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Monday, December 31, 2007

Parents of students

I DID not appreciate the article referring to college students' parents as "helicopter parents." That was a very degrading article. If I am going to put out the money for my two children in college, I will get in involved.

Costly taxi service

I Am trying to juggle my bills and worried about paying my personal-property tax. I feel mad, sad and disgusted all at the same time. I watch the city's bomb squad truck try to maneuver in the junior high school's parking lot and wonder how much of our tax money is used because our so-called heroes are picking their children up from school. What if there is an emergency and this truck or police car has children in it? Do the officers take their children home first? The rest of us have to pay for our own gas, and I'm getting tired of my tax money being used for a taxi service.

Air service decision

I'D LIKE to know the names of those Cape Girardeau officials who were responsible for recommending that Big Sky get the contract for our air service. I want to send a congratulations card to each of them for such outstanding judgment. They have pretty much ensured that few people will ever again consider using local air service. And I would like to know if Big Sky gets to keep the enormous federal subsidy to operate the local air service.

Good column

I WISH everybody would read Cal Thomas's column "The Right Gift" in the Dec. 23 Missourian. Well put, well said and so true. Thank you.

It takes a man

REGARDING DEADBEAT dads: Any guy can be a father, but it takes a man to be a daddy. Thanks to all the guys out there who are being daddies to their children.

One way for taxes

COULD SOME state or county official please answer a question? My overall taxes for Cape Girardeau County increased over 10 percent this year, even though the road and bridge tax was not there. Since we have the current mortgage crisis and property values are going down, will the 2007 reassessment hold fast, or will we get a reduction in our property taxes? Are our assessed values a one-way street where it only goes up?


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Gurumom

There is nothing wrong in being outspoken. Part of the reason that we are in the mess that we are in, is because too many of us were not outspoken. The father of a US Marine who burned the government van that brought the Marine representative to his home to tell him that his son had been killed in Iraq, was outspoken. Those parents who, on TV, practically cussed the President when their son was killed in Iraq, they were outspoken. You don't see parents commenting now, do you? When is the last time that you saw a parent who lost their son, or, daughter to the war profiteering, neocon corporate venture in Iraq, interviewed on televisioin? CNN? Nope, don't thihk so. I spoke with a policeman over Christmas. He said, well, if what you are saying is true, then CNN and this liberal press would be all over that story. Not so.

I used to be one those who believed that lie. People have been conditioned to think of the press as left wing, or, right wing. For the most part, it is neither. It belongs to the same cabal that so-called Democrats and so-called Republicans ( IN NAME ONLY groups) in Washington belong to. It is a conspiracy. The Council On Foreign Relations, which Ronald Reagan rightfully railed against exists, it is not fiction. Neither is the Military Industrial Conplex which Esienhowere warn us against, to be wary of it, to watch it. It exists. If you do not believe that the New World Order exists, even though that George HW Bush and Gary Hart have referred to it, then what do you believe? Do you believe that the New World Order will benefit you, or, most of the citizens of Missouri? Did NAFTA benefit the majority of Americans? Do you think that the New World Order is some benevolent plan for a more free, more prosperous America? Most of us can't get our minds around these concepts. Espeically, if someone tells us that there are bad people, with bad plans for Americans, and that they look just like us. We tend to believe in the good of mankind. We were raised on WE ARE GOOD, other folks are bad. We have a distorted impression of ourselves. How often did you hear "IT COULD NEVER HAPPEN HERE!"? We never qasked the question, "Why couldn't it happen here?" We just accepted that statement as a fact. Which it was not. Not all people are good.

Confusing patriotism with blind obidence, we accepted all of those lies as the truth. "It could never happen here"? It already has.

So, question. It is good for you. It is good for your family, it is good for your country.

-- Posted by Brill on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 12:46 AM

Fletcher: "Confusing patriotism with blind obedience..." You just put your finger on much of the problem here in America. God forbid we appear less than patriotic by questioning or disagreeing with our country's leaders. Sadly enough, I have alienated my own mother, & one of my brothers (and no doubt friends), by "questioning." What a price to pay for trying to open up their eyes & their minds. It's a little akin to what happened in Hitler's Germany, if one can think about it.

Guten Nacht, Herr Fletcher.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 12:59 AM

Ludwig von Mises's

I am somewhat familiar with von Mises. I have a high regard for Lew Rockwell and the contributors at http://www.lewrockwell.com

You certainly have a great libray, Hilleco. Don't be too concerned about your brother and your sister. You have done your part, by attempting to explain your position to them.

Unfortuantely, many, if not most Americans cannot envision a world without governments. The like the "security," that false sense of security that it gives them. Often arguements for "limited government" fall on deft, or, pained ears. Probably, some type of organiztional structure, in a very limited form, is needed as people tend to congregate closely together. However, over time, that government seeks more power for itself. That is the nature of government. It expands, it spreads like advance stage cancer, and with similar effect. That is why Americans were to be armed, and that the federal government was not to have a standing army. If the government became too authoritarian, the armed citizens of America, and the state militias, would be adequately armed to resist federal encroachment upon their liberties.

Republicans not only gave us the income tax, but around the turn of the 20th century, they eneacted legislation which federalized our state militias, the breastwork of our freedom. Gone were the state militas, prepared to discourage federal rampaging of our rights and state rights, enter the National Guard, just another tool in the federal arsnel to suppress and oppress Americans when the time comes.

The armed American is still the final recourse to unbridled tyranny. I often wonder if we have the courage to restore liberty, and our Constitutional rights, or, if we will keep our mouths shut and take it.

I had the ocassion to speak with an area police officer over Christmas. He said that the Constitution was old fashion, a piece of history, that it wasn't applicable to today.

I look foward to engaging him in futher debate, and informing him that he is on the wrong side of the equation.

-- Posted by Brill on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 1:10 AM

Hitler's Germany

Gurumom, didn't the question come up during your elementary, or, high school classes, "HOW COULD THE GERMAN PEOPLE FOLLOW HITLER?" That question came up often when I was in school. We just could not fathom how a thinking people, Christians, could be so swayed by such an evil man. What caused them to be so blind? We did not have the answer.

Yet, I see it being played out on the current world stage. We gather in our little groups. We stop thinking for ourselves and become Democrats, Republicans, Liberals, Conservatives, or, progressives. We rant on about how the "others" have destoyed America. Now it helps to have a group to take the fall for the ills of the nation. We have those groups mentioned, plus the illegals and Islam. We blame the illegals fro crossing our borders illegally, which is only right to do so, but we fail to blame those who enourage them to come, such as the corportions, the mines, the contractors, the polticians, the church, etc. Without jobs, they would not come. If they had a legit government, instead of a bunch of corrupt politicians who are just a shade worse than ours, they would not come. Mexico is NOT A POOR country. They are one of the major oil producers and exporters. They export natural gas and oil to the US. They have silver and gold mines. But, just as is about to happen here in America, almost all of their wealth has been concentrated within just a handfull of families in Mexico. They are not interested in lifting up their fellow Mexician, making Mexico a progressive nation. They want it all for themselves, just as our elite have been doing, especially on sterioids since NAFTA in 93-94. It is all about power and money, but mostly it is about the power. Especially, that is true in the US. Power is the drug of choice of our wealthy elite.

I do understand about your alienation, to some extent, of family members. It is not always popular to be right. As I mentioned, to Hilleco, you have done your job, you tired to inform them, you have done all that you can do. If they do not become awake, then, it is not because of your slience, but due to their blindness.

The most dangerous American alive is the one who says that " I have nothing to hide, they can search me, search my house, all "the" want." They forefit, not only their rights, but our rights, as well. Blindness, the turning of the eye to what you know is wrong, and blind obedience is not patritotism. It is just what it is, blindness.

-- Posted by Brill on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 1:29 AM

Please have a safe, healthy, HAPPY New Year!

-- Posted by coke zero on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 6:21 AM

Costly taxi service, Employees using employer vehicles generally receives a tax form to report personal use mileage as income.

One way for taxes, I was wondering the same thing! Plus, why is the valuation formula encrypted? Why not say, your property is worth $100,000 vs 12,110?

Air service decision, There are documents that are public record that would probably answer your question. However, under MO Sunshine laws the City might charge you for the time they use to gather them.

-- Posted by coke zero on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 6:32 AM

Mr. Fletcher (& guru, too):

You reminded me of "It Can't Happen Here" by Sinclair Lewis. Overlooked in his works but great nonetheless. While his book is from the late 30's and warns of authoritarian government, the paths there are remarkably similar to our own predicament today.

In his world, Americans have become so jingo-istic and uber-patriotic, we blindly vote in our own dictator. Asking questions or opposing the corrupted "American" way will only bring you trouble. Throw in some Homeland Security type policing, evangelicals taking over a segment of government and you have a mirror image to today's "War on Terror" society.

Pick it up if you haven't read it.

-- Posted by Friend-O on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 8:16 AM

melange: "One way for taxes, I was wondering the same thing! Plus, why is the valuation formula encrypted? Why not say, your property is worth $100,000 vs 12,110?"

The whole reason the valuations are the way they are is to avoid having valuations challenged year after year by large numbers of taxpayers. If your home valuation goes from $100,000 to $120,000 and you know that your neighbors houses have been selling for well under $120,000 then you will be upset by the valuation and might contest it making the assessor come out and spend more time & money on your case. By making is 12,110 and raising it to 14,532(same 20% increase) you might scratch your head, whine a tiny amount about the minor increase and then go on with life. To the average person home prices have real world values they can see by scanning the real estate section or listening to neighborhood gossip while tax valuations amounts are some arcana science they would rather not delve into.

-- Posted by Nil on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 10:05 AM

Mr Fletcher,

"How did people follow Hitler? (insert any and all dictators)

He convinced the people that all their problems were the fault of a small group of people that controlled all the money. He convinced them that this small group was out to distroy their "god given rights as a people". That they wanted to take control of the people by suppressing them. He perfected the message that anyone that didn't want to follow his 'cause' that they were 'unpatriotic' and a traitor to the people. You were either with him or against him. And as more more and more became to be with him, it was deadly to be against him.

His whole platform in getting power was in his ability to convince people he was for the common man. That he understood their pain and suffering. He was good at convincing them that the reason they had nothing was because the "agenday" of those in power was to make sure they had nothing.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 10:19 AM

Nil, Yeah, I knew what the motivation was. I would prefer a little more transparency. :-)~

Seems many reflect this time of year, as a tool for deliberation, I researched the famous 7 Vices and Virtues.

Vices (Deadly Sins): Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, Envy and Pride.

Virtues: Chastity, Temperance, Charity (Love), Diligence, Forgiveness, Kindness and Humility.

-- Posted by coke zero on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 10:20 AM

oops typo,,,, Agenday should just be Agenda .. my bad.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 10:22 AM

I think the article on helicopter parents was fairly accurate. It is one thing to be involved but to criticize the University because it will not release grades to a parent is inappropriate. If you are paying for your childs education get a copy of their grades from them...don't call the university.

-- Posted by SWBG on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 11:53 AM

Good answer, PUPSLOVER...along with what people say was Hitler's "charisma."

Did you deliberately make your statements to sound almost like what we hear in this country...? I'm very suspicious of you, PUPS! ~large fond smile~

Later tonight, Fletcher...I'll comment on what was said when I was in school about Hitler...You might be amazed! I always am, when I reflect upon it.

And thanks, Friend-O...I'll look for Lewis's book.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 1:21 PM

gurusmom,

Actually I find alot of what was said and done back then is happening here today. And I don't wish to argue with anyone, but President Bush's speach after 9/11 was very very simular to the speach Hitler gave after the bombing and burning of the Federal Building (I can't think of the name off hand sorry,).

And from all accounts from my Mother, Hitler was in fact a very charismatic speaker that could get the masses behind him. She said that he was able to convey passion and direction in every speech he gave. He was a very skilled politician by the time he became Chancler in 1933. And lets not forget he did take a country beaten down after WW1 and make it a super power again in a very short time. Not saying he wasn't nuts on the whole "master race" thing, but he did turn the economy of Germany around very quickly.

Didn't mean to post so long, but would love to discuss it with you Gurusmom the next time we meet.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 3:08 PM

Hilleco,

Thanks, I knew I would kick myself once someone told me the name. lol

Were you agreeing or disagreeing with me?? Sorry, but my brain is a bit fried with work at the moment.

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 5:09 PM

Friend-O, Thank you for the Sinclair Lewis book recommendation. I found "It Can't Happen Here" on eBay, and plan to bid on one by Wednesday.

Odd, isn't it, that some people back in the 1930's were aware of America's directed turn toward Fascism? There was a Democrat Congressman by the name of Samuel Pettengill. He was from Indiana, and was a very vocal critic of FDR. He wrote Smoke Screen, in which he tells of America's deliberate path toward Fascism. I buy them on eBay and give the good away as gifts. It's a 1930's book.

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll...

"There are none so blind as they who will not see." (atributed to Jonathan Swift 1667-1745...the Dean of St. Patrick's Church in Dublin)

-- Posted by Brill on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 5:37 PM

EVERYONE!!!

Have a safe and enjoyable evening. Don't drink and drive. Practice safe sex. Don't do illegal drugs in front of children (or don't do them at all). Enjoy the hangover next year.

Carpe Diem!

Even Jerry and his upbeatedness.

"..the war profiteering, neocon corporate venture in Iraq, interviewed on televisioin?"

Peace through superior firepower and I think the world needs to disarm. I really do. You first!

Happy New Year from an neocon.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 5:41 PM

Any "American Dad" fans here? There was a terrific episode last night on Fox-23. It covered everything from "sayhing Merry Christmas, instead of "Happy Holidays." Ameerican Dad pulled his government issued Glock on a young store clerk who had wished him "Happy Holidays."

There was "A Christmas Carol" segment, which touches on the shooting of Ronald Reagan, and there is a reference made to the Rapture, and to Chinese made toys. I replayed it over and over.

On the shooting of Ronald Reagan, there was an article today about the release of the woman who attempted to shoot President Gerald Ford. Sara Jane Moore, who shot at Gerald Ford, but missed, spent 32 years in a California prison. She had been given a life sentence. Remmeber, she missed. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071231/pl_n...

Compare her 32 year sentence, with that of John Hinckley, who shot President Reagan, just after a few months of Reagan's election, and he severely wounded Reagan's Press Secretary, James Baker.

John Hinckley nearly killed President Reagan and put James Baker in a wheel chair. As soon as he is arrested, he makes wild claims about his doing it as a means to get Jodi Foster's attention. He pleads insanity, and he is found NOT GUILTY by reason of insanity. Instead of spending 32 years in a real prison, the attempted killer of Ronald Reagan has it pretty cushy. This is from an article from April, 2000. His free style has only gotten worse since then.

"Now come disconcerting reports that officials at the facility are recommending that he be released for unsupervised daylong visits with his parents. The hospital's recent letter to the court that oversees his case notes that Mr. Hinckley has been living without incident in a minimum-security ward, has been walking unescorted around hospital grounds for years, and cooperates with every aspect of his treatment. It also says that for the past six months Mr. Hinckley has taken field trips to several restaurants and shopping malls under the watchful supervision of hospital staff. ''In our opinion,'' the letter concludes, ''Mr. Hinckley has sufficiently recovered from his mental illness to be granted a limited conditional release without danger to himself and others.''

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.ht...

Now, I find that rather odd. Who was John Hinckley? He was the son of a Texas Oil Man who happened to big plenty and was a player in George H.W. Bush's attempt to win the GOP nomination in 1980. John Hinckley's brother was to have dinner, in Colorado, with George H.W. Bush's son, Neil, the night of the assassiantion.

Roanald Reagan said that he hated George H.W. Bush, would not have him in his government and that he hated the Council on Foreign Relations, the CFR. Oddly, Reagan unenthusiastically, made Bush his VP running mate, and eventually, the so-called Reagan administration had as many, or, more CFR people in it than any other government up to that time.

Remember that policeman who I spoke with over Christmas? He is the one who said that the Constitution was non-rerlevant in today's world. Well, I asked him. If you had a man who attempted to kill the President, his brother was to have dinner with the brother of the Vice President, and his father was influential in the VP presidents campaign in competition with the President; would you accept the word of the attempted killer that he only was trying to gain the attention of a female movie star, or, would you look into it more deeply.

He replied, that he would look into it more deeply.

Sara Moore attempted to shoot a president, but missed. She gets 32 years. John Hinckley attemped to shoot another president, wounds him severely, and puts his brain damaged press secretary in a wheel chair. John gets free reign, mall visits, overnights with his family and a whole host of odd priveliges for a would be killer.

What's the difference? The Bush-Hinckley family connection.

-- Posted by Brill on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 6:07 PM

No personal offense, but I seriously doubt if you would know a neocon if he were to sit upon your lap.

Twilight Zone marathon on SCI-FI channel 18 in Cape.

A Todo el Mundo, Happy New Year and Pax Vobiscum!

-- Posted by Brill on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 6:11 PM

Jerry Fletcher

Proverb of Tibet - Rebellious thoughts are like an abandoned house overtaken by robbers.

-- Posted by ho ho ho on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 6:36 PM

If I were Tibetan, I am sure that I would know what that proverb means. Too "Confuscian" for me. Yes double entente wasintended. I have to work hard for them, but sometimes I come up with a good one.

-- Posted by Brill on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 7:34 PM

ah, but consider the flip side of rebellious thoughts:

There is a Turkish proverb to the effect that "the world belongs to the dissatisfied." I believe in this saying absolutely. For me, the one great underlying principle of all human progress is that 'divine discontent' makes men strive for better conditions and improved methods. -- Charles Proteus Steinmetz

-- Posted by fxpwt on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 8:45 PM

fxpwt, you, and jafriedman are far too intellectual for me to stay up with on philosophy. I am still trying to figure out, "A stitch in time saves nine." Nine, what? I ponder.

Then, who is to say what are rebellious thoughts? In the beginning, the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution werer rebellious thoughts. Years ago, I swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution. I do not undertake my oathes lightly. Therefore, it troubles me when a policeman tells me that he feels that the US Constitution is not relevant to today. For me, it is the basic building block of this nation, or what this nation was intended to become. I trust no government to dictate my freedom, or, perscribe the limitations of my freedom based upon their good will, intent, or, understanding of the Constitution.

Therefore, is it I who has rebellious thought, or, is it those, especially, those in high palces, think tanks, lobbyists, east coast school graduates, New World Order, neocons who relegate my freedoms to the junk heap, and seek to redefine what my freedoms are based upon their agenda and will to acheive same?

I am ceasing for the night to prepare for the coming of the new year.

All the best, even to those who disagree with me. Happiest of New Years, and Pax Vobiscum.

-- Posted by Brill on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 9:04 PM

In a Lighter Vein to end the Old Year: Aw, you guys...making me want to brush up on my Latin, German, Spanish...! Two years of Latin & German, but the lessons are filed away in the teen years' drawer of my brain...too many files to sort through. Self-taught Spanish, but only a few phrases that ever stayed with me to use without searching, i.e., Donde esta el bano--?cuanto cuesta? and Muchos gracias...VERY important when traveling the back roads of Mexico! Nevertheless, Peace go with you, too. May our New Year encourage us to do better, be more gracious, and to continue to learn.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 9:28 PM

Suggest that a stitch in time saves nine stitches later - essentially meaning that it is better to fix it now rather than to fix it later.

Philosophers are some deep people - most times need the ol' hip waders to dig through it all.

The challenge with freedoms is that they, by nature, give room to consider the 'what ifs' and the corresponding 'is this really where we want to go today'. As well as dealing with those rigidly locked in place who say, 'hell no, we won't go there!'.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 9:35 PM

Una cerveza grande, por favor!

-- Posted by fxpwt on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 9:37 PM

One large beer, if you please?

-- Posted by gurusmom on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 9:43 PM

gurusmom - your Spanish seems to be working just fine to me. You buying? :-)~

Best way to learn a language is to go there and to be immersed. Hard to learn and easy to forget if one doesn't use it everyday.

The challenge is, with English becoming the universal language in many areas, that everyone there wants to practice their English on the native speakers.

Travelled in Italy a bit on business - between their broken English and my broken Spanish (close enough to Italian, I suppose) - got along just fine, even in the smaller towns where English wasn't so prevalent.

Could be a millionaire in liras (Italian money) for just a bit over $700 at the then current exchange rates :-) But then again, a pizza and a beer was 13,000 of them lira things.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 9:58 PM

fxpwt: Sure, I'm buying--if you're financing the trip to Mexico for the Negro Modelo. Personally, I'd rather buy some Kahlua, which the last time I was down there was running between $5-$7.

Envy you the Italian trip! What a great thing, especially traveling into the non-tourist areas!

Had planned on retiring in Mexico, actually, so spent about 3 years studying the language, subscribing to Americans In Mexico newsletter (written/published by retired American couple there), researching everything from finances, travel, medical care, housing...plus traveling there several times, driving as far down as Tampico (not the booming town it was back in the 40's), then taking a different route back up. No one to speak Spanish with around here, so...it does make a difference, doesn't it?

Funny: while many Mexicans are hoping/trying to come to America hoping for a better lifestyle, there are many retired Americans who have found a better lifestyle down there.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 10:27 PM

Gurusmom,

But isn't it true that American can't own property or land in Mexico? I thought I had heard that once, but I could be wrong.

Happy New Year and HUGS :)

-- Posted by Pups on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 10:36 PM

You're probably off, PUPS, but yes, a few years ago they changed the property ownership laws in Mexico--can't buy oceanside property I believe. Before that, you just did a 99-year-lease on property.

Have a great night, and BIGGER HUGS.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Mon, Dec 31, 2007, at 10:57 PM

Happy New Year kids

Getting hammered :)

-- Posted by fajar154 on Tue, Jan 1, 2008, at 12:11 AM

hammered...

-- Posted by fajar154 on Tue, Jan 1, 2008, at 3:36 AM

Proverbs: Can't live with them, can't live without them. Opps, I think that one is about the opposite sex? or is technology? To me, proverbs lend to contemplation, which is a good thing.

New Year's resolutions:

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. (Chinese)

The bone doesn't come to the dog, but the dog goes to the bone. (German)(Meaning: You must pursue your dreams, they won't come to you.)

Man makes plans, and God laughs. (Yiddish)

Posters:

For those who change user names: A leopard cannot change its spots. (Chinese)

A closed mind is like a closed book; just a block of wood. (Chinese)

f you scatter thorns, don't go barefoot. (Italian)

Having a good discussion is like having riches. (Africian)

Issues:

Hand-up: A hungry bear won't dance. (Turkish) (Meaning: One needs food to do some work.)

National Debt: He who drinks on credit, gets twice as drunk. (Greek)

Politics: They put the wolf to guard the sheep. (Greek) (Means: They asked someone corrupt to have a task of civil importance.)

fxpwt, This one made me think of you: Cheapness 'eats' the (value of) money. (Chinese) (Means: When items or articles are cheap people tend to consume more.)

General:

The saddest thing is the death of the heart. (Chinese)

Just plain funny: A Monkey never thinks her baby is ugly.(Hatian)

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Jan 1, 2008, at 4:53 AM

No paper today.

:-(

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Jan 1, 2008, at 5:01 AM

Melange: Happy New Year, WE just got in. Went to Washington again. Storm after storm etc....Anyone who believes in Global Warming needs to go across Wyoming, Utah and Idaho.

Having fun yet??

Who is this Jerry Fletcher? Opinions are like a**holes, he has many.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jan 1, 2008, at 5:01 AM

Aggiefan, Happy New Year to you and yours! Glad you are home safe.

Jerry Fletcher is a new poster.

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Jan 1, 2008, at 5:24 AM

Haven't been home enough the last few weeks to post but I am really sad about Benito dying. There is so much turmoil in the middle east, she was one of the few positive figures. What a shame.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jan 1, 2008, at 5:27 AM

Aggiefan,

We were missing your post! Speaking of missing folks, haven't seen "Greywolf" in a while...hope the Mrs. is okay. And "Cannedheat" has disappeared too, you okay dude? Still concerned that "Lumpy" was the same Scott (Lumpy) a benefit was held for because of an accident a few weeks back. "Babe" has disappeared too, hope she is doing okay. If you are reading, we miss your post "oldvet". (And anyone else just reading, join the fun...more the merrier!)

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Jan 1, 2008, at 5:35 AM

fxpwt, I agree with your Turkish proverb.

"If necessity is the mother of invention, discontent is the father of progress." David Rockerfeller

"Who is not satisfied with himself will grow; who is not sure of his own correctness will learn many things." Chinese Proverb

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Jan 1, 2008, at 5:55 AM

fajar154,

LOL Theories regarding hangovers: A lack of sleep due to intoxication; A lack of water due to the alcohol "drying you out"; An excess of acetaldehyde, a by product of alcohol metabolism; An excess of cogeners, a by product of the fermentation process. And possibly, increased blood pressure due to the vaso-dialation effects of alcohol.

Hangover tips: http://www.ayurvediccure.com/homeremedy/...

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Jan 1, 2008, at 6:07 AM

I meant Bhutto, gee whiz I'm tired

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jan 1, 2008, at 6:46 AM

I'm wishing some of that "winter weather" I keep hearing about on the news would find its way to me. I actually ENJOY driving in it...sometimes it just gets a little boring when the roads are all clean and dry....

-- Posted by dixietrucker on Tue, Jan 1, 2008, at 12:44 PM

dixie we've been driving in it for the last month. I've had enough for awhile.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Tue, Jan 1, 2008, at 12:49 PM

Hilleco, Thought you might find this article about the lending industry and lobbying intereting.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB11990660...

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Jan 1, 2008, at 12:58 PM

Welcome home, Aggie! Thought the same thing--Global Warming? But not commenting myself, because some nut will be sure to figure out a "reasonable" explanation for why Warming is causing all the nasty storms this year.

So glad you & Mrs. Aggie made it through, hoping you have a few days/week break from it now.

My favorite, melange: A closed mind is like a closed book; just a block of wood.

Yes, and missing some of our old "buddies" on here, hoping they're okay, just busy with living. Happy New Year all--OH, and fajar, hope the "hammer" hasn't hit you too hard. ;)

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Jan 1, 2008, at 2:13 PM

Good lobbying article, melange. No real surprises there, though.

The history of lobbying? When did it start? Why? Oh! So that "people" would have a better say in how their elected officials voted. Is this correct?

And then...like everything else connected to government, it grew into something monstrous.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Jan 1, 2008, at 2:25 PM

It is a shame about lobbying isn't it. There are grass roots organizations that utilize lobbying as a legitimate way to get there cause to public officials. However it is more commonly associated with big business as a way to control their interests.

-- Posted by SWBG on Tue, Jan 1, 2008, at 4:09 PM

Joann Emerson was a lobbyist for the insurance industry. Her only qualification for office is that she was the wife of a Congressman, who had left his previous wife on her hospital bed for her. (if memory serves me right) Her qualification certainly wasn't residency, or, is it now, for that matter. She has a fine lake home in the western part of the state, ouside the district. She has her home in St. Louis with her new husband, Democrat congributor and labor attorney, Mr. Galdney, and she has her mansion in Washington. Her children were educated in Washington, when Bill Emeerson, seemingly a nice guy, but, a carpetbagger, like Hillary, none the less, was our Congressman.

Yes, gurusmom, one of Joann's very first votes upon being first elected was to give $450 million in "planned parenthood stype, family planning" money to Bill Clinton for foreign nations. Whether you are pro-abortion, or, pro-life, the part that gets me is the reaching into our pockets and throwhing money at foreign nations. These congressmen tell us that there is nowhere to cut the budget, to save our tax money, howwever, it appears that they don't try very hard to find the moneies to cut.

The incredible thing about Emerson's vote for the foreign family planning money, is that her office was telling everyone that it was a victory for the Republican led congress. Bill Clinton had requested $650 million, yet, the Republicans had only given him $450 million. I don't call that a win, I call it capitulation. The same thing can be said about the current Democrat led congress when they keep giving Bush everything that he wants. Billions to kill innocent people in Iraq, and to surveil Americans with illegal wiretaps.

We live in very dangerous times.

-- Posted by Brill on Tue, Jan 1, 2008, at 5:34 PM

Yes, it was very sad when Benito was killed. I am surprised that many here would take note of his murder.

"Date: January 15th, 2007

We have just learned that Benito Jacinto Cruz, a farmer opposing La Parota Dam in Guerrero, Mexico was shot and killed on Saturday, January 6th. He died from two bullets to the head.

While the specific killers are as yet unknown, this murder is clearly part of the pattern of repression and violence that has been systematically directed against the campesinos defending their land, water and way of life against this death project."

http://rootforce.org/dada/mail.cgi/archi...

While others may have thought that you still mourned the passing of that great fascist leader, Benito Mussilini, I knew to which Benitio you were referring.

Yes, let us throw open the borders with Mexico, Mr. President. Let us join with them in your plan for a North American Union. These here are some fine folks.

-- Posted by Brill on Tue, Jan 1, 2008, at 5:43 PM

Thanks Melange, and everyone else... melange I will try to get on your my space later this evening... right now I am having trouble getting any myspace to load.. I read every ones comments for yesterday and today and I would like to say a few things . First of all any one wants to knoow who I am they can ask but I doubt If pancakes or flap jacks or anything like that is truly your last name , secondly blinker .. you seem really teed off . I dont know who stole your twinky , but let it go , lifes to short to go around being that upset... my best advice is if you cant appreciate someones right to the first amendment then you shouldn;t read the uncensored parts of this paper that make it so great.. It's a reminder we live in the land of the free and the home of the brave..people caring about people and offering genuine advice.. Having said that I respect your freedom of speech and retract my twinky remark ... Have a BLESSED HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERY ONE!!!

-- Posted by hotrod_girl_is_here on Tue, Jan 1, 2008, at 5:50 PM

Thanks Melange, and everyone else... melange I will try to get on your my space later this evening... right now I am having trouble getting any myspace to load.. I read every ones comments for yesterday and today and I would like to say a few things . First of all any one wants to knoow who I am they can ask but I doubt If pancakes or flap jacks or anything like that is truly your last name , secondly blinker .. you seem really teed off . I dont know who stole your twinky , but let it go , lifes to short to go around being that upset... my best advice is if you cant appreciate someones right to the first amendment then you shouldn;t read the uncensored parts of this paper that make it so great.. It's a reminder we live in the land of the free and the home of the brave..people caring about people and offering genuine advice.. Having said that I respect your freedom of speech and retract my twinky remark ... Have a BLESSED HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERY ONE!!!

-- Posted by hotrod_girl_is_here on Tue, Jan 1, 2008, at 5:51 PM

Thanks Melange, and everyone else... melange I will try to get on your my space later this evening... right now I am having trouble getting any myspace to load.. I read every ones comments for yesterday and today and I would like to say a few things . First of all any one wants to knoow who I am they can ask but I doubt If pancakes or flap jacks or anything like that is truly your last name , secondly blinker .. you seem really teed off . I dont know who stole your twinky , but let it go , lifes to short to go around being that upset... my best advice is if you cant appreciate someones right to the first amendment then you shouldn;t read the uncensored parts of this paper that make it so great.. It's a reminder we live in the land of the free and the home of the brave..people caring about people and offering genuine advice.. Having said that I respect your freedom of speech and retract my twinky remark ... Have a BLESSED HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERY ONE!!!

-- Posted by hotrod_girl_is_here on Tue, Jan 1, 2008, at 5:51 PM

Bhutto was no saint. She was involved in two corrput adminstrations in Pakistan. Her husband is corrupt, yet, he and his son will now take over that party and one of them will probably be the parties candidate in the planned elections in Pakistan.

We need to be wary of aligning ourselves with any foreign nations. Whether it's China, Mexico, Pakistan, Saudi Arbia, or, Israel. George Washington and other great American leaders have warned us about becoming entangled in the affairs of foreign nations.

We have little control over their affairs, and we shouldn't either. Because when we do become involved, especially with covert operations of the CIA, and other murky groups, we often really screw it up for their people, and eventually, ours. We need to learn to mind our own business, and attempt to get along with people, but not manipulate their government, or, polices. Not isolation, but non-intervention, is what I prefer.

-- Posted by Brill on Tue, Jan 1, 2008, at 5:57 PM

Bhutto was no saint. She was involved in two corrput adminstrations in Pakistan. Her husband is corrupt, yet, he and his son will now take over that party and one of them will probably be the parties candidate in the planned elections in Pakistan.

We need to be wary of aligning ourselves with any foreign nations. Whether it's China, Mexico, Pakistan, Saudi Arbia, or, Israel. George Washington and other great American leaders have warned us about becoming entangled in the affairs of foreign nations.

We have little control over their affairs, and we shouldn't either. Because when we do become involved, especially with covert operations of the CIA, and other murky groups, we often really screw it up for their people, and eventually, ours. We need to learn to mind our own business, and attempt to get along with people, but not manipulate their government, or, polices. Not isolation, but non-intervention, is what I prefer.

-- Posted by Brill on Tue, Jan 1, 2008, at 5:57 PM

Good Lord, I think global warming is caused by all the hot air blown around in Southeast Missouri! haha

-- Posted by allen6177 on Tue, Jan 1, 2008, at 6:53 PM

Wow, just reading about the campaign funds to date:

Clinton--$90,935,788

Obama--$80,256, 426

Romney--$62,829,068

Am I understanding this right? That our presidential hopefuls are getting and spending this kind of money just to get elected president? And this before even the primaries?

Something wrong with all this, in my very humble opinion. And from what I've read, none of the candidates are really, honestly interested in America or its citizens--they're interested in their own power. Read all their "stands" on all the issues, & it's like re-reading the same old novel over & over--especially if one goes back & looks at the rhetoric we hear in every single presidential campaign. Same old stuff, different faces.

I think my next goal will be a very pitiful attempt to get the American people to demand that campaigning for primaries be limited to 6 months, that "polls" be outlawed, and that term limits be instituted. Might be a nice gesture, too, to limit what each candidate can receive and spend on their campaigns.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Jan 1, 2008, at 10:17 PM

to "It takes a daddy" You have that all wrong peoples....anyone can be a daddy, there are plenty of baby's daddys out there....it takes a real man to be a "father". that is the real meaning. everyone cannot be a father who cherish his chance to be one and takes care of his responsibility, so i hope you have a real father to help you take care of your child and you were raised by a real father. i know i was raised by one and i became a real father, not just a baby's daddy. so your daddy's statement needs to change.

-- Posted by kadillac on Thu, Jan 3, 2008, at 2:29 PM


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