Ignorance gone to seed?

Posted by Old John on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 9:47 PM:

I didn't read all this as it seems to be one of those de ja- well one of those French things.

http://news.yahoo.com/panetta-us-sends-f...

I'm reminded of and this is akin to one of a cop's most dangerous situation, a domestic dispute.

Is it time to let them fight it out without American involvement?

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    Wag the dog.

    -- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 9:51 PM
  • Yep, we don't spend as much on our military as the next 16 largest militarys in the world combined to just sit on the sidelines.

    -- Posted by Nil on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 11:37 PM
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    Nil,

    Some of these Podunk countries have a military that reminds you of a small town. When they have a serious problem, they send both Police Cars.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 11:43 PM
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    "Ignorance gone to seed?"

    Reminds me of good old Derry Brownfield.

    He used to call here and ask Doreen for her opinion on stuff. He was always polite to me, but I always suspected he had a crush on my wife. :) He was always a gentleman though. Still miss that man.

    -- Posted by dchannes on Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 8:08 PM
  • dc, I'm busted! I can't help but like that phrase I first heard from Derry Brownfield!

    -- Posted by Old John on Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 8:12 PM
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    Lol...the "Common Sense Coalition" thing and all. Still makes me laugh, although with a tear at the corner of my eye. He was a goodun. We carry on as best we can without him.... As I've said before, he introduced me to Johnny Walker. (Thanks, Derry).

    -- Posted by dchannes on Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 10:26 PM
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    Thank you Riҫk. And glad you weren't banned for life. They erased some good posts of yours. That's unfortunate for the rest of us. Now:

    Speaking of "keeping the lid on the chili", one of Obama's latest Executive Orders is #13563 and it is a furthering of the implementation of the UN's Agenda 21 here in America.

    Agenda 21 is too complicated to go into here but interested persons can google the term and begin the journey.

    Basically it is the plan by the UN to completely control all human impact on the planet through the regulatory process via International Agreement.

    Here is some of the wording of EO 13563:

    " Sec. 2. Coordination of International Regulatory Cooperation. (a) The Regulatory Working Group (Working Group) established by Executive Order 12866 of September 30, 1993 (Regulatory Planning and Review), which was reaffirmed by Executive Order 13563, shall, as appropriate:

    (i) serve as a forum to discuss, coordinate, and develop a common understanding among agencies of U.S. Government positions and priorities with respect to:

    (A) international regulatory cooperation activities that are reasonably anticipated to lead to significant regulatory actions;

    (B) efforts across the Federal Government to support significant, cross-cutting international regulatory cooperation activities, such as the work of regulatory cooperation councils; and

    (C) the promotion of good regulatory practices internationally, as well as the promotion of U.S. regulatory approaches, as appropriate;"

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-offi...

    -- Posted by dchannes on Fri, Oct 12, 2012, at 12:01 PM
  • Rick, "He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk about the mission on the record."

    Yep, keeping the lid on the chili. I wonder why it can't be talked about and how many more missions are simmering.

    Maybe the Russians have a Harry Dexter White in Washington on the payroll.

    -- Posted by Old John on Fri, Oct 12, 2012, at 12:11 PM
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    Riҫk, for all practical purposes, America has already lost it's sovereignty by our WTO and UN agreements. That's why the government is busily bringing this nation into compliance. We are basically over a barrel due to our indebtedness. Our lands, work force and resources are the collateral. We have already been taken over by global governance and not a shot has been fired.

    My intentions are to make available the damning information for review by anyone who cares to know.

    This next Executive Order doesn't have a number for some reason, but it instructs agencies to take control of all resources, public and private, in order to further institute compliance to the agreements signed by our presidents. Not just Obama, but many presidents. If it comes to an uprising of the populace, they need to be able to control it by controlling all resources:

    Executive Order -- National Defense Resources Preparedness

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-offi...

    -- Posted by dchannes on Fri, Oct 12, 2012, at 12:42 PM
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    Even in peace time, an Agency Secretary can walk into a manufacturing plant and take it over. For the purpose of the Executive Order -- National Defense Resources Preparedness, the definition of Sec 801 "(j) "National defense" means programs for military and energy production or construction, military or critical infrastructure assistance to any foreign nation, homeland security, (*)stockpiling(*), space, and any directly related activity. Such term includes emergency preparedness activities conducted pursuant to title VI of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, 42 U.S.C. 5195 et seq., and critical infrastructure protection and restoration."

    Really? National defense means "stockpiling"? Stockpiling of what? That part is not spelled out. I can only assume the definition is wide open to interpretation by the Secretary of whatever agency that is doing the controlling.

    -- Posted by dchannes on Fri, Oct 12, 2012, at 12:58 PM
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    "Are these international or World Wide laws ?"

    Riҫk, The UN calls them "Conventions" and "Charters". The World Trade Organization calls them "Guidelines" and "Standards".

    You might as well call them the "laws". They must be followed by all member nations. And America is a member of both.

    -- Posted by dchannes on Fri, Oct 12, 2012, at 1:03 PM
  • dc, I take it that also gives government agencies authority to draft people into labor service to maintain military stockpile production.

    A percieved threat of a gas attack and governmnet can take over a factory, retool it to produce gas masks for the military and draft citizens into the labor force to operate the expanded plant.

    No need for private enterprise to bid on contracts willingly as in WWII.

    -- Posted by Old John on Fri, Oct 12, 2012, at 1:21 PM
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    I hope this is correctly attributed. I have not checked it. But I do not care if it was Romney's garbage collector, who was a Democratic expert here a week or so ago, it makes sense.

    "There are two ways to conquer & enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt." John Adams 1826

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Oct 12, 2012, at 1:36 PM
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    I do not believe any troops will be sent into America , everyone world wide knows all Americans have weapons and all Americans are crazy .

    -- Posted by Riҫk on Fri, Oct 12, 2012, at 1:21 PM

    Riҫk, I don't believe foreign troops will be necessary. At least not right away. But, what are UN troops called? "Peace Keepers". And we are "members". If we have an "uprising" of "crazy" civilians trying to obtain freedom or become un-peaceful, they will have to "quell the "insurgent rebellion", so to speak. That's one theory I have.

    Look, I don't see this happening next year or the year after. Before they trap the wild hogs, they have to finish building the trap. The "trap" is the framework of complete control that can be seen in executive orders referenced above. They are getting close to hanging the final gate on the pen I think.

    I agree with you, I think THEY think we are crazy. That's a plus for us. They just don't know HOW crazy we can get, so I believe they are having to take extra time to prepare for that. DHS and a few other agencies have ordered un-Godly amounts of ammo, which caught me attention. http://www.alt-market.com/articles/971-d... Because when screws are tightened down...well...when people get desperate, they do desperate things. If you get my drift.

    -- Posted by dchannes on Fri, Oct 12, 2012, at 2:38 PM
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    "dc, I take it that also gives government agencies authority to draft people into labor service to maintain military stockpile production."

    Old John, absolutely. That's what I get out of scanning the documents.

    Also, Riҫk was talking about foreign troops not coming into America. Then I remembered...we had Russian troops training in Colorado this spring. "Airborne troops from Russia and the United States would hold joint anti-terror drills in the U.S. state of Colorado between May 24 and 31," reports the Xinhua news agency, citing Russian Defense Ministry Col. Alexander Kucherenko. The story was also reported by Russian news outlet RIA Novosti.

    I get conflicting reports on the number of Russian troops.

    This report from Activist Post who are usually pretty good. I'd say 80% right:

    *Chinese Troops Reportedly Amassing Near US-Mexico Border*

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    Brandon Turbeville

    Activist Post

    If recent accounts coming from some in the alternative media are to be believed, then Operation Fast & Furious may soon give way to an even bigger story surrounding the U.S./Mexico border. Indeed, even the notorious Mexican drug cartels might find themselves taking a back seat.

    This is because claims are now being made suggesting the major presence of Chinese troops stationed inside Mexico, both along the U.S. border and the port areas.

    The first question, of course, is whether or not this information is accurate. If it is, the second question immediately becomes, "why?"

    Unfortunately, however, all the information we have currently comes from anonymous sources who have yet to be verified in terms of their reliability.

    The reports currently garnering the most attention are those coming from Steve Quayle of the Q-Files Radio Show who recently interviewed a cross-border trucker who claims to have actually seen a major Chinese military base inside Mexico.

    The trucker claims he was delivering a trailer load of food to a military camp 60 miles south of Laredo, Texas. As he was entering Mexico, he says he was escorted into the country by the Mexican Federal Police to protect the truck from hijackings and robbery.

    -- Posted by dchannes on Fri, Oct 12, 2012, at 3:13 PM
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    "I do not see it being a good deal for China in the long run , their troops are too far away from home."

    Riҫk, my guess would be that the DHS is feeding and supporting the Chinese military down in Mexico.

    "American Hunters are the Largest Army on Mother Earth . I don't see them giving anything away with-out a dammned good fight..."

    I agree, the spirit is willing probably. It's dang hard to shoot drones out of the shy with a rifle though. Personally, I'd like to have my own M1 Abrams. I hear they're rough on gas though.

    What I've seen is that when invaded, all the indigenous peoples can do is go guerilla. Invaders would have state of art firepower and support.

    I guess my point is that if they did come into country, they would have NATO/UN authority so it would all be "legal".

    -- Posted by dchannes on Fri, Oct 12, 2012, at 4:52 PM
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    Riҫk, let me clarify further. The only way I see foreign troops coming in country would under the guise of "suppressing an insurrection" and with the full support of the US government.

    Anyone can be called a terrorist these days. Anyone that opposed government theft of liberty or property would labeled "extremists" and therefore a threat to the nation. We've all been steeped in this jargon for the last...I don't know...15 years, have we not?

    -- Posted by dchannes on Fri, Oct 12, 2012, at 5:02 PM
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    It would not surprise me if Ft.Knox was empty right now ...

    -- Posted by Riҫk on Fri, Oct 12, 2012, at 6:20 PM

    I'm pretty sure it is. Or, it's filled with gold plated bars of tungsten.

    So it's probably more about what power the so called money can buy.

    -- Posted by dchannes on Fri, Oct 12, 2012, at 7:06 PM
  • Might be time again to post may all time favorite quote:

    "Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; the limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress." Frederick Douglass

    -- Posted by Old John on Fri, Oct 12, 2012, at 11:26 PM
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    Civil unrest begins?

    *Shot fired at Obama campaign office in Denver*

    DENVER (AP) -- Denver police are reviewing video footage from city surveillance cameras after a shot was fired through the window of President Barack Obama's campaign office.

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/U...

    -- Posted by dchannes on Sat, Oct 13, 2012, at 2:53 PM
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    I don't know why, but this just seemed like an appropriate place to post this.

    http://www.google.com/imgres?hl=en&sa=X&...

    Makes you proud doesn't it?

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Oct 13, 2012, at 5:07 PM
  • -- Posted by Reasoning on Sat, Oct 13, 2012, at 8:37 PM
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    I don't like the outfit Ann Romney is wearing but at least she doesn't like like a streetwalker in it.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sat, Oct 13, 2012, at 11:59 PM
  • Who was it griping about how much Sara Palens wardrobe cost?

    Wheels, That picture of Mrs. Obama has to be from the republican dirty tricks committee, everyone knows she shops at Target. :)

    -- Posted by Old John on Sun, Oct 14, 2012, at 12:16 AM
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    Old John,

    I have always said she looks like she shopped at Walmart. Target would be too high class for the way she dresses.

    Somebody sent me an e-mail with that picture and I checked Google, and sure enough there was somebody selling all kinds and sizes of those pictures. So I posted one of them, since I couldn't from the e-mail.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sun, Oct 14, 2012, at 1:32 AM
  • Speaking of class, a mental image of those with internet addiction discrder. They are sitting in a raggedy ole rocker recliners, laptops rested on their beer bellies which is adorned with a food stained white tee shirt, unmatched socks, with big toe sticking out of the hole and paisley or striped print boxers. On good days, boxers would be topped with shorts or pants, unzipped of course.

    -- Posted by mystify123 on Sun, Oct 14, 2012, at 6:17 AM
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    Duska

    Got any pictures to show us?

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Sun, Oct 14, 2012, at 9:30 AM

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