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Posted by ratiocination on Sat, Jan 19, 2013, at 4:48 PM:

Manifestos have a tendency to get one in very hot water.



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Rick, You just described Castro's Cuban revolution and the dethroning of the Russian Tsar.

BC, Yes, it as Frederick Douglas said. "The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."

Problem is, people must be informed and educated enough to recognize the beginnings of tyranny to prevent it with the vote.

-- Posted by Old John on Sat, Jan 19, 2013, at 11:54 PM

Problem is, people must be informed and educated enough to recognize the beginnings of tyranny to prevent it with the vote.

-- Posted by Old John on Sat, Jan 19, 2013, at 11:54 PM

But people also love security of the nanny state. Otherwise they have to create their own destiny.

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Sun, Jan 20, 2013, at 12:06 AM

I should have indicated informed and educated in the right way. Our society has been educated and informed in a gradual way to accept authority.

I think maybe the armed part of our society has contributed to the gradual part.

-- Posted by Old John on Sun, Jan 20, 2013, at 12:45 AM

You may or may not be able to prevent tyranny with semi-automatic rifles. The bigger question: can you prevent tyranny without them?

Throughout history, we have seen that one man or group of armed men have stood against overwhelming odds and changed the course of history. From the Spartans at Thermopylae to the Alvin York and Audie Murphy, such men have made their place in history.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Sun, Jan 20, 2013, at 9:27 AM

The human spirit can not be controlled

-- Posted by .Rick. on Sun, Jan 20, 2013, at 12:20 AM

I beg to differ, look at the obama followers and you can plainly see most are having their spirits controlled.

-- Posted by Mowrangler on Sun, Jan 20, 2013, at 10:55 AM

Wow BC I thought you were going to make it a whole thread without using the word neoconservatives.

-- Posted by Mowrangler on Sun, Jan 20, 2013, at 10:57 AM

They can have army's and tons of weapons but when they start out after rural and backwoods areas it will be like Vietnam. City people will be easy to corral since all they have to do is cut their electricity and they will be starving and out of fuel within a couple of weeks. All that will do to country folks is put them in survival mode.

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Sun, Jan 20, 2013, at 11:06 AM

The things we country boys have that gives the military the upper edge, and that is family and friends.-- Posted by BCStoned on Sun, Jan 20, 2013, at 11:12 AM

I guess military are all orphans? They have no friends or families? Your experiences in the military clearly were not good. I get that.

Your disdain for today's military and those that serve I don't get. I believe you are pretty clueless about those that serve today and the "generation" that you speak highly of in the post above - today's youth.

-- Posted by Dug on Sun, Jan 20, 2013, at 11:34 AM

Waco and Ruby Ridge were radical nuts who got what they deserved.

-- Posted by franchisee on Sun, Jan 20, 2013, at 12:41 PM

Were the accusations government made against the Branch Davidians as reason for assault ever proven?

-- Posted by Old John on Sun, Jan 20, 2013, at 1:06 PM

"Waco and Ruby Ridge were radical nuts who got what they deserved."

The complaceny of fools is the foothold of tyranny.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Sun, Jan 20, 2013, at 1:52 PM

As I understand the situation at Waco: you had a group of people who were convinced that the government was going to knock down their door and try to take their weapons, so the government knocked down there door in an effort to take away their weapons, to show the world those people were crazy...

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Sun, Jan 20, 2013, at 1:54 PM

...and the world believed it.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Sun, Jan 20, 2013, at 1:55 PM

The government went after Koresh on rumors of child molestation. His guns were legally obtained.

-- Posted by Old John on Sun, Jan 20, 2013, at 11:19 PM

BC, I agree. According to the media he had his followers believing it was coming, the big showdown with government. They should have just left them alone.

-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Jan 21, 2013, at 1:10 AM

So tyranny reared it head and a few people are dead. All the talk of conspriracy is plain and simple herasy. The BTAF was justified because nobody rightly testified and someday there will be a movie playing to back up what their saying.

-- Posted by Old John on Mon, Jan 21, 2013, at 1:37 AM

BC Rock: To answer your question in one word I would say yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_gene...

Rick, the more I read some of your answers I am convinced you are not native American but rather someone who is portraying him / her self to be Native American.

-- Posted by mobushwhacker on Mon, Jan 21, 2013, at 4:11 AM

I would suggest watching Waco: Rules of Engagement for those who think the Branch Davidians got "what they deserved".

Roger Ebert review of documentary:

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs...

Waco Rules of Engagement Documentary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QLiyLFST...

-- Posted by mobushwhacker on Mon, Jan 21, 2013, at 4:20 AM

The survivors of Ruby Ridge 'got what they deserved' (or at least what they agreed to accept) when the United States government settled out of court for its inappropriate actions in the siege. The government gunned down innocent citizens, and paid millions to the survivors to keep it out of the courtroom.

And, yet, there are far too many people who still believe the government was justified in what it did there.

That is how tyranny gets a foothold.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, Jan 21, 2013, at 9:22 AM

Dug, What makes you think that I have a disdain for those that serve in the military? -- Posted by BCStoned on Sun, Jan 20, 2013, at 12:20 PM

BC - I may have you confused with someone else but I thought I'd seen numerous posts running down those that would be in the military, join it or maybe just the "military" itself and not individuals. But I could be wrong and, if so, apologies.

-- Posted by Dug on Mon, Jan 21, 2013, at 1:41 PM

You provided more than enough even though I was owed no explanation. Thanks. It was what I figured after I thought about it but wasn't sure exactly what you meant. Now I know.

-- Posted by Dug on Mon, Jan 21, 2013, at 2:16 PM


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