey F.A.R. we'uns ain't careing if yous don't like the ways we right are ifs yous thinks we ain't been edubecated and dont no how to rites to good.

-- Posted by DickCheney on Sat, Jan 5, 2008, at 11:49 PM

Sorry I was out earlier and missed all the drama.

I could definitely make a nighttime suaree--weekdays or weekends as long as I know a day or two in advance. =)

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Sun, Jan 6, 2008, at 12:57 AM

Funny Bunny, "PS Mel and I are far from being married." AND just what does that statement mean? hehe To my knowledge, I've never even met Funny Bunny.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Jan 6, 2008, at 1:34 AM

I've always found Wikipedia to be pretty reliable. They list the sources of their articles at the bottom so you can double check the information and if the source is suspect they always point that out.

-- Posted by Data48 on Sun, Jan 6, 2008, at 8:08 AM

-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Jan 24, 2008, at 6:34 AM


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