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Speak Out 12/14/07

Friday, December 14, 2007

Bad behavior

WHILE DOING my Christmas shopping I witnessed something that was disturbing. While waiting in a long line to be checked out, I watched as an employee offered to take the next person, and two older women cut through, claiming that because this young woman at the register had helped them earlier find a book they were looking for, they were entitled to be next in line. The employee tried to explain that since they had left to retrieve a book, they would have to wait back in line. These two women yelled at this poor employee. Having worked retail for 15 years of my life, I shouldn't have been but I was so shocked at the way that these older women were treating this girl. Please, holiday shoppers, don't take your bad attitudes out on the people who are helping you find exactly what you're looking for.

Pure propaganda

THE LENGTHY riposte reprinted from American Thinker asserted that Democrats are to be blamed for an alleged betrayal of our involvement in Iraq. The thesis of the article led me to think that this kind of irresponsible subjective spewing should lead the publication to be retitled the Formally Approved by the Bush Administration American Propagandist.

Bring back old movies

I AGREE wholeheartedly with the potential for the Broadway theaters. Renovate them and show classic movies. It would be another way to turn Cape Girardeau even more into a cultural center. We are already well on our way. Many of our younger generations haven't ever seen some of the wonderful old movies.

Restore old buildings

I AGREE with the comment about the old Broadway theater. I remember as a little girl my grandparents taking me there to see a movie. I think it would be great to see that theater open again instead of making it into something else like they did the Marquette Hotel. Restoring these old buildings is wonderful to see in Cape Girardeau, but restore them to what they were in the beginning. I know I would be happy, and I am sure others would agree.

Leaf-collection equality

THE LEAF-collection service in Cape Girardeau needs to be evaluated. The city picks up the exact same zones year after year even though half the leaves have only fallen when it finishes Zone A, which is where I live. In the past, the city recognized this fact and would come back through Zone A throughout the leaf collection season. But not this year. I called the city about my large pile of leaves and was told it would do follow-up collections after all the other zones were done. I guess the city is trying to save fuel, which is fine, but how about some equality next year and rotate the order of the zones? In the meantime, I guess my pile of leaves is headed for the street. I hope it blows away before it plugs up the storm sewers.

Great job with lights

ANOTHER GREAT job by the people on Kent Street. Another beautiful Christmas light display.

Depends who's stacking

HYPOCRISY: Criticizing Hugo Chavez and Pervez Musharraf for trying to stack the courts and constitutions in their favor when Bush supporters openly campaigned for the same thing in this country.

Percents, degrees

A RECENT report indicates that the warmest year was not 1998. The warmest years were in the 1930s. We've been cooling since the 1980s. To counter that report, the global warming crowd is reporting this winter may be warmer on average by as much as 4 percent. This means if the winter average is 40 degrees, it could get up to 41.6 degrees this winter.

Divine activity

IN RESPONSE to the story "Colleen's clear vision": I am curious why more people aren't moved by stories like this. How often do we see successes from people with pasts like this? I say there must be some divine activity for there to be so much transformation and faith. God bless them.

Booster-seat safety

I KNOW it's difficult to buckle your toddler into a booster seat, but it's even more difficult to scrape their faces off of the windshield and to pry their little teeth out of the air-conditioner vents. If you're not smart enough to protect your children from injury, you should have your license revoked and your children placed with someone who cares about their well-being.

Support questioned

WHY DID so many people send letters in support of Nathan Cooper? He broke the law and is a criminal. Why support his actions? Would you be proud for people to know that you wrote a letter in support of Cooper?

Sentencing issues

IT IS a sad day when Michael Vick is sentenced to 23 months for bankrolling a dogfighting ring and Nathan Cooper is only sentenced to 15 months for immigration fraud. In my opinion, the actions of Cooper were twice as bad that of Vick. Immigration fraud puts U.S. citizens at risk. What Vick did wasn't right either, but I don't feel animals should have more rights than humans. It is time for this country and our judicial system to wake up.

Pertinent quote

THE FOLLOWING quote reminds me of leftists who think embracing socialism is such a good idea: "Americans are so enamored of equality, they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom." -- Alexis de Tocqueville.

Where's the support?

AND WHAT is David Limbaugh's explanation for President Bush not signing the VA disability cost-of-living pay raise, which the House and Senate passed? Supporting the troops doesn't mean they lose our support when they come home battered and broken, does it?

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Both Michael Vick and Nathan Cooper received very lienent sentences for their crimes. As to why the criminal Michael Vick was let off so lightly, I do not know. In the case of Nathan Cooper, the federal judge who sentenced him, was a "good" Republican woman appointed by President George H.W. Bush to Missouri's Eastern District in 1990.

Corrupt Republicans need "good" Republican judges to get them off when they get caught. It may be sleazy, but that is the way things are done in the post-Constitution America.

I am sure that it all has something to do with 9-11.

-- Posted by Brill on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 12:13 AM

Cooper should have recieved more punishment, alot more. But he didn't kill any dogs.

-- Posted by MOJO_at_SEMO on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 1:10 AM

Corruption is universal not just a problem with one party. Everyone one needs to get off this partisan crap and work on making this a great country for everyone. There's not a nickel's worth of difference between a "Republicrat" and a "Demopublican!"

-- Posted by Data48 on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 6:45 AM

Jerry it probably has more to do with the black helicopters that circle your house attempting to intercept the communications from the aliens contacting you.

The g-men are coming to get you.

-- Posted by workin' them angels on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 7:01 AM

Wonder how many of the 'illegal truck drivers' are still on the road driving thanks to Mr Cooper???? And how many are in the pipeline going to truck driving school. Why not have immigration check the local truck driving schools. That doesnt seem too hard to figure out.

-- Posted by changedname on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 7:06 AM

Someone brought up an intriguing point about the Cooper deal -- didn't he in essence commit treason? What's the punishment for treason nowadays? Sure as far as we know it was just a handful of so-called harmless New Zealand truck drivers.

-- Posted by Rodney King on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 8:11 AM

FYI Update: Moving over to NON-smoking section please. (Left side, back table area) ALL are welcome! Lunch today, Grecian Steakhouse, NOON.

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 8:17 AM

You can thank Bush rather than Nathan Cooper for increased Mexican national trucks. Remember back when there was that announcement that hundreds of Mexican trucks would start operating in the United States and people had to scramble to stop them? Quietly that program has come back up but now authorizes many more carriers than the original 'pilot' program would have.

Best way to stop illegals in trucking? Just make them legal!

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 8:26 AM

Hey workin'...be gentle when you spank Jerry and his leftist buds. Paranoia is a touchy pathology to treat, and the left is full of it...along with something else that needs to be disposed of often. Speaking of corruption, I still have the national survey that shows the vast majority of convicted felons are either registered Dems, or whould vote Dem if given a chance. Also, per recent news, the Dems are now the party of the rich, so hypocrisy seems to be the word of the day for the left.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 9:18 AM


Just curious as to why yall are moving to NON SMOKING when most of your party SMOKES?

BTW...the old-timers here forget to mention that EVERYONE who posts or lurks here is invited.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 9:29 AM

Herr Hauptmann,

Just in the last couple years we have seen that the Republicans want to shout how great they are and how much good they do in helping God!

Yet just in the past year your own party have been in trouble with "Page Boy's,immigration fraud,Restroom sex party's,and a President who has done away with the Constitution, Set his own kingdom up and to hell with anyone that don't agree. A Vice President who has stolen millions of dollars through his own company,lies every time he opens his mouth.

Yea! Republicans are a great "GOD FEARING PEOPLE", Please!

-- Posted by bcman on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 9:38 AM


It is true that Nathan Cooper didn't kill any dogs. On one hand he could be responsible for terrorist acts committed in the future because of the illegals he allowed into our country. On the other hand....most of the dogs used in dog fighting would be put down anyway if they were to ever get loose or picked up by animal control because they are trained to be pure evil.

-- Posted by not_important on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 9:41 AM

To clarify my earlier post,

While everyone is calling treason for letting Nathan Cooper call in some Kiwis illegally, Bush is letting thousands of Mexican truckers in the big door by the thousands...

not condoning ammnesty, in fact, quite the opposite

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 9:46 AM

I have to agree with the comment about leaf pick up in Cape.Oh I know its a boring subject for most everyone in here but the leaves I raked are still on the street in front of my home.This season as everyone knows,the leaves were full on in early November!Not normally the case but 2007 weather here in Cape wasn't normal!When the city ran around town picking up leaves they were all still on the trees!A bit more intelligence should have been used by whomever decides when leaves should be picked up!I suppose all those leaves will just have to rot out there!I refuse to burn them!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 9:55 AM

babe, Preemptive move, as a courtesy to those in the group who ARE non-smoking challenged (poor souls).

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 10:01 AM

hrm...sometime when I have a free friday I may have to come mingle..

see if everyone brought their torches and pitchforks..


-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 10:19 AM


You ARE gothic, aren't you. LOL

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 10:24 AM

SuperBethie21, From yesterday's post...you'd better be prepared to discipline. ~giggle~

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 10:39 AM

Re: Percents, degrees

I should know better by now, but just couldn't resist - a 4% increase with respect to what, and what was the period or timeframe that these average values were pulled from?

For example, 40degF = 4.4degC. A 4% increase here would be a new temperature of 4.6degC, or 40.3degF. A difference of 1.3degF just by converting into and then back out of a different measurement system.

If the stated 4% increase is related to 'absolute zero', the minus460degF or minus273degC point at which there is no heat or warmth - as opposed to just an arbitrary thermometer zero - then a 4% increase from a 40degF or 4.4degC average would be 60degF or 15.5degC - the same resulting temperature level no matter which measurement system is used.

My concern is the opportunities taken for the manipulation and sensationalization of data without accurate supporting information or explanation.

Depending personal perceptions and interpretations, one can come away with an opinion here ranging from 'ehhh, no big deal' to 'holy cow!'.

Unfortunately, the 'Wow' factor is what grabs attention - whether it comes from the 'Chicken-Little' environmentalists, or the stereotypical male, stale, & pale energy company CEOs.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 10:40 AM


Well..then I'll expect the torches and pitchforks..

And be sure to bring my riding crop because the bullwhip is probably prohibited from the restaurant. *winkz*

Sorry..I couldn't resist...LOL!!

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 10:42 AM

I would but I have to work today and I only get 30 minutes to the minute...

So I have to wait for a Friday with an hour lunch or a day off.


Makes me sad. LOL.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 10:48 AM

I need to correct myself, I stated yesterday I don't like to watch spanking. However, if SuperBethie21 comes to lunch, and takes Librule up on his comment of being a "bad boy"...I want to see that!

Donnie is going to kill me...but SuperBethie21 got me started...just having FUN Donnie.

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 10:52 AM


I don't usually spank strangers..

but I'm tempted just for show.

And cause he probably thought I wouldn't.


I just wish I was off work..

Hope lunch is fun even though I'll miss it!

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 10:57 AM

Whats is this today?Chat or opinions?Oh,

by the way,I would try to find a different place to meet for lunch if I were Ya'll!Just my opinion ofcouse!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 10:59 AM


Do you remember when your mother or you instinctively put out your arm while driving when the child was in the front seat if you had to put on your brakes suddenly? And those cute little hook-on baby seats with the wheel?

I don't think we drove any better, but we sure had big monster cars that were more able to survive a wreck. And now some folks hate SUVs because it's not fair to them in their smaller cars.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 11:00 AM


LOL...it's casual Friday.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 11:04 AM

If it were an evening or weekend I'd be there with bells on.

I'm in training so I don't have much leeway to stay out of trouble.

I get out before too long...

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 11:20 AM

I drive like a **** maniac due to the fact I have six airbags in my SUV. The hell with everyone around me. I'll just run you over and count on my safety systems and shear size to save me.

(Swan, you make about as much sense as the above statement.)

-- Posted by workin' them angels on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 11:49 AM

How come no one ever invites me to lunch? I feel left out of the nut gallery... :(

-- Posted by workin' them angels on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 11:50 AM

'workin them angels' sounds like a **** idiot. if you're lucky enough not to die, or kill someone else, i hope they still throw you in jail. we'll see where the 'angels' are then.

-- Posted by FriendO on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 12:07 PM


See there...someone thinks you made the nut gallery. LOL

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 12:09 PM

Gosh, such harsh words from someone who cannot detect an air of sarcasm? Get a life timeboy.

-- Posted by workin' them angels on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 12:28 PM


What made the car seat an issue was dead children. In the 1960's there were bigger, more durable steel cars and a lot fewer of them on the road.

Something more inovative than showing old movies need to be done with the Esquire and Broadway Theater. I know some who wax nostalgic for yesteryear think people will flock to see "Gone With The Wind" at one of these theaters but the fact is that that demographic has taken their Geritol and is in bed by 7:30.

-- Posted by SWBG on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 12:36 PM

I don't think carseats are bad regardless of your car or how careful you are.

Some other dummy is bound to not be careful.

Plus...I can't imagine driving with your kid crawling over the seats and covering your eyes and scaling you like a tree...

although I have seen people do it.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 12:51 PM

short bald guy

I disagree with your opinion of renovating the old theaters. I would bet a market survey that not just the geritol crowd would flock to the old theaters if renovated in high plush style of the past. I'm talking chandeliers and plush draperies. Folks still like dressing up and going out on a special date, of any age. And an investor would not have to limit himself to "old movies" but could choose classic movies. Just think of it...dinner and a movie could become an elegant event that is unique enough to attract large crowds to lil ole Cape Girardeau. Think out of the box!

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 12:59 PM

heheh - marginally innovative, but not too original - how's abouts turning the theaters into sports bars? Certainly could brag about the biggest big screen around. :-)~

-- Posted by fxpwt on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 1:08 PM

Exactly conservababe,

Now youare talking about innovation. Most of the posts I have read made speculation about having those theaters like they were in the 50's. I think there could be a market for a dinner theater. One of the two could also cater to the local theatric players. I think now they do some stuff above Port Cape but a renovated theater could be more applicable. I believe there is potential that could be tapped but it has to be something different...though I also am always up for another sports bar, if the beer is cold and the food is good.

-- Posted by SWBG on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 1:20 PM

short bald guy

Okay...now to find some of these anarcho capitalists who post on here. Surely they have some investor money.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 1:26 PM


I completely agree that seatbelts should be optional for adult passengers over the legal age. I personally have had the misfortune to have many friends and family members in varying degrees of accident. Some died with their seatbelt..some died without. One would have died if he'd have had a seatbelt on.

So I think it should be your option--at your own risk.

However, I would say that by making it an option--that should revoke your right to do something retarded like sue the state because they didn't force you to wear it or sue the manufacturer because your seatbelts weren't automatic or whatnot.

It will be interesting to see if anything ever gets put into the old buildings.

I can't give an opinion on the theater idea--my hubby and I hardly go to the regular movie theater as it stands.

And if I want him to go to live theater--there better be a big incentive or I'll need a tranquilizer dart. *grin*

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 1:48 PM

Pure propaganda,

I don't think the Democratic Party as a whole,"..alleged betrayal of our involvement in Iraq." But they sure have had some involvement in hampering progression over there. Again I say not all Dems were spewing (nice word) treasonish statements. They are more akin to irresposible phrases that a drunken parent would say to child in a belittling manner.

"You'll never amount to anything." Leads to, "The war is lost."

"You broke it!" Leads to, "They are creating more terrorists everyday."

"Go to your room while your mom and I argue." Leads to, "It's a civil war and we're in the middle of it."

"I don't trust you." Leads to, "Hadethia, Abu Ghraib our servicemen and women are like Nazi Stormtroopers."

Don't know about you, but it sure would make me feel warm and fuzzy to see the video clips of SOME of the Dems (and Repuckicans) saying the crap things they did to us back then and now as well.

Some though are backpeddling and jumping on the "Surge is working" side.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 1:56 PM

And Swan, if you choose not to wear your seatbelt and you do not have adequate private health insurance, you get to die in the hospital. The government should pay nothing towards returning you to a healthful state.

I don't want to pay for your stupidity.

-- Posted by workin' them angels on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 2:19 PM


Well, swan could always divorce her spouse and go on Medicare and Medicaid instead.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 2:31 PM


I am not fat.

-- Posted by SWBG on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 2:35 PM


"said the spider to the flies".....LOL

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 2:55 PM

I do think school buses should have seatbelts, frankly.

It would decrease injuries received in rollover accidents---where children are flying around in a jumble in the LARGE open space between the seats and the ceiling.

It might also help with driver distraction.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 2:59 PM


lets be clear!The State did not make you start wearing seatbelts,the insurance companies did that.Big Corporations control the Government and consequently having to wear seatbelts,carseats,airbags,motorcycle helmets,and .08 alcohol levels are all a result of Insurance company lobbiest!Sure all these things do save lives but sometimes I wonder where it stops!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 3:02 PM


If I'm not mistaken (and I could be), but I do believe that there are quite a few school districts across the country that have seatbelts on their buses and more and more districts are leaning in that direction.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 3:02 PM

Sure, not wearing a seat belt should be your choice. But as long as we have the socialistic society that says if you do not have health insurance, we'll pay for your stupidity.

If you are on Medicaid and you exercise stupid lifestyle decisions (i.e. obese, smoking, drinking, riding motorcycles without helmets and not wearing seat belts) WE should not have to pay one dime towards your care/rehabilitation or your disability.

You should die at home.

-- Posted by workin' them angels on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 3:10 PM

By the way Swan, are you on Medicaid?

-- Posted by workin' them angels on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 3:11 PM


You might try to be less judgemental.

Not all people are obese by choice who rely on Medicaid. Some diseases CREATE obesity in people whose lifestyle actual combats it.

I hope you never get any of what you think you'd like to deal out.

By the way--Where did you get your M.D since you know about disease?

How long have you worked in Health Administration or Insurance since you proclaim to know so much about it?

Just curious as to your credentials.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 3:15 PM


You're absolutely right. The insurance companies claim that death and level of injury is higher for those not wearing seatbelts (probably true) and therefore claims they must pay for non-wearers are substantially higher necessating rate increases for all. So why not offer 2 types of insurance. One lower rate policy for seatbelt wearers and one higher rate policy for those that don't with the written understanding that if you purchase the lower rate policy for wearing seatbelts and are then in an accident and found to not have your seatbelt on, your policy is null and void and your auto repair and medical bills are on you. Do the same with motorcycle insurance with regards to helments. But then again there's probably some assinine gov't law that say's insurance can't discriminate between seatbelt wearers and non-wearers.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 3:21 PM


Darwin's Theory of Evolution. Strong survive.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 3:29 PM


What does Medicaid have to do with it. If you have private insurance and are in a bad accident I will pay for it as rates go up. If you have no insurance and the hospital wites it off I will pay for it as their rates go up. Just because someone is on Medicaid you imply that the poor are stupid and should be at the mercy of those who are not.

-- Posted by SWBG on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 3:36 PM

I got caught on "stupid lifestyle decisions."

Who the heck is the judge of that?

I might think it's stupid that you drink soda.

I might think it's stupid that you ride your bicycle at night in black clothes or that you skydive.

I don't think Angel is a qualified judge of "stupid lifestyle choices" and I'm sure she wouldn't want someone else picking her life apart....regardless of her private insurance, state insurance, or lack of insurance!!!

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 3:42 PM

Librule,I wonder if Insurance Companies are not the most dicriminating of all Corporations and companies.They discriminate against smokers,pe-existing health issues and

often times the mentally ill and this just mentions a few.We all talk about and debate the issue of universal health care but we should also be debating this insurance issue!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 3:44 PM

Thanks for lunch today. I enjoy the free flow of ideas. I wish I could have stayed longer.

Workin the angels

It has been said many times in this space that all are invited. It is a very diverse group and many opinions are present and welcome. Your presence and opinion would be welcome as well. Hope you can make it next Friday. I say this in reference to your post on 11:50AM. Not sure if you were poking fun or honestly felt you weren't invited.

-- Posted by Donnie on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 3:48 PM


Good point.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 3:55 PM

short white bald guy & babe, Ahhhh...now you have my attention. I miss the Ingersoll Dinner Theater that is in Des Moines, IA (where I lived for 17 years). Sorry about the cut and paste, but perhaps others will like the idea too.

"More than 20 years ago, some Des Moines area high school students and teachers had some spare time and a dream of ... dinner theater. The Purple Cow Players began performing in the old barn on Cutty's Campground west of Des Moines. The ambitious teens did everything from cooking dinner and waiting tables to climbing on stage and singing their hearts out for the audience. After a couple of years and many staff changes, the dinner theater moved to its present location in a renovated movie theater on Ingersoll Avenue. Since then the theater has grown from weekend performances in the summer to performing Wednesdays through Sundays throughout the year. In 1989 the dinner theater branched out a bit to form the Ingersoll Children's Theater Company, which aims to provide children with the fun- filled experience of live theater. The companies bring at least nine musicals and comedies to life each year, drawing close to 50,000 Des Moines area residents who crave a little homestyle cooking and culture."

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 3:56 PM

I agree Greywolf. I think that irrespective of Universal Healthcare, Insurance companies are largely out of control. I think that insurance companies are ruining healthcare. They dictate what doctors can and can't do. If a dr orders a test for a patient the insurance company decides whether or not the patient will get the test. That is wrong, in my opinion. I know that they may be the exception, but there are people that try to get private health insurance plans and are denied because of health problems, etc. They can't get medicare or medicaid, and the insurance company denies them even when they are willing to pay disgustingly high premiums. So what is the answer to that one?

-- Posted by allen6177 on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 3:56 PM


Nope, this is strickly a BUSINESS enterprise.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 4:10 PM

Insurance Companies...AMEN! Finally! I'm not sure I am for Universal Healthcare /Insurance as most of you think of it. I am FOR removing the profit and control insurance companies (& drug companies) have over us all. However, how do you do that without involving the government?

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 4:11 PM


Physicians, themselves, sign a contract with insurance companies to insure their income. They know ahead of the limitatios of the insurance concerning their practice. But, they would have you believe (sigh) that they want to do what is best for you, yet the mean old insurance companies are to blame.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 4:16 PM

babe, Please, don't miss read the intent of my post...that was just the Ingersoll's history. It has been private business for years, and I loved going there. Food was not spectacular, but the en-vi-ance (fonics, could not find in dictionary...spelling is that bad! LOL) was superburb!

Another great place was a movie theater that served pizza, beer, wine and you could smoke. Heaven!

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 4:17 PM


Guess one way to do it without government involvement would be to take all the insurance execs, lawyers, and politicians and waterboard the hell out of them until they come around to the peoples way of thinking. LOL

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 4:19 PM

There is a small movement among some states to do away with the Electorial College and elect our president by popular vote.

Critics of the plan say that popular vote would allow a populist president to be elected and would rresult in more political parties being formed. In my opinion, it would be a welcome change to have multipe parties, instead of the one party system that we now have.

Giving Americans the false choice of Republicans or Democrats is an exercise in frutility. As Pat Buchanan says, they are merely two wings of the same bird of prey.

If there were multiple parties, Americans would have the opportunity to be represented. Those of us who are totally committed to the 2nd Amendment, economic conservatisim, against off-shored jobs, and illegals would have a voice in government. As it is now, we do not.

We have two corrupt parties who fight for control of government only to the extent that it benefits themselves and their separate special interests. When it comes down to the real fight against corruption, they protect themselves, be the offender be a Democrat, or, a Republican. This is not the Republican party of my father, nor, is it the Democrat party of 50 years ago, either. They have reached an accomodation among themselves, with the common American being the enemy of both.

CNN is reporting that the Democrat controlled Congress, i.e. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid will give George Bush the money he wants to continue the war against the Iraqi people. The Democrats like to spout off about change, or, how they need more Democrats in Congress, but with the ones the majority that they have now, they have done nothing to warrant more Democrats in Congresss, nor, the Presidency.

-- Posted by Brill on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 4:20 PM

providers set the rates....

not insurance companies!

Your doctor decides how much to charge for his services.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 4:21 PM


LOL...your internal spell checker is disabled. Are you at Happy Hour somewhere?

Okay, I like the idea of a movie house allowing adult food and beverages and smoking, too. But, CG would never allow such a license to be obtained.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 4:26 PM

Jerry Fletcher, I like that idea! I have never understood why we STILL use the Electorial College. I personally see no need for any parties; to me it is growns up behaving like clicky groups in grade school, mudslinging, bullying and all.

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 4:27 PM


My problem with popular vote is the obvious one.I would not want New York,LA,Chicago and all the other mega cities to elect the President!That I believe is what would take place,just my opinion anyone else have something to add?

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 4:30 PM


Not all physicians sign contracts with all insurance companies. Yes, I do know this. The PPO, etc. contracts that they sign are the providers agreeing on a price for the services that they offer. Most doctors offices do not offer tests such as CT scans, MRI's. So the doctor does not know what insurance plans cover what test and so on. For example, a doctor orders a test and the insurance won't pay for it. Most patients are not or cannot pay the outrageous price for these tests. And the patient doesn't get the test that was ordered. Hence, insurance companies dictate what can and cannot be done.

-- Posted by allen6177 on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 4:30 PM

SuperBethie21, Depends on the "policy" type, for example PPO & HMO's are a negotiation process and guess who usually wins?

Traditional insurance limits your benefits to reasonable and customary charges that the insurance companies states in your policy (not sure how many of those are still out there).

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 4:34 PM


I have,as some in here are aware,had a lot of dealings lately with issues with insurance

companies and doctors.It is VERY important that if your doctor orders a particular test to ask his staff to call your carrier and get approval!My expierence so far has been all of my wifes test(2 this week on nerves)

are and will be covered!I agree with your post!Insurance companies have gone from insuring to thinking for you, and your doctor!

I hope that statement makes sense!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 4:38 PM


Why do you third party advocates always try to change the Constitution just because you cannot garner enough interest in an alternate party? geez louise

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 4:38 PM

librule, LMAO...I don't have to watch you guys do the waterboarding, do I? You know how sensitive I am to that sort of thing! LOL

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 4:38 PM

Hey Babe,why should'nt they!Every other Party

sure has!LOL..

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 4:41 PM

old theater old movies... we watched The General with Buster Keaton last night in black and white and no talking... had so much fun!In the group was an 11year old,a 65 year old and one 89 year old talk about having fun watching it! No age difference at that movie..Loved it!Just an idea for the old theater in Cape.

-- Posted by preachergrandma on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 4:41 PM


LOL...This seriousness of this issue began about 25 years ago! Most do not realize how very important it is till it affects them personally.

By the way, Greywolf...how is the Mrs. doing?

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 4:43 PM

I agree again Greywolf. This is also a problem for medications that a doctor prescribes. Insurance companies won't approve certain medications and won't pay for them. Most drugs have cheaper alternatives, but there are usually reasons why a doctor will prescribe certain medications versus another. I think that the Doctor should be able to decide what medications, tests that the patient needs instead of the insurance companies.

-- Posted by allen6177 on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 4:43 PM


I see that you, too, have jumped on the bandwagon of the popular vote. Good gracious, we are not a banana republic. We are a Republic first and a democracy second, thus the electoral college. I like my Constitution just fine, thank you.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 4:52 PM


Just a thought. How about instead of winner of each state getting all of that state's electoral votes, each county in the state gets 1 electoral vote. Winner in that county gets that vote. So if state has say 100 counties and candidate A wins 35 counties they get 35 votes, and canditate B wins 65 counties they get 65 votes.

Would have worked well with Missouri's "Right to Carry" that initially failed at the polls. As I recall, 90% of Missouri's counties voted for it but because of St. Louis and Kansas City's large populations that voted against it, the measure failed.

Again, just a thought.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 4:52 PM


Mrs.Greywolf is getting better very slowly.

The hematoma is half the size it was and now

we wait for it to absorb and take the pressure off the nerve that controls the femoris muscle on her left leg.Her heart is progressing well(at 60% up from 30% before surgery)Pace maker is not having to do much and thats a good thing too.NO A-FIB for 30 days now.Thanks for asking!

Allen: I agree again,but with the generic issue I would have to say I prefer generic over non-generic unless not available!I always ask my doctor if one is available and then ask the pharmacist if its as good as the brand name!I have found that Pharmicist know more about the drugs they sell then the Doctors that prescribe them!(in most cases anyway).

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 4:53 PM

Don't know what they can do to the Esquire Theater on Broadway. I was hired and tore out ALL the rows of seating a/b 12 years ago. A bar owner wanted to make it into another club. Swan do you know how many bars there are in the downtown area? Hint, bigger than 10.

Old movies would be great, but paying two bucks wouldn't keep the doors open. So Cape needs create a Historic Tax so we can MAKE people enjoy old time movies again.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 5:00 PM

Librule,That might work well in State Primaries but on the fed level the fact that many states have many counties and other states have fewer.You really have not solved the problem I brought up.I do see your point and it could be tweaked a bit to function.The fact does remain that population does play a huge role in electing a President.Each State has so many electoral votes

and that figure is arrived at from population of each State if I am thinking correctly here.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 5:01 PM

Popular vote? Electoral college? One thing is for certain: I hope the decision is never again up to the Supreme Court, especially after this fiasco.

-- Posted by iago on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 5:02 PM


I agree with you. I hope the next dem loser in the election just concedes instead of making an *** out of himself and taking to the highest court.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 5:04 PM


This is what I found for you about the Electorial College and how they are divided.

"The number of electoral votes of each state is the sum of its number of U.S. Senators (always two) and its U.S. Representatives; the District of Columbia has three electoral votes."

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 5:05 PM


Correct, and the # of US Reps is determined by population. (If I remember my Civics correctly)

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 5:07 PM


I believe you are correct. That is why Missouri has I think 22 and South Dakota only has 3.

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 5:11 PM

That is true about the pharmacist knowing more about the particular medication. I also ask for generics when available. But there a lot of drugs that do not have a generic or the generic isn't as good. I also find it funny/ironic that most insurances won't pay for smoking cessation meds, but will pay for lifelong inhalers and other meds for emphysema and other diseases caused by smoking. lol. Smart folks they are.

-- Posted by allen6177 on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 5:14 PM


Sorry I was mistaken, Missouri has 11 electorial votes.

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 5:17 PM

Lord love a duck...does everyone need a civics lesson? Why don't yall just forget about changing the electoral college and just bribe the electors instead. They are not legally held to voting as they were instructed by the voters.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 5:19 PM

Speaking of health insurance and doctors: Am I just an idiot (very possibly) or can anyone else read their health insurance policy and actually understand it. Same with the Explanation of Benefits from the doctor. These documents are always written in lawyerese which I was never proficient in. I know the proper thing to do is call the insurance co. with questions, but who has the time?

Dial 1 for English, 2 for Spanish, 3 for Mongolian. Then dial 1 for this dept., 2 for that dept., 3 if you're wearing clean underwear or 4 if wearing dirty underwear. So on and so on. Then when finally reach a real person and wait on hold for half-hour, they explain your benefits in the same lawyerese you did't understand in the first place.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 5:19 PM


you forgot a few steps. After waiting an hour and a half, you get a person in the wrong dept who transfers you back to the beginning to press buttons for an hour, the call gets dropped and you start all over. lol

-- Posted by allen6177 on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 5:23 PM


Let me pull out my pocket constitution and I'll get back to ya. LOL

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 5:23 PM

Gotta run. Wife's got chicken & dumplings on the stove at the in-laws. She makes the best on the planet. (Homemade from grandma's recipe). Wouldn't miss this meal if my hair was on fire. Check back in later as today's discussions very interesting.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 5:26 PM

Well, I agree with the concept that popular vote should be weighted in some manner. I disagree with the winner take all that some states use, as well.

Instead of awarding electorial votes on a county basis, because a county varies in population, even within a state, why not award electorial votes based upon congressional districts? Congressional Districts are basically the same size uniformly across the US. That would do away with winner take all, and give more represntation to the people, based upon a popular vote determining elecotrial votes by Congressional district?

I still like the multiple party idea. We evolved into multiple parties, then power was concentrated in the two major parties. Neither party represents my concern for upholding the Constitution, stopping off shoring jobs, defense of the 2nd Amendment in it's fullest extent, and the enforcement of our immigration laws at the border to stop the flow of illegals into the country.

Congress is a buddy-buddy system. Democrats never inflict severe pain upon Republicans, and Republicans never inflict severe pain upon Democrats. They wash each others hands, and perhaps other body parts, as well. They bicker for us to keep us worked up, but when it comes down to it, they take care of each other, regardless of which party member it is that has been outed, or, found to be dirty.

More parties, more true choices equals more representative government. Or, as melange said, do away with parties all together and let the candidate run on his record, or, propsals for the office that he, or, she is seeking.

-- Posted by Brill on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 5:28 PM

librule, "Am I just an idiot (very possibly)" & "3 for Mongolian" I am laughing so hard!

You forgot to mention that a patient rarely can get a statement at the time of service anymore.

Oh, phone-q tip...sometimes pressing 0 over and over will get you a real person faster. (Then again, sometimes it will get you a dial tone. LOL)

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 5:28 PM


Found this for you..

"There are laws to punish faithless electors in 24 states. While no faithless elector has ever been punished, the constitutionality of state pledge laws was brought before the Supreme Court in 1952 (Ray v. Blair, 343 U.S. 214). The court ruled in favor of state laws requiring electors to pledge to vote for the winning candidate, as well as remove electors who refuse to pledge. As stated in the ruling, electors are acting as a function of the state, not the federal government. Therefore, states have the right to govern electors."

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 5:29 PM

There are still traditional policies out there.

However--Providers--doctors/hospitals/etc set their rates. If you CHOOSE to participate in private insurance..you get a negotiated rate.

Everyone is screaming about how insurance is screwing people---but the people they are discussing who can't afford certain tests or who choose not to have coverage are getting the PROVIDER's rate..not the insurance company's contracted rate...which always pays a provider less than they ask for.

For example--I go to the hospital and get an XRAY--hospital bills $100. If I had insurance...insurance has a contracted rate with them to pay $50. So I will either pay a copay or a portion of the $50 charge. If I had neither I get stuck paying the $100 rate that the hospital decided to charge for their service.

Does anyone even see my point?

Does anyone even want to see my point? LOL

I agree with you all that customer service needs to be improved to allow for easier access to reps and more direct explanations. Unfortunately some of the very laws that protect you...prohibit us from being able to give you the kind of information you would like to have.

I see this room for improvement everywhere though---the bane of my existance lately has been trying to call Wells Fargo.

I just punch numbers until I'm so mad that I could scream...THEN I finally get a person.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 5:39 PM

I also hate calling places and only getting reps that speak Mongolian, Librule!!

You and I must be dialing the same people.


-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 5:40 PM


The Senate is the teacup and saucer governing body, but not the house. When they have a good leader they can be very rowdy in their democratic endevours. I respected the members of the 104th congress.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 5:41 PM

Jerry Fletcher, Most agree that politics has been tainted (~smiling~) by money. Lobbyist for special interest groups and corporations would have a very difficult time if there were 20-30-50 individuals running solo, verse the current situation of two parties.

I still like my wacky idea of no campaign money at all. Give each candidate a website & one night of TV-divided evenly depending on the number of candidates. (NO greasy palms, 8:45pm phone call polls, junk mail, caucuses or debates).

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 5:42 PM


Another tip...just keep saying 'representative, please' over all the automative voices.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 5:45 PM

Super Bethie,

If i were a betting man, I would bet that you type most of this within the walls of Anthem. I may be wrong, and don't expect you to say yes or no, just a hunch by the way you are staunchly defending the insurance companies. From a healthcare perspective, insurance companies are a pain in the a$$. It is one of those necessary evils that you "can't live with, and can't live without". I know that people "choose" to participate, as you emphasized, but it isn't so much a choice as a necessity. Insurance companies know this, and charge whatever they want and pick and choose what they feel is "needed" irrespective of what a DOCTOR says.

-- Posted by allen6177 on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 5:45 PM


ie: states punishment for electoral unfaitfulness

STATES no longer have any RIGHTS!

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 5:52 PM

babe, I can't type what I usually say over those things! It would read something like... "Give me a *ble* *blee* *bleeping* representative NOW!"

I'm usually so ****** off (whoops can I say that) hehe that I bet my neighbors can hear me. LOL

Speaking of frustration, I went to Walmart this afternoon around 2:30pm. I am proud to say, I forced myself to smile and behave. I swear they need turn signal lights when they are so busy. And no Egg Nog! :(

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 5:53 PM

Ah...I just seen a story on a "Secret Santa". A guy traveling around the country giving people money who really need it. $75,000 a year till his money runs out. (Wish I were rich, I'd like to do that!)

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 5:58 PM

Well Allen...

I won't commit to where I do or don't work...and I know you don't expect me to..

but my opinions are not entirely based on where I work...and I don't represent them in any fashion or official capacity.

Prior to getting out of college and getting a job.. I SPENT 5 YEARS TOTALLY UNINSURED!! So I have an idea of what both sides of the fence are like.

Part of that was due to constraints--times when I TRULY couldn't afford to get the insurance...and then there was a bit of time where I chose some things that were less "important" than health insurance.

I had some major medical issues..and I do know what it can be like.

It seems that people believe that just because you work in an industry..you don't have to participate in it...it's like a magic fairy does it.

I AM a participant in a health insurance plan---so I know what customer service is like..how much I'm paying out or not, and what they cover and what they don't.

I will say however--that you are currently talking to me from the four walls of my very own home.

I don't think it's perfect..and I think there is room for improvement. But I don't think people want to place enough responsibility on the facilities and providers or even on themselves. How many people do you know who go and have tests, procedures, appts, etc without even ASKING what it will cost or what it would cost without the almighty insurance?

Not many...most people do not take an active role. They want someone else to do it for them.

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 6:00 PM

SuperBethie21, "How many people do you know who go and have tests, procedures, appts, etc without even ASKING what it will cost or what it would cost without the almighty insurance?"

I can't answer for others, but I DO ask ahead of time, and it is NOT easy getting those answers!!!!!!! Heck, it is near impossible to get a statement at the time your service is completed! (Even at SOME doctor's office.)

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 6:08 PM

I know it can be difficult...

and I know that some people do it.

You are just in the self-reliant minority.


-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 6:13 PM

swan, Welcome back! Glad you made lunch, hope you had a good time!

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 6:16 PM

I probably am guilty of not investigating what things would cost if I didn't have insurance. For example, when I go to get a prescription filled, I honestly do not care how much it cost the insurance company, I want to know how much I have to pay. I am thankful to have insurance through where I work. I don't think insurance companies are inherently evil, I just think that they are out of control and I wish something could be done about it. I am not saying it should be government controlled or universal healthcare is the answer. I think it would nice to fix the problems that exist now with the current systems ie Medicaid, Medicare, Private Insurance. If Govt stepping in would do it, then so be it.

-- Posted by allen6177 on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 6:17 PM


Are you telling me I'm wrong again???? LMAO

Hope you are feeling good today.

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 6:28 PM

Babe, Didn't you say you had a cyber pal for Pups? I know he is involved, but am curious to see how good you are at this "match making"! LOL

Oh, Does female have a good haircutter? I need to make a change!

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 6:31 PM


Where are you? I am hoping you are not the Lumpy in the accident I read about! If you are, get well fast...we miss you here!

-- Posted by coke zero on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 6:33 PM


I know don't have Brad's butt or Cheney's dimples, but am doing ok on my own dating wise. LMAO

Sorry Donnie if you're reading, but it had to be said. LOL

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 6:46 PM

"... but the fact is that that demographic has taken their Geritol and is in bed by 7:30."

Posted by short white bald guy

While the above comment was directed towards restoring theaters, just wondering if the same demographic doesn't also apply to this forum, as it seems the posting fury has subsided? :-)~

-- Posted by fxpwt on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 7:13 PM


It does this every friday night. I guess most have better things going on then being here. Unfortunately I'm not one of them.

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 7:17 PM


OMG...are you 'involved' with Donnie?

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 7:19 PM


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! Just meant that he said he would leave the posting area if Brad's butt or Cheney's dimples were brought up.

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 7:21 PM

Careful Pups and Babe, that's how rumors get started. LOL

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 7:27 PM

Where's The Support...

That is an excellent question. I would like to hear Dubya's explanation of that, actually. Sorry all for getting on topic. lol.

-- Posted by allen6177 on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 7:33 PM

Oh, sorry Pups

I just ADORE Cheney. He is a strong stand up man. I just love men who are like that plus being sexy, good dancers, persuasive speakers and **** good looking.

I remember when in the debate of the first election he said 'don't worry, we have been there before and we know how it is done'.

It is strange that he would have this strength after having lived with serious heart problems since 37 years old, but maybe that has given him his candor.

I have to remind myself not to hate Lynn as I like her politics, too. LOL

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 7:34 PM


Don't know all the details of the bill, but if it's like the majority of bills sent to the Pres., a bunch of amendments and riders were added to the bill that has nothing to do with VA cost of living raises. Amendments added by congressmen for millions of dollars in pork barrel spending. So it could be possible that W is for the raises but refuses to sign it for all the added pork. I personally believe the Pres should have line item veto powers like many state governors do. That way good bills could be passed without all the added pork that congress adds on.

If con is the opposite of pro, then what is the opposite of progress?

Answer: congress

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 7:46 PM


LMAO,,, Cape is a big small town if you know what I mean. Definately would not want to **** Donnie off though. I'm sure he knows how to hide a body. LMAO j/k Donnie.


Definately don't see what you see in Cheney, but more power to you babe. Just make sure Lynne isn't as good a shot as Dick with a Gun. LOL

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 7:46 PM

Good point Librule.

-- Posted by allen6177 on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 7:48 PM

Hey everyone, back from the Rio Grande. Everone ready for the snow and ice tonight?

"Corrupt Republicans need good Rep. judges" how insane that sounds. I think the weather corrupts the local thinking here. Come on, please show common sense.

I feel sorry for some of you, with all this hate and discontent towards the Republicans. What about the ignorance with the dems? The have proven to be blow-hards. Big dissapointment.

Fred '08

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 7:48 PM


We've been there, done that. Line item veto was rejected by the SC. Actually, there is no place else to go in blame...except our election of legislatures. Hold THEIR feet to the fire.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 7:58 PM


I can give you two good hairdressers if you want references.

One is my aunt--she is accepting limited clientele because she works up here one week a month..and the rest of the month in Atlanta (where she moved with her fiancee). She works at a salon in Cape Girardeau.

The other has done my color on occasion and works on many people that I know. Her salon is on the outskirts of Jackson.

If you want more details--send me an email! =)


Also---I see your point, Allen.

and I really do think there is room for improvement.

Yah--everyone else must be out having a crazy time on Friday nights.

I don't fit that bill since I got preggers--I don't have enough energy to paint the downtown. LOL! *winkz*

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 8:02 PM

Good grief - "It's a Wonderful Life" is on. Isn't that mandatory Christmas viewing???

I'm certainly no 'George', but still looking for my 'Mary'. *sigh*

Just peeked in here between commercials. :-) Be back shortly.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 8:50 PM

How'd I get involved in this? If ya'll want to discuss Brad and Dick who am I to stand in your way? I gotta say I'm glad you don't do it over lunch.

-- Posted by Donnie on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 9:28 PM


Ah cain't hep it if ah'm a Cheney Chick. Now, who would you rather have a beer with...him or Brad?

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 9:36 PM


It's Babe's fault. LOL

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 9:37 PM


Brad probably drinks Zima or wine coolers. I wouldn't want to get Dick liqured up either just in case he had a fire arm handy.

-- Posted by Donnie on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 9:56 PM


I LOVE Jimmy in his movies and politics. It couldn't have been easy for him to be best friend to Henry Fonda. LOL

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 9:57 PM


What was wrong with Henry. Wasn't he a republican conservative? Would have thought he fell into your 'strong man' type. lol

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 9:59 PM

Not much on tv, flipping between Wonderful Life and Hannity's interview with Dog Chapman. Boring x10.

How was lunch today?

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 10:02 PM


Glad you made it back safely and hope the Mrs is feeling better.

Lunch was good. Had a few that hadn't met yet. The topics were varied. Though did forget to ask Donnie if he brought his pics from Iraq. And forgot to ask to look at Doug's granddaughter's christmas show pics.

How was your trip?

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 10:06 PM


Henry Fonda was the father of those fruitcake children, Jane and Peter, and was an annoying liberal democrat himself. The apples never fall far from the tree, tis true.

Anyway, Henry never apoligized for being a liberal by calling himself a 'progessive'. But, I guess they didn't have to in those days because their party had not been hijacked. I do admire him going into the service despite efforts to keep him at home.

I once heard Jimmy say that he and Henry got along just fine because they did not discuss politics. LOL

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 10:17 PM


Mmm guess I never bothered to really check his politics. Just appeared kind of on the gruff side. LOL

Oh, and if judging the person by their children, should we discuss Dick and Lynn's Daughter??? LOL j/k

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 10:26 PM


About time to head home. Hope you have a great weekend. And thanks for keeping me company tonight. :-)

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 10:32 PM


Sure we can discuss their daughter. Which one?

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 10:33 PM

Oh I don't know, maybe the not straight one??? LMAO

-- Posted by Pups on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 10:37 PM

Hey all. I guess I know where to go on Friday nights now. Regarding the theaters...

At one time a twin theater opened in a strip mall in Virginia Beach. It looked like any other place on the outside, but the theaters themselves were breathtaking. They were decorated in art deco. There was no row seating. It was filled with round tables that sat from two people to eight people. The chairs were big and comfortable with rollers and swivel seats. Menus were given out at the door and waitresses came around and took orders both before the movie started and during the show. They ran a tab and you paid for your eats when the movie was over. It was very inexpensive to get in, they made their money on the food and the menu was varied and really good.

What made it even more attractive was that there was always a movie for children and/or families on one side and a movie for more mature audiences on the other. Beer was served. It was always so much fun to go there. They showed all kinds of movies, new and old. The place was always full.

Might be a good idea for the Rialto.

Just a thought. I can't afford to help buy the old theaters in Cape, but it would be great fun to help renew them.

Let me add--it's fun being a lurker!

-- Posted by Maxine_the_Magnificent on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 11:06 PM

Gosh Jerry Swan, who the heck is Dru Reeves?

-- Posted by workin' them angels on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 11:18 PM


Wow, you have just given me an image of what it could be as I was resisting SWBG's suggestion of food served in the theater. But I still like the idea of one screen in a plush setting for adults only.

I have insomnia.

-- Posted by conservababe on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 11:23 PM

Gee. I got home tonight and found a whole lot of bloviating going on out there; too bad not much of any use or even entertaining.

mhillman: With all due respect (due being the operative word), I don't recall saying I was a Republican. Ever hear of an independent voter? I realize leftists do not tolerate independent thinkers or achievers and, come to think of it, I usually am forced to vote for Repubs because I sure as heck won't waste my vote on a socialist Dem slug, because that's exactly the cancer that has taken over your party. But if that's your choice, knock yourself out...just don't whine about it when your freedom flushes down the toilet for good.

Workin' them angels: Don't feel bad about being left out of the fun! You sound like you have a real day job anyway, unlike some of the others. Besides, you might appreciate the strategy of letting all the nuts gather in one basket. Then it's much easier to bag 'em all at once and haul 'em off to the nut house for, well, shall I say, processing?!!

Y'all have fun now, y'hear! Maybe there will be something juicy on Sunday, like some more Gene Lyons-style hate mongering.

-- Posted by Herr_Hauptmann_DES on Sat, Dec 15, 2007, at 12:23 AM

Herr Hauptmann, DES,

Hate to disappoint, but everyone that showed up for lunch has a full-time job or might be retired. A couple of them might work the evening shift, but you discription of those that meet for lunch is wrong. It is a diverse group and all that post here have been invited many many times. Including the ones that b*tch about not being invited.

Please, know what you are talking about before drawing a conclusion about anyone that might meet for the friday lunches.

-- Posted by Pups on Sat, Dec 15, 2007, at 5:01 AM

Aww! Dang! I thought the wicked witch of the east ...Aka...Dru C. Reeves had been banished! Just when you think it's safe to get back onto the blog too.

Looks like I've missed a few things in my absence. Bob Camp banned still?

Wait...I just had a vision. Is it conceivable that Dru is Bob Camp's kid?

That's it! That's what the C stands for in Dru's name. C for Camp!

-- Posted by Mr_Fruity_Flapjacks on Sat, Dec 15, 2007, at 9:08 AM

Swan, I have no idea what you are talking about! I am not Dru Reeves. Don't have a clue as to who you and pancake boy are referring to.

You left wing socialist nut bags must have been wearing your tin foil hats at lunch yesterday. Communication from the mother ship to your little group must have been corrupted in some way.

Maybe you guys have a slight touch of autism.

-- Posted by workin' them angels on Sat, Dec 15, 2007, at 10:14 AM

Hi Dru!

-- Posted by Mr_Fruity_Flapjacks on Sat, Dec 15, 2007, at 10:34 AM

I heard from a reliable source last night that Dobbie and Kaverman are gone after January 1. Anyone else hearing anything on that? Or confirm it?

-- Posted by Mr_Fruity_Flapjacks on Sat, Dec 15, 2007, at 10:38 AM

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