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Speak Out 10/23/07

Tuesday, October 23, 2007

Not a ministry

I KEEP seeing the grocery sales by Christ Church of the Heartland referred to as a worthy cause for the needy. It is not for the needy. It is for anyone with money to buy the groceries. By the church's definition of a ministry, Aldi is a ministry. It sells groceries at a lower price than average. The church not only operates a retail grocery business, but it also is the distributor for all the Angel Food outlets in the area, creating further truck traffic.

Taking my money

I NEED help. I am tired of my hard-earned money being taken away from me in the form of income redistribution. That's money that should go to me and my family. I went to school for a long time and work hard for that money. My money is given to a segment of the population that has a large percentage of underachievers and failures. I see those who are on food stamps buying frozen pizzas, potato chips, junk food and other unhealthy items. These food choices lead to heart disease, obesity and diabetes. When they get sick, they want the government to help with universal health care. Whatever happened to taking pride in yourself and making the most out of life?

Explain the shrapnel

OK, BRIAN McGough is a phony soldier. He never served in Iraq. He washed out of boot camp. He is a disgrace to the uniform. All this according to Rush Limbaugh. But let me ask a question that might take Rush Limbaugh listeners for a loop: How did Brian McGough get a piece of shrapnel in his head?

Teachers' stress

I HAVE a problem with the comment regarding substitutes not following lesson plans. Yes, teachers get two personal days, most of the summer off, three days for Thanksgiving and, if they're lucky, almost two weeks for Christmas. However, that is not enough to deal with the stress, attitude and disrespect from some of the students on a daily basis. I am a parent as well as a substitute teacher. I follow the required material that the teacher supplies in his/her absence. If parents teach our children to respect themselves as well as other people, we can give our children the opportunity to get the education needed. The time children use to distract and disrespect a classroom is robbing the teacher, other children and themselves the benefit of a good education. Let's not shift the blame on the teachers, who are here to help your child, not hurt your child.

Substituting issues

AS A substitute teacher, I always follow the lesson plans laid out by the teachers I sub for. Most of those teachers' absences are for in-service training. There is enough blame to go around without anyone making a sad attempt to leave it all at the feet of teachers. Spend a day as a substitute and see some of these kids, certainly in action). Then tell readers that substitutes and lesson plans are the problem.

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"Not a ministry" One of the definitions of minister is "to give aide or service". The Angel Food Ministry is a service to our community. It helps people extend their grocery money and food stamps and offers good healthy food. Go to the website and get the facts: angelfoodministries.com

The other churches that pick up the food do not bring large trucks. Go volunteer and see for yourself what happens on their distribution day. I saw for myself. We shouldn't draw conclusions without finding out the truth or facts for ourselves. Do the research and don't believe something just because you read it on a blog.

-- Posted by uscitizen on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 1:09 AM



-- Posted by deloach on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 1:20 AM

"Explain the shrapnel"

The phony soldier Rush was referring to

was not Brian McGough, but JESSE MacBETH who

faked his military credentials. GET OVER IT!

-- Posted by hotshot202 on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 3:55 AM


Well you can tell that this was posted by one of the no good neighbors that live close to the church by the comment ""Oh MY it creates more truck traffic."" (So big deal it creates more truck traffic) Thank God at least the truck driver is making money delivering the goods, pays income tax on his earnings, uses gas that the gas tax pays for new roads and schools (so these neighbors can send thier kids to school), the fuel tax truckers pay helps maintain bridges and overpasses, the licence plates on the trucks, (which is very expensive, the state gets to help, keep your real estate taxes, and personal property taxes low. You need to sell your house and move and stop complaining. I cant wait till you get down and out and need, help. They will win this case like the lawyer already posted. SPERATION BETWEEN CHURCH AND STATE LAW WILL PREVAIL!!! THINK ABOUT IT. COMPLAINER!!!!!! LIKE THE BIBLE SAYS DO INTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO INTO YOU!!!! SHAME ON YOU.

-- Posted by stlouisreader on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 6:37 AM

I have a hard time supporting this ministry with people like stlouisreader WISHING HARM on the neighbors. WTF is up with that?

"I cant wait till you get down and out and need, help."

I bet the congregation gets together and prays for horrible things to happen to everyone who is against them and they get out their voodoo dolls and stick pins. I have never seen more hatefilled people who are self professed christians. You all make me SICK! And I am yelling when I say that.

-- Posted by user Vast Right Wing Conspiracy on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 7:26 AM

tamelaj, I hate to disagree with you, but because of the shortage of subs in the area, bad subs are called back all the time. I know of a sub at Jackson who tells the kids to talk quietly, explaining that she doesn't understand the teacher's plans and she'll leave the teacher a note, and she sits and does her nails. One day, she even gave various students pedicures. Another sub reads the newspaper all day and the kids sit and talk. These are just two of the many examples I personally know of. I can guarantee you that bad subs are called back, even when teachers specifically tell their administrator how horrible they were. This happens in both Cape & Jackson. Last year in Cape, for example, my youngest had a sub numerous times. That sub would let the kids play cards, talk, write notes, and use the text messaging feature on their phones. He sat there and surfed the net.

-- Posted by SEMOfan80 on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 7:56 AM


i was in no way "attacking" you or your responses.

you lamented that the church and city should reach a compromise on an area for the distribution.

my answer was "it can not happen---period".

and the reason is because the church does not have the money to pay for it.

and it seemed that many here were disillusioned concerning the "real issues" in this case.

angel food is just the obvious symptom of a greater problem.

and that problem is a neighbor who thinks that he can dictate if and when a church ministers as it sees fit.

and then a city government siding with said neighbor.

again i provide facts not warm and fuzzies.

my previous post simply quoted this newspaper.

how is that a low blow toward anyone?

this city is bogged down by a spirit of religion and it is long past time for this thing to break.


and before folks claim that calling people out on their wrongful actions is unbiblical and not a demonstration of the life of jesus.

i will remind you that jesus called a gentile woman a dog, the jewish leaders snakes, and peter he called satan.

i am not trying to be "mean".

there are things going on under the surface that are very sinister and could carry a bad precedent for churches all over cape.

not just christ church.

the folks that are at the forefront of this attack on the church have stated that they will not quit until this church moves or shuts down it's plans for growth.

and if that takes a little venom on my part so be it.

-- Posted by deloach on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 8:36 AM

"This City is bogged down by a spirit of religion and its long past do that this breaks"

Deloach: Please explain this statement.

I would like clarification.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 9:30 AM

Theories are great for explaining how something should work. In a perfect world as Tamelaj said things may be started toward a Theoretical paradise where those who wanted it could go get it and those who didn't wouldn't. But, we live in reality or at least most of us do. Since the beginning of time greed and therefore crime has driven some to take most of it and leave little to the rest. To those who are afraid of helping their fellow man, it really is greed. You don't want to be an equal with people you prefer to be somewhat above. If you ask the billionaires what drives them they say to get more to be the richest, to have more than the next guy. Southeast Missouri talks values but have no idea nor intention of walking the walk. Trash talk is what is abundant here.

All people here receive some form of income distribution and all people here will have a time of need either medical or personal.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 11:02 AM

My Opinion on Angel Food Ministry's in Cape Girardeau:

I keep hearing that this church is being greedy. Yet, no one who says this has worked there.

This church has been doing this service for 4 years; why not "grandfather" them in. Maybe even give those neighbors who are in a 1 block radius a tax break for living in this area.

I agree with the comments that have been posted that this town is based on religious leaders...however when it comes to helping people in this town...the leaders are awful at it.

I think that the powers that be are ticked off that they're not a getting a cut...

The people who live around the church are ticked off because once a month (or whenever it is) there's inconvenient traffic.

Shouldn't we all take a higher road here and say "You're right it may not be THE LAW, but we're helping people here. The fact is that most (if not all) people who use this service are people with a low income."

Like I said, I keep hearing that this service is really run by greedy people...I want proof of that before I support anything that would take away something this good from the community.

-- Posted by foodie on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 11:24 AM

I realize that you guys are getting tired of my defending Rush but it's tough to see the lies perpetuated, especially when they're repeated in the Missourian without caveat. One more time, Rush called Jesse Macbeth whose real name is Jesse Al-Zaid, a phony soldier since he washed out of boot camp but claimed to have served in Afghanistan and Iraq as an army ranger and also claimed to have witnessed and participated in atrocities committed by our soldiers.

Rush called Brian McGough a hero on his show. What Rush was upset about was that McGough was told the phony soldier lies and unwittingly started attacking Rush about something he never said. Much the same as the speak out comment. It was irresponsible of the Missourian to print this comment without checking to see what Rush had really said.

Also there is a pretty lame letter to the editor today taking shots at Rush for name calling. When Rush calls Obama Ossama, he's making fun of Ted Kennedy who was probably plowed one day and couldn't remember Obamas name and called him Ossama Obama. Rush also has a very funny song he plays on his show where he makes fun of Kennedy to the tune of La Bamba. That's good stuff.

-- Posted by stevmo on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 11:32 AM

Your right Stev mo we are tired of your sucking up to a drug addict.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 11:41 AM


RE:Good stuff I'm glad you are so easily amused by a parody of Obama. I am more amused by your hero's hypocrisy. IE Crack addicts and other drug addicts on welfare should go to prison,no ifs ands or buts. Yet when your "hero" gets caught in the ole oxycotin debacle he changes his tune to "I should get rehab and help with my addiction and never spend a minute in jail" He was a hypocrite then, he is a hypocrite now and he will always be a hypocrite. What a hero.

-- Posted by The Central Scrutinizer on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 11:51 AM

Shouldn't have said "we" should have said I.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 11:52 AM


Ok, the guy is an entertainer, so the supporters say. Why is it that his "entertainment" is always taken for fact by those that support him. Notice I didn't say listen to him, because I do know some that listen that disagree with him. Is he not a "shock jock" and it is the name of the game to shock your listeners?? Doesn't make what you are saying fact, just shocking.

I personally feel that if I don't like something on the radio (or TV for that matter) I change the channel. If you don't like what someone or something on these medias, move on and don't listen or watch. The only downside to this are the "followers" that don't get that it's supposed to be entertainment not something to live you life for.

Just my thoughts on Rush.

-- Posted by notsureitssafeinhere on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 11:54 AM

We is fine, you're not by yourself.

-- Posted by The Central Scrutinizer on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 11:55 AM

Off topic:

I have been told and seen on here that it is unpatriotic to not show respect to President Bush because of the office he holds. Would that same idea not apply to US Senators as well? Does not calling Senator Clinton "Hiltery" and Senator Obama "Osoma" equate to some form of bigotry? Where is the respect there? Why isn't Rush held accountable to being disrespectful to the "office" as those apposed to Bush? I'm almost certain his (and others) respect for the Office of the Presidency didn't apply when they were makeing fun of or disagreeing with President Clinton.

Double standards abound.

-- Posted by notsureitssafeinhere on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 12:24 PM

Not that I was a Clintonite, but what about when he was President?

-- Posted by cannedheat on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 12:39 PM

Stev mo: What are your thoughts on Clinton bashing?

-- Posted by cannedheat on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 12:41 PM

I have a question for who ever wants to answer: Does being a Christian mean you aren't human and can't have human emotions, such as anger?

-- Posted by KingsKid on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 12:50 PM

RE: Unpatriotic,

Given the total lack of accountability of this administration, the crimes of this administration against the American people, (NSA wiretapping, the intentional leaking of a CIA operatives true identity, the lies regarding WMDs and yellowcake plutonium, to get us into the war to further enrich the cronies, (Halliburton, Carlyle Group (Bush SR),Enron, the total lack of ability to connect the dots in the days befor 9-11, when GW spent a MONTH at the "RANCH" instead of the Whitehouse, the failure of our nation's security to shoot down not one of FOUR jets.....ETC. I think it is unpatriotic to not speak of impeachment, for ALL involved.

-- Posted by The Central Scrutinizer on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 12:51 PM

Greywolf, I'm not Deloach, but I would like to address the "religious spirit" issue. Christ was actually crucified due to the planning/scheming of people with a religious spirit. They were the religious leaders who talked the talk but never walked the walk, nor did they want anyone else showing them up. Christ was too compassionate, too merciful, and performed way too many miracles for any of these religious people to feel comfortable. They felt threatened because Christ's actions were authoritative, powerful and provided results. To compare Jesus' day with our present day, I would say that a religious spirit is one that causes us to call ourselves Christian even though we bear no "fruit" or evidence that we are living like Christ did. It causes us to ridicule or target those who are compassionate, merciful, kind, have the power to perform miracles, and are actually doing the works of Christ because we don't understand it, we don't want their works to inconvience us in any way, or we don't want to be reminded that we ourselves fall short. I have to agree with Deloach that this spirit is still active, not only in Cape, but anywhere the gospel is preached.

-- Posted by slayer on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 12:53 PM

Sure are a lot of people envious of Rush for being more rich and famous than they are.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 1:21 PM


I will not speculate if others are envious, but I,for one, have no aspirations of being a Holier than thou, overweight, drug addicted, hypocrite.

-- Posted by The Central Scrutinizer on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 1:34 PM


One thing I am not concerning Rush is envious!! Beleive me he can have all the fame and fortune he wants and I wouldn't want to be him. Have my own life and issues to deal with without being a drug addicted loud mouth that can't take the heat he deals out. No thank you.

-- Posted by notsureitssafeinhere on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 1:35 PM

OOPS I sure got it started now!!

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 1:43 PM

Now,Now tamelaj

Calling someone a drug addict is namecalling.

According to the book of compassion, drug addiction is a sickness and should be treated as such with love, sympathy, understanding, and a helping hand.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 2:51 PM

Hilleco: So does Elvis.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 3:41 PM

Thank you Slayer your explination was well received.I will assume this is what Deloach was trying to convey.It seems that what I have always said is true.Religion does nothing but divide people.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 4:02 PM

Central Scrutinizer, you are wise beyond your years (regardless of your age), and I agree 100% with you.

-- Posted by iago on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 4:35 PM

Central Scrutinizer

Is your true identity Al Franken or Michael Moore? Obviously you consult their websites before speaking. Try a multitude of media sources for your information and them use the brain God gave you to think for yourself.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 7:10 PM

Was it wise to try to impeach Clinton for oral? In comparison to those I have mentioned, (and there is more) Clinton's actions paled in comparison. By the way, I have never looked at Al Franken's or Michael Moore's website. It sickens me to think of the Trillions of dollars that have been squandered in Iraq, when we all know that Huessien was not responsible for 9/11. Perhaps the money could be better spent here at home, or waging war on Saudi Arabia.

-- Posted by The Central Scrutinizer on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 7:26 PM


To my understanding the Battle of Cape took place on the corner of Broadway and Caruthers. The Church sits on the land in which the battle took place. There is a small plaque on the Broadway side of the property.

-- Posted by notsureitssafeinhere on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 7:27 PM


Doing well thank you. Hope the light lit up tonight!!

I'm not sure how much property was involved in the battle, though the plaque might say. Have you ever been on the "Civil War tour" of Cape? Not actually a tour, but you can get info from the Chamber of Commerce. When my brother from Calif visited a few years ago we drove around town looking for the different things in Cape. Didn't know about Fort D until then, and it isn't far from my house. The only major disappointment is the fact that the cemetary markers have been allowed to decay to the point of not being able to read most of them. Just a personal opinion.

-- Posted by notsureitssafeinhere on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 7:35 PM

Nice to see that Ballou is back, this time as the Scrutinizer. And by the way, every person except Christ was/is a hypocrite!

-- Posted by John in Jackson on Tue, Oct 23, 2007, at 10:57 PM


what makes you think that I am Michael? I didn't cut and paste anything. It makes me laugh so hard every time we see a holier than thou politician or religious leader etc, that vehemently preaches against the evils of some topic. Only to later be caught doing EXACTLY what they preached against. IE SEN Craig, Rush, Jimmy Swaggert. Jimmy if God was talking to you, telling you to help that prostitute, why didn't he tell you the FBI was watching?

-- Posted by The Central Scrutinizer on Wed, Oct 24, 2007, at 8:24 AM

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