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Speak Out 12/28/07

Friday, December 28, 2007

Trash on Cape Rock

HAS ANYBODY seen all the trash in the right of way from Lexington Avenue on Cape Rock Drive down to Snake Hill? It is an eyesore. Could the city please get someone out there to pick up all this trash?

More reflectors

I NOTICED in the paper how critical the intersection of Kingshighway and Broadway is. The reflectors in the street leading up to the Broadway turn are wonderful, but they don't go far enough. When it's raining it is impossible to see the white lines. If there were reflectors in the turn lanes, it would eliminate some accidents.

Tailgating motorists

THE STORY in the paper regarding accidents at Kingshighway and Broadway said 25 accidents were caused by following too closely. That's not big news. That's all a lot of motorists do around here. They tailgate like crazy. I was taught to leave a safe distance between cars. Good drivers shouldn't have to put up with this.

No more Cincinnati

BIG SKY is leaving our airport. Maybe now Cincinnati will be out of our lives.

Rear-end collisions

I WASN'T surprised that the Broadway-Kingshighway intersection had a high rate of accidents. If drivers coming off Broadway and yielding in the turn lane heading toward Jackson, could see Kingshighway drivers better, fewer rear-end collisions would occur. To solve this the city needs to move the wide white stop line of the northernmost lane on Broadway. That could be even with the existing one in the lane next to it.

Postal explanation

THIS IS to the person who wonders why their mail is delivered late. Maybe your postal carrier was sick and another carrier had to deliver that route. If the substitute carrier is not familiar with the new route, it will take him longer. Believe it or not, there are circumstances beyond the control of the postal service.

Enough of candidates

ISN'T IT funny how in the primaries the candidates rip each other to shreds? But once it is over and there is only one candidate, you'd think they agreed on everything. I'll be glad when this election is over. I think I have seen the true colors of all the candidates. It makes me want to get a bumper sticker telling them I have had enough.

Still in control

I THOUGHT Congress was really going to change during this last session, but come to find out, it's still controlled by ideological earmarxists.

Ending the Cold War

AS SELF-APPOINTED Speak Out revisionist historian, the next time someone tells you Ronald Reagan was responsible for ending the Cold War, remind them that though he played a role, primary credit belongs to congressman Charles Wilson, Democrat from Texas. If you don't believe me, do the extensive research I have and you'll change your mind. My extensive research consisted of seeing the movie "Charlie Wilson's War."

Coordinated effort

IN A quasi-defense of David Limbaugh (the target of a recent lengthy Speak out diatribe), he seems to have abandoned all pretense at being primarily a sociocultural conservative. Indeed, it seems to me that he has joined a coordinated effort to launch a pro-business, full-frontal assault on GOP upstart Mike Huckabee (someone Rush Limbaugh said he'd never heard of until recently) so as to preserve the Big Government-Big Business nexus that characterizes contemporary America and protects it from what Limbaugh may see as a loose cannon hick like Huckabee.

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Re Enough of candidates: Good idea. Someone might make a fortune selling bumper stickers saying "Had Enough? Vote them ALL out of office!"

-- Posted by gurusmom on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 4:06 AM

No reason to listen to the candidates as they campaign. They simply tell us what they think we want to hear in order to get our vote. The only way to know what a candidate stands for is to research his/her congressional voting record (or state legislative voting record) to see what they really stand for. Actions speak louder than words.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 6:33 AM

Ideological earmarxists? ROTFLMAO! That's the best description of politicians (from both parties, not just one) that I've heard in a long time!

-- Posted by Data48 on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 6:52 AM

RE: More reflectors

I drove east on Broadway last Saturday night in the rain and I couldn't see the stripes. In addition to reflectors, the city could stripe the lanes with epoxy; while epoxy is more expensive, it is far superior to the regular paint that is used to stripe.

RE: Tailgating motorists

I enjoy tailgaters because I slow down even more and watch them squirm. Yesterday, I had this guy tailgating me in a residential area so I halved the speed limit; I hope he was late.

RE: Rear-end collisions

That's a good idea. Unfortunately, that intersection is controlled by MoDOT and trying to get them to do anything easy and beneficial is almost always not worth the effort.

-- Posted by ynot on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 7:03 AM

Funny Alien Bunny: RE: What do I consider a Living Wage?

Funny Alien Bunny,

Look, How about this...and then you can break it down and add it up yourself. Because I think what you are looking for here is something that you can "ridicule." I mean, it's pretty obvious this is a loaded question.

So I will state for the record once again:

A Living Wage should enable a person to purchase a modest house and a modest car.

"Health Insurance" for his entire family (Becareful here, you said you didn't want to pay for UHC through taxes, so you better find out how much FULL COVERAGE health insurance is for a family of four)

A living wage should enable a person to eat when they need to eat,(but let's just say for a family of four to be safe)

And enough money to pay their amenities like electric, water, telephone, and some extra for "family fun"

So I guess Mr. Funny Alien Bunny, if you want a "monitary figure" put on a living wage; then maybe you can tell me, how much money does it take you and your family to survive?

I'm not talking luxuries, I'm talking "YOUR" basic needs. Then that might give you a clue. I really think YOUR answer is going to be the interesting one here. Not mine.

-- Posted by Mr_Fruity_Flapjacks on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 8:09 AM


"I slow down even more and watch them squirm." I do that too. Plus, when traveling at a higher rate of speed...I get even by making the tailgater's heart jump a beat by tapping on the brakes lightly. (Just enough to get their attention off their cell phone conversation.) hehe

Disclaimer: errrr...Perhaps, one should not do these, with the raising "road rage" issues and concealed weapons. LOL

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 8:33 AM

Not wanting to start trouble, but maybe other folks are "halving the speed limit." and "tapping their brake" (Both of which I think are also illegal) and by doing so causing the accidents?

I mean, the posted speed limits do work both ways.

Another problem is this heavy influx of traffic. (I know you all are tired of hearing this) but 20 years ago we didn't have this problem. By not having this problem, city planning didn't have good enough foresight to correct the future problems.

Let's be honest, Cape Girardeau is poorly laid out for all of this traffic, it just wasn't originally built for this influx.

In my opinion, it's only going to get worse. As it is; Kingshighway needs to be 6 lanes, we need more sidewalks on the in the North and West ends of town, and we need biking lanes on Broadway and many other streets. (I realize those folks have a right to be out), but there's no room to give them a full lane of traffic

Just think...if we had all of this "construction" going on, how awful it would be to get around? My head hurts just thinking about it.

-- Posted by Mr_Nutty_Pancakes on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 8:48 AM

Nutty, "Both of which I think are also illegal" Citation please.

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 8:56 AM

It has been awhile since I took the written driving test, but if I recall correctly:

Speed limits are MAXIMUMS, unless a minimum is posted.

Drivers are to leave a full car length for EACH 10 mph between the cars (50 mph, 5 car lengths)

A driver is to remain in control of their vehical at all times. Simply do not recall anything about tapping ones brakes, it would be most difficult to prove brakes were not applied as a safety measure or removing one's car from cruise control.

I will check back for Nutty's citation(s) later in the day.

OH, once again may NOT be the wisest choices to make, because you never really know who the wackos are out there. (And I am NOT targeting anyone here with that comment... unless of course, you run people down in your car and beat the crap out of them or shoot them. Then you are welcome to take my comment personally.)

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 9:09 AM

I'm not Mr. Nuts

and I am a notorious tailgater hater---

but you (and I) can probably be cited under http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C300-399...

I figure they'd try it because I copied a section from the MO driver handbook:


It is not always easy to maintain a safe distance behind your vehicle.

However, you can help keep the driver at a safe distance by keeping a

steady speed, and signaling in advance when you slow down. Follow these

safety tips:

* Try to find a safe place out of traffic to stop and pick up or let off


* If you want to parallel park and there is traffic coming behind you, put on

your turn signal, pull next to the space, and allow vehicles to pass before

you park.

* When you have to drive so slowly that you slow down other vehicles, pull

to the side of the road when it is safe to do so, and let them pass. There

are turnout areas on some two-lane roads you could use. Other twolane

roads sometimes have passing lanes.

* If you are followed too closely or "tailgated" by another driver, and there

is a right lane, move over to the right. If there is no right lane, wait until

the road ahead is clear and then reduce speed slowly. This will

encourage the tailgater to drive around you. Never slow down quickly to

discourage a tailgater. This will only increase your risk of being hit from


-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 9:11 AM

Thanks Swan, I knew there was a paragraph about "Slow Poke" driving. LOL...Their worse than the tailgaters!

-- Posted by Mr_Nutty_Pancakes on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 9:33 AM

Holy cow! You and I found the same reference material....

Some days I don't think we're even reading material from the same hemisphere. ;)

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 9:33 AM

Wow! It actually says, "If there is no posted minimum speed limit, it is still against the law for you to drive so slowly that you block traffic. If you have to drive more slowly and vehicles line up behind you, you should pull over and let them pass. Many accidents are caused by slow drivers who block other traffic. Remember, slower is not always safer."

I better start speeding up!

-- Posted by Mr_Fruity_Flapjacks on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 9:35 AM


Personally, don't think tapping on ones brakes so that the lights flash would be reducing speed drastically. Nor do I think what Prudent driver described qualifies for your arguement either.

With that said, I have learned that my actions (when really ticked off by a tailgater) are considered a form of road rage too. That I did not know.

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 9:36 AM

"drive so slowly that you block traffic"

Don't think going the posted speed limit counts.

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 9:37 AM

LOL..I might be tempted to citizen's arrest slow pokers and tailgaters.

The whole dang city would be in jail. Except like...2 drivers who only go out on Tuesday afternoon. LOL

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 9:43 AM

Mr. Flapjacks

Can't disagree about everyone should be able to make a living wage. One of the problems is that there are many who earn a living wage until the gov't gets ahold of their money. Add up fed, state, fica, medicare, sales taxes, fuel taxes, utility taxes, property taxes, exise taxes, taxes on interest, motel/restuarant taxes, any local taxes, licensing fees (a tax), taxes on any number of politically incorrect products (sin taxes), not to mention indirect taxes such as business's up prices to make up for their taxes, etc. etc. (And there are those that say we don't pay enough in taxes). It comes to a "pretty penny". A pretty penny that would go a long way towards providing the necessities of life. I want to retch every week that I look at my pay stub and add up YTD taxes withheld. If I had just half of that back, could have paid cash up front for my daughters braces. Instead the gov't felt the need to confiscate some of my hard earned check before I even received it so that it could be redistributed to a single mom on crack to pay for her kid's dental work. (So called "free" healthcare) I don't mind helping out the needy, but shouldn't I be able to take care of my kid's dental work first, and then help others with what I have left? And just for clarification, my wife and I make a comfortable living even after taxes, so we don't have it as bad as many. Didn't want to give the impression that I'm a rich folk too greedy to care about the need's of others less fortunate.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 9:45 AM

Swan, What is your problem? A healthy debate is fun...why do you take it to a different level? So big deal, you disagree, move on.

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 9:50 AM


I was just trying to answer Funny Alien Bunny's question. He's trying to pin me down on a monetary figure. Hopefully you agree, a person isn't making a modest living on minimum wage. (Which I'm sure will be his arguement)

But just think, if we had UHC, we would have to worry about your children or anyone elses children getting healthcare.

Since Funny Alien Bunny thinks that ALL JOBS already have good benefits and healthcare, and the government says the jobless rate is only 3 or 5% (whatever they are saying) Then we really wouldn't be supporting that many people at all...right? It would only be a small fraction...right?

Anyhow, my debate isn't with you. I was initially answering Funny Alien Bunny's question on what I thought a living wage was. Do you have any thoughts on what that may be?

-- Posted by Mr_Fruity_Flapjacks on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 9:53 AM

Funny Alien Rabbit, I like what I have read on the Fair Tax too. But honestly, a little fuzzy about how it addresses business taxation. Am I understanding that businesses would not pay any taxes what so ever? Not sure I agree with that. (Kind of liked Buffet's ideas on taxing the top 500 companies in the US, (and no one else), but see how that would be circumvented.)

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 9:55 AM

Funny Alien Bunny...Oh here we go with the "Socialist" labeling again.

-- Posted by Mr_Fruity_Flapjacks on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 10:02 AM

swan, I owe you an apology for my last comment. You have the right to continue your debate...

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 10:03 AM

My goodness! It's a monumental day.

Mr. Comical Bunny--you have pointed out something I can provide personal knowledge on.

I'm a woman in a married relationship---and as soon as I have this baby if I choose to have someone else watch it so that I might work....Over half my income will go to childcare. Close to 75% actually.

And I know--there will be those who say..well you wanted to have a baby.

Guess none of us could procreate and the species would die off. *makes a face*

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 10:06 AM

Alien Bunny...aka Dru...Since you are obviously a business owner, YOU tell me what you think is a "Living Wage" Obviously you have all the answers. Come on Big Shot! Tell me what you think! Then...I will give you a number.

I know this is a trick question, that you have some "SUPER ULTIMATE ANSWER." So out with it!

-- Posted by Mr_Fruity_Flapjacks on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 10:07 AM

Bethie, Have you checked to see if you will qualify for the Childcare tax credit? And don't forget you will get another dependent on your income taxes too. (Not intending to be negative, just helpful...I think one should take the NET income into consideration when making decisions.)

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 10:13 AM

I like the comment that Cincinatti is out of our lives. I felt so violated by the airline going to Cincinatti I could hardly sleep at night.

I will put a $dollar$ value on a living wage in this area. I will take into account some givens:

These are at current dollar values and health insurance provided by employers. No credit card payments, no student loan payments, kids (2) in public school so daycare is at a minimum. That leaves utilities, house payment, two car payments, satelite for the big screen, groceries, Mary Kay, Avon, Cel bill, kids allowances, Beer and cigarettes...................................................................................................................................$58,387.13 combined gross income family of four.

-- Posted by SWBG on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 10:18 AM

Short White Bald Guy, I'm glad you put a number on it. I'll tell you what...for the record and to satisfy Funny Alien Bunny, I'll agree with your number. I can go with $58,387.13!

-- Posted by Mr_Fruity_Flapjacks on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 10:27 AM

I'm still looking at childcare tax credit. We also have a dependent care flex spending account option.

I have my own issues with leaving my kids with strangers--so we're still discussing all our options.

I am glad you pointed it out though, Melange. Not everyone looks at it from the net point of view.


I hear what you are saying. I just think I would end up giving out more money to the "free" system because the tax rate skyrockets. I also worry that I will lose choice in health care and child care. I don't want the government listening to every crackpot psychologist and thinking they need to bring it to my living room.

But I do see what you are saying--and if everything was nice and fluffy in life--it would work.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 10:37 AM


Certainly min wage is not a living wage, but my answer to that would be get educated, show up everyday and work hard at that min wage job so as to build a resume/work history that makes you attractive to better paying companies or impress the boss enough to rise through the ranks of that company. (And I will say that not everyone is capable or motivated enough to do that). But I do know that it worked for me. My first job out of college was min.wage and with my education in one hand and hard work in the other, I'm earning a comfortable living today.

As far as dollar amount for living wage. Guess it would depend on area of country you are living and how large your family is, but in this area with 4 member family I'm guessing in neighborhood of $35-40,000. Haven't taken the time to put pencil to paper so could be way off.

Alien, from what I know of the fair tax, I like it. Still will need to study up on it more in depth. At this point I would even be happy with Steve Forbes' Flat Tax.

Oh, and Flapjacks, again I agree that everyone should have the opportunity to earn a living wage and respect your views on it, but let's just say $40 grand is the number. Do you really think that the restuarants, mom & pop businesses, etc. could afford to stay in business paying cooks, busboys, sales clerks and stockboys $40,000 per yr plus benefits? Maybe it's possible, but the consumer would get soaked at the cash register, making 40 G's look like min. wage. Wish I had all the answers. Then I would be a rich man.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 10:38 AM


Thank you for providing the WIC guidelines.

I actually do qualify..and I have talked to them...

but I have been unable to get an appointment at hours that don't conflict with my job.

I checked after someone suggested it to me...I didn't realize that we would be anywhere close to qualifying with two working adults. But we were well within the guidelines.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 10:40 AM


thanks for pointing out the WIC guidelines.

I actually looked into this earlier--and although we both work full time..we do qualify. I was going to participate but have been unable to go to a meeting during their hours due to work.

So--I'm not ruling it out in the future. It just hasn't worked out yet.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 10:43 AM

sorry for double post. I got some sort of error and thought it hadn't posted.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 10:44 AM

Good grief, legal or illegal, some things just simply should not be done. If you wind up in a hospital, it will be small consolation whose "fault" it was. Move over and let them by if you can do so safely. A trip to the hospital or time spent at an accident scene is going to mess up everyone's schedule including yours.

-- Posted by D'oh on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 11:01 AM

Re: Rear end collisions:

There is a REASON the white stop line in the left turn lane is set back farther than the other lanes. When a truck needs to make that turn, the trailer tires do not follow in the same track as the truck tires....this is called "off-tracking". The longer the trailer, the wider turn the truck must make so that the trailer will not run anything over. When the width of the turn is limited by the curb, the trailer needs to have room to off-track. The left turn lane is set back to allow for this room. If the stop line were to be placed even with the other lanes, every time a truck had to make that turn to get to a business on that street to make a delivery, the intersection would be blocked until the thick-headed people in their cars realized that they have to back up to where the line SHOULD be (and is currently) located.

-- Posted by dixietrucker on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 11:11 AM

Good point Swan,

As a businessman I can say, I would rather pay a 25% flat tax or even a 40% flat tax anyday, rather than pay for healthcare of my pocket (which I don't mind) But...in a business since, what I pay for in heathcare is increase from anywhere between 300%-500% and it doesn't appear to be slowing down.

If I didn't have to pay for heathcare for my employees, I could hire more, AND pay them even better wages and increase their retirement package.

As a businessman, I am ALL for UHC. In the long run, it would save me TONS of money. I wished some of the other company owners would get on board. I mean after all, which is worse a 30% flat tax or constantly doubling and tripling what you pay in employee health care?

-- Posted by Mr_Fruity_Flapjacks on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 11:26 AM


I don't need to go to Mexico for a financial planning course.

I've lived much broker than now.

I've yet to complain.

Or state that I was starving.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 11:35 AM


I too wouldn't mind a flat tax. But 40%?, 40 cents of every dollar I earn go to an inept and wasteful gov't? No way in hell.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 11:39 AM

Don't know that 40% is too far off the mark by the time all the income, property, and sales taxes are considered.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 11:51 AM

Regarding all the heartburn about annoying local drivers, it's too bad we don't adapt some of the driving rules used in some European countries, like Germany; it's been awhile, so maybe they don't do it anymore.

One major rule-of-thumb was: On the Autobahn or Schnellstrasses,if you can't compete in the fast (left-most) lanes, then get the hell out of the way! If you get rear-ended, the Polizei (German State Police)arrest you, no matter how badly you are hurt. It happened to some friends of mine who were going over 100 mph and got wacked from behind; they nearly died, but found themselves under arrest anyway.

Another cool trick was there "zipper method" for merging on the A-bahn...neat to see from the air. When going from, say, 5 lanes to 2 or 3, they'd alternate merging, and was like clockwork; however, if someone screwed up or black ice was present, 100 to 200 car pileups were not uncommon!

Something else neat about the A-bahns were their rest stops, somewhat like ours. But they had bars at 'em! The caveat to that was that if the Polizei stopped you, they didn't ask if they could do a blood test on you, they'd simply take the blood and/or beat you sensless if you resisted. But that could be a good thing too. My cousine, who was a green beret on leave in Germany, got arrested on a traffic violation, but met his future wife in a German jail!!

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 11:52 AM

Ok...here's your answer: $58,387.13 per person is a good living wage. There ya go! Have at it!

-- Posted by Mr_Fruity_Flapjacks on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 12:25 PM


$29,193.56. Of course people live on considerably less than that. That can be a living wage in this area. If you want what the federal government states as a living wage in this area it would be $637/mo for SSI.

SSI is Suplemental Security Income. It is provided to those individuals considered too diabled to work and have not paid into the social security benefits, for example individuals with mental retardation too severe to be employed, individuals with health care issues or any other disability.

637/mo is $7644/year. Should an individual on SSI try to work then the government decreases their SSI check by 1/2 of what they earn such as if and individual makes $100 in a month at a part time job their SSI check would decrease by $50. That is a living wage.

-- Posted by SWBG on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 12:42 PM

SSI rates are on crack.

Just my humble opinion.

Nobody is really "living" on less than $700 a month.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 12:45 PM


Most of these individuals also receive other benefits from subsidized housing to food stamps. Most will frequent food pantries and other charitable organizations designed to help the needy. It is not easy to make it on such a low income.

-- Posted by SWBG on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 1:47 PM

Actually, the incident I was describing happened in a large metro area where drivers ought to know better. I am sorry that my description of actual events harmed some of you, but hopefully you take away the knowledge that there is always the possibility that the other driver can make your experience on the road even worse. A simple resolution is, of course, to play by the rules and provide adequate spacing to the vehicle in front of you. I am fully aware of the impeding traffic laws, but a simple explanation to an officer would alleviate the entire situation. Besides, when was the last time you heard of someone being cited for driving too slow?

-- Posted by ynot on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 2:42 PM

Yah. Just expressing my displeasure with the system--in the fact that it doesn't allow for reality at all. =/

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 2:51 PM


I hear ya.

-- Posted by SWBG on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 3:13 PM

Herr Hauptmann, DES is correct. There is no concept of the slow lane in Germany. If you are going to drive below 80mph then don't get on the Autobahn. You will actually get a ticket even if not in an accident for going to slow and endangering the other motorist. Granted when there is an accident it is pretty major, but I do believe statisticly accidents on the autobahn occur less frequently then in the US.

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 3:39 PM

Hilleco, OMG the sky is falling! We agree on several points again. Gratitude for what you have is the key to happiness and some would argue to success. Being frugal can be fun, as well as gratifying.

One gray area, I believe in getting what you have paid for. For example, if an individual has paid unemployment taxes over the years, then your job is moved to Mexico or the Phillipines, there should be no shame in accepting temporary assistance till you find another job.

Understand why our thoughts conflict in this area, you feel there should be no taxes to begin with.

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 3:47 PM

Herr Hauptmann, DES,

Thank you for your response yesterday about Germany. I figured that was the reason for "other priorities." Can't pacify a nation who has wanted blood for a while. Kind of reminds me of another senario. One that's recent. Can't put my finger on it. Muslum nations who are still ****** about the Crusades; one, two, and three!

-- Posted by fajar154 on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 3:56 PM


From yesterday. Yes, 21B now, but I still refer to the old MOS number.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 3:58 PM

Funny Alien Bunny, Do you own a business? I've been running a business for 30 years. Trust me, health insurance has increase by "at least" that much on some of my employees.

Even if you've only been in business 5-years, I know you've seen an increase.

-- Posted by Mr_Fruity_Flapjacks on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 4:05 PM

Ending the Cold War,

Charlie just kept the pressure on the Afgan theater. Used it as revenge for Vietnam and Korea. Arming the hell out of the muhjadeen (sp) and turning the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Break the will of the troops and you win the war.

Kind of like what Washington spews out at the troops now. Though they are our troops. How to lose a war from the inside.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 4:15 PM

Trash on Cape Rock,

If it's such an eyesore, pull over, grab a bag, and start picking it up yourself. Quit trying to pass it off on someone else. The city crews have other things to do.

Or take an alternate route.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 4:19 PM

Yes Swan, not 300%-500% in one year, but at least that in 30 years. I just checked some of my records and in fact in 2002, I did have several employees have rate increases that doubled from 2001-2002. Probably something to do with 9/11

-- Posted by Mr_Fruity_Flapjacks on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 4:23 PM


Don't know if you answered this before. Under the UHC plan everyone would pay an amount, lets call it a tax (because you know it has to come from somewhere). Would those on Social Security, welfare, and disability pay an amount also? Would make it fair for all to pay in wouldn't it? I believe as it is right now, you don't pay taxes when you are receiveing those benifits. And I am not saying it is wrong to be on those programs or not pay taxes if on those programs. I'm just curious if there would be 'shared' responsibilty for paying into the UHC.

And some of the concept of a UHC are very intreging and could work if done correctly.

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 4:32 PM

Hey fajar154,

Did you get all the gift cards from Lowes and Home Depot for Christmas? And does your wife have your 'honey-do' list ready? LOL Hope you are doing well.

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 4:35 PM

Trash along Lexington - I bet a good part of that is along county right of way not city...

-- Posted by insider63785 on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 4:38 PM

PUPSLOVER, (Sorry Swan, if you don't mind I will chime in on this one.)

Yes, ALL should pay a level premium/cost.

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 4:57 PM

hilleco, You made me laugh! Does make one think doesn't it. (Keep working it, you just might win me over! LOL)

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 5:03 PM

Thanks Hilleco and Melange,

Hilleco I am assumeing that the figure you quoted is the Federal Debt.?

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 5:30 PM


Do you think most don't realize that we are borrowing the money for the War on Terror and that is why there hasn't been a tax increase? And that it will adventually have to be paid back reguardless of which party is in power?

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 5:45 PM

Pups, Not to change the subject but did you know "A-1 Steak Sauce contains both orange peels and raisins."?

Fun facts, trivia, if you can get to this site at work (May help kill some down time.)


-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 5:58 PM

Thanks Melange,

Not that I'm complaining mind you, but it is a slow tonight. At work and on here. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 6:00 PM

Here's an interesting thought, Lord's Prayer is in the Bible in Matthew and Luke. Would that be considered plagarism today? (hehe)

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 6:07 PM

Pupslover: Right on. And what really blew me away on the Autobahn were the Polizei driving those souped-up little green & white VW Bugs. I'd be driving along with my speedometer pegged, and one of those clowns would come cruising beside me, flip me a casual salute, gun it, and he was outta there! I always wondered what the heck they had in those things.

Fajar154: You're welcome. Just workin' some old memories. And I suspect some of the same hatreds, influences, and fanaticism(s) still linger across Europe. We've all heard that a lot of Muslims were in bed with/influenced by the Nazis. And although Turkey was supposed to be a secular nation, there's a bunch of Muslims there.

When I operated in Turkey, I remember observing a Turkish military pass-in-review that kinda spooked me. The troops were all marching in perfect goose-stepping order to German military music, and their uniforms were almost exactly like the German Wermacht uniforms of WWII. Freaked me out.

I would hope you'd agree, however, with my argument that NOT ALL Germans who served in the Wermacht were Nazis (a political party, if not a cult)...I got in a bit of trouble trying to educate some ignorant American officers of that fact. Heck, even Irwin Rommel wasn't a member of the Nazi Party; probably why the SOBs murdered him, or forced him to commit suicide.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 6:53 PM

Herr Hauptmann, DES ,

My Grandfather was a member of the party, but in name only. He and my Grandmother knew that if he wanted to keep his job, and his life he had to.

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 7:33 PM

fxpwt: Trying to find an article from late-1980's advocating a flat tax. According to the author's research (recalling his name, would make search easier) and figures, the average American paid a total of over 60% of income into all our various taxes! Since then, we've had all sorts of additional taxation (in the form of "users' fees", etc.), plus increases in sales, property & personal property taxes.

Be interesting to start 2008 out with a Taxation Chart & see the end total of everything. Back when we kept all our receipts to deduct sales taxes from our income tax bill, the amount always surprised us.

Might accept the "flat" tax idea (when it first came up, 10% suggested, then 15%--didn't know it had gone even higher), but the idea of a "fair" tax, at estimated 35%-50% (very recent Huckabee article) doesn't sound very good to me--because as we all surely know, a "fair" tax would not end other taxation. Poor old guruspop wouldn't have a new TV yet if I'd had to pay an additional 35% for it! He was really getting tired of watching Food TV on my little 14" set.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 8:52 PM

It is sombering to total up all the monies for various taxes paid. Kind of gets me to wondering just where we are at on the infamous Laffer curve.

Each tax system has pros and cons - whether it be flat, graduated, value-added, or whatever the flavor. And I suggest that things go much smoother when people aren't able to understand the full impacts of the various convoluted methods, they only shrug, complain, pay, and move on.

But add a 1/2% here, and a percent there - pretty soon, get to talking about some real money and corresponding loss of purchasing power.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 9:18 PM

Pupslover: I hear that, about relatives. My parents told me I had a Great Grandfather who lived in Breslau (SP? - too lazy to look it up), Bavaria, which I heard was very close to where Hitler was born &/or grew up. They weren't too happy about that.

On a more humorous note about the tensions, grudges, etc, over there involved the same relative. In short, he was killed crossing a RR track there. On a tour of France, with a German bus driver & guide, I told the driver about the Gr. Grandfather's death. He went nuts. Told me that he was born in Breslau and lost a relative on the same RR crossing!

That driver also had a real "attitude" about the French, too. While we were at an intersection in Paris, near the Moulon Rouge (again, SP), he spotted a Fr couple crossing in front of his bus like slugs. So he cursed and edged the bus up behind them and goosed 'em! Needless to say, there was an interesting exchange of Fr/Ge language!!

The driver got his payback up in Amsterdam, though. The hotel waiting staff refused to serve both the driver & guide, so we had to order extra portions and slip it to them. Yup, there was still a lot of resentment and outright hatred over there for what the Nazis did...even to their own.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 9:27 PM

Hate to pop into this topic, but feeling brave (got medicated today): A Living Wage. What does it take for one person to have JUST enough to eat, minimal amount of clothing, shelter & heat to keep from freezing?

LIVING: (adj) pertaining to, suitable for, or sufficient for existence or subsistence:

(noun) the means of maintaining life; livelihood: to earn one's living:

So "Living" does not necessarily include AC, vehicle, TV, computer, stereo, or even furniture, right?

Yes, SSI apparently considers $632 a month enough for "living," plus food stamps (approximately $110 monthly in MO for that income level). Major perk to have rent-based housing (35% of income), and Medicaid. Hmm, $732 divided by 160 working hrs = 4.63/hr. I'm thinking that's what our own government would consider A "Living" Wage?

-- Posted by gurusmom on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 9:28 PM


You bring up very valid points. I think about it sometimes about how as a kid I lived without AC, but we did. Don't think I could do it now. Just really not a summer person here. LOL

Hope you and Guruspop are doing well.

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 10:01 PM

PUPSLOVER: Probably didn't come across as tongue-in-cheek as I meant it to...Just fooling around with numbers a little. My sis lived on SSI for years, before & after her transplant, so I kind of know how it could be...I took care of her for several years, with her two children, and it was TOUGH to shop for their groceries on such a limited income--and to fight for help from other agencies. I'll have to tell you guys about that some day.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 10:08 PM


Sorry I didn't catch that it was tongue-n-cheeck. Wow, Donnie was right, it's hard to get intent out of typing. lol

I did some number crunching on my own to kill some time at work. Basically just to have house (insurance and taxes included)$420, electricity/heat $120, water $45, phone/internet $70, tv $55, and groceries $300. I would need $1010 a month. And that's not including car, gas, smokes, credit cards (if you have any), and any play time. I think if I did the math right I would have to make $6 an hour and work 40 hours a week to make that $1010 a month. If I made minimum wage, there is no way I could 'live' off of it.

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 10:33 PM

PUPSLOVER: Nope, you'd have to make in excess of $7 an hour...you forgot to factor in income tax & FICA, and then you'd still be short over $200 (if MY figures are correct)! LOL

-- Posted by gurusmom on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 10:43 PM


Wow, and I hadn't even concidered that the $1010 was gross not net. I don't know how people do it.

Well, I'm off for the night. Hope to talk with you guys tomorrow.

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 10:45 PM

$1010 per month? You forgot to add Health insurance.

-- Posted by Mr_Fruity_Flapjacks on Fri, Dec 28, 2007, at 11:42 PM

"I would have to make $6 an hour and work 40 hours a week to make that $1010 a month. If I made minimum wage, there is no way I could 'live' off of it."

Pups, You forgot taxes! I estimate at least $8-9 dollars an hour for 40 hours, to make the budget work. Watch out for the unpredictable home repairs, didn't see that in the budget.

One other thought, SOME have two income households, which would help the income side of the budget a bit.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sat, Dec 29, 2007, at 4:36 AM

melange, please.I am one of 'those; people that wishes we would have never gone to war in '03, but guess what, we did; Partisanship or not, Please at least say a prayer for our brothers, sisters, cousins' and such, safe passage for all JHS, CHS, ND, and all from the area who chose to serve our country in a time of need.

-- Posted by tsi23 on Sat, Dec 29, 2007, at 4:49 AM

btw,. Melange, I'm sorry if it seems like I called you out...I actually believe in your commmunity spirit, and I think it is people like you that keep the community alive

-- Posted by tsi23 on Sat, Dec 29, 2007, at 4:52 AM

I will do my best to answer all emails...not that it matters much this day in age- my time has passed...but please do what you can to make southeast Missouri a more integrated and educated] destination of the world

-- Posted by tsi23 on Sat, Dec 29, 2007, at 5:08 AM

don't get a chance to post or read much. what are you getting at with the living wage crap?

-- Posted by ho ho ho on Sat, Dec 29, 2007, at 8:56 AM

ok I have 3 teen age boys and 3 teenage girls . cost of living

$950.00 a month . that includes house payment, cable/ phone/ internet, electric, food, nessesary items(ie: laundry supplies toiletrys etc, a student loan,insuance(home and car) and gasfor the month. so how do you figure livable wage? each family is different and some familys arn't as thrifty{ or as tightwads lol} as mine

-- Posted by hotrod_girl_is_here on Sat, Dec 29, 2007, at 10:56 AM

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