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Speak Out 11/20/07

Tuesday, November 20, 2007

Ethanol is not solution

YOU NEED to get over ethanol. It's not the answer to our energy problems and never will be. It is, at best, a bloody Band-Aid. We need to develop more nuclear power, hydroelectric power, wind power and solar power. Technology is improving. In the meantime, we need to work on cleaner coal-fueled power plants and develop our own petroleum reserves until something better is ready. Seven years ago, Congress refused to allow development of 2 percent of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Industry leaders promised oil within seven years. We could be reaping the benefits right now. Congress blew it. Now Congress is trying to appease us by giving us the white elephant known as ethanol and funding it with our tax dollars. What a waste.

Making comparisons

TELEVANGELISTS are to religion what politicians are to statesmanship.

Sentencing sense

I DON'T understand how a 16-year-old boy got 30 years when a pastor's wife can kill her husband and get six years. You have child molesters and rapists who some serve very little time behind bars. Some only get probation. Our system is so messed up. I think there should be a set punishment for murder, attempted murder, rape and child molestation. Sometimes I wonder if the judges are not half out of their minds.

Ethanol information

ETHANOL PLANTS don't get 52 cents per gallon subsidy. That is a gasoline refiners subsidy. Ethanol is a green fuel. The reason we started adding it to gasoline in the first place was to reduce emissions, not to replace gasoline. Beyond that, test after test shows that it has far less impact on the environment than gasoline, even after including fertilizer use. Ethanol plants are not polluters. Their emissions are heavily regulated and are required to use emission-destroying machinery when they make their cattle-feed byproducts.

City hall parking

IT IS raining in Jackson. I am trying to pay my utility bill but can't find a place to park in front of city hall -- all the spaces are taken up with city service vehicles. This has got to stop. There is plenty of employee parking in the back of city hall. When court is in session, there is nowhere to park. The mayor can put a stop to this. Let's see if she will.

Awesome season

CONGRATS TO the Jackson Indians for an awesome season. You should be proud of yourselves. Don't let anyone tell you that you're not good. You made it as far as you did. Great job, guys. Go celebrate.

Right-of-way

SIMPLEST RULE of right-of-way: If your lane is blocked, be it by construction vehicles, trees, poorly parked cars or even emergency vehicles, you do not have the right-of-way in oncoming traffic's lane.

Broadway buildings

PEOPLE, CUT our mayor some slack. I know he says things about issues sometimes that come back to bite him. But he is right to some extent about the abandoned buildings along Broadway. The property owners need to be forced by the city to either repair the buildings and bring them up to city code or tear them down. Look at some of these buildings. They are crumbling. Some are dangerous.

Burlison's back

I HAVE seen Bill Burlison in the area for the last few months. I thought that he was just a retired politician who had moved back home with several retirement checks from government. Now you report that he wants to run for the Missouri House. Please ask Mr. Burlison to stay retired and move Missouri toward a better future.

Health-care solution

I SEE where employment for October grew to an additional 166,000 new jobs. All the doom and gloom talk we have been hearing from the media must be wrong or some body has inflated the numbers. The elected politicians cannot help that a lot of us got over our heads in debt. You can't blame them for that. The most important issue at hand is the continued high cost of health care and prescription drugs, which is out of control and must be addressed by all of us and a solution brought to the table.

Hillary's memory

SOME OF us found it ironically humorous that Hillary Clinton, when asked during this week's debates if she thought Ross Perot had been right in his opposition to the free-trade deal (which many seem to have forgotten was supported by President Clinton), her reply was, "All I can remember is a bunch of charts. That sort of is a vague memory." This provoked much laughter, but was it really that funny? If you bother to look it up, Hillary has a history of "not recalling" many things.

Lessons of the past

FOR EIGHT years, I attended a school where there were two to three grades in each room. My husband attended a one-room school for six years. Both of us believe our education, at the point when we went into high school, was far superior to what we see in children at that age today. Similarly, most of our childhood friends who attended larger, one-grade-per-room schools were drastically behind us in their education at any given time. For one thing, while the higher class in a room was being taught, the younger children were assimilating those lessons. We have failed in education over the decades by tossing out what worked in the past and now by not looking at what is working in the countries who have now surpassed us.

Biking reality

TWO BIKERS have made their cases, and I'm sure they are right. The only problem is that convincing everyone they are right will not bring them back to life when hit in the dark at the crest of a hill or mend bones when hit by a sleepy motorist.

Police image

WE HOLD our law enforcement officers to a higher standard, as we should. I would like to express my appreciation for the presence of the DARE officer greeting the students at Cape Girardeau Middle School each morning as they arrive. It's good for our children to see the positive roles the police provide rather then the neighborhood negatives when they enforce the laws. Our children mimic their adult role models. When pointing a figure, look in the mirror.

Amazing feat

THE RETURN of Methuselah-like Bill Burlison to elected political office in Missouri would be an amazing feat and might literally put the nail in the coffin for those now aged Republicans who hounded him out of office 40 years ago.


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My word, Bill Burlison is actually listed on politicalgraveyard.com

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 2:19 AM

Re: Right-of-way

I always figured it was the vehicle with the biggest tires that had the right-of-way...

Re: Health-care solution

I am getting ready to quit working for a company and buy my own truck. When I do that, I will no longer be eligible to participate in the company's insurance plan. What I have found by looking around, is that I could be getting the exact same policy on my own for $20/month less than I am getting it through the company. Another option is to set up a health savings account, with a high deductible and low monthly premium....some HSA plans were down in the $50/month range. You don't need the government to give you insurance, and you don't need an employer to offer it to you. All you need to do is make the personal choice that it is important for you to spend the money on....and then DO IT!

Re: Sentencing sense

It isn't that all of the judges are half out of their minds, it is half the judges that are totally out of their mind. 30 years for attempting to take another person's life is reasonable. IMHO, child molesters, rapists, and murderers ought to be put to death.

-- Posted by dixietrucker on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 2:33 AM

For those that might be critical of Bill Burlison for his age, consider Mary Kasten.

-- Posted by Tom_Grey on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 4:57 AM

Broadway buildings, I completely agree!

Sentencing sense, I completely agree with dixietrucker!

Health-care solution, "The most important issue at hand is the continued high cost of health care and prescription drugs" I agree health care cost (and availability) are SOME of the important issues, I don't think they are THE most important. (Defining the most important issue is a bit like saying I love little Johnny more than little Suzie. Our country has several issues that need to be addressed.)

Dixietrucker, Thank goodness you are healthy! Your insurance rates would not be cheaper if you were not!

Good luck with the truck! My dad was a successful owner operator for 17 years, and then he went freight-side for 13 years till he retired. IF one can say a truck driver has an easier life, his was much easier when he was driving freight-side (not on the road 2-3 weeks at a time, repairing the truck or trailer-the weekends he was home, no dead-heading home etc). In recent years, I have known a few individuals who bravely took the risks of owning their own truck. They worked their A$$'s off, and couldn't make a decent living, because it cost so dang much to keep their rig running. I am not trying to be negative, just honestly sharing what I've witnessed. Truly, the BEST of luck to you!

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 5:16 AM

Your remark about Mr Burlison was expected this morning. Probably Rush Limbaugh is the owner of the dot.com.

-- Posted by changedname on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 6:02 AM

I agree that ethanol is only a temporary fix, but it does and will have a place somewhere. What I would like to know is what happened to the water powered engine? If you want to see it you can google it. There is a video clip on YouTube and I received it as email a year or so ago. Surely they are not that far out to making it a viable energy source and why are they not talking about it? MONEY

-- Posted by mutt_jdr on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 6:17 AM

A bit off topic: Curious what everyone's thoughts are on this article regarding hiring a new school district employee. To me, it sounds like age discrimination. Sorry Hilleco, I know I have my guns raised again. Isn't it surprising an educated professional does not know better than to say such things out loud? My thoughts, the district may have just set themselves up for an age discrimination lawsuit.

"My No. 1 [quality] is age, and the number of years before they plan to retire," Tom Reinagel said.

http://www.semissourian.com/story/129198...

http://www.dolir.missouri.gov/hr/27-AI.p...

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 6:45 AM

I agree, 30 years for attempting to take a persons life is reasonable. Especially when the shooter calmly and in cold blood pumped two more rounds into his victim while he was lying on the ground bleeding. This kid fully and with premeditation intended to end a life over a trivial teenage romance. That's why the sentence was so harsh.

-- Posted by Data48 on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 6:47 AM

Right-a-way: Try going past Jackson Jr High at 3:10... It is a dog eat dog mad house. They should cut some of the lawn out for parking to make room for people to drive by.

-- Posted by freedom1776to2008 on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 7:16 AM

Parking in jackson:

FYI-the electric company has a drive through. And there's always snail mail.

Tough sentancing.

30 years for attempted murder is not a harsh punishment.

-- Posted by outnabout on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 7:53 AM

I support Mr Reinagel. This district has been stagnant for far too long due to the lack of forward thinking and a clear vision. If a superintendent is only thinking forward a few years until they can retire or is planning to move on that is bad for Cape. How many different superintendents have we had in the last 20 years? They keep offering more money each time and getting less out of the investment. If you owned a business, would you hire a person as your CEO that was 2 or 3 years away from retirement or a person that will be around for 10 years or more to see your vision of future growth come true

-- Posted by Solelicious on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 8:10 AM

Cape4Life, Honestly, I agree with his thoughts. However, caution should be exercised when voicing some things out loud especially with the media present.

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 8:47 AM

Mel

You know just the fact that it is a clear violation of the law should be enough to keep these board members quiet. What happens now when they say no to an older applicant? Really about the only thing they can do now is either hire the oldest applicant or jump up and down and say they were misquoted.

-- Posted by Donnie on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 9:59 AM

melange

Just curious as to why you are always cautioning people to be careful when talking to the press. If you say something and they quote you, then why are you afraid? Most folks stand behind what they say.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 10:09 AM

hmmmmm...Mary Kasten is not listed in politicalgraveyard.com

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 10:10 AM

Donnie, Those are exactly my points. I understand where his comments were was coming from and I am certain his intentions were well intended, but one really does need to respect EEOC regulations, the media's ability to shape a topic and quote. Unfortunately, in my opinion unless seMissourian prints a retraction due to a misquote, this comment has put the school district in a serious bind--forced to hire an older individual or face possible law suit(s).

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 10:36 AM

We don't the the context in which it was spoken and as some here have found out, the media tends to put their own twist on things which sometimes changes the thought. For the good of the district, I think he was probably trying to avoid a repeat of what just happened. It's a huge challenge to fill the position with the right person and it sounds as if they were all giving their perspective. And remember, the decision is not left up to one person. It's too bad honesty is oftened derailed by political correctness.

-- Posted by justforfun on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 10:42 AM

Let see, "stand behind what they say". I believe not to long ago a former native of Cape Girardeau was quoted as saying something, but claimed the press misquoted/took out of context what he was saying. Guess he shouldn't have whined and changed his broadcast then based on Babe's idea that the press only quote what is said.

Just trying to follow your train of thought Babe.

Oh and also, took a look at the site you gave yesterday. Definately different perspective on the issue. Thanks again.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 10:44 AM

justforfun, I agree with your thoughts completely. However,IF this was NOT a misquote, the comment went beyond "political correctness", it broke the law.

I have no doubt Mr. Reinagel's intentions were to avoid a repeat of the current situation, and I support that goal.

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 10:55 AM

Frankly, if I was Mr. Reinagel, I'd spin it like everyone else does. I might say my concern with age wasn't hiring someone too old, but someone too young. Someone who lacked the kind of experience needed to handle the difficult challenges faced by the district. And of course, the reference to retirement relates to sticking around until the job is finished and not leaving a mess for someone else to fix.

-- Posted by justforfun on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 10:57 AM

"it broke the law"

Correction, it would imply the INTENT to break the law.

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 11:04 AM

melange

I don't think it's against the law to make a statement of your concerns. Now if the board actually excluded the elderly, just because of their age, when they do hire - that would be discrimination.

-- Posted by justforfun on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 11:05 AM

justforfun, Sorry, just posted a correction... by the way do you consider 40 years of age elderly? LOL (just teasing you)

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 11:07 AM

I don't think Mr. Reinagel was speaking FOR the board when he made the statement, I believe Mr. Reinagel was speaking TO the board. It would have to be the board's INTENT - not Mr. Reinagel's.

-- Posted by justforfun on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 11:11 AM

Perhaps I should clarify my last post, age discrimination laws applies to those 40 and older. (Only for those who did not know that.)

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 11:11 AM

justforfun, That could be an debate one could make? However, one might be able to debate that he is one of the representatives on the school board, because he is.

I hope it was a misquote, then there should be NO negative consequences for the school district.

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 11:16 AM

melange

Are you talking of Rush Limbaugh? If so, why not say his name in your post. He is not a boogey-man that will come and get you. LOL

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 11:17 AM

Babe, Excuse me...NOT my post!

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 11:19 AM

melange, sorry, I mixed up the liberals as to who posted what.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 11:24 AM

melange

If 40 is the magic number - then I doubt there will be a problem. I think there will be very few applicants younger than that - don't you? Not saying there aren't any, but I know of no superintendent younger than 40.

-- Posted by justforfun on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 11:26 AM

babe, In this forum, I've been called conservative, liberal, neo-whatever etc etc etc LMAO

Your posts remind me of a fly that sneaks in my house. I am getting tired of using my factual fly swatter to squash your comments. I will be ignoring your future post all together.

See what you made me go and do, I just lower myself to your level of exchange. Shame on me! I enjoy exchanging interesting conversations and view points that offer different perspectives. I do not enjoy engaging in hostile behaviors, they are not productive. I prefer to direct my energies toward learning from those who have something of value to offer. Have a nice day, week, holiday season and life! I truly do mean that.

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 11:44 AM

justforfun, Regarding the school district, I'm hoping for the best! I feel bad for this school board member, his intentions were not ill, I am sure. (I am pretty sure your last idea will not protect the district. If a 55, 58, 60 or 62 year old is turned down, they could easily file a age discrimination complaint and lawsuit. Just my take on the situation...I sure hope I am wrong!!!)

SADLY, I see ONE way out of this for the School Board and School District, again assuming this was NOT a misquote. The member could resign.

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 11:56 AM

I don't see this as becoming a problem - guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Funny - I had decided not to respond to babe's "stuff" as well.

-- Posted by justforfun on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 12:00 PM

justforfun, Hey thanks for the interesting conversation. Speaking of learning, I have an Math assignment to work on! See you all later!

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 12:06 PM

Mel

Mel you totally forgot Neocon Zionist.....Your starting to get spoiled, I can tell. That used to be my favorite.

-- Posted by Donnie on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 12:12 PM

hilleco, You talk'n to me! ~rolling on the floor~

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 12:16 PM

Donnie, OMG...That dang short-term memory issue is acting up again!

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 12:17 PM

Ethanol as an industry is anything but green. If it is such a green industry then why did Blunt, along with 30 other governors and senators push the EPA to raise the VOC output by 2 1/2 times. Thats right, they used to be required to get a major emmitter permit at 100 tons/year. Now thanks to your governor, who has a very real conflict of interest, they can now put out 250 tons/year without triggering a major emmitter permit. The real joke this year is on the farmer. All of the speculation of $8/bushell corn, most planted corn (20% of AR's cotton crop was planted in corn this year) With the drought we experienced, heavy irrigation was required taking more out of the bottom line. You know who is making money now? The farmers that planted beans are getting close to $10/bushell. This industry is spun out to be green but is far from it. If it is such a great industry, why does it need huge subsidies and forced market by the legislation? I guess you'll still be singing it's praises when you pay the equivalent of $4.00/gallon, and you probably still have a W sticker on the back of your SUV.

-- Posted by The Central Scrutinizer on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 12:38 PM

Lord love a duck...melange and justforfun consider me a fly to be swatted. Well, I welcome their ban, actually, and hope they will refrain from posting their opinions on any subject I introduce in this forum.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 12:40 PM

I hurt my right arm and can barely move it, I have a sick daughter, I have a million and one things to do before cooking a massive Thanksgiving dinner for a house full of guests, and when I take a break and get on here to find out what's going on, I find out that since I am over 40 I am considered old enough to be included in an age discrimination case! I'm "elderly" now??? Thanks for the info!

:(

-- Posted by thinks2much on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 1:13 PM

Lessons of the Past

What worked when I was in school in the 60's and 70's was that we were taught reading, writing, and arithmetic. If you couldn't master those subjects at grade level, you got held back the next year. The schools also had 3 classes for each grade, one for the dumb kids, one for the middle of the road kids, and one for the smart kids. That way each level of students could be taught at the level that they could most comprehend and understand. Disipline was also enforced with a leather strap/wooden paddle. Unruly kids were not allowed to disrupt class as they pleased. When kids failed to learn, parents put the blame on the kid, not the teacher.

In today's public school systems, we don't have the time to devote to teaching the 3 R's because we have to teach a bunch of PC crap like Diversity Studies, Moral Relativism 101, Advanced Condom Application, How to Squeal on Daddy Because He Owns a Gun, etc., etc. We can't separate the kids by learning ability because we don't want little Suzy's psyche to be damaged because she's in the dumb kid's class while her friends are in the smart class. So now the teacher can either dumb down the curriculum so that Suzy can keep up at the expense of the smart kids, or teach to the level of the smart kids leaving Suzy behind. When kids fail to learn, they are promoted to the next grade anyway so as, again, not to damage their little psyches. Our teachers live in fear of enforcing discipline in class for fear of lawsuits or Mommy accusing them of picking on their perfect little angel.

Want your kids to learn so as to be able to compete in today's world? Then it's time we demand that this PC crap be abolished and go back to teaching the the basics, time to enforce discipline and tell the lawyers to take a flying leap. Time to abolish the Federal Education Dept. and give control back to the local districts where it belongs.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 1:16 PM

As for the tough sentencing, I think that it is sad that a kid would shoot another kid, but since he made that bad choice he will have to live with the consequences. Also, I am really sick to death of everyday reading about someone in this area sexually molesting a child. It seems that sort of thing is going on all the time! I am all for tough judges! It is time for these sickos to know that they are going to really be punished for their crimes. A slap on the wrist is not a deterrent and just puts other people in danger.

-- Posted by thinks2much on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 1:18 PM

And what's up with this craziness with Habitat for Humanity? I still think that it is a great organization, but it seems to have gotten off to a bad start in Cape. You've probably heard that "an organization is only as good as it's leadership." Maybe that is the case locally.

-- Posted by thinks2much on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 1:24 PM

thinks2much

oh my goodness gracious, you must remember that is the government talking and not the real world. My thoughts are with you as you try to pull this off, dear. But, if you don't with a hurt arm and an ill daughter, I suspect that your family loves you and will help. Heck, tell them all to bring the Thanksgiving dinner? LOL

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 1:26 PM

Hmmm, Bill Burlison... I didn't even realize he was still kicking! I remember an old campaign fan with his picture on it from back in the 60's when I was growing up and all the mom's carried those old fans to church! ;)

-- Posted by thinks2much on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 1:28 PM

babe,

I am considering calling in an order to Honeybaked Ham and letting them do the work! It sure sounds like something to contemplate. It might be too late for that though. Cracker Barrel will be open though. If I were rich, I would take everyone out for dinner! That is just dreaming though.

-- Posted by thinks2much on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 1:32 PM

thinks2much

Yes, it's probably too late for a full dinner order. Why don't you just shove some Paula Deen's cornish hens in the oven and ask everyone to bring side dishes. I did that one year when I broke my foot.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 1:41 PM

I might have to do that. I bought a nearly 20 pound turkey and didn't get it out of the freezer until today. (right before I hurt my arm) If it thaws in time, I will be lucky. I remember it taking the turkey about 4 days to thaw before! That is in the fridge. I guess I can do it in the sink, but that is just in the way.

-- Posted by thinks2much on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 1:46 PM

How old is Bill Burlison anyway?

-- Posted by thinks2much on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 1:47 PM

librule: "Time to abolish the Federal Education Dept. and give control back to the local districts where it belongs."

This was suggested years ago...What the heck was the Department of Education's director's name (It's hell to get old & your Hard Drive isn't partitioned well enough to pull out a particular file...LOL)? When he resigned, he stated that the Department should be abolished. Of course, we all know that once a government department, always a government department.

You made many good points in your comments. When a growing number of kids going into higher education have to take basic English and Math classes, something definitely is wrong! That fact alone suggests that somehow, students are being passed along who have not actually learned the subjects. I have grandchildren in high school, on the Honor Roll, who cannot write a complete, grammatically-correct paragraph, or work out a math problem involving percentages! BUT they know a lot of junk stuff that is irrelevant in terms of future careers, etc. It amazed me to see the freshmen curriculum offered at our high school--more fluff courses than there are serious subjects.

We have leaned toward educating the possibly un-educable at the expense of students who are perhaps more intelligent, and/or more serious about being educated. These latter are the ones being "Left Behind."

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 1:48 PM

thinks2much

You can always tell your guests what my wife tells me when I'm hungry, "You're not crippled, get off your lazy butt and cook it yourself" LOL

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 1:49 PM

buckmaster

It sounds like you are the one heavily invested. Ethenol can be made out of cabbage or grass etc. My guess is that you grow corn.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 1:49 PM

I agree, gurusmom! I am amazed at some of the fluff classes that are offered in schools these days.

-- Posted by thinks2much on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 1:56 PM

Liked the Hillary Memory Speak Out. Maybe she and I do have something in common after all? YIKES!

Was wondering if her run for president is actually legal, since she already has had two terms in that office...Where did I put that quote, where she commented to someone, "WE are the president!"? Fallin' Outta My Chair Laughing...

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 1:56 PM

thinks2much, Few ideas that might help out...I think Sunday's paper had some tips on Thanksgiving dinner. Maybe you could borrow some ideas from the article. Mrs. Smith has some pretty darn good pies, that might save some time and energy. Mom cooks our turkey in a table top roaster, put it on, forget it, and meat is very moist. Someone has one on sale for $23 this week, but it might not handle a 20 lb bird. I agree with soliciting help! Best of wishes to you, your child and holiday dinner!

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 1:56 PM

librule, I like your wife (and I've never met her)!

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 1:57 PM

BILL BENNETT! Former Director of Education. See? I KNEW it was in my brain's hard drive somewhere! ~blush~

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 1:58 PM

gurusmom

I agree with every thing you said except the uneducatable remark. Hey, my plumber is skilled but not as academically degreed as a rocket scientist. But, my plumber probably makes more money than the rocket scientist.

I think chilren should be evalutated, if it must be done, and steered toward a goal that is consistant with their abilities and not be made ashamed.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 1:59 PM

Well librule, that would be one way to make sure this is the last time everyone comes to my house for Thanksgiving Dinner! LOL (not saying that it is out of the question) I still would like to be the one that goes "to" someone else's house for dinner some Thanksgiving. Dream, dream, dream. They have it too good here! Excuse me, it is about time for me to go lie back down in front of the door in my usual spot as doormat!

-- Posted by thinks2much on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 2:00 PM

What a fabu idea. In order for our schools to compete with the rest of the worls advancement, we need to go back 30 years. Give me a break.

-- Posted by allen6177 on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 2:00 PM

Wonder where they have the $23 roaster, melange? I always wanted one of those! I have decided I might take a few shortcuts and not tell a soul.

-- Posted by thinks2much on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 2:06 PM

The problem is allen, we aren't competing so great right now! I think we were leading the pack 30 years ago. Some of the old methods of teaching must have worked.

-- Posted by thinks2much on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 2:08 PM

allen6177

Yea, that would be terrible to go back to a system that made our children the most educated kids of any nation. Better to stick with the current system that has them at the bottom of the heap in every relevant subject.

P.S. worlds is spelled W-O-R-L-D-S. Had some of that current education huh? LOL

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 2:11 PM

Wow, thanks, conservababe...for somewhat agreeing. No offense intended, but I just KNEW you'd find something to disagree with in my comment, though. ~huge grin~

What I said was "We have leaned toward educating the possibly un-educable...", having inserted the word "possibly" to hopefully cover students who cannot learn, do not want to learn, etc. I do keep TRYING to practice a modicum of PC, even though my basic instincts rebel against it!

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 2:12 PM

thinks2much

Alright, tis time. Get up from the doorway, staighten your backbone, lift your chin and head for the phone. Call everyone invited to your home for Thanksgiving dinner and tell them what to bring. And be sure one brings a nice highball drink for you. There are no rewards from being a doormat, really.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 2:13 PM

Without a better grasp of math, science and language, we are falling more behind all the time! It isn't just the schools that are the problem though. There isn't a work ethic so much anymore. Young people, not the elderly like me ;) have more of a fun,fun,fun, egocentric lifestyle now that is a big part of the problem. Why study and work hard when there is fun to be had and parties to attend, video games to be played, etc... Baby Boomer parents who wanted to give their children everything that they wanted are major contributers to the problem.

-- Posted by thinks2much on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 2:15 PM

thinks2much, I'm pretty sure it was Target (just tried to double check, but their website is behaving badly). I think it was a 16 qt. $23 is a great deal, the lowest I had ever seen them was $30.

Mum is the word. We will keep your secret!

Another thought or two, you could use canned yams for the sweet potatoes, that will save a little work too (most will never know). Solicit others to peel the 50 lbs of potatoes! ;)

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 2:16 PM

Sorry for such a horrible error. I should be banned from this forum for leaving out a D. Thanks for educating my poor ignorant soul. I understand that everyone disagrees with the teachers with some things. Maybe the parents should take a more proactive role in their child's education rather than sending them to school to be raised. I am not surprised that someone from Southeast "Missurah" would think that all a child needs to know is how to add, subtract and shoot a shotgun. But then again, that is all you really need to know to fit in around here.

-- Posted by allen6177 on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 2:21 PM

Thanks for the pep-talk babe! I am really going to delegate a little bit. At least that is how I am feeling right now. I am woman, hear me roar. I can do anything! I am strong, I am invincible! Nooooo,not really. I need help. I will just ask and say please. :)

P.S. Does that mean I am vincible then??? :0

-- Posted by thinks2much on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 2:22 PM

thinks2much: I did that for umpteen years... However, maybe you're a little like I was in that you actually enjoy doing the dinners...just that at some point in time, it begins to be an obligation rather than a pleasure?

Wish you could just come on over to my house...just bring the frozen rolls! ~grin~ Making my world-famous cranberry relish (not that icky jellied stuff) but bought a pie and a pumpkin cake, and boxed cornbread dressing to go with the turkey breast.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 2:23 PM

allen

Are you, perchance, a damyankee?

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 2:24 PM

Thanks melange. I heard they were having a 4 day Pre-Black Friday sale. Have you guys checked out the Black Friday website that posts the ads online now? It is pretty cool!

-- Posted by thinks2much on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 2:24 PM

Thinks2much--God bless your heart! I feel your pain! When my first child got married, I had the great idea of having T-giving at our house and having her new in-laws down from St. Louis so we wouldn't have to "share" the kids. Guess what--it's seven years later, we've gained four people, and it's STILL at my house! My daughter helps and my husband fries the turkey so it isn't TOO bad. Use paper plates, napkins, cups--the whole works. The table will look good and you can throw it all away afterward. Last year I even baked in disposable pans--it was great! When I went back to work after having our kids I learned to use convenience foods, too, so I didn't spend all my time "prep cooking". Nobody knew the difference and it saved me so much time. If all else fails come to my house--I can always make room for more!

-- Posted by Maxine_the_Magnificent on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 2:31 PM

You know exactly where I am coming from, gurusmom. You know the deal: secret recipes passed down through the ages to only "the one" chosen before time began to be the official family holiday hostess and cook. It is such a big honor yet soooo much work and right now I am just too stressed out. And wouldn't you know it, my vacuum cleaner even broke and I had to run out and buy another one. That kind of stuff just stresses me! I wish I could come to your house, too. I will be fine. I need to go get a Mocha cappuccino and calm down maybe. Why can't Starbucks deliver?

-- Posted by thinks2much on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 2:32 PM

My grandmother died and "the Mantel of the Holiday Chef" fell upon my mother. My mother died and it fell upon me. I am kind of afraid to say I don't want to do it anymore. I might be considered elderly at 45 by some, but I want to live!!!!

BTW, Thanks for the words of encouragement Mary!

-- Posted by thinks2much on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 2:36 PM

allen6177: Look at statistics...look at where we were in the world in education 20-30 years and more ago, and where we are now. Our educational decline has many factors. Parental involvement is a major one, which of course we (our government) have no control over. Education in our schools HAS declined, and there is no denying that fact.

What worked before might not work now, but certainly it could not hurt to try it. Less government control, less fluff classes, less tolerance of disruptive students...

BTW: I pronounce our state just as it is spelled (learned how to sound out words in grade school 50+ years ago ~grin~): MISSOURI. When have you ever seen an I pronounced as an A, hmm?

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 2:39 PM

Plus, I don't think my daughter is quite ready to receive "The Mantel" for quite a few more years and trust me when I say that there are some in the family that just aren't qualified. It was decided before time began. I know it was!

-- Posted by thinks2much on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 2:39 PM

Well, I have enjoyed talking to you guys, but I hear dirty laundry and that new vacuum cleaner both calling my name. Actually it sounds more like they are laughing at me, but either way they must be dealt with! Maybe I will have time to get back on here and catch up with all of you again later!

-- Posted by thinks2much on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 2:43 PM

I'm one of those crazy "Martha Stewart" types that would love to have the responsibility of Thanksgiving & Christmas dinner (and all the stress that goes with them). My mom won't let go of it! Guess it is in the genes.

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 2:45 PM

Gurusmom,

Now don't faint and fall out of your chair when I say this...but I totally agree with your post to me. Things are much different, but I agree there needs to be less fluff and more actual studies. I guess it depends on what you see as fluff. As far as the "Missurah" remark, it is frequently spoken that way by politicians camapaigning it this area, as opposed to other parts of the state. It is kinda funny. Missurah I suppose is part of a southern drawl some have. I say Missouri as it is spelled as well. =)

-- Posted by allen6177 on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 2:46 PM

thinks2much: Guess I got roped into the holiday thing by accident, since my mother did not cook...well, nothing much edible, anyway (Sorry, Mama!). The only way I finally got out of the 30-36 people dinners was...we moved to another state! LOL Once we did that, the oddest thing happened--no family holiday dinners! That was so sad. So, hope you have someone to pass your "heritage" on down the line to (improper English, I know!).

Buy Hills Bros. Cappuccino (I like the English Toffee, and the Chocolate Mint when I can find it)...not Starbuck's, but pretty good when you need a cappuccino and don't want to get out. Especially good if you lace it with a little 1/2 n 1/2 or even heavy cream.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 2:53 PM

Before I get off of here, I just want to leave the website for the Black Friday ads for anyone that might be interested in planning your after Thanksgiving shopping spree! www.bfads.net

-- Posted by thinks2much on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 2:55 PM

Gurusmom, I think I am going to go in the kitchen and concoct something out of what I have on hand, a little coffee, a little chocolate, a little cream. I will make do. I will remember Hills Bros for next time. Thanks.

-- Posted by thinks2much on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 2:58 PM

allen: "Now don't faint and fall out of your chair when I say this..."

Falling out of my chair laughing!

I know--the first time I heard "missourah" was decades ago, from a politician who moved here to run for office (without first becoming a resident, but he managed to get that resolved, although after the fact). I couldn't believe he pronounced the state like that, and at the time, it inspired a great stupid debate about how to pronounce Missouri.

My granddaughter going into Freshman classes last year had Algebra and English. No History or Geography lessons offered, no Literature, no Civics (or whatever they now call learning about our government), no Foreign Language, no Economics, etc. Two basic courses, and all the others

were...fluff. Wish I had kept a list of them, but then again, I keep too darned much stuff! ~blush~

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 3:07 PM

Absolutely no way I'd go out on Black Friday! Does that make me un-American? LOL

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 3:09 PM

"Absolutely no way I'd go out on Black Friday! Does that make me un-American? LOL

No, that makes you a smart person! =)

-- Posted by allen6177 on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 3:12 PM

NEW News-Cape superintendent Scala placed on administrative leave

http://www.semissourian.com/story/129216...

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 3:28 PM

I don't believe that children should be forced into future occupations through a mandated test. As you grow and experience throughout your life, your interests and talents change and develop. Instead, I believe they should be encouraged to develop interests other than being plugged into a video game or sitting in front of the television. They should be encouraged to participate...in things that are educational and things that are extracurricular--as that helps you see where you true interests lie.

I have seen communist countries who embrace "occupational testing" for children. It's not a system I agree with or believe in.

How many highly talented but poorly tested individuals would we have serving as menial laborers who would have become doctors, lawyers, scientists, authors, etc of their own accord?

-- Posted by SuperBethie21 on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 3:50 PM

Mitch Rapp: "Quit your ******** and start baking pies or something." Oh man, let's not start that crap again! SOME of us, even though we like to bake don't take kindly to be told to do it!

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 3:51 PM

melange

I like chocolate pies with lots of maranque. I'll take 2 if you've got the time. LOL

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 3:55 PM

librule, How were the cookies? LMAO

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 4:10 PM

melange

Never got one. Granddaughter wolfed them all down. Must of been delicious.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 4:17 PM

Sorry Babe, that was my post that you attributed to Melange. And I didn't use his name because I didn't want to start the whole Rush is Devil/God issue. It wasn't required for what I had to ask you. You were smart enough to figure out whom I was speaking of.

On a different issue, found this quote today...

"In an excerpt from his forthcoming book, McClellan recount the 2003 news conference in which he told reporters that aides Karl Rove and I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby were "not involved" in the leak involving operative Valerie Plame.

"There was one problem. It was not true," McClellan writes, according to a brief excerpt released Monday. "I had unknowingly passed along false information. And five of the highest-ranking officials in the administration were involved in my doing so: Rove, Libby, the vice president, the president's chief of staff and the president himself.""

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 4:49 PM

Hillary's Memory: I hardly think Hillary is the only politican with amnesia. It's seems everyone in this current administration has been stricken with this malady. Get real!

-- Posted by iago on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 5:08 PM

What do you think about this?

In an excerpt from his forthcoming book, McClellan recounts the 2003 news conference in which he told reporters that aides Karl Rove and I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby were "not involved" in the leak involving operative Valerie Plame.

"There was one problem. It was not true," McClellan writes, according to a brief excerpt released Tuesday. "I had unknowingly passed along false information. And five of the highest-ranking officials in the administration were involved in my doing so: Rove, Libby, the vice president, the president's chief of staff and the president himself."

-- Posted by justforfun on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 5:25 PM

Justforfun,

Thought I just posted that. LOL

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 5:26 PM

PUPSLOVER, Thinks justforfun wants you thoughts on it.

Just heard GOOD news on embryonic stem cell research! NO more controversy!

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 5:30 PM

Scientific advancement-discovery of the ability to create stem cells from skin cells. Wow! This is good stuff.

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 5:32 PM

Valerie Plame's own husband outed her and she wasn't even covert operations at the time. Such a tempest in a teapot.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 5:35 PM

You did pupslover - I got sidetracked and somehow missed your post. But melange is correct, I'm wondering what everybody is thinking about this new information.

-- Posted by justforfun on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 5:35 PM

Did you hear the wind blowing?

-- Posted by justforfun on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 5:36 PM

Well I just find it interesting. I thought former advisors usually wait until after the Administration (requardless of party) was out of office before publishing controversial books/statements. Looking forward to how the Clinton lied/ Bush lied factions will play this one out.

Will have to look into the Stem cell issue and get back to you.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 5:37 PM

Hillary's "I don't remember" were really "I don't recall". Transcripts of her testimony reveal she used this lawyer lingo multiple times to avoid perjury.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 5:38 PM

Is McClellan now telling the truth, or does he have and ax to grind? I honestly don't know, therefore, all I know at this point is "he said, she said"

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 5:41 PM

"I had unknowingly passed along false information. And five of the highest-ranking officials in the administration were involved in my doing so: Rove, Libby, the vice president, the president's chief of staff and the president himself."

THEY WERE INVOLVED in passing along false information. That's the group that ran on high morals and ethics!

-- Posted by justforfun on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 5:42 PM

Babe, how would you explain away the following from the same advisor?

"Since that news conference, however, the official White House stance has shifted and it has been difficult to get a clear picture of what happened behind closed doors around the time of the leak.

McClellan's flat denials gave way to a steady drumbeat of "no comment." And Bush's original pledge to fire anyone involved in the leak became a promise to fire anyone who "committed a crime."

Bush most recently addressed the issue in July after commuting Libby's 30-month prison term. He acknowledged that some in the White House were involved in the leak."

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 5:43 PM

Librule,

Will have to agree with you on that. Will have to see how it all plays out. Don't know that reasons he resigned his post or if he was "asked" to resign. More info on the topic would probably serve me well.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 5:46 PM

Melange,

I for one would be extremely happy if the research works out the way it appears it might. Would definately easy the whole stem cell debate. Unfortunately, from what I have see so far, they may be years away from when skin cells would replace embryonic cells. But, any step forward at this point is hope for the future.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 5:53 PM

The stem-cell news is wonderful - maybe help is on the way for a lot of our folks. Nancy Reagan gave a boost to stem-cell research when she came out in support - bet she is happy today.

-- Posted by justforfun on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 5:55 PM

I'll just stick with what Bob Novak said. He broke the story and later admitted that Mr Plames husband broke the story that he was the husband of a covert (lie) agent. Mr Plames husband had just gotten a new job trying to find white in some country and no one could figure out how he got it.

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 5:57 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/2...

U.S. Helicopter crash in Salmon Pak, Iraq, 2 soldiers died and 12 injuried. This is one of the villages my brother's company works in. All prayers and good thoughts are appreciated.

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 6:03 PM

melange - thinking of you and yours.

-- Posted by justforfun on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 6:07 PM

Melange,

You are in my thoughts and prayers that your brother is safe.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 6:25 PM

MITCH RAPP? Hmmm...almost sounds familiar...

"If you'd put half as much energy into losing weight, saving money or learning a new language as you do cry babying on Speak Out, you'd see that there's more to life than ******** on some **** gripe column!"

And you, Mr. Rapp? What's your excuse for being here on Speak Out? ;) Not that you're "cry babying," just that you're wasting time ranting instead of...whatever it is that might be more important to you.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 6:38 PM

melange...Hoping the news of your brother is good! Went through pretty much the same when my brother was in Nam...HUGS!

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 6:46 PM

This is soooo simple, Mitch Rapp...Read Speak Outs, make comments on them, and stop reading the other comments! Sounds like an answer to what is bothering you today.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 6:49 PM

conservababe: Hillary also had memory problems about Whitewater.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 6:52 PM

Mitch Rapp, No worries...it is an inside joke!

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 6:56 PM

Thank you ALL for the well wishes, unfortuately the soldiers will be under black out-no communication, until family members are notified. It will be at least 24 hours before we hear any good news. So let us hope, NO news for 24 hours!

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 7:03 PM

Babe,

I will go with what President Bush said, "He acknowledged that some in the White House were involved in the leak."

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 7:18 PM

hilleco

The reason I call it a tempest in a teapot is because Valerie was not a covert agent at the time. She had a desk job and her neighbors, friends and family knew she worked for the CIA. In fact, her husband used to introduce her proudly at social functions as "his little CIA spy".

-- Posted by conservababe on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 7:49 PM

Hilleco, "I'm sure that those who let out Plames identity were not aware of what problems might arise."

Do you really think they did not know? Hmmm, I'm not very political or that smart, but I think I could have figured out some of the consequences.

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 7:51 PM

melange

you are a nut. Send the cops!!!

-- Posted by Solelicious on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 8:00 PM

Cape4life,

Concidering the source, I guess that would make you the nut.

-- Posted by Pups on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 8:18 PM

Mel

We will be praying and thinging of you and yours.

All

I was wondering also if you guys wanted to move the Friday lunch up to Wednesday since the holiday weekend os upon us? Just a thought.

-- Posted by Donnie on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 8:39 PM

Cape4Life, What? I must have missed something?

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 10:08 PM

has anyone seen CNN's latest ploy?

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2007/11...

-- Posted by Solelicious on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 10:13 PM

Cape4Life, Why did you call me a nut?

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 10:24 PM

melange

In your assertion that Mr Reinagel broke the law. That was a ridiculous comment

-- Posted by Solelicious on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 10:25 PM

Cape4Life, Did you read my correction?

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 10:26 PM

"it broke the law"

Correction, it would imply the INTENT to break the law.

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 10:27 PM

If my memory serves, you are a teacher? At Cape? Am I correct?

I would think you aware of discrimination laws. My concern, if he was NOT misquoted, his comment set the school district up for lawsuit(s) while attempting to hire a replacement. I'm not the only one with this concern. AND it is NOT the first time the district has had concerns about discrimination laws/EEOC, in recent years.

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 10:32 PM

City hall parking,

Can't you mail your bill? It's worked for me for ummmm YEARS!!! Don't know if Jackson has gotten past the Pony Express as of yet.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 10:39 PM

melange,

Chin up.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 10:44 PM

fajar154 & Donnie, Thank you kindly!

Donnie, Pupslover and Librule both have to work Friday, so we were planning to do lunch then. Please come if you can, we missed you last week.

ALL are welcome, Grecian Steakhouse, Noon.

-- Posted by coke zero on Tue, Nov 20, 2007, at 10:56 PM

City Hall Parking:

If you're just paying your electric bill, then go through the drive-thru!!! You wouldn't need a parking spot then!

-- Posted by monochromatic on Wed, Nov 21, 2007, at 8:27 AM


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