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Speak Out 11/18/07

Sunday, November 18, 2007

Too much running

MY GRANDDAUGHTER played three soccer games in one day. That's almost four hours of running. I believe this is way too much for a 13-year-old body. Why can't the organizers schedule the games better?

Special favors

I DON'T know about you but I am sick of the sentencing delays involving Nathan Cooper. If you or I did something like he did, we would be in prison by now. I guess politicians get special favors.

Rampart Street

I'M CALLING in regard to all the publicity that has been given to the drug house on Rampart Street. It is nice now to see people back walking at night and in the morning. There for a while, when the drug house was its worst, people were scared to walk because of being hit by a car coming from the drug house or being harassed. Now we understand the man who owns the house is coming back. Please do not let him out with a slap on the wrist. It has been so nice and peaceful and quiet.

People or fish?

AS I was reading that FEMA denied aquarium funding for fish in New Orleans, it struck me funny. I can't believe we're worried about restocking an aquarium in New Orleans when there are still people living without proper housing. I don't understand this.

Praise for 211

REGARDING United Way's 211 and First Call for Help numbers: I want to congratulate the United Way director and board for participating in this way to provide service to people. Having served on the United Way board in Alton, Ill., for about 15 years back in the 1960s and 1970s, we never thought of this because the technology was not there. Now it's available, and I want to congratulate the United Way for providing it.

We're not mushrooms

CAN OUR U.S. officials answer these questions: Why does the United States depend on Mideast oil from countries that want to do us harm? We are funding the little dictator that could for his nuclear experiments that he will test on us eventually. And who thinks we're stupid enough to believe we experience gas price fluctuations because of shortages, or a cold winter prediction, or low refining capacity? We're not all mushrooms kept in the dark and fed manure.

Leaves in the street

IT'S TIME once again for my old pet peeve of the fall season. The city is kind enough to pick up leaves for us when we rake them to the curb. But the key word here is "curb." Every year the city asks that the leaves not be raked into the street, and every year some rake their leaves right into the street where they can obstruct parking or stop up storm drains after a rain. I wish the city would drive by the leaves of those who cannot follow simple instructions.

Both are good boys

THERE HAVE been a lot of comments about Jake and Chris. Both of these boys are good boys, and Chris will have to deal with Jake's death for the rest of his life. Please keep both boys in your prayers. Jake's parents are hurting, and so are Chris' parents. I will miss Jake. He was a good person.

Big-government spending

GARY RUST wrote that the possibly ghost-inhabited new federal courthouse is a classic example of government inefficiency. True, but for the record, big-government Republicans were just as guilty as Democrats in seeking federal pork so as to benefit Cape Girardeau.

Leaf schedules

LET ME see if I understand this: Let's schedule, once again, the city's leaf pickup program before the majority of the leaves have fallen. If one looks at the map provided, it would appear the areas with pickups scheduled later in the program may be those where there is a lot of new construction and not a lot of mature trees.

Reusing the wash water

REGARDING THE water shortages in Atlanta and elsewhere: Remember the days around 1953 or 1954 when there was a drought in the Midwest? The flowers and gardens survived because women used the water from their wringer washers and rinse tubs to water the growing things important to them. Every load of laundry we now do today involves throwing gallons of water away. That's progress, but I wish I could find another wringer washer. Mine quit about five years ago.


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Reusing the wash water, Why the need to water your flower gardens at all? I choose to plant flower seeds that have grown naturally in our area for hundreds of years. I have not watered for three years. If some died this year, I will plant new seed next spring. BTW, I have no grass, my small yard is all flowers, sprinkled with ornamental grasses.

Praise for 211, I am so impressed with all the great things United Way, Volunteer Intergenerational Center (VIC), the Retired Senior Volunteer Program (RSVP) and First Call for Help are doing in Southeast Missouri! BRAVO!

Too much running, I pondered the same thing when my niece competed in gymnastics, they met several times a week for practice. Saturday practice was an intense 4 hours. After I thought about it, I don't think 4 hours of exercise one day a week will hurt children. I would get concerned if it was happening 6 or 7 days a week. So many are not exercising at all, good for the parents and kids who enjoy and encourage it.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 2:26 AM

Better to play 3 soccer games and get exercise than to sit in front of a video game all day and get fat.

-- Posted by foreman on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 4:21 AM

It cracks me up when some people get so worked up about leaves.

-- Posted by SWBG on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 7:44 AM

Mr Cooper shouldnt be punished, he was only trying to help 'W' get illegals across the border. Thats innovative thinking and should be rewarded with a pardon.

-- Posted by changedname on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 8:34 AM

Too much running: Three games in a day is too much but sometimes it happens. Have you played back to back games yet? How about when the tournaments home team's first game is your second. There is also a letter about bad sportsmanship in the paper today. All of these things will happen but if you and your child love the game it's all worth it.

-- Posted by stevmo on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 9:06 AM

Only a liberal Bush hater could link Nathan Cooper's illegal activities with Bush. Pathetic. You left wing folks need to get a life. Quit allowing everything in your lives to revolve around your hatred.

-- Posted by workin' them angels on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 9:53 AM

melange

Well bless your heart. How do you feel of the United Way denying funding to the Boy Scouts because they won't allow the gay agenda into their organization?

-- Posted by conservababe on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 10:15 AM

I'm Excited that the Boy Scouts have their opinion towards allowing gays into the organization. It shouldn't be condoned. Today's society overlook or just have no opinion towards homosexual. It is wrong and immoral. Read 1 Corinthians 6:9, in the New International Bible. Of course in the King James, the word homosexual isn't mentioned but it is how you want to interpret the verse.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 10:38 AM

I can almost hear the "you're an ignorant, homophobic bigot" crowd ramping up.

-- Posted by stevmo on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 10:56 AM

stev

Was your mother a famous writer, perchance?

-- Posted by conservababe on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 11:02 AM

conservababe, No, but my cousin got his name in the paper once.

-- Posted by stevmo on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 11:20 AM

okay....giggle

-- Posted by conservababe on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 11:28 AM

So, where is everyone getting their real country ham or slices for the holidays since Esicars has closed?

-- Posted by conservababe on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 11:31 AM

Even with today's washers, you can re-use the water. All you need is a plastic trash can that doesn't leak (one with wheels makes it easier to move where you need it). Place that near your washer, and move the washer drain hose from where it is currently connected to the house drain over to the trash can. When the washer drains, it goes into the trash can and you can then re-use the water in your garden.

As for the leaves, if you aren't supposed to rake them into the street where they will stop up storm drains and block parking, what good would it do to bypass those houses and leave the leaves in the road when they could have been picked up? Wouldn't it make more sense to have a notice that the leaf collector could leave at the house explaining that it is not good to rake leaves into the street? Perhaps a fine for a second offense after the warning has been issued.

Running too much? Maybe for an overweight and out of shape adult, but as a kid I remember riding bikes, playing ball, and generally running around outside in the summer from sun up until sun down. As long as they have water and healthy snacks, the running isn't hurting them at all. If fact, it's doing a heck of a lot more FOR them.

Speaking of being outside, the sun is up, the temps are climbing...I ought to get out to the garage to see about getting some things done out there.

-- Posted by dixietrucker on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 11:36 AM

Holiday? I'll be working. Even if I wasn't working, all of the restaurants are usually closed for Thanksgiving. Since I can't cook, I'll just be eating frozen pizza....again.

-- Posted by dixietrucker on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 11:41 AM

Well, just drat! If you weren't working, I'd give you an invite, for sure. I've passed the torch to my daughter because of my physical limits now, but I'm bringing Cajun dirty rice dressing and a pumpkin trifle.

Yes, I know about working on holidays as an allied health care professional. The hospital would have the Thanksgiving or Christmas meal (if one can call turkey loaf a real meal) a week before and on the actual day we got beans and weenies. LOL

-- Posted by conservababe on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 12:22 PM

conservababe,

Speakout must have bored you today or do you just get your JOLLIES busting my gumballs? You are dredging up some really old news. Why I don't recall you stating your opinion on it either? Oh, while you are at it, if memory serves me, United Way withheld money more recently because of concern over the Boy Scouts inflating their racial numbers. So what are your positions?

I am AGAINST all types of discrimination! And, and I have the gumballs to say it!

Now, going back to MY original comment, I believe I stated I am so impressed will all the great things United Way...doing in SOUTHEAST Missouri!

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 12:30 PM

babe, Did you find a trifle dish? I looked downtown Friday at a few antique stores for you, no luck.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 12:32 PM

dixietrucker, One of the BEST thanksgiving dinners I ever had was at a truckstop, but that was about 20 years ago.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 12:40 PM

Aggie, Aggie, Aggie (I'm shaking my head in disbelief!)

WAKE-UP folks, we are nearing 2008, NOT 1806 or 1950!

Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, school districts, churches, 4-H groups, sports organizations etc, etc, etc, SHOULD be concerned about child molestation & child abuse NOT about homosexuality! (NO, I'm not a homosexual, but I do respect their rights!) STAY OUT of law abiding folks bedroom, including the President of the U.S. It is NOT our business!

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 1:12 PM

Tammy: First of all, thanks for the CTRL/F5 tip...No idea why the comments section quit showing up on my Speak Out columns. The tip you gave me earlier (go directly to the speak out site) worked a couple times, then not.

Second, thanks for the glassbooth address! Surprised the heck out of ME who I should vote for! Well, at least it wasn't Hillary. ~grin~ Of course, my mother's vote (she will vote Democrat regardless of issues, and vote female regardless of who it is) will cancel mine out, so to speak. Hey! I think I'll go back to glassbooth and see who she should vote for? And then I'll write and tell her (NO way I could tell her in a phone call! I'm not that brave.) LOL

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 1:15 PM

melange, Everyone makes decisions about others based on their character and behavior. Is it discrimination if you try and protect your kids from someone who doesn't share your moral or ethical standards? Tolerance is one thing, being forced to accept the homosexual agenda is another.

-- Posted by stevmo on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 1:51 PM

Re: Leaves -- I use a mulching mower - chews the leaves right up. Even for heavy coverages, the resulting leaf fines are typically gone in a few days, or after a good rain. Easier for me to run a mower around than to do all that raking.

Re: reusing wash water - great example of seeking out ways to conserve without going to the extremes of doing without. I suspect one would either just catch the rinse cycle dump, or would be confident that the diluted soaps and bleaches won't be detrimental. A bit more than I would be willing to do - easier to let the stuff dry up and die, sort of a twist on natural selection.

Re: mushrooms - if the U.S. weren't importing oil from the Middle East (even if just the select anti-American countries), where would it come from, and what would be the cost? Whenever there is a shortfall in supplying the demand, no matter what the reason, prices tend to rise. Supply excesses tend to drive prices down. To keep balance, if the choice is made to eliminate a supply source, then would need to reduce the demand proportionately.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 1:52 PM

I am very much against abusing a child and molestation of any kind. It's wrong and I don't see how some these people get by with it over and over again. It makes me sick.

As for homosexuality, everyone is entitled to the way they want to live, but I still feel that it is wrong, and I think that most of those who were brought up going to church feel the same way. Yes what people do in their own homes and bedrooms is private and it should be kept that way, whatever their preference may be.

I'm never said it was anybodies business what people do with their personal lives, but just because it's the year 2007 does not make it right.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 1:58 PM

fxpwt, "confident that the diluted soaps and bleaches won't be detrimental" Many home fungicide & pesticide recipes use both, detergents and bleach. So catching wash water is a great idea, for those willing to do the labor.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 2:06 PM

stev mo, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "homosexual agenda"?

"Is it discrimination if you try and protect your kids from someone who doesn't share your moral or ethical standards?" In my opinion, in many cases, YES it is.

Aggie, Have you ever considered, perhaps homosexuality is NOT a choice? Perhaps, homosexuals are born with this natural instinct, same as you and I were born with the instinct to be heterosexual. Turn the tables around, how would you feel if society forced their beliefs on you?

BTW, I was raised going to church and have attended services more than not. I do not always agree with the churches stance, just as I don't always agree with another's opinion. That does not mean I don't respect the church or another.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 2:20 PM

I have never cared for the United Way for years. Since most of their fundraising is done through employers and employees, they are heavy handed in their operations. These CEO's get up and pledge huge amounts of monies and then tell suborinates to lean on employees to get to the goal. In the late sixties I worked for a national chain department store. I was actually told that my job would be on the line if I did not contribute. In later years I was told by employers in a subtle way my refusal to contribute would effect my evaluation for raises. Since I have not been in the workplace for ten years, I don't know if that type of coercion exists anymore. I loathe a charity with that much power and a political agenda to boot. I give all my charitable monies to the Salvation Army solely. And don't even get me started on the Red Cross. LOL

-- Posted by conservababe on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 2:20 PM

melange - truckstops ain't what they used to be. The large corporate "travel centers" have bought up most of the excellent "mom & pop" trucker-friendly places, where a guy could go to get a decent meal. I try to spend as little time as possible at truckstops these days.

As for the Boy Scouts, the Supreme Court has already ruled on that:

-------from cnn.com--------------------------

Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist wrote in the majority opinion that Boy Scouts values are spelled out in the Scout Oath and Law, which require scouts to be "clean" and "morally straight."

"The Boy Scouts asserts that homosexual conduct is inconsistent with the values embodied in the Scout Oath and Law," he wrote. "Dale's presence in the Boy Scouts would, at the very least, force the organization to send a message, both to the youth members and the world, that the Boy Scouts accepts homosexual conduct as a legitimate form of behavior."

Though homosexuality is becoming more socially acceptable, "this is scarcely an argument for denying First Amendment protection to those who refuse to accept these views," he wrote. "The First Amendment protects expression, be it of the popular variety or not."

Agreeing with Rehnquist were Justices Sandra Day O'Connor, Antonin Scalia, Anthony Kennedy and Clarence Thomas.

--------------------------------------------

If you were wondering about the Scout Law and Oath;

The Scout Law:

On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law; To help other people at all times; To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight.

The Scout Oath:

A Scout is: Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean, and Reverent.

Basically, what the court decided was that the Boy Scouts are a PRIVATE organization (as opposed to public) and as such, they have every right to disallow membership to their organization of those individuals who do not meet their standards/values/morals....call it freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, etc. If you do not agree with the standards/values/morals that the Boy Scouts have established for the members of their organization, you do not have to join.

Private organizations, by their very nature of being private, have every right to control the standards of membership to fit their stated purpose. As for school districts, sports organizations, and other PUBLIC organizations, you are correct in asserting that there should be no discrimination in who is allowed to participate.

-- Posted by dixietrucker on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 2:21 PM

dixietrucker

Regarding your most recent post of Boy Scouts and homosexual issue....all I can say is....

TOUCHE'

-- Posted by conservababe on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 2:28 PM

Agree all the way about the Truckstops, they aren't very good anymore, the best ones are the little hole's in the wall or out of the way places, if you can find them. We have to stop at certain ones to fuel, but are getting to the point we don't eat at them. The food isn't very good and is definitely over priced, and some of them are just plain nasty.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 2:29 PM

dixietrucker, "Agreeing with Rehnquist were Justices Sandra Day O'Connor, Antonin Scalia, Anthony Kennedy and Clarence Thomas"

Shame on them!

"clean" and "morally straight." What the heck? So what these folks are saying, if you are homosexual, you are neither clean or morally straight? IDIOTS! Who the heck are we to judge?

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 2:30 PM

conservababe, So your opinion WAS? Where are your gumballs?

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 2:31 PM

melange

What is a "gumball", really? I have never heard the expression before but would guess that it is a sweet way of saying "balls" on a woman?

-- Posted by conservababe on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 2:34 PM

babe, I have my issues with "big charities" too, like the percent of contributions that are eaten up in administrative cost. However, I have to applaud when I see GOOD things happening, no matter who is doing it!

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 2:36 PM

conservababe, I am creative...I personally don't have any balls, so came up with gumballs. Cute?

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 2:38 PM

melange

So, you are saying that despite the fact that United Way misuses their powers, the end justifies the means if they do GOOD?

-- Posted by conservababe on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 2:39 PM

If you are refering to me as an idiot, back up!!Becouse I am only stating my beliefs. I'm not saying everyone is suppose to feel the same. It was wrong in the 1800s, 1900s and is still wrong today. Yes it is immoral, Hell yes it is immoral.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 2:39 PM

Aggie, NO, I was referring to the the supreme court's decision! However, I disagree that you feel it is immoral. (I don't usually call others names, unless they are making stupid landmark decisions for the nation.)

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 2:44 PM

Oh Lord help us, melange. You painted a visual image of you with your gumballs that I can do without, really.

-- Posted by conservababe on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 2:46 PM

babe, NO, that is NOT what I am saying! What I am saying is that no organization, company, individual (etc) is ALL good or ALL bad.

Sooooooo, many only see in just BLACK or WHITE, there are many, many shades of GRAY!

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 2:49 PM

Thats ok, I disagree you feel its moral.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 2:53 PM

melange

I mean this kindly, I really do. You must accept the fact that most people do not see in gray, but black and white. Gray indicates a mushy inner intellectual core.

-- Posted by conservababe on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 2:55 PM

Babe, OMG what do you have pictured? (PLEASE, do NOT answer that one!) I was thinking upper half of the torso. Sorry folks, did NOT mean to go there!

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 2:57 PM

Aggie, Seriously had you ever considered the born instinct concept before?

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 2:58 PM

babe, I obviously disagree, life is not black and white and it will never be. We are not perfect, but we am not all bad. Situations and organizations are the same, some good qualities and some bad. I suppose I subscribe to the thoughts that we should strive to learn from our mistakes, which results in growth and improvement.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 3:03 PM

Re: Boy Scouts - after reading the previous posts on this topic, I must be missing something here.

Consider taking the issue-at-hand out of the argument, for now.

Have an organization that distributes monies to other groups, if those groups meet the organization's certain criteria. The group in question does not meet the criteria, and that group is not willing to change so as to qualify.

The organization keeps their money, the group keeps its standards.

As long as the organization applies their criteria evenly across all groups and this criteria is not in violation of applicable laws - where's the problem?

As long as the group's standards also don't violate applicable laws - again, where's the problem?

I suggest we have a 'separation of church and state' type issue going here. If one doesn't agree with the way in which the laws are interpreted by courts, then get the laws changed so there can be no mis-interpretation by any party.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 3:05 PM

hilleco, Wow, have I not made that clear today? Yes I do feel it is wrong, but I also realize the topic of discrimination is subjective.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 3:08 PM

Why should I, Immoral is Immoral.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 3:09 PM

fxpwt, Very good points!

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 3:10 PM

aggie, What is your definition of immoral? Sorry, not trying to pick on you; I am trying to see where you are coming from.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 3:12 PM

Discrimination is not necessarily a negative word but the libs have made it so in their lexicon psycobabble jargon.

-- Posted by conservababe on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 3:16 PM

Hilleco,

I suppose when you put it that way I am guilty, but did I redeem myself when I got divorced? LOL

I never claimed to be perfect, and very sure I have displayed my ignorance many times.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 3:19 PM

No, they are not "morally straight". It could also be argued that husbands who cheat on their wives are not morally straight either....and the same could also be said of those who take home a different partner every weekend. They are no more "morally straight" than a drug abuser is "mentally awake".

Again, if a homosexual does not like the policies in place inside the Boy Scouts organization (based on the Oath and Law), and because he does not like the policies of the organization he does not wish to live according to the Scout Oath and Law, the organization has every right to exclude him from membership.

Personally, I make the choice not to join organizations who promote values I do not agree with. I also do not try to force those organizations to accept my individual values. For instance, as a gun owner, I would not join an organization whose stated mission is to lobby government to ban all private ownership of firearms.

Our freedoms do not cease to exist when someone is offended. The Right to free speech is just that...it is not the right to be heard, but the right to say what's on your mind. The Right to peaceably assemble allows you to gather with like minded individuals in a peaceable manner...it is not the right to force others to associate with you if your views differ from theirs.

If you don't like the values that a group stands for and teaches, don't join the group. The mission of the Boy Scouts of America is to prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices over their lifetimes by instilling in them the values of the Scout Oath and Law. If an adult leader does not share the values of the Scout Oath and Law, they cannot effectively instill those values in the youth in the organization. If an adult leader does not make ethical and moral choices in his own life, he is setting a bad example for the youth in the organization.

-- Posted by dixietrucker on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 3:19 PM

Dixietrucker, that pretty much hit's the nail on the head.

-- Posted by Twiggy60 on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 3:26 PM

dixietrucker, You have shared some good points. Thanks.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 3:39 PM

At least I know another trucker out there that has morals.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 3:52 PM

Melange, my definition of moral is exactly what it says in the dictonary.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 3:54 PM

I prefer "Freight Transportation Engineer", but that's a little long for a screen name.

;)

-- Posted by dixietrucker on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 3:56 PM

Freight Transportation Engineer (FTE) ~giggling~

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 4:07 PM

That is what makes life so dang interesting, two individuals can read the same words or look at the same picture and have completely different perceptions! (smiling)

Tummy is growling, time to figure out which locally owned establishment to patronize!

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 4:14 PM

Wouldn't life be dull if we all agreed with everything???

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 4:15 PM

melange,

Native wildflowers and ornamental grass! I will remember that next time one of the neighbors ***** about my dandilions and johnson grass!

-- Posted by Lumpy on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 4:59 PM

lumpy, Funny! I dig or spray both of those persistent plants, however I am sure some of my neighbors do not appreciate my creative landscaping! I despise mowing and I love flowers.

For those who want to bust my gumballs, (LOL) my creative yard falls well within the city ordinances. I read them, then called and checked my understanding before I planted. ~giggling~

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 5:46 PM

Hilleco, OMG...There I go discriminating again! LMAO

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 5:51 PM

Where I live, I can mow if I want to, or I can let it grow if I don't feel like mowing. I've got one strip where I just burn it...got some wildflowers planted there. I've thought about just paving the yard, because I really don't like mowing, but then I wouldn't get to have as much fun in my pickup after it rains. The way I figure, if you don't like the way it looks, MYODB and don't look at it.

-- Posted by dixietrucker on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 5:53 PM

FTE aka dixietrucker, Sounds like you can do as you please where you live, good for you! That's why some choose to live in the country. In a town/city, we need to respect the "rules", change the "rules" if we don't like them or move elsewhere.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 6:01 PM

melange, Homosexual agenda is to attain civil rights similar to a racial minority. Should my day care be forced to hire a cross dresser to watch my kids? How about a car dealership that needs a receptionist? These business's would be done for. Should grade school kids in public school be forced to read books promoting a homosexual lifestyle? No, it's not all black and white and I think the government needs to stay out of most peoples bedrooms but it also shouldn't impose an alternative lifestyle on a country that doesn't want it.

-- Posted by stevmo on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 6:09 PM

I'm going to repeat my question in the hopes that someone can answer. Since I was a young child I've always had salt-cured country ham in biscuits on my Christmas Eve buffet. I'm Irish so we celebrate and open presents from each other then. I used to get the ham from my farmer uncles in western Kentucky who cured their own. When they quit doing it, I found Esicars. I bought, soaked, baked and skinned a whole ham every year until they began offering ham slices for purchase.

Now, I am so sad that I might have to buy a pseudo country ham from Schnucks. Does anyone know someone who still cures hams or a good website that they have tried?

-- Posted by conservababe on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 6:10 PM

I've always voted on candidates based on issues, but this year I've been confused by the Republicans. By supporting Giuliani, are they saying they are more supportive of the war than they are against abortion and homosexuality?

-- Posted by justforfun on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 6:20 PM

conservababe - considered Harper's?

www.hamtastic.com

I think I've seen them available locally, but can't recall where.

Perhaps try some of the other meat shops in the area - Essner's down in the Benton/Oran area, Stonie's up by Perryville, etc.

A Google search yielded several mail order possibilities.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 6:22 PM

What about the meat market in Fruitland Dressmeats? 243-3107 I'm not sure about ham, but you can try them.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 6:23 PM

Babe, not sure where you live but check Wal-Mart. Our neighbor works in the meat dept. and I'm almost sure they have it

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 6:27 PM

stev mo, I guess that is where I view this topic differently than some. I view homosexuality NOT as a choice, but as genetic instincts. Thus to me, it is NO different than skin, hair or eye color. Obviously, many disagree, I respect everyone's right to have a different opinion.

I don't see anything wrong with teaching children it is okay to be themselves, and not to be afraid of accepting and respecting those who are different. "Should my day care be forced to hire a cross dresser to watch my kids? How about a car dealership that needs a receptionist? These business's would be done for." Do you really think so, I find that sad. BTW...I don't think all cross dressers are homosexuals, nor are all homosexuals cross dressers.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 6:41 PM

Justforfun - I'm as confused by the endorsement of Giuliani by some of the right wing religious types as you are. If you are willing to sell your moral values short to support someone who the media tells us is sure to be the inevitable winner because he is doing well in the early polls just so that you can say you supported a winner, don't be preaching to me about morals any more.

Personally, I like Huckabee...and it throws me for a loop why none of the religious types offering up endorsements of candidates picked him. The only thing I can figure is that he got off to a slow start, and the endorsements were handed out as he was still building momentum.

-- Posted by dixietrucker on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 6:45 PM

babe, Your discussion of ham reminded me of going to my roommate's grandma's Christmas morning for salty fried ham, gravy and biscuits, many, many moons ago. Please, let us know where you find it.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 6:55 PM

melange

Have you completely lost your mind? You portray homosexuals as benign people just as their lobby wants you to believe ala Will and Grace. If you lived in the real world instead of la la land, you would know that there is no more dangerous human being than a male homosexual on the prowl. Good grief, woman, I can't even take my grandchildren to the county parks here because of the cruising and restroom hookups. Now, if you want your young relatives to learn about fisting from one of these nice people then keep them the hell away from my mine.

-- Posted by conservababe on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 7:09 PM

It would be nice if SOME chose to consider respecting others and their veiwpoints, even when they disagree! (Shaking my head in disbelief, once again.)

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 7:17 PM

Hello, did my post not show up?? Babe ddid you read it?? Try Wal-Mart, I think they have what you are looking for.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 7:19 PM

dixie

The old time Christian Coalition is not a viable organization anylonger. Grassroots efforts are difficult to maintain and need a strong leader such as we had in Ralph Reed. We did our job when it was needed, though.

-- Posted by conservababe on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 7:19 PM

Aggiefan, yes, I got the post about Wal Mart hams. Thank you and everyone for your help. I will be making many phone calls tomorrow to find out what they have offer.

-- Posted by conservababe on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 7:26 PM

conservababe, "Have you completely lost your mind? You portray homosexuals..." Please revisit your post, HOW did YOU portray homosexuals? In my opinion, your post was full of fear and hatred! I hope you were just being a witch to me, and that you truly do not hold those beliefs close to your heart. If you do, I feel very sorry for you.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 7:40 PM

melange

I don't chew my fat twice.

-- Posted by conservababe on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 7:44 PM

http://www.semissourian.com/story/129165...

In case you missed it, there was a really interesting article on bi-polar disorder in today's paper.

-- Posted by coke zero on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 7:54 PM

Fruitland American Meat has good fresh beef and pork but for the good stuff I'd go to Stonie's in Perryville or Oberlie's in Ste.Gen.

-- Posted by stevmo on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 8:24 PM

melange - FUNNY and I don't chew my fat twice!!!! ; ) Think Babe got it?

-- Posted by justforfun on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 8:43 PM

dixietrucker

I like Huckabee too, but you might be correct - perhaps they think he can't win.

-- Posted by justforfun on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 9:00 PM

Aggie - I too have had trouble with post refreshes. I have Internet Explorer 7, the refresh button doesn't always work right (the screen refreshes, but the post count doesn't), but the trick discussed by other users about the Ctrl-F5 combination has worked great every time so far.

-- Posted by fxpwt on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 9:01 PM

justforfun

You are not experienced on many forums for any length of time, I assume. FOFLMAO

-- Posted by conservababe on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 9:06 PM

While looking for my ham, I found my favorite grocer in my hometown. Now I'm so homesick, I could cry.

http://www.poches.com

-- Posted by conservababe on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 9:09 PM

Since the refresh problem keeps coming up, is anyone else using mozilla? Stable and easy to use. Just wondering.

-- Posted by stevmo on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 9:10 PM

conservababe, bless your heart.

-- Posted by justforfun on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 9:21 PM

justforfun

Are you really familiar with that southern expression? If so, something should follow. giggle

-- Posted by conservababe on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 9:24 PM

thought it - just didn't say it. : )

-- Posted by justforfun on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 9:31 PM

unless "bless your heart" was really what was meant....lol

-- Posted by dixietrucker on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 9:33 PM

justforfun

bless your heart

1: phrase used by Southern women to excuse themselves for speaking ill of someone else.

-- Posted by conservababe on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 9:46 PM

I'm just wondering if there are any lurkers or undeclared persons who might be Cajun on this forum.

-- Posted by conservababe on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 9:56 PM

dixietrucker: "Our freedoms do not cease to exist when someone is offended." Thank you so much!

It is great that we all can and should have our own beliefs and opinions. What is not so great is that it must be human nature (and certainly political nature) for us to try so hard to convince anyone who disagrees with us that WE are right.

The issue of whether homosexuality is genetic or a choice is another one of those things like the second-hand-smoke "studies," in which little or nothing has actually been proven. Way, way back when...if you can remember, or find some research (doubtful, because it was difficult to find even back then)...We (as in our psychological professionals) became so concerned that we were making parents feel guilty if their child was homosexual, that there was a great and compassionate effort to take away that guilt. Thus, the beginning of "born that way" came under discussion and "studies."

All I really meant to say here was: There are those of us who believe one way, and those who believe another. The bottom line though, should be that we can respect another's beliefs even if they do not agree with ours. As for discrimination: is that not a human trait and right? I mean, aside from it being dictated by our government?

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 10:16 PM

gurusmom

I have heard it over and over again on this forum that we must respect the other's opinion if we disagree. Why should I respect an opinion if it is wrong or the person embracing that opinion? Now, if you mean behaving in a civil manner then that is a different matter. Posters should be civil but, once again, that is a subjective call. Some folks think that if their ox is being gored, that is reason enough to call foul.

I calls 'em like I sees 'em.

-- Posted by conservababe on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 10:31 PM

conservababe - like I said - thought it didn't say it. I kinda felt everyone probably knew what I was thinking.

So bless you heart again, you don't even know you are clueless.

-- Posted by justforfun on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 11:39 PM

"...if you mean behaving in a civil manner then that is a different matter..." Conservababe, that's probably more what I meant than respect an opinion we might not agree with. Thanks for pointing that out.

However, I might point out something? "Why should I respect an opinion if it is wrong..." Uh...gee...How do I nicely put this? Nope, no way to do it. Only thing I know to say is, my dear, we do all have the right to opinions and who is to say that WE are right or someone ELSE is right? But hey! I know I'M usually right. ~big grin~

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sun, Nov 18, 2007, at 11:43 PM

gurusmom

If you have your ducks in a row as to your beliefs, principles and convictions then you never have to apoligize or qualify them with debate from others who do not share your values.

And that, dear, is being right.

-- Posted by conservababe on Mon, Nov 19, 2007, at 12:14 AM

"And that, dear, is being right."-- Posted by conservababe on Mon, Nov 19, 2007, at 12:14 AM

Only in your own little world. That, dear, is being foolish.

-- Posted by justforfun on Mon, Nov 19, 2007, at 12:33 AM

justforfun "FUNNY and I don't chew my fat twice!!!! ; ) Think Babe got it?"

Nope, it appears she didn't even identified the lampoon! ~~~snickering~~~

-- Posted by coke zero on Mon, Nov 19, 2007, at 4:49 AM

As far as homosexuals are concerned, I avoid making moral judgments on behavior that God so obviously created. I think their mistreatment breaks His heart, as it would any Father. There's a great deal of misunderstanding about the subject.

Conservababe: "Christian Coalition needs a strong leader such as we had in Ralph Reed."

Ralph Reed has been exposed to be a con man extraordinaire, along with other swindlers and allies like Jack Abramoff and the bunch from Enron. Besides, he's not taking his scandal-ridden behind back to the Christian Coalition. He's running for President. Maybe you'll have a chance to vote for him some day.

-- Posted by grisgris on Mon, Nov 19, 2007, at 4:59 PM

I wonder where the little fat round guy is? Anyone seen Ballou?

-- Posted by workin' them angels on Mon, Nov 19, 2007, at 10:51 PM


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