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Speak Out 7/10/07

Tuesday, July 10, 2007

Teacher's response

THE PERSON who said successful teaching consisted of sharing what you learned the night before is either a horrible teacher or a parent whose child didn't get the grade the parent thought he should have received. As a teacher, I could attest to the number of hours I spent earning both an undergraduate and graduate degree in my field, the number of hours I spend learning new information in my field and the number of hours I spend each summer updating my lessons, but it would be wasted on someone who already thinks he knows everything about something he's never done. I'm sure your kids have picked up on your disrespectful attitude and are an absolute joy to have in class. Way to go.

Those pardons

ALL THE libs are upset about the president commuting the sentence of Scooter Libby. Where was their indignation when President Clinton was pardoning terrorists, drug dealers and political cronies? Amazingly, he even traded pardons for contributions to his presidential library. How about using a little common sense when viewing the Libby decision?

Future floodwall

A DECADE or more ago the idea of a downtown golf course and tournament was a mere pipe dream. For a long time, Southeast Missourian editor Joe Sullivan was its lone advocate. Then others got on board, and today it's a wonderful reality. In my opinion, Joe Sullivan made it happen. That's why I consider Sullivan such a key player in whether or not Cape Girardeau moves forward on the idea of a renaissance-resulting transparent floodwall or remains stuck with a concrete monstrosity that in part killed downtown Cape in an effort to save it. Joe, what say ye?

Venue competition

WHEN THE Show Me Center director says he will not be competing with the River Campus for venue, that means the competition will be serious, fierce and, perhaps, violent.

Better locations

THE COMMON Pleas Courthouse Park is not the right place for massive war memorials. There are many other, better locations. For example, Freedom Corner at Capaha Park.

Return engagement

I AM looking forward to the days of Clintons back in the White House.

Seeking equality

WE STRIVE for a equality under the law. We'll never be perfect, but we've come a long way. Low-key elitists who remain outside the public eye and well-connected politicians are virtually the only remaining groups above the law.


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Re: Return Engagement

Don't hold your breath.

-- Posted by dixietrucker on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 3:34 AM

Re: Return Engagement

Everyone faces disappointments in their life. I'd rather you face yours now: AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!

-- Posted by KingsKid on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 6:23 AM

Re: Return Engagement

Elizabeth, where did you buy your crystal ball that predicts with such absolute certainty?

-- Posted by iago on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 6:38 AM

Please do not count your chickens before they hatch! the former first lady must deal with her opposition first, then again she still must watch OLE BILL himself if you know what I mean!

-- Posted by Wilsonite on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 7:06 AM

Re: Floodwall

Bad Idea. It will cost to much to build and then what about 50k to 70k per year to keep it clean enough to see through. I vote no.

Re: Return Engagement.

I vote no.

-- Posted by poppa on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 7:19 AM

Re: Return Engagement

I think there is a strong chance that a Clinton could be back in the White House. I believe (from talking with friends and current news programs) that everyone is so frustrated with the current administration that they will vote for his polar opposite (Hilary). I even have suspicions that she will be good at it.

-- Posted by cabat on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 7:32 AM

Those pardons: I have never liked pardons, but again I write; Libby was "convicted" of obstruction of justice and perjury. Please read that. As far as the Clinton pardons, I was as upset then as I am now. If anyone feels that lying to a jury or grand jury is fine let him step forward. Again I write. Our justice system depends on witnesses telling the truth, if not investigations can not go forward and the guilty will never be punished. Perjury must carry a harsh penalty or everyone would lie. There used to be a charge of accessory after the fact. Don't forget Bush 41 and his pardons. They all do it, but it doesn't make it right. And again please isn't it like grade school when we continue to say "but he did it to". What do you tell your child when he/she says something that dumb?

-- Posted by cannedheat on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 8:04 AM

Libby was convicted of not remebering the details of a non-crime, as I recall. Not my words. Just remember where you read the reports and who wrote them. Its really hard to read or watch any reports that the author/reporter hasnt injected their own feelings or ideas into.

-- Posted by poppa on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 8:46 AM

I would not let a Clinton walk my dog much less stand in charge of the Military and the executive branch.Are you absolutely nuts?We did not need another Bush and we sure don't need another Clinton!Isn't it time for a new

direction instead of same-oh same-oh?

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 8:46 AM

Greywolf, it's same old, same old.

-- Posted by Hawker on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 9:23 AM

Papa you know better. Perjury is perjury. There doesn't need to be an underlying crime. If there was no crime, why did he lie? Twelve people didn't believe that he just didn't remember, they believed that he lied. If you don't like jury verdicts than open the doors to prisons, they are full of jury verdicts.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 9:30 AM

Again Hawker corrects someone. We speak conversational English here and I understood exactly what Greywolf said.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 9:33 AM

What is this " A Clinton back in the White House" stuff. If you get one, you get BOTH. Bill and Hillary are a package deal. I'm not sure the White House would survive. Remember all the damage they did when they left last time?

-- Posted by calypso12 on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 9:35 AM

Yomama, please stop with the talking points. Even Fox News now admits that was put out by right wing conservatives to create a bigger rift within the public. I am not in favor of neither a Bush nor a Clinton in the White House but lets stick to what is true.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 9:39 AM

Has been nice this morning but have to run got students to teach. LOL Not really, just jerking your chain.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 9:45 AM

canned heat: I didnt say that I disagree with you. I was just pointing out that there are so many sides to this story and it was so long after the fact that we will never know the real truth. I think Libby was willing to be the fall guy for Bush.

-- Posted by poppa on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 9:46 AM

I would agree with all that think we need new blood in the white house, Although I think that the winner has already been picked. Its no secret that the American voter is gettin more and more suspicous about how their votes are counted Go to your favorite search engine and type in Three Kings. I await your responce.

-- Posted by poppa on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 10:05 AM

If everything is so great,honest, fair (remember this is the group that was going to bring ethics back to the White House), why in the world would Bush need a fall guy?

Don't worry about Scooter, he will makes tons on the book and his time with the WH group was about over anyway. Counting down...

-- Posted by justforfun on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 10:06 AM

cannedheat & Pappa

I fully agree that if someone is convicted of perjury they should pay their penalty. However, that does not change the underlying fact that the President - regardless of who he is - has a Constitutional right to pardon ANYONE he wishes for ANY REASON and he owes no one any explanations for doing so. Mr Libbey was not PARDONED - he had the prison portion of his sentence COMMUTED - also a Constitutional prerogative of the President. I believe the President did this primarily because the judge in the case refused to allow Mr Libbey to remain out on bail during his appeal process, in and of itself a bit unusual.

-- Posted by Little_Mac on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 10:46 AM

doc05:

A perfect answer.

-- Posted by poppa on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 10:53 AM

Sorry Hawker,

I meant exactly what I wrote.

I am well aware of the phrase you mention.

When I wrote "same-oh same-oh" it meant

same oh s--t..hope this sums things up.

And I would also like Papa clause to know that his response yesterday to my tirade

concerning my service in Vietnam was shameful.I have yet to read a worse response from anyone out here.I promise I will not bring up my service to my Country again Papa.

Go ahead and continue to be the most disrespectful person out here Papa.Oh,by the way,I have never been called a snake before.

Please don't respond cause I doubt anyone wants to here from the likes of you anyway!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 11:15 AM

Re: Greywolf

Just a small note to let you know That I enjoy reading most all of your messages. I also have great respect for you and the service that you did for your country. I also did my 3 years, but thats for another day. I wont apologize for anything that I posted yesterday because at the time I meant every word. However today is a new day and a fresh start. I hope that you continue to entertain us with your colorful thoughts and messages for a long time to come. Salute!!

-- Posted by poppa on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 11:32 AM

Greywolf

If that is not respectful enough for you feel free to type my responce yourself.

I'm sure you wont mind tooting your horn again.

-- Posted by poppa on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 11:38 AM

Sorry about my spelling greywolf my fingers got ahead of me. And since you have appointed yourself Grand Master of Speak Out I need to be quick to say sorry.

-- Posted by poppa on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 11:43 AM

Greywolf:

Just thought I would let the cat out of the bag. I have been posting here under three names for a long,long time. Who Am I. Your guess is as good as any.

-- Posted by poppa on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 11:49 AM

I don't know Papa,that response almost sounds as if your a little bit sorry for at least a few things you said yesterday.Ok,new day new topics and no disrespectful name calling.Lets march on.

Yes!salute back at ya

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 11:51 AM

I have known all along My strange work buddy!

Lets continue the tirades and the stories son.But you must be nice,or at the least civil!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 11:55 AM

10-4

Civil it is.

-- Posted by poppa on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 12:11 PM

I cant believe there are no comments about my posting mentioning Three Kings!! Where is Ballou when you need him?

Ok, second hint: Caroline Atkinson.

-- Posted by poppa on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 1:45 PM

Ok greywolf you should know this one as well.I have an appointment this afternoon so I will be back about 4:30 with the third and final hint.

-- Posted by poppa on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 1:49 PM

Many of you get up way too early, apparently for the lowly purpose of starting still another day blogging Speak Out comments. You would be well served to remember the maxim: Early to rise and early to bed makes a man happy, wealthy and dead.

-- Posted by philosopher king on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 2:07 PM

If he has been removed, I urge you to e-mail the webmaster and plead for the reinstatement of Michael Ballou!

-- Posted by philosopher king on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 2:47 PM

Doco5, think you should look at the number of people held without bond across the country for perjury. Most are. However I do agree the President has that right. Look at what I wrote, I understand it, don't have to like it. I also agree the President commuted his prison term and didn't pardon Mr. Libby for a couple of reasons. One if he pardoned Mr. Libby, he would remove the fifth Amendment option. Second he knows Mr. Libby will be called before the Senate Judiciary Committee and would need the fifth. Bush didn't not want Libby in prison, because the day he went in he would turn canary.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 3:36 PM

Papa Claus, you are right Libby is the fall guy. Wonder why they need one. And I do appreciate the civil tone this has taken, a good debate is still the best disinfectant known.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 3:43 PM

Papa Claus, suppose you meant the movie three kings. Was a pretty good movie and make you think about any government and how humans will torture, kill, maim and slaughter their fellow beings just to satisfy their greed. If not am sorry.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 3:51 PM

cannedheat:

Ok I'll explain this one time, In my opinion Ballou had kind of taken over the Speak out section of the opinion page,And being the show off that I am I could hardly let him get away with it. So I made the decision yesterday to stir the pot just a little more than I had been. It got a little heated when greywolf got involved but I decided to see it through till the end of the day. I have not looked to count how many of you had a response over my actions but I think you will agree that I got more attention than Mike Ballou got for sure. BTW Mike is a freind of mine and I believe he knew what was going on because had he wanted to he could have really slammed me. So you see I believe that we can all play well together until it gets boreing or too much PC crap gets injected, then I may have to raise the bar again. Thanks to all that played along, and remember its ok to show passion and emotion.

cannedheat : Nice guess but no cigar.

Last hint= Forign Policy Mag.

Where is Ballou??

-- Posted by poppa on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 4:31 PM

Papa Claus: Have watch you and Mike trade barbs for a while here and know you guys really are friends and just disagree. I'm sorry if it sounded otherwise. I just try to stay with the facts as I have researched them and try not to name call or get to hot about any of this. I do believe in debate, and really do believe we will not necessarily agree but learn to see the others perspective. Yea where is Ballou?

-- Posted by cannedheat on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 5:42 PM

Good job Papa Claus. Duh!!! Read that article. This is something that has been discussed for many years. I remember a discussion back in the early eighties about "The Fed", "ECU" and "Bank of Japan" and about how only like 5 families control most of the money in the world and it is like a chess game to control wars, depressions, and monetary upheaval around the world. Thanks for causing me a headache trying to rewind this old tape deck.

-- Posted by cannedheat on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 6:23 PM

It looks like cannedheat may have got my clues. My next question is do you or dont you believe that world economics will determin who our next President will be??

Most people dont, myself I give a good size maybe.

-- Posted by poppa on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 7:24 PM

So, is Michael Ballou the supposed self-proclaimed king of the print edition of the Southeast Missourian's Speak Out section?

-- Posted by philosopher king on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 7:53 PM

MJB

If you r there. I just got a e-mail from the Missouri Chapter of OOIDA informing me that

Ms. Joanne Emerson Of the 8th has signed a bill sponsored by Duncan Hunter, Gary Miller and Nancy Boyda to stop the Mexican Truck Pilot program. Man my chin hit the desk.If any of my fellow blogers contacted Ms Emerson about this issue believe me The ATA and OOIDA are thankful.

-- Posted by poppa on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 9:10 PM

Ballou is back! Whew!!!!

-- Posted by philosopher king on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 10:30 PM

Canned heat,

Truth, you get two Clintons for the price of one!

You missed the point. Why would we want either one back in the white house, mess or hyped up mess?

-- Posted by calypso12 on Tue, Jul 10, 2007, at 11:13 PM

This is getting ridiculous! Could you all please go start a blog in the BLOGS section? That is EXACTLY what the BLOGS section is for--to, you know, blog about whatever. Politics is a waste of time and money and I have no idea why you all are debating here. THIS IS THE BLOG FOR SPEAK OUT 7/10/07. I tried voting, it doesn't work--government is government and you're not going to do anything; please just give up and do something worthwhile with your time.

-- Posted by ynot on Wed, Jul 11, 2007, at 12:17 AM

Sicko is not based on facts. It is fiction.

-- Posted by Make no mistake about it on Wed, Jul 11, 2007, at 8:58 AM

"Exposing the truth about 911 is the most important thing we can do in the world right now." ...David Ray Griffin

WTC 7, a steel framed highrise (47 storeys) fell without being hit by any plane and it was done by controlled demolition. Look at the video of this event at www.wtc7.net!

Norad failed to intercept any of the planes that day - when they train to shave seconds off their usual 10 minute intercept times for that very purpose. Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta has given testimony (to the 911 omission commission nonetheless!) verifying the stand down order coming directly from the VP that day.

There is ample evidence that WTC1 and WTC2 were brought down by controlled demolition. See the research done by physicist Dr. Steven Jones on this subject.

9/11 needs to be re-scrutinized in an unbiased (not by Bush cronies) investigation now - before it happens again!

-- Posted by Truther on Wed, Jul 11, 2007, at 9:45 AM

These speakout comments make me feel like today is yesterday.

-- Posted by Rodney King on Wed, Jul 11, 2007, at 10:55 AM

RE:TRUTHER

Yep,and I had a nice discussion yesterday with Elvis on my deck in the backyard of my home.We ejoyed mint julips and a cigar.He thought your conspiracy theory was full of bologna.

Later that evening Rosie showed up and

confirmed again your theory.I am so confused now I just don't know what to think.Well!,maybe I do..me thinks your absolutely certifiably NUTS!

-- Posted by GREYWOLF on Wed, Jul 11, 2007, at 11:06 AM

Relationships between papaclause, Michael Ballou and other contributors to this forum are likely considered little more than clutter by readers, assuming there are any.

-- Posted by philosopher king on Wed, Jul 11, 2007, at 2:44 PM

Whoever wins the White House next election will certainly be an improvement over who is there now. Believe me, it cannot get worse.

-- Posted by iago on Wed, Jul 11, 2007, at 7:45 PM

I need answers: If we were to have a National Health Care Program, Tell me how. Don't you think the doctors would have something to say about that? How about the insurance companies? Do you think that they are going to let go of their profits? You know I'm all for every one that is a natural born citizen having access to good cheap health care, but when you start saying that its gonna be free and that everyone (even illegals) will have access. Man now your talking about huge tax increases. I think its best to let the private sector figure this one out not Hillary. Maybe we could all get the same benefits that all of the elected officials have. Health care and retirement.

-- Posted by poppa on Wed, Jul 11, 2007, at 10:08 PM

This is becoming ridiculous! Could you all please go start a blog in the BLOGS section? That is EXACTLY what the BLOGS section is for--to, you know, blog about whatever. Politics is a waste of time and money and I have no idea why you all are debating here. THIS IS THE BLOG FOR SPEAK OUT 7/10/07. I tried voting, it doesn't work--government is government and you're not going to do anything; please just give up and do something worthwhile with your time.

-- Posted by ynot on Thu, Jul 12, 2007, at 12:21 AM

uh oh you all did it now. there hasn't been any new speakouts posted for TWO days now.

-- Posted by Rodney King on Thu, Jul 12, 2007, at 8:16 AM


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