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Speak Out 8/16/07

Thursday, August 16, 2007

Paying for repairs

WHO SHOULD be paying for the problems with the new federal courthouse? The construction company should pay for things that are clearly its fault, not taxpayers.

Magazine compliments

TBY MAGAZINE arrived three days late but was well worth the wait. It was quality reading on a hot day. I especially enjoyed the article about local storyteller Dean Allison. Also the feature on Jeannie Eddleman's artistic talents and Steve Bender's "A Letter to my Father." Here are some suggestions to improve readability: Consider using a larger typeface, and please number all the pages.

Mental blindness

I'D LIKE to dedicate this old saying to David Limbaugh: "There are none so blind as those who will not see."

Healthy corn dogs

REGARDING THE complaint about soda machines being taken out but corn dogs and nacho chips still being served: The corn dogs are baked turkey dogs, which are low sodium and healthy, and the nacho chips are also baked with low-fat cheese.

Must be caught

THERE SEEMS to be a trend among our elected leaders that something's really not wrong unless you get caught at it. Case in point: Nathan Cooper. I'm reminded of the old joke about a shark that won't bite a lawyer due to professional courtesy.

Secure the borders

IT IS unbelievable that six years after the worst terrorist attack in our history America's borders are still not secure. Giving amnesty to foreigners is not and will not ever be the way to make us safe. We have called on repeatedly on our legislators and President Bush to build better fences, hire more guards and get the latest technology to secure our borders, but it doesn't seem to be a priority. And with people who have the ethics like Nathan Cooper, we don't need any outside enemies. I am so sick of politicians who think they are better than law-abiding citizens. The comprehensive immigration bill fell only 14 votes short of the 60 needed, and it will be brought up again. If you don't speak up, don't complain when the foreigners are in control of our country.

Thomas W. Kelly

I WAS disappointed when I read the article about the Kelly School District. It should have mentioned that Thomas W. Kelly, who died in combat in France in World War II, was a native of Commerce and that he left his military insurance to his alma mater, Benton High School.

Opinions on abortion

I THINK Kathryn Lopez was well informed and has a right to her opinion on the abortion issue. I was 20 years old in 1973 when Roe v. Wade and Dole v. Bolton made abortion legal throughout all nine months of pregnancy. I disagreed with it then, and 34 years later I still disagree. I don't think we should always label younger people naive. I think it has more to do with who is better informed. As far as the coat-hanger days, there's not one documented case of this anywhere. It was simply another lie to promote a cause.

Fair weather

I PREDICT our drought problem will end in mid-September. It has to. That's the week of the SEMO District Fair. Bring on the fair.

It's not free

I WAS stationed in Britain and Italy while in the Air Force, and I saw how their medical systems worked. They look pretty good on the surface, but the ugly little secret no one is talking about are the tax rates they pay in those countries in order to cover the cost. It's not going to be free.

Too much warning

SURELY SOMEONE in Marble Hill city government could figure out either how to set the new storm-warning siren testing dates or figure out whom to call to have it done properly. It was to be tested on the first Monday of every month, but it has gone off every Monday for several weeks. It's nice to have the siren, but at least test it correctly.

Laptops banned

SANITY MAY be returning to some classrooms where laptops may be banned.

What involvement?

GOV. MATT Blunt praised federal prosecutor Catherine Hannaway for her efforts in the Nathan Cooper matter while almost at the same time Hannaway was quoted in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch as saying she had absolutely no involvement whatsoever. What's going on here?

Water for pets

IF YOU have a dog outside, do not forget to give it fresh water before you go to work. Do not forget to do it at lunch, if you have enough time, and when you get home from work. We know how we feel when we are outside for a few minutes. Pets are out there all day. Black dogs get really hot. Give them a small baby pool. They love us so much. Give them that extra something special when it is extremely hot.

Three Rivers in review

THREE RIVER Community College's Cape Girardeau venture is the latest in a series of strange events emanating from the Bootheel. First Three Rivers sues Southeast Missouri State University. Then it opens five sites across from established Southeast sites. Then it abruptly closes the Bernie site. Then it raises tuition and hidden fees for those off-campus sites to $113 a credit hour (almost as much as the university charges). Meanwhile, Nero fiddles as the infrastructure at the Poplar Bluff campus crumbles. Someone needs to pull those covers back and look at what is happening to the citizens' taxes.


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The conclusion of social experiment #1474 titled, Betrayal, has come to pass as of 8/15/07 at 18:27.

Mr. Michael J. Ballou has uncovered and exposed the group operating as Pappa Clause and Piledriver. Group number 2,3 and 4

Have not been identified and their code names will not be released so that they may be used in the future. Mr. Ballou should be recognized by his fellow citizens as having an above average memory and has shown a wonderful capacity for research and storage of topics that mean very little to the average American Adult. Our Group is thankful to all that had engaged in debate with Pappa Clause or Piledriver and notes that when we changed the topic only one person was able to or willing to engage in debate with as much information as Mr Ballou and their handle is jumpinjehova.

Other people that were part of our 90 day study were as follows: oldvet,greywolf yomama, taranulas, canned heat, philosopher king,rodney king,doc05,android24,darthjason and stevmo.

It should be noted that while each of you were debating either pappa clause or piledriver you were actully engaged with a group of 12 students from Missouri involved in a study of social communications.

All of you did a tremendous job and should be pleased with your knowledge of current and past events in America. Mr Ballou was the first to make the connection with the two handels we chose. Also should be noted that greywolf was probably the next one to do so considering the debate that the students of piledriver had him engaged with, And the fact that pappa clause had already gave him a hint that we may be posting under more than one handle.

Thanks Again and keep up the debate. America needs intelligent people like you now more than ever before. Because if we ever stop asking questions, we will have lost the debate.

Students of the

University Of Missouri at Columbia Mo.

-- Posted by Pappa Clause on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 12:11 AM

-- Posted by poppa on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 12:13 AM

Now your talkin Ballou!Best post I have seen from you in several days.I AGREE..new leadership is exactly what is needed.I would also encourage anyone to go through the process of getting signatures of 50 registered voters in their ward and file to run.I am a bit older then many, so I encourage

some young blood with the ability to govern and with no special interest to win a seat on the council.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 6:27 AM

COOL!

-- Posted by calypso12 on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 6:52 AM

Re:Paying for repairs:

I dont think the construction co. should pay for the repairs to the federal courthouse.They were doing what they were told.No matter what or who is at to blame we tax payers are going to pay for it.Weather we like it or not.

-- Posted by CARDS42 on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 9:25 AM

MJB to answer your question about why are the borders still open. I don't think it has anything to do with 9/11. I think it has more to do with trying to get more votes. The GOP and the DEMS have demonstrated this throughout the last year with the amnesty program. Thankfully the citizens stopped them recently from granting illegal aliens amnesty. Now I completely agree that the Southern Border is one of the most important aspects of National Security. But both parties, especially the Dems, are determined to gain power through votes. If people do what they with the amnesty bill and call their reps. than change can happen. If your reps don't listen than vote them out of office.

MJB here is a question for you. How do you feel about term limits for the Senate and House? I personally feel that with term limits we as the citizens can remind these fools that we control things not them.

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 9:33 AM

MJB, Just yesterday you point out that we live in a Representative Republic with a Constitution. But you want Socialized Health Care. I don't understand how the two can go together without making the founding fathers roll in their graves.

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 9:39 AM

RE: Opinions on abortion

I'm not going to get into a debate about abortion, but I just wanted to say that the "coat-hanger days" are not a lie, OF COURSE it isn't documented...I don't think that anyone wanted to document or admit and then go jail for mutilating some woman. Back-door abortions were/are very dangerous to the health of the woman. There's no reason for women to become so desperate and go through illegal means. It's a free country!

-- Posted by foodie on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 9:43 AM

What!Does this mean the end of great converstaions with the Pile and Papa?

Not sure I will be able to handle the silence.Oh but there is hope on the horizon.

They tell us that there may be more to come in the future.So be it ya'l.It was fun.Keep up the good work and I am sorry if I actually

upset any of you.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 9:54 AM

Greatloverofdanes, Do you breed danes in Millersville? If so than I think I know you.

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 9:56 AM

I'd like for someone to answer this. Why is it that "Jesus Name", churches misquote John 3:5.

Jesus very words in John 3:5 (Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

Yet when they quote it they always put an extra word in this verse. They say it like this. Born of THE water and of the Spirit.

One can plainly read that Jesus was talking about a natural birth and a Spirit but. One has been born of water at birth but one doe's need to be baptized of the Spirit.

Don't you know we're not to add to or take away form the word.

-- Posted by bcman on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 10:05 AM

I'd like for someone to answer this. Why is it that "Jesus Name", churches misquote John 3:5.

Jesus very words in John 3:5 (Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

Yet when they quote it they always put an extra word in this verse. They say it like this. Born of THE water and of the Spirit.

One can plainly read that Jesus was talking about a natural birth and a Spirit but. One has been born of water at birth but one doe's need to be baptized of the Spirit.

Don't you know we're not to add to or take away form the word.

-- Posted by bcman on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 10:06 AM

Foodie:

YOUR ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

That is all I have to say about that subject.

DarthJason:

The founding Fathers started rolling over in their graves 100 years ago.Term limits for the Senate and House:YES

I would take it a step further and limit the Presidency to 6 years one term so that were not forced to deal with a campaigning President every 3 years.

MJB:

In France the people are afraid of each other!I do appreciate what they did for

us in our own Revolution aginst England

but since then they have lost all respect

for us and what we did for them in 1944.

I have relatives buried over there and I wish

I could retreve them and bring them home

and away from that coward Country.

I do agree with you on the Health care issue

and The Moore Film was at the least interesting.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 10:10 AM

Oh my, infiltrated by the Dirty Dozen! And apparently you are not finished yet. Bring it on, we will all be more diligent in the future.

-- Posted by Hawker on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 10:19 AM

MJB:

Your response ti "it's not free" continues to put forward the same old socialized medicine is better folderol I have been hearing for years - the belief that that a government program is the best way to go. Then you turn right around in your next post and say "This is America... competition is good!"

Allow me to share my beliefs with you: government responsible for much of the state of hwealth care here today. Why do I say that? Allow me to enlighten you. I will use one of our local hospitals as an example of how government involvement has negatively impacted healthcare: According to a friend of mine on the hospitals board of directors - not a doctor, just a concerned business man who wants to help, and a large contribitor to the hospital - for the last several years, the hospital has had to WRITE-OFF over 50% of the cost of providing care to certain patients. This is 50% of COST - what the hospital pays to care for each patient - what it costs to pay nurses, housekeepers, cooks, pay utilities, make repairs, buy supplies. This year, it looks as if that figure is going to exceed 60%. What types of patients are we describing? Those who are on MediCare and MedicAid. Why? Because both of those programs have a maximum amount they will pay for care. And, the hospital is not allowed to try to collect from the patient - they must, by law, except the governments pittance as payment in full. Have you ever owned a business? If so, how long would you be able to operate if you had that type of loss? So, to recover those lost COSTS, hospitals have to pass those costs on to other patients. Now, insurance companies are following suit - they are offering only a percentage of cost to hospitals. So, in order to stay afloat, many hospitals are being forced to try to aggressively collect the remanider from the patients. Usually, it ends up in a write-off. Many hospitals stay afloat these days only due to donations and fund raising efforts. And then there are the lawsuits. God forbid someone bump their elbow going through a door - they'll sue for $10 million! Physicians have the same problems getting paid by MediCare, MedicAid and insurance companies. This has caused inflation in prices so that costs can be recovered. I see a relatively young physician here in town who has never been sued for malpractice. He told me his malpractice insurance costs him $7500 per month. So at $50 a pop - it takes 150 patients visits just to pay his malpractice insurance.

Bottom line here is that if government was either completely out of the healthcare business, or at least covered costs which we cannot afford, and we could get people to stop being sue-happy, we might see prices come down a bit. As for the cost/benefit ratio in Europe - exactly which dimension did you visit? Been there - was stationed there while in the Army. Saw it first hand. The camp where I was posted in Italy utilized a local hospital, on contract, for major medical care - we only had a troop medical clinic - and I saw that system at work first hand. No thank you - I'll stay with what we have here.

-- Posted by Little_Mac on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 10:24 AM

Mhillman:

Your last sentence quotes Revelation 22:18

It says "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book".That means the book of Revelations.As for Taking away from the BOOK,I would have to say that Constantine

in the 14th century took care of that.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 10:44 AM

Oh come on Doc,

The medical industry in this Country is out of control just like our Government!Quit defending it.Its screwed up and you know it.

We need some sort of health care in this Country period!We send billions of dollars to third world Countries most of which is

taken by corrupt people who use it for their own personal gains.By God we could have free health care here if we changed our foreign

policies.I hear many people say"oh we have the best health care on the planet"BULL!

The reason for all the unpaid healthcare at hospitals and Doctor offices is because too manny Americans can't afford it.Hell,I already pay over 30% of my income to the government and again most of it is wasted on jerks in Countries that want us all dead.How much closer to socialism can you get?Bring on free healthcare I will be happy to pay my share if we reconsider sending these billions to countries that waste it!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 11:03 AM

Doc05: If the hospital is losing 50% of its income how do they operate? The other question is how do they continue to buy land, expand facilities and compete. Doesn't make sense to me. Please enlighten an ignorant person.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 11:33 AM

I will gladly give up my portion of foreign aid to Israel, Saudi Arabia, and various other nations that would just as soon we not exist and give that part to National Health Care. Call me a liberal, flaming bleeding heart or whatever, but I feel that all peoples have the RIGHT to health care, not just the elite or rich.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 11:37 AM

The problem with the anti-government controlled medical system is that it is proven to work in plenty of other (respected) countries just fine for a long time. And no, I am not just taking Micheal Moore's word for it. Doctors can still make more alot more money than the average person and not have million dollar malpractice insurance to worry about. My wife is in the medical field and one place she worked had 2 doctors (married couple.) They spent well over a million dollars a year in premiums for malpractice insurance. This is because of insurance company greed as well as our sue-happy culture we have fostered in this country. The pharmacutical companies are also direct marketing to the public via commercial bombardment on virtually every channel. Our medical system is terribly broken. I don't profess to have any answers, but I know that the way we are doing it now has to be one of the worst.

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 11:54 AM

Who talks to their doctor about his/her malpractice insurance? Doc05 must in fact be a doctor or hospital person, because he defends the health care system with diligence. I am like Cannedheat, please enlighten me also. The other question I have to ask is where do you see a doctor in Cape for $50? The smallest my bill has ever been is $65 and that was for a revisit. My other question is how much is the tax rate in Germany, England, Canada, Denmark, France, or any of the other countries with national health care? And just think, you young doctor could save $7,500 a month on insurance. As far as law suits are concerned, I admit some are frivolous, but also a necessary evil. Keeps the doctors from negligent care to make a few dollars, and don't tell me all doctors are saints and non would do that.

-- Posted by lvsholeflow on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 12:03 PM

Pappa Clause:

What do I win for providing you with entertainment? If it's another Skinner box, no thanks. ;)

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 12:03 PM

Doc05, sorry misread your post. See where you said 50% of "certain patients". Sorry for the mistake. But by certain patients do you mean medicare and medicaid? Have to ask this question, would you like to see the hospital be allowed to turn these patients away? Please answer and be honest it will lend itself to some very good discussion about care and who should be provided that care.

-- Posted by lvsholeflow on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 12:16 PM

Now since the BIG CAT is out of the bag.{papa clause}There is no more good entertainment speak out anymore.Except for MJB who is probably right now typing his next mile long rant.

-- Posted by CARDS42 on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 12:21 PM

doc05: A lot of those hospital numbers you provided don't account for a big factor in all the write-offs and high costs which is hospital incompetence. I'd bet that over half of those write-offs are due to hospital personal screwing up. They coded something wrong, they lost some papers, they didn't bill it on time, etc... Hospitals are constantly write-offing their mistakes. Talk to a lowly business office clerk at a hospital instead of a board member and they can tell you about the millions of dollars worth of procedures that the hospital performed but didn't get properly paid for because they never got a proper bill out to Medicare or the insurance company.

Lawsuits are a very minor factor in the overall price of health care. Just look at the numbers the medical malpractice insurance industry collects almost 30 billion a year from doctors & hospitals. That is a lot of money, but when you figure that the entire health care industry brings in well over two TRILLION a year it's a couple drops in the bucket. Basically if we banned 100% of medical lawsuits at most we might see healthcare costs decrease by an entire 1%. For a mere tort reform bill capping costs it would be a miracle to get more than a .30% reduction in costs.

Personally I'd love to see a system in which all preventive care was single-payer style to convince as much of the population as possible to get immunizations and regular screenings and tests. Then have private insurance limited to catastrophic insurance (with $5,000+ deductibles with no maximum payments) that is not linked to employers and prices in risk factors like age, obesity, smoking, and other high-risk behaviors. That way everybody gets a basic level of preventive care for "free"(taxpayer paid of course), but if they break their arm or go to the doctor every time they get a cough or a blister they'll pay 100% out of pocket. If the worst case happens and they get into a bad accident or get cancer then it is up to private insurers to cover 95% of the costs. That would provide the right set of economic motivations for every person to get proper care, but also keep hypochondriacs and those with riskier lifestyle choices from driving up everybody else's cost.

-- Posted by Nil on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 12:27 PM

Nil:

You make no sense at all!Your answer to health care borders on discrimination!

That surely will not fly.You are telling us that the hospital employees are to blame for

the high healthcare cost.Thats just about a bunch of bull!The entire system is failing

and if you can't see that your blind.Insurance based on lifestyle is ridiculous.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 12:45 PM

Where in the Constitution does it say we have a RIGHT to health insurnce? I can't find that one.

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 1:26 PM

Darthjason:

Now that was a ridiculous statement!

Where in the Constitution does it say

there should be federal income tax?!

My point is,Democracy and capitalism

is something that evolves with time.

Things change and as they do, so goes our

Constitution...right down the drain!

As we speak its stuck in the gooseneck.

Soon we will be flushed down the toilet!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 3:20 PM

Doc05,

Ironically, if universal health care does come about, something you strongly oppose, it will be in large part due to your own ongoing violations of the Hippocratic oath by continually neglecting the welfare of your patients so as to blog on this woefully uninfluential website!

-- Posted by philosopher king on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 3:42 PM

I don't think it is a rediculus statement. The comment was made that everyone has the right to Free Healthcare. Where is that right written.

Though I completely disagree with the personal income tax system. The Constitution was amended to allow our Empirial Federal Government to use it's police power, I.R.S., to take citizens money.

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 4:28 PM

As far as I am concerned there have been 44 murders so far this month committed by our Congress. The Iraqi government went on vacation, told us they would do so, and the Congress did nothing. The day they left the building we should have started pulling all our troops out immediately. 44 murders so far this month and counting.

-- Posted by oldvet on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 4:50 PM

Darth, I then ask you to give some how you would fix the heath care crisis in the U.S., or do you believe there is no crisis. Please tell us how the U.S. system is better than the British system. Now is your chance to give facts not just ridicule.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 5:13 PM

Ok DarthJason you made your point.

I have to believe that this Country can and should have healthcare readily available to

every American Citizen.I say again!We have the funds.They just need to be diverted from a foolish foreign policy not to mention puting and end to unbelievable out of control spending on absolutely ridiculous

crap our Government gets its teeth into.The

money is there and its ours, we just need to take it back and use it for the betterment of Our own society and not a bunch of third world Countries that would rather see us all dead!I just can't see anyone arguing with that, Republican or Democrat yet they keep on giving it all away!Socialized healthcare,I say bring it on.And No I am not a Democrat!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 5:15 PM

Three Rivers in review

I've heard that a lawyer runs that college so no wonder! I did hear that a local politician - eastern county election commissioner Robbie Myers (republican of course) - was hand-picked to be their chief financial officer. We don't need them in Cape Girardeau. Let's start our own community college if needed.

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-- Posted by Sam on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 5:36 PM

People always gripe about HMO's but socialized healthcare is one huge HMO.

The government for one thing cannot do any social program right. Look at the problems with Medicare, The VA system, Social Security.

Do you really want the government to decide what should be done to you medically? Do you really want the government to have that much control over your lives?

OK you want me to talk about other countries. If Socialized Healthcare is so perfect why is Canada trying to change their laws to begin allowing its citizens to get private insurance? Why do Canadian citizens that have the money come here to have the procedures that they need done but the government says they don't need done?

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 5:52 PM

Darth still nothing solid. How about some facts, so statistics, some links where we can read the facts.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Thu, Aug 16, 2007, at 6:31 PM


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