Speak Out: "The amount of steel in His spine"

Posted by Old John on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 10:26 PM:

Are we to find out about the amount of steel Joe Biden spoke about?

Who will test the amount of steel in His spine?

Will it be North Korea vs South Korea, China vs Formosa, Iran vs Israel, Russia vs Georgia or Americans vs Americans?

I'm sure I left out some, you tell me.

Replies (37)

  • Could I say.... If he has steel in his spine, it certainly does not appear to slow him down much on his airplane travel?

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Tue, Nov 23, 2010, at 10:31 PM
  • OJ,

    All of the above.

    Wheels,

    VP Biden, like most of the ruling elite, are exempt from Porn-o-Scanners and testicle checks. They all fly private anyhow.

    You would think that given all of the wealth that is generated by our dependence on foreign oil, and how terrorists are being financially supported by that wealth, that perhaps they could splurge a little and buy an old prop plane or something.

    -- Posted by Lumpy on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 8:56 AM
  • Steel? Doesn't someone mean bungee cord.

    -- Posted by voyager on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 9:13 AM
  • cadillacman

    Come on get with the program. Don't you realize that those people are now

    free and are moving in the right direction as a country. Never mind they did

    nothing to us or had WMD's. They are very happy to have lost so many of

    their fellow civilians to our military might. They are more than willing to

    be taken out by a drone because they may or may not be standing next to a

    high valued target. They love us over there and we are the only nation in

    the world that has gone to such extremes to help them. They rejoice in the

    streets anytime a wedding or party gets nailed by our missiles of love and

    peace. Get your head out of the sand and get on the same page. Geez we are the land of the free and home of the brave

    -- Posted by sweet dog on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 9:44 AM
  • Spaniard

    I did not see that interview but caught one with candi crowley on CNN. Just like u I was floored by his answers. Yeah I feel safer. Try telling that to a 5 year old why Mr TSA man has to stick his hands down your pants because mommy wont let you go through the body scanner that the former homeland security head is now CEO of. Oh and your kiids pictures will be real safe as well.

    If other groups did what we do overseas it is called terrorism. For us it is called foreign policy.

    -- Posted by sweet dog on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 10:19 AM
  • I expect to hear from the Harry S Truman peanut gallery. His intervention in Korea is about to flair up and bite us in the *** 60+ years later.

    -- Posted by Lumpy on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 10:21 AM
  • Spaniard wrote:

    "Unbelievable. The idiot accepts ..."

    There you go with that word again.

    -- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 10:22 AM
  • Cadillacman

    My goodness settle down. My whole comment was meant as a sarcastic tribute to all those that are defending us going to war in the first place. Sorry to rub you wrong. I am with you on this. Next time I will put that I am saying this in a sarcastic way. Newbie mistake.

    -- Posted by sweet dog on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 10:37 AM
  • I must have missed the posts supporting the war, all I saw were those condemning it.

    -- Posted by Acronym on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 10:46 AM
  • Caddy is obviously a convert. His tone has changed. Now it is blast Bush. Up to know it has been... Obama knows, he'sthe man.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 10:56 AM
  • Lumpy

    I was just being sarcastic.

    -- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 11:00 AM
  • Spaniard, I just watched that interview again with special interest in what you write was his answer.

    You must have heard what you wanted to hear, not an answer to the question you thought you heard asked.

    Watch and hear the interview and think for yourself.

    -- Posted by Old John on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 11:03 AM
  • Here's the transcript of the Today interview: (It has not been edited to correct the spelling or punctuation)

    "but was dick chain pushing you to go to war in iraq ?

    >> it didn't matter if he was or not. i am the guy who makes the decisions and i wanted to give diplomat my a chance.

    >> he's still haunted by the fact that the intelligence turned out to be wrong, and weapons of mass destruction were not found in iraq.

    >> your words, no one was more sickened or angry than i was when we didn't find weapons of mass destruction . you still have a sickening feeling.

    >> i do.

    >> was there every a consideration of apologizing to the american people ?

    >> apologizing would mean that the decision was the wrong decision. i don't believe it was the wrong decision.

    >> if you know what you know now, you would still go to war in iraq ?

    >> i first of all didn't have that luxury. i will say definitely the world is better off without saddam hussein in power. as are 25 million people who now have a chance to live in freedom.

    >> in the summer of 2006 as iraq descended into chaos, he made the unpopular decision to send 20,000 additional troops in.

    >> what made you think that would be successful? give me your thinking on that?

    >> i wasn't sure what would be successful, but u knew what wasn't going to be successful.

    >> the reaction to the surge immediately, one critic called it the most dangerous decision since vietnam. how hard a decision was the surge for you, where does it rank?

    >> it was a very difficult decision. made easier by the fact that i had met with many families of the fallen who said to me, do not let my loved ones sacrifice go in vain and i really didn't care about popularity. everybody wants to be liked, but as the commander in chief, i was more interested in success than my personal popularity.

    >> you said that history is not ready to judge you yet.

    >> that's right.

    >> it's going to take time.

    >> true.

    >> when it does come about, president bush , do you think you'll be judged a judge says or a failure?

    >> i hope a success f i'm going to be dead when they figure it out. i'm comfortable knowing that i gave it my all and i love america"

    -- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 11:12 AM
  • If this time we do see war escalate...

    I hope we don't have another McArthur making things worse.

    -- Posted by lumbrgfktr on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 11:15 AM
  • -- Posted by Spaniard on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 10:09 AM

    Getting rid of Sadam was just. And a majority of the country is happy he is gone. As does most of the Middle East thought they will never admit it publicly.

    The problem was we sold it wrong. We used the stupid idea of "weapons of mass destruction" instead of actully what it was. An evil Hitler-esque dictator who needed to be removed.

    -- Posted by lumbrgfktr on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 11:18 AM
  • Lumbrgfktr wrote:

    "If this time we do see war escalate...

    I hope we don't have another McArthur making things worse."

    Are you talking about 'Dugout Doug'? You're not supposed to badmouth America's icons in that manner...

    -- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 11:22 AM
  • Spaniard:

    He did not say what you said he said. Yet you called him an 'idiot' for saying it...

    He made the decision based on the available information. The information proved not to be factual, but that does not make the decision a wrong one.

    -- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 11:40 AM
  • -- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 11:22 AM

    I hold Truman in a higher regaurd who had to fire him before he started War III. Truman wanted to keep china out of the Korean War, McArthur wanted and all out war with Korea, China and Russia.

    -- Posted by lumbrgfktr on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 11:45 AM
  • If it was truly just, it wouldn't have needed selling (misleading and hyping).

    There are number of regimes in the world that are nasty and mean. It is not our job to take them all out. Why not regime change in Sudan, Burma, North Korea, Iran?

    -- Posted by Spaniard on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 11:40 AM

    I agree on the number of regimes. But I disagree. I think as the world's last superpower we do have a larger responsibility. Too bad the UN is full of wusses.

    -- Posted by lumbrgfktr on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 11:46 AM
  • I agree on the number of regimes. But I disagree. I think as the world's last superpower we do have a larger responsibility. Too bad the UN is full of wusses.

    -- Posted by lumbrgfktr on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 11:46 AM

    Worlds last superpower. Try looking over to the far east and there is this small country by the name if China that is evolving into the next last superpower. They will soon be not only the largest exporter but consumer nation. Along with that comes the ability to expand their military in ways that will challenge us greatly. They control 95% of the worlds rare earth minerals. You know the ones we use on our smart weapons and aircraft. Shut off the pipeline and divert that to domestic use and what will we do? The capabilties already are making those in the pentagon nervous. Just earlier this year one of their subs popped up in the middle of our carrier groups undetected. Then you have the little issue of who fired that large missile 35 miles off the coast of LA from an aquatic platform. China is where it is going to be happening.

    -- Posted by sweet dog on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 12:11 PM
  • WMD's was only one aspect of the reasons for going to war. President Bush laid all this out in his speech to the United Nations, which basically spelled out his repeated violations of the terms of the cease-fire after the first (part of) the war during the presidency of Bush I.

    This has all been hashed out before. Those, such as yourself, that want to believe it was all about WMD's will not be deterred in their belief, and those of us who see differently will continue to do so.

    What I find fascinating is your willingness to use every opportunity to impugn the character of President Bush with this. As I've shown, you have to put words in the mouth of the President which are not his own in order to continue this endeavor. I have to ask why is it so important to you to continue to malign President Bush over his actions?

    -- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 12:23 PM
  • Spaniard, Have you forgotten that the majority of loudmouths in the democrat party were claiming there was a threat of WOMD?

    Sweet dog, Russia has the oil and natural gas.

    They are very good at spying and copying U.S. technology. The Chinese are very good at getting the technology the old fashoned way. They bribe and steal it. Together they would make the start of a dangerous new world order, imho.

    -- Posted by Old John on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 12:26 PM
  • Be careful Caddy. You'll be like Ms Velma.

    -- Posted by Mowrangler on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 12:26 PM
  • Have you considered enlisting to help your nation in this great responsibility?

    -- Posted by Spaniard on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 11:48 AM

    Its not that our hands are completely clean, but the problem isn't in our country, but in most of the "civilized" nations who profit off the regimes.

    -- Posted by lumbrgfktr on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 1:00 PM
  • -- Posted by sweet dog on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 12:11 PM

    Evolving into a superpower. Not a superpower.

    China is also faces a problem. With growth and prosperity comes learning and higher literacy rates. Makes it tough to control information that way.

    -- Posted by lumbrgfktr on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 1:01 PM
  • Indeed? You seem willing to give LBJ and JFK a pass. Why is that?

    -- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 3:24 PM
  • JFK instigated a coup and had the President of South Vietnam Murdered.

    -- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 3:41 PM
  • Spaniard wrote:

    "There were many reliable sources warning us that our intel was incorrect. There was much disagreement within our own intelligence agencies as to whether or not Iraq possessed WMD."

    There were also reliable sources telling us that the intel was correct. There was disagreement, which meant that a decision had to be made. A decision was made. That is the point of Mr. Bush's statement. He made a decision and he stands by it.

    That's what being a leader is about, making decisions. Character is about standing by them after their made, about not passing the buck when things turn against you. That is why President Bush was a leader.

    -- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 3:45 PM
  • Did JFK instigate or just give his verbal support to those in Vietnam that wanted to remain out of communist control?

    Did he order CIA to interfere?

    I understand some previously classified info is being released.

    -- Posted by Old John on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 4:08 PM
  • I guess I'm a stand up guy!

    Clinton was too busy with something else to deter the results of his weaking our intellegence.

    The dots were amassing toward a clear connected picture of things to come and he was concerned with shifting duties from State to Commerce as to further campaign contributions.

    Clinton allowed missile technology to be traded to the Chinese for that purpose.

    All the while he fired a couple of Tomahawks at an asprin factory just after turning down an offer to have Bin Laden in custody.

    The constant drone of the liberal progressive midset in several ongoing plots to do anything possible with media support to make Bush look bad proved distracting to all of American efforts to the general welfare of the country.

    -- Posted by Old John on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 4:38 PM
  • JFK, through the State Department, instigated the coup. My understanding is that the Defense Department was opposed to it, but the Diem was considered a problem, and 'regime change' was in order.

    It is known that the Generals that led the coup were given the 'green light' to go ahead. President Diem and his brother fled and sought sanctuary in a Catholic Church. They were lured out of the Church and into a U.S. Armoured Personnel Carrier, with a promise of safety. The were both shot with U.S. Weapons while inside that same U.S. armoured personnel carrier. That much is known. What happened inside the personnel carrier is less well known. All we have is the statments of those inside, which were revised at least twice before the 'official' statement was released.

    At first, they claimed Diem and his brother committed suicide inside the Church. This was too easily disproven. So other versions were tried until the 'official' one came out. What we don't know is whether the 'official' version is true or merely more believable.

    Here's a bit on the discussions at the White House prior to the coup:

    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB101/index.htm

    -- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 4:40 PM
  • Joe Wilson was the one who lied about the yellowcake deal. After Joe made his famous claim about how easily he disproved the 'yellowcake forgeries', he had to admit that he not only had not but could not have seen them at the time he claimed so.

    Joe Wilson's report from his trip to Nigeria actually supported the President's claim that Iraq had attempted to purchase Uranium, since Joe Wilson reported on the trade mission to Nigeria by Iraq's government. The 'yellowcake forgeries' attempted to show that an agreement had been made for such a purchase. The President never made any claim to that effect.

    ____

    The President cited the source of the intelligence upon which he made his decision. That is not blame casting, that is citing the source.

    With regards to 9/11, you are trying to hold the President accountable for the statements of others. Unless you have evidence that President Bush blamed it on President Clinton, I believe my statement on the President stands.

    -- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 4:49 PM
  • Spamiard, I just recently saw a report on those curve balls that said they were an optical illusion. Aluminum was not mentioned. :)

    Are you now relating Bush failures to Clinton Administration advice?

    -- Posted by Old John on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 5:52 PM
  • Here's what he said:

    "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

    There's no debunking it. It does not claim what the documents claim. However, according to the CIA, they did not base their report solely on the Britich intel, but also on the documents, which is why they backed off the claim. Nonetheless, the quote is consistent with the data, and with Mr. Wilson's report.

    http://www.factcheck.org/article222.html

    -- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 9:51 PM
  • Condoleeza Rice was speaking for Condoleeza Rice when she said that the Clinton administration did not leave them a comprehensive plan for dealing with bin Laden. Nor is that the same as 'blaming' the previous administration.

    President Bush never leveled such charges. as I've said, you're efforts to tar the former President seem continually to require the use of words that were not spoken by him.

    -- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Wed, Nov 24, 2010, at 10:01 PM
  • This may sound like wild conspiracy talk and I have no basis for it at all. I have always suspected Wilson's report along with the purposeful outing of his wife's occupation was aimed at discrediting high level officials of the Bush administration. I do not beleive it was intended to cause the invasion of Iraq.

    -- Posted by Old John on Thu, Nov 25, 2010, at 12:03 PM
  • Spaniard,

    No, I'm just tired of rehashing the old discussion, which has been heard repeatedly since about 2003.

    None of this has any impact on my statement that President Bush made a decision, and stood by that decision, as a leader should do. You've attempted to change the focus of the discussion to something else, which is an old and well-worn discussion of the evidence.

    -- Posted by Shapley Hunter on Thu, Nov 25, 2010, at 9:45 PM

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