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Speak Out 8/9/07

Thursday, August 9, 2007

All's well

ALL IS right with the world again. Bob and Callie are back in my Sunday newspaper.

Not soon enough

I WAS so pleased about the Missouri Legislature's passage of the bill eliminating state income tax on our Social Security checks. Now I get information from state Sen. Jason Crowell that only 20 percent will be exempt this year, and phased out by 2012. When you're 86 years old, it won't help much. Why not eliminate it all this year?

P&G tax goes to Jackson

THE CALLER who said the Nell Holcomb School District receives a great deal of money of Procter & Gamble needs to check his facts. Almost all the Procter & Gamble tax revenue goes to the Jackson School District, not the Nell Holcomb School District.

Paying over and over

IT DOESN'T surprise me that the new federal building needs a new roof. Any time the government does anything, it costs the taxpayer over and over again. It's time to vote incumbents out of office. Our representatives have lost touch with reality.

All in one paragraph

A RECENT comment suggested that people opposed to the Iraq war were denigrating our troops. The comment also suggested that we walked away from victory in Vietnam. In one brief paragraph this comment demonstrated that author understood neither the critics nor the war in Iraq and certainly not the war in Vietnam. Not bad for one short paragraph.

Farm subsidies

REGARDING THE farm-welfare piglet subsidies: To find the amount of farm subsidies which some farmers in the Cape Girardeau County area receive, go to Web site ewg.org. Here you can see the piglet problem regarding the farm welfare program.

Made in the U.S.

WE ARE having so many recalls from China about food, dog food and now children's toys. Why don't we try making these things ourselves?

Spend money at home

REGARDING THE tragedy with the bridge collapsing: Why haven't we inspected the bridges before? Why do we wait for a catastrophe to inspect bridges all over the United States? Officials said it would cost an astronomical amount of money to replace bridges or to upgrade them. How much money are we spending on the war? Why don't we bring our troops home where the belong? Then we could spend all the billions of dollars we're sending over there here in America.

Nature center

IN THE article about Cape Girardeau's attractions, the nature center at Cape County Park North was omitted. This is a very important and one of the best assets that has come to this area. I'm sure it has drawn lots of visitors.

No forgetting

I WOULD like to know what the General Services Administration means when it says unused funds would be used to fix problems on the new federal building. Do we have a surplus of money for screwups the GSA makes? If we do, we should lower taxes. The GSA's regional director says those problems will be forgotten once the courthouse opens. I won't forget it, and I'll show my dissatisfaction when election time rolls around by voting against anyone who had anything to do with this boondoggle.

Clean highways

I WOULD like to applaud Joe and Freda Sauer for their efforts cleaning up Highway 74 Southern Expressway. It pleases me seeing people who take the effort to keep our highways beautiful and clean.

Use caution

I THINK one should look out for those who are disabled, whether mentally or physically challenged, and be grateful that you are able to walk around. I talked to a man recently who said power chairs are hard to maneuver. As able-bodied people, surely we can stay out of the way. Of course, users of power chairs don't have a license to be careless either.

Too complacent

CONGRATULATIONS TO Three Rivers Community College for its guts and foresight in announcing its attentions to develop a Cape Girardeau extension. This shows real leadership from the staff and governing body. In this day and age, we need to buck the establishment more. People have become too complacent. Let's bring back the spirit of the 1960s. Stand up and be counted.

Blame government

I HAVE lost all respect for not this nation but, as John Steinbeck said, "this government." Without one word of warning, my Supplemental Security Income was taken away. That leaves me with $565 a month. I'm a veteran of Korea, and I'm writing for millions in the same boat. My livelihood has been taken by the senseless war in Iraq, overweight smokers, people who live for the moment -- egged on by celebrity idiots and false advertisements -- and politicians. Until we give up four TVs in every household and face reality now, you will never be prepared for what's coming, which is loss of our freedom and our destruction.

It's broken

I WANT to comment about the new federal building. The government approved everything before it was done. Someone's signed off on it. This is an example of what government does, and Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and John Edwards wants to turn our health care over to the government. They think the government knows better how to do everything than everyone else. They're all for big government. This is an example. Everything the government touches, including our Social Security, is as broke as the federal building.

Listen to soldiers

I AM certain that not every soldier in Iraq is in the same neighborhood, and yet the theme seems to be the same. Why are so many here at home willing to believe the slanted rantings of the media and of politicians with an obvious agenda rather than the brave soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines who are there? Why do you have so little respect for them? That is like being treated in an emergency room and, instead of listening to the doctor who treated you when he tells you what you need for treatment and follow-up, calling Paris Hilton for her opinion.

No soccer dogs

IT IS nearing soccer season, I hope Jackson puts a stop to allowing people to bring their dogs to the soccer park. There is nothing worse than seeing a dog defecate on the playing field before a game that our children play on.

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Blame Government:

Supplemental Security Income is for the low-income disabled who do not have enough credits to be eligible for Social Security Disability. It is income-based: I believe the cap is $623 a month. If you have an income of $565, you should qualify for the difference between SSI's cap and your income.

SSI has done the same to others who they believe do not qualify for these funds (either because they discovered the person's outside income, or determined that they are no longer disabled), without any notification.

It is right for our government to disallow SSI for those who do not qualify. It is totally wrong for them not to contact that person in advance, and advise them of their rights to appeal.

How has the war in Iraq and "overweight smokers" taken away a person's livelihood?

-- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 2:23 AM

Hey Mickey, What caused the concrete and steel overpass to collapse in California a few months ago? Answer - a fire. No explosion, just burning fuel. Would the collapse of thousands of tons of material sound loud, maybe even like an explosion?

-- Posted by Solelicious on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 5:18 AM

The war on terror is a farce! 9/11 was an inside job, as anybody with an open mind can plainly see. WTC 7 is the most obvious example of controlled demolition as it fell to the ground in it's own footprint within 6 1/2 seconds. A steel framed building succumbing to random fires simply cannot do that, unless the laws of physics have been suspended. Come to your senses, and realize that NORAD stood their jets down that morning (Read 'A New Pearl Harbor' by David Ray Griffin), thus the military was involved in the very heart of the tragedy.

The really frightening part is what might happen next, especially with the Bush crime family now threatening Iran. It is high time that these criminals are taken to task for their actions through impeachment and criminal trials. If we as a people don't act now, it soon will be time to prepare for the coming police state!!!

-- Posted by Truther on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 6:49 AM


Do you EVER leave your computer?? I am starting to believe that you sleep in front of it! You should have carpal tunnel now, as much as you go on and on. I enjoy seeing your name though...so I can hurry and scroll past your rantings.

-- Posted by pookiebear on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 7:35 AM

dogs and soccer-It's not just soccer, clean up your dogs mess were ever you go. People might love your dog but not the stuff it leaves behind. Be responsible.

All bridges are inspected regularly. Billions of dollars are spent each year on transportation infrastructure and it's sad to hear people try and take advantage of this collapse to make political points. The state had lots of money to spend and made a mistake on where to spend it.

And you 9-11 losers are just sad.

-- Posted by stevmo on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 7:43 AM

sheesh here we go again it's every freaking @#$% day with this WTC crap. WE'VE ALL SEEN THE VIDEOS and we've ALL already SEEN and READ all the THEORIES on this.

MJB, what do you want from us?

I propose a new topic for you conspiracy theorists...

Why was Tim McVeigh only on deathrow for 5 years? What was the rush to kill him so quickly when there are other people on deathrow waiting a much longer time?

-- Posted by Rodney King on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 8:11 AM

Michael J. Ballou, I am respectfully asking that you consider not posting here and instead starting your own blog. We've gotten your point on 9-11, the government, etc., and your continual ranting does nothing to win people to your way of thinking. Instead, your disrespect toward others, your condescending tone, and your long repetetive posts cause people to be totally opposed to your ideas. It's gotten to the point where it's no longer enjoyable to come here and read other people's opinions because of how you browbeat anyone who disagrees with you. I know this is probably futile, but I am asking, for the sake of this outlet and all other posters, that you start your own blog and stop trying to monoplize the discussions here. Thank you.

-- Posted by SEMOfan80 on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 8:16 AM

I agree with SEMOfan80, I have almost stopped reading any of the blogs because of how rediculous some of the comments have become. In the beginning I enjoyed reading others comments, but not anymore. I think each comment should be limited to a certain amount of space.

-- Posted by AVictom on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 8:41 AM

Maybe MJB should try to get his own column in the paper. Then, we just wouldn't have to go to that section at all. That would save us from having to scroll so much! LOL

MJB: You know, they DO have medication for people who are paranoid. I think you have watched the movie "Conspiracy Theory" too much.

-- Posted by pookiebear on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 8:43 AM

"Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want rain without thunder and lightning": Frederick Douglass {1817-1895}. So speak on MJB, speak on.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 8:56 AM

Ok Rodney, we can debate the Oklahoma City bombing as well, same people were responsible for it. Not your elected officials, but the people that give them their orders, reguardless of political party.

Steve-mo, why always with the name calling and slander and never with substantial arguments or addressing points of fact?

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 9:14 AM

jumpinjehova... expound on "people that give them their orders"...

I think you may be heading in a direction that is of great interest to me, but I could be mistaken as well.

-- Posted by Rodney King on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 9:28 AM

re Spending money at home

The bridge conditions are a prime example of what I call the 'car recall' theory of economics. Someone, somewhere determines that it is cheaper to let vehicles fail and maybe pay out a few lawsuits than to recall every vehicle and have them fixed. Same thing with the bridges. People in charge of making things safe seem to look only at the monetary costs of things, and never the human cost of lives that are lost due to their inaction. The money that would have been used to repair that bridge correctly has been saved to be invested or used elsewhere on growing. It's still cheaper to pay off the surviving family members than it was to fix that bridge. And now of course there is a new constuction project to be bidded out for the good ole boy network.

Turns out it is easy to put a price on a life. The decision makers like that do it all the time.

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 9:29 AM

Rodney, I am speaking of the Global Elite. The big They. Who are they? I dunno. They didn't get into their positions by loudly proclaiming their intentions. I do not mean a race of Reptillian aliens or mad magicians from some ancient order. Contrary to opinion, I really am not insane. I mean people with enough money who gets to decide who lives and who dies on a large scale.

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 9:34 AM

MJB, JEHOVA, and all of you conspiracy theorists there is a website where you guys can go and get along with everyone else and be happy. Its called Daily Kos.

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 10:00 AM

MJB you are the most irritating individual in Cape Girardeau and perhaps the entire State of Missouri.Not just that but you are a fool.Yes fool!You drag and post all the crap you can find from all these conspiracy sites and have no idea how to think for yourself.That also makes you foolish.I hate to call people names but sometimes the truth does hurt.I wish you would purchase a airline ticket to any other Country and get the hell out of mine.You obviously hate it and don't trust it.Better yet you may be a terrorist and if thats the case then we need to deal with you with extreme prejudice!

somehow I bet your sitting at home on disability with a welfare purchased computer

and couldn't hold a real job if your life depended on it.No one believes your tirades

in this media.Those that do are actually you because you write under so many other names.

I encourage everyone who is tired of this foolish crap to click on the exclamation point just to the right of his name.Perhaps the webmaster will delete all his rants and save us all some space here.

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 10:31 AM

Darth: You seem to be an intelligent person. How come you don't answer my question of where the aircraft parts are in the Pentagon crash? The hole in the pentagon could have been made by any number of objects. Drone was the first to come to my mind when I saw the pictures right after the attack. Don't know if you are familiar with aircraft, but to fly a 767 just above the ground would be an almost impossibility. Call me a conspiracy nut if you want but I do deal in facts.

-- Posted by oldvet on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 10:35 AM


In case any of you didn't know, I just wanted to post a website link on here, since it seems such a poplar thing to do, by one individual. At this link, you can look-up court cases, PEOPLES NAMES, etc. You can find-out some INTERESTING things about people..uhhhmmm. Hope you find this site of some value.


-- Posted by pookiebear on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 10:39 AM

Mike Ballou--Seems you have the regular bloggers quite ticked off, but not me! I read one of your very first diatribes and, since then, I just scroll right on by whatever it is you post. So, you keep right on going, and I'll keep right on scrolling. We'll call it the Great Compromise.

-- Posted by Hawker on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 10:58 AM

Thats very interesting pookie ! I was suprised on how many Dan Riley's there was lol. None are me though. I have been A good boy.

-- Posted by Dan Riley on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 11:10 AM

Good one Hawker!

-- Posted by pookiebear on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 11:10 AM

Dan...yes, it's a very helpful website! It's helped me to avoid being aquainted with some very bad people in the past. You never know who to trust these days, and this site helps weed them out a bit!

-- Posted by pookiebear on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 11:12 AM

If everyone will stop replying to MJB.Then maybe just maybe he will stop.I feel when you reply to his rant & raving you just give him more fuel to rant on. We can all report him to the web master or e-mail the newspaper about him.I just did!

-- Posted by CARDS42 on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 11:13 AM


I distinctly remember on the cable news channels them showing the tail section of the airplane that hit the pentagon. Besides if I'm not mistaken planes are made of aluminum and at the speed the plane was moving and then hitting an extremely reinforced building that is designed to withstand a certain amount of force that would stand to say that the peices of the plane to which you ask were probably destroyed beyond your or my recognition. I was not there and have to rely on the news. Were you there on that dreadful day?

Sorry about the poor grammar skills. but this is an internet blog.

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 11:37 AM

Darth, if you have seen a picture with a tail section, then by all means post it asap! It is the only one in exsistence. No one has been able to produce any pictures of any large pieces of plane from the Pentagon.

Why is it that we on the 'conspiracy nut' angle post facts and links to back up those facts and you others not similarly inclined only post the most slanderous schoolyard name calling? I simply ask people to be open-minded and ask questions. You don't have to believe me, but at least open your mind and eyes and evaluate the evidence. I agree that the 9/11 posting have gotten out of control here and dominate the discussions, but it's not only from one point of view. Some is defensive posting against narrow-minded childish games.

For instance, Greywolf. You spent a few minutes of your life today calling a poster on a website 'disabled, on welfare, unable to hold a job.' You also called him a terrorist (not the first occasion) with a veiled death threat. Wow. Think about that. If you get this riled up over postings of different ideologies, perhaps it is yourself that cannot function in a society that still allows free thought and expression of opinions. Might I suggest China?

(see how childish that is?)

I can assure you I am a real person, not MJB, and several of other posters here I can verify are not him as well. I also know he is gainfully employed and a gracious buisnessman. We have met, along with other posters here and we are all certainly seperate people with good jobs and operational brains.

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 11:59 AM

Oh,no, Rodney King---you DIDN'T just now start him on THAT!!! Tell me it ain't so!!!

I look forward to R.K., and the comments of many of the others. None of them know me, and I don't know them. Evens the playing field.

Just wait 'till the county road paving clusterflub starts to cook again, THEN it'll be MY turn....

-- Posted by donknome on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 12:07 PM

Darth: No I wasn't there but have looked at every picture available. Again, I spent over 20 yrs flying and have been to a few aircraft crashes. I have yet to see a plane totally disappear. The hole in the Pentagon could possible hold the fuselage but the wings, tail section and horizontal stabilizers would still be outside the building. If you have a picture of the tail section outside the building please provide the link or the picture.

-- Posted by oldvet on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 12:24 PM

re: Darth Jason: You just keep digging a deeper hole. Think I remember you saying you worked in Arch. design field, well you should know for certain that speed does not destroy aluminum. If not mistaken, a mountain is harder to move than the walls of the Pentagon and mountains don't totally destroy a/c. I agree with oldvet on this.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 12:51 PM

Admittedly I do not have the photo, but that does not mean it does not exist. I also remember that popular mechanics and many other private intstitutions have debunked all of the arguments that you keep throwing out as fact.

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 1:09 PM

canned heat if you read the post accurately you should have seen that I was refering to the fact that a lay person such as us would not recognize it from television not completely destroy aluminum.

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 1:12 PM


Speaking of facts, there is a terrific book, 'Debunking 911 debunking' by David Ray Griffin which addresses each of the Popular Mechanics points and demolishes them one by one. It is interesting that those of you who cannot accept 911 truth resort to name-calling rather than using facts.

If a 767 hit the Pentagon, there should have been parts of the plane visible. Jamie McIntyre of CNN who was on the scene originally remarked that it did not look like a plane crash because there was not any debris from the engines (which aren't made of aluminum by the way), tail section, seats, body parts, luggage, etc.

If you can find an un-doctored picture of a tail section at the Pentagon on 9/11, please send a link. I would like to see it.

-- Posted by Truther on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 2:41 PM

If a that plane did not hit the Pentagon, then where are all those people? What happened to that plane?

-- Posted by Rodney King on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 4:05 PM

Did I call you a name? No I called you conspiracy theorists. Which is what you are. The majority of the people in this country do not agree with anything that you guys and girls, I assume, come up with. So please don't say that I called you a name and hurt your feelings. I only called you what everyone in the country calls someone with outlandish theories like you guys.

-- Posted by DARTHJASON on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 4:12 PM

The Holy Grail of Anti-9/11 Truthers is the Popular Mechanics report that has itself been thouroughly debunked and also it smacks of nepotism as the man who wrote it is the cousin of the Department of Homeland Security, someone that, if our theory is correct, stands a lot to make sure the truth and blame is misplaced.

Bottom line, you will get absolutely nowhere standing on the Popular Mechanics 'investigation.'

Let's remember, there was never any intent to actually investigate what happened. Only after much wailing and gnashing of teeth (by the victims familes') was a commission formed to investigate. The physical evidece was all gone as it was VERY hastily shipped overseas as scrap instead of being turned over to a forensics team. All the while the investigation was going on, the White House resisted all attempts to be interviewed about that day. Bush,Cheney, Rice et.al all got out of being questioned, even though it was requested many many times (see Judicial Firings Scandal for similar evasions.) Even now, the FBI (publically!) has nothing to tie Al Qaida and bin Laden to the 9/11 attacks. My question then is this: If they are not even wanted or connected to this, then how much of a travesty is it that the 'true' attackers are not even being investigated or pursued?

I am not un-American. I love this country. I served in it's Armed Forces. The problem is that our country is not our country anymore. The entire (original) American way of life is predicated on making sure the government does not turn against it's people and oppress to serve the elite's interests. Can any of you honestly believe that this is not what is happening right now? We are supposed to have certain freedoms and liberties without question. Little by little (not just this administration) those are falling to the wayside. Our freedoms are being denied. The people's will is not being acted upon. How American is that?

How I wish this did not fall mostly unto deaf ears...

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 4:14 PM

Darth, the name calling statements weren't aimed at you. You actually engage with some semblence of actual debate. The name calling thing stands mostly for Greywolf and Stevemo. See Greywolfs comments of today. Thats what I call outlandish.

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 4:16 PM

Listen To Soldiers:

Being a veteran myself, I know several people who are are currently fighting in Iraq (who are able to communicate via internet) I think that you are correct that the Sailors, Soldiers, Marines and Airmen should absolutely have a their voices and opinions heard on the Iraq mess. However, I think that you and others may be surprised on what they have to say, because many of them believe this war is wrong. I think it is funny that so many people sit over here draped in the flag with their cars covered in "Support the Troop" magnets, but they are the first to call service members traitors when they speak out against this disaster in Iraq. Yes, I say "SUPPORT THE TROOPS: BRING THEM HOME!" And God Bless America!

-- Posted by allen6177 on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 4:17 PM

One last post for today:

The whole Pentagon thing. There are certainly big problems with the Pentagon story. The way in which the plane was supposed to have turned to crash. The lack of identifiable airplane parts. The conflicting eyewitness reports. Some think it was a missle, some a small drone type of plane, some of course what the official story says it to be. I don't totally subscribe to any one theory over another (the missle thing is attractive, but yes, where is that plane and it's passengers?)

The biggest problem is that there is many angles of this avaliable from security cameras and it's not unknown to the authorities that there is speculation. The easy way to clear all that up is to just release one good angle of the crash to the media. The one tiny clip of the crash leaked to the media, then 'officially released' to the media really only opens more questions than it answers. It in fact seems to point more towards the missle theory than away from it.

This whole debate is easily answerable with a stroke of a pen, but the government seems unwilling to do that little thing. Makes it smell worse just by their actions on it.

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 4:23 PM

Ok last post really this time

Agree 100% allen6177!

Our troops do indeed have plenty of 'downtime' in between duties and ways to communicate over the internet etc... It is sad that their voices are being overtly silenced by military orders. The gung-ho 'let's win this noble war!' are most certainly a minority. The rest just want to get out of the **** sand and come home!

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 4:25 PM


You just commented to Greywolf about "your president". I guess that means that you don't live in the USA. But, I thought you lived in Cape Girardeau, according to the directory???? Maybe your mind is in another country, or, for that matter, another planet.

-- Posted by pookiebear on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 5:18 PM

Smokers and the obese cost this country MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of dollars a year in health care. Some children under the age of 10 are weighing in at 200 pounds. People still smoke even though the tobacco industry has been exploited. We are a county filled with people with blinders on. WAKE UP! Don't follow the sheep. Stop smoking! Stop eating bacon double cheesebugers for breakfast! Get a life away from your TV.

-- Posted by GOSSIP! on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 5:26 PM

I would never dare speak for MJB, he does a good job for himself, however, think he means he doesn't consider Bush his President, but he is holding the office. Just like the people in Cape Girardeau talk about the people of the bootheel as if they don't belong to Missouri. To MJB, we have a lot of chickenhawks in Cape and they are cheerleaders as you say but they only take after their esteemed leader. Remember he was a cheerleader and a deserter.

-- Posted by oldvet on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 5:57 PM

Where is PapaClaus?

-- Posted by oldvet on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 5:58 PM

Mr Ballou,

Wow,,, did you mean to offend the gay community on that one????

-- Posted by notsureitssafeinhere on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 7:50 PM

You all have me wondering. I have video of the whole first day or 2 of coverage of 9/11. I'll check it out this weekend and see what I can see of the plane at the Pentagon.

-- Posted by calypso12 on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 8:26 PM

Mr. Philosopher King, allow me to save you some time this evening by re-posting your comment from yesterday, to wit:

This day has been virtually wasted with paranoid rants in full bloom and may indicate a correlation between oppressive heat and the number and intensity of paranoid pathology.

-- Posted by philosopher king on Wed, Aug 8, 2007, at 6:50 PM

-- Posted by nuit_de_trois_chiens on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 9:11 PM

Looks as if three dog night is in fact PK.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 9:26 PM

Mr Ballou,

Was kind of trying to be funny. I guess it didn't work. LOL

Oh and he is only my President because he holds the office of the Presidency. The next one will also be my President whether I like them or not. Doesn't mean I will support thier agenda. It's my right as an American to like or dislike whom ever is President without fear of being called a traitor or unpatriotic.

-- Posted by notsureitssafeinhere on Thu, Aug 9, 2007, at 9:59 PM

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