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Speak Out 9/27/07

Thursday, September 27, 2007

CHS soccer issues

I'D LIKE to know what's going on at Central High School with so much money being spent at the soccer field with the outdoor restrooms that are being planned when there are already fine facilities not 50 feet from the soccer field. There already is a fine concession stand arrangement. The softball fields have had lights for a couple of years that haven't been used because there's no electricity. They haven't been able to complete a junior varsity game for years because it gets dark when the girls are halfway through the game. I wish there could be some better appropriation of funds. The school board could look into that. I can't get an answer from the school board, and Speak Out seems to be the forum in which some of the officials seem to respond.

Jackson grading

I DON'T like the way Jackson High School will be doing the grading. As a parent, I like to be able to say to my child, "You didn't get it this quarter. Next quarter, let's give it a fresh start." Sometimes that perks my child up. They do much better the next quarter. I don't know who's harebrained idea the new grading system was, but I don't like it.

Same treatment

I READ David Limbaugh's column about moveon.org, and I agree. Moveon.org went overboard on Gen. David Petraeus. Why doesn't Limbaugh talk about Max Cleveland and what the Republican Party did to him? And what about the swift boat accusations and what the GOP did to John Kerry?

Great photograph

THE PHOTOGRAPH on the front page of Friday's Southeast Missourian of Carole Buck with Jack Buck's image in the background is an awarding-winning photograph. It appears that he's looking right over at his wife. That's a beauty.

Extra pickup

I LIVE in Jackson, and I know the city won't pick up cardboard and paper. My neighbor who works for the city had cardboard inside a cardboard box, and it was picked up. So I put some cardboard in a cardboard box. The city did not pick mine up. Why does the city employee get special treatment?

Tough competition

AFTER READING the results of the draft horse competition at the SEMO District Fair, it was gratifying to see that a local family, the Mangels family of Oak Ridge, doing so well. They win consistently under stiff competition. One member was heard to say, "The tougher it is, the better I like it." Let me congratulate the Mangels family on their expert horsemanship.

Sports attire

HOW CAN schools set up school dress codes if some schools don't have dress codes in girls' sports? I would think girls' midriffs should always be covered for sports. Shirts should be long enough, and shorts shouldn't be too tight. It doesn't seem decent how volleyball players are dressed to represent their school.

Loaded with pork

I READ where President Bush vows to veto any bill that will provide free health care to children from low-income families. Yet he's allowed his cohorts to push through bill after bill loaded with pork and wasted taxpayer dollars -- not to mention the money that's been lost and can't be accounted for. I can't recall the last time we've ever had such a compassionate president.

No Mizzou football

HOW SAD it is that living in Cape Girardeau we cannot get the Mizzou football games on radio or on any of the local channels or sports channels.

Grand old Broadway

BROADWAY IS indeed in sad shape. It's not anything for us to be proud of. If we can spend money over by the bridge and River Campus with lighting and street pavers, why can't we do something to fix up Broadway? Why can't we make her the grand old Broadway of her heyday, a grand thoroughfare? Let's not always be so quick to throw away our treasures in favor of new fashion. Preserve Cape Girardeau's history.

Government control

I HOPE everyone read Rudi Keller's column in the business edition of Monday's paper about Esicar's closing. It is truly sad that after 70 years, read between the lines, the government is shutting Esicar's down due to regulations. I think it's about time we take back our government and start getting a little control back in our hands and not the government's.

Great fair in Altenburg

I WANTED to thank the East Perry County Fair Board for a wonderful time this past weekend at the fair in Altenburg, Mo. I took my family Friday night and had such a great time that we went back Saturday. Thank you for a wonderful time.

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Re: Same Treatment

The difference between a General in our Armed Forces who, in the course of his duty as the commander of our troops on the battle field, is called to testify before Congress regarding the progress of our troops in their mission and is labeled a liar before he even speaks, and a politician who chose to place himself in the realm of public discussion by making claims about himself in a campaign which some people may disagree with is just that. The military commander cannot speak out to defend himself in the same way a politician can. Also, in the case of the John Kerry swift boat ads, these were men who served with and under Kerry speaking out against him and his "war hero" status, a claim which he made about himself in the course of his campaign...and based a large part of his campaign on this claim....and as such opened the door for people who knew him in the war to speak out against him on this claim, whereas the moveon.org ad was placed by folks who have probably never met, never spoken with, and never had any dealings with the General whom they referred to in that ad. There is a HUGE difference. Whereas one man opened the door for rebuttal against his claims, the other was attacked based solely the Commander in Chief to which the man answers.

-- Posted by dixietrucker on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 3:10 AM

I can't believe there are still people in America who defend Bush and the evil he's committed in the past 7 years.

But knowing that those people do exist, I'm not surprised that they're in Southeast Missouri.

-- Posted by godblessmurrika on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 3:29 AM

I must not be reading the same Speak Out as you, because I do not see anywhere in this column where anyone has defended Bush as of yet today...

-- Posted by dixietrucker on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 3:59 AM

I ref HS basketball and ump HS softball. You would not believe the rule changes every year that are focused just on uniform wear. In fact in the quarterly journal I got from either NFHS there was an article about just the speak out writers concern. A lot of the rules are related to fads in clothing and piercings. In the end it is the responsibility of the coaches to police this, then if they fail to do their part, the official must be the bad guy or girl and make sure little Johnny or Suzie knows to keep their shirt tucked and underwear hidden.

-- Posted by Dr._Will_B._Inebreated on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 5:47 AM

Dixietrucker: I disagree with the moveon. org ad. However, if you can't see what the Republican party has done to real combat vets than you have a problem. Sen. John McCain, Sen. John Kerry, Sen. Max Cleland, and any others who got in the way of the right wing takeover of the Republican party. Bush is hiding behind a General. Who is the commander in chief? Who is the decider? Who is the one to speak clearly and truthfully? I can tell you this, let that deserter stand up one time and tell the truth about his military service. Which will you take as truth, a man's word or the military record? If you don't take the military record then you are blasting Gen. Petraeus also. He has a military record.

From the guy who wrote the book, only one of the accusers in the swift boat ad actually served with Kerry. The others were on other boats and don't know what happened. Let them come forward and tell the truth.

Impeach Bush!!!

-- Posted by cannedheat on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 6:01 AM

We can all blaim Bush, but look at the alternative. I am glad we did not end up with Al Gore winning the elections in 2000. Can you imagine.

Eight years of Gore would have ruined our economy.

I do believe Bush does.an outstanding job getting our country through rough times I don't believe we invaded iraq for oil, simply because there's more oil in canada than in the middle east.

-- Posted by interesting on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 6:27 AM

You who complain about Bush, we will see in two years how you fair if you get your at election time. Clinton is a joke and so is Barrack or Hussein or what ever his name is. Pelosi and Reed 11% approval rating defend that you goofs.

-- Posted by Wilsonite on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 7:14 AM

Canned heat,

Thats the way politics works you know-impose your will over the will of your political opponents!

Sen. John McCain, Sen. John Kerry, & Sen. Max Cleland all CHOSE TO BE IN THE POLITICAL SPOTLIGHT! They gave up their right to sue-for and be-sued-for liable when they became public, political figures. What others, that are not in the political spotlight, have the Republicans attacked?

Funny also, how you use the throw-away line Impeach Bush!!! all the time. You haven't thought that one all the way through have you? If Bush is Impeached, you get Cheney! You go from the so-called idiot, lieing, stupid puppet to the so-called puppet master! I would be happy for this to happen, Cheney to take over the war I mean. Maybe we would take out I'm-a-nut-job from Iran, and get real serious about winning these wars.


I find it sad that you are too focused on your hatred of the president (or just too stupid) to realize that an active general MUST say that his troops are doing well and will do even better. Otherwise what kind of General (leader) would he be? What troops would follow him if he called his underlings unsuccessful and unable to win?

I also disagree that the surge is not working; several Democrat politicians and even media people have come back from Iraq saying they have seen a difference.

Also Nick, what's wrong with being a Zionist? What's wrong with supporting a nation called Isreal?

*** Kate Lipke update***

Came thru open-heart surgery o.k. Nurses are very encourage with her condition. If all goes well today and tommorrow the doctor may be able to close her chest. Keep up the prayers.

-- Posted by John in Jackson on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 7:25 AM

With MJB gone, a few folks are stepping up to the plate to continue his rudeness. Just because someone has a different opinion from yours doesn't make them stupid or an idiot or anything else. The constant name-calling and viciousness here speaks volumes about the speaker, not the ones they're referring to.

-- Posted by SEMOfan80 on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 7:55 AM

I don't believe Iraq is about oil, i don't believe it's about weapons of mass destruction either. Iraq is the theater of a war on terror. A war Clinton refused to fight.

We have to agree that America is hated by many. THe reason is envy. American is being envied, and the only reason to deal with is, is to hate.

So we need to make a choice were to fight the war. New York, Los Angeles or Iraq, Afganistan.

-- Posted by interesting on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 7:56 AM

Al Gore doesn't look like George Washington, he looks like he ate George Washington. Gore has become a king of self promotion more comparable to P.T. Barnum than the father of our nation. A slide show full of half truths and fear mongering now is shown in schools as if it was fact. Gore's post VP success that has seen his personal fortune grow from 1 million dollars to a hundred million in just a few years just reminds us of Barnum's quote. There's a sucker born every minute. Make that lots of suckers.

-- Posted by stevmo on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 8:23 AM


The thing to understand about the insurgents of Iraq is that when we removed Saddam, we opened their country up to an civil war that has been brewing for some time now. The tribes you constantly hear about on the news have been outwardly violent to one another for a thousand years. No amount of "democracy" is going to end this violence. Our best course of action is to end our police occupation and return home.

If you are truly concerned about safety here at home, then support bringing home our national guard and having them secure our borders. Sure seems like better use of our man (and woman) power then having them be traffic cops thousands of miles from home.

The "fight them there, so we don't have to fight them here" argument is moot considering that Bush and company won't even do the most basic things to secure our national borders and even went as far as pushing forth a middle easter consortium to control our dock/shipping security and want a Dubai company to take a significant stake in the ownership of our own stock market.

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 8:58 AM


It is your patriotic duty to "correct" those who would poison and destroy our country with dangerous delusions like the ones interesting and peacekeeper spread.

Bush apologists have had it too good for too long.

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 9:03 AM


In response to:

"Some are uninsurable, by this I mean the insurance company will not sell their product to an individual who is unhealthy (cancer, heart, autoimmune disease etc), or they will offer a policy at such an unaffordable price the individual can not afford it. "

Look up Missouri Health Insurance Pool. I have worked with this program on many, many levels and it works. I also understand that many insurance companies themselves donated money to this fund to help those in need.

Another showing of how having insurance is worth the premium and how it works for the poeple.

In the 80's my grandfather had medical condition. He had dropped the insurance stating " we are not that sick and never use it. Well after paying the $80,000 hospital bill out of retirement savings he got insurance it was worth the expense.

1995 I had a baby - I had insurance, but no maternity. $10,000 and seven years later I finally had that baby paid off!

2002 I had a baby - I had insurance, this time I had maternity. Paid $500 out of pocket. The hospital bill was over $10,000 the insurance company contracted it down to $3000. I am so glad that I didn't have to pay another $10,000.

Premie baby - in the hospital for 3 months - $600,000 worth of bills. Insurance premium paid. Owed $4,500 out of pocket - insuranc covered the rest.

I will live in my little house, not eat out as much, invite my friends over instead of going out and pay my premium to the health care industry. I will help the fat getter fatter as you say - as long as they keep helping and saving my family.

As with everything there are two sides to every story. The healthcare system does not work for everybody, the school system does not help every kid and the wellfare system does not help all the poor. We can debate till the world stops turning, but in the end we must all work as hard as we can within our means to make the world and its systems work for us.

-- Posted by Katherine Elfrink on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 9:03 AM

"Behave...everyone on here has a right to their opinion."

Unless you're MJB that is.

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 9:06 AM

I agree with the caller about the Altenberg Fair. I love it. I am more apt to take my family there, than the SEMO Fair. The last time we went to the SEMO Fair, we spent nearly eighty dollars on food, for only four people. Thats what I spend at Red Lobster. Last weekend at the East Perry County Fair, I only spent twenty five for six people, The cheese sandwichs are AWESOME. Thanks East Perry County Fair Committee for another GREAT YEAR. Thanks Again.

-- Posted by youareabunchaspunks on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 9:07 AM


Indeed we are all responsible for our countries insatiable need for oil. So why do you think there is so much resistance to alternative fuels? Bush and Company have (scaled for inflation) spent the least amount on alternative energy of any president in the last 30 years. Why? Because it's easier to steal than it is to earn.

The media (influenced and in many cases controlled by oil companies) have done their best to create fear, uncertainty, and doubt about alternative fuels. How many stories of engine damage in E85 vehicles and the "dangers" of hydrogen powered cars or "Hindenbergs" as one magazine called them have you seen in the past 3 years versus the number of articles promoting them? Outside the pages of Popular Science that is....

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 9:16 AM


Your post hits home for me.My wife has been

in the hospital for 27 days,open heart surgery,pacemaker and hematoma.Her insurance

which she has to pay 1/2 the premium is indeed 1500$ deduct plus 3000 out of pocket.

Yep it will be very difficult to pay these bills.But pay them I must.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 9:27 AM

Another great post by Hilleco.

No Government run health care system!

That would be a disaster.There has to be

a better solution.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 9:53 AM

Not all military people are the same. Foot soldiers called grunts have a different take on things compared to the officer corp. Grunts are like the rest of the population. Some are intelligent. Some are not so. Some think. Some do not. Some read and try to reason. Some follow what the officer tells them. All must obey orders. Gen. Petraeus had to follow orders. But he also must keep his job. If he did not do what Bush wanted then he would be retired. Just like the rest who did not agree. As far as Kerry and the others mentioned here I will believe the records more than I believe people talking about them. I have seen awards given out and reviewed them to make sure they were correct. As has be commented on before a lot of this could be cleared up with the papers being released to show who is lieing and who is telling the truth.

-- Posted by oldvet on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 10:17 AM

Why can't the United States provide healthcare for everyone like Canada does? It all boils down to the almighty dollar!! This country that we live in is very wasteful and unappreciative, nobody is ever satisfied. Alot of people try to outdo one another and that is why people are so far in debt, in the 60's and 70's things were a whole lot better, people had respect for one another and they also helped each other, now what do you have, pure insanity!!!

-- Posted by angelkittycat on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 10:31 AM

Good post Hilleco, That is my thought exactly....why would anyone want the g'ment to have control of their healthcare. I guess it takes responsibility away from them, and they don't have to pay the bills. Anyway.. good post.

-- Posted by Dr._Will_B._Inebreated on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 10:33 AM

Good post Hilleco, That is my thought exactly....why would anyone want the g'ment to have control of their healthcare. I guess it takes responsibility away from them, and they don't have to pay the bills. Anyway.. good post.

-- Posted by Dr._Will_B._Inebreated on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 10:33 AM

Sure, bash me for supporting the war abroad. I don't care if you attack me, but why won't you listen to oposite views.

I just ask the questions. Why didn't Clinton take care of Bin Laden? Why did he not reduce our dependendy on oil, after all he sold the strategic oil reserves to lower our prices at the pump. Why did Kerry use his military career as part of his campaign. Why do we care what France thinks? Why does Barrack Obama hide his moslim roots?

-- Posted by interesting on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 10:41 AM

Max Cleland and John Kerry can defend themselves, an active duty General cannot.

-- Posted by Elder on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 10:51 AM

As always nice of us to stay on topic:

Fine Iraq is about oil. Don't see too many solar powered cars on the road. It would be nice to have a fleet of Delorians installed with Flux Capacitors.

Would be a great world if we could use some of that **** oil that is on our soil (hey, that rhymes), but we can't because the Alaskan Bowl Weevil (made up animal) will be offended.

So we got to wait for GM to stop striking because we sure need those unions now, to pump out new cars that get better gas mileage, but lessen their crash safety rating in the process. Which are crappy, so here comes Honda and those Hybrid cars that are SOOOOO eco friendly. Yeah, right.

Lets keep our anger focused, its Bush's fault that Ford mass produced the car that we all became addicted to, and Rockefeller for pushing oil instead of coal at the turn of the century.

Iraq is about oil. About 8% of our total import at last count. So change your habits. I drive for a living. I can start pulling my loads down the road (nice visual) and save some gas. But you have to think, down the road, the government would shell out some hefty payments for insurance. I would be a broken mess for trying to save the environment. Back pain, joints, neck injury, and I'd have to live off of welfare because no one would hire me. Who would hire a guy that didn't drive? My family would have to go on Medicaid...on and on.

I'd like to quote MJ (Mike Jackson) "I'm starting with the man in the mirror. I'm asking him to change his ways." (A little ironic for MJ). Back on topic, if this whole war is about oil? What else can we do to lessen dependency?

RE: Mizzou Football...this is Indian Country (OOPs) this is Redhawk Country! We're **** proud of our Red/Hawks.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 10:55 AM


I'm not defending Clinton. He had opportunities to kill Bin Laden and chose not to as to not offend the Saudi Royals that Bin Laden hung out with. I'd also like to think it was a professional courtesy since he hadn't cashed a couple of the checks that Reagan gave him for killing Soviets in Afghanistan when he was helping us fight the cold war. If you are concerned about why he attacked us, it's because of our interference on Arabian peninsula. We leave, they stop attacking. Seems like an easy solution to a complex problem.

Why did Kerry use his military service as part of his campaign? Because he honorable served his country in a time of war. This is in opposition to Bush who chick hawked his way into the national guard and then only flew obsolete air craft to avoid deployment and then lost his flight privileges for refusing to take a drug test.

Why do we care what France thinks? We don't.. and frankly so what? Does the situation require a bunch of NASCAR huffing, knuckle dragging morons running around calling things FREEDOM fries and FREEDOM dressing? No. Should we look to members of the European Union for assistance in doing some actual good in the world by deal with the situation in Darfur? Yes, So why burn bridges?

Why did Barrack Obama hide his Muslim roots? His father is a former member of the muslim faith, but is now an atheist. It shows your myopic world view that you would even try and mention this in a negative way. I think it's much more interesting that Prescot Bush (GW's grandpa) as well as Schwarzenegger's dad were either members of the Nazi party or strong party supporters.

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 11:16 AM


The problem with me not listening to your "oposite views", is because your understanding of these issues is based on soundbites from the neocons that would destroy this country.

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 11:19 AM

What ever happened to this section being comments on the speak out? It's always the same thing. Long winded know it all's rambling the same thing everyday about the same off topic issues. *sigh*

-- Posted by allen6177 on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 11:28 AM

I am tired of the protests and the anti war crowd spewing their hate at the President and our brave warriors. No one likes war, but sometimes turning the other cheek will not work. When I get upset from all the trash I read I like to think of a poem written by Charles M. Province. This should be required reading for everyone.

It is the Soldier, not the minister

Who has given us freedom of religion.

It is the Soldier, not the reporter

Who has given us freedom of the press.

It is the Soldier, not the poet

Who has given us freedom of speech.

It is the Soldier, not the campus organizer

Who has given us freedom to protest.

It is the Soldier, not the lawyer

Who has given us the right to a fair trial.

It is the Soldier, not the politician

Who has given us the right to vote.

It is the Soldier who salutes the flag,

Who serves beneath the flag,

And whose coffin is draped by the flag,

Who allows the protester to burn the flag.

Think about it!

-- Posted by hotshot202 on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 11:31 AM

Bush has had so many of his records purged his life is bulimic.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 12:29 PM


"NASCAR huffing, knuckle dragging morons running around calling things FREEDOM fries and FREEDOM dressing."

Hilarious! Good one!

But seriously, like the man said (allen6177) we need to stop discussing those things that are not on the topic for the day. It is outside the parameters of this discussion forum and hinders free day to day thought. So end your free thought and let's talk about the unfair cardboard trash pickup or the cool picture of "Carole Buck with Jack Buck's image in the background." Yippe!

It's kind of like censorship.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 12:35 PM

I agree. We need to stay on topic here. I am tired of you people talking about things which will have an impact on this country for only the next 50 yrs or so. I want to talk about the water park and dogs at the fair.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 12:39 PM

Even though I'm not completely innocent, I'm going to agree with allen6177. You all are becoming entirely too redundant. If the comments are from the previous day, then keep them on that blog; it's still available, you know. But I digress, if this newspaper would just invest $160 (and an additonal $30 per annum if this newspaper chooses to keep the software up to date), we could have a top-notch forum where all of everyone's thoughts could be organized:


Come on, Rust Family, I know you can afford it.

-- Posted by ynot on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 1:02 PM

Got to run later I hope keep the comments coming, I learn something everyday.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 1:10 PM

I don't think the reason we Americans are hated is driven by envy.

-- Posted by iago on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 1:40 PM

Tamelaj, Yesterday you made the comment that people are being turned away from healthcare. Where and Who? No person in this country can be turned away from emergency medical care. If you want Socialized Healthcare so badly because you think people are being turned away here take a good look at England right now. They are going to stop paying for epidurals for pregnancy because they can't afford it (the government run system). If you want the possibility of Health Care Rationing here in this country I feel sorry for you.

And the number one question for anyone who wants Socialized Healthcare is why would you want to give the Emperial Federal Government total control over your life by letting them decide what you need health wise.

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 1:43 PM

Here is something I found very helpful today.

Walmart's pharmacy offers 4$ prescriptions

for anyone.The list of drugs available at that price are on their walmart pharmacy

site in the net.Print it and you will find

a huge amount of generic drugs from cardiac to antibiotics.I have insurance which includes pharmacy co-pays and most of my wifes mecications 10 in all are cheaper at walmart then using my prescription card.

Just a fyi to anyone who may not be aware.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 2:07 PM


I'll one up your patriotism....

It is the Constitution, not the minister, who has given us freedom of religion.

It is the Constitution, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press.

It is the Constitution, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech.

It is the Constitution, not the campus, organizer, who has given us freedom to protest.

It is the Constitution, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial.

It is the Constitution, not the politician, who has given us the right to vote.

It is the Constitution, not the self righteous, armchair generals, who allows the protester to burn the flag.

It is the voter who salutes the flag,

Who serves beneath the flag,

And who should fight to end the senseless killing of our servicemen and women.

Now, think about THAT.

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 2:25 PM


I was not aware of that either.Guess I am

not paying attention.Walmart's quantities

in her case are going to save us 4$ each

prescription.Her generic copay is 8$.This

will save me 32$ a month for 2 months.I will

check k-mart and target.K-mart would be most convienent for me so I will check their pharmacy.Thanks Tamelaj

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 3:00 PM


The Constitution is the rule of law in America (for how long?), but how is the constitution enforced?

Through the minister that gets reported by the journalist about sexually assaulting the youngster at the college campus watching the poet who bangs out a rhythmic rant while the politician lines his/her pockets from his/her lawyer buddy that is an ambulance chaser?

Ultimately, the government's job is to provide protection to it's citizen's so they can do what they can to get by...life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, unless what makes you happy, makes someone else UNHAPPY then it cannot be Constitutional to be HAPPY in the first place. Because not everyone can be happy at the same time or for the same reason. The Constitution doesn't cover FEELINGS. That's what the lawyers are for.

Just take a Prozac, but that's offensive to recovering junkies.

MJB...a true salesman. HA!

-- Posted by fajar154 on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 3:17 PM


You are completely on point regarding government can and will eliminate items they think are not medically neccessary if they do not want to pay. Not only has England decided not to pay for epidurals, our own state's Medicad program does not pay for epidurals either. Nor do they pay for circumcisions.

-- Posted by cal on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 3:22 PM

Just noticed a funny link between the comments today. Some are slamming our government's involvement in school and others are saying they want our government involved in healthcare. Has our government ever done anything good with what they were/are involved in?

-- Posted by cal on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 3:27 PM

Tarantulas: You are correct in stating the Constitution is the driving force for our freedoms. Every country has soldiers but not all countries have our freedoms. If not for the constitution we would be nothing. If not for our right to free speech we would be Iran.

-- Posted by oldvet on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 3:27 PM

Sure, bash me for supporting the war abroad. I don't care if you attack me, but why won't you listen to oposite views.

I just ask the questions. Why didn't Clinton take care of Bin Laden? Why did he not reduce our dependendy on oil, after all he sold the strategic oil reserves to lower our prices at the pump. Why did Kerry use his military career as part of his campaign. Why do we care what France thinks? Why does Barrack Obama hide his moslim roots?

-- Posted by interesting on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 4:30 PM

maybe it's time we start calling the puppy by its name. Moslis hate christians. Always have, alway will. Nothing to do with oil. We were fighting wars with them for 1200years now. Simply said, christianity and Islam shares several holy places and we have been fighting over them.

I don't mind barrack obama acting like a christian, but why hide his moslim roots. The fact that GW's grandfather was a member of the Nazi party does not bother me. Back then you either joined or else. Kind of like Iraq, Afganistan.

What we need to agree on is that we live in the greatest country on earth and we should be proud that we can disagree.

For my money I hope Fred Thompson will be he next president, but you are all entitled to your opinions. That's called Freedom.

We, the people, elected a president and as a result we have to deal with it. Like it.

President Bush in mu opinion is an average president. Nobody will be able to inspire like Raegan did.

But my most important value is that we need to keep government out of our schools, our healthinsurance and everywhere else we can.

-- Posted by interesting on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 4:44 PM

Good Afternoon everyone,

Just a thought.... I know no one can be turned away from the ER even if they can't pay. I work for a local hospital. But just because you get the care needed, doesn't not mean the hospital isn't going to hunt you down and take your first born son. Believe me, I have seen how my hospital goes after people that can't pay. You are not getting free healthcare just because you were seen in the ER.

Oh that note, Greywolf, hope Mrs. Greywolf is doing well on her recovery. Just might want to check with the business office of the hospital she is at when you get the final bill. (after insurance and any co-insurance payment.) I know I just said they will hunt down nonpayers, I am not calling you one, but sometimes the business office will workout things with you. Just have to be honest and upfront with them about your cituation. In some cases (not all) they have assistance possible in paying a large hospital bill. If you want, can get you more info, just not on here.

Thanks for letting me ramble, Respectfully,

-- Posted by notsureitssafeinhere on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 4:54 PM


Hope your brother's name lights up for you this evening!!!!!!!!!! And every evening until he comes home!!

-- Posted by notsureitssafeinhere on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 6:00 PM

John Kerry was decorated four times by the greatest country in the world for his service as a swift boat captain in Vietnam, a very dangerous job. He received the silver star, bronze star, and two purple hearts. If you don't think he deserved them, why don't you take up your gripe with the military which you so vigorously support and who determined that he did indeed deserve to be decorated for his bravery and sacrifice? What you're saying is that the military lied and falsified his record, granted him medals he didn't truly earn. This casts doubt on the awards and commendations of every hero of every war. Every time I hear of a local soldier who receives a Purple Heart, I wonder if some day in their future these young heroes will ever have to withstand the insults and accusations of dishonesty by naysayers, just like Senator Kerry did. If you ever read the testimony of the one man who served with Kerry and yet criticized him so harshly, it's obvious this man was painfully jealous of the acclaim which Kerry received. It was hard to watch these dogs bring down this honorable soldier. Those who actually were there and had first-hand knowledge of the truth were behind Kerry 100 percent, and they outnumbered this Republican hit squad. When certain people have a political agenda and have a campaign to win, the slogan "Support the Troops" quickly falls by the wayside. What they really mean is "Support the Troops Who Return Home and Become Republicans."

-- Posted by grisgris on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 6:26 PM

Fedup: Thank you I am not so good with the words but you put in the way I would have liked to said it.

-- Posted by oldvet on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 6:31 PM

The people I know of the Muslim faith do not hate me. They are in fact very nice people. It is and always will be the extremist of all religions that are hateful to people of other faiths. Rev.Phelps comes to mind on the Christian side of the debate. Just my humble opinion.

-- Posted by notsureitssafeinhere on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 7:25 PM

Hey Nick, who needs Michael when we have you, right? Only someone filled with that kind of hatred could post as you do. Is there anyone at all you don't hate? Oh, right, there is Ron Paul, isn't there.

-- Posted by KingsKid on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 7:32 PM


youtube, a great source for fractural information.

I mean factual information.

This is the definintion of Zionism from the American Heritage Dictionary- a noted actual piece of reference material -"A Jewish movement that arose in the late 19th century in response to growing anti-Semitism and sought to reestablish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Modern Zionism is concerned with the support and development of the state of Israel. "

Your "definition" of Zionism is a joke, but not a funny one.

-- Posted by John in Jackson on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 8:50 PM


Did you ever find out about the friday lunch plans?

-- Posted by notsureitssafeinhere on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 10:22 PM

Nick Charles:

Try and make it if you can... It's a good group of progressive folks who meet.

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Thu, Sep 27, 2007, at 11:50 PM

Ok, couldn't get on the pc late last night so hopefully someone will let me know. Is it 11:30 or 12:30 for lunch?? Was thinking of showing up, but don't want to miss everyone. Thanks.

-- Posted by notsureitssafeinhere on Fri, Sep 28, 2007, at 8:20 AM

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