Will he get a pardon after the heat dies down?
Wheels I doubt it but of course Bush commuted the sentence on Scooter Libby when all that bunch was in the executive branch, it all depends who has the largest envelope you know how it works out there in that town of both parties.
My thinking is that he may have been promised help for not singing by someone like that sleezebag who is now Mayor of Chicago. Is it Rom Emanuel I am thinking of? Or then he may have simply been promised that if he did sing he may wind up on the bottom of the river wearing concrete boots.
I definitely do not believe he acted totally alone. And if Emmanuel makes a promise, involved or not... Obama will come across.
I listened to O'Reilly tonight and he had the commedian turned Political Pundit, Dennis Miller on. Miller was trying to make the point that Blago got a pretty stiff sentence for doing no more than what most politicians in the Chicago area are getting away with on a daily basis. I think he has a point there.
I say pardon him, what good is prison, cant fight wars and feed inmates.
When you finally get a politician in prison, be sure to keep him there!
He got a pretty good sentence, he stepped on somebody toes in the Chicago mob he apparently didn't pass a big enough envelope to somebody. I understand Jesse Jackson Jr is also under investigation regarding this situation. Maybe old Rod will start talking once he is inside in order to try to get a lighter sentence. In my opinion he has done no worse than the rest of our corrupted system has done.
I don't see Blago singing, for either of two reasons... 1.) I think he is looking to be pardoned when the publicity dies down and 2.) He likes living, and is hoping for #1.
He will be lucky if he gets no worse in prison than to share a cell with a 6'6" "Bubba" with raging hormones.
Oreally always has the right answers'
No he won't get a pardon and I think the sentence is excessive.
Jeez! if we put all the lawmakers in this Country in prison for what Blago has been convicted of we would have but just a few lawmakers left. I believe this type of behavior exist on a regular basis and will continue. Yes, he got caught. I believe his sentence was extreme, considering that this has been happening on a regular basis for decades. JMO
Acronym: I agree with your comment.
This nation seems to have a class of people who feel this nation exists for their benefit. This class operates as if the laws do not apply to them. And I can not believe that when they are caught red-handed, prosecuted, and punished there are people who think the punishment is excessive.
This is, I believe, the third consecutive Illinois governor to be convicted of crimes in office. He actually thought he could sell the office of U.S. Senator for personal profit and get away with it! A stiff sentence is necessary in order to put an end to this culture of corruption.
Greywolf, you are correct in your statements but this is the reason we must severely punish ALL who are convicted of corruption while in office. This is supposed to be a nation of laws. NO ONE is to be above the law!
Wheels, it will be interesting to observe who is pardoned for what when Obama leaves office! It is a presidential tradition; the last opportunity for the 'leader' of this nation to pay off supporters.
He will be in prison at least long enough to set up a profitable book deal.
Maybe he can sell a prison interview with Barbara Wawa and give up some high ranking republican intrested in buying that senate seat. :)
Fourteen years? Why so little? Considering time off for good behavior and an asmplr fund of knowledge concerning the asctivities of others.
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 7:40 AM
I am pretty sure there are laws which prevent him from profiting through book deals, interviews etc.
Has nothing to do with O'Reilly... I was commenting on what his guest had to say.
Just curious as to why you think he wouldn't get a pardon. I tend to think he will. I do not believe there was not some complicity with others in the DNC over how to handle Obama's vacated position.
When Obama leaves office is when I think it would happen.
And I agree, it does seem like a pretty stiff sentence by the standards politicians seem to have set for their own transgressions. He is just one example of Chicago style politics.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 8:59
I simply don't think there is anyway it could be justified and don't believe President Obama is willing to take the heat.
I really don't think anyone can make the case that what Scooter Libby did and the actions of President Bush are even close to Blago and Obama.
I continue to think the sentence is too long.
He certainly got a much stiffer sentence than a local doctor's wife got for defrauding the govt out of hundreds of thousands of dollars. She got 5 years probation. He deserves to be behind bars, but I agree it is a little long.
I just remember the one Bill Clinton pardoned... cannot recall the name at the moment, but the evidence was there and the pardon still happened. It definitely wouldn't happen until Obama leaves office. If I am correct, then I hope Blago gets out in about 13 months from now. ;-)
I will also make another prediction... if indeed Blago were to be pardoned, as an Obama dying swan act... Common will write a 7 page essay justifying it.
His wife and brother had no part in any of this?
Is it a minimum security facility?
Wheels, Clinton pardoned a lot of folks for political reasons. Some of those were for his wifes's political reasons.
Agree, Old John. I think there should be a limitation on Presidential Powers to be able to do that. Not just Democratic Presidents.... all Presidents.
We have reached a point in history where politicians have no shame for the atrocities they commit. They simply smile and act like they are proud of it. And we their loyal subjects have to wince and take it.
Blago did not really deserve 14 years in my opinion, especially if you gauge it according to other politicians and even non-politicians. Hell you can commit murder and not receive that much time. By the same token... I don't feel sorry for the arrogant little shat.
There will be no pardon.
-- Posted by donacita on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 10:05 AM
You have your opinion, and I have mine.... time will tell.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 9:34 AM
I will try to put it delicately, but I don't think he has the stones.
Probably not Acronym, but his handlers do. ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺
You may very well be right. I have tried to be fair and didn't run Obama down for a long time as I wanted to give him time, but he has had enough time and I have no use for him, his wife or his dog; kids seem nice though.
I am not saying that I am any smarter than the next slug, but I had a bad feeling about him from early on his campaign. Too much promising etc.
Pretty much like you on your other assessments. I am afraid if I was married to his wife there would be a divorce in my future.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 1:13 PM
I didn't like him when he ran for the senate and sure didn't like him when he ran for the presidency. I just wanted to give him a chance and had been pretty disappointed in President Bush. There is no getting around that he faced a lot of challenges. I just don't think he was up to the task nor will he ever. I didn't like McCain much either though.
Ah, Wheels ... Always said if I were married to Bill Clinton, there would have been a divorce.
I suspect the non-divorces are/were due to ... politics more than anything else.
I'm trying to decide who to write in as president this coming election ... Wheels? Regret? Old J? Ummm ... with Theorist as VP?
I will probably write in Sarah Palin.
I saw a bumber sticker "Jack Sh*t for president". But maybe I would write in Bobby Jindal.
While concentrating on just the attempted 'selling' of a senate seat, aren't some ignoring or fotgetting that this wasn't the only thing Blago did wrong/was charged with?
Uh ... poking at me, Acronym? ~grinning~
Rod could start talking once he is in for awhile and receive a lighter sentence. He knows a lot on the rest of them Rod apparently stepped on somebodys toes.
Yeah, just a little.
Ronald Henderson Blackley
Bert Wayne Bolan
Jon Michael Burton - charged with heavy drug trafficking.
Gloria Libia Camargo
Charles F. Campbell
David Ronald Chandler - federal death row inmate.
Lau Ching Chin
Donald R. Clark
Loreta De-Ann Coffman
Linda Sue Evans
Loretta Sharon Fish
Antoinette M. Frink
Gerard A. Greenfield
Bob F. Griffin, former Speaker of the Missouri House of Representatives, who was serving two years on bribery charges.
Jodie E. Israel
Billy Thornton Langston Jr.
Vicki Lopez Lukis on November 21, 2000, former Lee County, FL Commissioner who was serving a 27-month sentence for honest services mail fraud. Her conviction was vacated on February 14, 2011.
Belinda Lynn Lumpkin
Peter MacDonald - Navajo Chairman, serving a 14-year sentence for fraud and racketeering convictions.
Kellie Ann Mann
Hugh Ricardo Padmore
Arnold Paul Prosperi - Florida attorney, tax fraud, managed Clinton's 1967 campaign for student-council president.
Melvin J. Reynolds - Democratic Congressman from Illinois - bank fraud and obstruction of justice
Pedro Miguel Riveiro
Dorothy Rivers - lead official in Jesse Jackson's Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, plead guilty to theft of $1.2 million in federal grant money.
Carlos Anibal Vignali - convicted of cocaine trafficking.
Thomas Wilson Waddell III
Kim Allen Willis
Verla Jean Allen (1990 false statements to an agency of the United States).
Nicholas M. Altiere (1983 importation of cocaine)
Bernice Ruth Altschul (1992 money laundering conspiracy)
Joe Anderson Jr. (1988 income tax evasion)
William Sterling Anderson (1987 defraudment of a financial institution, false statements to a financial institution, wire fraud)
Mansour Azizkhani (1984 false statements in bank loan applications)
Cleveland Victor Babin Jr. (1987 using the U.S. mail service to defraud)
Chris Harmon Bagley (1989 conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute cocaine)
Scott Lynn Bane (unlawful distribution of marijuana)
Thomas Cleveland Barber (issuing worthless checks)
Peggy Ann Bargon (violation of the Lacey Act, violation of the Bald Eagle Protection Act)
David Roscoe Blampied (possess with intent to distribute cocaine)
William Arthur Borders Jr. (conspiracy to corruptly solicit and accept money in return for influencing the official acts of a federal district court judge (Alcee L. Hastings), and to defraud the United States in connection with the performance of lawful government functions, corruptly influencing, obstructing, impeding and endeavoring to influence, obstruct and impede the due administration of justice, and aiding and abetting therein, and traveling interstate with intent to commit bribery)
Arthur David Borel (odometer rollback)
Douglas Charles Borel (odometer rollback)
George Thomas Brabham (making a false statement or report to a federally insured bank)
Almon Glenn Braswell (1983 mail fraud and perjury)
Leonard Browder (illegal dispensing of controlled substance and Medicaid fraud)
David Steven Brown (securities fraud and mail fraud)
Delores Caroylene Burleson, aka Delores Cox Burleson (possession of marijuana)
John H. Bustamante (wire fraud)
Mary Louise Campbell (unauthorized use and transfer of food stamps)
Eloida Candelaria (false information in registering to vote)
Dennis Sobrevinas Capili (filing false statements in alien registration)
Donna Denise Chambers (intent to distribute cocaine)
Douglas Eugene Chapman (bank fraud)
Ronald Keith Chapman (bank fraud)
Francisco Larois Chavez (aiding and abetting illegal entry of aliens)
Henry Cisneros (former HUD Secretary)
Roger Clinton, Jr. (cocaine charges, half-brother of President Bill Clinton) 
Stuart Harris Cohn (illegal sale of commodity options)
David Marc Cooper (conspiracy to defraud the government)
Ernest Harley Cox Jr. (defraud of federally insured savings and loan)
John F. Cross Jr. (embezzlement)
Rickey Lee Cunningham (intent to distribute marijuana)
Richard Anthony De Labio (mail fraud)
John Deutch (former Director of Central Intelligence Agency)
Richard Douglas (false statements to a government agent)
Edward Downe, Jr. (wire fraud, false income tax returns and securities fraud)
Marvin Dean Dudley (false statements)
Larry Lee Duncan
Galen R. Elmore (convicted of cattle theft)
Robert Clinton Fain
Marcos Arcenio Fernandez
Henry O. Flipper - guilty of "conduct unbecoming an officer" (1882)
William Dennis Fugazy
Lloyd Reid George
Rubye Lee Gordon
Robert Ivey Hamner
Samuel Price Handley
Woodie Randolph Handley
Jay Houston Harmon
David S. Herdlinger
Debi Rae Huckleberry
Warren C. Hultgren Jr.
Donald Ray James
Stanley Pruet Jobe
Ruben H. Johnson
James Howard Lake
June Louise Lewis
Salim Bonnor Lewis
John Leighton Lodwick
Jose Julio Luaces
James Timothy Maness
James Lowell Manning, (1982, aiding and assisting in the preparation of a false corporate income tax return)
John Robert Martin
Frank Ayala Martinez
Silvia Leticia Beltran Martinez
John Francis McCormick
Susan H. McDougal
Brook K. Mitchell Sr.
Samuel Loring Morison
Charles Wilfred Morgan III
Richard Anthony Nazzaro
Charlene Ann Nosenko
Vernon Raymond Obermeier
David C. Owen
Robert W. Palmer
Kelli Anne Perhosky
Richard H. Pezzopane
Orville Rex Phillips
Vinson Stewart Poling Jr.
James G. Powell
Norman Lyle Prouse - Former Captain for Northwest Airlines, imprisoned for flying while intoxicated.
Willie H.H. Pruitt Jr.
Danny Martin Pursley Sr.
Charles D. Ravenel
William Clyde Ray
Alfredo Luna Regalado
Ildefonso Reynes Ricafort
Howard Winfield Riddle
Richard Wilson Riley Jr. (Cocaine and marijuana charges, father was Clinton's Education Secretary) 
Samuel Lee Robbins
Joel Gonzales Rodriguez
Michael James Rogers
Anna Louise Ross
Dan Rostenkowski - former Democratic Congressman convicted in the Congressional Post Office scandal.
Gerald Glen Rust
Jerri Ann Rust
Bettye June Rutherford
Gregory Lee Sands
Albert A. Seretti Jr.
Patricia Campbell Hearst Shaw
Dennis Joseph Smith
Gerald Owen Smith
Stephen A. Smith
Jimmie Lee Speake
Charles Bernard Stewart
Marlena Francisca Stewart-Rollins
Fife Symington III - former Republican Arizona governor
Richard Lee Tannehill
Nicholas C. Tenaglia
Gary Allen Thomas
Larry Weldon Todd
Olga C. Trevino
Patricia A. Van De Weerd
Christopher V. Wade
Bill Wayne Warmath
Jack Kenneth Watson
Donna Lynn Webb
Donald William Wells
Robert H. Wendt
Jack L. Williams
Kavin Arthur Williams
Robert Michael Williams
Jimmie Lee Wilson
Thelma Louise Wingate
Mitchell Couey Wood
Warren Stannard Wood
Rick Allen Yale
Joseph A. Yasak
William Stanley Yingling
Phillip David Young
John Scott (not a full pardon)
Amy Ralston Pofahl (drug money laundering, distribution and manufacturing Ecstacy)
For what it's worth ... Why should any president be given the right to 'pardon' criminals anyway? Kind of seems like indicating that our judicial system didn't work?
-- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 3:03 PM
Mom.... play nice. ;-)
Aren' the President and Vice President from the same party in the last 100 years or so. Theorist and I definitely are not from the same party!!
I, too, believe Bogo stepped on the wrong toes and that was the reason they were determined to convict him on all charges. Chicago politics have ALWAYS been dirty and it is ALWAYS pay to play. Anyone that thinks otherwise needs to check out the voter registration to death certificate ratio. Its interesting how the mob had so much influence over southern Illinois, too. You crossed them, you paid a price. Not always with your physical life either. I use to live a couple of miles from one of the mobs relatives. He never had to worry about anyone crossing him, especially polititians. As far as Rahm is concerned, he didn't give up his job without assurance he was going to be the next mayor. Talk about pay to play....
Actually ... I think it would be great and entertaining fun to have Pres. Wheels & VP Theorist.
Lived in IL for 10 years ... My mother & a daughter still do. Yep ... IL politicians, for the most part, are ... um ... interesting to watch and speculate about.
Personally I support the right of a Governor or President to pardon. Yes, there have been and will be abuses, but for some who really deserve one, it is their only recourse to be able to lead a normal life.
Can governors grant clemency in federal convictions?
I don't believe the power to pardon should be eliminated, because there are deserving cases, but there should be some limitations. I don't know how you would set up the smell test... but obviously Bill Clinton passed it a few light years back when he was doing his political forgiveness game.
-- Posted by Old John on Fri, Dec 9, 2011, at 12:54 PM
No, only state convictions.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Dec 9, 2011, at 1:05 PM
I too would like to see more consistency. In MO, the Board of Probation and Parole assigns all Requests for Executive Clemency to a Field Officer to investigate. A recommendation as to suitability is sent to the Governor for action. Some governors are more inclined to grant or deny than others, so even though you may qualify, you may not get one.
In some states full rights can be restored by the sentencing court or a board of review.
"Question : Who has the power to pardon the President ."
The vice President when he takes over. If there is an election and another president is elected it is up to him. Better be nice to the competition. I'm just saying......
Acronym, Thanks for the reply. Didn't Clinton pardon some that were state charges? Roger Clinton's drug charge comes to mind.
-- Posted by Old John on Sat, Dec 10, 2011, at 12:20 AM
Did not Gerald Ford pardon Richard Nixon? September 8, 1974.
- Posted by stnmsn8 on Sat, Dec 10, 2011, at 9:12 AM
Posting a comment requires a subscription.