I just heard Obama say something to the effect that the most important job of a president is to present a budget. How come he hasn't had one for 6 years?
Well now he tells us we need to give him all the money he wants so he can increase spending and it will be paid for by closing those loopholes common keeps telling us about.
Tax and spend.
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 11:20 AM
OJ - you forget rule #1...
"If you own a business, you didn't build that!". You owe your life to the government and all the welfare people that helped you build that business.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 11:25 AM
Tax and spend.
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 11:20 AM
Old John,
You just painted a picture in words, of a Democrat.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 11:26 AM
Old John, you must be a miserable feller. Always complaining. The economy is on the mend, the sun is shinin' and life is good.
Hey, at least you are alive!
-- Posted by Reasoning on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 11:49 AM
Reasoning,
Do you believe a person should leave his money to the government when he dies, rather than to his children?
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 11:54 AM
Reasoning, I'm a thankful fellow for being better than I deserve despite liberals that think the way to help poor is to add to their numbers.
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 12:06 PM
Why not help your kids now, instead of waiting til you die??
-- Posted by Reasoning on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 12:15 PM
Why not help your kids now, instead of waiting til you die??
-- Posted by Reasoning on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 12:15 PM
There's your answer Wheels, that would be a yes...I will never, ever understand that type of thinking.
-- Posted by BonScott on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 12:22 PM
Why not help your kids now, instead of waiting til you die??
-- Posted by Reasoning on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 12:15 PM
I do! But being a responsible person I hold a reserve to take care of my wife and myself should we live a long life and not be a burden on my children or society. Additionally there is a limit that one can gift to any person without the government taxing it.... are you aware of that?
But as is normal, you do not answer the question asked. I will rephrase it for you.
Who should have the first claim on my remaining assets when I die, my children or the government?
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 12:23 PM
Yes, there is a limit, but it is yearly. Several years ago, it was 12,000 a year per family member. So you could give to son, then the same amount to daughter in law etc.
You should prepay your funeral expenses of course, so that $ is already spent and in the manner you wish it to be.
Your money then should go into probate. I am sure you know all of this, so what is bothering you? Are you concerned about an estate tax? Have you discussed this with your financial planner?
-- Posted by Reasoning on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 12:46 PM
You are familiar with non-probate assets?
-- Posted by Reasoning on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 12:47 PM
You are familiar with non-probate assets?
-- Posted by Reasoning on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 12:47 PM
You familiar with a trust? Even with non-probate assets and trusts the "death tax" is still there.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 1:01 PM
Reasoning,
I have two daughters who are CPA's and a Grandson graduating in May with a year of graduate work under his belt and with his eye on taking the CPA test this Spring. I probably know as much or more than you do about Estate Planning, which I did 15 years ago. And have had to update to stay in step with changing laws and rules.
The problem is the rules can change in a heartbeat and that is why we have to fight tooth and toenail to keep the Leftists out of the majority that can do so.
And with all of your beating around the bush, you still refuse to answer the question honestly. One or two words would answer the question.
To answer your next post... my estate is not going to probate. Unless of course the rules change quicker than my attorney can react.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 1:12 PM
It isn't a yes or no question. And you aren't answering any of my questions either.
And good for your daughters, so?
-- Posted by Reasoning on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 1:15 PM
What you need is a good lawyer!
-- Posted by Reasoning on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 1:16 PM
What you need is a good lawyer!
-- Posted by Reasoning on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 1:16 PM
Do you think a Tax Attorney from Lathrop and Gage would meet your requirements?
I never asked for a yes or no answer. I asked who should have first claim on my estate, 1.) my children or 2.) the government? You don't like yes or no, then chose 1.) or 2.)
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 1:23 PM
If someone paid $1,000 for a farm during the '30s and it's worth $100,000 today, taxing that difference is taxing inflation. Although the farm has most likely improved it is not a 100 times more valuable and the difference shouldn't be looked upon as unearned income when left to heirs.
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 1:32 PM
Wheels, we know what Reasoning's answer is...Here's the next question: Why do you think the government should get it?
-- Posted by BonScott on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 1:49 PM
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 1:32 PM
Old John,
All Obama's latest proposal is doing is to encourage politicians to work towards increasing inflation.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 1:51 PM
-- Posted by BonScott on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 1:49 PM
In the overall scheme of things, the government may get what little I leave, but I will bet my oldest daughter will make them earn it.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 1:57 PM
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 1:57 PM
My question was aimed at Reasoning:)....I hope your daughter makes it harder than hell for them to touch it....My grandparents gifted away thousands of dollars and stock shares to me, my brother, and father so the government couldn't get there hands on it....Why "liberals" are envious of other people's money is beyond me.
-- Posted by BonScott on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 2:07 PM
BonScott,
I assure you she will and the attorney she will be using was not defending a speeding ticket or a DUI last week either. :-)
PS: I didn't work my buns off since I was about 7 years old to pay for the Kobe Beef Obama and the likes of him like to indulge themselves with.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 2:20 PM
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ÁÙ on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 1:57 PM
Wheels: The Liberals want all of the money left by hard working Americans so as to give to the "blood sucking freeloaders". This is the new Envy Economics.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 5:10 PM
-- Posted by semo471 on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 5:10 PM
Semo471,
I fear you are correct. The sad part is the Leftists posters on here all appear to agree with them. Reasoning did not have the courage to admit on here what he/she feels, so refuses to answer a simple question.
The Leftists will not be satisfied until we are all equally poor and dependent upon government. Then the few elitists can live high while the rest kneel at their feet and beg. A perfect Communistic end to today's growing Socialism.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 5:32 PM
I was following some of the breakdowns of the president's budget. In one presentation the explainer said that Secretary Kerry acknowledges the most important investment is in his people's resources giving them the tools to respond to America's crisis' around the world and providing the basic needs for freedom and welfare of suppressed people. [not a quote, just the gist of it] Anyway each investment is millions and billions.
Why is the America worker responsible for the whole world?
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 6:39 PM
Rick, I'm pretty sure Obama favors the old plan of jest: How much did you earn. Send it.
My prediction is that we will hear [if we listen very closely] more about the presidential indulgences that surpass John Kerry's arrogance when it comes to food and luxury. The next president will inherent a worn out plane.
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 8:15 PM
I am not afraid of admitting anything. I don't have an answer for a hypothetical question. When you pass, your money won't go with you.
What happens to it depends on how well you have planned. What are you scared of Wheels?
-- Posted by Reasoning on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 8:25 PM
I am not afraid of admitting anything. I don't have an answer for a hypothetical question. When you pass, your money won't go with you.
What happens to it depends on how well you have planned. What are you scared of Wheels?
-- Posted by Reasoning on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 8:25 PM
Reasoning,
If you are not afraid of admitting anything then why not answer the question. There was nothing hypothetical about the question, read it again.
Quit trying to deflect, nowhere did I say the money was going with me, I would simply like to know who you think should have the first claim to my estate, my children or the government. A simple enough real life question that we all face if we are not living on the largesse of the taxpayers.
Scared of, nothing except that another loser like Obama comes along and wants to change the rules of the game. Like the new change Obama wants on setting the cost basis of inherited property.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 9:21 PM
Wheels, You seem to be the only one so far to acknowledge the subject of the thread. In my opinion it is a natural right of riches to be passed down without interference. Several references in the Old Testament concur.
We don't have a large estate to pass on but our grave plots and headstone are paid for and in place. If the lawyer is correct, what we have will pass on untaxed. The idea is not to make your children wealthy with one's passing but convey what is rightfully theirs.
I won't be there but as long as I am here I must object to the idea of grave robbing.
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 9:44 PM
"If the lawyer is correct, what we have will pass on untaxed."
Old John,
Or..... unless the government decides to change the rules again in the middle of the game. The way they are spending money, they are desperate to get their hands on it, no matter who gets screwed over.
I think you and I are on the same page on this. Inheritance taxes are nothing but legalized robbery. It does not matter if a man/woman has $100.00 or $100,000,000.00. He/she has worked for it and paid the taxes on it and what is in the estate when the man/woman passes on, should belong to his/her heirs or whomsoever he/she wants to leave it to.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 10:09 PM
"Several references in the Old Testament concur."
Old John,
When your God is the government, the Old Testament or the New Testament are not considered.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 10:13 PM
Wheels, you are scared of what is going to happen to your money after you die? I am making a judgement here and I know it, but you are worrying about the wrong thing. You should (opinion) worry about where you are going after you die.
Wheels and Old John, the Pharisees were trying to trap Jesus into blaspheming, and asked if it was lawful for Jews to pay taxes to Rome. Jesus held up the coin and asked whose picture was on it, when the Pharisees replied that it was Caesar's picture, Jesus told them to give to Caesar that which was his (taxes) and give to God what belonged to Him. (soul)
-- Posted by Reasoning on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 6:06 AM
-- Posted by Reasoning on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 6:06 AM
Reason: If you would just read the post from Wheels with an open mind you would realize that the money left to the family has all ready been taxed as it was made over and over doing the years. Inheritance to the love ones should be free and clear to them unless you are leaving the money to the US Treasury.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 9:03 AM
Jesus told them to give to Caesar that which was his (taxes) and give to God what belonged to Him. (soul) -- Posted by Reasoning on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 6:06 AM
I love liberal "religion"... so little, so wrong. So what are we to do? Take all our $5 bills and lay them on Lincoln's tomb? Take all our $1 bills and lay them on Washington's grave? To "give to Lincoln that which was his" because it is Lincoln's picture? I like how you added your human "taxes" and "soul" into that scripture reading of the word of God. Any other words you like to interpret or add in the bible?
=====
Here are some unmodified bible quotes for liberals:
"The soul of the sluggard craves and gets nothing, while the soul of the diligent is richly supplied."
"For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat."
"A slack hand causes poverty, but the hand of the diligent makes rich."
"But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever."
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Chew on those scriptures as you push welfare onto others.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 9:07 AM
-- Posted by Reasoning on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 6:06 AM
No Reasoning, you have it all wrong as usual. I am worried about the government stealing from my children and grandchildren. I care about their well being when it comes to dealing with a crooked government.
I get it though.... in answering my question you were concerned about "blaspheming" against your God, the government. Fear not, Caesar has his taxes on what I have earned.
So I will make a judgement about you, as you have made one about me.... you believe that the government has first claim on the estate of a deceased person. Good luck, when the government no longer needs lackeys like you to carry their water for them.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 9:07 AM
Old John,
I passed on to my daughter your information on Obama's wish to change the cost basis of inherited assets.
She was aware of it. A summary of her thoughts..... "I am very excited we only have 2 more years of his crap."
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 9:15 AM
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 9:07 AM
That's what I've been saying front the start Wheels. Now I would like to hear Reasoning's thinking behind that thought process...I'm sure we'll be waiting awhile..:)
-- Posted by BonScott on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 9:18 AM
Just remember Wheels, you, my father, and grandfather didn't build that...:)
-- Posted by BonScott on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 9:20 AM
BonScott,
I have been watching the Leftists from the top down to the Lackeys we see on here and it is all the same... when asked a direct question, they will hem and haw but never answer the question. I watched that the other evening when that Obama appointee was being questioned about what the government strategy was on the release of those 5 Radical Islamic criminals for one American Deserter. The interviewer tried and tried, but she could never get an answer out of him.
It is no different on the bottom... we saw that yesterday with Reasoning's refusal to give a direct answer.
Is there a school on how to be a Leftist, a book.... or do they just emulate their masters?
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 9:31 AM
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 9:31 AM
I believe the latter is the answer.
-- Posted by BonScott on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 9:35 AM
Although the Communist Manifesto might be their playbook of choice...
-- Posted by BonScott on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 9:37 AM
Just remember Wheels, you, my father, and grandfather didn't build that...:)
-- Posted by BonScott on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 9:20 AM
Bon Scott
Maybe not... but if not, who the hell did? It certainly was not government. Government produces nothing. The whole institution of government here in America has turned into the biggest pile of dead wood in history. The few that are trying to right the "Ship of State" haven't a chance.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 9:37 AM
Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 9:37 AM
Agree....And there is no doubt that my grandfather, father, and yourself built your businesses. There was no help from government, and that's the way they wanted it...My grandfather would have rolled over in his grave if he had heard Obama make that statement.
-- Posted by BonScott on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 9:43 AM
BonScott
Another equally as stupid statement by Obama during his State of the Union Address and some thoughts on it. Sent to me by a friend.
"President Obama's State of the Union address on January 20, he claimed that "The shadow of crisis has passed, and the State of the Union is strong." (Yes it has passed, we are now out of the shadow and in the dark)
Oh really! Here are a few facts by which we can measure his tenure as president:
Annual Gross Domestic Product growth has been about 2 percent per year, which is less than half of the economy's capacity for growth.
The lowest labor participation rate in decades, which means a real unemployment rate of more than 10 percent instead of the widely reported 5.6 percent.
Americans who have joined the food stamp program since 2009: 13 million
Americans who have fallen into poverty since 2009: 5.5 million
Decline in median household income since Obama became president: $2,484
Number of Americans who will no longer have employer-sponsored health insurance thanks to ObamaCare: 7 Million
Increase in family health premiums under Obama: $4,154
The United States of America has no foreign policy strategy."
I would like to add.... we are in near total darkness. Very little of substance is release to us by this so called government of "transparency".
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 9:59 AM
We don't have a large estate to pass on but our grave plots and headstone are paid for and in place. If the lawyer is correct, what we have will pass on untaxed. The idea is not to make your children wealthy with one's passing but convey what is rightfully theirs.
-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Feb 2, 2015, at 9:44 PM
The people I feel sorry for are the ones that have worked the farm all their life and when Dad and Mom pass they will have to sell it and find a job because there is no way to borrow the money to pay the taxes and keep the land.
Reasoning saying it should go to probate has to be a joke. For what little I have I put it in a trust and will pass to the kids untaxed. What they do after that will be up the current tax laws at that time. I do think some liberal is going to find a way to end that.
Wonder If Buffett will leave all his assets to the gov. Of course it will be a drop in the bucket.
Liberals remind me of a bucket of crabs. When a single crab is put into a bucket they will escape. But when more than one are in the bucket and one crab starts to pull himself out the others will grab the crab and drag them back down to share the same fate of the rest of them.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 10:02 AM
Reasoning must be a politician or practicing for a run for office. Best non answers to a straightforward question I've seen.
-- Posted by rocknroll on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 10:56 AM
Now this is odd, only the conservatives posting on here this morning (cept Rick). I guess all the Liberals are working. Kind of throws a curve in your ideology doesn't it, fellars?
-- Posted by Reasoning on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 12:15 PM
It appears Reasoning must have picked up his/her marbles and gone home.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 12:17 PM
Pay up Wheels, ha ha ha ha ha
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
You probably screwed the govt on taxes your whole life. It's their way of getting even.
-- Posted by left turn on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 12:21 PM
Kind of throws a curve in your ideology doesn't it, fellars? -- Posted by Reasoning on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 12:15 PM
Actually no. Liberals seem to have a problem with walking and chewing gum at the same time. I am working and posting and my company doesn't care because of the hours I put in.
So, sadly, you're wrong again. Nice attempt to deflect from answering the questions posed to you! I'll give you credit for that.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 12:21 PM
You probably screwed the govt on taxes your whole life. It's their way of getting even. -- Posted by left turn on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 12:21 PM
You whined yesterday when someone suggested you voted for Obama.
And then turn around today and suggest someone cheated on their taxes.
Grab a mirror - your hypocrisy knows no bounds.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 12:26 PM
Pay up Wheels, ha ha ha ha ha
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
You probably screwed the govt on taxes your whole life. It's their way of getting even.
-- Posted by left turn on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 12:21 PM
Isn't that little display pathetic?
Good Grief Gertrude, call the guys with the white coats.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 12:33 PM
-- Posted by Reasoning on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 12:15 PM
Reason: The Left are out cashing all of the first of the month free hand out checks.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 12:36 PM
Oooops!
Just hen I gave up.... Reasoning pops in with something else off target.
Reasoning,
I will soon be 77 years old and still working. I Worked last night until about 11;00PM via the internet. You know what you assumptions do I suppose?
PS: And I am still paying taxes to help support you Leftist takers.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 12:37 PM
I have never taken in my life, including what services I am eligible for (VA etc.). Again, you assume so much so wrong.
Not off target. I didn't answer the question the way you wanted, but I answered the truth. Your answer is not the only one. Maybe you will spend it all before you go.
-- Posted by Reasoning on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 12:44 PM
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 12:48 PM
Not off target. I didn't answer the question the way you wanted, but I answered the truth. Your answer is not the only one. Maybe you will spend it all before you go.
-- Posted by Reasoning on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 12:44 PM
Reasoning,
No you did not in fact answer my question. All you did was dance around the question and try to give me Estate Planning information, which it is obvious you are not qualified to do. And totally unnecessary as I pointed out was done long ago by a very well qualified attorney, with input from my daughter.
Being a responsible person it is unlikely that I will die penniless, but one never knows, but yes you can bet your bippy I will work on seeing to it that you Leftists don't collect twice.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 12:59 PM
Then there's the republican point of view...
"With the coming of the Spanish-American War, once again Congress enacted a graduated estate tax, this time topping out at 15 percent, subject to proper exemptions, of course. It died with the passing of armed conflict, just as earlier estate-tax legislation had done.
"But in 1906 Republican President Theodore Roosevelt proposed to Congress that a permanent--and peacetime--"death" tax be instituted, as well as a progressive income tax. "The man of great wealth owes a peculiar obligation to the State," he wrote, "because he derives special advantages from the mere existence of government"--not the least of which is "the protection the State gives him." Since the republic's creation the national government had soaked the poor on a regular basis through price-boosting tariffs and excise taxes, and it was about time aristocrats anted up. Compared to today's Republicans, it would seem our 26th president had "peculiar" ideas about advantaged individuals' obligations to others."
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 1:06 PM
An old article fabricated by an old liberal professor.
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 1:21 PM
OJ- and of course Common forgot all his "racism" posts that Republicans back then were really democrats and racist democrats then are really racist republicans now. Or something like that. His spin confuses even him.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 1:27 PM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 1:06 PM
Common,
A couple of things, one man's opinion does not necessarily make right or might.
Inheritance taxes are not a new thing. See the following. But the fact that they can be traced to Augustus Caesar still does not make them right. And they did not collect at the rate they do today 55% down from just under 90% some time back.
Warren Buffet talks big talk about taxing the rich more, but he doesn't walk the walk. Read just recently where one of his companies is in a tax battle with the IRS over excise taxes, and are demanding money be returned that has been paid over past years.
Anyone who thinks the government should collect 55% of someone's estate just because it has exceeded what government determines to be a righteous amount for the heirs to keep is a thief at heart.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 1:28 PM
Methinks common is frustrated he still has to work...I wonder what common, lefty, and Reasoning are jealous of?
-- Posted by BonScott on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 1:44 PM
Common sounds to be in favor of Obama's plan to strengthen the middle class and help the poor by wealth redistribution.
Democrats want to tax corporate profits earned over seas. Obama now offers some business a $3000 incentive via ACA to hire an illegal immigrant that his program fast tracks past those legal immigrants that have paid the fees to get their spouses in years later.
Obama wants all this money approved to rebuild the infrastructure and create renewable energy and strengthen the middle class and give the poor a chance. We've been there done that, what happened to all the money last time. A few big democrats got rich with defective solar panel scams, a few democrat unions bolstered their pensions at the expense of a lot of suppler jobs lost.
Obama wants a blank check for homeland security as he is diverting money from there now to hire thousands and spending millions on facilities to house and convert illegal immigrants into democrats.
And by raising corporate taxes we will see the American corporations go completely overseas as fast as he brings in more illegals to take what jobs are left. Mexico is laughing all the to the bank with the gobs of money we just gave them to defend their southern border.
Yep, ole common is of conservative leanings alright as he hopes we forget how he earlier so staunchly defended every word and action of this president that defies his oath to harm this nation surely not by his ignorance but twisted intent.
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 6:11 PM
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 6:11 PM
Old John,
You seem to doubt that Common is in any way a Conservative. Hmmmm! I would say you are onto something there.
You probably remember all of the venom he displayed as he belittled all Conservatives as having faulty logic, I bet. Right?
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 6:50 PM
Wheels, Goes back farther than that to when he parroted every word and promise of Obama as the best idea since sliced bread. I actually respected common for his devotion to his misguided cause back then. But now he can't defend Obama and wants us to believe he has always had conservative leanings.
Kind of funny
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 7:22 PM
Funny? Not just "kinda," definitely so.
Where do you two get this stuff?
Make it up?
When I get time I'll try to get you "unconfused." (After I stop laughing that is.)
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 8:28 PM
Methinks common is frustrated he still has to work...I wonder what common, lefty, and Reasoning are jealous of?
-- Posted by BonScott on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 1:44 PM
Common is retired from the military and now going to school while living at the farm.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 8:32 PM
Regret, I wonder what kind of farm! :)
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 8:40 PM
Old John,
You grew up in Bollinger County, same as me.... you should have some idea if it is more than 3 miles north of the "Big Ditch".
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 9:06 PM
Old John,
I see where, when Common finds the time, he is going to get you "unconfused". Does that mean he has given up on me and some of the others on Speak Out and the Forums? Lucky you!!
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 9:14 PM
Regret, I wonder what kind of farm! :)
-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 8:40 PM
Funny?
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 9:33 PM
Regrets,
I have always suspected Common's farm was on top of a secret hazardous waste dump that we never knew about. Something has to explain his behavior.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 10:01 PM
"...strengthen the middle class..."
As opposed to the republican/conservative "plan" to weaken the middle class and harm the poor?
The republican/conservative plan has to bring "profits" back, so why are they objecting now?
"...illegal immigrant that his program fast tracks past those legal immigrants..." is a fabrication?
"...approved to rebuild the infrastructure..." Why do you think that infrastructure does not need to be rebuilt?
"...create renewable energy..." Is it not dumb to give all the energy jobs to China?
"...wants a blank check for homeland security..." No, DHS needs to be funded as in every other year.
"...convert illegal immigrants into democrats." That's pure BS. There is no "path to citizenship" in existence.
"...corporations go completely overseas as fast as he brings in more illegals to take what jobs are left." More pure BS.
"...the venom he displayed as he belittled all Conservatives as having faulty logic,..."
Venom? How so? All I did was point out clear and sobvious lapses in logic by the conservatives on SO, not all.
"....when he parroted every word and promise of Obama as the best idea since sliced bread." Perhaps you can identify when that was.
"...wants us to believe he has always had conservative leanings."
Actually, what you "believe" is of no concern to me. As mentioned numerous times, smaller government is supposedly a conservative goal and I "lean" that way. If you want lager government and higher taxes, that your choice.
As for "Inform U on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 8:32 PM" to "Will Travel - ÁÙ on Tue, Feb 3, 2015, at 10:01 PM" ...
That's exactly the sort of juvenile babbling that everyone else on SO expects from you.
And yes, we are laughing at you, not with you.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 5:15 AM
I guess you are right Wheels.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 7:09 AM
And yes, WE are laughing at you, not with you. -- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 5:15 AM
Who is "we"? Got a mouse in your pocket Common?
-- Posted by not_sorry on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 7:13 AM
common: I've noticed you never comment or agree when I mention the federal government needs to do what it was initially set up to do, which is very limited...I thought you were independent with conservative leanings:)..? So what are you scared of?
-- Posted by BonScott on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 7:28 AM
Laughter. Sorry Dug, you're not part of the "we." You're one of those being laughed at.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 7:44 AM
You're one of those being laughed at. -- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 7:44 AM
Laughter - by you and your mouse. The only "we" you got...
-- Posted by not_sorry on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 7:48 AM
common, I believe the laughter might be aimed at you, with the hysterical claim that you're independent with conservative leanings:) Now that's good comedy!
-- Posted by BonScott on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 8:19 AM
Laughter. Sorry Dug, you're not part of the "we." You're one of those being laughed at.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 7:44 AM
Well Common is laughing again all is well with the world. I think maybe I will just spend the day relaxing.... nothing to worry about today.
Where was Common the past week or so.... maybe in mourning for his lame/dead duck of a President? Now if one needs a good laugh there would be a place to start, if it wasn.t so pathetic.
Common can
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 8:47 AM
Oooops, wonder where "Common can" was left from on my last post.
Oh well with the new brand of Conservatism Common has created on the Threads it can cause a person to become confused.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 8:50 AM
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ÁÙ on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 8:47 AM
Wheels: There are more exciting things to do than to read "Common's" posts such as watching paint dry and listening to the dial tone on the phone.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 8:51 AM
"...it can cause a person to become confused."
True.
Given the type of conservative participants on SO, it's not surprising that they become easily confused.
Grouchy old men tend to get that way.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 9:59 AM
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 9:59 AM
Common,
I believe most Conservative posters on here could truthfully say..... unlike you, their government is not their God.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 10:13 AM
"...here could truthfully say..... unlike you, their government is not their God."
Sorry, you're wrong again. Government is not my "God" either. Have whatever opinion you want, it still does not make you correct.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 11:27 AM
beer?
-- Posted by Reasoning on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 12:38 PM
"Has anyone seen my jacket ?
It's white with sleeves that make me hug myself with a cool belt."
You reckon it would fit Common?
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 1:08 PM
Wheels has it on.
-- Posted by Reasoning on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 1:09 PM
Nope,
I'm wearing a raincoat today. Been raining since about 5:00am.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 1:56 PM
Shucks Wheels, they just told you that's what it was.
-- Posted by Reasoning on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 2:11 PM
I don't believe this type of style jacket is necessary for commonsensematters to wear any way.
-- Posted by ▪Rick on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 2:38 PM
Not so sure of that Rick.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 2:48 PM
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 5:17 PM
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 5:17 PM
Old John,
If the Senate approves this witch we have no hope left that anything is going to change.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 7:49 PM
Wheels, Another thing the dems are against is a twice before passed house law that says before a federal agency can declare an unfunded mandate they have to entertain thoughts and suggestions from those it affects. Democrats are against anything that hold in check the power of the executive to rule by decree.
The founders knew presidents would need to delegate some authority to fulfill the oath to uphold the laws and rules of the legislative branch. There is no provision in the constitution for the president to make laws via agencies he created.
As common tried to blame the republican party for all things progressive, he overlooked the basic truth that it is the duty of the president to see that laws are enforced and this president has ignored that duty to the point of a degree of treason, not to say he is the first. Previous presidents not held accountable does not set precedent of legality.
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Feb 4, 2015, at 8:24 PM
I'm sure Wheels will find happiness in knowing Theorist cares! :)
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 7:46 AM
-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 6:37 AM
Theorist: You need to take off those rose colored glasses and see the USA and the world as it really is and not what Pres. Pinky says it is. Now, have a good day.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 7:56 AM
-- Posted by semo471 on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 7:56 AM
semo, you nailed it. Just the simple thinking of people like Theorist is a huge part of the problem. People have been turning the other cheek for way to long(including republicans) and it has got us into a world of trouble...Government is so big now, people just think it's normal...That's not good.
-- Posted by BonScott on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 8:07 AM
I think some people are so invested in their politicians and government they feel if you are upset with the government and if you don't like the presidents policies you simply can't be happy in life because, after all, the government is your life.
I can't stand the presidents policies of tax more and spend more. I can't stand his lies. I can't stand the $18 TRILLION in debt. I can't stand liberals for one reason - they are attempting to control our lives by taking our income and giving it to their lazy voter base.
Having said that, I'm extremely happy. I am pretty successful. I have a great family and endless friends and am really the luckiest person in the world - and that's about the way I feel 99% of the time.
Until I come on here and see people trying to ruin the country I was raised in and taught to love and, most of all, trying to destroy that country for my children and grandchildren. For the sake of power.
And that "liberal" tag belongs to many weak-kneed republicans as well...
-- Posted by not_sorry on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 9:08 AM
Well said Dug!
-- Posted by BonScott on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 9:21 AM
Rick - you have a definition for liberal and I do and they're different. In the news today and in the culture today Obama is a liberal.
Sure-the colonies/patriots may have been "liberal" back 250 years ago and sure that term could have meant different things. But I don't live then - I live now. And in today's world the politics of the left/far-left are considered "liberals" and the politics of the right/far-right are considered "conservative". Here's a definition from the Webster dictionary:
"liberal - adjective lib·er·al \ˈli-b(ə-)rəl\ : believing that government should be active in supporting social and political change : relating to or supporting political liberalism"
I have nothing running down my chin and don't appreciate your comment. If you want to redefine the word liberal have at it. But it doesn't make it fact, only an opinion.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 10:03 AM
Daily Wheels... you prove you have not a smidgeon of hope about anything. It is a constant diatribe of doom and gloom. I remember how upset you were the first time President Obama was elected into office. Yet...you are still here, apparently healthy and wealthy. Is it not time to shake the doomsday attitude and let happiness prevail?
Now, have a good day!
-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 6:37 AM
Now where would I start with this wish for a good day?
Theorist, Sweetie, my distrust for this empty suit of a President started way before he was elected the first time. As I have stated before, when I first heard him speak at the 2004 Democratic Convention I actually thought the Democrats had found a new shining star, in 2007 I finally realized, I had been duped and he was all blow and no go. I have seen nothing since 2007 that has changed my mind.
So far as my comment last night, it was what I felt towards the possibility that this new Republican Senate would actually approve such a far left Communistic thinker like Loretta Lynch to the office of Attorney General that there is little hope of their getting this country back on track.
The Ship of State is adrift, look at our foreign policy. ISIS runs amuck and Obama releases some more hot air and goes back to golf. Look at the way he handled the news that an American was beheaded. A few minutes of hot air and he was off to the golf course.
Since you made the assumption that my health and wealth is intact, I am happy to report to you that my health is fine, blood pressure low this morning with no pills. Now my "wealth", such as it is is another matter, the money I have and every other American has in the bank is cheapened by every dollar the Federal Reserve prints, which is at a record during this administration. For those of us who are retired, even if we are still earning, that is a big concern, we do not have the element of time on our side to recoup those losses. Inflation is my worry. What happens if we live longer that our savings does?
So you go ahead and wish me a good day any time you feel the urge. Oh, and the same to you.
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 10:36 AM
-- Posted by ▪Rick on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 11:33 AM
Stay on the weed Rick - your comments make more sense when you're high. And wipe the stuff running down your chin off.
I better take a step back and re-think things -- Posted by ▪Rick on Tue, Jan 13, 2015, at 12:35 PM
I would suggest you take your own advice.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 12:20 PM
You ask for my opinion and I gave it . -- Posted by ▪Rick on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 3:11 PM
I never asked you for your opinion. This is where you get mix fused. I said I don't like liberals and never once mentioned your name. I said I also don't like liberal republicans and never once mentioned your name.
Then you started to personally attack me with your "If you haven't figured out the difference , it's all on you , it's running down your chin." -- Posted by ▪Rick on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 9:42 AM
Now cut and paste where I ever asked for your opinion or attacked your political opinion. I never did. I wasn't even talking to you.
Once again take your own advice - "it has nothing to do with you, it's not all about you".
-- Posted by not_sorry on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 3:30 PM
I. you can comprehend space and time, then go back and read my 9:08AM post. I never once mentioned you or talked about you or your politics. Period. I never mentioned your name. Then you started your personal attack.
Go back and read my post and provide JUST ONE example of how it was directed at you.
And wipe that crap off your chin... my comments to you personally were well after your confusion. Try again - if you can.
Read my 9:08 post and tell me where I ever talked to you or about you. Put up or shut up.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 3:57 PM
"...that's about the way I feel 99% of the time."
It truly is gratifying to hear that you are normal 99% of the time.
"Until I come on here and see people trying to ruin the country..."
Must be the abnormal 1%. How is anyone trying to "ruin the country?"
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 4:15 PM
You are a child. I never called you out on anything - never used your name and you attacked.
Put up or shut up - you're looking bad here. Where did I personally attack you in my 9:08 post? Now you know you've been caught in a lie. Man up. Or take another toke.
Where is your name or any of your other 50 names mentioned in this post:
"First , you call Obama a liberal when I have said I wasn't .Next you implied I was a weak kneed conservative " . I called Obama a liberal, is Obama another of your many names?
Put up or shut up.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 4:39 PM
Must be the abnormal 1%. How is anyone trying to "ruin the country?" -- Posted by commonsensematters on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 4:15 PM
Unrelenting debt - liberal republicans and democrats. It's not fake, it's growing exponentially fast and the interest alone on the debt is more than all defense-spending and all non-defense spending. Just the interest.
Obamacare - IRS/Gov't control over our lives and 22 new taxes.
The increasing welfare class, horrible "real" (U6) unemployment is leaving a generation behind. Not to mention the massive college loans.
Just a few.
=====
Rick - asldk9eiasdkl%%%902093klksdfj - that's swahili for "Your name is not mentioned in this post and it's not directed at you". In case you're still struggling.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 4:43 PM
I know Swahili is African. Apparently you didn't until you googled it.
Answer the question big boy. Put up or shut up. I called Obama a liberal, is Obama another of your many names? Where did I mention your name? I never did - you're to man enough to admit you screwed up.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 4:54 PM
Quit deflecting like Obama. You seem to think when I attack Obama I'm attacking you. I'm beginning to think you believe you really are Obama.
Put up or shut up. Where did I ever refer to you in my 9:08 post? I never did, and you ain't man enough to admit you screwed up.
Prove me wrong - where did I refer to you?
-- Posted by not_sorry on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 5:54 PM
Rick & Dug: Have respect for the both of you but let's get back to the business of trying to balance the ship called the USA and keep it from capsizing and sinking. We all get carried away in our posts (me included) and all members of all parties and Independents should have only the good of the USA in mind on these forums. We may take different roads to arrive at the results that will make America great so let's not put hazards out for anyone driving down that road. I will now get off of the soap box and try to practice what I preach.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 7:42 PM
semo - well put.
I have no idea why he attacked for no reason. But hey, I'm not new here so I've seen it all!
-- Posted by not_sorry on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 7:53 PM
I didn't see/hear all of the National prayer breakfast so did I miss the part where the president recognized Christ as Lord and Savior? Did I miss the part where he acknowledged his Christian faith. When I started watching he was talking about the crusades and explaining the faults of my religion were not restricted to one faith but common in all beliefs and it was the duty of religious leaders of all faiths to draw people to an understanding of coexistence.
He works in mysterious ways.
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 8:04 PM
OJ - he tried to cover for muslim terrorists by saying "Christians do it too" - 500-800 years ago.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 8:14 PM
The problem that Pres. Pinky overlooked is that the Christians back in the Crusades time killed for religious beliefs but the Muslims still kill for religious beliefs today.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 8:21 PM
Seems like Dug has been having lots of trouble getting along today.
-- Posted by Reasoning on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 8:21 PM
Why stir the pot Reasoning?
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 8:26 PM
Nothing new - the usual liberal crowd. Seems like you have a lot of trouble getting along everyday. I've got a ways to go to catch up with you.
Rest assured I'm unfazed. Whatcha got running down your chin Reasoning?
LOL!
-- Posted by not_sorry on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 8:27 PM
Dug, I've had watermelon juice on my chin. Is that what you refer to ?
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 8:37 PM
Not sure - Rick said that to me this morning. Who knows what he was thinking.
Thought Reasoning would enjoy that since he skipped over that statement by Rick but thought it cute to poke me. He's toothless...
-- Posted by not_sorry on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 8:49 PM
As cold as its been these last two days I hate to say it but what is running down my chin exited from my nose.
-- Posted by Truth Slinger on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 8:50 PM
semo, I know what you're saying. A few years back I went to an auction when it was colder than this. After about an hour I went home to reinforce my wardrobe and returned to see someone's brother still standing and bidding with light attire. By then my feet were too numb to hurt and I went home to thaw what rhymes with not from all below my nose. :)
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 9:00 PM
Why stir the pot Reasoning?
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 8:26 PM
Cause he was lying on the other thread about me. I have a problem with that.
-- Posted by Reasoning on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 9:04 PM
OJ
I like those cold auctions. People tend to leave before the good stuff sells.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 9:08 PM
-- Posted by Reasoning on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 9:04 PM
Nah - no lying. You admitted you said you support Obamacare and you blamed pharmaceutical companies. Looks like your anger issues pour over to other subjects.
Once again your own words betray you. The only problem you have is whining.
You love Obamacare and you blame pharmaceutical companies for robbing consumers. Why whine? Your words, not mine.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 9:10 PM
You lied and you know it. I am still waiting for you to show where I ever said it. Course you can't. Since you lied about that you lose all credibility.
Can't stand it when your wrong, so you lie.
-- Posted by Reasoning on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 9:17 PM
Regret. I did leave early that time.
You still got any of that junk you brought home?:)
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 9:21 PM
You still got any of that junk you brought home?:)
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 9:21 PM
Old John,
Pretty sure somebody's brother still has some of the junk he bought that day. Although I understand he had a general cleaning out around Christmas. Maybe you could of got the junk for nothing had you known that. :-)
-- Posted by Have Wheels Will Travel - ΑΩ on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 9:36 PM
Reasoning - you lied and you know it.
WEALTH ENVY/GREEDY CORPORATIONS: "Its the pharmaceutical companies robbing the sick. Some day karma will prevail." -- Posted by Reasoning on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 5:56 AM
YOU LOVE OBAMACARE: "I totally support ACA. Totally." -- Posted by Reasoning on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 11:39 AM
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Your words. You've supported Obamacare on here repeatedly and even now you blame greedy corporations. Obamacare was supposed to fix all that. You bought Obama's lie hook, line and sinker.
Can't stand it when your wrong so you lie. And whine.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 9:42 PM
You two libs are hilarious. You used the EXACT same line of BS on here to tell us why Obamacare should be passed - to "get those greedy insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies". You played that "greedy" wealth-envy card to death. And you bought Obama's lies hook, line sinker. And told the rest of us we were wrong.
-- Posted by Dug on Thu, Feb 5, 2015, at 9:27 AM
Yep, lied! Heck, you even capitalized it! Ha! I think he is attacking you too, BS.
-- Posted by Reasoning on Fri, Feb 6, 2015, at 5:56 AM
-- Posted by Reasoning on Fri, Feb 6, 2015, at 5:56 AM
Me?....I don't think so.
-- Posted by BonScott on Fri, Feb 6, 2015, at 6:57 AM
I think he is attacking you too, BS. -- Posted by Reasoning on Fri, Feb 6, 2015, at 5:56 AM
Liar! Liar pants on fire... Oh the horror. Heck, you even capitalized BonScotts initials!
See how childish you look? Anyone can do this. You admitted you "totally" support Obamacare. Then yesterday you started attacking greedy pharmaceutical companies as the problem with prescription costs. You've admitted all of this.
So here you are, after pushing Obamacare, telling us that the problem with the costs of drugs isn't related to Obamacare it's greedy corporations that "rob the sick". Obamacare was supposed to those greedy insurance, hospitals and pharma companies out and reduce our costs.
Is this what you're reduced to? Splitting hairs to get personal? Weak Reasoning. Very weak.
And I directly addressed my comments to you and wrcactus. Two libs pushing Obamacare and still blaming greedy corporations.
-- Posted by not_sorry on Fri, Feb 6, 2015, at 7:58 AM
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