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Speak Out 9/20/07

Thursday, September 20, 2007

Using the pool

SOME PEOPLE still think the Central Pool is solely a recreation facility used to get a tan in the summer. They forget the pool is used year-around by high schools and swim clubs around the area and also by many people who enjoy water sports. I agree that a permanent structure to keep the pool usable should be a priority of the parks and recreation department.

Bronson is better

I KNOW this comes across as sexist, but when it comes to vigilantes, I prefer Charles Bronson to Jodi Foster.

Deserve better pay

I'M GLAD to see law enforcement could be going union in our region. I'm for it, because these men and women need some type of representation, and it gives them the opportunity to work toward better pay scales, which they deserve. Southeast Missouri law enforcement officers are some of the lowest paid in Missouri, and they deserve better than that.

Which nations?

David Limbaugh, tell the American people the 36 nations that are helping us in Iraq. Nobody else seems to know. Maybe you do.

Waiting at stoplights

HERE IT is 6:15 in the morning with not another vehicle around, and we're sitting at the stoplights at Mount Auburn Road and Bloomfield Road. We're waiting for phantom cars When these lights were put in, we were promised they would be up-to-date and we wouldn't have to wait on cars that were nowhere to be found. What's wrong with these lights? Let's get them working, please.

Safer to merge

IT'S MUCH safer to merge from the center lane than to drive all the way across three or four lanes of traffic. I would much rather use it as a merge lane and get a ticket than have an accident. I would like Jackson to reconsider and maybe even change the law where we can use the center lane legally, because I will continue to use it as a merge lane rather than have an accident.

Wonderful leader

I WANT to comment about Floyd Penny, the fellow who is raising chickens and teaching his daughter and granddaughter how to raise them. I've known him for a while. He's just done a lot of things. He's delivered food to hungry people who couldn't afford it. I remember he went in on a hail of bullets on Morgan Oak Street to break up a robbery. It's wonderful to have a leader like this, someone who will teach his children to raise these animals. This is the kind of people we need in this country.

Illegal parking

IT'S PLAIN to see the city wasted its money putting up "No parking' signs in the western part of town during the SEMO District Fair. Every night there was a wrecker parked on Luce Street. There were cars parked on Pindwood Lane and Hemlock Street. It's a waste to put up the signs if the police are not going to enforce the no-parking rule.

Blocking the view

TO THE people who complain about cell phone users in automobiles: Tinted windows are more dangerous. I find tinted windows to be inappropriate, especially in this age of terrorism, Windows should be clear so you can see everyone in the car.

Respect for flag

CAPE BUSINESS owners, if you're going to fly an American flag, please make a point of checking it to see what kind of condition it is. For example, there is a flag flying at one business in horrible disrepair. It's ripped, and it's a disgrace to have it up. The Missouri flag there isn't much better. Check your flags and show the flag some respect.

Thanks for concert

MANY THANKS to the Jackson banks and the Cashbook Journal for bringing Saxy Jazz Transitions to the Jackson Park. This group of musicians put on an outstanding concert. I hope our local businesses will bring them back in the future. It was great fun for the entire family.

School bullying

I AGREE with the comments about teacher and staff bullying at Central Junior High School. My daughter has never been in trouble and is a straight-A student. She has come home several times concerned about behavior she has seen from teachers and other staff members. Teachers make cruel comments about students and their grades in front of their peers. This is ridiculous. I called the principal. He said this was not true. How interesting that he didn't even bother to check it out. There's no reason for a student to be afraid to turn in work or ask a question, but that's the situation my daughter and other children are faced with every day.

Treatment of animals

"THE TIME will come when men ... will look on the murders of animals as they now look on the murders of men." -- Leonardo da Vinci. "We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals." -- Immanuel Kant. Apparently humanity still has a long way to go on the actions and thinking on this subject. How sad.

Social reality

EUROPE'S ECONOMY is not better than ours. Unemployment there is substantially higher than ours, double digits in many places. We still have the highest productivity in the First World. We still have the best, most efficient health care. There is one thing the Europeans have that we do not: an average tax rate of 40 percent.

Manners in Chaffee

WHILE DRIVING home I saw two boys throw trash in an elderly man's yard. When the man said something to the boys, they made a rude gesture and kept walking. This is how things are in Chaffee. I asked a young man to move out of the road one evening so I could get by. He said, "You want a beating, old man?" This was in the middle of town. This city needs to elect people to city positions who will do something for the betterment of the city.

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BLOCKING THE VIEW: I would rather meet 100 cars on the road with tinted windows than 1 with a female on a cell phone.

-- Posted by lance623 on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 5:40 AM

If I got threatened like that in Chaffee, this is what the dialog would look like:

"I'm sorry officer, It was an accident. When he threatened me, I reached over to roll up my window & lock the door, when my foot accidentally hit the gas. I called 911 just as soon as I found my cell phone, which was knocked onto the floor and under the seat. I hope He will be OK"

-- Posted by mutt_jdr on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 6:54 AM

Manners are bad every where. I was at Rhoads last night in Cape and a kind Gentelman helped a lady chainge her tire. After he was done the lady asked him for 5 dollars. The gentelman said "no" so she thanked him with a (F/U) and sped off. What is wrong with people thiese days?

-- Posted by Dan Riley on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 7:12 AM

Treatment of animals: What about a country that thinks it has a right to kill it's innocent unborn children? All the animal lovers need to keep things in perspective.

-- Posted by stevmo on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 7:14 AM

Hey Smokey Smokerson, it takes a day or two for the speakout people to publish new comments.

-- Posted by QT-PIE on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 7:23 AM

This is a good week everything is on topic I LOVE IT. Instead of picking on Chaffee all the time why doesn't the paper come and look at all the corruption in Scott City especially at Scott City School and the policy department now there's a story!!!

-- Posted by are_we_having_fun_yet on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 7:25 AM

lance623 - I've seen plenty of men driving while talking on the cell and doing a poor job of both. Don't limit your comments to women.

-- Posted by farmwife1 on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 9:14 AM

How interesting that the bubble breaks down right when there is discussion of how much money should be devoted to it. All the schools are forced to practice elsewhere and the community feels bad and dumps more money into a failling swimming pool.

-- Posted by cal on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 10:32 AM

This is the reason using the center turn lane as a merge lane is bad. A car is waiting to pull out and turn left. They look to their left and see a group of cars approaching but they can beat them to the turn lane. They look to the right and see a window of opportunity to merge. They look back left and see yes, I can beat them. The car pulls out accelerating in the center turn lane looking behind them or to their side focussing on the merge window but one of the cars in the group comming from the left pulls into the turn lane to turn left and wham head on collision.

When two cars from opposite directions attempt to enter the center turn lane they both are able to see each other and are in the process of slowing down already so the head on collision is diverted.

A better solution to traffic problems would be to widen the area, take out the center turn lane and introduce small side streets in the high traffic areas using traffic lights. Or build streets behind the restaurants and stores parallel to the existing street that funnel cars to small perpindicular streets with traffic lights.

-- Posted by cal on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 10:53 AM

RE: love politics

Why not just put traffic lights in?

RE: lance623

Don't generalize, it makes you look stupid. I see just as many men using a cell phone when they are driving their car.

RE: Deserve better pay

Just as long as they don't do like MOST (not all) unions and charge too much for wage and end up doing a crappy job and can't get fired for it.

RE: Blocking the view

I really don't understand this comment, it's bizarre. Who cares if you cannot see the person in the car next to you, it's none of your business! Do you really think some terrorist is going to pull up next to you and gun you down?

-- Posted by foodie on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 11:46 AM

I commend Tamela J. on her comments about smoking around the hospital! More of us smokers need to "Speak Out" about our rights!!! Yes, our great country was built upon individual rights and choices; seems these days our government and big business are dictating our choices. We realize as smokers we should be respectful of others, however we ask that others at least tolerate our choice! Southeast hospital could alleviate the whole problem by providing employees and visitors a small area to participate in their own vices without encroaching on other individuals rights. We know this can be done without violating any JACO or state regulations because St. Francis Hospital allows smoking on their property in designated areas. Not a smoker I know has a problem with smoking outside in designated areas, even in inclimate weather- that is OUR choice.

-- Posted by reeseejoe on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 11:57 AM

stev mo:

Give it up already, a clump of cells is NOT a human being. If you feel that's not the case, then you are morally obligated to assist me in bombing god's personal abortion clinic, miscarriage.

More children have been killed in god's name / god's actions aka "it was his will" / god's inaction than any abortion clinic ever.

Where is your smug sense of outrage now, moron?

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 12:23 PM

Yes, I'll admit it, tobacco is very addicting! The addiction is stronger than herion- so THEY say. Here's another point of view on smoking at hspitals- How would you like to have a surgeon and surgery personel operating on you while they are going through nicotine withdrawal? I wouldn't! Let 'em calm their nerves first! I might live to breath their second hand smoke again, and be thankful for it. Some people don't realize that smoking is a 'vice' for medical personel. They deal with death and dying every day. We should have empathy for the people who take care of us during our times of need; when we can't help ourselves. We should be grateful for the willingness of these wonderful people to work at seemingly thankless jobs. I say "Let 'em Smoke". It's not illegal yet!

-- Posted by ccsopinion on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 12:43 PM


There are some 'clumps' of cells that are not human. I can't understand why they breath.

-- Posted by KingsKid on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 12:55 PM


Indeed, they are called "animals".. some of which do not need to respirate (since they absorb the oxygen they need via atmospheric pressure, or are anaerobic)

You can thank science for that information...

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 1:07 PM

Babies aborted after the first trimester [and even before] are definitely not a "clump of cells" Sorry, but you are wrong.

Besides where do you draw the line and say the "clump of cells" is now a festus? How about when the "fetus" becomes a baby?

-- Posted by workin' them angels on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 1:54 PM

Smokers do not respect the rights of non-smokers. They throw their trash out everywhere. don't ask me to respect people like that.

-- Posted by Make no mistake about it on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 2:07 PM

workin' them angels:

I'm not sorry to offend your religious programing when I tell you that yes, it is a clump of cells till shortly before the end of the 1st trimester. After the 1st trimester, the fetus undergoes mostly growth changes, so I think it's fairly safe to call it a baby at this point.

The real issue here isn't what I think determines what constitutes a embryo / fetus / baby, people with medical training and scientific intent can do that, what is the issue is the right for a person to determine with is right for their life and your preoccupation with enforcing your will on other people. If a persons decides to terminate a pregnancy, that is their moral and ethical decision to make.

Personally, I appose abortion. I appose the use of abortion as a form of birth control. However, I staunchly defend a woman's right to choose.

Who are you and I to take away someone else's right to choose what is right for their life?

Nobody... that's who.

In related news, teens (and earlier) are having sex. When you were a teen you were having sex, or in a concerted effort to try and have sex. Get your teens some form of birth control and make condoms available. If people of all ages were better informed and had non-stigma access to birth control, would abortion even exist in the first place?

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 2:25 PM

Jenna Bush is pregnant out of wedlock... the millions Bush has spent on abstinence programs are obviously doing a bang up job.

Surely gay marriage to the blame.

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 2:29 PM

My better half reminds me that it's "oppose" not "appose."

Thank you, Hon' ;)

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 2:55 PM

I wish you wouldn't try to speak for everyone Tarantalus. I was a football player and my girlfriend was a cheerleader, proom queen candidate, and class officer. We didn't have sex and I know many of my friends weren't having sex either. I'm not a religous fanatic. I just knew that my parents would kill me if I did and hers would kill her if she got pregnant. We are now married. My oldest is married and we've talked. I know he didn't have sex before marriage, either, and he says that lots of kids say they are having sex and later admit that they said it just to sound cool or whatever the kids are using today.

Not all kids are having sex or trying to have sex.

-- Posted by SEMOfan80 on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 3:07 PM


The only people not having sex are the people who can't for many different purposes. Your reason was fear, others might cite the fact that they wore coke-bottle glasses and had skin with the texture of the moon. You are just lucky that you grew up Amish and didn't have to face such pressures as that poster of Heather Locklear in the red swimsuit (you know the one) or a girl in your 3rd period geometry class that felt compelled to show you that she was really a women under her hypercolor t-shirt and Z Cavarichis.

Humans are programmed for sex, it's an excellent survival strategy and why our species has been so successful.

You may want to reread my comment. You'll notice I didn't say "all teens are having sex." Enough teens are having it to warrant sex / health education in our schools and the government to invest millions on programs to try and keep teens from getting pregnant. Bush's plan has been "keep your pants on" and that it. Anything else offends his religious "bases" Midwestern sensibilities since it seems to legitimizes something that has been going on since the dawn of time.

Always remember that sex is a dirty, filthy act... that will keep your soul safe from ol' scratch.

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 3:30 PM

RE: BakersBigBurger

So tell me, why is it that you lump ALL smokers together in one reprehensible category?! How foolish can you be? I am smoker and I do not disrespect ANY non smoker. I understand that most (if not all) non smokers do not want to be around cigarette smoke. I don't smoke around them, I leave the damned room!

I don't throw my butts out the window on on the sidewalk, I use ashtrays!

I don't smoke around babies or children.

You know what? ALL of my friends who are smokers are the same way that I am, so HOW, PLEASE DEAR GOD TELL ME HOW, I am this awful evil person who doesn't deserve respect?

-- Posted by foodie on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 3:30 PM


France's death rate also has eclipsed their birth rate. Many European countries are also facing zero population growth.

Interesting story from a few years ago..


France to create new incentives for families to have additional kids.


-- Posted by Tarantulas on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 4:59 PM

I want to formally call out the cowardice of the Missourian web staff for seemingly deleting the account of MJB.

Only in the Southeast Missourian can being the RECIPIENT of a death threat get you banned from an open forum discussion.

Punish the guilty, not the victim.

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 5:10 PM

And did you confirm, spidey, that the suspected perpetrator in this "death threat" wasn't "banned" also? Might I remind you, this is a business's website, NOT an open forum for you to post anything that crosses your left-wing mind. The Southeast Missourian pays for this website, not you.

Don't like it? Stand on a street corner with a sign touting the virtues of teen sex, abortions, gun control and any other liberal topic that comes to your mind.

-- Posted by workin' them angels on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 5:23 PM

Attn Jackson Drivers,

The turn lane problem would not be a problem IF people obeyed the other two laws that Jacksoians like to ignore.

1. obey the speed limit. It's 40MPH, NOT 50 or 55 or 60!!! They might even lower it to 35. Then people might drive 45, but I doubt it. By the way, "speed limit" means 40 is the TOP speed, not the lowest speed!

2. STAY in the RIGHT lane unless PASSING or preparing to turn left!!

0h there are 3, but this one isn't a law, it's common courtesy. Let people pull over when they signal. Don't speed up so they can't. (happens everyday) The rudest drivers I've ever seen are in Cape and Jackson.

On the way to work today there were 20 cars driving in the PASSING lane and 2 in the correct, right hand lane. WHO where they all passing??? They drove this way in all the way from Jackson to Mount Auburn in Cape, EXCEPT when they pulled over in the RIGHT hand lane to pass a car that was in the passing lane! Why did all those people feel the need to drive in the passing lane?

POLICE: Patrol the road in the morning and evening and ticket these people. It would make money for the city, and maybe a few will get the message and even pass it on to other law breakers. If all those people who love the passing lane would move over and drive the speed limit, people could turn left and actually get into the flow of traffic. Problem solved.

-- Posted by calypso12 on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 7:48 PM

I want to formally call out the cowardice of the Missourian web staff for seemingly deleting the account of MJB.

Only in the Southeast Missourian can being the RECIPIENT of a death threat get you banned from an open forum discussion.

Punish the guilty, not the victim.

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 5:10 PM

Don't be stupid! His language got him removed nothing more nothing less. Forget the don't be stupid remark, We know you cant help it.

-- Posted by minute-man on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 8:04 PM

I'm pretty sure MJB's banishment had nothing to do with anything other than his language and lack of respect toward other posters. I'm sure his use of the p-word had something to do with it. That was uncalled-for.

The sad thing is that he gave us something to think about. Unfortunately, he seemed completely unable to share his views in a respectful manner, which is all the owners of this blog really ask of us.

I think, considering the repeated personal attacks and vulgarity, he should have been banned.

-- Posted by SEMOfan80 on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 8:24 PM

Sorry, Tarantulas, wanna take a vote on who's thrilled that he and FARM are banished and who is not? OK, I'm thrilled!! That's one agin 'em.

-- Posted by nuit_de_trois_chiens on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 8:41 PM

Even if MJB were to post under another name, he can't contain himself and it will become acutely obvious who is posting behind the name.

His cut and paste conspiracy theories from infowars.com got really old. All of those "theories" are easily disproved and largely dismissed as being touted by people who are mentally unstable.

-- Posted by workin' them angels on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 9:34 PM

Well, Nick Charles, or as you are better known, MJB -- you have been outed. I recognize not only your writing style, but also the distinctive, if incorrect, way you have of punctuating your sentences. You always use a comma both before and after a coordinating conjunction. Can't hide that! Also, MJB consistently misspells TArantulas name as TRantulas. Anyway, I have little or nothing else to say to you, except -- OUTED!

-- Posted by nuit_de_trois_chiens on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 9:36 PM

Nick Charles: Thanks for the information on what countries sent troops and when they were pulled out of Iraq. Know I will catch flack for this but think it is important. Bush and Company have caused the murder of nearly 3,800 of our young.

I again invite the supporters of this war and this policy to join the ranks. Understand you can get $20,000 if you make the quick trip. If you arenot ready to do your duty then do not ask someone else to do it for you. What are you giving up other than computer time.

-- Posted by oldvet on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 9:45 PM

I have been gone a while but find myself at home for a change.Sitting here reading All the post today I see things are still very lively.I would like to add to many of the comments I have read but I never was much on discussing abortion(Tarantula said it just fine for me)and I prefer not to discuss Religion(Religion does nothing but divide people)as for smokers(tobacco was one of our first exports and prohibitionist are foolish)

I don't smoke but don't want it banned for fear of a new black market filled with money,greed and crime!As for driving while talking on a cell phone(Im guilty)it is dangerous thats for sure and finally Bush is a "Turd" well,That would not be my one word

discription of him(I am Libertarian)but rather than write it here I will let all of you use your imagination because after all

some of you here certainly have a big one!

Oh darn I almost forgot Teens and sex!But wait a minute,what would a 5o+ year old man know about that!DARN,I almost forgot about the dissapearence of the imfamous MJB.I guess I have been at the hospital way too long.Sorry, he has been silenced but only just a little!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 9:58 PM

Greywolf: Welcome and hope the missus is doing well and recovering at a better clip.

-- Posted by oldvet on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 10:15 PM

Wow, the hate speech sure is flowing tonight. Did you folks use the same terms when President Clinton was in office?

When he was dropping bombs on Kosovo? Firing cruise missiles at Saddam?

-- Posted by workin' them angels on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 10:27 PM

Oldvet,you as much as me(an old vet also)

know we now,(not like that **** Viet Nam war)have an all volunteer Armed services.You know that!None of them not one didn't sign on knowing that they may be sent to fight a war or police action or conflict whatever!You need not condemn anyone who believes this Iraq conflict is justified.You said"if your not ready to do your duty then don't ask someone to do it for you"was either plum ignorant or else just plain stupid.I for one

would like to see Iraq and any other Country that would rather see us dead removed from the face of the planet before we give them a chance to fight another day.You and I were drafted or at least I was and I certainly saw no real purpose in fighting in Viet Nam but I had no choice.These incredibly brave young women and men in the armed service volunteered and you should show more respect for the command that they serve under.The problem with many in this country is too many citizens have become "woosyfied"(you won't find that in the dictionary)the second they here a body count they holler "LETS GET OUT" we are killing women and children!Yep carpet bombing alone killed over 200,000 civilians in Japan in 1944-45!we were not woosyfied then by God!Grab your peace not war sign and stand on freedom corner but don't disrespect anyone who belives this conflict is warranted!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 10:31 PM

Oh and Oldvet,I do respect you and your beliefs but I found that comment a bit

testy and you know me!I just had to respond.

The wife is back in the hospital.Seems her

left leg does not function and a nerve is causing the problem.If you can believe this

she has to have more surgery Monday to fix this new problem.I had her home for 2 days after Heart surgery and now this!...

Don't be too upset with me I meant No harm!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 10:37 PM

Yes, and I was for the impeachment to. I hear the same ones that hate Clinton and call for his inpeachment back Bush at any thing he does. Why is that. Did you support Clinton. If not why do you support Bush.

-- Posted by oldvet on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 10:38 PM

Greywolf: No problem. Sorry to hear you wife is back in the hospital. You know we are wishing the best for both of you. You served your time and you deserve the utmost respect. I do support our troops. I do not support this administration. I do not support anyone who never served and say sic em. I was one who called Clinton a draft dodger. I call Bush a deserter. A volunteer army any where is nothing more than pushing the defense of your country onto those you can manipulat. I lost family in Viet Nam. I have friends who have lost family in this disaster. I respect your views because you served. You have the right to support or oppose. I just disagree with you on this issue. Again hope the missus will make a full and fast recovery.

-- Posted by oldvet on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 10:48 PM

Greywolf: I was referring to Iraq. Afganistan is a differ ballgame. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Hope that makes it clear.

-- Posted by oldvet on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 10:51 PM

Terrorist training camps were located in Iraq. One in Basrah, another in Fallujia (nice one with a how to sabotage civilian airliners classroom), and another (I don't remember where) that trained exIranian nationals to overthrow their government of Mullas.

But what do I know.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 11:02 PM

Oldvet,I do see your point about Iraq.We should certainly have used a different method

to remove Sadam.I know and you know we could have gotten him without all out conflict and sending some 160,000+ troops in there.I much would have rather they had been sent to Afganistan and Saudi Arabia.But you know me.

My point(if there is one)was that too many of us have become numb to war.I do not think that is a good idea.This world has become too small and now more then ever I believe conflicts are going to increase dramaticly.

We need to be ready if that occurs.Your point about the volunteer forces is a valid one.You used the term "manipulate"!That may indeed be true.You and I can disagree but we will always be brothers and I know you know why!Thanks for your prayers and concerns for my best friend my wife.She has been through

more hell then most of us could handle yet she keeps on trying to smile.I have learned that life is precious and I just hate the fact that our Men and Women are being killed

in a far off place.It burns deep in all of us

I wish we were peaceful critters but we just

are not!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Sep 20, 2007, at 11:08 PM


"A disservice is done to those troops in Iraq when those that they are fighting are called terrorists, they are enemy combatants. This playing on emotions does no one any good. Have pride in you soldiers."

When someone packs a car full of 155mm and 120mm high explosive rounds and detonates them in the middle of a market at rush hour, I guess they can be called an enemy combatant. Or they walk into grade school full of ten year kids strapped with 20 lbs of C4 encased with 8 and 10 penny nails, they should be called revolutionaries. Hell, I think they should be called national heroes. And by the by, how can this be anymore then playing on emotions when that is what is happening? Both sides are playing on our emotions.

What about those dinners with local tribal leaders where Al Qaeda is asking for support? Didn't hear about the main coarse did you? The local leader's eldest son. BBQed. Actually that might be baked.

Nick Charles,

"Where did you get your information about "terrorist" training camps in Iraq? Please cite the source."

Nick didn't read the article or find it on YouTube because I rolled through those sites. Actually, I've been one to look at the world through my own eyes than that of another. I don't site material that I have not seen with my own eyes. That whole "lack of trust" factor of the media.

I guess if you go and sign up at your local Army, Navy, Air force, Marine recruiter then you could see these camps first hand. But how can we enjoy our later years of being an Armchair Quarterback if you have to play?

Blame Bush. It makes it easier.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Fri, Sep 21, 2007, at 9:17 AM

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