Speak Out: Blago Gets 14 Years

Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Dec 7, 2011, at 7:22 PM:

Will he get a pardon after the heat dies down?

Replies (49)

  • Wheels I doubt it but of course Bush commuted the sentence on Scooter Libby when all that bunch was in the executive branch, it all depends who has the largest envelope you know how it works out there in that town of both parties.

    -- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Wed, Dec 7, 2011, at 8:27 PM
  • Swamp,

    My thinking is that he may have been promised help for not singing by someone like that sleezebag who is now Mayor of Chicago. Is it Rom Emanuel I am thinking of? Or then he may have simply been promised that if he did sing he may wind up on the bottom of the river wearing concrete boots.

    I definitely do not believe he acted totally alone. And if Emmanuel makes a promise, involved or not... Obama will come across.

    I listened to O'Reilly tonight and he had the commedian turned Political Pundit, Dennis Miller on. Miller was trying to make the point that Blago got a pretty stiff sentence for doing no more than what most politicians in the Chicago area are getting away with on a daily basis. I think he has a point there.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Dec 7, 2011, at 8:39 PM
  • I say pardon him, what good is prison, cant fight wars and feed inmates.

    -- Posted by Dexterite1 on Wed, Dec 7, 2011, at 8:41 PM
  • I say pardon him, what good is prison, cant fight wars and feed inmates.

    -- Posted by Dexterite1 on Wed, Dec 7, 2011, at 8:41 PM
  • When you finally get a politician in prison, be sure to keep him there!

    -- Posted by Robert* on Wed, Dec 7, 2011, at 8:45 PM
  • He got a pretty good sentence, he stepped on somebody toes in the Chicago mob he apparently didn't pass a big enough envelope to somebody. I understand Jesse Jackson Jr is also under investigation regarding this situation. Maybe old Rod will start talking once he is inside in order to try to get a lighter sentence. In my opinion he has done no worse than the rest of our corrupted system has done.

    -- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Wed, Dec 7, 2011, at 8:49 PM
  • I don't see Blago singing, for either of two reasons... 1.) I think he is looking to be pardoned when the publicity dies down and 2.) He likes living, and is hoping for #1.

    He will be lucky if he gets no worse in prison than to share a cell with a 6'6" "Bubba" with raging hormones.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Dec 7, 2011, at 9:12 PM
  • Oreally always has the right answers'

    -- Posted by Dexterite1 on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 5:38 AM
  • No he won't get a pardon and I think the sentence is excessive.

    -- Posted by Acronym on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 5:53 AM
  • Jeez! if we put all the lawmakers in this Country in prison for what Blago has been convicted of we would have but just a few lawmakers left. I believe this type of behavior exist on a regular basis and will continue. Yes, he got caught. I believe his sentence was extreme, considering that this has been happening on a regular basis for decades. JMO

    -- Posted by GREYWOLF on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 5:53 AM
  • Acronym: I agree with your comment.

    -- Posted by donacita on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 6:07 AM
  • This nation seems to have a class of people who feel this nation exists for their benefit. This class operates as if the laws do not apply to them. And I can not believe that when they are caught red-handed, prosecuted, and punished there are people who think the punishment is excessive.

    This is, I believe, the third consecutive Illinois governor to be convicted of crimes in office. He actually thought he could sell the office of U.S. Senator for personal profit and get away with it! A stiff sentence is necessary in order to put an end to this culture of corruption.

    Greywolf, you are correct in your statements but this is the reason we must severely punish ALL who are convicted of corruption while in office. This is supposed to be a nation of laws. NO ONE is to be above the law!

    -- Posted by Robert* on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 6:36 AM
  • Wheels, it will be interesting to observe who is pardoned for what when Obama leaves office! It is a presidential tradition; the last opportunity for the 'leader' of this nation to pay off supporters.

    -- Posted by Robert* on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 6:39 AM
  • He will be in prison at least long enough to set up a profitable book deal.

    Maybe he can sell a prison interview with Barbara Wawa and give up some high ranking republican intrested in buying that senate seat. :)

    -- Posted by Old John on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 7:40 AM
  • Fourteen years? Why so little? Considering time off for good behavior and an asmplr fund of knowledge concerning the asctivities of others.

    -- Posted by voyager on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 7:54 AM
  • -- Posted by Old John on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 7:40 AM

    I am pretty sure there are laws which prevent him from profiting through book deals, interviews etc.

    -- Posted by Acronym on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 8:19 AM
  • Dexter,

    Has nothing to do with O'Reilly... I was commenting on what his guest had to say.

    Acronum,

    Just curious as to why you think he wouldn't get a pardon. I tend to think he will. I do not believe there was not some complicity with others in the DNC over how to handle Obama's vacated position.

    Stnmsn8,

    When Obama leaves office is when I think it would happen.

    And I agree, it does seem like a pretty stiff sentence by the standards politicians seem to have set for their own transgressions. He is just one example of Chicago style politics.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 8:59 AM
  • -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 8:59

    I simply don't think there is anyway it could be justified and don't believe President Obama is willing to take the heat.

    I really don't think anyone can make the case that what Scooter Libby did and the actions of President Bush are even close to Blago and Obama.

    I continue to think the sentence is too long.

    -- Posted by Acronym on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 9:08 AM
  • He certainly got a much stiffer sentence than a local doctor's wife got for defrauding the govt out of hundreds of thousands of dollars. She got 5 years probation. He deserves to be behind bars, but I agree it is a little long.

    -- Posted by howdydoody on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 9:26 AM
  • Acronym,

    I just remember the one Bill Clinton pardoned... cannot recall the name at the moment, but the evidence was there and the pardon still happened. It definitely wouldn't happen until Obama leaves office. If I am correct, then I hope Blago gets out in about 13 months from now. ;-)

    I will also make another prediction... if indeed Blago were to be pardoned, as an Obama dying swan act... Common will write a 7 page essay justifying it.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 9:34 AM
  • His wife and brother had no part in any of this?

    Is it a minimum security facility?

    Wheels, Clinton pardoned a lot of folks for political reasons. Some of those were for his wifes's political reasons.

    -- Posted by Old John on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 9:57 AM
  • Agree, Old John. I think there should be a limitation on Presidential Powers to be able to do that. Not just Democratic Presidents.... all Presidents.

    We have reached a point in history where politicians have no shame for the atrocities they commit. They simply smile and act like they are proud of it. And we their loyal subjects have to wince and take it.

    Blago did not really deserve 14 years in my opinion, especially if you gauge it according to other politicians and even non-politicians. Hell you can commit murder and not receive that much time. By the same token... I don't feel sorry for the arrogant little shat.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 10:05 AM
  • There will be no pardon.

    -- Posted by donacita on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 10:05 AM
  • There will be no pardon.

    -- Posted by donacita on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 10:05 AM

    You have your opinion, and I have mine.... time will tell.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 10:25 AM
  • -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 9:34 AM

    I will try to put it delicately, but I don't think he has the stones.

    -- Posted by Acronym on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 11:57 AM
  • Probably not Acronym, but his handlers do. ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 12:46 PM
  • You may very well be right. I have tried to be fair and didn't run Obama down for a long time as I wanted to give him time, but he has had enough time and I have no use for him, his wife or his dog; kids seem nice though.

    -- Posted by Acronym on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 12:53 PM
  • Acronym,

    I am not saying that I am any smarter than the next slug, but I had a bad feeling about him from early on his campaign. Too much promising etc.

    Pretty much like you on your other assessments. I am afraid if I was married to his wife there would be a divorce in my future.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 1:13 PM
  • -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 1:13 PM

    I didn't like him when he ran for the senate and sure didn't like him when he ran for the presidency. I just wanted to give him a chance and had been pretty disappointed in President Bush. There is no getting around that he faced a lot of challenges. I just don't think he was up to the task nor will he ever. I didn't like McCain much either though.

    -- Posted by Acronym on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 2:06 PM
  • Ah, Wheels ... Always said if I were married to Bill Clinton, there would have been a divorce.

    I suspect the non-divorces are/were due to ... politics more than anything else.

    I'm trying to decide who to write in as president this coming election ... Wheels? Regret? Old J? Ummm ... with Theorist as VP?

    -- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 3:03 PM
  • I will probably write in Sarah Palin.

    -- Posted by Acronym on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 3:06 PM
  • I saw a bumber sticker "Jack Sh*t for president". But maybe I would write in Bobby Jindal.

    -- Posted by Old John on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 3:15 PM
  • While concentrating on just the attempted 'selling' of a senate seat, aren't some ignoring or fotgetting that this wasn't the only thing Blago did wrong/was charged with?

    Uh ... poking at me, Acronym? ~grinning~

    -- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 3:25 PM
  • Rod could start talking once he is in for awhile and receive a lighter sentence. He knows a lot on the rest of them Rod apparently stepped on somebodys toes.

    -- Posted by swampeastmissouri on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 3:57 PM
  • Yeah, just a little.

    -- Posted by Acronym on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 4:04 PM
  • Clinton's pardons?

    Commutations

    Ronald Henderson Blackley

    Bert Wayne Bolan

    Jon Michael Burton - charged with heavy drug trafficking.

    Gloria Libia Camargo

    Charles F. Campbell

    David Ronald Chandler - federal death row inmate.[3]

    Lau Ching Chin

    Donald R. Clark

    Loreta De-Ann Coffman

    Derrick Curry

    Velinda Desalus

    Jacob Elbaum

    Linda Sue Evans

    Loretta Sharon Fish

    Antoinette M. Frink

    David Goldstein

    Gerard A. Greenfield

    Bob F. Griffin, former Speaker of the Missouri House of Representatives, who was serving two years on bribery charges.[4]

    Jodie E. Israel

    Kimberly Johnson

    Billy Thornton Langston Jr.

    Vicki Lopez Lukis on November 21, 2000, former Lee County, FL Commissioner who was serving a 27-month sentence for honest services mail fraud. Her conviction was vacated on February 14, 2011.

    Belinda Lynn Lumpkin

    Peter MacDonald - Navajo Chairman, serving a 14-year sentence for fraud and racketeering convictions.

    Kellie Ann Mann

    Peter Ninemire

    Hugh Ricardo Padmore

    Arnold Paul Prosperi - Florida attorney, tax fraud, managed Clinton's 1967 campaign for student-council president.[5]

    Melvin J. Reynolds - Democratic Congressman from Illinois - bank fraud and obstruction of justice

    Pedro Miguel Riveiro

    Dorothy Rivers - lead official in Jesse Jackson's Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, plead guilty to theft of $1.2 million in federal grant money.

    Susan Rosenberg

    Kalmen Stern

    Cory Stringfellow

    Carlos Anibal Vignali - convicted of cocaine trafficking.

    Thomas Wilson Waddell III

    Harvey Weining

    Kim Allen Willis

    Kemba Smith

    [edit] Pardons

    Verla Jean Allen (1990 false statements to an agency of the United States).[6]

    Nicholas M. Altiere (1983 importation of cocaine)

    Bernice Ruth Altschul (1992 money laundering conspiracy)

    Joe Anderson Jr. (1988 income tax evasion)

    William Sterling Anderson (1987 defraudment of a financial institution, false statements to a financial institution, wire fraud)

    Mansour Azizkhani (1984 false statements in bank loan applications)

    Cleveland Victor Babin Jr. (1987 using the U.S. mail service to defraud)

    Chris Harmon Bagley (1989 conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute cocaine)

    Scott Lynn Bane (unlawful distribution of marijuana)

    Thomas Cleveland Barber (issuing worthless checks)

    Peggy Ann Bargon (violation of the Lacey Act, violation of the Bald Eagle Protection Act)

    David Roscoe Blampied (possess with intent to distribute cocaine)

    William Arthur Borders Jr. (conspiracy to corruptly solicit and accept money in return for influencing the official acts of a federal district court judge (Alcee L. Hastings), and to defraud the United States in connection with the performance of lawful government functions, corruptly influencing, obstructing, impeding and endeavoring to influence, obstruct and impede the due administration of justice, and aiding and abetting therein, and traveling interstate with intent to commit bribery)

    Arthur David Borel (odometer rollback)

    Douglas Charles Borel (odometer rollback)

    George Thomas Brabham (making a false statement or report to a federally insured bank)

    Almon Glenn Braswell (1983 mail fraud and perjury)

    Leonard Browder (illegal dispensing of controlled substance and Medicaid fraud)

    David Steven Brown (securities fraud and mail fraud)

    Delores Caroylene Burleson, aka Delores Cox Burleson (possession of marijuana)

    John H. Bustamante (wire fraud)

    Mary Louise Campbell (unauthorized use and transfer of food stamps)

    Eloida Candelaria (false information in registering to vote)

    Dennis Sobrevinas Capili (filing false statements in alien registration)

    Donna Denise Chambers (intent to distribute cocaine)

    Douglas Eugene Chapman (bank fraud)

    Ronald Keith Chapman (bank fraud)

    Francisco Larois Chavez (aiding and abetting illegal entry of aliens)[citation needed]

    Henry Cisneros (former HUD Secretary)

    Roger Clinton, Jr. (cocaine charges, half-brother of President Bill Clinton) [5]

    Stuart Harris Cohn (illegal sale of commodity options)

    David Marc Cooper (conspiracy to defraud the government)

    Ernest Harley Cox Jr. (defraud of federally insured savings and loan)

    John F. Cross Jr. (embezzlement)

    Rickey Lee Cunningham (intent to distribute marijuana)

    Richard Anthony De Labio (mail fraud)

    John Deutch (former Director of Central Intelligence Agency)

    Richard Douglas (false statements to a government agent)

    Edward Downe, Jr. (wire fraud, false income tax returns and securities fraud)

    Marvin Dean Dudley (false statements)

    Larry Lee Duncan

    Galen R. Elmore (convicted of cattle theft)

    Robert Clinton Fain

    Marcos Arcenio Fernandez

    Alvarez Ferrouillet

    Henry O. Flipper - guilty of "conduct unbecoming an officer" (1882)

    William Dennis Fugazy

    Lloyd Reid George

    Louis Goldstein

    Rubye Lee Gordon

    Pincus Green

    Robert Ivey Hamner

    Samuel Price Handley

    Woodie Randolph Handley

    Jay Houston Harmon

    Rick Hendrick

    John Hummingson

    David S. Herdlinger

    Debi Rae Huckleberry

    Warren C. Hultgren Jr.

    Donald Ray James

    Stanley Pruet Jobe

    Ruben H. Johnson

    Linda Jones

    James Howard Lake

    June Louise Lewis

    Salim Bonnor Lewis

    John Leighton Lodwick

    Hildebrando Lopez

    Jose Julio Luaces

    James Timothy Maness

    James Lowell Manning, (1982, aiding and assisting in the preparation of a false corporate income tax return)

    John Robert Martin

    Frank Ayala Martinez

    Silvia Leticia Beltran Martinez

    John Francis McCormick

    Susan H. McDougal

    Howard Mechanic

    Brook K. Mitchell Sr.

    Samuel Loring Morison

    Charles Wilfred Morgan III

    Richard Anthony Nazzaro

    Charlene Ann Nosenko

    Vernon Raymond Obermeier

    Miguelina Ogalde

    David C. Owen

    Robert W. Palmer

    Kelli Anne Perhosky

    Richard H. Pezzopane

    Orville Rex Phillips

    Vinson Stewart Poling Jr.

    James G. Powell

    Norman Lyle Prouse - Former Captain for Northwest Airlines, imprisoned for flying while intoxicated.

    Willie H.H. Pruitt Jr.[7]

    Danny Martin Pursley Sr.

    Charles D. Ravenel

    William Clyde Ray

    Alfredo Luna Regalado

    Ildefonso Reynes Ricafort

    Marc Rich

    Howard Winfield Riddle

    Richard Wilson Riley Jr. (Cocaine and marijuana charges, father was Clinton's Education Secretary) [5]

    Samuel Lee Robbins

    Joel Gonzales Rodriguez

    Michael James Rogers

    Anna Louise Ross

    Dan Rostenkowski - former Democratic Congressman convicted in the Congressional Post Office scandal.

    Gerald Glen Rust

    Jerri Ann Rust

    Bettye June Rutherford

    Gregory Lee Sands

    Al Schwimmer

    Albert A. Seretti Jr.

    Patricia Campbell Hearst Shaw

    Dennis Joseph Smith

    Gerald Owen Smith

    Stephen A. Smith

    Jimmie Lee Speake

    Charles Bernard Stewart

    Marlena Francisca Stewart-Rollins

    Fife Symington III - former Republican Arizona governor

    Richard Lee Tannehill

    Nicholas C. Tenaglia

    Gary Allen Thomas

    Larry Weldon Todd

    Olga C. Trevino

    Ignatious Vamvouklis

    Patricia A. Van De Weerd

    Christopher V. Wade

    Bill Wayne Warmath

    Jack Kenneth Watson

    Donna Lynn Webb

    Donald William Wells

    Robert H. Wendt

    Jack L. Williams

    Kavin Arthur Williams

    Robert Michael Williams

    Jimmie Lee Wilson

    Thelma Louise Wingate

    Mitchell Couey Wood

    Warren Stannard Wood

    Dewey Worthey

    Rick Allen Yale

    Joseph A. Yasak

    William Stanley Yingling

    Phillip David Young

    Keith Sanders

    Darren Muci

    John Scott (not a full pardon)

    Amy Ralston Pofahl (drug money laundering, distribution and manufacturing Ecstacy)

    -- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 5:51 PM
  • For what it's worth ... Why should any president be given the right to 'pardon' criminals anyway? Kind of seems like indicating that our judicial system didn't work?

    -- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 7:42 PM
  • I'm trying to decide who to write in as president this coming election ... Wheels? Regret? Old J? Ummm ... with Theorist as VP?

    -- Posted by gurusmom on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 3:03 PM

    Mom.... play nice. ;-)

    Aren' the President and Vice President from the same party in the last 100 years or so. Theorist and I definitely are not from the same party!!

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Dec 8, 2011, at 11:16 PM
  • I, too, believe Bogo stepped on the wrong toes and that was the reason they were determined to convict him on all charges. Chicago politics have ALWAYS been dirty and it is ALWAYS pay to play. Anyone that thinks otherwise needs to check out the voter registration to death certificate ratio. Its interesting how the mob had so much influence over southern Illinois, too. You crossed them, you paid a price. Not always with your physical life either. I use to live a couple of miles from one of the mobs relatives. He never had to worry about anyone crossing him, especially polititians. As far as Rahm is concerned, he didn't give up his job without assurance he was going to be the next mayor. Talk about pay to play....

    -- Posted by LiveAnotherDay on Fri, Dec 9, 2011, at 12:14 AM
  • Actually ... I think it would be great and entertaining fun to have Pres. Wheels & VP Theorist.

    Lived in IL for 10 years ... My mother & a daughter still do. Yep ... IL politicians, for the most part, are ... um ... interesting to watch and speculate about.

    -- Posted by gurusmom on Fri, Dec 9, 2011, at 1:15 AM
  • Personally I support the right of a Governor or President to pardon. Yes, there have been and will be abuses, but for some who really deserve one, it is their only recourse to be able to lead a normal life.

    -- Posted by Acronym on Fri, Dec 9, 2011, at 12:33 PM
  • Can governors grant clemency in federal convictions?

    -- Posted by Old John on Fri, Dec 9, 2011, at 12:54 PM
  • Acronym,

    I don't believe the power to pardon should be eliminated, because there are deserving cases, but there should be some limitations. I don't know how you would set up the smell test... but obviously Bill Clinton passed it a few light years back when he was doing his political forgiveness game.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Dec 9, 2011, at 1:05 PM
  • -- Posted by Old John on Fri, Dec 9, 2011, at 12:54 PM

    No, only state convictions.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Fri, Dec 9, 2011, at 1:05 PM

    I too would like to see more consistency. In MO, the Board of Probation and Parole assigns all Requests for Executive Clemency to a Field Officer to investigate. A recommendation as to suitability is sent to the Governor for action. Some governors are more inclined to grant or deny than others, so even though you may qualify, you may not get one.

    In some states full rights can be restored by the sentencing court or a board of review.

    -- Posted by Acronym on Fri, Dec 9, 2011, at 3:21 PM
  • "Question : Who has the power to pardon the President ."

    The vice President when he takes over. If there is an election and another president is elected it is up to him. Better be nice to the competition. I'm just saying......

    -- Posted by We Regret To Inform U on Fri, Dec 9, 2011, at 4:19 PM
  • Acronym, Thanks for the reply. Didn't Clinton pardon some that were state charges? Roger Clinton's drug charge comes to mind.

    -- Posted by Old John on Sat, Dec 10, 2011, at 12:20 AM
  • -- Posted by Old John on Sat, Dec 10, 2011, at 12:20 AM

    http://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardon_instructions.htm

    -- Posted by Acronym on Sat, Dec 10, 2011, at 5:44 AM
  • Acronym,

    Did not Gerald Ford pardon Richard Nixon? September 8, 1974.

    -- Posted by Robert* on Sat, Dec 10, 2011, at 9:12 AM
  • - Posted by stnmsn8 on Sat, Dec 10, 2011, at 9:12 AM

    Yes: http://www.ford.utexas.edu/library/speeches/740061.htm

    -- Posted by Acronym on Sat, Dec 10, 2011, at 9:24 AM

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