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Speak Out 9/28/07

Friday, September 28, 2007

Marching Tigers

CENTRAL HIGH School's Marching Tigers did it again. The band took first place in its division of seven bands and also outstanding performance of percussion, color guard and drum major. That's great. Keep it up, Tigers.

Ministry for all

REGARDING THE Angel Foods Ministry: This program is for everyone, not just for low-income or elderly people. I purchase it for our family of four because it's a great bargain. By doing so, I am more able to extend hospitality to others who may not have any friends, much money or something along those lines. It's also a fantastic ministry to college students on limited funds. The Angel Foods Ministry causes no traffic problems, no loud noise or anything else that could possibly bother any reasonable person.

Bigger complaints

WE IN Southeast Missouri take a lot for granted. Most of us don't have to worry about going hungry, a roof over our heads, going out and not being killed and our children or grandchildren being safe. That said, the stoplights not working properly, who smokes where, if we should have a water park, dogs not allowed at the fair, why everyone should be strapped in and numerous other minor subjects associated with Speak Out are worth talking about, but we have bigger issues in this country. Let's start with the Iraq debacle. We are in a situation we can't get out of. It doesn't matter if you are for or against the war. We are in it together. It doesn't matter if it was started on a lie or an intelligence failure. We can't win. If we get the Iraqis democracy, they will elect someone we don't want. If we lose, they will have someone we don't want. The problems of health care, immigration, economy (good paying jobs), the devaluation of the dollar, our standing in the world, our dependency on oil and division along party lines are far more important than the minor complaints of Cape Girardeau and Jackson.

Public schools

IT IS wonderful to hear from a teacher who is willing to speak up about the constant bashing public school teachers face. I too find that the vast majority of teachers are conservative, Republicans and Christian. They care about the students they teach. Public schools must take every student and educate him or her to the best of their ability. We don't have the choice of the parochial schools in deciding who we may or may not enroll. We also have the burden of mountains of red tape and regulations to follow. At least be decent enough to be fair when you make comparisons.

It's a condition

HOW INAPPROPRIATE. A Speak Out comment referred to public school teaching of learning-disabled students as "treatment." Learning disabilities are not diseases. They are conditions. The reference to learning-disabled students as receiving "treatment" in public schools makes one wonder if they have adopted some kind of bizarre Big Brotherish mind-control medical model to deal with the learning disabled.

Oughta be a law

PUTNAM COUNTY, N.Y., officials worried that it was unhealthy for people to eat the free doughnuts and desserts that were donated to senior centers, so they outlawed those donations. Think about things like this whenever you think "there should be a law" against anything you do not like for one reason or another. Eliminate alcohol? Restrict our caffeine? Ban hamburgers and fries? Mandatory exercise? No sunbathing? No smoking (but keep buying the cigarettes, because we need those tax dollars)? Government making laws restricting our freedoms should scare us all half to death.

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Your reply about most teachers are republican and christians may explain why our school system is in such a bad condition....................perhaps we need more democrats in the teaching positions. Dont know where you got your statistics. With your statement-there needs to be more research done and soon.

-- Posted by changedname on Fri, Sep 28, 2007, at 7:22 AM

Every public school teacher has to be a democtat. That by itself would explain the lack of teaching in our schools. It's a bundle of liberals brainwashing kids with their political believes.

Go to University and it gets even worse.

-- Posted by interesting on Fri, Sep 28, 2007, at 7:40 AM

The reason public schools have lower test results is a lot to do with public schools have to take every student. Private schools can and do 'weed out' students that have disabilities and learning disorders. So if you take only normal or above normal students it leaves a greater number of students that have a special need in public schools. As much as Notre Dame likes to brag about their students, they don't have students that achieve honors as high as Central students in the past years.

-- Posted by Solelicious on Fri, Sep 28, 2007, at 8:17 AM

Teachers should not be chosen by their political and religious views, but by their ability to convey information to their students in a meaningful way. The person I consider to be the best teacher I ever had was smart enough to keep faith and politics out of the classroom. Nobody in the class could "read" him well, and everybody felt good about it. In the end, it turned out he was a non-religious liberal person, and probably a Democrat as well. According to the post by "interesting" (below), a person with these qualities would not be qualified to teach at all. Interesting...

-- Posted by unilib on Fri, Sep 28, 2007, at 8:52 AM

Let me think!How do you treat a "condition"

Perhaps the answer is "Treatment".There are many things that can contribute to "learning disabilities.Some are behavioral and some are physical and some are mental.We need better places to send these children then a public school system.Matter of fact the public school system is dissabled!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Sep 28, 2007, at 8:53 AM

Where can you get the Angel food at in Cape? I work in Sikeston but live in Cape so it is more convient for me to pick it up in Cape on Saturday instead of driving all the way back to Sikeston on my day off.

-- Posted by BlahBlahBlag on Fri, Sep 28, 2007, at 9:15 AM


Lunch is today at Global Cafe in Cape (1315 Broadway). We normally meet around noon, but people just show up whenever they want.

Progressives, if you've been on the fence about attending, don't be scared. The group that meets is just a regular group of folks from all different backgrounds but who have one goal in mind - promoting progressive ideas in Southeast Missouri and beyond.

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Fri, Sep 28, 2007, at 9:27 AM

Hellico, I think schools won't be better until we get the Empirial Federal Government out of them, and back on the State and local levels. Then it should be made mandatory that they do not Politically Indoctrinate these young impressionable people.

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Fri, Sep 28, 2007, at 9:36 AM

I have a special needs child in a school district (not Cape but not far south) that the school has given up on. The "treatment" we get is harrassment and aleination from the staff because we tried to stand up and fight for her and still are. That school district is disgraceful and should be investigated but I have tried to no avail. Department of Education sides with the school. Jo Ann Emerson says go to the Department of Education. The Principle is an idiot and I am at an impasse and have no idea where to go from here. Its not politics that drives this condition with public schools its pure lazyness by SOME of the teachers that just don't care (I DID NOT SAY ALL SO DO NOT TAKE IT THAT WAY) and when you point out their short comings they blame the parents. What do you do after that?

-- Posted by are_we_having_fun_yet on Fri, Sep 28, 2007, at 11:07 AM


I am sorry to hear about your dillema.Your

right about lazy teachers!There are too many

these days.Your child has a right to public education and I don't understand why your not getting help from Joanne.Typical Republican.Don't get me wrong the Democrats

are just as bad!I hope you get this issue

resolved for your daughter.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Sep 28, 2007, at 12:03 PM

Dexterite: No the reason is because you liberal DEMO have taken away the teachers ability to hold each kid to their actions. You have filled the schools with "Kids have rights" and force them to like everyone life style has cause this mess. Kids have the right to be there and learn that is it. Schools need to go to uniform and hold each kid accountable for their grades. A, B, C, D or fail not "well you missed every answer but we feel sorry for you so here is a passing grade.

-- Posted by freedom1776to2008 on Fri, Sep 28, 2007, at 12:07 PM

Angel Food Ministries helps people. Plain and simple. No matter their religion or paycheck.

The people who oppose the operation of Angel Food Ministries are not acting very Christian.

-- Posted by Mosely on Fri, Sep 28, 2007, at 12:33 PM

Cape 4 life:

You better go and check your stats. Notre Dame has an incredible number of students that achieve many scholarships and honors from some of the finest universities in the country. Their students excel further and faster than a large percent of public school graduates. Just go and ask Brother David about the awards that have been won by Notre dame students. I'm sure he would be proud to deflate your comment.

-- Posted by minute-man on Fri, Sep 28, 2007, at 12:39 PM

The difference between "treatment" and "condition" are that a treatment is for something that can be cured, like a disease (such as the Flu). A condition is something that cannot be cured, only mitigated. I don't know how the school districts here work but the in St. Louis there is a school district devoted to helping individuals in this manner. In many cases their teachers are based in the school district that those students are (which is every single public school district).

-- Posted by AtheneBelle on Fri, Sep 28, 2007, at 12:56 PM

As I stated yesterday - many blame our government for the failure of schools but many want our government controlling our healthcare. Why would someone want our failing government to take on more responsibility when it can not handle it's currently responsibilities?

-- Posted by cal on Fri, Sep 28, 2007, at 1:56 PM

The term "learning disabled" implies that the student can learn if the instructional strategy is appropriate. If a student does not learn from the way that you teach, then teach the way he/she will learn. The students who have needs also have strengths and it is up to instructors etc.to locate the strengths and teach to the strengths.

There is a tendency also to confuse "behavior disorders" with "learning disabilities" and some people even confuse "learning disabilities" with "mental retardation" and this includes some administrators. The fact is that each of these terms have different sets of criteria.

Another trend that should concern us is the rush to medication on the part of schools.

It is alarming how much Psycho tropic medications are given to young students because they aren't performing well in school. This should be taken very seriously and as with any medication there should be constant medical supervision and some other reason than to just make them be quiet in school. Many of these youngsters are taken off these meds during the summer vacation which suggests that they are being given for school convenience.

Many many super-productive people would have been diagnosed as "learning disabled" had they attended school today.

-- Posted by walela on Fri, Sep 28, 2007, at 1:57 PM

ANYONE who would allow a school to dictate that their child should be on medication

should be prosecuted for child abuse!These

medications are being handed out like candy these days.Shame on the schools and shame on any doctor who prescribes them!Go ahead,argue

with that!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Sep 28, 2007, at 2:56 PM

Land of Rock and ticks,

Hail Hitler!!!! Wow, uniformed children in school. Learning only what YOU believe should be taught. Learn the only acceptable way of life is YOURS. Sounds like you want what you are complaining occurs in our school systems now. Let me guess "the lynching tree" wasn't wrong just misunderstood??

Just asking.

-- Posted by notsureitssafeinhere on Fri, Sep 28, 2007, at 3:52 PM


Like I said, Notre Dame has had no National Merit Scholars in the past few years where Cape Central has. You can't deflate that.

-- Posted by Solelicious on Fri, Sep 28, 2007, at 4:53 PM


it is illegal for schools to even suggest that a student be on medication, unless it is brought up by the parents.

-- Posted by Solelicious on Fri, Sep 28, 2007, at 4:55 PM


And like I said Notre Dame students range from the middle up, where public schools have to take the entire range of students. So Notre Dame should have high percentages of achieving student. Notre Dame and Centrals top students are comparable, but for reasons stated earlier Notre Dame will have a higher percentage of grads that go to college.

-- Posted by Solelicious on Fri, Sep 28, 2007, at 5:08 PM

tamelaj, you beat me to it. You bet teachers suggests to parents they put their kids on drugs. I work for the Dept. of mental health and hear that all the time. It's illegal for Mike Vick to kill dogs but no one cared till he got caught, it's the same thing with teachers suggesting parents to drug their kids. A lot of teachers "diagnose" kids with ADD, ADHD, impulse control D/O, etc. and some parents listen to them. WHY would anyone take the advise of a teacher when it comes to their kids and the use of drugs....I DON'T KNOW. I know a lot of parents that have kids with disabilities are at their wits ends and are looking for anything to help. I'm not Tom Cruise but drugs should be the last resort.

While we're on the issue...another reason the public schools are horrible is because the draw of teachers. The department of education in most colleges have the lowest ACT/SAT scores of all departments. And some of you give your kids over to the government to teach your kids. The public schools pay more and are less selective than private schools when choosing teachers. Teachers that teach in private schools are more likely to be there for the kids and not the money. To give a real life example of this...I have a good friend who played football at a local HS, and played football at SEMO. He got a degree in something besides education and was hired this year to coach and teach PE at a LOCAL high school. I know of the alternative teaching certificate but he was hired more on WHO HE IS, and not his credentials. Go government schools.

-- Posted by Dr._Will_B._Inebreated on Fri, Sep 28, 2007, at 7:08 PM

I would like to apply for the job of Director of Cape County Transit Authority. But I haven't seen anything about where to apply or how. I hope I don't have to go thru Doug Richards to get the job done.

-- Posted by olebluehair on Fri, Sep 28, 2007, at 8:56 PM


Your statement has not a leg to stand on. Notre Dame will not turn away any child or parent that really wants to get an education, nor will any of the parochial elementary schools in the area. We had an exchange student from Indonesia who graduated from Notre Dame. You don't have to be rich to send your child there. They have a lot of ways to help with tuition. As far as children with special needs I wouldn't hesitate sending them there.

I disagree, But to be sure that I know what I'm talking about I will call Monday and ask Brother David about National Merit Awards.

-- Posted by minute-man on Fri, Sep 28, 2007, at 9:10 PM


"Teachers that teach in private schools are more likely to be there for the kids and not the money." What a load of crap! Are you kidding? Public school teachers are there for the money? What money? And just for your information - teaching in the public school is more challenging than private - and that's why the private school teachers are there - they have less to deal with. And yes, the money might be a bit less - but the students don't come with all the "issues' that are found in the public schools. Ask them - I have and they will tell you it's a factor.

Again I say - if it's so easy and the pay is so good - why aren't you doing it and why is there a shortage of teachers?

-- Posted by justforfun on Fri, Sep 28, 2007, at 9:13 PM


That was my firts major but changed to Social work. I worked at Cottonwood for 2 1/2 years and worked for over 7 years with the Dept.of mental health and decided I was going to try and get the alt. teaching certificat but there was no school interested in hiring me. I have a lot of experience working with kids with disabilities and had a desire to do so, but could not find the opportunity. I know you will slam me and say I'm not a good canidate or whatever, but what are my options...quite my job and go baack to school....can't do that I have a family and 2 kids.

-- Posted by Dr._Will_B._Inebreated on Sat, Sep 29, 2007, at 10:56 AM

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