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Friday, August 17, 2007

Show compassion

I DON'T appreciate what Nathan Cooper has done, but he is still human. We humans do stupid stuff. His greed got the better of him. Pray for him and his family. He knows he did wrong. Uncalled-for remarks are not helping anyone. Please be merciful and remember the mercy you use on others will be used upon you.

Asset builders

CONGRATULATIONS TO Central Junior High School, Cathy Huskey, Lee Spencer, Nacoasha Davis and Lawanda Stewart for being recognized as "Asset Builders" during THRIVE's first annual asset celebration. It is nice to know that there are people and organizations in our community who see the importance of building appropriate relationships with young people to make sure that they grow up healthy, caring and responsible.

Destructive OSHA

YES, OSHA does destroy small business. I'm sure most people don't know that OSHA sneaks around and films contractors, then show what they consider they've done wrong and fines them big money. If you dispute it and you are found in the wrong, OSHA can levy higher fines. This is a fact. This is not the Middle East, and these contractors are not terrorists. They're hard-working Americans who don't need Big Brother spying on them. It's time to make a difference. Get out and vote next election.

Cleaning house

HOW IN the world can we ever get out of the war and how can we make the United States a better place to live when our government has so much corruption in it? How can government ever straighten things out and help the people of the United States when it has so much turmoil going on? Government needs to clean house first.

Pesky mosquitoes

SINCE WE are in a drought situation and I change my cats' water at least four times a day and the mosquito fogger just went by and I am getting eaten alive, I have come to a conclusion: Mosquitoes are here whether we have water or not and, once again, the city wastes our money. But what else is new?

Prompt delivery

I LIVE on County Road 458 off Highway 34. I have such a great paper deliverer. I could almost time my clock by how prompt he is. Tonight he came at 25 minutes to 3 a.m., and I would just like to personally thank him.

Pets and hot weather

IN THIS weather, please check your pets at least three times a day and get them in a house, a garage or shed whenever possible. They depend on us for everything.

Clothes for seniors

JUST ONCE I would like to see clothing advertised for older people. I'm in my 70s. What are we supposed to do -- quit wearing clothes? I never see anything advertised that would fit me.

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-- Posted by Solelicious on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 1:21 AM


I am originally from the area and have been hearing about the courthouse ordeal, but don't know enough about it to place blame. In reference to your post yesterday, are you familiar with the project enough to know what was written about the project in the specs issued with the drawings? Being in the industry, I think that could clear up all the issues related to who is responsible for the cost. I'm not trying to call you or anyone else who has commented out, I would just like to know.

In my experience with GSA, they issue either performance or industry standard specs for everything from flooring to, in this case, roofing. If the contractor did not comply, I feel like they should be responsible. If they didn't, in this case, we taxpayers are stuck with the burden, which is very disappointing

-- Posted by tsi23 on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 2:16 AM

Your representative was elected to uphold the law, yet he chose to willfully break the law by monetarily helping the ones who worked to get him elected. Show compassion, fine, but let the law work its course which in this country recently has been mis-handled.

-- Posted by changedname on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 6:32 AM

People in elected office SHOULD be held to a higher standard, that's why they are elected. If anything, the penalties for breaking the law should be the harshest for them to serve as examples and illustrate how Things Aught 'Ta Be (tm) and to show that even those who make the laws are not above them. Heck, people even cry out to punish the Paris Hiltons and Lindasy Lohans of the country saying 'celebrities should not be above the law.' I think it should be doubly true of people in positions to actually impact our country rather than drunken celebrities. I also believe that the highest office in the land should be the most accountable, but, well, you see how that is working out. I wonder if Bush has hired Rob Schneider to hang out at the White House saying 'Mr. I am the law!' whenever he dodges justice.

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 7:50 AM

I am acquainted with Nathan Cooper's parents and they are among the kindest, most honorable people I know. I know they are heartsick over what their son has done, but they will stand by him as he accepts the punishment that justice metes out to him. My prayers are with him and his family.

-- Posted by nephi on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 8:12 AM

I am sure Nathan Cooper's parents are good decent people. Nathan Cooper is a CRIMINAL. He should be given the maximum sentence allowed by law. But I still contend that Mr. Cooper could save himself from jail if he would just enlist and sign the papers to go to Iraq. The Republicans like this war, want to continue it for the wealth of their friends and I think Mr. Cooper should help his friends in this way. No matter how you feel, if he had not been caught he would still be doing the same thing today. ENLIST Nathan ENLIST!!

-- Posted by oldvet on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 8:45 AM


Maybe the Constuction Co. is to blame maybe not.Who cares.Like I said befor,no matter who is to blame.We taxpayers are going to pay for it.

-- Posted by CARDS42 on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 8:46 AM

Cleaning House: I agree we should dump every incumbent in local, state, and national this next election. I can't believe what comes out of the mouths of these candidates. Just heard Giuliani say his plan to cover the uninsured is to give them a hefty tax cut so they could pay for health insurance. The people who are uninsured don't pay taxes because they don't make enough money. When people like Mr. Giuliani think of Walmart they think of the Waltons, or the CEO, or the Board, or the kids of the Waltons. Mr. Giuliani and other rich folks don't think of the cashier who is making $7.50 an hour, or the dock worker who is making $7.00 an hour, or the next raise they will get which will be a nickel or dime an hour. When will the people of this country wake up to the fact they are being fed garbage to keep them down. I challege anyone here to make public the wages of the workers at Walmart. Don't stop there lets see what the CEO of Walmart makes for comparison. Also lets compare the perks.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 9:06 AM


The people who work at Walmart choose to work there. If they don't make enough money to get by, get 2 jobs. If that doesn't work get some job skills. Simply put this is not a completely Socialist country. It is not the governments job to tell an employer what they can pay their employees. If the employees can't stand up for themselves and ask for more money than they should find another job that pays better with better benefits. We need to get the government out of peoples lives, not add more problems with there inept beauracracy. This country was founded under the concept that it is a great country because of its people, not because of its government. This whole idea that the government needs to provide me with healthcare, needs to raise my wages, needs to tax them because they are rich is completely against what the framers had in mind when they set up our government. If you want things like this I'm sure you can find a Socialist Country in the world that will help you out.

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 9:22 AM


Dang right Pal..I agree completely.

Wonder who if any will take your challenge.

Oldvet:your right too..ENLIST MR.Cooper!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 9:48 AM

Darth: You didn't respond to my challenge to you yesterday so will ask again. Give us some solid information on how you would fix the health care crisis or at the least give us some facts, statistics, or links where we may get the same information you seem to get. As far as nobody forcing anyone to work for them, here is my opinion and just that opinion. If a person is willing to work hard for a full day they should be paid a wage on which they may live. As for as my finding a country to live in I have one and it is my right, yes RIGHT, to criticize the government. Remember people like you were still in England when the Pilgrims landed.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 9:55 AM

Greywolf: Bet you a dinner it won't be DarthJason.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 9:57 AM

The cashiers at Wal-Mart in LA should be making what they agree to work for. It should not matter if that is the same, below or above other cashiers in the area.

If it is below other cashiers, then Wal-Mart will lose their good cashiers to the places that pay higher. If it is higher, then the good cashiers will migrate (no pun intended) to Wal-Mart for the higher pay. If it is essentially the same then it probably comes down to location, job security or working conditions.

On another subject, you can tell someone is not worth talking to when they claim that the war is to enrich people or if they use the term "neo-con."

If Mr. Cooper wants to enlist - GREAT. If he chooses not to enlist then he cannot, and should not, be forced to enlist. That decision isn't up to some wannabe with a partisan political agenda.

-- Posted by Elder on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 9:58 AM

Looks like you hit a nerve cannedheat. You got the as MJB calles them profithoes and neocons coming to the rescue of their beloved darthjason. I didn't say Mr. Cooper should enlist I said he could maybe stay out of jail if he enlisted. But wouldn't expect you to understand crime and punishment being you are a neocon. But I say again. ENLIST Nathan ENLIST!!

-- Posted by oldvet on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 10:19 AM

Cannedheat: first I did answer your question that you asked yesterday. But obviously my response doesn't agree with yours so it is completely wrong in your eyes.

You are right on one thing though I would not work for the wages that are paid at Wal-Mart. I did in the past but like most intelligent beings I worked hard, got a higher education, and did more than was required of me to get to a point where I am making a nice living. I learned a long time ago that if you want someting work for it, don't expect anything to be given to you. If you decide to only work your 40hrs. or less a week and say thats enough, then that's all you will ever be worth. If you go the extra mile employers notice and typically will pay you better than someone who only does what they are told. And if that employer won't recognize your worth show some fortitude and find one who will. If I had the work ethic of some people that think like you do than I would still be living in low-income housing in Memphis and whining that the government should take care of me.

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 10:30 AM

I like pie... just throwing that out there.

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 10:45 AM

Ok what's the point of what the CEO of Walmart makes in salary? Looks like it was $29.7 million all together in 2006 per this link... http://walmartwatch.com/blog/archives/wa....

Uh so what? If Walmart employees making $7.50 an hour don't like working under a CEO who makes more in an hour than they make in a year -- then I suppose they can go work somewhere else. Also, I suppose if the Walmart board doesn't think the CEO is worth that much, then they'll fire him.

What's the point of looking at what CEOs make? Jealousy, class envy, what? If a CEO can't perform, they're out of there.

Don't support Walmart or any other business if you don't agree with what they pay their workers, or whatever else they do. No one is forcing you to do business with them.

-- Posted by Rodney King on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 10:58 AM

Why is it that everyone who disagrees with MJB, cannedheat, oldvet, or other person with liberal views is a right wing neo-con? I don't agree with everything that the right wing does. The A word for instance. It seems like it is the number one issue for the Republicrat party. It is a waste of time there are more important issues. Social programs are the number one issue for the Defeatocrat party and I think from my posts you can see how I feel about social programs. Don't get me wrong I think the welfare program is OK but as usual the government screwed that one up. There needs to be stricter guidelines for these programs, and a maximum of say 1 year to get a job and off of the governments, or should I say taxpayers, teet.

See I am not a Neo-con as you like to lable anyone who disagrees with you.

I've said it before I am a Conservative Libertarian, a Veteran of the US Army, and a ****** of taxpayer who thinks my money should be mine, afterall I worked for it noone else did.

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 11:10 AM

Wait a cotton pickin' minute Darth!

I work 40 hours or less and make a very nice

living.Frankly I do not want to work more then 40 hours!Now,one big problem with the CEO'S and the walmart execs is they have this attitude of "They make,we take"!("They",

is the employees and "We" are the CEO'S and

the execs.)Thats a huge problem in todays work place.As for my desire to work no more then 40 hours I guess your a better Man then I am.I prefer to sleep 8 hours and spend another 8 hours with my family(wife and kids and Granbabies)the remaining 8 hours is for work!Call me old fashioned but the truth is

thats how I feel.Half the problem with the younger generation these days is their parents both had to work long hours to make ends meet at home while the kids ran wild with no supervision.Becuase of this,we have

young adults that have **** poor work ethics!

Have you worked with anyone like that Darth?

I bet so.You talk about working hard and money will come easier,well tell that to

walmart employee who is working his butt off to please his manager making 8 or 9 $ an hour!By the way,with this new attitude with these CEO'S the rich get richer and the poor stay poor.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 11:14 AM


I have to disagree. My mother raised my brother and I by herself. She at times had to work 2 or 3 jobs to support us and get us off of welfare. Granted am not that old, I'm in my early thirties, but back then it was an embarassment to be on welfare and live in the projects like we did. Nowadays it is socially acceptable to be on welfare and demand that the government take care of you.

As far as time with the children my mother wasn't at every baseball, football, basketball game, or speed skating meet. But you bet your *** she would still make more than half to support her kids. She broke her back so me and my brother would have a better life, and we came out just fine. I am a college graduate, and so is my brother because our mother taught us that if you want something you have to work hard for it.

Yes I do work 50hrs a week sometimes and I run a small business as well but I still have plenty of time to spend with my wife and daughter. I don't have to work so much, but I choose to. Just like the people who only work what they have to. But who is going to advance faster the person who goes above and beyond or the person who does just enough to get by?

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 11:29 AM

"It is not the governments job to tell an employer what they can pay their employees. If the employees can't stand up for themselves and ask for more money than they should find another job that pays better with better benefits. We need to get the government out of peoples lives, not add more problems with there inept beauracracy."

Could/would be true if it held the same for the employers, big business, mining and trucking industries and CEO's, but it doesn't - all these other groups have our elected officials looking out for them (Nathan Cooper)

-- Posted by justforfun on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 11:33 AM

Its very important to see what these overpaid

CEO'S make Rodney King!Some of these idiots have sucked their companies dry and with that they have ruined the lives and retirements of thousands of hard working employees!!your a fool if you have forgotten

ENRON AND OTHERS!Thank God some of them are behind bars!"Jealousy,class envy I don't

think so.Oh! and lets don't forget those huge undeserved bonuses many of them pay themselves while their hard working employees get laid off!Yep foolish sums your statement up!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 11:48 AM

Again, people who choose to not understand the free market. That Wal-Mart employee who is working hard to make his manager look good will one day be one of those managers.

I learned early in my working life that the best way to get my boss's job was to do everything I could to get her (or him) promoted. That hasn't changed.

-- Posted by Elder on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 11:54 AM

Darthjason must be putting the 50+ hours in after he spends most of his day here trying to justify the Republican agenda.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 12:27 PM

Hilleco: Did the people who staked their lives and future on Enron know they worked in a facist environment? Are you saying that was not part of the free market environment? How can we tell the difference? What about Adelphia, Qwest, Homestore, Merck, AOL Time Warner, Kmart, Arthur Anderson, Dynegy, Halliburton, Bristol, Myers, Global Crossing, and El Paso Electric. Do I need to continue? Weren't these companies working in the free market environment? How many lives were ruined, how many deaths occurred, how much money disappeared, and how many really were punished. Lets us not forget the Bush family involvement in the Savings and loan scandals of the 70's. No one ever went to jail.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 1:04 PM

Cannedheat I just happen to have a job that I am on the computer anyway. So posting on here is pretty easy.

I do have a question for you though.

Why do you want the government to have so much control over your life?

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 1:12 PM

We all have to live within our means. If a person can only make low wages, then they have to learn to deal with it, attempt to improve themselves, look for a better job, get a 2nd or even 3rd job, "try" to not have kids they can't afford. Try doing without a few things.

Oh I can't afford my cigs, booze, designer clothes, my second car, central air, cable tv, cell phone, internet, eating out instead of cooking at home, lottery tickets, name brand mayonaise, extracurricular activities for my kids, etc. etc. I'll blame it on the CEO or my @#$% of a boss for keeping me down. Stop complaining.

-- Posted by QT-PIE on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 1:14 PM

I didn't say wanted the government to have control over my life. I do believe in human compassion and that entails having the availability of health care. I do believe the government can do a better job of health care than we have today. I have seen children die from neglect. I have seen children and old people die from not having proper health care or not being able to afford the care needed. I just get tired of so called Christian Moral Majority holier than thou people saying how letting big business run health care is better for all. It is not, it is not working. I ask you again and this will be the third time, how will you fix the health care crisis. I will make an assumption, please correct me if I am wrong, and say you go to church on Sunday and talk about how much good the church does, but you have no compassion for a child unless that child happens to belong to a financially secure person who can afford health care. Would you turn a sick child away from the emergency room? Would you?

-- Posted by cannedheat on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 1:24 PM

Halliburton? The people I know who worked for Halliburton were well taken care of while they worked for them and after they retired.

-- Posted by Elder on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 1:25 PM

Nobody gets turned away from an emergency room when they need it. No matter how many times they have been there and not paid.

Hyperbole is effective, but should have some element of truth, otherwise it is just a big lie. Unfortunately, a big lie is not always less effective than the truth.

-- Posted by Elder on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 1:29 PM

Hilleco, understand what you are saying now.

Elder: Halliburton in 2002 improperly booked over $100 million in construction overruns, eventually the customers agreed to pay them but not before lawsuits were filed against them. Didn't say they all went broke, Halliburton has enough political clout to fly below the radar of the average American.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 1:36 PM

Was doing real good following this until elder used words I don't know what they mean. Talk in English please.

-- Posted by oldvet on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 1:43 PM

This is probably true of most, if not all, of us:

I am opposed to millionaires... but it would be dangerous to offer me the position. - Mark Twain

Term Limits!

What this country needs is more unemployed politicians. - Edward Langley, Artist (1928 - 1995)

-- Posted by gurusmom on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 1:57 PM

I answered your question yesterday. You didnt like my answer because it does not agree with yours. Enough said.

Everyone who needs medical care in this country has access to it now. They may not be able to have elective procedures done like in the socialist systems but they can get emergency care, and preventative care for a small fee. Doubt me? check out the health departments and clinics like Cross trails med Center.

I am not less compassionate than you are because I don't want Socialized Health Care.

I for one do not want to give the Federal Government that much control over my life.

Check out the countries with socialized medicine. Its wonderful if you are a young person and don't have many problems. They are set up for young people. The number one procedure last year in England was tattoo removal. Do you think its fair to pay for someone else to have a tattoo removed?

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 2:30 PM

Oh for facts: The NHS does not usually pay for tattoo removal, but all you have to do is say you are depressed because you have to live with them and boom they pay for it.

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 2:38 PM

Doesn't Michael Moore have or had stock in Halliburton?

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 2:42 PM

Cannedheat one more question for you. Would you stick a gun to someones head to make them pay for your healthcare?

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 2:45 PM

Hilleco: Yes he was part of the lawsuit that was settled out of court.

Darth you didn't answer the questions you dodge them as well as Gonzales. Now if people who can't pay have access to health care who pays for it? Taxpayers, I suspect you will say and I say DUH. Who pays if the insurance company doesn't pay, taxpayers, DUH. Now again, see I am not like Senator Spector, I will keep asking. You can juke and jive all you want, but I am not a defensive back. How would you fix the health care crisis in America? Would you or would you not turn a child away from the emergency room if they didn't have insurance or cash to pay at that time? Second question doesn't require a dissertation just a yes or no will suffice.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 2:53 PM

Darth, no I would not but if they needed care I wouldn't ask them to open their wallet before I allowed them to have it. Hopefully you aren't as violent as you are starting to seem.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 2:54 PM

First of all No I would not turn a child away from an emergency room. I have worked in emergency medicine and have seen first hand that NOBODY IS TURNED AWAY FROM EMERGENCY MDICAL CARE NOW.

I asked you that question because that is what socialized medicine is. It is using the police power of government to take money from citizens with the threat of force, ie going to jail, to pay for someones insurance.

As I have said before I do not know the best way to fix healthcare as it is. There is a lot going on. But one thing is for certain the government is not the answer. Just look at Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, Hurricane Katrina Response, The VA System.

The government does not do these programs effectively for me to trust them with my healthcare. Thats why I work as hard as I do to pay for Insurance for me and my family.

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 3:03 PM

Cannedheat where are people being turned away from emergency care because they cant pay?

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 3:05 PM

Darth, where is the link for the number one procedure in England. Couldn't find it. Everything I could find says cosmetic surgery is not free in England. I heard of the case you mentioned and I agree that is preposterous. I never said there would not be fraud. You know it and I know it. There will always be those that take advantage of whatever situation there is, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 3:06 PM

Do the research yourself like I did. Don't just follow the Talking points of the Socialist party.

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 3:08 PM

I never said they were being turned away. But now don't understand your argument. If no one is being turned away for care needed, note needed. Then isn't the government taking your taxes to pay for those people?

-- Posted by cannedheat on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 3:10 PM

oh I get it you don't have a link.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 3:11 PM

Oh this is fun. Cannedheat you have to watch your back they are coming from all sides. You need to set up a perimeter and hold it.

-- Posted by oldvet on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 3:18 PM

The amount of taxes being used when the medical establishments writes off for non-payment is miniscule compared to what will be taken from citizens for socialized medicine. Do you actually think that the government will run these programs with the money they have now? Taxes will have to be raised substantially on everyone, not just the "EVIL RICH FOLK". And then with that how is that fair when not everyone pays taxes under our current system. The first thing to be fixed, before healtcare, needs to be the tax system.

If you want something that will truly help every citizen in this country get rid of the I.R.S. and go to a fair tax. Under the current system If you have 100 million dollars and dont work and dont have income you dont pay any taxes. Same goes for the people who don't have enough income. And then this Earned Income Credit crap. All our current system of taxation does is PUNISH productivity. Fix the tax system first!

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 3:41 PM

Wow! No facts, no links, juke, jive, and go off on a tangent to not answer anything direct. Ok then how would you fix the health care crisis.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 3:45 PM

Since you are obsessed with links here is the best one for you.


-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 3:46 PM

If you think health care is expensive now, wait until it is free.

-- Posted by Elder on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 3:46 PM


I submit to you that there is a large portion of people that really can't work at jobs better than WalMart, McDonalds etc...

Why? Becuase our (socialized) educational system does more to keep people stupid than educate them. There is a concerted effort to keep the marginalized population in this country marginalized. What government really wants a well informed, educated and sophisticated population? If we had that, then the very problems we are discussing here would not be problems.

The deck is stacked against them. The harder it is for you, the harder it gets. That is how the system really works.

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 3:47 PM

I have answered your question, and it does not agree with your opinions so in your eyes it is wrong.

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 3:48 PM

Jehova I agree completely. Sending your kids to public school is akin to child abuse these days. I do admit that not all public schools are bad. But statistically speaking private schools are much better. The biggest problem with public school is that the power has been put in the hands of the government and the most powerful union in this country the teachers union. That power needs to be put back on the local level with the citizens in charge.

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 3:51 PM


If you don't want government to have control over your life than why do you want Socialized Healthcare?

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 3:56 PM

Not that link Darth, I want the link or name of the source for your statement that England pays for all tattoo removals and it is the #1 medical procedure in England. Is there a link or source or did you just pull that out of your hindparts.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 4:02 PM

That is correct. People are not turned away if in a dire medical emergency from an emergency room. BUT depending on what is wrong with them, or their ability to pay they will indeed ship them around to another hospital to not treat them or as seen illustrated in Sicko (although not the first place I have heard of it,) they are given the express ride to a city street and dumped. My mother and both sisters have been nurses all their lives and yes, this kind of treatment goes on all the time, even around here.

There is also another element to this and that is if the hospital treats you and you can't pay, they will then pursue you to the ends of time and sue your *** off to get their money as well.

Your arguments seem to discount the real world.

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 4:03 PM

Darth thought we had already decided we had socialized health care, just not health care for all equally. That is my goal. I don't care who manages it, but this profit medicine we have is not the answer. OK how about this, I will settle for all Americans to have the same health care services provided to the President and Congress.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 4:08 PM


Make no mistake, I do NOT want the government like it is now to be in control of health care. Its total pipe dream, but I'd really like to see ALL of government fixed with some sort of universal health care included. It is kind of a package deal because for there to be an actual good health care system, the rest of the corrupt, murderous and tyrannical government would have to be changed as well. Health care is just an illustration of the problems with it all that's currently being talked about in the public discourse. It's part of our wonderful fascist state.

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 4:22 PM

Yes, one hospital in the great "medical center" of Cape will see you in the emergency room on Saturday morning, find a bed for on Saturday afternoon and then totally ignore you until you expire on Wednesday. Why? The urologist is too busy to "drop by" to see you until an infection has spread throughout your body. I know because this is a true account of how I lost my mother at Southeast Hospital. BYW, she had great insurance and Medicare.

-- Posted by iago on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 4:46 PM

Hilleco, sorry I must have missed your comment and question. I apologize to you for that. Jumpinjehova has probably said it better than me. Again sorry for the oversight.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 4:58 PM

This is better than CNN. Good discussion today. Thanks people.

-- Posted by oldvet on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 5:00 PM

Hilleco, no need to apologize. I understand my opinions and thoughts do not set well with others. However, I could very well say I have mine, to hell with them, since I have very good health care. But that kind of thinking is what is wrong with this country. If you got it to hell with those who don't until you don't then you squeal like a pig. What a country!

-- Posted by cannedheat on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 6:28 PM

Has anyone noticed there has been no speak out comments about Iraq here. Wonder why? 48 killed so far this month. Can't get a count on Iraqi civilians. I know DarthJason they are just collateral.

-- Posted by oldvet on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 6:32 PM

Ballou, some don't even get 50 cents an hour they are too young, so they pay them less. But then we all do like are nice expensive shirts.

-- Posted by oldvet on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 6:35 PM

this is my kinda page, rednecks and politicians.

-- Posted by minute-man on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 10:22 PM

How many regular bloggers on this site have a full time job? My most recent estimate is 4.67%

-- Posted by philosopher king on Fri, Aug 17, 2007, at 11:12 PM

83.3% of statistics are just made up.

-- Posted by Elder on Sat, Aug 18, 2007, at 11:33 AM

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