"Five percent of labor hours are to be performed by women."
Hmmm. Is the Mayor saying he wants more women going into labour, or he wants their labours to last longer?
-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Wed, Dec 12, 2012, at 1:32 PM
Possibly in conformance to suggestions made by Washington do you suppose?
SH,
If St. Louis would have been founded today we would have to name it after Marie Antoinette in the interest of fairness.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Dec 12, 2012, at 3:41 PM
That's what we need is more regulation for business and then they ask themselves "where has all of the businesses gone" hell simple answer you ran them off or shut them down with all of these stupid uncalled for excessive regulations that we did not need. I will be the first to tell you like many small business owners will say, yes we do need regulations but for the past four years it has got out of hand. I met with a business today and they are preparing to lay off because of all of the uncertainly coming out of Washington and the business owner brought up the excessive regulation as well. "You got to have business before you have labor, without business there will be no labor".
-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Wed, Dec 12, 2012, at 3:48 PM
"...simple answer you ran them off or shut them down with all of these stupid uncalled for excessive regulations..."
St. Louis and virtually all cities have had workforce compliance standards relating to minorities, women and residency.
Why should the city spend its construction dollars on out-of-state companies and workers and leave city based firms out of the running.
You need not worry, the bidders are not going to be "run off" by any regulations.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Dec 12, 2012, at 3:56 PM
This is why state governments should be more in control than this federal government we have. Michigan is a perfect example. In the wake of the "right to work" fight in Michigan some interesting statistics came out.
In right to work states the average income is $7,000 MORE than forced-union states. Yet the liberals cry foul. To quote Obama in Michigan this week: "These so-called right-to-work laws, they don't have to do with economics, they have everything to do with politics. What they're really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money." A complete lie that got a big applause from his union audience.
If states want to have forced-unions in organized labor situations then let them have it - and industry will move elsewhere. I posted here a couple of years ago that unionized auto workers for GM/Chrysler/Ford make on average about $75-$85/hour FULLY loaded wages - wage, insurance, sick pay, vacation, bonuses. safety bonuses, everything included. Toyota/BMW, etc. that opened up numerous plants in the south pay around $25-$35/hour for the same jobs. Unions did destroy the American car companies. That along with incompetent executives that allowed this to happen.
-- Posted by Dug on Wed, Dec 12, 2012, at 3:58 PM
Why should the city spend its construction dollars on out-of-state companies and workers and leave city based firms out of the running. -- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Dec 12, 2012, at 3:56 PM
Why should a business in the City of St. Louis limit itself to just St. Louis? Why shouldn't it go to other cities and bid as well that don't practice the discrimination that St. Louis does?
-- Posted by Dug on Wed, Dec 12, 2012, at 4:00 PM
commonsensematters: You seem to be up to date with this Modern Day Democratic Party have you had a chance to read the Affordable Health Care Act bureauracy law yet? better known as "Obamacare" and tell us how this law is going to affect our small businesses tax wise less than 50 employees and have you figured out how we are going to pay for it yet and where that funding is going to come from?
-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Wed, Dec 12, 2012, at 4:25 PM
-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Wed, Dec 12, 2012, at 4:25 PM
He doesn't care as long as he get his so called free Obamacare.
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Wed, Dec 12, 2012, at 6:13 PM
-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Wed, Dec 12, 2012, at 8:14 PM
You need not worry, the bidders are not going to be "run off" by any regulations.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Dec 12, 2012, at 3:56 PM
Sure Common, they are just begging to hire some more unqualified people just to comply. There is a definite need to double the people holding aigns warning people not to walk under the scaffolds etc. etc.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Dec 12, 2012, at 9:18 PM
So what are the benefits to the people of city involving this? There has got to be an under-lying reason for pushing this, follow the money for answers perhaps.
Undocumented minority women that are residents of the city holding sighs may become more common. :)
-- Posted by Old John on Wed, Dec 12, 2012, at 9:30 PM
commonsensematters: You seem to be up to date with this Modern Day Democratic Party have you had a chance to read the Affordable Health Care Act bureauracy law yet? better known as "Obamacare" and tell us how this law is going to affect our small businesses tax wise less than 50 employees and have you figured out how we are going to pay for it yet and where that funding is going to come from?
-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Wed, Dec 12, 2012, at 4:25 PM
commonsensematters just checking to see if you got any answers yet to my questions?
-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Thu, Dec 13, 2012, at 5:52 AM
This is why state governments should be more in control than this federal government we have.
-- Posted by Dug on Wed, Dec 12, 2012, at 3:58 PM
This is a mayoral executive order affecting the city of st. louis. Nothing whatsoever to do with the federal government. Don't vote for Mayor Slay. Problem solved.
-- Posted by Spaniard on Thu, Dec 13, 2012, at 9:19 AM
This is a mayoral executive order affecting the city of st. louis. Nothing whatsoever to do with the federal government. Don't vote for Mayor Slay. Problem solved. -- Posted by Spaniard on Thu, Dec 13, 2012, at 9:19 AM
I agree. What the Mayor of St. Louis does will affect the city of St. Louis - positively or negatively. And people/industry can leave the city of St. Louis and move to the county or another state yet still remain US citizens.
WHen the federal government makes these decisions like Obamacare with forced purchase of a commercial product - insurance - people have no where to go to avoid it. Or as liberal would say there is no "choice".
-- Posted by Dug on Thu, Dec 13, 2012, at 12:17 PM
I suspect most of these city improvement contracts have federal money attached and the federal government already dictates much of what the mayor is proclaiming.
Who is hurt most with these type regulations are the minority group of small contractors unequipped to deal with all the legal mumbo gumbo, record keeping and hiring ability to comply. Reckon the mayor has big buddys and campaign contributers in big contracting companies?
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Dec 13, 2012, at 5:58 PM
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St. Louis wants to decide on gender, color and geographic lines who will be working on certain jobs.
More government interfence that prevents in many cases hiring the most qualified applicant.
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/351863/...
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"Five percent of labor hours are to be performed by women."
Hmmm. Is the Mayor saying he wants more women going into labour, or he wants their labours to last longer?
Possibly in conformance to suggestions made by Washington do you suppose?
SH,
If St. Louis would have been founded today we would have to name it after Marie Antoinette in the interest of fairness.
That's what we need is more regulation for business and then they ask themselves "where has all of the businesses gone" hell simple answer you ran them off or shut them down with all of these stupid uncalled for excessive regulations that we did not need. I will be the first to tell you like many small business owners will say, yes we do need regulations but for the past four years it has got out of hand. I met with a business today and they are preparing to lay off because of all of the uncertainly coming out of Washington and the business owner brought up the excessive regulation as well. "You got to have business before you have labor, without business there will be no labor".
"...simple answer you ran them off or shut them down with all of these stupid uncalled for excessive regulations..."
St. Louis and virtually all cities have had workforce compliance standards relating to minorities, women and residency.
Why should the city spend its construction dollars on out-of-state companies and workers and leave city based firms out of the running.
You need not worry, the bidders are not going to be "run off" by any regulations.
This is why state governments should be more in control than this federal government we have. Michigan is a perfect example. In the wake of the "right to work" fight in Michigan some interesting statistics came out.
In right to work states the average income is $7,000 MORE than forced-union states. Yet the liberals cry foul. To quote Obama in Michigan this week: "These so-called right-to-work laws, they don't have to do with economics, they have everything to do with politics. What they're really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money." A complete lie that got a big applause from his union audience.
If states want to have forced-unions in organized labor situations then let them have it - and industry will move elsewhere. I posted here a couple of years ago that unionized auto workers for GM/Chrysler/Ford make on average about $75-$85/hour FULLY loaded wages - wage, insurance, sick pay, vacation, bonuses. safety bonuses, everything included. Toyota/BMW, etc. that opened up numerous plants in the south pay around $25-$35/hour for the same jobs. Unions did destroy the American car companies. That along with incompetent executives that allowed this to happen.
Why should the city spend its construction dollars on out-of-state companies and workers and leave city based firms out of the running. -- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Dec 12, 2012, at 3:56 PM
Why should a business in the City of St. Louis limit itself to just St. Louis? Why shouldn't it go to other cities and bid as well that don't practice the discrimination that St. Louis does?
commonsensematters: You seem to be up to date with this Modern Day Democratic Party have you had a chance to read the Affordable Health Care Act bureauracy law yet? better known as "Obamacare" and tell us how this law is going to affect our small businesses tax wise less than 50 employees and have you figured out how we are going to pay for it yet and where that funding is going to come from?
-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Wed, Dec 12, 2012, at 4:25 PM
He doesn't care as long as he get his so called free Obamacare.
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You need not worry, the bidders are not going to be "run off" by any regulations.
-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, Dec 12, 2012, at 3:56 PM
Sure Common, they are just begging to hire some more unqualified people just to comply. There is a definite need to double the people holding aigns warning people not to walk under the scaffolds etc. etc.
So what are the benefits to the people of city involving this? There has got to be an under-lying reason for pushing this, follow the money for answers perhaps.
Undocumented minority women that are residents of the city holding sighs may become more common. :)
commonsensematters: You seem to be up to date with this Modern Day Democratic Party have you had a chance to read the Affordable Health Care Act bureauracy law yet? better known as "Obamacare" and tell us how this law is going to affect our small businesses tax wise less than 50 employees and have you figured out how we are going to pay for it yet and where that funding is going to come from?
-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Wed, Dec 12, 2012, at 4:25 PM
commonsensematters just checking to see if you got any answers yet to my questions?
This is why state governments should be more in control than this federal government we have.
-- Posted by Dug on Wed, Dec 12, 2012, at 3:58 PM
This is a mayoral executive order affecting the city of st. louis. Nothing whatsoever to do with the federal government. Don't vote for Mayor Slay. Problem solved.
This is a mayoral executive order affecting the city of st. louis. Nothing whatsoever to do with the federal government. Don't vote for Mayor Slay. Problem solved. -- Posted by Spaniard on Thu, Dec 13, 2012, at 9:19 AM
I agree. What the Mayor of St. Louis does will affect the city of St. Louis - positively or negatively. And people/industry can leave the city of St. Louis and move to the county or another state yet still remain US citizens.
WHen the federal government makes these decisions like Obamacare with forced purchase of a commercial product - insurance - people have no where to go to avoid it. Or as liberal would say there is no "choice".
I suspect most of these city improvement contracts have federal money attached and the federal government already dictates much of what the mayor is proclaiming.
Who is hurt most with these type regulations are the minority group of small contractors unequipped to deal with all the legal mumbo gumbo, record keeping and hiring ability to comply. Reckon the mayor has big buddys and campaign contributers in big contracting companies?