Speak Out: Tennessee's Democratic governor, Phil Bredesen, told the New York Times he feared the Obama-backed health system overhaul would be the "mother of all unfunded mandates.
Posted by lumbrgfktr on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 12:31 PM:
Wiffle,
And its a good point. These are the question people need to be asking about any new healthcare proposals...HOW DOES IT GET FUNDED.
Unfortunatly, those questions get lost in the typical blah, blah, rhetoric of the exreme Right wing. Death Panels, Skyrocketing costs, lack of choices, lack of access, etc. The reason why these are rhetoric is becasue they are already problems of the CURRENT system. So when people spout off about these things the real questions get ignored...
LIKE HOW IS IT GOING TO BE PAID FOR.
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The Weekly Standard. Now there is an unbiased publication. Their editor Bill Kristol is the only one on this planet who has been wrong more times than Dick (Tax Evader) Morris.
-- Posted by howdydoody on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 12:44 PM
"Unfortunately, the program in practice has been a colossal failure, expanding state bureaucracy and government control over the health care market and provider-patient dealings, while simultaneously driving up health insurance premia, increasing health care costs, and creating a chronic shortage of providers -- all at an annual price tag of over twice the originally-estimated $600 million.
"Massachusetts's attempt at health care reform has increased the number of insured residents by 443,000 (covering about 66% of those who previously lacked insurance). ... the program was hemorrhaging cash last fall ... (quite ironically) the only way to continue funding it was to drain money from the public hospitals and community clinics that had already been providing care, under the free care pool, to those who were now appropriating that funding in the form of insurance subsidies. ... dramatically reducing the number of providers available to see and treat patients, regardless of whether those patients have insurance or not -- a reinforcement of the fact that insurance, even when it is as universally prevalent as a government can make it, does not equal access to care.
"Far from reducing the cost of health insurance, Massachusetts's individual mandate has driven costs up at twice the average national rate."
-- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 1:37 PM
not exactly an unbias or non-partisan source go ahead drink freeper koolaid
"Jeff Emanuel is a columnist, combat journalist, and a contributor to conservative weblog RedState.com."
-- Posted by coke zero on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 1:48 PM
Ask how its going to be paid for and all you get is smoke and mirrors. Gov Bredesen has been trying to point this out. The Blue Dog Democrats are mostly from districts in more heavily Democratic West Tennessee. They have good reason to fear Nov 2010, the Day of Retribution.
Dream on in your fragile carefully constructed fairyland but be prepared for the coming reaction.
-- Posted by voyager on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 3:38 PM
Ask how its going to be paid for and all you get is smoke and mirrors. Gov Bredesen has been trying to point this out. The Blue Dog Democrats are mostly from districts in more heavily Democratic West Tennessee. They have good reason to fear Nov 2010, the Day of Retribution.
Dream on in your fragile carefully constructed fairyland but be prepared for the coming reaction.
-- Posted by voyager on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 3:38 PM
And that is the question peole need to keeping harping on, voyager. Who is going to pay for it.
Lets stop ignoring that what we have is perfect. Everybody knows that healthcare costs are going to skyrocket no matter if we have government healhtcare or not. There are already death panels in use, so they are not going to be somthing new with the government option.
And lets all ASSUME for a moment that the government proposal is perfect, everone will be cured and it will fix all our problems. That still leaves the most important question unanswered....WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR IT. frankly, I would like to see a government plan that works but not when it is funded by my grandchildren.
-- Posted by lumbrgfktr on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 3:49 PM
Why have health care costs been skyrocketing? Compared to other products and services percentages of increase, what are health care percentages?
List any, all, or maybe one or two government programs that have been efficent and cost effective or haven't cost more than proposed and originally promised?
The most efficient thing government can do is all too often just get out of the way. Won't happen... Politicians want to get re-elected, you know!
Example: Emerson bridge.
-- Posted by voyager on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 4:32 PM
Why have health care costs been skyrocketing? Compared to other products and services percentages of increase, what are health care percentages?
List any, all, or maybe one or two government programs that have been efficent and cost effective or haven't cost more than proposed and originally promised?
The most efficient thing government can do is all too often just get out of the way. Won't happen... Politicians want to get re-elected, you know!
Example: Emerson bridge.
-- Posted by voyager on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 4:32 PM
good points.
As far as why the cost have skyrocketing, has anybody in goverment the last 20 years actually launched and investigation? Why not? They will go after steroid use in baseball, but not spend a single day on investigation healthcare inflation?
-- Posted by lumbrgfktr on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 4:35 PM
Why is Lasik surgery cheaper now than it was ten years ago?
-- Posted by Lumpy on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 5:35 PM
Mister,
But isn't there competition in almost everything medical (for lack of a better word)? I look in the yellow pages, and there doesn't appear to be any lack of doctors. Yet, even routine check ups cost much, much more than they did ten years ago.
What gives?
-- Posted by Lumpy on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 5:49 PM
"Dream on in your fragile carefully constructed fairyland but be prepared for the coming reaction."
-- Posted by voyager on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 3:38 PM
What??? They're going to vote the Repubicons back in?? LOL!
Now you're dreaming!
-- Posted by Egotistical_Bigot on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 8:22 AM
Ego, the Republican party is the only slim hope we have, such as it is. Hope most assuredly will not come from the Democratic Party in any form whatever.
Common sense, logic, and reason certainly are required to understand any problem. You should be reading and studying Ludwig von Mises for an understanding of basic economics. The following website is highly recommended in the study of classical liberal economics of the Vienna School. I would be highly surprised if you are unfamiliar with it. Most intelligent and well educated people are.
Try it, Ego, we hope its possible you will expand your world and knowledge. The vast amounts of good material and related sources will help and aid you.
-- Posted by voyager on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 11:11 AM
Ego, the Republican party is the only slim hope we have, such as it is. Hope most assuredly will not come from the Democratic Party in any form whatever.
Common sense, logic, and reason certainly are required to understand any problem. You should be reading and studying Ludwig von Mises for an understanding of basic economics. The following website is highly recommended in the study of classical liberal economics of the Vienna School. I would be highly surprised if you are unfamiliar with it. Most intelligent and well educated people are.
Try it, Ego, we hope its possible you will expand your world and knowledge. The vast amounts of good material and related sources will help and aid you.
-- Posted by voyager on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 11:11 AM
Actually, the republican party offers no hope. Look at the last 8 years.
For hope, what we need is a fiscly conservative democratic president and republican president. It was the only time in my voting history that we had a surplus. It was amazing what was accomplished those years from a fiscal standpoint. Heck, there was even real wellfare reform.
-- Posted by lumbrgfktr on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 12:09 PM
oops.
meant republican congress.
-- Posted by lumbrgfktr on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 1:08 PM
oops.
meant republican congress.
-- Posted by lumbrgfktr on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 1:08 PM
Lumber,
I'm glad you clarified that. I for one, don't think I could stand two dumb ***** in the position of President at the same time.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 1:31 PM
"Wiffle, why do you waste your time arguing with the mentally/physically deficient person currently known as "egotistical bigot"?"
-- Posted by carternicholas on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 10:05 PM
Good question, it's obviously a losing battle.
Oh...btw, welcome to the forums. Always enjoy debating with new Jackson republicons.
-- Posted by Egotistical_Bigot on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 10:19 PM
"Oh...btw, I have lived in Cape Girardeau since the early 70's and think that both parties have miserably failed us.
That makes me neither a Jacksonian nor a "republicon".
Yeah right...your "socialist diatribe" comment gave you away. Sorry Charlie, same old players...same old game. You can hide behind that ficticious tea party guise all you want.
-- Posted by Egotistical_Bigot on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 11:10 PM
Ohh...and earlier you said,
"Wiffle, why do you waste your time arguing with the mentally/physically deficient person currently known as "egotistical bigot"?"
-- Posted by carternicholas on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 10:05 PM
Yet you've thrown yourself into the ring. I never can make heads or tails out of you folks.
-- Posted by Egotistical_Bigot on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 11:11 PM
Nor, Ego et.al., can you make heads or tails out of anything else.
Sometimes you are funny, but most of the time just downright boring. Your cheap little tin whistle is capable of playing only a single note.
-- Posted by voyager on Sat, Oct 17, 2009, at 10:22 AM
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Wiffle,
And its a good point. These are the question people need to be asking about any new healthcare proposals...HOW DOES IT GET FUNDED.
Unfortunatly, those questions get lost in the typical blah, blah, rhetoric of the exreme Right wing. Death Panels, Skyrocketing costs, lack of choices, lack of access, etc. The reason why these are rhetoric is becasue they are already problems of the CURRENT system. So when people spout off about these things the real questions get ignored...
LIKE HOW IS IT GOING TO BE PAID FOR.
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