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Speak Out 11/2/07

Friday, November 2, 2007

No Christian threat

IF STUPIDITY had mass, either of the Limbaugh boys would be a black hole all by himself. They are the clueless leading those who choose to be blind. Christianity is under attack by whom? I'm a Christian and have only ever been attacked by other Christians. In fact, many Christians I've encountered don't act much like Christ would. As far as being under attack because of our religious beliefs, we went to Iraq and continue to fuel the terrorism movement to accomplish what, exactly? To set up one fanatical religious faction against another, then rush out and let those Islamic groups destroy each other -- while we harvest their oil and sell them weapons, just like we did in the Iran-Iraq war. Is it religiously motivated? Have we invaded and raided any Christian countries lately? I fought in Desert Storm. No Muslim has ever harmed me or tried to. In fact, my most promising young team leader was Muslim. It made him a better, more consistent soldier than the rest of my squad.

Rich or poor

I HEARD someone on the radio promoting higher taxes for the so-called rich. His reasoning was the Constitution says we are all equal. It's the Declaration of Independence that has a statement like that. The key word is "created." It's the choices we make after being created that build or destroy one's life and make people rich or poor.

Taking the pulse

IT WOULD be wonderful if our mayor and city council members would participate in blog forums. What better way to get the pulse on issues taxpayers are concerned about? On that note, a volunteerism blog would be a wonderful tool for those who would like to make a difference all year long.

Government housing

WHY DOES the Social Security office need a new building when we have a brand-new federal courthouse nearly ready to move in to? Why do our state and federal governments continue to rent buildings all over town? Wouldn't it be cheaper in the long run to construct a state office building and put everyone under one roof instead of throwing all of the taxpayers' money toward rent every month?

Airborne pollutants

SIX HUNDRED ninety tons of airborne pollutants? Where will the prevailing winds take the toxic pollution? Over Cape Girardeau? I think it's time for my family to exit stage right. Quickly.

Rent complaint

RENT PRICES are crazy in the Cape Girardeau area. Any rent over $650 a month is crazy. Some landlords have the nerve to ask for $700 to $1,200 a month and then put restrictions like no pets and no smoking. Honestly, if you pay that kind of rent you should be able to put an elephant in your back yard if you want to, as long as you respect and don't destroy their property. Plenty of room

LET'S PUT the overpopulation claim in perspective. There are approximately 6 billion people in the world today. They could all stand comfortably in Delaware. So let's move on and deal with some real problems.

Making an impression

DRIVING THROUGH Cairo, Ill., recently made me wonder: Why don't the townspeople there make more effort to demolish those empty buildings? Picture an industry coming to Cairo to look it over. It would have to be thinking that, in a town where citizens care so little about their surroundings, there probably would be few good potential employees. Surely it would be hesitant to bring in its own people to live in such an area. It doesn't cost much to clean up the trash.

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In re: to "Making an impression"

I get the feeling that the town hall is rather incompetent in terms of this and other factors. In many cases they claim that they are behind in getting condemned buildings town down. They haven't even torn down and cleaned up an old hospital which has outdated medications laying about, old needles, etc. I get the feeling that it's because they can't afford it because they can't pass a budget among other things.

As a fan of historic preservation, almost all of the buildings are (to me) unrestorable. Architecturally they are prominent but it wold be economically unfeasible even with credits that are available to buildings on the National Register of Historic Places. Driving through the town it seems like the only buildings which are being cared for are the occasional home (not to many but still).

-- Posted by AtheneBelle on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 4:24 AM

There is a very interesting program regarding Cairo, IL that airs on the Carbondale PBS station occasionally. It is very sad that racism destroyed what was a thriving community.

-- Posted by Lumpy on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 5:05 AM

Christian Threat: If you truely feel that Christian have not been nor are threaten daily you better recheck your faith take your head out of the sand and check the one you serve.

-- Posted by freedom1776to2008 on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 6:28 AM

In order to make money on a rental as a landlord you should charge 1% of the value of the dwelling as monthly rent.

-- Posted by interesting on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 7:48 AM

As an atheist, I checked with our national super secret council, and I can verify for 100% that there is no war on christianity... Unless you wish to count the war that christians wage on one another over idiotic things like "the commercialization of christmas" and which sect of their church is "correct".

"god's people" have always had a persecution complex.

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 8:20 AM


There is nothing trained, or educated about the Limbaugh boys... they are demagogues for the neocon movement that threatens to destroy our country and should be dealt with accordingly.

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 8:25 AM

As a renter for the past 11 years, I must say that my landlord has increased the rent occasionally when he has been out the expense to replace a needed appliance or any other "big ticket" item; In addition, I am not responsible for paying taxes or home owners insurance or any other maintenance on the house. Some dwellings aren;t worth higher rent; some are...

-- Posted by sosassy on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 9:09 AM


Given todays market, and a long enough time line, renting makes sense. If your rent was $500 per month (and assuming you get a decent amount of space for your $500), it would take 30+ years of renting before you would even show any signs home ownership being a better investment.

There are tons of sites online that help figure the true cost of ownership vs. rental...

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 9:21 AM

Taking the pulse

I don't see how any of those dinosaurs would be able to grasp the "Open Forum" policy on a blog. They hardly do it on Mondays. The only time I've seen them squirm is during the Lacey St acqusition. That was enjoyable.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 9:32 AM

Rent complaint

Okay, ****** about the price of rent and what you can and cannot have on "your" property? There's a sure fire solution. BUY! Now's the time. Unless your credit is in the toilet then you can blame someone else besides yourself for a landlord turning a profit. Heavan forbid.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 9:45 AM

Rent complaint

Okay, ****** about the price of rent and what you can and cannot have on "your" property? There's a sure fire solution. BUY! Now's the time. Unless your credit is in the toilet then you can blame someone else besides yourself for a landlord turning a profit. Heaven forbid.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 9:50 AM


"If we can get enough respectful, informed posters..." Thats a stretch, look who your talking to. A month ago, Buckmaster said that I was off my rocker and compaired me to Nick Charles/MJB. Still haven't shaken off that one.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 10:25 AM

Why post a complaint or concern on some obscure website or this website in hope that someone will read it? I would think that sending an email, letter, or phone call to your Ward Councilperson would be more effective.

I notice many times there are questions asked on this site that could easily be answered if the poster simply called City Hall, Public Works, Police, etc and get an answer to their question.

-- Posted by chas111 on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 10:48 AM

TJ you are correct - use all resources possible, but there should be a hierarchy and plan also. I see quite a few random blurbs online that someone could have taken care of with a phone call. There seems to be an expecation that the SEMissourian should have all the answers. I guess it is easier to put text in a box and send it out for processing than to pick up a phone and find out for yourself.

-- Posted by chas111 on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 11:30 AM

I thought we could make it through the day without a anti semetic rant from Nick Charles. Zionists, Christian Zionists, and Zealots a nutbag fruitbasket of religious ideals.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you a/b the attacks by outside groups that undermine MY religion. But it does not under mine my faith. When the ACLU says Christmas is bad, I try to remember the whole Freedom OF religion not FROM religion bit that most people miss. I let it slide because people like me keep our religion to ourselves. It makes it a more one on one type thing with our maker. A little more personal.

I grasp the notion when atheists are offended by GOD being put in their face I figure they would rather have a foot in their ***. Just because one is offended, they are in the minority, don't spoil the party for the rest.

Nick we share a pretty good amount of religious views, I think. I just don't understand your Jewish rants. It isn't Israel that blasts the Christians. Most of the time it's atheists, Muslims, women, children, gays, anti abortions, pro abortions, the media, polygamists, and a few other groups that I can't think of. See, Christianity is loved by all.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 1:54 PM

I agree about the no Christian threat.

Who is exactly at war with Christianity?

Who is the enemy?

I am a practicing Lutheran, so I am a Christian.

Am I the enemy?

I don?t believe in having religion in schools.

Not because of the belief, but because of the misguided teachings. Who determines what and how much religion could be taught? Are you ok with allowing Christian teaching if the teacher is Catholic? What about Baptist? What about Mormon? What if they were a Scientologist?

The 10 commandments are not needed because there are other ways to teach civility and humanity. In fact, I am for creating 10 new standards that should be taught to kids that are more important to being a good person than the Ten Commandments.

Second, I don?t want somebody teaching children altered scientific facts because it does not conform to their religious ideals. I want kids to think and freely question. I want them to want to find out truth and facts. I want them inquisitive. To try to hinder scientific research, or ignore a fossil record because of personal beliefs hinders this.

Do these concerns make me the Enemy?

-- Posted by zuke354 on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 3:25 PM

Nick,you wouldn't know a darn thing about "wacky tobbaccy or Hashish!Your

entirely to lazy to get off your parnoid

anti-semetic big *** and do anything constructive.I bet your a welfare recipient with a government purchased computer with no woman in your life(never has been)who finds nothing better to do but spew manure!again,go sit on your toilet and spew your parnoid hatred and name calling somewhere else.And I might just invite my Jewish brother in law for a visit to debate you

with the same prejudice you use to describe him.By the way,he was born in Irael and fought for his Country(state as you would call it)and he does not take kindly to folks like you!Neither do I..I will fall short of calling you a coward but you border on it!

I know thats harsh but no harsher then your vomit!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 3:32 PM


"I have no problem with Christmas, Prayer in School, or whatever Christians want as long as they allow me the freedom to be what I am."

You hit the nail right on the head. Wish everyone could understand that. That's exactly what the constitution says. (Note: nowhere does it mention "seperation of church and state".

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or

prohibiting the free exercise thereof

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 3:35 PM

"The Ten commandments are not needed".."I am a practicing Lutheran so I am a Christian"

I am confused Zuke354.I just don't understand how a practicing Lutheran(not sure what that is) automaticly becomes a Christian.Please explain yourself to this Christian Man.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 3:56 PM


Don't leave, this is actually pretty enlightening. My rant is based solely on the words Zionist and other off the wall renderings that come from some of our more colorful posters.


I hope that I am not one of those who post "disrespectful comments." I more or less just type 'off the cuff' and have not gotten a definate answer in regards to what a Zionist is. "It continues primarily as support for the state and government of Israel and its continuing status as a homeland for the Jewish people.[2] Described as a "diaspora nationalism,"[3] its proponents regard it as a national liberation movement whose aim is the self-determination of the Jewish people.[4]

I've never understood why Zionism is used in such a negative light. Just like Neo Con, it is to describe someone who wants to continue the betterment of their philosophy. I don't wear a mask and throw malitof (sp) cocktails during peacful demostrations. I just throw querky little one liners.

Next I'll be called a racist...that'll stick.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 4:15 PM


Please do not assume I have had a bad day.

Its been rather nice actually!If you choose to defend nick and his haterd toward his Government and the Jews that will more then likely someday soon save his butt from a nuke

or dirty bomb thats a ok with me.I for one Am sick of his nonsense as you can tell by my previous post.He injects his opinion(if thats what you wanna call it)as if its the only opinion.Yes,SOME COMMENTS here are disrespectful but I learned many years ago that often times Fire should be fought with fire!Sorry if you are offended but I am not at all worried about this forum and or what might or might not be lost!Yesterday I was a racist Remember!I never heard one word in defense from you or anyone else in here.One for all and all for one is the norm here lately!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 4:28 PM


I was speaking a/b the past whinings from those who complain during Christmas and the whole "...under God." issue. I have no beef with ANYONE'S religion, or lack of relgion. It is your right. I embrace it as much you do yours. The "foot in the arse (I said ***, sorry)" is just for those who keep others from practicing their faith or are offended because their faith doesn't match.

Now, I'm totally confused and a cross eyed. Can we talk about how the Patriots are going to crush the Colts this weekend?

-- Posted by fajar154 on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 4:30 PM


you need help, my GOD bless you!

-- Posted by Solelicious on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 4:35 PM


I don't think your a racist. Wikipedia defines it as "(a) belief that members of one race are intrinsically superior or inferior to members of other races."

Didn't see that from your post yesterday, but I didn't want to interfer. You were on a role and I sure didn't want to throw you off your game.

Besides, you served your time. Payed your dues. You ever hear a B52 say "I'm sorry, but here comes the pain?"

-- Posted by fajar154 on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 4:37 PM


You may have just whipped me at my own game!lol.I should never assume anything.I should know that by now.Sorry for the tirade but you must understand my frustration with Nick.


Thanks Bro.And no SIR! I have never

heard a b-52 say "Im sorry here comes the pain"! That my friend was a great question!

I hope you don't mind if I use that in the future when needed.

As for my time served..1971-1975 and my dues paid,I appreciate your respect but just know that even Nick deserves my respect but sometimes its just so damned hard to muster!

Sorry Nick,but stop with your anti-semetic comments.My Brother in law(Jori) is my favorite Brother in Law because he is a realist just like me.My harsh words were

not necessary and I apologise.I will try to stay on subject if the subject is respectful!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 5:22 PM


I am going to admitt something right now and please do not think I am kissing up!

Some of the best advise I have ever received

in my 50+ years have come from Women!

Your advise to me in your last post will be well taken and added to the list!

Tamelaj,Please except this advise from me especially if you like to wager from time to time:

Colts 38

N England 27

You may not like football but

Fajar154 needs this info so that he knows

my feelings on Sundays big Game.

My money is on the Colts .

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 5:53 PM

For those interested in the difference between Judaism and Zionism should look up Judaism vs Zionism. The important fact is one needs to be a Jew to be a Torah Jew, but not a Jew to be a Zionist. I am not of the Jewish faith so not bone to pick with the Jewish people of the world. Just stating a fact.

-- Posted by lvsholeflow on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 6:34 PM

Hilleco: Know you are a reader such as myself. I read a book a few years ago by Arthur Koestler titled "The Thirteenth Tribe". Good historical reading especially if interested in modern Israel.

-- Posted by lvsholeflow on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 6:39 PM

Hilleco: One more book since you seem interested in history. H. G. Wells, "The Shape of Things to Come". This book is fiction, but it does hold some historical value only because he almost predicts up to our present time. If you haven't read it before, I felt it was a good read, but hard for me to get through in some places.

-- Posted by lvsholeflow on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 6:49 PM

Wow, miss one day of posting and I miss all the fun. LOL

Though, I believe now I will try and stay on Greywolf's good side. His *** kickings hurt like hell. (Just teasing ya big Guy!!)

-- Posted by notsureitssafeinhere on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 8:49 PM

Nick Charles, of course you would agree with MJB. Are you really going to disagree with yourself?

Quit trying to fool everyone.

-- Posted by workin' them angels on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 11:00 PM

I am in full agreement with mpreszler, miss a day and look at all the fun I missed. fajar154 and GRAYWOLF thank you both for your service. The thankfulness can never be stated enough that for the service you provided for us. You and fellow heros make it possible for us to sit here without having to duck into a bomb shelter or worry about wackos coming into our house to do bodily harm because of stating our views.

As far as the idea that Christianity is under attack....many good points were made today. The biggest problem is that too many Christians have sat for too long and has let our core beliefs be compromised. When nonbelievers complain about being offended, "Christians" were too quick to bow down to keep the peace. The offended then saw how easy it was make changes and kept crying more causing even more change. Now when Christians decide to stand up they are called right wing extremists. I agree they do sometimes go way over the top and actually hurt their stand. This attitude of not offending anyone has stretched throughout our counry on all levels. How many times did we let terrorists kill our men and women across seas doing their job, and when Bush took a stand he is wrong. America now has the attitude of wanting to please everyone and we are taking in it the backside. People are so eager to give up our rights for safety. They want the government to take care of our health care, pay them for not working, and still want to ***** about everything. GRAYWOLF, when you described Nick today, you pretty much hit the nail on the head of a lot of people in our society that is bringing it down.

-- Posted by Dr._Will_B._Inebreated on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 11:17 PM

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