Posted by FriendO on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 9:49 AM:
Accounts of threatening phone calls, Twitter feeds calling for assassination, faxes of nooses to representatives' offices.
Yesterday I read a story accounting human rights abuses in Burma by its dictatorship. Rape of children, mutilation, forced relocation. Children learning English had to be taught the concept of "fun" - they didn't know what it was. Theirs is tyranny in its purest form. I wonder when they implemented health care reform?
I spent some time in Cambodia, a country still reeling with fallout from the Khmer Rouge. One of the poorest nations on Earth, children there are lucky to reach adulthood. Leftover ordinance from their civil strife means farmers risk life & limb just to work - there is no safety net if a leg is blown off.
It's simply amazing to me that people can equate providing for poorest & sickest among us as "tyranny." If American "tyranny" means children & cancer patients are guaranteed private health insurance...then I am truly embarrassed for us as a nation.
Some people need to get a grip, and get some perspective. Answering the census questionnaire is not tyranny. Paying taxes is not tyranny. If health care reform is the "slippery slope" to totalitarianism then we have truly lost our minds.
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Good post, FriendO. Way to sum it up, can't say it much better myself.
-- Posted by almighty on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 10:00 AM
Probably those 13% Democrats that don't believe the Health Takeover bill was liberal enough. This is more out of the Alinsky playbook.
Modern-day liberals are so fond of nooses and Biblical references when making their points...or perhaps the conspiracy minded among us will claim that it's all a setup by the left...
-- Posted by FriendO on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 10:40 AM
"An apparent mob of vandals attacked the North Carolina Republican Party headquarters, causing minor smoke damage, breaking windows and leaving vulgar messages, police said." I don't remember a national panic over this, or over the bullet-riddled Bush/Cheney headquarters.
"In large part, the current focus on threats of violence is aimed at the tea partiers, just as they were accused, apparently falsely, of racism. It is not hard to understand the Democrats' motives; the tea parties are the most vital force, and likely the most popular force, in American politics, so smearing them is mandatory. But anyone who has attended a tea party rally will consider laughable the idea that the movement somehow tends toward violence. . . . The fact is that, unlike conservatives, modern liberals have had little quarrel with political violence. This is best demonstrated by their support for card check legislation, the entire point of which it to abolish the secret ballot so that union goons can use the threat of violence to extend union power and thereby enrich the Democratic Party. . . . The beating of Kenneth Gladrey by union goons--more specifically, the lack of any interest in it by anyone in the Democratic Party, the media, or on the Left generally--shows how hypocritical the Democrats' current pacifism is. If the day ever comes when conservative groups start hiring goons, we can take the liberals' purported fears of violence more seriously."
"A group of protestors stormed and then ransacked a Bush-Cheney headquarters building in Orlando, Fla., Tuesday, according to Local 6 News."
But those represented the righteous indignation of oppressed lefties, rather than the dangerous violence of nasty righties.
-- Posted by blogbudsman on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 10:57 AM
You have missed the point entirely.
-- Posted by FriendO on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 11:03 AM
Remember when Clinton left the White House and government computers were vandalized by some of his staff?
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 11:07 AM
WTF does that have to do with anything?
-- Posted by FriendO on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 11:10 AM
Blogbud. My 3-24-10 8:07 on another thread was an atempt to evoke sarcasm in reference to what you are saying. It seems to me when libs cry foul it is just after or before they themselves do the fouling.
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 11:11 AM
No one here seems to be able to respond to the topic at hand. Again I have overestimated the mental capacity of my target audience.
-- Posted by FriendO on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 11:15 AM
Perhaps you overestimated the clarity of your original post.
-- Posted by RA on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 11:23 AM
Freindo, I took it post was intended to make the point that as long as someone somewhere suffers, we should not worry about any infringement on our liberties and freedom by our government.
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 11:30 AM
No, I'm pretty sure no one other than Ike made it through the first 2 lines.
-- Posted by FriendO on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 11:31 AM
FriendO: I made it all the way through. Some can read. Some can comprehend. Unfortunately some posters on here cannot read and comprehend at the same time. Keep trying, though.
-- Posted by howdydoody on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 11:36 AM
Well I read all of it and I think you are making more of a stretch than those you are making comparisons.
-- Posted by RA on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 11:40 AM
Rick; Some of my ancestors worked, sweated, and died to keep the rest of my ancestors from raping and pillaging this land. Some have been fighting terrorism since 1492.
-- Posted by dave grincreeper on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 12:35 PM
WTF does that have to do with anything?
-- Posted by FriendO on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 11:10 AM
If you are directing that at me... I Was commenting to Blog.
Put it down as etc. (From the title of your thread)
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 12:41 PM
FriendO,
Appreciate your post.
You are not alone!
-- Posted by bargal on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 12:48 PM
FriendO,
Appreciate your post.
You are not alone!
-- Posted by bargal on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 12:48 PM
You are correct... he has a vocal minority with him. New names popping up all over the place.
-- Posted by Have_Wheels_Will_Travel on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 12:54 PM
I dont think anyone is saying that allowing some of our tax money to help those that can't help themselves or are sick and disabled to be tyranny.
The thing upsetting many is the way this so called health care agenda was rammed through the congress over the objections of so many.
The precedent set chips away at the protections of a check and balence system between central government, states and citizens that is crucial to maintaining our country as a representitve republic.
-- Posted by Old John on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 1:03 PM
good post!!,friendo
-- Posted by workingdude on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 1:24 PM
"You are correct... he has a vocal minority with him"
How sad that we who realize health care reform does not equal the end of the world, nor does it turn us into a totalitarian state worthy of rebellion, must be counted as the minority.
The slippery slope continues. What will they do next? Offer to send our children to college? The horror, the horror.
-- Posted by FriendO on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 1:56 PM
OJ,
I would agree with you if so many weren't so misinformed. A guy today asked me "if reform is so good, then how come Congress is opting out of it?" Opting out of what? Not being denied health insurance?
Other than the mandatory purchase of insurance...I don't see the problem. And my original point is that the overreaction by the right-slash-teabaggers, when put into perspective of, you know, ACTUAL tyranny going on in the world, is comical yet grotesque.
"The thing upsetting many is the way this so called health care agenda was rammed through the congress over the objections of so many."
Ours is not a direct democracy; I don't believe We the People have ever been asked to vote on bills directly, nor is there an effective method to ever quantify how many "many" is. We do have these things called elections, where the people voice their opinion, and unfortunately for "many", the last election just didn't go their way.
A majority party passing legislation it promised despite the objections of the minority party is not an affront to liberty.
-- Posted by FriendO on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 2:16 PM
Vandevan was right when he warned violance was coming. Why is anyone surprised when it arrives.
I've often wondered what were the last thoughts of those on the scaffold facing the guillotine's blade. A little late to think about it then.
-- Posted by voyager on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 2:21 PM
Our lives in America - so hard.
-- Posted by FriendO on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 2:22 PM
FriendO,
I understand that you support this legislation. Let's just put aside all of the debate on the contents of this bill for now. Really, who the **** knows what is in a two day old Federal law that regulates 350 million individuals in the brand of legal mumbo-jumbo that only the central government is capable of.
For a moment, let's just put aside the fact that no matter how many taxes and savings (notice that I didn't use the quotation marks? I did that for you.) this bill generates, that there is no way possible in the wide wide world of sports for either the taxes, or the projected savings to even begin to pay for these lofty, and in my opinion, impossible legislative objectives.
I want to divert from the talking points, and remind all of the posters on here that tend to lean Democrat that the political tactics that were used by your Party of choice to legalize this bill will be used by Republicans to pass unconstitutional legislation that will unfavorable to you.
And for all of the posters on here that lean Republican; your Party does not have the courage to repeal this legislation. IMO the Republcians are just as responsible as the Democrats are for getting us to this point in our country's history given all of the unconstitutional legislation that the GOP has supported in the past.
I don't buy any of this bullshit political posturing on the part of Republicans. Believe me, they will be running ads in the not so distant future claiming that their political opponents want to "cut your health care benefits".
Violence? Are you kidding me? There will be no debating "violence" whenever the working middle class realizes that they have traded their liberty for a handful of Monopoly money, some pizza, and a three day wait down at the local clinic.
-- Posted by Lumpy on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 4:42 PM
FriendO,
The acts you describe as tyranny I would call villainy, as in wicked or evil. Tyranny is to rule with absolute, autoritative power. Hitler was a villain who used tyranny to achieve prosperity for some at the expense of others. While I don't describe President Obama as a villian, oppressing one group to advance another through absolute authority certainly seems to fit. "The road to hell is paved with the best of intentions."
Additionally, this bill doesn't actually address the problems associated with health care reform, just health insurance reform. Much has already been posted elsewhere regarding that.
Ultimately it seems you suffer from the same lack of faith in your fellow man. There has long been a plethera of charitable organizations, churches, and local civic groups who are far better able to address the problems of assisting the poor and sick to get needed treatment than the federal bureaucracy ever can. Let them do there good works and the government to cease their excessive taxation so those who have can help them through bigger donations. It will take communities helping those in need in those communities and the capitalist desire for profit to solve these problems. That assumes of course that all illnesses have not already been cured and Big Pharma is just keeping it all under wraps in order to get more money from the sick, as I've often heard from Democratic conspirators.
-- Posted by non-biasedphilosopher on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 10:38 PM
I guess deep down, they truly support such thoughts themselves.
-- Posted by sateva on Thu, Mar 25, 2010, at 2:47 PM
A lot of guessing going on here. So regular folks that stand up for their freedoms and gather to express their feelings regarding losing their liberties are evil. Well that don't add up - except your motives. Listen to yourself.
-- Posted by blogbudsman on Fri, Mar 26, 2010, at 5:34 AM
Accounts of threatening phone calls, Twitter feeds calling for assassination, faxes of nooses to representatives' offices.
Yesterday I read a story accounting human rights abuses in Burma by its dictatorship. Rape of children, mutilation, forced relocation. Children learning English had to be taught the concept of "fun" - they didn't know what it was. Theirs is tyranny in its purest form. I wonder when they implemented health care reform?
I spent some time in Cambodia, a country still reeling with fallout from the Khmer Rouge. One of the poorest nations on Earth, children there are lucky to reach adulthood. Leftover ordinance from their civil strife means farmers risk life & limb just to work - there is no safety net if a leg is blown off.
It's simply amazing to me that people can equate providing for poorest & sickest among us as "tyranny." If American "tyranny" means children & cancer patients are guaranteed private health insurance...then I am truly embarrassed for us as a nation.
Some people need to get a grip, and get some perspective. Answering the census questionnaire is not tyranny. Paying taxes is not tyranny. If health care reform is the "slippery slope" to totalitarianism then we have truly lost our minds.
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