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Forward!!!!
Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Tue, May 1, 2012, at 8:06 PM:

I have told you want is on the mind of Obama. Now he takes Mao and Lenin's lead. I'm sure the spin masters will try to turn this around but it is obvious this is Obama's plans for America.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...



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Oh BTW this is the replacement for hope and change. Wonder why they changed?

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Tue, May 1, 2012, at 10:19 PM

"Forward" is immensely preferable than the Romney slogan of "Backward!!!!!"

-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, May 2, 2012, at 5:04 AM

Common,

'Forward' to economic suicide is not preferable to me.

-- Posted by Robert* on Wed, May 2, 2012, at 5:12 AM

'Forward' to economic suicide is not preferable to me.

-- Posted by Robert* on Wed, May 2, 2012, at 5:12 AM

I believe it is said as an optimistic opportunity...to move forward; from this day forward; to look forward.

Believe in America...I always have believed in the citizens of... Do you think Romney thinks this is something new?

-- Posted by Theorist on Wed, May 2, 2012, at 6:06 AM

I didn't get this from Romney.

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Wed, May 2, 2012, at 7:08 AM

The problem is it is old.

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Wed, May 2, 2012, at 7:09 AM

For those who credit Obama with 'saving' GM, consider this:

http://www.naturalnews.com/033461_Genera...

NaturalNews) I'm sure you have heard of a little car company called General Motors. But did you know it was actually two companies, not one?

It's true. There is the "Old GM," the one that existed before the former No. 1 global car company declared bankruptcy in June 2009. And there is the "New GM," the one that exists now, after receiving about $60 billion in bailout funds, compliments of American and Canadian taxpayers.

Even though the models of automobiles, their logos and their body styles are identical, they were technically built by two separate companies. And GM is using that technicality to get out of honoring warranties on cars built before the company was given the dishonorable nickname of "Government Motors."

Donna Trusky, of Blakely, Pa., filed suit against GM June 29, alleging that her Impala, which she bought before the 2009 bankruptcy, had faulty rear spindle rods and caused her rear tires to wear out after just 6,000 miles. It was a problem inherent on Impalas from the 2007-2008 model years, and the company knew it.

Trusky's suit seeks class-action status and maintains that since Government Motors agreed to fix Impalas that serve as police vehicles, they should fix hers as well. GM doesn't see it that way.

The carmaker - which used to employ 395,000 workers in the U.S. and once billed itself as American as baseball, hot dogs and apple pie - has chosen instead to hide behind a court technicality.

Rather than do the right thing and fix the defect on Trusky's car and about 400,000 others, thus regaining some of its lost reputation, Government Motors maintains the current version of the company - the New GM - is not responsible for the faults, flaws and finances of the Old GM.

"New GM's warranty obligations for vehicles sold by Old GM are limited to the express terms and conditions in the Old GM written warranties on a going-forward basis," Benjamin Jeffers, a lawyer for GM, said. "New GM did not assume responsibility for Old GM's design choices, conduct, or alleged breaches of liability under the warranty."

Trusky, who I'm guessing is like most of us and isn't made of money, just sued the wrong company, the automaker says. She should have sued Old GM, even though, of course, it no longer exists.

"There are no specific factual allegations that New GM -- as opposed to Old GM -- did anything at all in relation to her vehicle," Jeffers wrote in court briefs. "Plaintiff here is trying to saddle new GM with the alleged liability and conduct of old GM."

No, "plaintiff here" is merely trying to get the company who made her defective car to live up to the warranty it offered when she bought it. Instead, GM - once flush with tax money, some of which was probably Trusky's - is choosing a legal sleight-of-hand to get out of making good on its promise.

How's that behavior for a former American icon? Does this make you more or less likely to buy a GM vehicle in the future?

Then again, maybe this legal stunt shouldn't surprise us. After all, much of what the government involves itself with generally turns out bad and is rarely on the level.

Sources:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/1...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/02/busine...

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/033461_Genera...

-- Posted by Robert* on Wed, May 2, 2012, at 9:26 AM

"Please advise when you heard Romney campaign on this slogan."

Backward by eliminating progress in health insurance.

Backward in changing valid financial regulations.

Backward in cancelling appropriate environmental guidelines.

Backward in reversing US foreign policy gains.

Etc. Etc.

-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, May 2, 2012, at 9:39 AM

If you have no rebuttal or defense, just try to the turn the discussion to Romney.

Nice try Common.

-- Posted by Old John on Wed, May 2, 2012, at 10:00 AM

Not all change is progress.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Wed, May 2, 2012, at 10:01 AM

I still think the it is note worthy the arrogance.

Rick, Forward has been used before. I'm surprised how blatantly open and under the nose of his supporters this president can be in flaunting his Marxist leanings.

-- Posted by Old John on Tue, May 1, 2012, at 11:51 AM

-- Posted by Old John on Wed, May 2, 2012, at 10:10 AM

"Backward by eliminating progress in health insurance."

BIG medicare cuts coming next year from Obamacare - after the election. You call that "forward" common? Big cuts to medicare?

"Backward in changing valid financial regulations." The "financial regulations" that caused the financial crisis were passed by Barney Frank and company. You call that "forward"?

"Backward in cancelling appropriate environmental guidelines."

Do you mean the loss of 20,000 jobs? Or the billions in lost taxpayer money to "green" buddies like campaign bundlers at Solyndra? If that is "forward" I'm all about backward. How about that Obama $2 billion taxpayer loan to brazil to help them produce more oil? That is "forward" for the environment?

"Backward in reversing US foreign policy gains."

If you mean the rise of China and Russia influence in the world then I'm all for "backward".

Etc. Etc.

-- Posted by Dug on Wed, May 2, 2012, at 10:17 AM

Whats funny is today Wikipedia had removed all information about forward being socialist. But good ol' Neal has the copies. My, what the left will do to cover up their dog piles.

http://www.boortz.com/weblogs/nealz-nuze...

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Wed, May 2, 2012, at 3:38 PM

Wikipedia is like a dictionary, it's someone's opinion and possibly the opinion of the majority....doesn't make it right or wrong, just popular.

-- Posted by InReply on Wed, May 2, 2012, at 8:50 PM

Somebody better tell Scott Walker of WI about all this "forward" socialist stuff, so they can change their state slogan. And good grief, he's a Republican. What will the Koch brothers think of him now? Forward...

http://www.forwardwi.com/

-- Posted by Username1 on Wed, May 2, 2012, at 10:57 PM

Uh a web address with ".com" is a commercial enterprise. Nothing to do with the governor.

However if you read a bit about "Forward Wisconsin" you would see it was established in 1984 - when Anthony Earl was governor - a democrat. Surprise!

-- Posted by Dug on Wed, May 2, 2012, at 11:11 PM

Uh Dug and Wheels, here's a couple of government sites - happier? LOL

http://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/forwardheal...

http://www.wisconsin.gov/state/core/wisc...

But from the "commercial" website, "Forward Wisconsin (forwardWI.com), is a 501(c)(3) not for profit corporation created in 1984 on the recommendation of the Governor's Strategic Development Commission. Forward Wisconsin markets the state to corporate executives, site selection consultants, business decision-makers and investors to raise awareness that Wisconsin is a great place to do business and to encourage investment in Wisconsin."

Notice the state MOTTO: FORWARD

Yeah, and it's been their motto for over 160 years and about 30 governors have been Republicans, Dug. How's that Wheels? Again, you are SO smart.

-- Posted by username1 on Thu, May 3, 2012, at 12:00 PM

-- Posted by Username1 on Thu, May 3, 2012, at 12:02 PM

Apparently, Wisconsin adopted the motto in 1851, well before the socialists began printing newspapers with that as their heading.

My lawn mower has a 'forward' setting on it, and a 'reverse' setting, as well, but that doesn't make it a socialist or a regressive mower.

Which is all well and good, but I don't see any reason to tar the current Republican leadership with it.

However, Mr. Obama should have recognized the connection between 'Forward' and Socialism, and perhaps 'vetted' it properly, given the accusations of Socialism he faces. He sure seems prone to setting himself up for accusations of socialist connections, such as was the case with his 'spread the wealth around' comment.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Thu, May 3, 2012, at 2:09 PM

Wheels, looks like SH managed and they work for me, so...

Also for all you smarties (if you can manage to use your computer, that is). Some government websites do end in .com.

USA.gov also links to: quasi-government agencies and websites created by public sector/private sector partnerships; state and local government sites (e.g., www.maryland.gov); and some government-sponsored websites that end in .com, .org, or .net (e.g., www.usps.com for the U.S. Postal Service and www.ncfy.com/clear.htm for the National Clearinghouses and Resource Centers on Families and Youth).

http://www.usa.gov/About/Linking-Policy....

-- Posted by Username1 on Thu, May 3, 2012, at 2:18 PM

Hey User I'm here awaiting your explaination. I saw yiur oist earlier and just passed over it as being of little interest. Good thing Doug was on his toes and caught your mistake. Mark this down, Government websites end with .gov :-)

-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, May 2, 2012, at 11:37 PM

Did you get it? SOME government websites end in .com Mark it down smarta$$!

-- Posted by Username1 on Thu, May 3, 2012, at 2:27 PM

Do you not know the difference between "government-sponsored" and "government"? Did you know that the USPS is now an independent *agent* of the US government?

Show me the ".com" site for the governor of Wisconsin. Or the governor of Missouri.

-- Posted by Dug on Thu, May 3, 2012, at 2:55 PM

.com does mean 'commercial', as opposed to .gov for official government sites and .mil for military sites. However, government agencies will sometimes register .com addresses to prevent confusion with official ones.

[State Name].com is often operated by the state's Tourism Board or Chamber of Commerce.

Back during the presidency of Mr. Clinton, there was a bit of stink when Whitehouse.com or Whitehouse.org was acquired by a soft-porn company. I think they eventually sold the domain, which was probably their intent when they bought it. I believe it is currently owned by a realty corporation.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Thu, May 3, 2012, at 3:06 PM

Shapley - I also remember the "whitehouse.com" web site. A number of teachers were unaware and typed it in on a computer for the class and - oh boy! - the images came up. Not pretty.

-- Posted by Dug on Thu, May 3, 2012, at 3:45 PM

These are the only two links that have not worked for me today... and both were posted by you. And you would have not heard from me had you not tried smartazzing me on another thread. Kapish?

-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, May 3, 2012, at 6:13 PM

So it's my fault you are a know-it-all and a smarta$$. Don't think so. And I've seen other's comment the same, so it's not just me. And you are a sore loser too.

-- Posted by Username1 on Thu, May 3, 2012, at 9:22 PM

I'm sure you do. You been everywhere and done everything and know all the answers. I don't know why anyone else bothers to comment.

-- Posted by username1 on Wed, May 2, 2012, at 11:23 PM

You mean this comment to you? Well Wheels, it looks like you wasted no time in proving my point again here today.

-- Posted by Username1 on Thu, May 3, 2012, at 9:33 PM

Of course you did. Like I said, the links worked for me and nice try of trying to get off topic when I pointed out that President Obama wasn't the only one using the Forward message in the states. It was really cute when you jumped on to support Dud, but as I proved, .com can also be a government website, know-it-all. Maybe you ought to check things out before you jump blow-hard.

If you're free to comment on everything and anything so am I, including your comments. Get used to it or not, I don't really care. I could do what another poster says she does and skip your crap, but I choose not to. I don't mind calling you on your blow and bluster when I feel like it. And talking about sick, I'm sick of you downgrading the President SINCE day one.

-- Posted by Username1 on Fri, May 4, 2012, at 7:35 AM

"...liberal schmucks downgrading America."

It is extremely difficult to comprehend who you are referring to. All of the liberals I know have the utmost respect and love for America. And I am certain that you will not find any "downgrading" of my country on any of my posts.

It may well be that you have fallen into that all too persistent conservative habit of presuming that beliefs of liberals must be the exact opposite of what conservatives purport to believe. It is clearly erroneous to claim that because conservatives praise America, liberals must be "downgrading" America. Nothing is further from the truth, but I also see where that might be challenging for some to grasp.

-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, May 4, 2012, at 8:27 AM

"...President Obama wasn't the only one using the Forward message in the states."

Furthermore, the golden female statue on the top of the Wisconsin state capital is known as Lady Forward. Obviously she will be supporting President Obama.

-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, May 4, 2012, at 8:31 AM

Can the first lady be considered liberal, I know she is proud of her country.

-- Posted by Old John on Fri, May 4, 2012, at 8:34 AM

The offical Forward campaign kicks off tomorrow on Carl Marx' birthday. ;~)

-- Posted by Old John on Fri, May 4, 2012, at 9:45 AM

"Furthermore, the golden female statue on the top of the Wisconsin state capital is known as Lady Forward. Obviously she will be supporting President Obama."

Her actual name is simply 'Wisconson', though she is said to symbolize the motto 'Forward' by her pointing gesture.

http://www.statecapitols.tigerleaf.com/w...

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Fri, May 4, 2012, at 9:51 AM

There is statue on the Capitol grounds called 'Forward', of whom the woman depicted is often called 'Lady Forward' or 'Miss Forward', but it is not the same as the statue on the top of the dome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Forwar...

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Fri, May 4, 2012, at 9:54 AM

"Furthermore, the golden female statue on the top of the Wisconsin state capital is known as Lady Forward. Obviously she will be supporting President Obama."

So, you at least do acknowledge that voter fraud is existent, and that non-living entities are responsible for some of the votes cast in favour of Democrats?

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Fri, May 4, 2012, at 9:56 AM

President Obama wasn't the only one using the Forward message in the states. It was really cute when you jumped on to support Dud, but as I proved, .com can also be a government website-- Posted by username1 on Fri, May 4, 2012, at 7:35 AM

You proved nothing. You were wrong. The "forwardwi.com" has nothing to do with the governor of wisconson. You said it did. Of course Obama isn't the only one - trucking companies, computer companies, blah blah blah, all use it. It's a word in the english language. The only PRESIDENT that uses the word "Forward" for a campaign slogan in a political election is Obama - get it? Just as many leftist governments have.

the golden female statue on the top of the Wisconsin state capital is known as Lady Forward. Obviously she will be supporting President Obama. -- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, May 4, 2012, at 8:31 AM

And I'm sure democrats have had the statue vote early and often in the past This is new - I thought just dead people, dogs and cats voted in elections for democrats. Now statues?

-- Posted by Dug on Fri, May 4, 2012, at 10:00 AM

Shap and Dug...

You will be happy to know your party is just as fraudulent (albeit in a more expensive manner) at voter registration...Did you hear about the 3000 invalid voter registrations in Sacramento paid for by the Republican party? Luckily someone blew the whistle....

-- Posted by Theorist on Fri, May 4, 2012, at 12:48 PM

Theorist, California democrats must be easily fooled. Just hand them a form and ask if they would like to register to vote and they sign up, some of them signed up several times not knowing they were registering as republican. :)

-- Posted by Old John on Fri, May 4, 2012, at 1:11 PM

"Did you hear about the 3000 invalid voter registrations in Sacramento paid for by the Republican party? Luckily someone blew the whistle...."

Heard about it, though I don't know how many are actually invalid. A private firm was hired to do the registration drive, and they appear to have been untrustworthy. I don't know at this point of the GOP was aware of the fraudulent registrations.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Fri, May 4, 2012, at 1:11 PM

Theo - you may find some fraud on the part of republicans. Voter fraud (registration, multiple voting, etc.) is by and large a democrat problem. No comparison.

Your approach is kinda like Spaniards. Spaniard likes to say "see, they're all the same" to disenfranchise voters when trying to make a decision. Nothing could be further from the truth. But he winces at the fact that deficits when republicans control congress are about 1/10 of the deficits when democrats control congress.

They are not all the same.

-- Posted by Dug on Fri, May 4, 2012, at 1:12 PM

One definition of forward to consider: behaving boldly in defiance of moral or social restraints.

Maybe Obama is telling us something.

-- Posted by InReply on Sat, May 5, 2012, at 12:50 AM

InReply, Seems to me Obama has been telling us all along what he intends and nobody's listening.

-- Posted by Old John on Sat, May 5, 2012, at 1:05 AM

Forwards, backwards; sideways left or right' up or down; right or wrong...

I will not vote for Obama under any circumstances or any reason whatsoever, now or ever. I think this man is a charlatan unworthy of the office he holds.

I will do everything within my power to help defeat him in November.

-- Posted by voyager on Sat, May 5, 2012, at 6:14 AM

And, Theorist,

That explains why I am in favor of requiring voter photo ID cards. One fraudulent registration is too many. I do not oppose it because democrats do it, or because republicans do it, but because voter fraud is wrong! Therefore, I expect you will join me in favoring voter IDs and prosecution of anyone who attempts to gain votes by fraud, deception, intimidation, or any other way!

-- Posted by Robert* on Sat, May 5, 2012, at 11:25 AM

Thankfully, we have not been attacked in such a manner on Obama's watch, unlike his predecessor. -- Posted by Spaniard on Fri, May 4, 2012, at 12:02 PM

Finally we agree. Under Bill Clinton 2 of our embassies were bombed, the first World Trade Center attack happened, Oklahoma City bombing, Khobar Towers bombing and the USS Cole bombing.

Thank God Bush went after them! No attacks since 9/11.

-- Posted by Dug on Sat, May 5, 2012, at 3:40 PM

I don't know at this point of the GOP was aware of the fraudulent registrations.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Fri, May 4, 2012, at 1:11 PM

**If you have read the reports, I suspect you do...

Theo - you may find some fraud on the part of republicans. Voter fraud (registration, multiple voting, etc.) is by and large a democrat problem. No comparison.

They are not all the same.

-- Posted by Dug on Fri, May 4, 2012, at 1:12 PM

**You are in denial...

Therefore, I expect you will join me in favoring voter IDs and prosecution of anyone who attempts to gain votes by fraud, deception, intimidation, or any other way!

-- Posted by Robert* on Sat, May 5, 2012, at 11:25 AM

**Guess what? I will go even further...I would like to stop caregivers voting multiple times for low functioning citizens...but I have no idea how to enforce that! It is voter fraud just the same...

-- Posted by Theorist on Sun, May 6, 2012, at 7:31 AM

Theorist and Wheels,

I can also agree with both of you.

-- Posted by Robert* on Sun, May 6, 2012, at 11:22 AM

"Biden tells NBC's "Meet the Press" that he's never been accused of not being able to lead on national security issues."

I disagree with that. Maybe nobody explained it to him, but I'm pretty sure he's been accused.

Maybe he should read the 'Weekly Standard' to find out what's going on...

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Sun, May 6, 2012, at 1:26 PM

I don't think the VP was elected to do any leading, just preside over the senate in rare cases.

-- Posted by Old John on Sun, May 6, 2012, at 1:31 PM

There has always been an abudance of labour outside the United States that was cheaper than United States labour. Even so, there was not a major ouflow of U.S. jobs to these nations.

Improvements in shipping probably has a lot to do with it - It used to be quite expensive to ship cheap products all the way from China. Not so, today.

But, U.S. labour used to be counted among the best - well trained or easily trainable, affordable, and competent. While this is still true in many regions, methinks the quality and affordability of U.S. labour has slipped overall, which is one of the primary reasons for the outflow of jobs. Unions carry the blame for some of that. Methinks the education system carries some of the blame, as well. Our younger generation, simply put, is coming out of the education system unprepared for the workplace.

It would not be a problem paying union wages for quality work. It makes no sense to pay union wages for mediocre work, or less.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Sun, May 6, 2012, at 1:36 PM

I don't know how that post got in this thread I was replying to the China thread when I started typing it...

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Sun, May 6, 2012, at 1:37 PM

**You are in denial...

You have no facts to back up your claims.

-- Posted by Dug on Sun, May 6, 2012, at 2:54 PM

All of the liberals I know have the utmost respect and love for America.

-- Posted by commonsensematters on Fri, May 4, 2012, at 8:27 AM

The bears love the people that feed them also. But if they quit the people become dinner. Liberals don't understand the concept of "teach a man to fish"

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Sun, May 6, 2012, at 7:12 PM

Just for starters...

**Indiana Secretary of State Charlie White

** Voters Outreach of America.Russell, an employee, says he got into a beef with the company over a pay dispute, and witnessed his bosses ripping up registration forms that had been filed by democrats.

"I'm pretty mad, upset. I'm still gonna vote," said Daren Gray. Russell doesn't know how many democratic registrations were tossed in the trash but guesses the number could be very high since Voters Outreach of America operated in Las Vegas for more than two months.

Voter Outreach of America is being paid by the National Republican Party and we ask how can people have faith in government if a national party is involved in trickery in depriving people the right to vote.

The Republican National Committee acknowledges that it hired Voters Outreach of America to register voters.

-- Posted by Theorist on Sun, May 6, 2012, at 7:13 PM

Wheel

I like that song!

"If the stuff hits the fan they say don't look at me."

"If you got troubles look at 43."

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Sun, May 6, 2012, at 7:16 PM

2008 - "Prosecutors in South Bend, Ind., filed charges Monday against four St. Joseph County Democratic officials and deputies as part of a multiple-felony case involving the alleged forging of Democratic presidential primary petitions in the 2008 election, which put then-candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton on the Indiana ballot."

2008 - "According to emails obtained by WikiLeaks, which is led by the embattled Julian Assange, there is evidence that Democrats stuffed ballot boxes in Pennsylvania and Ohio on election night."

2011 - " A Tunica County, Miss., jury found Lessadolla Sowers, who has been identified as a member of the executive committee of the county's NAACP chapter, guilty of 10 counts of fraudulently casting absentee ballots in the name of others. Sowers, The Daily Caller reported Friday, received a five-year prison term for each of the ten counts"

2011 - "A total of four Democratic officials and political operatives have now pleaded guilty to voter fraud-related felony charges in an alleged scheme to steal a New York election. The latest guilty pleas expose the ease with which political insiders can apparently manipulate the electoral system and throw an election their way, by the forging of signatures of unsuspecting voters that are then cast as real votes."The phrase they use is: 'making sure they vote the right way,'"

Want about 100 more? Easy...

-- Posted by Dug on Sun, May 6, 2012, at 8:42 PM

How about this? Democrats tried to set up a fake tea party on the ballot to split Republican votes.

http://rightwingnews.com/uncategorized/d...

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Sun, May 6, 2012, at 9:38 PM

Want about 100 more? Easy...

-- Posted by Dug on Sun, May 6, 2012, at 8:42 PM

You wanted facts, and I gave you a few...I could waste my time listing 100s more as well.

Point is, they ARE both the same, and they ARE both guilty. As soon as you admit it, perhaps you can do something to change it. Or if you love your party just the way it is, so be it.

-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, May 7, 2012, at 6:08 AM

Point is, they ARE both the same, and they ARE both guilty. As soon as you admit it, perhaps you can do something to change it. Or if you love your party just the way it is, so be it. -- Posted by Theorist on Mon, May 7, 2012, at 6:08 AM

As soon as you admit that democrats (and the democrat party and Eric Holder and Barack Obama and Robin Carnahan) are almost 100% against any form of voter verification then you'll be in the real world on this subject.

Again - you said you have no party affiliation and you will have to think who to vote for? You're a liberal democrat. Just admit it - the truth will set you free!

-- Posted by Dug on Mon, May 7, 2012, at 8:05 AM

"Voters Outreach of America.Russell, an employee, says he got into a beef with the company over a pay dispute, and witnessed his bosses ripping up registration forms that had been filed by democrats."

The fact that he 'got into a beef' with them should call his statements into question. Did he recover any of the ripped up forms? Does he have any evidence?

"Russell doesn't know how many democratic registrations were tossed in the trash but guesses the number could be very high since Voters Outreach of America operated in Las Vegas for more than two months."

He doesn't know how many, he has no evidence, and he was mad over a pay dispute. It appearns he might not have had any qualms about the alleged activity if they'd only paid him better.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, May 7, 2012, at 9:55 AM

Shapley, If you google you will find he did retrieve the registrations, and they do have proof. Even the party admits to the allegations, but they deny condoning such behavior. Nevertheless, it was done by someone's order for the Republican party....

-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, May 7, 2012, at 12:02 PM

"Russell was a disgruntled employee. He admits that if he had been paid, he probably wouldn't have talked. Even so, discrediting him doesn't explain the existence of the trashed registration forms."

No. But it leaves us wondering whether he may have trashed the forms himself. He left the FBI office without filing a formal complaint. Perhaps he didn't want to risk a charge of filing a false official complaint?

Far too many question marks on this case to develop an informed opinion right now...

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, May 7, 2012, at 12:19 PM

Fact...Russell has evidence.

Fact...Similar allegations have been made in Oregon (can't blame Russell here)

-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, May 7, 2012, at 2:00 PM

"Fact...Russell has evidence.

"Fact...Similar allegations have been made in Oregon"

No. The fact is that Russell has something he claims is evidence. The investigation will determine what he has.

The existence of similar allegations (note that they are simply 'allegations') could be a factor in making the charges.

I'm not prepared to make a rash assumption on what has happened here, or about who is behind it. I'm pointing out that there are alternative possibilities to Mr. Russell's claims. That is why there will be an investigation. You are free to believe what you will.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, May 7, 2012, at 2:20 PM

It turns out the Nevada and Oregon allegations were from a 2009 story:

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-250_162-6493...

I'm trying to find out if there is a repeat of the story, if the old sites have been Googleblasted, or what.

And the same story appears to have been run in 2004:

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2...

Notice that the KLAS-8 news reports never have a year associated with them, just a date (from October of some year).

http://www.8newsnow.com/Global/story.asp...

This story, from 2008, provides a sidebar that says it originally ran in 2004. The sidebar notes:

"Editor's Note: After publication, the author of this story, through further research on this case, discovered that the alleged voter fraud in Nevada detailed in this story occurred in 2004 and not 2008. The author further discovered that the ensuing investigation found no evidence of organized voter fraud. For these reasons, this story has been removed from the front page."

So, it seems, Mr. Russell had nothing.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, May 7, 2012, at 2:35 PM

Another interesting follow-up on the 2004 (then 2008) story:

VOTER FRAUD ALLEGATIONS: Judge denies request

Democratic Party loses bid to reopen voter registration

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2...

"The judge pointed to a disclaimer on registration forms that says if voters do not return registration forms themselves or personally mail them to the elections office, they risk not being registered."

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, May 7, 2012, at 3:04 PM

Aw Shap....I know the incident happened in 2004, I should have let you know, I just assumed you realized this.

The disclaimer saved them from legal prosecution, it does not mean that they were unethical and committing a type of voter fraud when they threw out all the registrations they had found marked Democrat :)

I guess the Sacramento registration form did not have the same disclaimer...wasn't it 3000 forms that time????

-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, May 7, 2012, at 3:11 PM

"I guess the Sacramento registration form did not have the same disclaimer...wasn't it 3000 forms that time????"

No actual number has been given. It is also noted that they are 'invalid', which is quite different from 'fraudulent'. The article (which you never seem to link) says only that there is a 'higher than usual number' of such invalid forms.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, May 7, 2012, at 3:17 PM

"Aw Shap....I know the incident happened in 2004, I should have let you know, I just assumed you realized this."

If you knew this, why did you suggest as factual that he _has_ evidence, when the lack of follow-up clearly suggests otherwise.

I've scoured the net for a report on the result of the investigation. Nothing. But the Democrats keep repeating the story as if it is recent. The Daily Kos reported it in 2004, 2008, and 2010. It appears to be resurfacing now.

As I said, it would be easier to kill it if the KLAS-8 site would just put a date and year on it.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, May 7, 2012, at 3:22 PM

Those facts are getting harder and harder to come by Theo?

-- Posted by Dug on Mon, May 7, 2012, at 3:38 PM

But the Democrats keep repeating the story as if it is recent.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, May 7,

Evidently it works. Ther is an educated liberal and was fooled by the lies. Beware of our children's teachers.

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Mon, May 7, 2012, at 5:56 PM

Rick

Lets play tag. Oh sorry. It may hurt the feelings of the fat kid that can't run. Don't wanna do that.

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Mon, May 7, 2012, at 7:01 PM

Note...that Shap is staying clear of the Sacramento story..."According to a report from Sacramento ABC affiliate News10 , a private, for-profit firm calling itself Momentum Political Services, hired by the local Republican Party "to boost GOP registration ranks in key battleground communities" has turned in more than 3,100 invalid voter registration cards during their recent drive." Latest reports are much higher...

No Dug, the facts are all there...Shap must have missed that you were giving dated examples as well.

No Willy, I have been deceived before, but I don't intend to be fooled.

-- Posted by Theorist on Mon, May 7, 2012, at 8:30 PM

Ther

You are being fooled by Obama now.

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Mon, May 7, 2012, at 10:00 PM

When ACORN did it the republican dirty tricks committee was the big evil for the way they outed the democrats for being behind it.

When the republicans are alledged by democrats of doing it, they are an even bigger evil.

-- Posted by Old John on Mon, May 7, 2012, at 11:09 PM

"Note...that Shap is staying clear of the Sacramento story..."According to a report from Sacramento ABC affiliate News10 , a private, for-profit firm calling itself Momentum Political Services, hired by the local Republican Party "to boost GOP registration ranks in key battleground communities" has turned in more than 3,100 invalid voter registration cards during their recent drive." Latest reports are much higher..."

I haven't steered clear of it, I've addressed it a couple of times.

As I noted, 'invalid' is not the same as 'fraudulent'. 'Invalid' can be the result of sloppiness, rather than conscious effort, and most likely is the case. There may be fraud involved but, having seen the efforts at reporting the Las Vegas story (which you brought up), the evidence seems to point to a lack of evidence and pre-emptive effort to paint the story in as negative a light as possible.

The preliminary indications are that the company is hiring workers 'off the street' and failing to properly train and supervise them. Reports seem to indicate that the 'supervisers' are not supervising at all, but merely signing off on the completed forms when they are brought in.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Tue, May 8, 2012, at 8:50 AM

I take it Theorist will not be happy unless I jump to the same conclusions that she has jumped to, based on the limited report.

I try not to jump on bandwagons.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Tue, May 8, 2012, at 8:52 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Wed, May 9, 2012, at 7:49 PM

The Republicans are correct. The headline:

"Suspicious voter registration forms found in 10 Florida counties

-- Posted by Username1 on Fri, Sep 28, 2012, at 2:13 PM

Backward in reversing US foreign policy gains.

Etc. Etc.

-- Posted by commonsensematters on Wed, May 2, 2012, at 9:39 AM

CSM would you please explain the US foreign policy gains we have made in Libya, Egpyt and our other embassies?

-- Posted by Mowrangler on Fri, Sep 28, 2012, at 2:24 PM

Oh dear, another headline:

Republican Staffers Charged With 36 Counts of Election Fraud

"It turns out that the Republican Party's obsession with voter fraud may be yet another case of projection. Four former staffers for resigned House Rep. Thaddeus McCotter have been charged with 36 counts of misdemeanor and felony election fraud. Yesterday one of those staffers, Lorianne O'Brady, pled not guilty to five misdemeanor counts of submitting fraudulent signatures on a ballot petition. O'Brady is the last of the four staffers to be arraigned; the other three, Don Yowchuang, Mary Melissa Turnbull, and Paul Seewald, were arraigned on similar charges on August 10th."

-- Posted by Username1 on Fri, Sep 28, 2012, at 3:43 PM

Rick: Do you want America to fail so you can say "I told you so". Seems like that's what you and some others are hoping for.

-- Posted by howdydoody on Fri, Sep 28, 2012, at 5:02 PM

It goes one and on, this time in California where Democratic voters said they had been re-registered as Republicans without their consent...

"...among the Democrats who said they were involuntarily re-registered as Republicans: two aides to retired U.S. Air Force Maj. Gen. Richard Roth, a Democrat locked in a tight race with Republican Assemblyman Jeff Miller for a state Senate sea."

-- Posted by Username1 on Sat, Sep 29, 2012, at 11:48 AM

I only have two reasons for voting for Gary Johnson:

1. Obama

2. Romney

-- Posted by Simon Jester on Sat, Sep 29, 2012, at 5:42 PM

When ACORN did it the republican dirty tricks committee was the big evil for the way they outed the democrats for being behind it.

When the republicans are alledged by democrats of doing it, they are an even bigger evil.

-- Posted by Old John on Mon, May 7, 2012, at 11:09 PM

Congressional report cleared ACORN of wrongdoing after the group forced to disband. Fox News had broadcasted deceptive tapes nearly around the clock for several days defaming ACORN.

-- Posted by Username1 on Sat, Sep 29, 2012, at 5:49 PM

http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.h...

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Sat, Sep 29, 2012, at 8:42 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/...

ACORN Pleads Guilty to Voter Registration Fraud in Nevada

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Sat, Sep 29, 2012, at 8:44 PM

Congressional report cleared ACORN of wrongdoing after the group forced to disband. Fox News had broadcasted deceptive tapes nearly around the clock for several days defaming ACORN.

-- Posted by username1 on Sat, Sep 29, 2012, at 5:49 PM

No, The justice department let them get away with it.

-- Posted by Old John on Sat, Sep 29, 2012, at 11:47 PM

OJ, I couldn't find one source to back YOUR opinion.

-- Posted by Username1 on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 1:14 AM

From Friday, another headline:

Voter registration fraud claims singe GOP

-- Posted by Username1 on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 1:26 AM

Username1, Maybe when we evolve into a wearable society you can find that source that eludes you is in my mind, til then keep growing your own mind in an attempt to catch up! :) :)

-- Posted by Old John on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 1:27 AM

I think I caught up OJ, that's why I said "YOUR opinion". :) :)

-- Posted by Username1 on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 1:54 AM

I think Mike Turzai, PA's Republican House Speaker, already answered the question of what the new voter IDs are about, when he said, on camera, that the new voter ID law would ensure Romney would carry the state.

-- Posted by Username1 on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 2:08 AM

Observations and Thoughts:

Do you continually shoot the messenger, out of hope that the message will not sink in?

Rottenacorn may be biased, but the list of convictions and indictments is factual. And I, at least, provided a link. You post comments that claim Acorn has been exhonerated, but provide nothing to back it up.

Are you suggesting that Fox News made up the story about Acorn pleading guilty in Nevada? Are you saying this does not put it at odds with your claim that they are cleared of wrongdoing?

"The foundation of debate is that validation of a point is obligated to be through the utilization of credible sources."

An odd statement from one who provided no resources, but simply shoots down the sources of those who do.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 9:53 AM

Observations and Thoughts:

Do you continually shoot the messenger, out of hope that the message will not sink in?

Rottenacorn may be biased, but the list of convictions and indictments is factual. And I, at least, provided a link. You post comments that claim Acorn has been exhonerated, but provide nothing to back it up.

Are you suggesting that Fox News made up the story about Acorn pleading guilty in Nevada? Are you saying this does not put it at odds with your claim that they are cleared of wrongdoing?

"The foundation of debate is that validation of a point is obligated to be through the utilization of credible sources."

An odd statement from one who provided no resources, but simply shoots down the sources of those who do.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 9:53 AM

Would a link from an ABC News affiliate, citing the Associate Press be a 'credible source'?

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/ACO...

Well, it's the same story as the Fox News link, but there you have it.

I rather gather you've chosen to believe what you want to believe, and thus you'll discredit any evidence to the contrary. Shooting the messenger is also a tired tactic, but one that is becoming increasing popular with 'the left'. When the message is damning, discredit the source. I can't help but notice that you did not bother to comment on the content...

The Congressional report does not deny that ACORN fraudulently registered voters, it merely says it could not find evidence of the voters 'showing up at the polls on election.

http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld...

But, I suppose, you'll tell us the Seattle Times is now not a credible source...

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 10:07 AM

"Do you just incessantly troll Google desperately trying for 'hits' on any articles that might support your opinion?"

No. But I do try to support my recollections with links to support them. When I don't, I will usually identify my lack of research with a disclaimer such as 'it seems to me' or 'my best recollection is'. That generally signifies that I've not had time to support my ever-weakening memory with a link. What's your excuse?

I recalled that there were a number of indictments and convictions involving ACORN, so I Googled to support my recollection. Low and Behold, there was. Since you did not support your claim that ACORN was exhonerated with any link, I merely challenged your undocumented claim with contrary data. Rather than support you claim, you merely chose to challenge my sources. That's rather weak.

So, I did your homework for you, and looked up a link to your claim on the Congressional Report. A report commissioned by John Conyer and Barney Frank, both Democrats, which did not exhonerate ACORN of the charges, to which they pleaded guilty in several cases, but rather sought to dismiss the claim that the fraudulently-registered voters were voting.

One has to wonder if it is worth the taxpayers money to pay organizations to register voters who don't vote anyway, eligible or not, but Mr. Conyers and Mr. Frank apparently weren't concerned about that.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 10:18 AM

"As Bush's policies failed you attributed that fiasco to Democrats in Congress."

That's because they failed only after the Democrats took control of Congress. A fact Mr. Clinton leaves out of his scorecard. Republican presidents, by and large, have suffered under Democrat congresses. Mr. Clinton had the benefit of a Republican Congress, and the economy expanded. Mr. Bush, too, had the benefit of a Republican Congress, and the economy continued its expansion after a slight falter (which began before he took office) - right up until the Democrats regained control.

Mr. Clinton, too, ignores the fact of Mr. Obama's spending increases and the harm his payroll tax cut has done to the deficit. I notice that you, also, chose not to comment on that. You just keep posting Mr. Clinton's speech (cutting and pasting the full speech this time, instead of the same old link).

Mr. Clinton was very selective in his facts. That is the nature of politics and politicians.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 2:16 PM

I know enough about the Affordable Care Act to understand that there is far more positive than negative. -- Posted by Observations and Thoughts on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 5:38 PM

Wrong. Just more democrat talking points. The 10 REVISED cost of this debacle is close to $1.78 TRILLION. Much more negative than "positive" when Obama's deficits will hit nearly $22 TRILLION if he's reelected.

You keep regurgitating the same democrat talking points and ignoring facts. Spending $27 BILLION in taxpayer money to save a few autoworkers jobs is not good policy. If you spend $7 TRILLION next year you could pay everyone to stay at home - but our country would be broke and in 3rd world status. I'm sure to you that scenario would be "Forward" - more debt, more deficits, more union payoffs.

-- Posted by Dug on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 5:49 PM

My health insurance premiums have went down -- Posted by Observations and Thoughts on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 6:22 PM

Good for you because a study just released said that Obama's promise of lowering health care by $2,400 per family each year has failed. Since Obama has been in office health care costs have RISEN $3,000 per family - not gone down $2,400.

So either you are lucky - that's not a "plan" - or you are wrong. Take your pick. The rest of us, according to studies and facts, are paying much more and saving none.

-- Posted by Dug on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 6:39 PM

There is not one iota of correct data in your statement. For example, in excess of one million jobs were saved across the Country in the auto industry-- Posted by Observations and Thoughts on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 6:37 PM

Where to begin with this pack of "mistruths". First, over 100,000 jobs were lost in dealerships that Obama had closed. That is how many union jobs are in the GM and Chrysler companies combined. The story and facts: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/3...

Second - regarding debt here's a chart from Wikipedia that shows what happens when democrats control congress. Pretty good visual. Notice the giant "steps" when democrats control congress:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Pub...

And for the record - Obama vs. Bush deficits and forecasts (government provided) in an article from the United Kingdom:

"At the end of 2008, US debt was $9.9 trillion, OR 69.7 PER CENT of GDP, and the ballooning deficit was $683 billion. Since then, all the key indicators have worsened markedly. By the end of this year, gross debt is forecast to reach $16.3 trillion (the number to which Letterman was alluding), MORE THAN 100 PERCENT OF GDP, or a rise of TWO THIRDS UNDER OBAMA. The annual deficit is close to $1.5 trillion, 10 per cent of GDP. Worse still, according to official forecasts, US debt is on course to hit $20 trillion by 2016."

If you can't understand forecasts I can't help you. I'm not surprised - you, like your president, have comprehension issues when it comes to understanding the impact of your decisions. A typical, inexperienced liberal democrat.

-- Posted by Dug on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 6:49 PM

"Which is it?"

It's both. The President enacted the Stimulus Bill with the approval of a Democrat-Controlled COntrolled Congress. No Republicans voted for the measure.

"Apparently you are still exploiting selective cut and paste in order to continue the rampage against the President and the Republican's continual revisions to history to confirm to far right opinion."

Nope, no cut and paste on my part. I provide links when I copy the content of others. I do research and support my claims.

You, on the other hand, simply challenge those claims with specious claims that they are false, unsupported by evidence. You've posted Mr. Clinton's speech and the link to it numerous times, as if quoting the Bible and calling definitive.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 7:57 PM

"I think that I would rather trust President Clinton's knowledge of 'Facts' than those posted on this site and on other far right sites that continue to convey allusion. "

Of course you would. You have your facts, whether they are true or not, and you won't permit nasty things like reality intrude.

Do a little research. Look up the payroll tax cuts. Then look up historical federal tax receipts. You'll see that I'm telling the truth.

You might also look up a reasonable assesment of what caused the failure. I'll give you a hint: Loaning money to people who buy houses they can't afford at a higher value than the house is worth had a lot to do with that. Then look up who favoured promoting that, and who favoured fixing it. Yes, the Republicans failed to fix it, just as the Democrats have yet to fix it now, but the Republicans at least made the attempt. Reform was stalled in the Senate. You might want to look into which junior Senator from Illinois opposed any effort to Raines in the excesses (another hint there).

Mr. Clinton is not a bastion of truth. He was impeached for lying, you may recall. Odd, then, that you're so willing to take his word for things.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 8:08 PM

"And how many trips out of the Country have he or top members of his administration made in the last four years?"

He just returned from one this Summer. You must have missed it.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/01/world/afri...

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 8:12 PM

'I am sure that you can find a treatise by one of the Limbaugh Brothers or their media kin that you can cut and paste here."

Again with the accusations that my posts are not original. You, who cut-and-pasted a whole speech, and have provided no evidence to support your 'facts' or your accusations except one political speech, appear to be coming unhinged.

You're shooting the messenger again because you don't like the message. If my facts are wrong, prove them to be so. But you know you can't. So you make baseless accusations that I lack originality and truth. So sad.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 8:16 PM

"There is not one iota of correct data in your statement. For example, in excess of one million jobs were saved across the Country in the auto industry--"

How did he 'save'the auto industry? First of all, Chrysler and General Motors are not the entire auto industry, but they are the only ones he bailed out. Only two U.S. auto manufacturers went bankrupt, and there were the ones that Mr. Obama bailed out. Meanwhile, most of the jobs created in the auto indusrty have been created in the companies that he did not bail out.

So where are these new jobs? Volkswagon opened a new plant in Chattanooga, TN. Kia expanded their plant in West Point, Georgia, and added a third shift.

GM has added about 9,000 manufacturing jobs, offsetting some of their losses, but that is not enough to make up for the dealership jobs they cut in the restructuring.

Honda, Toyota (which the Obama Administration demonized over the unintential acceleration issue, only to find nothing wrong), BMW, Nissan, and Mercedes are all adding workers. I'm not sure how Mr. Obama saved them.

http://voices.yahoo.com/auto-industry-cr...

Ford, which did not accept any federal assistance, also added 7,000 workers. I don't see Mr. Obama's hand in that, either.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/10/news/com...

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 8:35 PM

Ford, which did not accept any federal assistance, also added 7,000 workers. I don't see Mr. Obama's hand in that, either-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 8:35 PM

And more importantly I don't see the $27 Billion in debt assigned to Ford as well. We lost that money plain and simple. Of course we don't have a spending problem, we have a revenue problem - sarcasm.

-- Posted by Dug on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 8:43 PM

The Wall Street Journal says "Obama's biggest opponent in this election is the truth".

One thing I can say is Mormons are honest and have high integrity. Obama on the other hand is a pathological liar.

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 8:50 PM

-- Posted by Observations and Thoughts on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 10:03 PM

I think it isn't trust as much as they don't pay attention.

Rick I can say you are not a right winger. You supported Obama last time and found out he pulled the wool over your eyes. It's a shame other don't see the problem.

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 10:29 PM

"With both presidents facing tight re-election fights, Venezuela's Hugo Chavez gave a surprise endorsement to Barack Obama on Sunday - and said the U.S. leader no doubt felt the same."

That our man!

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 10:32 PM

And you believe and trust Chavez.

Chavez looks out for Chavez, but I bet he thanks you for playing. LOL

-- Posted by Username1 on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 11:16 PM

You are welcome here Observations and Thoughts...hope you hang around for a long time. I like reading what you have to say and the good fight you have waged against the "boys club". They get caught up in their egos and don't like for anyone to call them on it. They like to gang up to silence anyone who opposes what they preach. Again, keep it up, the silent majority are getting a kick out it.

-- Posted by Username1 on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 11:26 PM

"I never listened to Bill Clinton's Speech, I did not read it before or after his speech, and I am sure not going to waste my time reading it here.

I had enought of that lying POS of a human during his term in office. He cheated on his wife, he lyed under oath and he played Americans for fools.

You may have him, we don't want him."

-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 9:45 PM

" That is a Lie. Karl Rove wrote that article and everyone knows the bastion of integrity he is. Not!

-- Posted by Observations and Thoughts on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 10:25 PM

Don't care who said it.... they were spot on the truth.

-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 10:28 PM

Let me see if I have this straight, you only can be a despicable cheater if you are a Democrat, Republicans get a pass!

-- Posted by ssoutheast on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 5:57 AM

Well, I presented the Truth, and all O & T can do is cite it as tired rhetoric. We can see here part of the 47% that will vote for Mr. Obama "no matter what".

And, of course, the obligatory dig against Mr. Bush is tossed in for good measure. Same tired rhetoric...

Methinks the shelf life on this thread has been exceeded.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 8:02 AM

At least Dug finally conceded to his lineage, though yours is evident from your drivel it may be time for you to come out of the closet.-- Posted by Observations and Thoughts on Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 11:50 PM

Respect is earned and Dug certainly has not earned mine. -- Posted by Observations and Thoughts on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 4:52 AM

And O&T has come full circle. I didn't even read most of your Ed Schultz/Nancy Pelosi drivel. I did pick up on a couple of points here. I'll cut to the chase.

Liberals hate it when you quote Obama directly. You are not allowed to put direct quotes from Obama - they must be interpreted by MSNBC, The View, the Huffington Post, or the WH spokespeople. So when you post DIRECT quotes they get furious and drop into the name calling. It is all so, so predictable.

If you are on here for "respect" O&T I'd say your lacking that in your personal life. I neither seek it or need it from here and have tremendous respect in my community and family. Your affirmation of disrespect for me is worth as much as your respect for me - nothing. Now for the juicy part. Take your blood pressure medicine O&T (and any other handles you post on here):

"I will cut the deficit in half in my first term" - when Bush left office our debt to GDP ratio was about 69%. Under Obama it is now 101.5%

"If my energy plan is adopted utility rates will necessarily skyrocket".

"If I don't turn this around in the first 3 years I'll be a one term president".

"I will close Gitmo in the first year as president".

"Although I don't know the facts, the Cambridge police acted stupidly".

"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."

"No one is more committed to manned space flight than I am........" - then he cut NASA funding dramatically. Now we rely on the Russians for manned space travel.

"How many people are getting insurance through their jobs right now? Raise your hands. All right...your employer...would see premiums fall by as much as 3,000 percent, which means they could give you a raise."

"There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born." Obama was born in '61. The Selma march occured in '65. This isn't a slight mistake, it's a downright lie.

Obama told a Portland crowd that Iran doesn't "pose a serious threat to us"--cluelessly arguing that "tiny countries" with small defense budgets can't do us harm-- and then promptly flip-flopped the next day, claiming, "I've made it clear for years that the threat from Iran is grave."

"Hold on one second, sweetie, we're going to do - we'll do a press avail." - to a female reporter for ABC's Detroit affiliate who asked about his plan to help American autoworkers

Obama's energy secretary Steven Chu said this: "Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe."

These are not mis-quotes. They are true quotes and very telling about this narcissist - look up the word, it is Obama to a "T". The fact that you support him is all I need to know. If you support someone that wants higher energy prices, disrespects law enforcement, disrespects women, is clueless on foreign affairs and is running up debts with NO concern - then vote for him. Spaniard thinks he should be impeached but will vote for him as well. Have at it!

Now spin these quotes over the next hour and I'll check back.

-- Posted by Dug on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 9:15 AM

"Just because you regurgitate baseless derogatory does not make it true."

I've noticed that, and yet you continue to do so. Is this some sort of obsession of yours?

"Your love of W. must be hard to sustain considering his failures on all fronts."

I wouldn't call it 'love'. Respect would be more like it. Is your love of Mr. Obama not equally hard to sustain considering his failures on all fronts?

"Methinks the shelf life of methinks is past."

No longer able to refute the truth of my statements, you begin attacking the language, eh?

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 10:47 AM

"lamentable statements of the last Republican Administration" -- Posted by Observations and Thoughts on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 10:41 AM

Sorry - the "it's Bush's fault" worked in 2008. It won't in 2012. When do you expect your "man" to stand on his record? Never.

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The majority of the Country does not follow the Pied Piper with the Trunk.-- Posted by Observations and Thoughts on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 10:41 AM

No - they follow Obama's own words forever enshrined above. Don't you just hate that? Funny you couldn't spin those statements. Obama clearly is for higher energy prices, disrespects women and law enforcement, is creating unsustainable debt and you support him - not me. Clearly it upsets you to get called on your beliefs. YOU are for higher gas and energy prices. YOU disrespect women and law enforcement. YOU don't mind massive debt that will ruin this country. Own it.

=======================================

Again with the childish name calling. I expect that from a far-left liberal like yourself and it doesn't faze me. Keep it up! It so reminds me of lumbrg. Are you here lumbrg???

=======================================

"That is sad, very sad." - don't be sad. You're hilarious!

-- Posted by Dug on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 10:51 AM

No longer able to refute the truth of my statements, you begin attacking the language, eh? -- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 10:47 AM

Yes - O&T (or whoever they are) is out of air and ideas and resorts to this. We've seen this liberal mental attitude over and over. Post Obama lines and ask him to respond and all he does is personally attack. That's OK - everyone reads what he says.

-- Posted by Dug on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 10:53 AM

"...virtually everything has already been refuted many times over,"

Actually, no. The challenge to refute them has been ignored many times over, which they regard as the same as refuting it.

Have you looked up the payroll tax cut? Have you looked up the historical federal revenue amounts? I'm sure you haven't, you would rather revel in your ignorance than stand the possibility that everything you think you know is wrong.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 11:26 AM

"When you learn to instigate debate with demonstrable points supported by unimpeachable sources only then will you be worthy of consideration."

I should point out that your only unimpeachable source was impeached...

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 11:33 AM

"You have been refuted; you just endure to lay full accountability on the President while refusing to acknowledge the culpability of a Republican party that has made defeating Barak Obama a higher priority than safeguarding the Country."

Actually, I laid the fault on the Congress. However, the question laid before us today is whether or not Mr. Obama should be retained as President, and thus the focus is on the President, and not on Congress.

If the best reasoning you can provide for re-electing the President is that it's not his fault, then you haven't much of an argument.

"Further you blamed Congress for the failures of the Bush Administration but lay no accountability on Congress now."

I blamed Congress for the things Congress did, or failed to do. I blamed and credited Mr. Bush for his actions. Spending is the authority of Congress. The Democrats, when they took control of the Congress, override Bush vetos, failed to pass budgets, and withheld FY2009 spending bills until Mr. Bush was out of office. That much is not debatable, it is fact.

After Mr. Bush left office, they passed the Omnibus Spending Bill of FY2009, which was signed by Mr. Obama, and the Stimulus Bill of 2009, also signed by Mr. Obama. That bill both cut payroll taxes and increased spending. Yet, when those 'fact-checkers' cite Mr. Obama's record, they claim FY2009 was President Bush's, ignoring the record.

"Deadlock is the main problem and that is incontrovertibly being sponsored by Republicans. "

Deadlock is being maintained in the Senate by Mr. Reid. Congress has passed a budget, the Senate has not. Republicans can't hold up a budget - budgets require a simple majority and cannot be filibustered.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 11:58 AM

Millions of voters getting ready for the biggest turnout in voter history. "the people" are getting ready". The stage is set. The debate is about ready and you can bet President Obama is ready. He is going to pull out a can lf "whipask" to use on Romney. No just for the first debate but for all of them. "the people" will get what they want. I say bring it on. Obanma will be stepping on romney's neck by the end of debate 1. Repubs, get your excuses ready

-- Posted by kcknown on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 12:03 PM

Dung, I do not play the games that you continuously try to prod your opposition into. -- Posted by Observations and Thoughts on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 11:27 AM

No need to "prod" you - you self-destruct on your own. Read your post above - "I do not play" - you're playing with yourself. Too funny.

-- Posted by Dug on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 12:18 PM

"you will also need some KY and Preparation H, now each of you focus on a mental image of your favorite Republican" and "but you all are aware why this group would need the KY and Prep H together."-- Posted by Observations and Thoughts on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 11:27 AM

I'm also surprised that as a far-left liberal you post so much homophobic material. Seek help.

-- Posted by Dug on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 12:20 PM

"...your homework is to look up his current favorability rating."

I'm not in your classroom. What has favourability to do with the fact that he's an admitted liar?

"Clinton is an unusually good liar"- Bob Kerry, 1996 (that was spoken in praise of him, by the way).

"I know that my public comments and my silence about this matter gave a false impression. I misled people, including even my wife. I deeply regret that." - Bill Clinton -

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 12:32 PM

shap, why are you repeating old bill clinton quotes?

-- Posted by kcknown on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 1:41 PM

I'd take bill clinton back over the 2 mainstream choices we have now.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 1:43 PM

"shap, why are you repeating old bill clinton quotes?"

Because O & T has used Bill Clinton as his/her 'unimpeachable' source.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 2:09 PM

"But it is OK when you continuously request others to do research?"

Note the word 'request'.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 2:10 PM

"It has everything to do with the fact that you attempted to and continue to depreciate Bill Clinton's remarks."

The only remarks of his I've directly challenged was the figures on the auto industry, which I supported with a link.

What I have challenged is your notion that the impeached Mr. Clinton is an "unimpeachable" source for data. His speech being the only source of data you've cited, the rest being based on your 'acuity and personal experience'.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 2:14 PM

"Bill Clinton's insight into this political jungle is respected and trusted by many more persons than it is not."

Bernie Madoff's insight into the financial jungle was respected and trusted by many more persons than not.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 2:18 PM

O & T, You stirred up a mess of hornets with your remarks. I like to watch them swarm and a few are even flying into walls. They deny that they're bothered, but can't help but respond and everybody knows it. Too funny.

-- Posted by Username1 on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 3:15 PM

ignore the fact that the primary Republican agenda since Obama took office has been to attempt to deny the President any success which stymied recovery, -- Posted by Observations and Thoughts on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 12:17 PM

More hot air. Of course the Republicans caused Obama to say:

"I will cut the deficit in half in my first term" - when Bush left office our debt to GDP ratio was about 69%. Under Obama it is now 101.5%

"If my energy plan is adopted utility rates will necessarily skyrocket".

"If I don't turn this around in the first 3 years I'll be a one term president".

"I will close Gitmo in the first year as president".

"Although I don't know the facts, the Cambridge police acted stupidly".

"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it."

"No one is more committed to manned space flight than I am........" - then he cut NASA funding dramatically. Now we rely on the Russians for manned space travel.

Again, Obama's own actions and words you blame on Republicans.

It is clear you have issues with your Preparation H and KY comments. You have serious homophobic issues. Again - seek help. Those were your comments- not mine.

-- Posted by Dug on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 3:21 PM

O & T, You stirred up a mess of hornets with your remarks. I like to watch them swarm and a few are even flying into walls. -- Posted by username1 on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 3:15 PM

No pain here. This is too easy. O&T is foaming at the mouth.

And you could only "watch them swarm" - dealing with a homophobic, lying OWS anarchist is clearly intellectually over your head - but easy for me to deal with.

-- Posted by Dug on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 3:24 PM

"You don't just request, you deride others for not responding."

No. I deride you for challenging my factual and document statements with unsupported retorts and false claims of plagiarism.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 3:24 PM

Sorry, that should have read 'documented' statements.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 3:26 PM

"The word "impeachable" and in this case "unimpeachable" originated from Conandoleezza herself."

Not so. I pointed out that Bill Clinton was 'impeached'. But I used 'credible' in reference to sources. You stated that debate needed to be supported by 'unimpeachable' sources. So I felt compelled to remind you that your 'unimpeachable' source had been impeached.

I thought it an odd choice of words on your part, given the reality.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 3:50 PM

"His articulate portrait of events delivered virtually the full answer to the fake question for many of us here."

In other words, you used it as a source of data, which is exactly what I said. You state it answered the question that was asked of you, and now you say you didn't use it to authenticate or validate. I would ask 'which is it', but the posts prior, along with you previous reference to K-Y Jelly and so forth, indicate to me that this thread has gone way beyond its shelf life.

Have fun with it. Methinks this thread can go no farther 'forward'...

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 4:21 PM

You probably should go ahead and tell your wife before she reads your post, but she probably has suspected for a while your penchant for men. Have you noticed how she has always included you in the girl talk, or do you play dress up in her clothes only when she is not at home?-- Posted by Observations and Thoughts on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 4:04 PM

More deep homophobic stuff. Posting those comments as if people in the LBGT community are deviant. Using their activities to trash other people? Now you're hating against the LGBT community and kcknown/username1 are with you - quite frankly your comments are offensive as many of us have family members that would be in that community.

You struggle with the issues and Obama's own words and resort to trashing an entire community. Not sad, just sick.

Me'Lange, Theorist, Spaniard - you agree with these tactics? You've supported O&T so far. The silence is unbelievable...

-- Posted by Dug on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 5:10 PM

Bigotry is alive and well it seems.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 5:35 PM

There is nothing 'funny' about your slur regarding gay persons either, this is 2012 fix your vocabulary. -- Posted by Observations and Thoughts on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 6:23 PM

"you will also need some KY and Preparation H, now each of you focus on a mental image of your favorite Republican" and "but you all are aware why this group would need the KY and Prep H together."-- Posted by Observations and Thoughts on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 11:27 AM

More anti-gay slurs. Not surprised - an Obama supporter who doesn't walk the talk - homophobic much?

-- Posted by Dug on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 6:28 PM

Oh, Boy...too bad this isn't face to face.

-- Posted by dchannes on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 6:31 PM

Oh by the way - it's the economy stupid.

-- Posted by Dug on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 6:41 PM

Forget to put on your big boy pants again? Did you catch the drift there? Hint that is why your left leg is wet.

-- Posted by Observations and Thoughts on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 4:52 AM

So you are just a punk kid that still needs a teet to get by in this world? If I were a Democrat I would reconsider getting on the same boat with you.

I can see you would sell your own mother for a free ride but he good thing is I got to live in the good days when you could make a buck and enjoy it. You get to pay for this mess Obama made and I will retire and collect YOUR money.

********************************************************************

There is nothing 'funny' about your slur regarding gay persons either, this is 2012 fix your vocabulary.

-- Posted by Observations and Thoughts on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 6:23 PM

There's nothing funny about your attacks. So you belong to the Gay and lesbian club at SEMO? I now see were you get your insulting mouth your momma should have slapped a few times.

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 7:23 PM

Oh, Boy...too bad this isn't face to face.

-- Posted by dchannes on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 6:31 PM

Just a wimp hiding behind a screen.

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 7:24 PM

""Bernie Madoff's insight into the financial jungle was respected and trusted by many more persons than not."

Madoff was a Democrat. Get it?

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 7:32 PM

Just a wimp hiding behind a screen.

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U

Don't I know it?

Real brave, talking trash people who aren't looking him in the eye. Very impressive.

Sounds like he needs his diaper changed. He's full...I can cyber-smell it.

What a coward.

-- Posted by dchannes on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 7:41 PM

Yep, the gang's all here. Pick, pick, pick. And Dug, I find you especially funny (and weak).

-- Posted by Username1 on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 7:57 PM

In just tried to catch up on this thread. With a quick scan and not reading all the comments it would seem that when it becomes obvious the lib- progessive side has no substance past constant BS it is time to accuse the conservatives that bring the winning arguements of being just what you are..constant BS.

-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 8:10 PM

Yep, the gang's all here. Pick, pick, pick. And Dug, I find you especially funny (and weak). -- Posted by username1 on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 7:57 PM

Sorry to get under your skin. It's obvious. And you support homophobic people that bash gays? Hmmm..... Obama is going to kick you out of the party.

-- Posted by Dug on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 8:54 PM

The thing about these threads, people can lie through their teeth and think no one will know the difference. -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 8:15 PM

Exactly. Howdy got busted just this week claiming to have sons on one post then denying he had sons on another post. It's tough when you have so many sock puppets in threads you forget that you do/do not have children.

Not surprised with the Obama supporters.

-- Posted by Dug on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 8:56 PM

-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 9:12 PM

Thanks. If you tell the truth about things you can't get snared. Howdy's been attacking and spreading "mistruths" for some time. Busted.

Now we have a so-called democrat and Obama supporter who is bashing gays. Doesn't sound like an Obamanite to me. Curious he/she is anti-gay.

Then last week we have Spaniard saying if Obama knew ahead of time that the attacks on our ambassador were coming then Obama should be impeached. After the evidence was clear, Spaniard said "Impeach Obama".

Again - oh what a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive!

I'm curious where all the name-caller bashers are. Theo is always on the hunt for people that name call. Me'Lange is always on the hunt for bullies. Where are they?

-- Posted by Dug on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 9:17 PM

Wheels, I have it from a good source Theorist is on sabatical studying the history of St. Louis. Me'Lange was spotted in her green cargo pants planting daffadiles and tulips while practicing a dance routine of tip toeing throught the garden. ;)

-- Posted by Old John on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 9:41 PM

Where are they?

-- Posted by Dug on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 9:17 PM

Past their bedtime. Thinking of that I have some liberals to skin tomorrow and gotta get some rest. Good night.

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 10:01 PM

-chuckle- :)

-- Posted by dchannes on Tue, Oct 2, 2012, at 10:17 PM

Documents from the Obama administration have been leaked and Bob Woodward (Wash Post reporter on Watergate/Nixon) has copies. The Obama administration - and Obama in his own words - will be cutting medicare $250 BILLION dollars if he is re-elected. Yet on the campaign trail they say "We won't cut medicare". The story out today:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppa...

-- Posted by Dug on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 9:42 AM

Obama, in his own words above, said: "We will cut $250 billion from medicare" - he is either a "right wing purveyor" or you are a "left wing spinner". Take your pick.

-- Posted by Dug on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 10:15 AM

Sometimes it is much more entertaining to sit back. -- Posted by Observations and Thoughts on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 10:03 AM

Run out of anti-gay slurs? And posting isn't "sitting back" - I'd do the same if I was outed like you were yesterday...

-- Posted by Dug on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 10:17 AM

I guess that would make you Chief of the chumps then.

-- Posted by dchannes on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 10:26 AM

and what makes you think mormons are so high, mighty, and honest. If you believe that to be true, you really are dumber than 2 bags of rocks. come on man!

-- Posted by kcknown on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 2:14 PM

I would ask a penny for your thoughts but you are obviously broke .

-- Posted by Rɨck on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 1:23 PM

Having a bad day Rick?

-- Posted by Username1 on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 7:04 PM

If you continue to make it personal prepare for larger salvos in return. I can be much more definitive without encroaching on the boundaries of this site.

-- Posted by Observations and Thoughts on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 3:13

I think you did find the boundaries. It didn't take wheels and Rick very long.

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 7:31 PM

wow - what a bunch of crap you guys have unloaded again today. Most people don't post here anymore, because you are jerks (and they've tried to tell you). It's not because of your great wisdom or that you've proved a point. You act like schoolyard bullies puffing each other up and attacking those who have a different point of view. None of you can stand alone and you all wallow in each others talking points and look foolish while doing it. People have stopped posting, because you are a waste of their time.

-- Posted by Username1 on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 7:52 PM

People have stopped posting, because you are a waste of their time. -- Posted by username1 on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 7:52 PM

Apparently not a waste of your time. You disparage people that post here, then you whine and you post! Get a mirror.

-- Posted by Dug on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 7:58 PM

Apparently not a waste of your time.

-- Posted by Dug on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 7:58 PM

I've been here from the beginning and have refused to let dumba$$e$ like you run me off.

-- Posted by Username1 on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 8:02 PM

-- Posted by username1 on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 7:52 PM

Are you mad because your friend couldn't stand the heat? Do you think O&T was not a jerk? Do you think talking about people wearing diapers and wetting themselves is not going over the line?

Why do you think Liberal radio can't support itself? Because the people get tired of the constant whining of the left instead of constructive criticism. There is a difference. Some people realize the liberal agenda is a pipe dream and know it won't work. It will only break this country the same way it broke Russia.

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 8:16 PM

I'm not mad, I'm frustrated by a bunch of gang of guys who have hijacked a once interesting forum and driven away people who used to post here. You all offer nothing new, but just repeat each others talking points. You've reduced this place to nothing.

-- Posted by Username1 on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 8:25 PM

I'm not mad, I'm frustrated by a bunch of guys who have hijacked a once interesting forum and driven away people who used to post here. You offer nothing new, but just repeat each others talking points. You've reduced this place to nothing.

-- Posted by Username1 on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 8:27 PM

I continue to find this forum very entertaining.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 8:28 PM

I've been here from the beginning and have refused to let dumba$$e$ like you run me off. -- Posted by username1 on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 8:02 PM

Then quit whining...

-- Posted by Dug on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 8:37 PM

There you go again Dug. Someone makes a comment and you call it whining. That's why I called you a dumba$$, probaby should have said smarta$$. Either way, it's you. If you want to call that a whine - go ahead. LOL

-- Posted by Username1 on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 8:43 PM

Very entertaining indeed.

-- Posted by FreedomFadingFast on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 8:57 PM

-- Posted by username1 on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 8:27 PM

I've been here for years and it is the same as it was then. The thing you may be missing are some of the posters that come and go. One was cruelly outed by one of the liberal posters. She passed away about a year ago. I knew her personally.

It's hard to find liberals on here because they would rather do other things like watch reality TV than find out what is really happening. It saddens me that so many on the poll (42%) said they will not watch the debates. I heard the same thing from 2 of the liberals on this board. Watching a live debate keeps the media from having the opportunity to spin what was said.

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 8:59 PM

Regret, nice try, but I remember Babe outed herself first (she got mad and lost it - I saw it) and she pushed plenty of buttons.

Blah, blah, blah, on your liberal bashing. Same stuff that the rest of your gang blows every day. BTW - I know plenty of conservatives that aren't watching tonight. I have no idea what they are doing.

-- Posted by Username1 on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 9:10 PM

"because you are jerks"

-- Posted by username1 on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 7:52 PM

She is a school teacher you know. Doesn't it warm your heart to hear someone who works with impressionable young minds speak this way?

-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 9:08 PM

I am a school teacher and I know what a jerk is. You are one. Nice attempt to try putting me in my place, but times have changed and women and teachers have rights, just as you do, to voice an opinion. Like you, I call 'em like I see 'em. Do you talk as nasty in front of your grandchildren as you do here? Are you a smarta$$ to them? Do you belittle them? I think you have a cold, heart, and a closed mind judging by what you write here.

Wheels, a teacher knows what happens at home, because children tell your secrets. I've had to deal with jerks before.

-- Posted by Username1 on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 9:24 PM

A teacher - an adult I would assume - that calls others names like smarta$$ and dumba$$??? If you're a teacher, you act like a kid on the grade school play ground.

I'm shocked.

-- Posted by Dug on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 9:27 PM

-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 9:13 PM

Most of your gang have changed their names too (I remember), but it doesn't bother me. However, I haven't seen you ask them those same questions. Wonder why it bothers you that I have.

-- Posted by Username1 on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 9:39 PM

Really Dug, get over yourself - you're one of the bully gang members.

-- Posted by Username1 on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 9:44 PM

Really Dug, get over yourself - you're one of the bully gang members. -- Posted by username1 on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 9:44 PM

Put your money where your mouth is. You called me names. Where did I call you one? You liberals, always trash talking and then accusing others of what you do.

You wouldn't know a bully if it bit you in the behind.

-- Posted by Dug on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 9:47 PM

LOL - shocked, shocked I say!!!!!! And yes Dug, I'm a teacher and that's why I know how school yard bullies act. It's nice to be able to call them as I seem them (dumba$$es and smarta$$es). Something I can't do at school. But I know what you are, because your kids tell me.

-- Posted by Username1 on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 9:53 PM

My kids??? You are now claiming to know who I am? And you teach? Are your kids singing the "I love Obama" songs each morning? Cursing on a web site. Now I know what is wrong with educators.

-- Posted by Dug on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 9:59 PM

Wonder how Caddy is going to spin that tomorrow? -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 10:02 PM

Romney is racist. That's all they have.

-- Posted by Dug on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 10:15 PM

I'm just shocked that a teacher goes on a thread and calls people names. I've seen teachers like that in videos that act like schoolyard kids. I think I've found a real one here. I just don't understand what they are thinking when they say stuff like that.

-- Posted by Dug on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 10:22 PM

Wheels, not only did Obama "get his butt kicked tonight," but also did some of the liberal mainstream "journalists." Some of them seemed a bit worried particularly Chris Matthews of MSNBC who was almost incoherent. But of course that's just my personal opinion, kinda.

-- Posted by voyager on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 10:37 PM

Wheels, a thrill, yes, but I am not sure about his leg or what other part of his anatomy.

On the other thread you have been assigned penance.

-- Posted by voyager on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 10:50 PM

OH aslright, if you must. Just don't tell anhyone else the truth...like a Liberal would do.

-- Posted by voyager on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 11:02 PM

I was happy to see Romney be the person he appeared to be. Thank god we get to see them live instead of seeing the spin the next morning liberal or conservative.

Romney busted Obama on his lies several times but nailed him on his "repeat it until it's true" style about the $5 trillion tax cut lie and then Obama said it again. Geez......

I bet the CBS morning crew are at their desks already. It's gonna be a long night for the liberal media to somehow spin this around before America wakes up.

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 11:06 PM

You have been playing hooky Voy.

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 11:08 PM

I was waiting for this one. This banter between the talking heads was settled tonight. He showed some true color that we have been missing for a long time. Romney had the numbers to back up his statements instead of talking points with no basis.

I was listening to the Allen Colmes show and I couldn't believe what people were saying like Romney sounded stupid and he was being racist to Obama. Racist?

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 11:36 PM

Regrets, haven't had too much to say lately. But I read regularly and appreciate you and Wheels doing magnificent battle with the Liberal element.

Did you two get the impression that Romney made surgical incisions before Obama realizede he had been knifed and diced? Did you observe that whenever Romney spoke, he looked straight at Obama. But when Obama spoke, he seemed to look away in the direction of Michele? Curious body language.

-- Posted by voyager on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 11:45 PM

Wheels, I'm not your "sweetie". And I didn't call a student a jerk - that is what I called you. Do you think I'm trying to be a professional here? Why should I, I'm not at school and have no need to act like I am. I'm doing what you say you do, call 'em as I see 'em. And I'm not bothered by what you think of me - never have been. Another thing, you're full of it when you excuse some of name changes and try to make a big deal of mine. Again, your problem, not mine. And BTW sweetie, your real name isn't Wheels.

-- Posted by Username1 on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 11:59 PM

Oh, Dug - you're hopeless. Shocked!!!

-- Posted by Username1 on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 12:26 AM

Regrets,

Romney kind of took the gloves off tonight.

-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 11:09 PM

Wow - Romeny backtracked on everything he's said for the last year - 5 weeks before the election. He's now concerned about the middle class, education and the pour (poor). The teaparty just got dunked. How's he going to explain that in the morning?

-- Posted by Username1 on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 12:32 AM

Wow this forum has a gang now? I just made it in the possee. Gotta start all over now.

-- Posted by Mowrangler on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 6:40 AM

Wow - Romeny backtracked on everything he's said for the last year - 5 weeks before the election. -- Posted by username1 on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 12:32 AM

Close your eyes and imagine... for a few seconds... what it would be like if you turned off MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS... and ignored Obama campaign commercials... and actually LISTENED to what Romney says and has been saying - then you would know what he believes in.

You probably saw that last night for the first time because you've refused to listen to the man for the past year. I've been listening to him since '08 and wanted him over McCain. The truth will set you free.

-- Posted by Dug on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 6:44 AM

Nothing wrong about being the waterboy. After all they made a movie about him. Even though I never saw it.

-- Posted by Mowrangler on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 10:27 AM

O&T appears to be 'OUT'. Hmmmm wonder why?

-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 10:37 AM

O&T is gone. Posts included. Sure was a mad little lliberal.

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 8:54 PM

I'm sure someone else will take his place. After Obama's whupping last night O&T might have committed harry carry.

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 9:23 PM

I haven't explored the latest DNC talking points but suspect they will be saying Romney was flip flopping on what he has been saying. They're depending on the fact that most libs have never heard Romney except in sound bytes from MSNBC.

-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 9:46 PM

Boortz said he was waiting for Obama to jump over and bite part of Romney's ear off.

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Thu, Oct 4, 2012, at 10:05 PM

It seems to me the answer to the deficit problem lies not in tax increases but in spending cuts.

Therein rests the problem.

It is easier to pass a tax increase (which is nothing more than additional money confuscation of people's weath).

It is far more difficult to enact spending cuts because some entitlements will be taken away from constitutiants. That means losing votes which means losing power...which will never do!

So where is the real bravery going to come from, pray tell?

-- Posted by voyager on Sat, Oct 6, 2012, at 10:22 AM

Wheels, you and I, including certain others, are Classical Liberals. That is before the "Progressive" reactionaries corrupted the term. There is nothing Liberal about using the law to forceably take another's substance against his will. In essence this is precisely what the modern so-caslled Liberal does.

Think about it, select any issue in which they involve themselves and you will observe the club, veiled as it may be, as the ultimate argument.

There is only one means by which mankind may live with one another. That is by contract which may be defined as any undertaking entered into by two or more people by mutual agreememt and consent to mutual advantage.

-- Posted by voyager on Sat, Oct 6, 2012, at 11:02 AM

I hear the Obama campaign has recently raised a record breaking amount of money.

Wonder what Soros' next task for Obama will be.

-- Posted by Old John on Sat, Oct 6, 2012, at 1:14 PM

I hear the Obama campaign has recently raised a record breaking amount of money. -- Posted by Old John on Sat, Oct 6, 2012, at 1:14 PM

Yes - the record amount of money was raised in September. And only 2% of it had sources identified in the filing.

"Vlad" and the other communists around the world are pushing hard for Obama.

-- Posted by Dug on Sun, Oct 7, 2012, at 11:28 AM

Obama famously told Matt Lauer, "One nice thing about the situation I find myself in is that I will be held accountable. You know, I've got four years...If I don't have this done in three years, then there's going to be a one-term proposition."

-- Posted by Dug on Sun, Oct 7, 2012, at 7:15 PM

"It seems to me the answer to the deficit problem lies not in tax increases but in spending cuts."

If they TAKE all the assets of the wealthy they hate so much it will run the country 8 months. After they take it WHO is going to do the investing and pay those taxes? The middle class and poor?

These liberal better look at Spain and see if they really want to kill THEIR golden goose.

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Sun, Oct 7, 2012, at 7:59 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfjNNBfRm...!

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Sun, Oct 7, 2012, at 9:49 PM

More damming evidence on the attacks in Benghazi. A Lt. Colonel will be testifying that the staff in Benghazi requested additional security continually right up to the final (of many) attacks on the embassy. This Lt. Colonel was told to leave in August and warned repeatedly of conditions in Libya. He will testify this week before congress. The story and his statements to CBS:

http://keyetv.com/news/top-stories/stori...

-- Posted by Dug on Mon, Oct 8, 2012, at 9:31 AM

Good one, Rɨck.

-- Posted by dchannes on Mon, Oct 8, 2012, at 3:35 PM

"Now, as the Washington Post's Glenn Kessler points out in his fact checking column, for two years Romney has been campaigning on a tax cut that that would cost around $5 trillion over 10 years."

Not true. He has been campaigning on a programme of tax cuts and tax reforms that pundits say would cost $5 trillion. Mr. Romney has not advocated nor recognized the validity of that amount.

Mr. Obama says he is backtracking on what he said, but the reality is that he is only 'backtracking' on what they say he said, which is not the same thing.

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 1:56 PM

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/20...

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 2:06 PM

I think that one goes in the 'bullying' thread, as well...

-- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 4:05 PM

Rick

I think they are having a hard time defending Obama right now.

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 7:33 PM

Rick, they have had intellectual overload resulting in verbal short circuits.

In other words, when you aint got no answers, keep quiet and avoid exhibiting your ignorance.

-- Posted by voyager on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 9:26 PM

Apparently Obama has been sending form letters to the families of our military killed in action - for years. Computer signed form letters to loved ones that lost a family member serving our country.

He sent a personally written letter of condolence to rapper "Heavy D"'s family. How much more evidence do you liberals need to know this guy is an empty chair, cool, rapper-wannabe? The whole story:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/10/...

-- Posted by Dug on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 12:32 PM

Solyndra - $500+ million failed and 100's of lost jobs

African "green energy" project - $20+ million

A123 Systems - $249+ million failed and 100's of lost jobs

Chevy Volt "battery" division - closing in Michigan

More evidence of an administration that does not have a clue what they are doing. A PERFECT example of socialism / communism. Centralized planning of business by the government. The Soviet Union collapsed because of centralized state planning - forcing companies to make 200 red tractors every year when the demand was for only 75 a year (my words).

The latest to fail is A123 systems in Michigan. We have lost so much in taxpayer money yet Obama solution is to raise more taxes. The A123 story (and proposed purchase of the company by China) is below:

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121...

-- Posted by Dug on Tue, Oct 16, 2012, at 12:09 PM

Wheels: Simple, it is hard to defend failed policies first you got to have a record to stand on in order to win debates and re-election.

-- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Tue, Oct 16, 2012, at 5:14 PM

Wheels, I agree but with a little different take. Romney can not make even one mistake or he'll be declared the loser by the MSM...automatic.

I think if Obama gets mad at Romney again and attacks this time it could turn out somewhat bad for him if he over does it. But like I said, I think Romney has to have a perfect score also in order to "win".

-- Posted by dchannes on Tue, Oct 16, 2012, at 5:46 PM

Doug

Obama has been setting on $2.2 Billion that was earmarked for embassy security but he will not spend it. But he will give it away to be wasted by the green industry.

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Tue, Oct 16, 2012, at 6:47 PM

But he will give it away to be wasted by the green industry. -- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Tue, Oct 16, 2012, at 6:47 PM

And that is why common, spaniard, theo, donacita, etc. are not here anymore. As the layers of the Obama onion come off it get's uglier and uglier.

Common has been writing novels about tax increases all over these threads despite pointing out 100s of BILLIONS in waste and fraud - yet he continues to talk about taxing the so-called "rich". People have common sense and know that we waste and spend way more than we need to. Cut the spending first.

I'll be anxious to see how this debate goes...

-- Posted by Dug on Tue, Oct 16, 2012, at 6:54 PM

Wheels

I have become sympathetic of Hilary's man problems.

Between Clinton and now Obama I'm sure she hates men.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Dug

I will start popping the popcorn soon.

-- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Tue, Oct 16, 2012, at 7:01 PM

I read a couple of reports that said over $300 million tax payer dollars have been spent on Obama's campaign. I'd like to hear him answer to that.

>>>Having an early bourbon in order to get tuned up for the show.

-- Posted by dchannes on Tue, Oct 16, 2012, at 7:21 PM


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