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Speak Out 7/26/07

Thursday, July 26, 2007

Class scheduling

THE DEFENSE of Tiger Time at Central High School is absurd. CHS did not have this until administrators made a mistake when the new school was built. They had to add a lunch shift, and that caused a scheduling problem. Tiger Time was added in for that reason. Now this last-minute fix is being sold as a must-have. We functioned well without Tiger Time for years. It is a waste of time and needs to be abolished. The additional class period is also ridiculous. The district needs to return to a 50-minute, seven-period day. It has proven to be the most successful schedule in regard to what really counts: student achievement.

SHE magazine rocks

HEY, SOUTHEAST Missourian, you rock. I just put down your SHE magazine after reading it from cover to cover. Where did you all get such good writers? That was fun. And all local. Thanks.

A big issue

WHEN CAPE Girardeau's mayor says the park board position on a tax increase is "no issue," several things come to mind. When asked about the matter by the media, the mayor's blood pressure spiked significantly. It is an issue.

No justice

THIS IS Southeast Missouri, and there is no justice. My ex-husband abused me on several occasions, and police reports were filed each time. I went to the police station to get copies of reports and was told they didn't exist. Only after a friend threatened to call her father, a prominent town figure, did the reports appear. Last September my daughter was abused by the same man. My daughter was slapped so hard she had a handprint two days later and was told it was poor judgment, not child abuse. In September he was charged with class C felony child abuse against my daughter. Even with all his prior history he was given a plea bargain by our Cape Girardeau County prosecutor and received probation. To top it off, while he was on bail for this crime he got a DWI (not his first) and more probation. Justice? There's no justice around here.

Parking fines

THE PROPOSED parking-fine increase would be OK as long as it does not target only college students. I used to live near Central Junior High School when it was the high school, and it was like pulling teeth to get a parking-enforcement officer to the neighborhood. I would go to class at Southeast Missouri State University to find a parking-enforcement officer waiting for late students to park illegally. Yet as a homeowner I could not get a high school student's car moved out of my driveway. If the enforcement is not targeted at specific members of the population then, by all means, Councilman Voss, raise the fines and generate more revenue for the city.


HOW CAN anyone say Cape Girardeau is the worst community in the U.S.? We have rock solid puritan values, realize we will get our reward in heaven and not on Earth, and have Rush on the wall of fame.

Short lunches

REGARDING THE proposed longer school day for Central High School: It seems to make sense and should help the students. Why are so many people hung up on the hour lunches? Neither of the hospitals provide hour lunches, and those are two of the biggest employers in the area. If the students can't leave the campus and the food is provided there, what is the problem? When I attended CHS, the lunch period was only 25 minutes. That was OK then, and it would be OK now. Focus on academics and what is really important.

Legal propaganda

A LAWYER and professor tried to slip political propaganda by us the other day in an op-ed published in the Southeast Missourian. It failed miserably. The gist of the article was an expression of disapproval of Missouri's non-partisan court plan for selecting judges at higher levels, including the Missouri Supreme Court. Their objection was that politics is still involved in the process. How stunning. Unfortunately, their cure was -- you guessed it -- the insertion of even more politics. The Southeast Missourian readership is far to clever to let this kind of stealth propaganda slip by undetected.

Electric rates

YOUR EDITORIAL conclusion that giving AmerenUE less than asked for in a rate increase will send them a message to clean up their act and improve their service is not the case at all. Ameren knew it would get less than what it asked for, so it asked for much more. It got about what was desired, and we remain hopelessly and helplessly in the pockets and Ameren and their political lackeys.

Voting students

Southeast Missouri State University students should all register as Cape Girardeau voters and use the democratic process to express their economic impact.

Something nice

WHY CAN'T a man send his wife flowers just because he loves her and wants to give her something nice? Give a guy a break. My husband treats me well. He doesn't send me flowers, but he doesn't have to. He grows them.

Consumer complaints

CONSUMERS WHO call the Better Business Bureau and ask if any complaints have been made against a company need to be aware that the Better Business Bureau lists many complaints as informational complaints, and these complaints are not reported to consumers who inquire about the company.

Year-around school

HAS THE school board ever investigated having school throughout the year and having four three-week minivacations instead of one long vacation?

Lucky wife

REGARDING THE husband who sent roses to his wife at work: This is one woman who would definitely get the baby sitter and arrange a romantic evening. No one should laugh about something like that. I was married 25 years and was never been treated like that throughout my marriage. The wife who got the roses should count her lucky stars that she has a man who cares enough to do that.

Taxing issues

WHY DRIVE businesses and workers out of Cape Girardeau and into surrounding communities by continuing to increase the cost of doing business here? Forcing small businesses to invest in expensive, permanent signs instead of allowing them to use inexpensive banners is one example. Raising the sales tax so high that it makes it worthwhile for customers to drive to neighboring communities for big-ticket items like building materials and appliances would be another bad move. Notice how people flock to the city's businesses during the sales-tax holiday. Why not encourage this swarm of customers year-around by lowering the sales tax so that it is the most competitive in that area? Driving high-wage earners and the businesses that hire them out of the city with an earnings tax would be the final nail in the coffin. The city council needs to study St. Louis and other cities where there is an income tax. High-wage earners and businesses are deserting the city in droves for the suburbs, and the city continues to decline. Per-capita income adjusted for inflation has declined dramatically since the implementation of this tax in St. Louis. The city council needs to understand that increased tax rates do not necessarily mean that tax revenue will increase. Making a friendly environment for business to grow and prosper is a tried and proven method of increasing revenue.

Taking shortcuts

I'VE NOTICED that heavy dump trucks come up and down our street day and night. They use it as a shortcut between Kingshighway and Lexington Avenue. By law, they are required to use those main arteries. They come up our narrow street and cut through neighborhoods, endangering the lives of children. When they have a full load of rock or dirt from a new subdivision, they come down our hill so fast past a private day-care center that if the parents are pulling out of the driveway in their car, they would be killed instantly. I wish the police would enforce this law. Otherwise, take it off the books.

Giving extra

TEACHERS ARE already paid well enough in Cape Girardeau, and doing extra work to help ensure that students won't drop out sounds like a good thing. One can only point to the neighboring community of Jackson where teachers are more than willing to stay after school at the middle school and support after-school activities and give of their time. Jackson has set a precedence for teachers who care and give extra, so why shouldn't Cape?

Memorial location

WHEN DRIVING through Cape Girardeau the other day, I came upon a spot that would be a beautiful spot for the proposed World War I memorial. Freedom Corner would be a beautiful spot, and you can see it from the hospital.

No more taxes

I'M CALLING concerning tax increases. Please, no more tax increases for Cape Girardeau. My county property-tax reassessment has shot up 58 percent. The prices at the swimming pool and Osage Community Centre have gone up. Even the basic price of staples like milk have soared. Medical costs are eating me up. This mayor and city council have no compassion for the citizens. They are milking us for all we have. It doesn't do any good to attend council meetings to complain or explain your situation. They will tell they will look into your problem, and the next day you read where they went ahead and did what they were going to do in the first place. The only way to stop these people is to go the polls and vote.

Iraq's borders

I KEEP hearing about Iraq, but I've never heard about the U.S. or Iraq trying to secure the Iraq's borders. They say that's where all the weapons and explosive materials are coming from. So why hasn't that been a priority? Either we aren't informed of it or we are letting ourselves down greatly by not focusing on border security.

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I too had 25 minutes for lunch. During that time students had to walk a distance, put books back in locker, get in line for lunch, then try to eat.

Being forced to eat food in a short period of time can cause many health issues including but not limited to acid reflux, esophogial issues, indigestion, abdominal distention, and many other things.

If a student was given 25 minutes to eat and not 25 minutes to do 5 other tasks, then that would be fair. That is why there is a need for longer lunch periods.

-- Posted by Mosely on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 12:18 AM

As a teacher, I have come to the conclusion that many of us stay after school and work with extra curricular activities because those teachers who came before us did. I am fortunate to work in a district where we are compensated for the extra time that we work. On those rare occassions that we are not paid, we are certainly left with the impression that our extra effort is appreciated by the students, the parents, the administration, and the board of education. Such an appreciative atmosphere makes it much easier to give of your time irregardless of whether extra pay is involved.

That being said, I take issue with the comment that Cape Girardeau teachers are paid enough and should be expected to work extra hours and not be compensated for it. Let me ask the caller this question---Would YOU stay after work at your job for 2-3 hours extra 2-3 times a week and not be paid for it?

Teaching is one of the most maligned professions that we have in this country. I wish I had a nickel for every time I hear people say that teachers get a three month vacation during the summer. If I had all of those nickels, I would never have to teach again. What people fail to realize is that most teachers put in 15-20 extra hours a week doing lesson plans, grading papers, and phoning parents. If my math is correct, that is a minimum of 540-720 extra hours per school year for which teachers are not paid. Not to mention that most teachers take classes and attend professional development courses during the summer.

Now before some of you get your noses out of joint and come back with ---You chose to be a teacher! Let me ask you this, if not me (and people like me)---then who? School districts all over Missouri are finding it more and more difficult to find qualified teachers to fill their vacancies. Parents had best start appreciating and supporting the people who teach their children; otherwise, our country may well be forced to go back to the way it was in our country's early history when parents taught their children at home.

-- Posted by JaysFan_20 on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 5:12 AM

So "Rock solid Puritan values" and Rush are positive things? Why not take your "values" and Rush to Salem, where witch hunts were the thing?

-- Posted by iago on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 5:15 AM

"irregardless" is not a proper word!

-- Posted by RocketSurgeon on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 7:25 AM

"irregardless" and "occassions"? Not a teacher of English obviously. (At least, I hope not.)

-- Posted by iago on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 7:33 AM

Well said JaysFan. Most (if not all) Cape Girardeau teachers go above and beyond for every student in their classroom. There is a not a day that ends that I don't see teachers leave the school building late with loads of work in their bags to work on at night. Most of those teachers even show up hours before they are required to in the morning. I have to say teaching (especially in Missouri) is one of the lowest paid four-year-degree professions out there. Missouri needs to take a look at the states around it (Kansas, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Arkansas) that pay at least $5,000 to $8,000 above them. I am sure the newly graduated teachers from Missouri colleges are.

-- Posted by cabat on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 7:46 AM

Rush belongs on the Wall of Shame---his insulting and devisive comments are a disservice to Cape and to this country.

-- Posted by Charlie Parker on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 7:59 AM

Come on - this is a comment section, not a term paper. And though not a proper word, "irregardless" has common usage throughout the country. Focus on the message and quit picking apart the delivery.

-- Posted by justforfun on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 8:06 AM

Teaching is a hard job and our teachers should be better compensated. The things they have to deal with are far different these days than even when I was in high school 20 yrs ago. We need to appreciate all they do and support them. They need to know that we as parents are behind them; not bashing them. And, the one commenter has a good point about working extra hours without pay. THANK YOU TEACHERS!!

-- Posted by inallthingsgivethanks on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 8:23 AM

Ok MJB (In less then 3 paragraphs)please tell us your plan concerning the Southern

border of the U.S.Surely you must have the answer.


So what if folks use negatives like "irregardless"..I can think of several

words that indeed are words that boggle

my mind(which has been altered somewhat by

the late 60's).These would include:






just to mention a few..

Lets don't critique each other here.

You are correct though.

Irregardless is not a

word but it is excepted in most cases.

as FOR MISSPELLED words ..no worries there

here either!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 8:39 AM


You once had time to do all that . . .play practical jokes on other teachers, wander around the quad, write spurious memos.

Times change.

-- Posted by one4kids on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 9:56 AM

Re: Parking Fines

Next time someone parks in your driveway without your permission, just throw a chain around the frame and lock the car to a tree....then charge the kid $50 for you to remove the chain.

-- Posted by dixietrucker on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 10:03 AM

Teaching in Kansas not only pays better, you only have to use one book.

-- Posted by oldvet on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 10:17 AM

Mosely, I concur heartily on the lunch topic. Of course, the shorter lunch hours will significantly increase the USA's gold medal chances when competative eating becomes an Olympic event.

In a larger school, there is already a rush on the students to get from point A, get their stuff and then get to point B and not be late. Adding to that rush only increases stress and stress is very counterproductive to actual learning. So giving them a bit of time to eat at a reasonable pace and catch a breath before rushing around again seems to me a good idea.

Switching gears, I see folks chastising MJB for spelling, grammer errors etc. I still have not seen anyone actually try to debate him on the facts. Of course this is the accepted tactic of anyone that refuses to look at anything related to 9/11.

And thank you JaysFan. Teaching is indeed an underappreciated profession. My children have had (thus far) mostly very good teachers here in Cape. Some not so hot, but overall there are more good apples than bad that I have seen. Please rest assured that there are some parents out here that do appreciate you folks. The good ones anyway.

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 10:18 AM

There MJB goes again!

You have to agree that he is right when

it comes to proficent teachers.After speaking with many High School kids recently,

I have reached the conclusion that there is

indeed something wrong with the system!I asked one of them last week this simple Geography question,"which two States border

Washington D.C."?He had no idea as do most kids these days.Oh,please don't ask them to use a piece of paper and a pencil to do long division!They will tell you they need a calculator or "whats long division"Yep

MJB is absolutely correct!If they ever figure out how to transplant the human brain into another human I hope I get a High Schoolers,cause it won't be too used and almost like new!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 10:31 AM

When I was speaking of good teachers that I have encountered thus far in Cape, I was not speaking about any math teachers. Teaching of math has indeed been declining over many many years (I never had a good math teacher and thusly I am not very good at math) and it is only getting worse. Of course there is the distinction of right brained/left brained etc... but math is indeed our weakest link in our educational chain.

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 10:40 AM

Oh and the answer to Greywolf's geography question is Oregon and Seattle.

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 10:41 AM

jumpingjehova please tell me when Seattle became a state. I must have missed that one.

-- Posted by rodeo-mom on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 12:18 PM

Oh geez, asdfgtrewqw. Not this s!#t again.

Get out your tin foil hats, Cape GirarDOH!ians.

-- Posted by dmm86 on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 12:23 PM

Hey, No Justice...

Have the guy that has hit you and your daughter meet me sometime. I would love to have a little man to wimp talk with him.

-- Posted by Hawker on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 12:26 PM

asdfgtrewqw by any other name is still Michael Ballou.

-- Posted by philosopher king on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 1:05 PM

Who is Steve? I see no posting by this person. To whom is one4kids responding?

-- Posted by philosopher king on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 1:07 PM

I think Mr. Ballout at times stretches credibility beyond all bounds, even for the paranoids among us. I mean, I just can't see Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Frances Fukuyama, Donald Rumsfeld, or other leading godfathers of neoconservatism recruiting those loyal to their ideology to pilot the 9/11 planes.

-- Posted by philosopher king on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 1:11 PM

we've all seen the videos and info on the WTC conspiracies...give it a rest. no need to post the stuff over and over and over again. we've all seen it, we all already know all about it.

-- Posted by Rodney King on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 1:38 PM

philosopher king:

They didn't, they used the religious fundamentalism of our Saudi "friends" to exact a mission of terror on their own citizens.

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

"Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star"

May 7, 1918

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 1:44 PM

They can pull off the biggest stunts in history in front of millions of people worldwide. Point the fingers at their targets, and the public will never say, "No, our own people couldn't possibly have done this to make this all happen, surely, because I couldn't do that. I'd blush. I'd blink. I'd give it away somehow." However, these guys don't do that. They come out and tell massive whoppers of lies, and that very act makes it more unbelievable to the public--that they could possibly be lying, because the public couldn't do that. Very, very simple, and that's why Goebbels, who was a propagandist for Adolph Hitler, being a good little psychopath himself, and how he loved to boast, eventually even stated himself that "if you're going to tell a lie to the public, make sure it's a really big lie because they'll never figure it out." They can't imagine anyone telling such a big, big lie. The Joe Average can understand little lies that they use in their own personal lives. Little white lies, but they can't imagine anything can be pulled off on that kind of scale. There's a type of level you can reach and no more.

-- Posted by Al Swearengen on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 2:13 PM

Well, it is true that paranoids are correct some of the time in the sense that someone really is out to get them.

-- Posted by philosopher king on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 2:30 PM

This is to JaysFan_20: Perhaps it would not be a bad idea if more parents start to home school their children. The public schools want nothing but more of your property tax money. Our low test scores prove our children are not learning enough to stay competitive with the rest of the world. Is it the fault of teachers, adminstrators, or parents? I believe the fault lies with all parties. Until our educational priorities move beyond extra-curicular success in sport and arts, then we better get ready and use to the idea that our nation is heading down the path as a third world nation.

-- Posted by nolongerlivingthere on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 2:42 PM

This dumbing down is by design read:

The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America by Charlotte Thompson Iserbyt

Iserbyt served as Senior Policy Advisor in the Office of Educational Research and Improvement (OERI), U.S. Department of Education, during the first Reagan Administration.

-- Posted by Al Swearengen on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 3:02 PM

Yes, I think administrators and teachers are told and then sworn to secrecy to keep turning out dumb students so as to provide a never ending supply of cheap labor for small and big business as well as large corporations. A crackdown on illegal immigration may really put employers in a bind so I anticpate escalating and unrelenting pressure to turn out even dumber students. A corporate movie spin-off may be, Dumb and Dumber, Part Two.

-- Posted by philosopher king on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 3:16 PM

Dumb and Dumberer 2: Electric Boogaloo

It is in the best interest of government to keep its citizens scared and stupid.

"You need this job, why would you ever act up? You can't afford to get fired, you have student loans to pay, and who's going to provide health care for your kids!"

It's a slippery slope to apathy and complacency.

-- Posted by Tarantulas on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 3:28 PM

This world is full of idiots!Those of you who choose to believe that the the 9/11 attacks were orchestrated by this administration are indeed ridiculous and foolish.I have read many of these theories and none hold water.As for Jet fuel not burning hot enough to melt metal,thats a foolish statement too.Are you forgeting that

there were many other contents in those buildings that indeed if set a fire could reach 1000 degrees which is near the temperature that steel will melt.You fools don't have a clue other then the crap you choose to read.None of you were in New York that day and none of you lost a Family member in one of those planes or Buildings.

I am sick of your nonsense and anyone else that would suggest that Bush and Cheney made this happen.If you hate Bush and Cheney and the Government so much I suggest you get on the first Jet out of the Country and pray that some Muslim Terrorist who hates your Zionist *** doesn't decide to blow you out of this world.Believe me they are out there.

Of course you probably don't believe there are any terrorist that would do such a thing.

Oh one other little thing,My cell phone worked very well at near 30,000 feet last year when I called my wife from somewhere above colorado.Enough of this crap!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 4:05 PM

Math is the weakest link in education because of our states regulations that force school districts to use roughly the same salary schedules for all teachers. So that the math & science teachers have to make just as much as all the other teachers. And of course no relatively new teacher can make as much money as an experience instructor regardless of their subject or how effective they are at teaching it.

For those that talk about teacher pay consider what other career the median teacher could have chosen. You'd have an assortment of social workers, librarians, general office workers, etc... most of the occupations pay somewhere in the neighborhood as teaching. Now consider a person who happens to be highly skilled in math or science. They have the potential to become engineers, research scientists, financial analysts & software developers. Those are much higher paying jobs and very few people are going to pass those choices by in order to become a teacher.

Pay engineering level salaries for math & science instructors and you'll start to see our countries test scores start to rise. Teaching middle school algebra needs to be far more rewarding than teaching PE, social studies or art to attract the right talent.

-- Posted by Nil on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 4:33 PM

Why don't you email the people over at 911Truth.org (they are the victims families) and tell them they are idiots.

-- Posted by Al Swearengen on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 4:37 PM

I would be happy to Stan Because they are misguided as are you!Its so easy to reach out and look for blame when the answers are right in front of you.Yes you are misguided and possibly an idiot as well.I say again Stan,leave the country if you are so insistent upon believing

this crap.You obviously hate it and don't trust it.Why would you want to live in a country where you believe your government might kill you to justify a confrontation with another

country?Yep the word fool here is used correctly..so sorry!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 5:26 PM


HOW CAN anyone say Cape Girardeau is the worst community in the U.S.? We have rock solid puritan values, realize we will get our reward in heaven and not on Earth, and have Rush on the wall of fame. )

What??? Sure it isn't the worst by any means..But Puritan values??? I think not so much...didn't rush just get busted for being a drug addict? anyway we are just like the rest of the country we have issues and problems that we sweep under the rug and hide behind our"values" which is a good laugh...and a church and a bank on every corner ...why do we have so many churches and banks anyway???

-- Posted by just_my_thoughts on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 6:04 PM

GREYWOLF seems on the verge of a breakdown. Please refrain from posting manifestations of paranoid political rants for a few days. Thank you.

-- Posted by philosopher king on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 7:04 PM

To be fair to the published Speak Out commentator who was criticized, Cape does generally have Puritan values. However, the commentator's admittedly overgeneralized observation did not claim that Cape residents act on their Puritan values.

-- Posted by philosopher king on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 9:01 PM

The puritan value commentator was obviously trolling and found many willing to jump right on it. Slow day for ideas I guess. And once again, like the pimple that just won't go away, mjb is here to earn his crown as top attention ***** of the site. Mean spirited blog vandal or misguided conspiracy whacko? Doesn't matter. To repeat the 9-11 crap day after day is akin to screaming fire in a theater. How about a temporary ban on this crap until he can be more responsible with his comments?

-- Posted by stevmo on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 10:24 PM

I've been lurking here for a couple of months now--ever since I read that people were responding to speakouts online--and Green Aggie Guy has just stepped over the line. Green Aggie Guy, get the **** out! MJB, for the most part, speaks the TRUTH! Kinda hard to believe that our gov't screws us? It happens so much that you won't believe it. Doesn't our gov't import something like 80% of the cocaine consumed? Don't forget about mary jane and her her battle to become decriminalized. 9/11 was, super unfortunately, our own fault; we paid for it. Just to let you folks on a little tidbit: no extra explosives are needed to take down any large building with a plane--there is plenty of energy in the crash, especially if they are traveling around Mach 1 with a full load of fuel.

-- Posted by lurker on Fri, Jul 27, 2007, at 12:49 AM


The Twin Towers both fell in around 10 seconds each. Go watch ANY video of them and time it yourself. For the official pancaking theory to hold water, one must suspend the law of gravity and inertia. I guess Allah gave the Muslims the power to defy physics? There is absolutely NO WAY that the towers could have fallen at the speed and way they did without the use of controlled demolition charges. I know people have problems with math, but it still exists, no matter how you wish it away.

Who had the capability to pull that off?

The 9/11 commision doesn't even touch WTC7. It's inexplicable. Well, there is one explanation, but no one wants to hear that one.

Governments, throughout history, have killed their citizens without hesitation to further their goals. We are no different.

And it's more than a Bush/Cheney thing. You can change the manager at a McDonalds, but you're still going to get the same food every time. The two party system is a lie, they are all the same team.

To spout off 'Get your tin foil hats' and 'You are crazy' you need to have something more to back you up. Healthy debate is a good thing. Problem is, with this argument, the facts point to one origin. No matter how hard you try, you cannot wish them away.

-- Posted by jumpinjehova on Fri, Jul 27, 2007, at 8:41 AM

Michael J Ballou, if your name IS Steve, then I think you were once a teacher, then an administrator, and now you work part-time in education. 'Fess up!

-- Posted by SEMOfan80 on Fri, Jul 27, 2007, at 8:13 PM

"Irregardless is not a

word but it is excepted in most cases.

as FOR MISSPELLED words ..no worries there

here either!"

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Jul 26, 2007, at 8:39 AM

Wolf- That would be "accepted". Don't knock others' spelling or useage if you can't observe the so-called rules yourself. Irregardless is wrong, but who cares unless you're a teacher? Just don't start using "ax" (me no questions) cause that's just plain ign'ant or just a put-on!

Semofan- Ballou posts under his own name---he really is Michael J. Ballou, as can be confirmed in a business article posted here several months ago about the old Lorberg TV repair shop in Cape. So he can't be Steve.

-- Posted by Charlie Parker on Fri, Jul 27, 2007, at 10:58 PM

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