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Sunday, October 28, 2007

Buy insurance

THE REASON the government is more willing to spend for missiles than for health insurance is because its main function is to protect citizens from hostile nations and terrorists. You should buy your own health insurance.

Out too late

WHILE DRIVING home from work the other night, I passed the caboose in Scott City. I noticed a bunch of teenagers gathered in the parking lot. It was after midnight. What are these teenagers doing on a school night hanging out so late? This cannot be a good thing. Where are the parents, and why would they let their children stay out so late on a school night? We need a curfew that is enforced in Scott City. These kids should be home no later than 10 p.m.

Running red lights

I BET the Cape Girardeau Police Department could write 100 tickets for running red lights at the Broadway and Kingshighway Intersection weekday mornings. It is ridiculous, and somebody is going to get in a major accident if it is not taken care of.

What 's Limbaugh say?

DAVID LIMBAUGH, we all realize that you are a nationally syndicated columnist and yet you often use controversial community issues in other parts of the country to buttress your arguments. Having said that, there is a controversial issue in your hometown which seems to be begging for and is a perfect fit for your political philosophy. It concerns the controversy concerning a church on Bertling wanting to serve as a food distributor. The city has to this point said this is prohibited by city zoning ordinances. Others say that to prevent the food distribution program is a violation of the First Amendment freedom of religion protection. What say you, Mr. Limbaugh? Some say your position would be that we are a government of laws and not of men and that the church should for the time being defer to the city's position. Others argue that your "theocratic" tendencies would more than tempt you to side with the church, even if it ultimately meant urging the violation of a final ruling against the church by Cape's city council. This is a local issue with potential national and constitutional ramifications. Recognizing your expertise, I think you are somewhat obligated to publicly speak out via your column. Thank you, sir.

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Tamelaj: Just got a few minutes but happened across this by accident. Don't get excited just wanted you to see this. Believe me not saying anything ok, no heat here from cannedheat.


-- Posted by cannedheat on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 7:48 AM

IKNOWIRAQ: How about this: There is a family here locally that both parents work. They work hard, husband also works part time on weekends. They have 2 children and neither job pays healthcare. To get healthcare for them and their children costs them almost $10,000 a year. How do they pay for that and day care? Oh yes I know have the mother quit and take care of the kids. Nice but then they couldn't have healthcare at all.

I know Iraq. If this is true then you are saying you would rather pay to kill and destroy than to help kids and your fellow man. Yep bet you do know Iraq.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 7:53 AM

Tamelaj: Used to smoke years ago have been quit almost 35 yrs. Military in 60's and smoking went hand in hand. Wasn't making any statement just trying to make sure we got you started on the right track today. I have to run in a few but hope to talk with you guys today sometime. Have a great day and keep hold of your bloomers.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 8:16 AM

cannedheat you stated that there was a family in Cape that had to pay almost $10,000 a year for health insurance.

I checked online at Blue Cross and I found coverage there for my family with 2 adults and 2 kids ranging in price from 225.24 a month to 939.07 a month. If I had no insurance at all I would not pick the highest price one out there. I would pick the one somewhere in the middle. Maybe even cheaper so me and my wife would not have to work so many hours and pay for daycare also. I know families who both parents work and one's income goes to cover daycare but they say they both have to work to make ends meet. I say if all of one of our income is paying someone else to watch our kids then one of us will stay home.

-- Posted by joekool on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 8:36 AM


When wondering about the emmissions think of it this way. Ethanol is essentially moonshine. It will smell like a distillery.

-- Posted by Tom_Grey on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 8:59 AM


I am from Benton and now live in northern in.I work in So.Bend In and there is an ethanol plant there.When the breeze is from the south we have to smell it at work,Reminds me of Vomit ,some say yeast ,did you ever smell the wood plant in Kentucky ? I know that not everyone will have to smell it all the time ,but the ones that do will not like it.

-- Posted by DaveB on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 9:12 AM

Hello, I'm back. Sorry I havent spoke my piece lately. Had to take a load to Washington state. Brought back a new kind of apples, they are called GRAPPLES.

What have I missed? I see some one is again worried about what other people are doing in Scott City rather than worry about themselves. Too much tattle-telling.they are probably upset becouse they wasnt invited.

And as for the ethenol plants, bring them on. I'm for it, till we find another source of energy.

How are you Tamalaj?

Fred Thompson '08

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 10:07 AM

FYI Aggie,

Those kids being "tattle-tailed" on set the **** caboose on fire a few weeks ago!

-- Posted by The Central Scrutinizer on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 10:27 AM

A few years back, I used to deliver corn to these type of plants. I cant speak for ALL ethenol plants, but the ones I went to were very clean, well maintaned. But, that isn't what people are worried about. It's the smell. Think of this, do you remember your mother making homemade bread? The smell coming from the oven just made your mouth water. Remember?? That is the smell that I left with from the plants.

Tell you what, go to a NEW ethenol plant, not one that is 80 yrs old, becouse that wouldn't be a fair assumption. Then go down to Baytown,Tx, where I was born and raised, and compare Exxon's plant,which is located in town, to a NEWLY built ethenol plant. Hum???

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 10:32 AM

Then someone should be punished for arson, but my point is that in todays society everyone is worried about what others are doing and not themselves.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 10:34 AM

tamelaj if they already have insurance the pre-existing condition would be covered right away and if they had no insurance it would not be covered for a year. I know from experience as I have had a heart attack and I can still get life insurance and it is not as high as I thought it would be. My health insurance rates did not go up after I bought the insurance after my heart attack. I told the company and they said no problem I would be covered since I had previous insurance and my rates would not be affected. They stated you have a period of time between insurance coverage before they consider you uninsured on helath insurance. I think it is 60 or 90 days.

-- Posted by joekool on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 10:38 AM

The smell of rotting corn and $4 a gallon equivalent with e-85. A corrupt Governor, who has a severe conflict of interest. The only reason that this farce is continuing is no Presidential candidate can speak the truth about ethanol and come out of the Iowa primaries. Doing so would kill their campaign.

-- Posted by The Central Scrutinizer on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 10:40 AM

I've been gone for awhile and didn't know that the caboose was set on fire. I'm just stating that there isn't anything here for the kids. They don't bother me if they park there or at Rhodes or anywhere else.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 10:40 AM

They use to, don't know if they still do, even when they did have one when my wife was a kid here growing up, she says they never enforced it. I know some kids are nothing but trouble, but not all kids are trouble makers.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 10:50 AM

Rotting corn???? Where did you smell that??

Do you really think that they would let corn sit around to rot, not to mention how much they paid for the corn. NOT!!

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 10:57 AM

The dried distillers grain is not dry after it is milled and soaked in water for few days. It is cheaper to let it dry on its own out on the concrete in the sun, than to put it in the drier right away. That among other things, and chemicals reeks. I wish it just smelled like yeast, but it doesn't. Any one who says that is the only smell one of these plants puts off has either never been to one, ore is lying through their teeth.

-- Posted by The Central Scrutinizer on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 11:08 AM

Central, this is a dead issue. The plants will be built. You are the liar, you tried to decieve everyone with that trip you made to IL. but it didn't work. You shouldn't caompare a 80 year old plant to one more modern. The citizens had no sy about the plants anyway, it wasn't up to any of us.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 11:17 AM

go to Mexico MO and take a wiff. That's new plant. It doesn't matter when the plant was built, if it is wet or dry milled. They all stink. It is the process that produces the odors not the age of the plant. Maybe they will be built, I can guarantee they will be sued by many, if they cause property values to decline.

-- Posted by The Central Scrutinizer on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 11:23 AM

I am a male, and yes I drive a semi. My wife and I are team drivers. I have been driving for over 10 yrs.

An Aggie is a a term used for Texas A&M. Agriculture and Mechanical. Aggies for short.

I am from Bryan/College Station,Tx. Home of Texas A&M.

You can ask anything you want. I might not know the answers.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 11:44 AM

Good morning Tamelaj.

Just a small appology for my anger yesterday. And just to clarify, none of my family is asking the government for any financial assistance for their homes. They may be asking for federal assistance in saveing them and fighting the fires, but they are fully insured on their homes in case they burn. The structure can be replaced, but the years spent living in their homes can not be. And I can't speak for others involved, but my siblings keep their property up to code to help prevent fires. Just a raw nerve for me yesterday when being told it was their fault for living there.

And Nick Charles, please stop showing your ignorance by telling Tamelaj to basically, "shut up and get in the kitchen where you belong". If you want cookies or bread tell your wife to make them.

Mmmm guess I'm not in a better mood today. LMAO

-- Posted by notsureitssafeinhere on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 11:44 AM

I have been to Mexico,Mo. Central. It isn't as bad as what you describe.

I more or less am stating that you are decieving, and not worth my precious time. You are a fool with foolish ideas. But, I can see why though, hanging around the other fool of Scott City, Keesee!

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 11:49 AM

Tamelaj, what a better way to spend quality time than to have your wife as a partner for work. We love it, the money is great and the places we go. Little Big Horn, Mt. Rainer, Grand Canyon etc. Almost like snow-birds but we get paid to travel.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 11:54 AM

I have heard of the stink from Sam Herndon. Ask him

-- Posted by The Central Scrutinizer on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 11:56 AM

So you heard that the stink FROM SOMEONE ELSE? And those who say differant are lying through their teeth? How dare you make a comment and call ME a liar. Your post just showed how low you are. Too form an opinion and no clue what your talking about.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 12:04 PM

Our kids are grown, we have 7 grandkids.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 12:05 PM

I have been to four plants, all of which stink.

Sam goes to Mexico regularly and commented how much it stinks there. How is that a lie?

-- Posted by The Central Scrutinizer on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 12:09 PM


So far so good on the family front. One brother still can't get back to his home, so don't know if it is still there yet. Actually he runs the risk of loosing 3 homes. Two in the mountains (one is a rental, other residence) and one down by the beach (weekend/getaway home). And before anyone says they have too many homes, they work hard and choose to have two homes for residence and one for rental. All insured for fire btw!!

Two other brother's are on voluntee evacuation, but think they are getting a handle on the fires threatening their homes. So as long as things keep progressing as they are, they and their homes and families should be safe.

My parent's home was threatened early in the week, but that fire was contained and no one was hurt and no damages.

As you can tell, that is why the wild fires in California effect me as they did. Still no exuse for the way I lashed out yesterday, but just very personal to me. I guess kind of like the gun issue for some around here. lol

-- Posted by notsureitssafeinhere on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 12:22 PM

No we have 4 boys and 1 girl, 2 of our boys aren't married yet.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 12:23 PM


I don't want to have the "largest concentration of ethanol plants in the US" MODNR said this. I can't figure out why you would welcome this industry and the pollution to where you live. Do you have money in one of the plants?

-- Posted by The Central Scrutinizer on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 12:38 PM

Despite a boring Speak-Out Day, you guys managed to make the day interesting, humorous, and thought-provoking!

Anyone notice that the times of posts are not correct? It is now 11:42 a.m. according to all my clocks, but the last posting says 12:12 p.m.

Tamelaj, you were up early! Hope you're feeling much better today!

With all the ethanol "stink" comments, no one has commented on the article yesterday about our water resources dwindling...and the great comment about how much water producing ethanol will use.

-- Posted by gurusmom on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 12:43 PM

What pollution??? we are talking about 2 plants not a concetration of multiple plants. Of all the newer plants I have delivered to are self -sufficiant. Very, I repeat, VERY CLEAN.

You are trying to paint a picture of smokestacks every where pouring out smoke and pollutants 24/7.

Sir I have lived, worked and survived among worse plants. I know what stinch is. I never said all the plants smell nice, I just stated that the newer more modern plants that are built today, are more pleasant. Community friendly plants.

Whether I have stock in these plants is not the issue and is none of your **** business. We put our money in IRA'S, if you need to know.

These plants are not the answer to lower our dependence on oil, but we need a start.

I'm looking at the income and jobs this will bring to our community.

Why are you against the issue, becouse you can't afford to buy stock in it??

These plants are going to be built, period. This was a none vote issue. Bringing this up at City Hall was stupid on you and Keesee's part.

I cant wait to see if you run for mayor, I swear I'll be there to dispute everything you say.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 12:56 PM

As for the water anyone look to the east lately, there was this long body of water that flows through here the last time I looked.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 12:58 PM


Would think it would be kind of hard to miss that body of water. Concidering the flood wall and all. But thank you for the chuckle!!! I like your wit.

Haven't done my own research on the plant issue so can't say for or against yet. You and Central Scrutenizer both bring up valid points. Having lived next to and sometimes down wind from a dairy farm, can't imagine the smell being any worse. Could be wrong though.

-- Posted by notsureitssafeinhere on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 1:06 PM

Is it too late to stop the ethanol con job?

"This is Soviet-style central planning at its very worst. If ethanol were good for consumers and good for the planet, consumers wouldn't be forced to pay for it through their taxes and forced to buy it through legislation.

If you want to impress your neighbors with your green credentials, vote for politicians . if you can find one . who vow to kill the ethanol industry."

-- Posted by legal_solutions on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 1:11 PM

I have worked at feedlots, which stinks, I have worked at wastewater plants that stink. I go into the mens restroom at truck stops, and yes it really stinks there too. We have stinch everywhere. I'm just saying, Dont base your disapproval on the plants becouse of smell. Morning breath smells worse than some of the plants.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 1:12 PM

Well I see the nuthouse just let everyone out for playtime on the pc. The race is about to start, everyone have a blessed day. I will talk to you in the morning. We will be home till wednesday.

Remember, Ethenol good/ Democrates bad. Fred good/ Hillary s**ks.

Fred '08

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 1:17 PM

tamelaj I sent you an email, thought it was cute and that you might enjoy it. Gotta run. Race is on.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 1:43 PM

Bottom line no ethanol is not a PERMANENT SOLUTION however it will REDUCE our dependecy on foreign oil since we don't use our own supplies. You want to stop ethanol talk to the politicians about using US OIL vs. IRAQI OIL

-- Posted by are_we_having_fun_yet on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 2:18 PM

4 the record, I NEVER said ethanol was a permanent solution, but we need a start. Anything is better than doing nothing at all. I'm so sick of the O Hum attitude like "Central" and "Legal" have. Those two are so far out in left field.

-- Posted by Aggiefan/Twiggy on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 2:34 PM

I'll take some to that health insurance. Try cancer see how much you can get. I believe the premiums for a family can be as low as 300 a month. But what is the deductible. I looked at one for a family of four and it was 325 a month but a 3,000 deductible for one person and 5,000 for a family. Not real good at math but thing that comes to around 9,000 for the year. Guess the ones who have been saying not much compassion in Southeast MO is right.

-- Posted by oldvet on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 2:44 PM

Ethanol's Tough Times Continue

The country's corn-based fuel producers are feeling the financial squeeze, and investors don't see it letting up.

It doesn't look like the ethanol industry is going to get relief from its pain any time soon, according to a panel of investors at the Dow Jones Alternative Energy Innovations conference in Redwood City, Calif., earlier this week.

The industry has seen margins shrink and stock prices fall, and companies such as VeraSun have pulled back on plans to increase their ethanol production.

One cause of the problem lies in the hands of those driving ethanol's growth, said Peter Hebert, managing partner at Lux Capital Management.

When it comes to corn-based ethanol in the United Sates, "government and corporate support are being largely dictated by congressmen and senators from Iowa versus true scientists," he said. Iowa is one of the largest produces of ethanol in the country.

Ethanol doesn't make sense in many cases and fails to address numerous problems that the fuel is supposed to help solve, he said.

Advocates say cellulosic technology could significantly boost the amount of ethanol that can be made without competing with crops for food, but companies developing cellulosic ethanol haven't been able to produce it at large volumes or affordable prices.

-- Posted by legal_solutions on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 2:48 PM

You could plant EVERY acre of farmland in the country with corn. make ethanol out of it and it wouldn't even make enough to replace a few, less than 10% of the oil we use.That's a real smart start. The industry is propped up, like Legal Solutions said, by a few corn belt congressmen. If its so **** good why does it have to be subsidized by the government? If I were to run for mayor, my first piece of business would be to ban prison tattoos on women living in Scott City.

-- Posted by The Central Scrutinizer on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 3:05 PM

The website concerning the proposed ethanol plant at Rogersville has been down for a few weeks due to some remodeling.

This new site with its new name is expanding our approach in our attempt to inform others about the futility of making ethanol from food and the dead-end production of tax subsidized ethanol in general (our combined opinion and our agreed position). http://missouricitizensagainstethanol.co...

The new website does not represent, nor does it speak in any way for the six litigants who are currently involved in the lawsuit against GBE, although the site may post up-dates concerning this legal battle as it affects the communities of Rogersville and Fordland, Missouri.

More pages will be added soon and the new website will be updated from time to time as new information becomes available. Please let me know what you think of the new website and feel free to send additions and suggestions as to how we can make it better and/or more comprehensive.

During the past twelve months, we have noted a near 180 degree turn around from positive to negative, as the citizens of this nation have evaluated ethanol as a proposed answer to our foreign oil problems.

Feel free to add this link to your own websites as you see it appropriate.

Dave Pitts


-- Posted by The Central Scrutinizer on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 3:11 PM

ABOUT ETHANOL in general...

â*¢ The government subsidizes ethanol production to the tune of 51 cents/per gallon.

â*¢ For every $1 profit to ethanol producers, cost to the taxpayers is $30. (source)

â*¢ Ethanol will cost vehicle drivers more to use than gasoline.(source)

â*¢ Ethanol has a negative energy return; i.e., it requires more energy to make than it provides. (source)

â*¢ In 1991, the â**Governors' Ethanol Coalition" emerged. Membership as of January 2007 stands at thirty-six states plus Brazil, Canada, Mexico, Queensland, Australia, Sweden and Thailand. The sole purpose of this Coalition is to promote the production of ethanol from corn and other products. Now, according to â**Missouri Corn Onlineâ** Missouriâ**s representative on this Coalition is Doyle Childers, Director, Missouri Department of Natural Resources along with Anita Randolph, Missouri Department of Natural Resources, Energy Center. Since D.N.R. is the agency responsible for issuing permits to new ethanol plants, etc., this is a direct conflict of interest. Where is the protection for local residents, when the â**permittingâ** agency is both promoting the production of ethanol for companies like Gulfstream Bioflex and at the same time responsible for the protection of the resources such as groundwater?


â*¢ This ethanol facility will use at least ~880 gallons per minute 24 hours a day (that is 1.2 billion gallons a year) of fresh clean groundwater from the Ozarks aquifer.(source)

â*¢ It is worth noting that their well capacity will be 2,200 gallons/minute.(source)

â*¢ This water use is the equivalent of 21,000 normal households using a typical 61 gallons per day. (source)

â*¢ The only recharge source for this aquifer is rain and snow.

â*¢ The Ozarks aquifer extends well beyond Webster County and into the states of Kansas, Oklahoma, and Arkansas.

â*¢ Webster county serves as the headwaters for 7 major streams and 4 rivers, including the James River. Any action that affects the water in Webster county will affect the water in all of southwest Missouri.

â*¢ Testimony revealed that there are 91 wells within a 2 mile radius of the plant. These wells WILL BE affected by the company's water use; GBE doesnâ**t intend to compensate the owners of the affected wells.

â*¢ This company drilled their first well without the proper permit to drill a process well- they called it a test well.


â*¢ GBE has stated that they do not know what the discharge rate of wastewater from this facility will be.(source) However, the pollutants in ethanol facility wastewater are 10 times more toxic than household sewage.

â*¢ Based on water use of ~880 gallons per minute- the wastewater discharge rate of this facility would be the equivalent of 47 acre inches per day. Under ideal circumstances, the soils in this area can accommodate this rate for ONLY 20 DAYS. (source)

â*¢ After 20 days, what happens to the water?

â*¢ The companyâ**s limited model for wastewater treatment DOES NOT work in areas of karst topography.

â*¢ The proposed location occurs in a high water pollution potential area. (source)


â*¢ Webster county will receive no general revenue from this plant.(source)

â*¢ Neighboring property values have and will plummet.

â*¢ The light, air and noise pollution from this plant will continue 24 hours a day, 50 weeks a year.(source)

â*¢ The corn used in this facility will be shipped in from the South and the Midwest- using non-renewable FOSSIL FUELS to do so.(source)

-- Posted by The Central Scrutinizer on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 3:16 PM

tamelaj: I was diagnosed with SLE lupus 12 years ago, and it darn near killed me. I had to go all the way to St. Louis to find a doctor competent enough to treat me. After making major readjustments to my life, I'm doing well -- with constant medical monitoring. I thank God for Medicare, but I also have to pay a huge premium for a supplemental policy, not to mention a large bill from the pharmacy every month. How's it going for you?

-- Posted by grisgris on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 3:34 PM

Everybody needs to take a breath. Pop some popcorn, grab a drink, and watch "Network" one more time.

"There are no governments. Only the International System of Systems. The Ebb and Flow of Capital...petrodollars... There are no Democrats, no Republicans..."

Our consumption created a Monster. That Monster is the Corporatocratic Socialist Union of Limited Liability Entities.

They buy and sell the government like overfed cattle. Hillary is no exception. There hasn't been an exception since Lincoln, and we know what happened to him. Maybe JFK, but same story, different time frame.

If you want Change, keep it in your pocket. Your dollar is your only vote, and when you spend it, you vote for your own demise, unless you spend it very wisely. We don't need Them. They need us.

-- Posted by legal_solutions on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 3:39 PM


It's a scam, don't fall for it!

-- Posted by calypso12 on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 7:54 PM

So, which type of stem cell research are you talking about? That which has proven successful and is currently being used to treat some disorders or just stem cell research in general?

I, too, have a very strong heart in this issue.

-- Posted by KingsKid on Sun, Oct 28, 2007, at 8:21 PM

What we really need is for Nick Charles to get a spell checker on his computer. Either that or he stops posting.

-- Posted by workin' them angels on Mon, Oct 29, 2007, at 12:49 AM

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