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Speak Out 8/27/07

Monday, August 27, 2007

Bring back TSO

I CANNOT believe the Trans-Siberian Orchestra will not be in Cape Girardeau this year. That is the best show all year. This is one show I look forward to. I have seen it for two years, and it is more than worth the traffic mess and endless road construction. Please find some way to bring them back.

Humane funding

GREAT STORY and picture about the artist who let her dogs chew up Michael Vick trading cards and -- best yet -- selling them on eBay with the money going to a Humane Society. A fitting sentence for this football player would be to take a great deal of his money and give it to Humane Society programs.

Greek housing

DO NOT the Greek students at Southeast Missouri State University pay tuition and housing costs just like the other students? I was a member of a Greek organization, and Southeast requires on-campus housing for new students that do not live within a certain radius. While the Greek community does have a reputation and a few stereotypes, it does a lot for the community and the university.

Half a loaf

DAVID LIMBAUGH, I'll give you half a loaf. Karl Rove was a genius at winning elections, though he did so in a divisive manner so extreme it was injurious to our nation. His policy advice to President Bush must generally be judged as an abject failure.

Not-so-preferred parking

JUST A thought ... with all of the incoming freshmen coming to the Southeast Missouri State University campus, parking in campus lots has become a nuisance. My boyfriend purchased a preferred parking permit, which ensures him a spot in the preferred parking lot. Since Monday he has had to park illegally or on the street because the parking lots that he paid to use were overcrowded. Could someone investigate and tell us the reasons why students pay for the luxury of parking closer to their classes and then are forced to park somewhere else?

Lacking information

I FIND it interesting that you can't find up-to-date progress reports on the Transportation Trust Fund projects on the city of Cape Girardeau Web site. It is also interesting that you have to wait until the local paper decides to publish what is planned for construction sites, typically long after construction has begun. Both of these types of information ought to be readily accessible to the public. Why does the city expect us to support funds for parks and sewers when they don't even maintain proper public access to information about current construction projects in the city?

Higher prices

I WISH our elected officials at the state and federal levels would get off this ethanol kick. It's a white elephant. The only thing that will happen is that food costs are going to rise as we use grains that used to feed us and farm animals to make ethanol. AS the costs to farmers for those feed grains rises, so will the cost of bread, meat, milk and all related products.

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Amen on forgetting about ethanol, I tried it for 3 months and didnt like it, and I'm afraid that is what others are going to experience.

-- Posted by changedname on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 7:30 AM


The word "devisive" will be the legacy of Karl Rove and his gang. Honest and truly progressive thinking voters (key word=thinking) can only be embarrassed by the tactics that Rove has championed over his years of power-mongering. Creating opposing sides that are literally at war with each other and stoking the flames of dissent have done more to harm our country's future than any political act by either the left or the right. Jackson Brown said it nicely in a recent interview when he stated that the very freedoms Bush purports to be fighting for in other far-off countries are the freedoms he is systematically dismantling in our own country. And Rove has done much to build the current power structure. Yes, via his devisive advice to Bush, he has truly failed us all.

-- Posted by Never_give_A_Inch on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 7:59 AM

Hey dexterite, I have been looking for ethanol lately. Where did you purchase it? Thanks!

-- Posted by lurker on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 8:28 AM

Did you see where rescue forces in the Mediterranean are going to start putting giant wet towels over the areas effected by the wild fires?

Yeah, it's the only way to put out a Greece fire.

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 8:47 AM

Not from speak out, but from today's news:

Gonzales Resigns! Yay!

However, I would like to point out that the current frontrunner for his replacement is Michael Chertoff. Mr. Homeland Security.

It will be a case of meet the new boss same as (or worse) than the old boss.

The disrespect for our laws and Constitution will continue unabated.

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 9:57 AM

Cheney said in a 94 question and answer session why we didn't go all the way to Baghdad and take down Saddam during the 91 invasion. He stated that region was a very volatile and who would take Saddam's place. We would have had to go it along and it would have been a U.S. occupation without support of the rest of the world, and if we did take down the government, pieces of Iraq would fly off, eastern part to Iran, western part to syria, and northern part to the Kurds of Turkey which would pose a problem for the Turkish government and you would then have a quagmire. He went on to say Saddam wasn't worth American lives.

Do you think he was right then or now? What has changed if you agree with him now?

-- Posted by cannedheat on Sun, Aug 26, 2007, at 8:04 PM


I Agree with what he had to say in 94 even though I don't remember who asked and why the question was asked. I don't agree with the way he said the country would split then or now.

If you watched the news programs last evening you would have seen the story on the refugee's leaving Iraq (as compared to Vietnam) and how they are being treated by neighboring countries.

The Kurds in the north have taken matters into their own hands and are doing quite well with little or no outside help at all.

The rest of the refugees are simply running away because the United States has turned their backs on them. Now before we go on did you see the National news program on CBS last evening?

-- Posted by minute-man on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 10:02 AM

Never_give_A _Inch:

Carl Rove represents the republicans in the same manner Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton represent the democrats. he just didn't show as much bigotry and vile hatred for his targets.

-- Posted by minute-man on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 10:10 AM

Gonzales is a good and honorable man caught up in one of the stupidest issues in Washington in our time. His resignation only represents his wishes to quickly distance himself from the other problems the president and other republicans will face as the elections grow near.

-- Posted by minute-man on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 10:14 AM

Ethanol is much better than the current fuel. The main advantage is that it is a renewable resource. This is something we can grow and don't have to tear up the ground to get. It burns cleaner too.

If fuel costs drop and food prices go up, it could be a wash. In the ends we will have a cleaner environment. Of course I wouldn't expect this republican population to care about that.

-- Posted by Falconman67 on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 10:16 AM

I think an even more fitting sentence for

M.Vick would be to choke him to death and have his body chopped up into small bite sized chunks and give them to the Atlanta humane society to feed to their animals.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 10:17 AM

leuven,all the MFA stations carry ethanol, we now have a new station in town that carries it,,,,,,,,,I think eventually all stations will have a pump......it takes special non-corrosive pumps and pipes to carry the ethanol as well as gas trucks that carry ethanol must have special tanks to carry ethanol as it is more corrosive than regular unleaded gas. and of course your auto or truck has special equipment to burn the ethanol,,,and dont put it in your lawn mowers or boat motors.

-- Posted by changedname on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 10:24 AM


How is the air on the planet you live?

Alberto Gonzales wrote memos on approving torture of children!

He is a Bush lapdog and was responsible for creating legal justifications of unconstitutional acts for this presidency. It is written, plain hard fact.

In case you would like to look this up since I am a crazy conspiracy spouting nut and all, it was written on Jan 25, 2004.

It contains numerous rationalizations that any member of the Taliban or otherwise 'enemy combatant' is not offered any protections under the Geneva Conventions. Therefore, he is trying to legally justify torture of our captured enemies.

I don't know about you, but I say the United States should really employ the 'high road' and not engage in war crimes and torture. Maybe that's just me. Maybe I don't hate Muslims/brown people/feriners' enough.

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 10:28 AM

Here is a plainly written article concerning the 'torture memo'


From a little known kooky journal called the Washington Post.

Defending Karl Rove and Albero Gonzales in the same day? Going for extra Satan brownie points?

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 10:31 AM

Gonzales,Iraq and terrorism is all worth the conversation but I find it odd that no one seems to be worried about the huge credit institutions going belly up left and right because of the subprime loans from years past.I bet by first quarter next year we find ourselves in recession and possibly well on our way to a depression that could rival the late 1920 and early 30 depression.

Those that convert to cash may be saved from the huge losses.Don't think for a minute that these would be terrorist are not aware of our financial situation.One more large attack would bring us to our knees in this Country.If this happens God help us all.I just hope I am wrong.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 10:32 AM


If you do some research, you will find that ethanol doesn't increase NOX, but is WORSE than gasoline when it comes to particulate matter and ozone depletion. What you are getting is a tradeoff, at best.

It is just a great money maker for those that are investing in it. The government's fetish for making the wealthy, wealthier and having the middle class foot the bill. If you look at all of the petroleum that it takes to make ethanol, (tractor to till the ground, plant the corn, fertilize, the fertilizer itself, the combine, the truck to haul it, the distillation process, and the delivery of ethanol),it is a loser. I have said it before, if you don't like $3.00 a gallon gas, wait until you pay the equivalent of $4.00. search consumer reports, thay did a pretty good article last summer.

If congress really wanted to reduce our dependence from the middle east, they would mandate the CAFE standards so Detroit et al,would have to build 35-40 mpg cars and trucks. GM and Ford have been building flex fuel vehicles for years, even though e-85 is not easy to find. GM doesn't pay a penalty for every Suburban and Tahoe it produces (15mpg), IF it will run on e85, then it gets a credit as if it actually got 40mpg. The guzzlers don't have to actually ever fill up with e85, just have the ability to burn it.

-- Posted by The Central Scrutinizer on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 10:40 AM

Minute man,

Now I know you got your handle because you waste time on CBS...maybe you should change to 60 minute man.

But not to be outdone is jumpinjehova spending time reading the W.Post.

Oh, brother.

Greywolf...a little too intense on Vick there. You should realize you can take the person out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of the person. If you think Michael Vick is bad, check out what his stupid younger brother Marcus has done.

-- Posted by Hawker on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 10:41 AM

not-so-preferred parking--SEMO makes TONS O MONEY from parking fines. If there were enough spaces for the students to park then that source of income would dry up and the criminal justice majors that run around writing tickets wouldn't be able to learn their trade.

-- Posted by stevmo on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 10:51 AM

I am with you on that one Greywolf. Many people are indeed betting on a coming finacial collapse, as evidenced by put options on the whole thing going down by 1/3 to a half. The last time these kind of put options was seen was on the airlines just before 9/11.

We are indeed about to have a MAJOR recession or another 'terrorist attack' to help the whole thing along.

Enjoy the martial law when the riots begin as people won't be able to buy food.

Just don't say that at least some of us didn't warn you.

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 11:30 AM


Your right so just go ahead and say it. This is one gun carrying christian conservative that's sick and tired of of all the goody two shoes telling our intelligence agencies how to get the information we need to protect us.

What? Do you think that we are at war with a bunch of bunny rabbits that will offer up their fluffy little secrets when asked?

Our enemies are mean, ruthless and so barbaric in the ways that they deal out death it completely over shadows the tactics of the CIA except to all the bleeding hearts that think you can win a war by saying pretty please.

You need to wake up and take a look at the world that you live in. For sure its getting smaller and that means that the wars are going to be more and more fierce while all the people on this planet are trying to grab their space, You start playing nice now and you'll be eating your hamburger with chop sticks next year.

-- Posted by minute-man on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 11:49 AM


Take a breath.

If you are a Christian, then why do you approve of our goverment okaying toture to children for someone to spill 'his evil little secrets?' Is that a Christian stand to take? They specifically mention crushing a children's testicles in one of the memos. (It was ruled ok, btw)

I suppose it's ok if it's a Muslim, or a filthy Chinese or dirty Ruskie. Oh yeah, its American Christianity...thou shalt not kill (unless they are non-Christian, brown or an enemy combatant as deemed by your current President)

The Geneva Conventions were set up and used for many years, I was given refresher courses many times when I was in the Air Force. Now we decide that the current targets of our war are not worth the same consideration that we have demanded for our troops and have afforded to our enemies for decades.

Of course sometimes in back rooms, people are put under duress to get their intelligence. I am not stupid, but to have the Secretary of Defense, The Attorney General, the Vice President and so forth PUBLICALLY ENDORSING torture is a dangerous road to put us on don't you think? Especially to children?

Is that the way you want your 'Christian-led' Greatest Country on the Earth to do it's business?

Also, enjoy those guns when the government shows up to take them from you or you have to trade them for food once the economy collapses and martial law is enacted.

Christian values, torture, shredding of the Constitution...welcome to Bush's America!

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 12:03 PM

Thanks for the info, dexterite. Call me ignorant, but do you happen to know the exact whereabouts of this new MFA station? I checked MFA's website:

Petro-Card 24:


Break Time:


and there is no indication that there's a store located in Cape Girardeau. I know there's a store in Jackson, but I need to mix E85 and petrol because my car cannot handle straight E85. If I have to travel any significant distance with too much E85 in my tank, it'll cause a major lean running condition and adding a couple of gallons at another vendor is just rude. I've been out west and I had to use 91 octane (AKI) when I almost always use 93 octane (AKI). Hell, the Dmart BP located near I-55 dropped their premium down to 92 octane (AKI) and I refuse to go there anymore--even for my lawn equipment. I'll probably just end up dumping a gallon or so of toulene for the extra boost to my tank.

-- Posted by lurker on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 12:34 PM

Yeah JumpinJehova,

When the folks in the big Cities run out of

places to pilfer they will fan out into rural

America.Nome of us will be insulated from the riots and chaos that will surely arrise.

Get ready ya'l for the worst of times if what

I think will happen ,happens!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 12:40 PM

Everyone knows Bush gave the Pope immunity from molestation charges, right?

U.S. Says Pope Immune From Molestation Lawsuit


Wow... just wow...

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 1:53 PM

Of course, Mel Gibson can just break into the Vatican and take the Pope out to bring him to justice right? This sounds like some bad action film plot.

Forget the abused children, it's not in the best interest of our foreign relations...

And this is even Faux News reporting that!

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 2:02 PM

Wonderful!The Pope is immune of a molestation

cover up.They say he is the head of State of the Holy City.Well lets poke a hole in it and go get the holyer then thou head of State and find out if he is guilty or not!

The problem of course is that the Pope is

in his position for life so he won't ever be

available for prosecution or a trial.In the meantime his Heavenly Brothers in Christ are falling like flies being found guilty of Child molestation all over the planet.Perhaps

there is something wrong with that thing called celibacy.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 2:59 PM

Ok, someone obviously has replaced Greywolf with someone sensible... what has happened? Agreeing on 2 points in 1 day!

The end is nigh...

or neigh....

A horse told me

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 3:05 PM


That's a bunch of bull and I don't care what web site you point to or what memo that you can conjure up. Your not going to tell me that our sons and daughters are crushing the testicles on children for information when you and I and the rest of the world knows they are going to be the last ones with any knowledge or critical information that will help the war effort.

You have got to remember they are not treating their captives by the Geneva Convention standards by beheading their prisoners by the dozen or mass murders along almost any wall in every alley in Baghdad.

We are not fighting a conventional war or enemy so all the more reason to throw the conventional tactics out the window. And yes I'm a believer in Christianity and in the old adage an eye for an eye.

One more thing You can quit playing the race card on me it don't work. I don't care what color you are if you are killing my brothers and sisters or our children you are going to lose plain and simple.

This is not just Gw's America, its yours, mine and the rest as well. I will respect your freedom of speech on the way you think but I don't have to respect your thoughts which are cowardly at best. And you better buck up or perish with the rest of the wimps. Any one that tries to take my guns will have to kill me to do it. Those are the means to survival in my world, as long as I have them I can eat.

-- Posted by minute-man on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 3:07 PM

Ok, just to be sure I will paraphrase what you just said:

'I don't care about what anyone wrote or whatever proof you have, I do not believe it. I choose not to believe it and you can't make me. Eye fer an eye! Old Testament! They are savages so we should be too! You are a coward! I am not racist, just Christian. They will have to kill me rather than have my guns.'

That pretty much it? I do not want to mistake your position.

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 3:17 PM

Nope JumpinJehova,

Just the same old me.I knew we would agree

on many issues.That Pope deal realy hits a nerve with me today!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 3:18 PM


Don't you agree that there should be something that separates us from the bad guys? We should hold ourselves to a higher standard, not resort to their tactics.

Until you have been water boarded or had your child's testicles put in a vice as a means of "motivation" to give up information, you need to keep your mouth shut.

It may not be long before your government need to get information from you. Guess what? You're not a man in uniform, so the provisions of the Geneva convention don't cover you either.

I'm sure when your government cuts your trigger finger off to find out where you're hiding your guns, you'll finally understand the extent of your folly.

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 3:25 PM


"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."

Gonna be hard for you to hit the rifle range when your scope has to be manned by a seeing eye dog.

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 3:29 PM

To clarify my mention:

The question was brought up about crushing the testicles of someone's child with the idea that the adult would then give up information to spare their child this injury. Yes, this was specifically brought up just as that, whether you believe it or not.

I'm just saying that doesn't sound too American to me.

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 3:36 PM


Sounds exactly like "God's America" to me.

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 3:37 PM

RE: Child Testicle Crushing

For those that would indeed like to check out my claims for themselves, this statement was made by John Yoo, Deputy Assistant to John Ashcroft when he was Attorney General. It was stated during a lecture in Chicago on December 1st, 2006.

So it was not directly an Alberto Gonzales point, but rather a Bush administration policy on his powers as president.

Please check it out, unless you are one of those that refuses to be swayed by such ridiculous things as recorded facts.

My apologies to Alberto. You were only responsible for the judicial firings,perjury and wiretapping.

My bad.

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 3:44 PM


That would be December 1st, 2005. My apologies. I try to admit when I am mistaken and correct those mistakes.

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 3:47 PM

You know it really upsets me when I hear someone say he believes in "Christianity"

Then in the next sentence tries to shove the Old Testament laws down your throat.Jesus came and saved us all from ourselves and our sins!Because of this we now live under "GRACE" and not Laws!Minute Man,the old addage "Eye For and Eye"died on the cross with Jesus.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 3:51 PM


It's funny how many christians don't understand that according to their own mythology, christ's sacrifice "tore the veil away" and invalidated most old testament law.

They never remember that when it's dealing with things that serve a vindictive purpose like "eye for an eye" does. They never remember that they are supposed to stone their christian neighbors for working on the sabbath.

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 4:18 PM


How very right you are.Its easy to quote the Bible when you havn't really understood it.

I try not to argue Religion becuase its so darn divisive.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 4:37 PM


You say that you served in the military and know about the Geneva Conventions. That being the case you should also remember that these people that we are fighting did not sign the Geneva Conventions. So they do not have to be treated under their conditions.

Don't get me wrong, I don't condone torturing children as you say. I would just like to point out that our current enemies, one do not treat our soldiers under the Geneva Conventions, and two we do not have to treat them under the Geneva Conventions.

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 4:56 PM

I have never understood how people can consider water boarding torture when it is performed on our own Special Forces to teach them how to react to the likely interrogation tactics that will be employed on them if they should ever get captured.

Long sentence I know and probably not grammatically correct but I don't care.

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 5:01 PM

I am not inferring that they do at all DarthJason.

What I am saying is that I believe for the US to retain any remaining goodwill it has in the rest of the world, we should not pubically and vocally resort to barbarian tactics.

After WWII , we enjoyed the (western) world's respect for being 'The Biggest of the Good Guys'

Now we are viewed as 'The Biggest of the Empire Builders' that will use any and all means necessary to maintain that position.

We are supposed to be above that.

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 5:03 PM

I'm not going to apologize for the way I think to any of you and I'm not trying to sway the way any of you think. I will how ever try to answer or rebut all of your comments.


No mistake on my positions, the world is rapidly changing and you need to go along or be left to the wolves. And I didn't mean to infer that you are a coward just that in my opinion you sometimes think like one. Its very Nobel to have thoughts like that in a perfect world but as you know we are still a long way from that.


I do agree that we need to be separate from the bad guys. We need to be the winners, you know the ones that survive after the whole thing is over(if ever that happens). I haven't changed my mind about the whole love thy brother thing, I just ain't gonna turn my back to them. And yes I do believe that god has big plans for America to lead the world to peace.


Ain't nobody trying to shove nothing down your throat. I know why Jesus came and it wasn't to tell me to lay down and give up. Sometimes you really make me laugh hard "you old crab apple".

Fact of the matter is to all you guys who only know my rants on this page I'm a nut case. In life I might be one of your best friends or worst enemies. like any other free thinking man should I will always respect you and the freedoms that are god given until you try to take mine away. In today's world its hard to know who you can trust but surely I think that I could trust any of you more than our government representatives simply because you speak what ever truth that you personally believe in. (if that makes any since to you).

-- Posted by minute-man on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 5:06 PM

Falconman7, you're a dreaming!

I agree that ethanol is a white elephant. Too many vehicles are not designed to burn it, number one. And, a few months back when all this pro-ethanol stuff was first winding up, one of the under-secretaries in the USDA (wish I could remember his name...too many nights sleep in between) stated in a news interview that there was not enough arable farmland in the US to grow enough grain to meet our minimum energy needs annually. Translation: if we really plan to use ethanol to provide all our fuel needs, we all better get used to extremely higher food prices, because it's ALL going to be tied to imports: imported fruits, vegetables, and feed grains for livestock, because if we try to grow our way to freedom from foreign oil - well, it's just not possible. Think any country out there won't take advantage of our needs by raising their prices? Then there is international shipping cost and danger of poisoning/contamination and shortages - wanna really see food riots? Ethanol is just too inefficient. And, we still will not be free of our need for oil - too many other products we use daily - even certain medications - are made from petroleum-based products.

Ethanol cleaner? I'll give you that. Fuel prices coming down sufficiently to offset the increased food costs? Doubt it. Back to that whole too innefficient thing. Feed grain costs will continue to rise as more and more grain is sold to distilleries for ethanol - which means costs of raw product for ethanol will also continue to rise, because grain prices will rise. Meaning, not only will meat and dairy products become more expensive, so will the fuel made from the grain. Econ 101, my friend - increase demand for raw ore, price of raw ore rises and so does price of all products made from raw ore.

Look, I agree we MUST find an alternative energy source - but ethanol ain't it, folks!

First, we ALL need to get off the "evil big oil" bandwagon. I was especially upset at all the falderol the news media made earlier this year about the $42 billion in profits those evil oil companies made last year. If you discount portions of that profit made from sale of assets and say ALL $42 billion was from sale of fuel - not, because so many other products are made from petroleum - here's how that works out: According to the US Census, there were just over 190 million licensed drivers in the US in 2000 - I looked. SO, if you pull out your calculator and do the long division, you will discover that the $42 billion amounted to $4.25 per driver per week - 61 cents per day (rounded up). That's not even enough to make a down payment on a 20-oz bottle of Evian! So, the first thing we have to do is put behind us our hatred of big corporations. And, please - do not give me that old whine about "outrageous executive salaries". That's not up to us. A board of directors makes those decisions - you do not like them, buy enough of the company to earn a seat on the board and change it.

We have to get over our fear of new drilling - we're going to have to do it temporarily. We have untapped resources that could get us by until other technology gets us where we need to be. We'll need the refineries to refine the product. I firmly believe that better technology is not far off - hybrid technology is improving and, eventually, someone will develope a vehicle that runs well and efficiently on solar power or an advanced type of electric fuel cell. Maybe not in my remaining lifetime, but it will come. But, we here in the US have to make some decisions very quickly. I am a conservative. I believe in wise use of resources. I recycle everything that's recyclable. I think it was a huge mistake to stop the monumental recycling efforts that were implemented during WW II - it took almost sixty years to get that system back to current levels. Imagine where our recycling technology would be today if all that time had been used to improve processes. I want a more energy efficient vehicle - because I'm cheap. And a cleaner burning vehicle is nice, too. I think you would find most conservatives agree. What I am opposed to is being forced to drive a smaller, less safe vehicle (No I do not drive a huge SUV - but, I do have a cross-over that gets almost 30 mpg). I want to be able to get into my vehicle and exercise my freedom of movement to my hearts content, and to travel at sustained speeds fast enough that it does not take me all day to travel to St Louis or Memphis - although, during "road construction season", it practically takes all day anyway... but I digress. We need to decide to do the following: 1) allow the companies to tap the resources we have here, in places like ANWR and off the gulf coast. It can be done safely - especially if we insist on all the necessary safeguards - and we should. The sooner we can thumb our noses at OPEC, the better. 2) We have to begin to build more nuclear power plants. If we're going to eliminate oil and coal as fuel, then we need to get on the nuclear bandwagon. 3) Solar technology is out there and available for homeowners - but it is pretty much out of the reach of the average, middle class homeowner. I would love to go solar, so I could tell UE where to stick their electricity (I DO hate monopolies...), but, with two kids in school, it's at least another four years before I can aford to make that conversion. 4) Ditto wind power - we should build wind farms and Ted Kennedy shouldn't be allowed to stop it. 5) An up and coming technology harnesses the power of the sea currents to generate electricity. I's no where near ready yet, but in the upcoming decades... 6) Helium-3 and fusion - still years away, but with additional advanced research - anything is possible. 7) Satellite solar collectors - satellites that collect the energy of the sun and use it to power lasers which then beam the energy to earth-based collectors. Even a resurgence of hydro-electric power generation may be necessary.

There are some alternatives to oil and coal now, and more on the way - but we have to survive until they arrive.

All the alternatives I mentioned have one thing in common: opposition by rabid environmentalists. They oppose in court, routinely, anything to do with oil drilling or refining, developement of nuclear or hydroelectric power, and some have even opposed wind farms and solar collectors. They complain about fuel economy ratings and demand auto makers design and build "greener" vehicles. If that is so easy to do, then why doesn't Greenpeace do it and show those nasty car makers how it's done?

We need to change our energy use profile. But things like ethanol are not going to fix the problem. We need viable, inexpensive, long term alternatives; and we need the will to start the changes NOW.

Dexterite, if you used E-85, I hope your vehicle was specifically designed to burn ethanol - three months of average use might have done some real damage...


I am opposed to torture, and we should take the high road. I guess if the CIA utilized the techniques in their interrogations that were authorized by the Clinton Administration, while Clinton was President, that was okay - but it's not okay for the Bush administration? That was in that article you referenced. Bit hypocritical of you, isn't it? By the way;

1) I read the article in the Wash Post - saw no mention of torturing children, and

2) Name specifically, by Article of the Constitution, EXACTLY which Articles of the US Constitution the administration has violated and how?

By the way, I also find it interesting that many libs insist we give the captured terrorists all the protections of the Geneva Convention - which none of them has ever signed, but still - and yet, they demand we try them in criminal courts - which is explicitly outlawed by the Geneva Convention. Explanation?


Vatican City, which is ruled by the Pope, is a independent state. The Pope gets the same diplomatic immunity as any other head of state. Sorry. By the way, What's your beef with the Roman Catholic Church?

-- Posted by Little_Mac on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 5:08 PM

I am not saying if we should act or not act according to the Geneva Conventions.

I am simply stating that our current enemies do not, by international law, have to be treated according to the Geneva Conventions.

People have, since the beginning of the fighting, misinterpreted that fact and stated that our enemies are accorded protections under the Geneva Conventions when in fact they do not have those rights.

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 5:08 PM


I wish I could have got my point across in as short a statement as you did.

Your right if they dont why should we?

-- Posted by minute-man on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 5:13 PM

MJB, First of all that is your opinion and I honestly can't respond with anything other than. Whatever you say. We will always disagree on you opinion of the Revolutionary Army or whatever you have named them.

Second, The case of Jessica Lynch is different than what is going on now. J.L. was held by uniformed soldiers in the Iraqi Army that were still under control of a government that may or may not have been a signer of the Geneva Conventions, I'm not sure.

The enemy that we are fighting now, which you and I both know we will never agree upon, is not a Uniformed enemy fighting for a government that is a signatory of the Geneva Conventions.

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 5:25 PM

Michael J Ballou:

You sound just like one of those videos that they put out. I really think that you hate this country. most of the IRAQI people want to rebuild their country and get back to some kind of reasonable life style and have no interest in killing Americans. They don't want us to stay any longer than it takes for their own government to protect them from the murders of Iran, Syria or Jordan that are the ones doing all of the killing.

If you need something real to complain about try the fact that our boys and girls are being killed there while the Iraqi government pukes are on vacation some where in France spending our tax payers money on god knows what.

-- Posted by minute-man on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 5:28 PM

Good afternoon ladies and gents. We have had 74 troops murdered in Iraq so far this month. I am gonna have to get here sooner. I have to spend so much time trying to catch up on the comments.

Anybody watch meet the press yesterday. I didn't watch it live had to record it and watch it last night but was surprised by Senator Warner. When ask what he thought about Maliki saying no one has the right to set timetables for his government. Senator Warner said that it was a sovereign government and no one has the right to interfer with a sovereign government. Found it interesting to see how we define interfering. We say Iran is interfering in Iraq when we went into a sovereign county, destroyed its government, its economy, it infrastructer, and priveitized its oil fields.

-- Posted by oldvet on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 5:47 PM


All Day long I have tried to defend my positions on why and how we should defend our selves and then comes MJB and as much as says hip hip hooray keep killing Americans.

Who is this guy? Do you others really eat lunch with him and manage to keep it down? He just gave applause to the beasts that are killing our children. I think you should be tried as a criminal your self MJB.

-- Posted by minute-man on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 5:50 PM

Thanks Hilleco you say things much better than I can.

-- Posted by oldvet on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 5:54 PM

I would give a $10 gift certificate from McDonalds if someone would tell me how many people have been killed in the Gods name. How many different Gods are there. I know the Greeks had a few and the Indians had a few. Could someone tell me how many there are today.

-- Posted by oldvet on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 6:03 PM

Good afternoon Minute-man. Hope to see you remain civil as per our agreement. Remember no name calling and just the facts.

-- Posted by oldvet on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 6:09 PM

Doc05 Think what people are saying is that you have to treat them as prisoners or criminals. You can not just keep them in jail because you want to forever. At least that is the problem I have cause it could happen to one of our people. To give 1 or 2 people the right to say who has a trial or not is just dumb to say. I may be mistaken but I think under the new patriot act, with a national emergency, Bush can order martial law and say who is an enemy combatant without proof. Is this what you are for.

-- Posted by oldvet on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 6:23 PM

Guess I run everyone off. I did take a bath last week.

-- Posted by oldvet on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 6:24 PM

Hilleco so will I. Guess noone rread my comments about Sen. Warner. If you did do you think it is an odd thing for a man who vote to invade a country to say. Am I the only one here who thinks the picture is crooked.

-- Posted by oldvet on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 7:09 PM

Old Vet,

I believe that most of the past mythologies had a deity for almost all concepts. From the creators to there being a god for things such as wine, air, sun and so forth. I could be mistaken (which probably happens more often then I'm willing to admit. lol), but I believe Hindu and Buddist followers also believe in spirts in a lot of living and non living objects. Native Americans theroize that their are spirits in everything on earth. So, Old Vet, I am not sure there is a number I can give you.

But, on an interresting note... If there is only one God, why are there so many Christian churches saying their God is better then the Church down the street???

Just asking.

-- Posted by notsureitssafeinhere on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 7:19 PM

60 seconds:

Rove is a slimey bastid and so are Sharpton and Jackson. The difference is, Rove was a highly sought after PAID LACKEY of the Bush Republicans and their predecessors; Sharpton and Jackson are just self-appointed big-mouths that have glommed onto the Democratis party in some pathetic way.

-- Posted by Never_give_A_Inch on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 7:27 PM

Mpreszler that is a question I have been asking for many years. I would have to say it is a very good question with on one answering it.

Mjb I could not believe he said we didn't have any right to tell a sovereign country what to do. We been doing that for more than a hundred years. Senator Craig is one that hates homosexuals was he not. Is he one, as someone here said he protest to much.

-- Posted by oldvet on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 7:32 PM

Minute-man: Glad to see you brought forth my question from yesterday. Also glad you responded with an answer. If you agree with what Cheney said in '94, with the exception of Iraq tearing apart, then how do you reconcile supporting the invasion?

The refugees are running away because they don't want to be killed by us or the insurgents. What would you do for your family? We have not abandoned them as you say, we have surged more troops to protect them. They don't have drinking water, they don't have electricity, and they certainly don't have any security. Just to go outside to take a ....... dump, is an invitation to get shot, blown up, or kidnapped. Those are the reasons they are leaving Iraq in droves.

What changed with Cheney between '94 and 2000? Could it have been Halliburton? Please don't tell me it was 9/11.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 7:45 PM

hello oldvet:

I hope that you have a good time tonight it has already got my pressure up and I need to back out and regroup. I really do understand your contempt for the administration leaving our men and women in Iraq while their government vacations. I don't understand Ballou applauding the fact that our kids are being killed while doing their job.

Gotta go now.

-- Posted by minute-man on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 7:59 PM


I will respond a little later.

gotta go now.

-- Posted by minute-man on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 8:01 PM

To all I say goodnight. Hopefully all of us will be here tomorrow.

-- Posted by oldvet on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 8:05 PM

so you think we should just leave tomorrow and then what? stand back and watch the whole region go up in smoke? even you have to be smart enough to know we cant do that. and by the way no American was directly or personally involved in the execution of Saddam. in fact they were quite set back at how quickly it took place as I remember. no defence of the act I think he should have had his chance at all the trials they were supposed to have had,so the whole country could have made their grief of loss clear to him before they killed him.

and no one has answered me on why the Kurds in the north are doing so well without any outside help, and what only 250 us troops are in that part of Iraq.

-- Posted by minute-man on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 8:56 PM


I'm sad that you have once again found your crack pipe and have smoked up your Social Security check again. Your warped sense of hatred for a fellow Christian, GWB, is dispicable.

-- Posted by John in Jackson on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 9:13 PM

I don't think anyone here really understands how many private contractors are in Iraq. We keep talking about the rules of engagement for our soldiers, but you have to remember there are no rules of engagement for mercenaries. Blackwater is a private military company run by a billionaire right wing ex navy seal. Yes billionaire. His name is Erik Prince and he is the son of a prominent Michigan Republican family. His father and Gary Bauer started the very conservative Family Research Center. Blackwater received no bid contracts for Afghanistan, Iraq and New Orleans after Katrina.

Blackwater may be the biggest private army {mercenaries} in the world. Yes Bush has even privatized the Army. This is the reason for so much discontent in Iraq. This group has been accused of indiscriminate killing and even firing on American troops if they get in the way. I know you probably don't care, but just try this on for size. What is the driving point of any corporation? Bottom line, dollar amount, and the dividend paid to stock holders. Who is to say that another country can't come up with more money to hire these guys. Are we then safe from them. We already know greed and power will always drive people, look at the corporations today. Didn't mean to alarm you. Just food for thought.

Also just in case you care where you tax dollars go, 40 cents of every dollar spent on the war goes to private contractors. And you thought the American soldiers were getting some of it huh.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 9:20 PM

Welcome back Minute-man. I have nor had any remorse for Saddam Hussein, however, the government in Iraq is a puppet government. Just like the government in many countries where we hand out the money. Having said that, I personally thought and still think Saddam should have been tried in the World Court. Only one problem with that, we gave him the gases he used on his own people. We gave him the technology he used for his army, air force and weapons system. Look at the picture of Donald Rumsfeld and Saddam taken circa 1987. That is the main reason we couldn't have him tried in the Hague. We would have had to answer a lot of questions in front of the world.

You are right about the progress the Kurds have made is not reported enough. The Kurds used the American invasion of Iraq as a fulcrum to develop some independence. Kurdistan encompasses parts of Turkey, Iran and Iraq, with the section of Iraq being the only recognized state. Number of reasons for this, one being they have not gotten into the fray between the Sunni and Shia. Turkey has been motivated to leave them alone because they desire admittance into the European Union. Therefore, they have made strides toward economic and political independence. One would hope they will be allowed to live in peace, but doubt that will happen in the future. The Kurds have been humiliated by all three countries for centuries. But thanks for bringing them to our attention.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 9:45 PM

Gonna call it a night guys, got to get up early tomorrow. Have a good night and thanks for the conversation. Still want to know what changed Cheney's mind between '94 and 2000.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Mon, Aug 27, 2007, at 9:47 PM

MJB sounds kinda kooky

-- Posted by Make no mistake about it on Tue, Aug 28, 2007, at 9:48 AM

Cape's leaders constantly want to raise taxes to fund their pet projects. You never hear any of them talk about increasing police patrols or hiring more police officers. I don't mean ticket writers like most of the officers are assigned to now. I mean real neiborhood patroling and real crime prevention. I might vote for tax increase for more crime fighters.

-- Posted by Make no mistake about it on Tue, Aug 28, 2007, at 9:48 AM


-- Posted by Little_Mac on Tue, Aug 28, 2007, at 1:28 PM


REALLY having trouble getting this site to refresh... Just saw your response to my comments on the Geneva Convention. Let me clarify: IF they are to be treated as EPW's (POW's) under the Geneva Convention, then they CAN NOT be tried in civil courts - that is specifically outlawed in the terms of the Convention. So, if we are going to treat them as EPW's and give them the protections of the Convention, that means they remain EPW's until the war is over. But be careful, because the Convention does allow for trial and execution of spies and saboteurs. Historically, anyone who was caught taking action against an enemy force but was not in "uniform" was considered a spy or saboteur. So, how do we define the terrorists - and I'm sorry, but despite what MJB thinks, the majority of the people we are fighting in Iraq right now are part of one of several terrorist organizations, not Iraquis - do we define them as EPW's with Geneva Convention protections and keep them locked up from now until eternity (my choice for the terrorists...), or do we consider them to be criminals and spend years and tons of money to house them while they await trial, provide them with attorneys, have trials drag on and on, overtaxing our legal system and having their faces plastered across the evening news around the world, making them martyrs and making the problem even worse? Then there is the whole problem of how they are taken into custody - ever try to Mirandize someone in a firefight? Me either. Do not imagine that it would be on the top of anyone's priority list. So, then, the cases get tossed out of court because their rights were violated. You're right - treat them as either criminals or as EPW's, but do not confuse the rights of the two. AS I said: if they are EPW's, they stay locked up, no trial, until it's all over and maybe they can go home. If they are criminals, whose justice system gets to try them? Do we do war crimes tribunals like after WW II? We're not the only country that would have claims against them in a criminal court. Many countries may want a piece of the action - in some, they would be tried, convicted, and hanged in the same week, no appeals and no concern for their "civil rights". The last thing we want is to see the same faces cropping up again later if they get released by one of our criminal courts on a technicality. Recall a year or so ago, we released a bunch of the Taliban prisoners? Guess what - many of them have been returned to GITMO after being captured - again - captured fighting our forces in Afghanistan. As for the decision being made by 1 or 2 people - isn't that what we pay them for? To stick their necks out and make the big decisions? We do not have to agree with their decisions - that's our right. But, we put people in high office to be responsible. And, no matter which way you go, you're going to have half the country mad at you: if you say criminal prosecutions, you have the hell-fire and brimstone conservatives pee-oh'd; if you say EPW's and lock them up for the duration, you have the liberal cry-babies angry. It's a no-win. Just be glad that, pretty much throughout our history, we have had leaders who were willing to make the call regardless of the consequences. And by the way, the President can declare martial law in a national emergency, Patriot Act or not.

-- Posted by Little_Mac on Tue, Aug 28, 2007, at 3:19 PM

Hey MJB;

I am a member of a group that bestows a "Black Mask" Al-Qaedh Foot Soldier Of The Month Award on a monthly basis to a national political leader that we believe gives the most support to our Islamic enemy in that respective month. On request, we will send a real mask on the condition they wear it anytime they spew the anti-war and anti-American vitriol.

Previous winners include Chuck Hagel, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Joe Biden, John Murtha,John Warner, and Keith Ellison.

I am offering you the same opportunity to receive one of these awards along with a real black mask if you promise to wear it each and every time you make one of your lunacy posts. You should be proud to be in this elite group. Just send me an address and You will promptly receive this color award to decorate your your favorite wall. You would have the honor to be the first non politician to receive one. If you would like to purchase large quantities of black masks, perhaps Congressman Ellison may be able to get you a volume discount,

You seem to be a very bitter and lonely person with a lot of spare time on your hands. It is a really difficult to say if you need mental treatment or be tried for treason and sedition. Each reader can make the call for him or her self.

There are more than six thousand mosques in the U.S. with an estimated 40 to 70 percent of them teaching radical Islam including a plan to take over the U.S. by the year 2020. I am sure they would welcome you with open arms if you are not a current member of their movement.

-- Posted by Balmy on Wed, Aug 29, 2007, at 5:04 PM

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