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Speak Out 9/19/07

Wednesday, September 19, 2007

Great car show

CONGRATULATIONS TO the River City Rodders and to Old Town Cape for a successful car show. The number, variety and quality of the vehicles at the show reminded me of national shows I've attended where more than 12,000 cars were registered. The event was well-organized and family friendly, and the downtown shops and dining assured something for everyone. The cloud cover was a real bonus too but not to be attributed to the organizers.

Winning band

CENTRAL HIGH School Tiger Marching Band: You were outstanding taking first place, outstanding percussion, musical performance and visual performance at the Murphysboro contest. All the sweat and hard work paid off. Keep it up. It looks to be a great season.

No dogs at fair

IT'S COMMON sense to not take your dog to the fair. There are many small children scared of dogs and dogs that attack and bite with no warning, not to mention animals using the fairgrounds as a bathroom. There is no reason for a pet to be at the fair.

Climate change

TIME AND again over recent weeks the Southeast Missourian has reported on the regional drought, a disaster for farmers. But not one word is mentioned about the probable cause. This drought is exactly what climate theory predicts. So much valuable education could be undertaken with this story, but it doesn't happen. When U.S. Sen. Kit Bond claims it is too economically expensive to address climate change, he is saying the farmers of Southeast Missouri are economically unimportant. We need to work together on this nonpartisan issue. Neither denial and ignoring it nor evasion of responsibility help us solve the problem.

Ban cigarettes

SMOKERS ARE a trashy group. They throw cigarette butts and empty packs in my yard every day. I would like to see cigarettes banned. Smokers are so irresponsible.

Simple fraud

I AM ashamed of Jackson and its utility system. I had to pay $30 above the amount of my utility bill because I could not pay it by the 10th of the month. I got paid on the 11th. What kind of scam is the city running?


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Ban Cigarettes--

Now there's an intellectual comment if I have ever seen one! Those who have narrow and closed minds love to stereotype!

-- Posted by iago on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 5:21 AM

I once heard Neal Boortz say something to the effect "If there was a way to recycle cigarette butts all the streets would be clean and homeless people would have employment." At the time I took it for face value and laughed knowing that Mr. Boortz makes outrageous statements to get listeners, but after re-evaluating his comments I think he may have been on to something. If the Global Warming crowd could find a way to break down butts and use them for a fuel source, America could have an almost endless supply of energy....and save a bunch of trees too. The front of every grocery store, mall, and hospital would be spotless, and low income (PC) folks could once again join the ranks of the employeed. Now that I think about it...smokers light up.

-- Posted by Dr._Will_B._Inebreated on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 5:45 AM

Well, it looks like Joe Martin is off of his medication again. Next we'll have reves lecturing about how Mussoulini was a socialist. There really should be a law, or required lobotomies or something.

-- Posted by realitybasedthinker on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 5:59 AM

Swamppuppy: I agree, but as the comedian Ron White said, "you can't fix stupid".

-- Posted by cannedheat on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 6:14 AM

You don't pay extra after the 10th on your jackson electric. You get 10percent discount if you pay by the 10th. So if you had to pay an extra 30 your total electric bill had to be around 300.

-- Posted by interesting on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 6:23 AM

I suppose there has never been a drought in Southeast Missouri? Are you going to address "global cooling" when it is 18*F in January?

One would assume these things based on your statements.

-- Posted by workin' them angels on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 6:39 AM

Ban Smokers

If it looks like an ashtray, smells like an ashtray then by golly it must be an ashtray.

-- Posted by freedom1776to2008 on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 6:49 AM

Stereotyping smokers? It would great if what the writer said was stereotyping and not largely true. How many smokers actually use their car ashtrays? How many of those who use ashtrays empty them on the side of the road while sitting at a stop light? Look out your car window at the Center junction stop lights sometime. It looks like a big ashtray. Not all smokers do this, but the majority of the ones I've seen just flick them anywhere they chose. I pick up cigarette butts at work within a few feet of the butt receptical everyday. Too far to walk? They have to walk right by it to get to the door. It's hard to give smokers a break when the evidence piles up, literally, everywhere. It's litter. It matters. All litter is unsightly and unnecessary.

-- Posted by calypso12 on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 7:05 AM

Simple fraud

How much would a payday loan have cost you for 1 day?

-- Posted by Solelicious on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 7:11 AM

I wonder were the tax money is going to come from if you ban cigarettes? Politicians will find some other evil devices to get our money. Hummmm......cell phones? YES!

-- Posted by mutt_jdr on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 7:21 AM

It is shameful that the Southeast Missourian will print the kind of hate filled babble Joe Martin of Jackson produces, but not legitimate and eloquently written criticism of a Governor who has ignored the health needs of Missouri's sick and disabled.

-- Posted by mkm on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 8:29 AM

I have smokers in my family....it must be a terrible addiction....we have seen family members die from the effects of smoking cigarettes and still they continue to smoke..i don't mind sweeping up cigarette butts but i worry about the chance that smokers are taking with their health...if you have ever seen someone wheezing their life away..you know what i mean...hopefully something can be done to help them to kick the habit...most all of them state that they regret ever starting...the smokers i know are nice people and i would like to keep them around and in good health...

-- Posted by walela on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 8:30 AM

Cape4Life

You clearly have never had to get a payday loan. Good for you, but it probably would have cost the same $30.

Simple Fraud

I am often in the same boat as you are - this month I was lucky I could pay before the 10th. It took the city of Jackson 8 dys to deposit my check in the bank across the street. Now that I know this I can rethink the difference between pay day and that $30 and maybe take the risk of the time delay.

-- Posted by Katherine Elfrink on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 8:45 AM

Climate Change:

This spring and summer we have seen the effects of La Nina again, this particular weather phenomena has been blamed for Midwest droughts in 1988, 1998 and others. I am not arguing that global warming man/woman made emissions does not play a possible role, but I am looking at alternatives to the drought we and other areas have shared this summer.

Perhaps next year we could persuade the SEMO Fair committee to hold the "Fair Rain Dances" at least twice per month?

Info on La Nina- http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/200...

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/herbwx/eln...

-- Posted by Cape Tape on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 9:18 AM

On the Joe Martin letter all I can say is yes seems there are scrapers being used in and around Cape. You certainly don't see as many of the Bush/Cheney stickers as before. Oh yes I know they aren't running again, but guess what the rain didn't wash them off. Had enough of what you ask. Invasion of privacy, disregard for the Constitution, hypocrisy, loss of rights, nation building, false information to the American public and the rest of the world, blood for corporate wealth, blood to fill the coffers of Bush/cheney. Oh yea I have had enough and if you haven't, continue to vote your desires.

Impeach Bush!!!

-- Posted by cannedheat on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 10:06 AM

Please dont let the comments made in the Joe Martin letter be the standard for rating the intelligence of Jackson residents. That has to be the single most uninformed, illogical, non-thought out, and utterly stupid "Letter to the Editor" I have ever read in my life. Only, ONLY, a Bush appologist would be able to take something harmless and twist it into that much ignorance in that short of a letter. He and Georgie Boy need to be roomies or something, because it's fairly obvious to me that Mr. Martin is the only person in the world to actually understand and agree with GW's thought processes. All I can say after reading his letter is "WOW!!". How can any one given person be that naive and uninformed?

-- Posted by jxnmoguy714 on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 10:17 AM

Cannedheat,

Hello again I have a question for you, if you don't mind. You and MJB always complain about Corporate ***** This, and Corporate ***** That. So, Where did you buy your computers from, your groceries, your cars, and your gasoline? If these Corporations weren't around you would have nothing, correct?

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 10:19 AM

Sorry, I had an urge to be like Mike, hahahahahahahhahahahaha Good Reading, though

14 Reasons to Deport Illegal Aliens...

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77

2. $2.2 Billion a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscal...

3. $2.5 Billion a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscal...

4. $12 Billion a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0...

5. $17 Billion a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0...

6. $3 Million a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0...

7. 30% of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0...

8. $90 Billion a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers. http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0610/...

9. $200 Billion a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0...

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the United States. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0...

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S. from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report : http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.' http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/p...

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States '. http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

So using the LOWEST estimates, the annual cost OF ILLEGAL ALIENS is $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR! So if deporting them costs between $206 and $230 BILLION DOLLARS, We'll be ahead after the 1st year!!!

Please pass this on. Americans need to wake up!

-- Posted by Wilsonite on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 10:33 AM

"Ban cigarettes"

Won't ever happen and should never happen.

Prohibition does not work period.If you

prohibit cigarettes then within days the black market will be in full swing and crime will

increase just as it has with drugs.Littering has always been a problem and probably always

will.Since were banning cigarettes lets ban soda,palstic bags,paper and bottles becuase thats what I see every day of my life laying around the roadsides and in alleys and on lawns.I remember the old commercial with the

Native American and the tear in his eye because of littering.I say bring it back and perhaps people would think more before they throw their trash all over the countryside!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 11:40 AM

They let OJ out on Bond? Where did he get the money? Isn't he supposed to pay the Goldmans 33 Million? If OJ isn't a flight risk then who is? Hasn't our legal system learned their lesson on OJ yet?

-- Posted by cal on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 11:43 AM

Simple Fraud

I always thought when you have a deadline to pay your bills (i.e., due date); those bills are due by the closing of business hours of that day. I guess we could make a special concession because you get paid the day AFTER. Poor pitiful you. Can't remember to put the 40 bucks aside to pay for a service?

You know, a seeerrrvvvicccee. Something that isn't provided to you by the government. Something that can be taken away from you (minus extreme weather) if you can't pay the bill.

If you can't pay for the service EXPECT to get nailed with extra charges. Big evil corporations have big evil families to feed too.

Next time, hold off going out and save the cash or do what your doing...blame someone else. I don't know someone like Bush. It's Bush's fault your utility bill is collected one day before your paid.

-- Posted by fajar154 on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 11:48 AM

RE: Ban cigarettes

Wow, do you generalize everything and everyone in your life too? Let me guess, you're up at church every Sunday saying how Christian you are too, HUH?

RE: Land of rocks and ticks

You're about as smart as the person who wrote to speakout about Banning Cigarettes.

RE: tamelaj

I totally agree with you. I am also ashamed of the Southeast Missourian for printing that.

RE: drdorothya

I know that you love your family, but keep in mind that it's their choice, so stop stressing about it. They'll stop smoking when they want to.

RE: Matthew 15:14

Have you never heard about direct deposit of your work check? Also, learn to pay your bills online through your bank, that way you sit down and figure up the earliest possible date to have that check sent out from your bank to have your bill paid.

-- Posted by foodie on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 12:02 PM

Darth: You have never heard me use the word ***** in any of my post. If you are minute-man I told you I am finished with you. MJB hasn't posted today that I know of so what is your beef today. If all you have to offer is sarcasm then I for one am not interested. By the way, what topic was that under?

-- Posted by cannedheat on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 12:49 PM

Darth: I will say tho I believe the corporation is one of biggest frauds ever perpetuated on the people of the world. The first being organized religion.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 12:52 PM

asdfgtrewqw: I don't know what happened to MJB, but I hope he will continue to contribute. I don't agree with a lot of what he believes, but still have learned a few things. Seems the ones here who want to quite someone are the same ones who holler about supporting the troops while wanting to cut their pay and benefits. Don't think I would want their support.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 1:00 PM

Peace Seeker: Your 14 reasons is BS because over half your total (that $200 Billion in suppressed wages) is vapor. If wages are suppressed then either profits are being enhanced or costs are lowered by nearly the same amount. The money doesn't just appear from thin air; you are just shifting which group gets more or less of it. It's exactly like a minimum wage increase.

Thats not to say that shifting from illegal immigrants to legal American workers is a bad thing. Certainly it's good for the bottom of the US labor pool, but for the economy as a whole the combination of higher costs and lower profits will eat up virtually all of the claimed increases. So the total costs of immigrations you presented are most certainly false.

-- Posted by Nil on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 1:02 PM

Sorry have to leave got to go to the post office and pick up my social security disability check then to the gym to work out. Have a good day all and maybe tomorrow.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 1:04 PM

Cannedheat,

Once again, No I am not Minuteman. Why do you always jump to conculusions about who someone actually is? Is it just because someone doesn't agree with what you say that you must assume there can only be one person in Cape Girardeau that doesn't think like you?

I realize you don't use the word ***** in your posts like MJB, but you still complain about the evil corporations like he does.

Back to my question please. Where do you buy all of the stuff that you own? From an "Evil Corporation"?

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 1:27 PM

If corporations are "evil", you do have an alternative. Move to Montana, live off the power grid (no electricity or any outside power), grow your own food, make your own clothes and do not utilize the health care system for any reason.

Even the Amish can not accomplish this. Businesses (corporations) provide many things to enhance/save our lives. Although it is possible to live without them, it would be very difficult.

Practice what you preach (as you respond on the computer powered and built by some evil corporations).

-- Posted by workin' them angels on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 2:12 PM

Corporations in themselves are not evil!

The republicans and Democrats that head

them up along with too much lobbying power

are the biggest problems with Corporations.

Corporate America is indeed in trouble.Its very obvious when you hear that they are padding their books.This is orchestrated

by its corrupt leaders.We do not regulate

Corporations as we should be.In short most large Corporations are completely out of control!Their is however some good news and that is many of these large Corps CEOs are

finding themselves behind bars which of course is where they belong!Just look at the huge bonuses they are paying themselves while their stock owners and employees are loosing their azzes!Most by the way are Republicans!You know,"keep the rich man rich and the poor man poor"!The new mentality of most corporate management is "they make,we take".(They) being employees and (we) being CEOs and management!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 2:34 PM

I agree with the smoking comment. The vast majority of smokers litter everyday. They need to stop littering. Stop trying to take the attention off the root problem which is littering and trying to blame the person who left the comment.

-- Posted by Make no mistake about it on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 3:17 PM

RE: BakersBigBurger

Okay sure...how about teenagers, they litter too don't they? We should ban them. Some dog walkers litter. Ban them too. Sport spectators litter sometimes as well. Got to ban them too.

Wait a second...ALL types people litter, ban everyone!

It's not just one group and to generalize and throw everyone who smokes, walks their pet, age groups, etc. into one huge generalization and then say BAN THEM is asinine!

Some people (no matter WHAT they do) just don't care about how their environment turns out. It's a lack of respect...focus on how to fix the issue, not "what group" is doing it.

-- Posted by foodie on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 4:08 PM

For the record I am not against corporations.

I only asked the question to a person who claims that corporations are bad where they buy all of their stuff from.

I am against big government and it is not the governments job to tell a corporation what to pay its ceo's or other employees.

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 4:49 PM

It looks as though someone else has tuned in on the misguided and apparently drunken behavior of cannedheat, He will change his demeanor from somewhat docile to arrogant to down right ignorant during the course of the day. Every Day!

Watch out DarthJason, soon enough you will be a wife beater or child abuser.

And it makes me very happy that he is done with me. Good riddance.

-- Posted by minute-man on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 6:18 PM

F.A.R.M.

I seen you on the news at 5pm today. I now understand where all that hatred and venom that you spew at MJB comes from. You need to find a new partner in crime, Hanging out with Matt Blunt could ruin you business.

-- Posted by minute-man on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 6:30 PM

Here is my solution to the cigarette butt problem: Ban filtered cigarettes. Unfiltered ciggies are more delicious, refreshing, and enviromentally friendly. The butt would either burn away or quickly decompose to dust.

-- Posted by Lumpy on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 6:58 PM

FARM was on the news tonight? Did anyone else see it? Sure would like to see what he looks like....

-- Posted by workin' them angels on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 8:01 PM

Greywolf, I remember the Native American commercial about littering. It was great; it really did make a caring person think about what we as stewards of this earth have done to it. For people who do care, for those who reverence the planet, it was very effective. It brought tears to my eyes, too. But the problem is, those who need to see it, hear it, live it - they simply don't care. It's always someone else's trouble to inherit. They think the world won't be destroyed in MY lifetime so let the next generation deal with it. Too many folks believe this way, and the result is the despoilation of our earth. We, everyone, every single one of us, have to take responsibility for preserving the land, sea, air, and fresh waters of our planet.

-- Posted by nuit_de_trois_chiens on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 8:23 PM

Darth: You are the one jumping to conclusions. And you did say I used the word *****.

Cannedheat,

Hello again I have a question for you, if you don't mind. You and MJB always complain about Corporate ***** This, and Corporate ***** That. So, Where did you buy your computers from, your groceries, your cars, and your gasoline? If these Corporations weren't around you would have nothing, correct?

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 10:19 AM

And really it is none of your business where I purchase anything. But thanks for worrying about me.

Now if you have something constructive to say, I will be glad to have a conversation with you. But until then, please don't just try to start something here.

Let me make it a little clearer. Not all corporations are bad. But I do believe the idea of incorporating is bad. Accountability in non-existent to the people making decisions in a corporation. The "corporation" is held accountable, but in most cases the people are not. This is not to say people like Ken Lay, who committed fraud was not going to be held responsible. But if a company {corporation} produced a bad product, knew it was bad, and put it on the market anyway, the person making that decision is not held accountable, but rather the stock holders. Look at Ford in the 1970's. They produced the Pinto, known to have a poorly designed gas tank, but it would be cheaper to pay lawsuits than to redesign. Who was held accountable for the lives lost there. No one at Ford, but the stockholders paid by means of lower dividends.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 9:15 PM

Hilleco: I agree with you on the free market. Only problem there is no such thing as a free market, not truly free. Like there is no true democracy, no true socialism, no true communism, no true republic nor no true conservative nor liberal. It would be nice if there were a free market, you would see things start to come into balance.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 9:19 PM

Smokers do litter but I would rather step on a cigarett butt than in dog crap !!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by zeroit on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 9:27 PM

Zero: I am with you on that one.

I see the name calling is still going on. Hope this forum will last till Christmas. Got an idea if the name calling and threats continue it won't.

minute-man: To answer you a few days ago, I read what I want to read. You seem a little disturbed, but the threats are everyones business who reads or post here. I love some of the discussions, but don't have the time to read everyday so I have to read a few days at a time. I wish I had the time you have to post but I don't have the money to retire just yet. Maybe some day in the near future.

-- Posted by lvsholeflow on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 9:37 PM

Simple Fraud:

It is called a late fee. If you pay late, you are charged an extra fee. Next month try living within your means and putting money back for bills. Heck, even try to budget for these things.

-- Posted by bigdaddy200 on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 9:50 PM

No dogs at the fair: I am sure people love their dogs and want to show them off, but other people don't like dogs. Why should I have to see a dog sitting in the cart at the grocery store? I thought there was a law against dogs in a place where food was served unless it was a working dog for the disabled. I have never seen one of those little furry things used as a working dog. By the way, I have had dogs, but they weren't part of my family, they were pets.

-- Posted by lvsholeflow on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 10:06 PM

BakersBigBOOGER: I've decided to no longer keep my cig butts in my car, to empty into my own trash anymore. I will now flick them willy nilly to all ends of the Earth, who cares right? By your reasoning, along with the asinine reasoning of the original speak out column, I am already an irresponsible TRASHY smoker. Wilst I am at it, I will blow my smoke in everyones face, rather than try as hard as I can to stay away from other, non-smokers, as possible. I thank you for your freeing comment, and I thank the original author of the speak out column, I no longer have to worry about being a responsible smoker, as we are all lumped into one, nice, massive group by the likes of you.

-- Posted by Cape Tape on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 10:14 PM

no dogs at the fair: I own a dog, I love my dog (but I don't "love" my dog), would I take him to the fair? No. I know my dog won't bite, scratch or nip at others but the dog has to do what a dog has to do, and there is no way I want to make another person watch my dog drop some buddies off at the pool as I begrudingly hold on to leash.... "Uh, oh my, good boy... now how to dispose? HMMM... Let me grab this corndog stick." And one can never be truly certain of what others may do to your dog, 2 year old vs. dog = tails, ears and possibly, privates pulled on... That's not a happy dog.

The simple truth is, your dog is NOT a human being (as smart as they may be, as much a part of your family they may be, and as much as YOU may want them to be), therefore is not entitled to all that you are. Is dog fighting wrong? YES. Is "loving" your dog too much wrong? YES. Are you blind, do you depend on your dog as an extention of yourself? If yes, then let em on in, if not leave the pup at home, enjoy the fair and take him/her for a walk after.

-- Posted by Cape Tape on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 10:22 PM

Simple fraud: = simple answer. Pay your bill on time, idiot...

-- Posted by Cape Tape on Wed, Sep 19, 2007, at 10:24 PM


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